fury

[undone flower]

Cleave / prio / ST, flat profile

[olive wraith]

Sidearm is the st choice

[tardy hedge]

how u doing so much dmg with reap the storm? i just started playin my fury guy i m arround 680 ilvl so is there any conditions to blast it more?

[olive wraith]

4p?

[sterile dagger]

do u have 4set?

[tardy hedge]

yy

[ember solar]

i saw a video in floodgate where they were lower DPS in the massive first pull but then they catch up / surpass during smaller pulls?

so pretty good for pug routes generally?

[sterile dagger]

so in order to pump reap dmg -> u need start your pull with bladestorm

to get marks asap

[olive wraith]

Are you hitting bs on pull

[sterile dagger]

no marks = no reap

[tardy hedge]

if i dont start with pull bladestorm but after like 30 sec its bad?

[undone flower]

That’s the flat profile, we don’t burst

[sterile dagger]

yes

[olive wraith]

Read the 4p

[sterile dagger]

u send it straight away (assuming u enraged)

[olive wraith]

This is why OF feels good for a lot of players

Roar-of-bs

Very nice qol

[sterile dagger]

i mean ngl spear + of feels great

im feeling like roars gives literally nothing

[olive wraith]

Why spear lol

Extra bleee?

Bleed

[brittle crow]

damn i tried the odyns build

i never realized how much not having deft experience sucks ass

😭

[sterile dagger]

yeap

[sterile dagger]

just trying different variants

[olive wraith]

Roar is a lot easier to use. Plus it’ll be better for higher target counts

[sterile dagger]

easier to use - TRUE

and FACT

[undone flower]

If you really want deft with OF, you can sacrifice the haste points in the middle / sim if you are willing to take the loss

[brittle crow]

im not willing to accept loss at all

[sterile dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/kyoshi-gif-25351466

[undone flower]

You already accepting ST loss taking OF

[brittle crow]

yea but mt gain looks better on the pad

[olive wraith]

Are you running fresh meat?

[sterile dagger]

ngl playing fury rn feels like arcane - more adds, more damage

on boss i mean

[undone flower]

We don’t funnel no

[brittle crow]

yea

[sterile dagger]

idk, it feels like it, even if im wrong 🙂

[willow ivy]

so which version seems better atm? the one with OF or the one with Deft?

[sterile dagger]

ngl playing without deft is a bit shit

quality of life

[undone flower]

Reap doesn’t counterbalance the fact you press whirlwind every 4 spells

[undone flower]

On the boss

[sterile dagger]

and my enrage uptime was shit

[olive wraith]

How much time were you in combat

[sterile dagger]

eco 15

23:49

in combat

i feel like without deft, im losing enrage a lot

[olive wraith]

Any deaths?

[sterile dagger]

yes

not me tho 😄

1 at start someone died

so -cd

on lust

[olive wraith]

Isn’t 80% around normal

[sterile dagger]

actually idk

[undone flower]

Details is only in combat breakdown

[sterile dagger]

but i feel like sometimes im catching myself pumping RB without enrage

so im going to try powerful enrage with deft without of

[olive wraith]

Ya I brain farted. It’ll count time dead if boss fight though right?

[undone flower]

5 min ?

[olive wraith]

That’s not what I’m saying

[heavy dock]

idk i had 88% uptime on a halls +10

[undone flower]

Yes it will count if you die on boss

[olive wraith]

Just that it could’ve been a reason enrage up time will be lower

But he didn’t die

[sterile dagger]

on this pull i had enrage 77%

[olive wraith]

So that’s out

[sterile dagger]

pull was 2:08

[bitter palm]

ye but then berserker stance would be lower no

u dont have a stance if u are dead

frenzy is a lot higher too

[bitter palm]

rampage more

idk

try not to send rb at the end of enrage as well cause reap is a bit delayed

[olive wraith]

I only looked at enrage Ngl

[undone flower]

An juggernaut higher than enrage is really weird asf

[sterile dagger]

idk with switching to slayer after change and playing with frenzied enrage - i feel like a lot of the times i have input lag

[olive wraith]

You’ll probably lose enrage % depending how long it takes to group pulls too

Sometimes pug tanks really like taking forever to pull what they want

[bitter palm]

whats ur spellqueuewindow

/dump GetCVar("SpellQueueWindow")

[undone flower]

If you didn’t change it it’s 400

[bitter palm]

400 feels very bad for me at least

u should set it at 100 + ur ping

[undone flower]

You need higher ?

[bitter palm]

too low is very evil

[summer quail]

150 feels good

[bitter palm]

i have it at 145 cause 45 is my ping

[undone flower]

I have it at 400

I never changed it

[bitter palm]

idk 400 feels so delayed for me

[undone flower]

How ? You know it is the maximum

400 means you can spell queue from your ping to 400

[bitter palm]

ye but 400 is too much

[hard rampart]

you can change spell queue window ;o

[bitter palm]

if u want to change ur input and u are within that

gg

[modest condor]

why gg?

[bitter palm]

didnt cleave rampage

[sterile dagger]

123 123

okey im back LMAO

[undone flower]

You can change the spell queue until your ping

[sterile dagger]

yes it was 400, set to 150 (since ping 40-45)

[undone flower]

400 (whatever number you put) is the maximum

[bitter palm]

ye and thats why i said 145 feels so much better to me

it feels more responsive

[sterile dagger]

need to try to play with it

like couple bosses/keys

to see whatsup

[rocky sequoia]

what % does forgeweaver start suckign everyone off

[spice haven]

With these " #% chance to proc reap the storm" talents/2-4set. Does the chance increase if i hit multiple targets with improved whirlwind-raging blow etc? or is it just a flat 20% of the main target

[young swan]

#updates-midnight message

[sour frigate]

20 from each

Per*

[naive latch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1413296803834499114/reaptech.gif

[sterile dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1413241837900005386/reaptech.gif

[rocky sequoia]

does he always do a 2nd conduit phase or can we burn him to a certain percent to start sucking us off

[sterile dagger]

POG

im stealing it

[worn rain]

og content

enjoy

[potent sinew]

Fresh out the oven

[sterile dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/kinoplex-smooch-smoochie-us-love-gif-24892307

[meager gyro]

I think for pugs I'm going to use OF build

[spice haven]

ty for the info, oh god what did i start

[undone flower]

I don’t think many people skipped the second conduit phase if any did / if you talk about mythic

[naive latch]

depleted a 14DB because the prot warr just fell over rofl

[worn rain]

he just can't handle power of

[naive latch]

Probably ran out of rage for ip, dude went from 100 to 0 in a second

[bitter palm]

more like ran out of shield block or turned his back or all 3

[young swan]

how the fuck u run out of rage as thane

[bitter palm]

no idea

[naive latch]

revenge spam probably kek

[undone flower]

@rocky sequoia kills around 5min 15- 5min 50 skipped the second conduit

[jade hatch]

Any pro tips to making idol not feel terrible to use

[mental hawk]

How is it possible to get 733 ilvl on your offhand?

[bitter palm]

pressing revenge as thane 🥀

mythic weapon

[mental hawk]

I thought the max was 720 for anything crafted

[narrow kiln]

Is there a spell reflect guide for this m+ season anywhere

[naive latch]

You can't. 723's the max

[bitter palm]

oh 733

cant read

[mental hawk]

WoWhead is lying to me then 🙁

[naive latch]

Time to play Arms again for hoa

[jade hatch]

^

[rocky sequoia]

im doing heroic forgeweaver and the RL insists on lusting during the first burn

[worn rain]

use on charge/press before cds

nothing you can do more about it

[olive wraith]

Are you consistently getting to last phase

[rocky sequoia]

yeah and wiping at 10% too

but in most of the groups ive killed this with we lust on 2nd burn

[olive wraith]

Rip

[sterile dagger]

okey idk if its spell queue 150 or powerful enrage - but it feels better LMAO

[olive wraith]

Ya I was thinking maybe it was just to help talk progress to see the last phase

[sterile dagger]

or both

[olive wraith]

Slayer has a shit ton of haste. So that probably doesn’t help

[sterile dagger]

yeah and with frenzied - i felt like i have every spell all the time..and with powerful - a bit slower and more comfortable gameplay, so far (keys only)

[naive latch]

sub-10 minute hoa brick ezpz

absolutely hate voidweaver discs

[storm rune]

My strat is to lust the final pillar of 2nd intermission, burn it down quick and have lust up for the entirety of his damage amp

Makes it easier on healers by getting out of the pulses faster

[edgy widget]

lowering the spell queue (from default, not beyond that point) usually feels a lot more reactive for players with low ping on high haste classes

but there's nothing wrong with taking powerful - they added the two to give players a gameplay option, so you should play whichever feels more comfortable

[edgy widget]

charge -> press it while charging

or if you're already in melee, just press it before CDs

[fresh cape]

anyone else using luxthos wa pack? what is the % above bloodthirst , lol im a noob

[edgy widget]

I don't, but I assume it's using some version of my BT crit tracking weakaura, to help you know when to press Bloodthirst to guarantee a critical strike - you don't need it anymore w/ Season 3 tier

[fresh cape]

bloodcraze?

[jade hatch]

Playing 400 spell queue at 16ping, gonna try to lower it to 150 for first time ever and see if I feel a difference

[edgy widget]

bloodcraze, reck, and various other sources of crit, yes

[olive wraith]

Can confirm it’s bloodcraze

I use luxthos

[fresh cape]

ok cool thanks. the numbers are a little off

[edgy widget]

150 is the generally lowest recommended value, you can always go higher if you like having a slightly bigger window too

[polar shale]

Yo guys, which item from the 5set we are NOT catalysting as Fury, is it helm?

[edgy widget]

yeah it's prob not as good as my version 😛
but you can remove it entirely, it is not used with S3 gear

[olive wraith]

Helm is the “worst” piece in full bis

[olive wraith]

They’re off?

[viscid pelican]

is it worth it to go slayer for M+ if you dont have 4p set bonus?

[edgy widget]

yes, just prioritize BT instead of RB
or play Colossus instead

[fresh cape]

shows 18% lol, not in combat lol

[edgy widget]

that's probably your base amount of crit from gear

[polar shale]

I see and roughly are there any "fixed stat values" we have available so I can correct my stats

[olive wraith]

You sure you don’t have a generic bt crit tracker

[olive wraith]

No. We just sim as we get gear

Robot tells you what stats are better at any given time

[polar shale]

And lastly as Slayer in m+ AOE pull when does execute comes in the rotation

I generally rampage for enrage and RB on CD

[viscid pelican]

i thought it was only worth it since they made it so RB reap spam is better aoe than thane, would you recommend colossus or slayer without 4p

[olive wraith]

When you hear kaching from the wa

[polar shale]

but on same dungeon key I feel my dmg is different

the casino machine i see

[hot rampart]

we get another tier token on Tuesday yeah?

[olive wraith]

Remind me what Colo 4p is? Is that the bleed

[fresh cape]

ahh yep thats it, i got exactly 18% crit

[edgy widget]

• The 4p Slayer tier enables RB, so prioritize BT without it
• The 4p Thane tier allows TB resets, so don't play Thane without it
  without 4p tier, play Fury Slayer or Arms Colossus

[pearl sequoia]

probably shouldnt play at all without 4pc, unsub i guess

[olive wraith]

Slayer 2p is good

[edgy widget]

so is Colossus 2p

hence

play Slayer or Colossus

[viscid pelican]

i see, which of the 2 fury M+ builds would you recommend in the discord, dont they rely on RB and the 4p bonus too?

[olive wraith]

You’ll remove ct for cshb and 2nd point in deft

[edgy widget]

probably the one which says "Before getting the Season 3 4p set bonus..."

[olive wraith]

Oh lmao didn’t know you still had that one up

[viscid pelican]

ah, the no tier slayer, i had missed it, thanks for your help guys

[olive wraith]

Go reap in confidence friend

[viscid pelican]

yessir

[sterile dagger]

imo rn slayer too good to not play it. but thane also very good.

assuming u have 4p ofc

[olive wraith]

Bruh he doesn’t have it lol

[sterile dagger]

oh sorry 😄 i mean i played on my 2nd war with 2p only...and both were fine

just try both, if u can

[viscid pelican]

thats the thin,g ive got 0p

[sterile dagger]

as i said - for lower keys, i played both, depends on mood 🙂

even before i got 2p on alt

[edgy widget]

you ignored the premise of his question lol

[sterile dagger]

yeah, and i said sorry 😄

[edgy widget]

he's not using either of those builds because he doesn't have tier
there is a specific Slayer build for use without tier, and also Colossus

[viscid pelican]

is there a place where i can see the rotation of the no tier slayer build?

[edgy widget]

Thane is fine, and if you don't have tier frankly you're not doing anything competitive anyway, but if you're looking for optimization you want either the no-tier slayer or colossus builds

[edgy widget]

#dps-faq guides

actually try the Icy-Veins one, there's a specific checkbox for s2 vs s3 tier which should be a little more readable

[grand anvil]

is mountain thane still the m+ go to?

[sterile dagger]

i would say yes

[grand anvil]

okay ty 🙂

[edgy widget]

Thane is fine, can have a similar top end but it's more RNG and all AoE / no ST
Slayer is generally more consistent, stronger ST, and will have better average performance

there's a lil breakdown in #1273899855852339200, as well as recommended builds for each

[grand anvil]

aha okay thx 🙂

[feral ivy]

is AK still bugged? last boss was despawning mid fight randomly for ppl

[edgy widget]

I haven't experienced that myself

[sterile dagger]

me neither

[chilly fractal]

I haven’t either

[sterile dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/susge-stare-pepe-sus-gif-6983445641596872640

[jade hatch]

What should I use if mana oils are breaking my bank

Besides a credit card

[sterile dagger]

i have my personal answer

if u doing like 10s

[edgy widget]

cheaper mana oils? or just nothing lol

[sterile dagger]

dont use shit -> flask t2 and lets go

[jade hatch]

Nothing it is ezpz

10+ yeah

[sterile dagger]

also try to get alchemy if u dont have, and get like 25 or 30 points - to get 2h flasks

[pearl sequoia]

i wouldnt bother using them in m+ unless ur pushing, what are the chances those oils are gonna be the boost to time the key yk

[dense elbow]

I dunno man, been quite a few keys with a sec or so remaining. Oil matters

[sterile dagger]

def not 10s right?

[dense elbow]

Even 7s

[sterile dagger]

i mean lvl 10 keys

[jaunty goblet]

not a warr specific question really but do all top end players really hide/minimize their actionbars in favor of class WAs? i have pretty good muscle memory but it still seems a bit jarring especially if youre someone who enjoys playing various classes, like is it seen as objectively always an improvement once u get used to it or more just a preference thing?

[pearl sequoia]

Even if you want to always use them no matter the content id think weekly stuff and world quests reqwarding gold would cover a weeks worth of consumes

[edgy widget]

anything is possible, but damage is practically never a limiting factor in mid-range keys; it's living

[jade hatch]

Ye I'll save tor pushing

[sterile dagger]

from what i see on some people streams - its preference imo

like gingi top player, but still has bars visible

some people do, some people dont, so i assume preference

[jaunty goblet]

i havent looked extensively but any time i have seen a mythic raiders screen actionbars r hidden and theyre using the minimalistic WA thats why i ask

[pearl sequoia]

thd

[dense elbow]

You kind of answered your own question, it is a little of A and B, for the goal of efficient info gathering from the UI

[edgy widget]

if your tank pulls effectively, your group kicks/stops appropriately, and you all roll your face across the keyboard without dying repeatedly, it is practically impossible not to time your keys

The reason people fail, or come close to failing, is due to much more important factors than lack of optimized damage (broadly speaking: dying)

[pearl sequoia]

a group i was in wiped 3 times in ara first boss and we still timed with current gear so

[smoky vale]

pacing kills keys

more than deaths

[dense elbow]

Just remember when you see them flail around and die. Don't be mad at em, that was you yourself once

[edgy widget]

there are a lot of things that do, but you can't really optimize around whether or not someone will int, especially when pugging

[smoky vale]

more than lack of damage

[sterile dagger]

one thing i noticed in ara on first boss - people never tank boss near eggs

switching to adds, use cd on them

talking for lower keys mainly

[dense elbow]

Cause ppl kite spiders into boss in panic

Makes sense

[edgy widget]

my point is that "use oil because your group might fail so hard that you barely time the key" is kind of a fallacious argument, because if they fail so many times that you're seconds away from running out of time, it's just as likely that they fail one more time or less - either of which resulting in that oil not mattering

which is not to say you should not use oil/consumables or optimize to a reasonable degree, you just need to decide how much wealth is worth putting into said keys

[sterile dagger]

i mean im used to hit boss (and adds), so boss needs to be near eggs, at least i played like that all s1, idk

[edgy widget]

also fwiw, if you are just pugging normal keys and not explicitly pushing, there's not really any punishment for failing a key timer - you're still getting the loot and weekly credit

[sterile dagger]

and u inbetween, but not inside boss model

[edgy widget]

so who really cares if the timer fails

[dense elbow]

Most ppl panic when things chase em, is what it is. Same as with the dragon 🐉

[tender sky]

This is dumb streamer bait that wipes pugs and should never be done in a random key

[edgy widget]

you're not supposed to tank near eggs lol

[sterile dagger]

i mean in s1 when i pushed a bit, it was by default

[edgy widget]

it's a lot easier for players to get over to eggs and back than it is to get the boss away from adds that aren't being killed quickly enough

[tender sky]

Like I said, dumb streamer bait

You’d only consider doing that if you need the boss damage, which isn’t until, like, 17 or 18+ right?

[dense elbow]

I am team tank near eggs, no reason not to. Just nuke the adds, spiders move with players, not to the boss, so is always controlled

[sterile dagger]

facts

[tender sky]

Yeah and then the pugs that mess this up wipe the group and you get mad that pugs don’t know a coordinated optimized strat

[modest condor]

tanking near the adds makes the fight both much easier and much faster

just stand between the boss and the eggs and cleave them down

[sterile dagger]

it makes fight easier

ofc u can do it however u want

[edgy widget]

I guess there's some question as to what "near" eggs means - when I see "near" I think "adjacent to"

[modest condor]

yeah

[edgy widget]

no, you don't need to be on the entire opposite side of the room

[sterile dagger]

i meant like @modest condor said

eggs -> u -> boss

[edgy widget]

but also no, you should not be ass to egg either

[modest condor]

like a whirlwind range distance or something

you want to be able to cleave the adds as soon as they spawn without leaving the boss

[sterile dagger]

just dont go "inside" boss model

[edgy widget]

also really depends on what kind of keys your doing; coordinated group vs pug, and what classes you have

[sterile dagger]

and you fine

[fresh cape]

anyone recommend a good video for fury? prefer a visual guide over written one lol

[modest condor]

i mean i get that some tanks in low keys like to run the boss around unnecessarily so you can't be sure that they wont run it into the adds even tho there was absolutely no reason for them to move before the adds are dead

[edgy widget]

sure, that's just typical pug life - a lot of tanks also like to do unnecessarily risky shit with untested pug groups and then get upset when it fails

+10 key pugs don't need MDI strats lol, and depending on other pugs to do everything right is a bold assumption

[modest condor]

but then everybody has to run around the room, nobody is stacked, everybody drops shit on the floor from the gosammer thingy

it's low effort from the tank and makes the fight harder for everybody else

[edgy widget]

fwiw I didn't suggest "running around the room"

[modest condor]

how am i gonna kill the adds if they spawn on the opposite side of the room behind the boss?

i have to get over there

[modest condor]

i cant expect my +10 pug to kill them in time

because they do 0 dps

[sterile dagger]

i feel like i have worst time in 7 or 10 rn then in last 14/15 i did today...i might sound dumb, but its general feeling
so i wonder how to gear my alt :DDD

[dense elbow]

15s seems to be the sweet spot atm

[edgy widget]

I mean, that's pretty natural - stronger players naturally move into higher keys (not that there aren't exceptions everywhere)

[dense elbow]

10s and 12s is a mess

[sterile dagger]

but people play alts too, right?

[edgy widget]

doesn't mean they're good at them

[sterile dagger]

i mean if person have 3-3.1k on main i assume they know how to use stun/kick

but correct me if im wrong

[edgy widget]

alts of people who do high keys also tend to bring them into higher keys, just carried by friends/guildies
e.g. plenty of people on my raid team have relatively low geared alts, but none of them are doing 7s, they're doing 10, 11, 12+

[dense elbow]

3k is that you can expect that they know how to press a rotation and maybe move at the same time

[edgy widget]

I don't think you can really assign a number on it, since that target point shifts so quickly

3k week 1 is a lot diff than 3k week 4

[pearl sequoia]

3k being the mount reward that people are going to stop at its just gonna be a lottery to the player skill u get

[edgy widget]

most players stop before even that

a lot of players just go for max vault rewards

[pearl sequoia]

Yuh i could see that to

[inland flame]

Absolutely a huge number of people stop at 10s, vault and portals

[edgy widget]

but yes, you're right - the vast majority of players drop off after the last intrinsic reward

[dense elbow]

Imagine not wanting resi achievements they are very cool

[edgy widget]

I personally don't give a shit about pushing keys, I think it's about the most pointless thing in the world - not that I don't find keys fun, I just don't find them fun enough to play for hours and hours every day all season long

I've got better things to do with my time 😛 once I stop getting useful vault rewards, I p much stop doing keys entirely

[dense elbow]

Neat

[inland flame]

It is interesting to see them cook pretty hard with delves this season but M+ if anything feels like it has less of a personality with affixes not really being a thing anymore

[tender sky]

It’s great to not have push weeks

[rigid stirrup]

It all balances it out for me personally. I'm at the point where it's push my own key or try to apply to the handful of 17s per day. Gives me time to do other stuff while I'm in que

[fickle stirrup]

110% I hit 3k week 2 and I just do 10s vault lol
Now I do 10s to give away gear and for fun cause the Slayer fix made a spec I love even more fun than it already was

[inland flame]

Yeah push weeks suck but it also feels like something's missing when every dungeon is exactly identical, idk

[dense elbow]

Hm, I am the other way around. I enjoy the affixes being gone - so I get to play the dungeon, not the affix

As I get to know the dungs more, the more I enjoy it. Without this repeating forced seasonal mechanic to annoy me

[edgy widget]

you get to play the dungeon, but as pointed out, it gets stale a lot quicker that way

[rotund steppe]

everything feels like a chore rather than a game nowdays

[inland flame]

Yea like I still like M+ don't get me wrong but you are asking people to do exactly the same thing lots of times per week for a long time

[edgy widget]

a lot of players also feel so entitled to free shit they don't wanna put in effort for anything or play the game just for the sake of playing the game anymore

[lusty jungle]

m+ pool should be 16 dungeons

[sterile dagger]

32!

[lusty jungle]

64

[sterile dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/knife-cat-cat-knife-cat-knife-cat-angry-gif-9404759922388476738

[lusty jungle]

ok chill

lets talk about this

[sterile dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-i’m-sorry-im-so-sorry-im-sorry-my-bad-gif-17321228005223634516

[potent thicket]

dopes wow even ahve more than 50 dungeons?

[pearl sequoia]

deadmines m+

[tender sky]

Easily

[lusty jungle]

Ragefire Chasm Dungeon Strategy Guide

[edgy widget]

I think it really boils down to rotating affixes being largely incompatible with an uncapped ceiling

[inland flame]

blud classic alone is like 20, plus 8+ per xpac

[dense elbow]

If I had to try to reroll my key for 1/64 chance to get 1 chance to up my key...

I would never interact with that system again

[pearl sequoia]

fogs rolling in

awoooo

[tender sky]

If you want variety run an 11 😂

[digital arrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1413296803834499114/reaptech.gif

[rotund steppe]

man if they ever do ragefire M+ and someone says "you are not 3000 io no inv" imma lose my shit

[real cave]

Looking at slayer for M+ and reading the notes on wow head it says raging blow proccing reap the storm how does it do that? I am only seeing bloodthirst doing it and its second to last on priority list for rotation

[inland flame]

Bring back buying dungo gear with currency, make every dungeon in the game a M+

[lusty jungle]

tier set

[dense elbow]

Easy there satan

[rotund steppe]

would actually play a lot more if we had currency

like cata hc dungeons

[edgy widget]

ok but you can only buy normal/heroic ilvl gear

[inland flame]

Hardmode BRD, takes 5 hours but hey you have a 0/1% chance no one dies for the myth piece.

[real cave]

Thank you i see it now

[inland flame]

M+ players are thirsty enough for myth track stuff to do it.

[real cave]

is Mountain thane still better than slayer for M+?

[dense elbow]

Currency for gear should be only normal war bound gear if anything

[rotund steppe]

tb they could just make buying any piece you want but you can upgrade it to max with crests and stuff

[edgy widget]

sure, to max normal or heroic track 😉

you're not getting myth gear with a farmable currency lmao

[dense elbow]

What about LFR, does that go to mythic

[pearl sequoia]

if you believe hard enough

[dense elbow]

Bring back titanforging and make it a 0.01% chance to max, with another 3% for gemslot and tetti

Enjoy

[rotund steppe]

[inland flame]

I mean idk upgrading gear is already gated behind crests I wonder how a shift towards making crests the only limiting factor for max ilvl would go

[rotund steppe]

add anothe 3 0s

and dont put the change in the list

so when someones gets it no one believes them

[dense elbow]

Hm, ok, you can now upgrade your gear to max ilvl, but only after:
A) you gotten CE
Or
B) you gotten 4k rio
Seems fair?

[rotund steppe]

kinda

or the wow way

CE, gladiator or keystone hero

[earnest canyon]

Some people would love that. They would still mindlessly grind m+ anyway, so give them a chance at a reward you can't get elsewhere.

Would have people in here saying "OK guys, after 150 eco dome +15 runs I finally got the weap with a gemslot! "

[rotund steppe]

they think they are somehow close to each other

[edgy widget]

they'd end up making crests a lot more limited, which would double down on the current problem of "don't bother upgrading Heroic gear to max, since it wastes crests, just stop at 4/6"

[eager thorn]

what do people tend to be using spell reflect on for nexus king, using to potentially block banishment dot or for claws dmg?

[tender sky]

There’s no reason why blizzard can’t just add a mount reskin every like 500 io

Problem solved

[edgy widget]

lmao

plenty of reasons tbh

[tender sky]

This system is so largely improved over everything else, I think what people want most of all is simply change

[dense elbow]

I like the current system. I get my gear, I keep up even when I don't raid. Just seems aight, chill and fair

[rotund steppe]

honest question: would it be bad if M+ had no deplete timer?

[pearl sequoia]

3 raids coming in midnight, good change 👍

[rotund steppe]

still a timer but no depletion

[edgy widget]

biggest thing b eing that you don't necessarily want everyone feeling like they need to push into higher keys for an intrinsic reward. It ends up pushing people into key levels they don't necessarily belong, putting burden on other people so that they can get their desired reward

it also increases the propensity for sales, which is great if you're a seller I guess, but not necessarily great for everyone else

[dense elbow]

Wouldn't be m+ anymore, but sure they could add a hardmode+ mode

I just don't personally get tickled by a system not limited by a timer. As then we reaching for the world of tankcraft

[edgy widget]

and the most serious issue with just adding rewards at the higher end of M+ is that it exacerbates the meta - the biggest reason M+ doesn't give out Myth track gear from +20 keystones is because only about 8 specs would have reasonable access to it

[tender sky]

Yeah, I think the spread between title and the last upgrade, prior to the 3k reward, was a lot. But it’s not hard to make that spread thinner.

I think the 3k reward fixed a lot of that problem

[frozen berry]

Anyone got a good Mt Thane raid build? Esp for Soul Hunters? Just use the MT build? Not seeing anything on Wowhead or Iceyveins...

*M+ build

[tender sky]

They need to remove class buffs from m+

[edgy widget]

you're not looking hard enough lol

[rotund steppe]

give warriors lust

[tender sky]

Then it could go from 8 specs to like 12

[undone flower]

The m+ score is already enough reward for those who care about m+

[dense elbow]

Oh I am leaving the convo, we are about to loop into lust and CR talk

Gl ppl

[edgy widget]

there's a whole talent calculator full of builds, there's an entire "talent builds" guide page, there's a "raid tips" page, and a "mythic+" page, all of which have talent builds on them

[tender sky]

The class buffs meant to balance raid provide a (largely unfelt) gain that really helps to drive metas, for no real purpose in 5 mans.

[edgy widget]

the class buffs system is more for raid representation than it is for M+

[tender sky]

It’s a cancer to m+ balance, but necessary for raid balance. But you could just ignore them in dungeons or make it a flat dmg increase per unique class

[onyx linden]

also you can just open up warcraftlogs and check what the top players play there

[tender sky]

Yes, but its existence makes m+ balance worse

[edgy widget]

sure, but like it or not, M+ is not considered the pinnacle activity of the game

and it's probably never going to be

[tender sky]

Caster/melee comps shouldn’t be a thing imo, and I don’t think it breaks the class fantasy to just null the buffs

[edgy widget]

eh, there's an RPG element to it that I think they like, the idea of making complementary groups and improving your teammates

[tender sky]

I mean agreed- this is just a simple easy change to make more diversity in m+

[rotund steppe]

wow was always about getting to max lvl, gearing with dungeons and going to raid

[undone flower]

Caster/melee and phys/magic

[edgy widget]

WoW is first and foremost an RPG - while many players want it to be a tightly balanced esport... it's really not ever going to be

personally I do think they should bring back scrolls or somethin though

[woven valley]

I miss when wow had more rpg elements

[tender sky]

Unique classes bringing some flat dmg in m+ would still make you feel good, improve diversity, and decrease queue times!

[edgy widget]

idk what that means, what class doesn't bring damage in M+?

[undone flower]

Queue time is the tank issue

[rotund steppe]

tell that to the blizzard shareholders

[tender sky]

I see this as a subpar solution to the class buff problem in m+

[rotund steppe]

they want an esport

[tender sky]

And scrolls break raid balance

Which takes priority

[edgy widget]

buddy, the high end of hardcore M+ players and raiders don't even make up a tenth of the playerbase - they ain't paying for the game, much less making shareholders rich

[dense elbow]

They want growth, they dont care how

[tender sky]

Boy do I have a shop mount to sell you

[pearl sequoia]

a wow mount > all of starcraft 2 sales ever

[edgy widget]

don't ever forget that it's the extremely casual never even hit max level players that resub for a month or two every patch who pay for 99% of the game

[edgy widget]

you know that wasn't true right

that was 100% bullshit lmao

[arctic copper]

idk, a very legitimate streamer said it tho

[pearl sequoia]

did roachsoftware say that

[arctic copper]

🤣

[edgy widget]

yeah, "very legitimate"

[tender sky]

Cosmetic whales drive A LOT

[pearl sequoia]

shit ive been infilitrated

mentally

[edgy widget]

not even cosmetic whales, just sheer subs

[dense elbow]

He worked for Blizzard for 27 years, he is an expert cyber programmer. He knows what he talking about

[edgy widget]

you'd be blown away by the amount of casual players who sub for a few months every patch, yet hardly even play the game during that time, each time there's a new patch

we're talking like a thousand+ of them for every one hardcore M+ key pusher who plays all season long

[potent sphinx]

@edgy widget genuine question, if Thunderous roar is so low on prio, why dont we take spear for extra cc?

[onyx linden]

because fuck spear, thats why

[modest condor]

it's been pretty clear for a while now that 95% of what come's out of that guy's mouth is complete nonsense

[edgy widget]

Roar is low on prio in ST, it's much higher in MT
That said you can take Spear, because it performs fairly similarly - the real answer is simply because that extra "cc" is rarely useful enough to care

[arctic copper]

oh yeah i was calling him out back then with the horse/starcraft thing AND the helldivers sony thing

[edgy widget]

runners aren't really a thing in modern wow anymore, and kiting is also fairly rare

[rotund steppe]

wha ya mean his dad worked at blizzard

./s btw

[edgy widget]

that's not /s, he did, they both did

[dense elbow]

He is gen2, he knows for sure

[edgy widget]

doesn't mean he's not a pathological liar though lol

[earnest canyon]

Who?

[potent sphinx]

Ok, just had the thought that since its such a low prio in most cases (critcake said almost never press roar in m+ physical comps) then that point would be better spent in either that or improved shockwave

[edgy widget]

you can and typically should take Rumbling Earth anyway independent of that choice

[dense elbow]

I mean, in my last key it was 2% of my overall. It won't be world ending if you want to skip it

But it is also free ez dam for at worst 1 point

[edgy widget]

it's really a choice between Roar or Spear

• both get used at roughly the same priority (higher in multitarget, lower in single target)
• roar deals more damage than spear
• spear adds a soft-crowd control that doesn't really have any practical use

If you find a way to make spear's control useful, or you simply like having it, then by all means - take it, but there is currently no appreciable advantage to taking it over the (however small) increase in damage from Roar

[vale edge]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-yo-momma-ya-mama-your-mother-gif-8950508997893541739

[dense elbow]

Wonder if it is Not Available, or North America typing

[potent sphinx]

Yeah its not alot true, i mean the most useful situation i can think of is a dying tank or the first few packs in gambit with fleeing mobs

[pearl sequoia]

it was mr bean

[edgy widget]

pretty much yeah, 2% damage is not exactly a lot, but it's still an extra 2% damage vs spear, that might do 1-1.5% damage instead

• so the question is whether that "control" is worth the damage difference
  if there were a strong practical place to use it, I might say yes, but so far that scenario doesn't really exist

[dense elbow]

Just test it, see what you prefer and go with that. Have some fun trying that

[gilded pawn]

im suprised that spears crit damage still isnt real

[hidden lava]

also spear is kinda annoying to land on all mobs in most situations

[dense elbow]

Blame the tank

[potent sphinx]

Ideally following vortex right

[dense elbow]

[edgy widget]

issue here though

• if you're saving it for a dying tank, you're not using it for damage, which means your previously 1% damage difference is now growing even further compared to roar
• in the case of gambit mobs, there are far too many of them pulled too frequently to depend on spear anyway. You may catch a few runners with it, but you're still going to need a plan for the next pack and the next and so on, so it's not exactly a reliable strategy (you're also again delaying the use of spear for damage, which means you're losing even more compared to playing with roar)

[potent sphinx]

Yeah not arguing that at all

[edgy widget]

kind of the same situation with Bitter Immunity - if you're saving it for a dispel, you're not using it for its heal and if you have to dispel more than one thing every 3m then you still need something else (like a healer) to cover the dispels anyway

[potent sphinx]

Agree

[edgy widget]

if blizz actually started adding encounter mechanics where you needed to grip or vortex the occasional add, Spear could end up being an interesting pick

but one of the issues with trying to make M+ accessible to almost any combination of classes is that they don't want to use too many niche or unique mechanics, or else you end up in a situation where you "need" a Warrior to complete the dungeon at higher levels

[potent sphinx]

Last question, guild is progging soul hunters, killing it next week most definetely. We're about to lock ideal roster for gearing purposes to get the most from it, how is fury now considering the hotfix?
We got on the melee dps side all classes available and for tanks bdk, prot warrior, monk

[edgy widget]

same reason they don't use Fears too much anymore, they don't want Shaman to become a necessary part of every group

[bitter palm]

also bursting

kinda needed a priest

kill pack fast mass dispell

[edgy widget]

really varies, but on average both Arms and Fury are kind of middle of the pack - performing well really depends on quickly and tightly stacking all three bosses, not having to run out too often due to mechanics, and simply surviving

having a Warrior on the fight isn't bad, but isn't as good as an extra lock/hunter/mage

[potent sphinx]

Yeah for soul hunters on prog i was always 2nd or 1st on melee dps

Im thinking more in terms of the next ones

[edgy widget]

the fight is an absolute clusterfuck, so a lot of it comes down to how good you are, as a player, in dancing in and out of shit to keep up damage without getting KOd

because you can move out of bad to stay safe, but you're losing damage

[potent sphinx]

Cause we will not swap that around to make sure we can be competitive to a degree on WR

[edgy widget]

or you can stay in and risk taking extra damage in order to deal your own, but that also increases your risk of getting killed

for example, if you look at the boss stats, average fury damage is pretty mid, but the top fury is very competitive (not counting destrolock)

so it's one of those things that really just comes down to how good you and your group is, but on average your group will probably have an easier time bringing an extra ranged of comparable skill (assuming they have one, mid rank guilds don't have nearly as much potential to class stack)

[potent sphinx]

Yeah for soul hunters, does it apply to nexus king and dimensius as well?

I mean we have potential, but it stays at potential most of the time

[edgy widget]

not as much, while those fights nominally harder, they're not nearly as hectic

and Warriors do pretty well on both Nexus & Demi

[potent sphinx]

Alright, thank you king

[edgy widget]

in raid it's less

and more

[pearl sequoia]

the complexity of fury rotation will be studied throughout the ages

[marble bison]

I feel like the current one is pretty decent

[pearl sequoia]

its a gud rhythm

[grave pike]

guys, this is prob stupid but... opener says pop avatar etc and charge insta rampage, but i get like 49 rage??? i need to do 1 ability or couple hits then rampage

am i trippin

[marble bison]

Would like it if bt was top prio in all situations but I don't think that's happening without beeg changes

[pearl sequoia]

need to do it after combat is enetered or your auto got parried pretty sure

[grave pike]

yea i usually do it after tank pulls ofc

[pearl sequoia]

probably the latter then

[olive wraith]

You’re doing something wrong if you only get 49

[edgy widget]

you're missing Reck

Reck always comes before Avatar

[grave pike]

i have a macro that pops everything, racial pot etc

[olive wraith]

What’s the macro

[grave pike]

/cast Avatar
/cast Recklessness
/cast Blood Fury(Racial)
/use Tempered Potion

[bold bear]

wowie

[grave pike]

omg

if i read... sorry and thanks

[edgy widget]

so way back in alpha I had the same opinion, however they've since done a really good job of diversifying the hero talents, and at this stage I actually like that Slayer and Thane prioritize differently

• Slayer is RB + Exe > BT
• Thane is BT + Blast > RB
  which is not a major difference, but it's just enough variety to make each feel distinct, yet still very easy to swap back and forth between

it also results in diversifying talent builds a little more, because when Slayer and Thane both prioritized Bloodthirst first, they used practically the same talent builds (sans BS/Rav) all the time, which was very bland

[grave pike]

avatar generates, geez and ive played warr since wotlk

[glossy comet]

Is slayer better for m+ now with the reap the storm changes?

[rotund steppe]

post the gif boiz?

[sterile dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1413241837900005386/reaptech.gif

[olive wraith]

Also. Try casting heroic throw before charge

Sometimes people aren’t in combat and rage decays by1

[edgy widget]

Avatar generates rage yes, but it generates more rage when Reck is used first

[glossy comet]

I've been preforming better with slayer just wanted to check if I was fucking up as thane or if I was Right lol

[grave pike]

yea thats what i figured when i actually read the spell 😄 ashamed

[rotund ginkgo]

how are we feeling

[pearl sequoia]

distrubedd

[real cave]

cruel strikes just flat out better than the dragon roar talents that buff it?

with raid and M+?

I thought dragon roar was big source of dmg for large pulls

[olive wraith]

It’s okay for big pulls

It pairs nice with of if you use that build

[rotund ginkgo]

@edgy widget why u hatin

u not ballin w it?

i kinda wanna farm the yellow dreadnaught

[marble bison]

Fair enough actually. If they keep the same general flow going into midnight then I hope this slayer 4-set gets preserved at least

[edgy widget]

surprising amount of debate

• Roar caps do much more direct damage than the Execute amp across a M+ dungeon, especially in ones with bigger pulls
• since the Reap change though, the +2% passive crit is kind of a wildcard, since its now buffing a lot more of your sustained damage
  which brings the two fairly close together overall - enough that I'd call it preferential at this stage

[eternal abyss]

100% this. If they now get the outer cap stone talents into this, it'll be awesome.

[rotund ginkgo]

call me wild but im playing deft over critical thinking

[edgy widget]

you can play both, first build in #1273899855852339200

[rotund ginkgo]

its a 100k loss in 1min 10mobs

but it feels

way better

[frank dawn]

yeah I hate how the spec feels without 1 point in deft at least

[rotund ginkgo]

1-1 simmed worse

than 2 in either

so im just going 2 deft

[sterile dagger]

deft - big qol (also damage)

[edgy widget]

you can just take 2 in both though, what are you taking instead of CT?

[delicate mirage]

are we slayer again?

[edgy widget]

its competitive

[delicate mirage]

@edgy widget any change to the build on wow head? or thats still good

[rotund ginkgo]

am i restartet or?

for m+ obv

[edgy widget]

look at the first build in #1273899855852339200

[edgy widget]

they're all updated, so is the rotation page

[delicate mirage]

^ ty man

your a legend.

[edgy widget]

https://tenor.com/view/bender-shutupbaby-iknowit-futurama-courtroom-gif-4885109

[rotund ginkgo]

wait huh

no focus in chaos?

[edgy widget]

yup

[rotund ginkgo]

HUH

do we not miss much/auto attacks have no value?

compared to previous seasons?

[sterile dagger]

just out of curiosity check how much autoattacks do damage in keys

[rotund ginkgo]

uh

1-2%

ig

[delicate mirage]

you think its less RNG

[sterile dagger]

nope

[rotund ginkgo]

wym nope

[sterile dagger]

its like very little

[delicate mirage]

and its the same or close enough

[rotund ginkgo]

in my last eda it was 1%

[edgy widget]

Focus has been pretty well devalued

• autos don't make up a lot of your damage anymore (particularly not in M+)
• we get a lot more rage gen from Execute now

[rotund ginkgo]

and it was awful i died like 3 times

[rotund ginkgo]

i had previous ones where it was over 2%

[rotund ginkgo]

turn this into a sticker

[delicate mirage]

sry ty

[sterile dagger]

wait what 2%?

for me roar do like 2%

wait hold up, im going to run game and check last run

[real cave]

That is interesting thank you very much

[sterile dagger]

melee in last key - 0.9%

[edgy widget]

well yeah, a single target source of damage is never going to be that high across a key

the real value of Focus in Chaos came from a time where autos made up a lot more of our ST damage and rage generation, but we've just grown out of it - obviously when we were more BT focused we still needed to take it to continue pathing down the left side of the tree, but those talents aren't as important in this build anymore

[sterile dagger]

yeah that build without raging blow - mmmm

forgot the name of talent

[edgy widget]

Thane uses Raging Blow but doesn't focus it; it would probably drop more RB talents if it had anything better to take instead

[undone flower]

Annihilator ?

[sterile dagger]

yap

old one 🙂

[sterile stratus]

How the hell does Maw of the Void work.

[edgy widget]

Yeah, Annihilator was interesting cause it still benefit from most of the RB bonuses, though it didn't actually cast RB

[edgy widget]

it AoE loots

[sterile stratus]

Thats... it?

[edgy widget]

yup

its just flavor

[modest condor]

imagine if you unlock some special effect after aoe looting like 10k mobs or something dumb like that

[sullen tendon]

How tf would slayer work if annihilator was still in the game

[undone flower]

You loot getikku after 10k mobs

[sullen tendon]

Just sit there and do nothing lol

[sterile stratus]

So its just a mace with a lot of crit

[modest condor]

yeah

[sterile stratus]

welp

[pearl sequoia]

arms bis tho innit

disgustin

[edgy widget]

I mean Slayer would work, you'd just press BT while the tier set would probably just proc off of Annihilator instead of RB, just like everything else did in Dragonflight

[sullen tendon]

You would only press whirlwind and rampage

[edgy widget]

...and Bloodthirst

[sterile dagger]

and rarely slam 😄

[sullen tendon]

Oh yeah bloodthirsty cause you don’t have to worry about rb

[edgy widget]

the real reason it wouldn't work like it did in Dragonflight is because both Deft and RA reduced the CD of Bloodthirst/bath

but Deft and RA both work differently now

[olive wraith]

Slayer just wouldn’t take it

[edgy widget]

so it would still work but you'd use BT/BB a lot less frequently and have to fill with WW/Slam a lot more

[olive wraith]

Rb also had less power in Df

[undone flower]

It would proc reap

[edgy widget]

RBs effects transfered into Annihilator

[sullen tendon]

I still can’t tell if blizzard considers bloodthirst to be the iconic fury ability or not. They seem to love using it in tier sets all the time and even implanted a bunch of functionality into the hero talents. You would think rampage or odyns fury would have taken that spot by now

Bloodthirst just isn’t flashy enough to be the iconic ability of fury anymore

It’s like if they made raptor strike the iconic ability of survival instead of wildfire bombs

[undone flower]

It already is iconic of fury no ?

[olive wraith]

I was thinking more with like bloodcraze and the slayer interactions. But I guess that would transfer over too

[olive wraith]

I’ve said this for a while. Swap over some rb power into bt

[edgy widget]

there was an early design philosophy of making BT the "core" of the rotation - the thing you would more or less always push on cooldown with a regular cadence (think like Mortal Strike pre-battlelord)

But since leaning further into differentiating Slayer and Thane, they've started moving away from that, instead giving each hero a more distinct rotation, which personally I'm a much bigger fan of

[sullen tendon]

When I think fury I think bladestorm and whirlwind even if bladestorm is a class ability most of the time

[olive wraith]

I’m too old and took too long of a break to consider bs a fury thing

[sullen tendon]

Ravager pisses me off and I would rather they just replace its talent nodes with something that beefs up bladestorm in a different way

[olive wraith]

I still don’t understand people’s beef with Rav

[undone flower]

Im too young and didn’t play fury before TWW, I don’t’ consider bs as fury iconic ability / arms has it too

[sullen tendon]

It’s annoying even after the changes to make it follow targets

And it just doesn’t fit as well as bladestorm into fury imo

[olive wraith]

What makes bs fit better for you

[sullen tendon]

Ravager = slow bladestorm = fast

[edgy widget]

They have done a lot to make Bladestorm fit much more comfortably into Fury, actually one of their major successes over the last couple expacs

[olive wraith]

Bladestorm is a channel though 🤣

Albeit a short one

[undone flower]

6 sec bladestorm

[sullen tendon]

Is rather have a better looking ability that does big damage than a bad looking one that does worse damage

You don’t even take rav for damage

You take it for unhinged and you can cast tb in thane

[olive wraith]

It’s an enabler sure. But I don’t see why that’s bad

[sullen tendon]

I just don’t like it cause it’s slow and less fitting than bladestorm for fury

[undone flower]

It is fitting with thane fury 🤷‍♂️

[olive wraith]

Too bad it didn’t have lightning crackles or something

[sullen tendon]

Rather have a choice mode that sets you on fire to leave a dot or something after bladestorm or leave mirror images behind during bladestorm. Something cooler than unhinged

[undone flower]

Even tho I would like animation change for more thany look

[sullen tendon]

Unhinged sucks cause you can’t even see the abilities going off

[edgy widget]

I don't think there's anything wrong with Ravager, though I'm not a huge fan of the extra keypress

• Prot's Whirling Blade is a good template for future design, though I'm not super fond of adding another random AoE proc (we already have Reap and TBlast rng)
• My preferred change is just turning Ravager into a passive talent that automatically drops Ravager whenever you press your major cooldown (probably CS/Reck, but I could also see tying it to Avatar)
  Difference being that the former is more RNG and the latter is more controlled, but either option would effectively automate Ravager, with the benefit of removing the keybind and extra step in the rotation

[olive wraith]

I don’t even look at my animations lol

[sullen tendon]

How can you not see bladestorm

[undone flower]

Me neither but ravager is a flashy one

[edgy widget]

how can you not see Ravager?

[sullen tendon]

I do and it pisses me off!

[olive wraith]

I’m not staring at my character. I also didn’t say I don’t see it

[edgy widget]

then don't use it!

[sullen tendon]

I don’t!

[edgy widget]

then what's the problem

[sullen tendon]

It could be replaced with something cooler

[edgy widget]

so could you

[pearl sequoia]

report: my warriors not using his cds

[sullen tendon]

I want more fire in fury

The glyph for enrage is cool

[edgy widget]

play Enh

[olive wraith]

I think lightning is cool

[pearl sequoia]

FLAMESHOCK LAVABURST

[sullen tendon]

Enh barely has fire

[olive wraith]

I like heroic leap as thane

[undone flower]

And how 2 orange blade spinning on the ground is not fire enough for you

[edgy widget]

the extra audio/visual is a nice touch

[sullen tendon]

I hope they remove ravager when they finally remove the storm of steel talent or whatever it’s called

The choice node that has never been taken

[olive wraith]

So good

[edgy widget]

Storm of Steel can go, I agree

[olive wraith]

Boo

[undone flower]

Storm of steel pré-exist ravager, you can’t remove it, it is the pillar holding the warrior class

[sullen tendon]

Keep ravager on prot and arms

They are slow

[minor swift]

top 5 must have weak auras for fury warrior? like can't play without?

[edgy widget]

Ravager will probably just turn into Whirling Blade, but I hope they consider my passive idea instead 🤞

[olive wraith]

Huh

[tender sky]

Passive idea?

[sullen tendon]

If it was a passive proc that shot out mini weapons that deal damage to enemies I would be fine with it

Turbo side.arm

[undone flower]

Prot has ravager passive proc, it is really cool

[edgy widget]

rotationally? not really any must have, though the Execute Conditions WA in #1237307732705415228 is good for automation

Beyond that, just tracking basic stuff - mainly Enrage & Whirlwind buff stacks

[tender sky]

Ope didn’t scroll up enough

[edgy widget]

#fury message

[olive wraith]

Mans said prot was slow lol

[minor swift]

can't find a nice clean enrage tracker, any suggestions

[sullen tendon]

I like the idea they were going for with sidearm but it’s always felt lackluster and not fully utilized

[edgy widget]

honestly just make your own, it couldn't be easier

• open WA
• new template -> icon
• triggers -> player -> buff -> name: Enrage

[old mango]

!CRAFTED

[minor swift]

hmmm, good idea, tysm

[edgy widget]

learning to make your own WAs, at least super simple ones, is a very important skill; don't be dependent on others!

and by skill I mean it really is dummy easy once you spend a few mins poking around the options; it looks a lot more intimidating than it really is

[sullen tendon]

I’d like more things in the fury tree to be either about fire or bladestorm or throwing out tons of weapons that do bleeds and put debuffs on enemies based on the weapon type and stuff like that

[edgy widget]

SIDEARM

[sullen tendon]

Yea

But turbo

Awesome side arm

[olive wraith]

That sounds like a rogue thing

Throwing knives

[undone flower]

Combat rogue ?

[edgy widget]

sidearms

[sullen tendon]

We are rogues

But bigger

[minor swift]

true, stuff breaks all the time

[edgy widget]

plus you get to a boss and think "hmm I wanna emphasize this debuff more" without trying to poke around rando ass packs or wago finding exactly what you want

[sullen tendon]

Bring back gladiator spec and make it all about using the weapons and tools of actual gladiators.

[edgy widget]

also pro tip: download Masque and find a nice skin you like - reskins buttons and WAs, will really elevate your "pretty UI" game

[undone flower]

I poke around luxthos pack from S1, I never updated it lmao, it is my ship of theseus

[edgy widget]

I built my own UI back in TBC and I've been using the same basic layout/concept ever since

[young swan]

got resil 13's

[pearl sequoia]

gwatz

[young swan]

pugging with 0 relevant key history for every season ever kinda rough

[undone flower]

Im not a pro WA artist, so I patchwerk the base I have

[edgy widget]

just look at those buttons 🔥

[pearl sequoia]

pug grinding is where men are made

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-meme-pepe-smile-gif-20679639

[junior gale]

men who whine and bitch about not getting invites and something about meta and utillity

[undone flower]

Hoa is so rough in pug, it was a battle to get it in 13 for me

[minor swift]

i dig it, looks pretty pristine

[young swan]

thankfully i got it to 14

i SHOULD have a 15 priory

but apparently pressing lust button is very difficult!

[edgy widget]

get drums and do it yourself!

[young swan]

yeah i need to buy some

wish i could just press a real lust button...

hellscreams warsong my beloved...

[undone flower]

I had every key in 14s or 15s but hoa and priory were in 12, im losing my mind

[edgy widget]

ngl I'm going to be very disappointed if they just give Wars lust instead of something real

we don't need a 4th (5th?) lust class

[young swan]

also YES my headcanon for warrior lust IS the icecrown raid buff

[pearl sequoia]

i think hoa is the only key where im always feeling like the timer needs a buff

[olive wraith]

I still dislike streets the most

[young swan]

yeah getting some new cool stuff would be sick

[edgy widget]

Halls is def one of the worst keys this season

[undone flower]

Idk, I tried twice the 14, it was mostly group fails, the timer seemed fine when I depleted 2 hoa on the third boss

[young swan]

but i would also take lust purely for thematic reasons

and because it annoys me when people dont lust properly in dungeons

[olive wraith]

Too bad rally doesn’t have damage reduction

[graceful elk]

So whats the optimal Slayer fury for Mplus?

[pearl sequoia]

most of my hoa's its get to 3rd boss, kill it, then theres like 4 mins left, and ur like o shid we gotta go fast

[graceful elk]

I saw some people are taking OF now again

[olive wraith]

#updates-midnight

[edgy widget]

that's actually condensed a scrunch since I updated the main Slayer build

but yeah, its an option for people who want it - not really better or worse by any significant degree

[undone flower]

One thing pissing me off a lot, I ask bl holder where we should bl when im tank, and they are ????

[young swan]

they should give us sod chain grip

butchers hook

(fuck dks)

[olive wraith]

Isn’t that a tank decision

[edgy widget]

Meat Hook, yeah, that was a fun addition in SoD (and DKs would HATE us)

[young swan]

they should make it a skill shot tho

https://tenor.com/view/pudge-nazar4ikbrawler-dota2-hook-gif-26411944

[olive wraith]

Nooooo blitz fails

[spare steppe]

I dislike ara kara more

[edgy widget]

I don't hate the idea of skillshots, but I feel like it would interfere with the pacing of the regular rotation

[undone flower]

Yes, but not knowing as the dude with the bl is a sin

[spare steppe]

First pull and first boss seem to be natural key killers if folks don’t have their shit together

[olive wraith]

He doesn’t know your route (if pugs)

[rotund ginkgo]

FUNNEL IS REALLLLLLLLLLLL

[edgy widget]

there's a reason we use instant leap/spear/ravager macros right? the time you're sitting there lining up your shot is time you're not pressing your rotation, and when your GCD averages 1s or less... it's hard to do both

[rotund ginkgo]

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

TELL ALL YOUR TANKS

TO FUNNELLLLLLLLL

[olive wraith]

We funnel

[rotund ginkgo]

we do

[olive wraith]

Trust me tank pull 4 onto boss

[rotund ginkgo]

we LITERALLY funnel

if u RB 5 mobs instead of 1 u have a 67% chance

to reap

ergo, funnel

[undone flower]

Most tanks don’t link their routes….

[rotund ginkgo]

thats more reaps than u could do ST

[edgy widget]

ok but you're also casting whirlwind instead of RB

[rotund ginkgo]

ok but IM REAPING

IM REAPING SO HARD

[rotund ginkgo]

ur gonna tell me

[edgy widget]

ragish in real time

[rotund ginkgo]

a ww

[olive wraith]

Oh I agree. I’m just saying they don’t know what route you’re doing unless you tell them

[rotund ginkgo]

costs us more

[young swan]

the skillshot thing was a complete joke, moreso just a prod at how blizzard balances shit for warrior vs other classes 💀

[rotund ginkgo]

than like 50% more reaps

?

[spare steppe]

If rampage cast whirlwind we’d funnel

[young swan]

they get our stuff free of charge but we pay taxes for anything we steal from them

[rotund ginkgo]

go odyn's

[brittle crow]

when do i listen to execute wa in m+ now

still always?

[rotund ginkgo]

ye

same prio

[undone flower]

I didn’t follow the execute situation, it’s still at 2 mfe ?

[olive wraith]

There is an argument to chain spam rb in higher pulls but on average both prios are close

[edgy widget]

the real question is whether 1 WW + 1 Reap is worth more single target damage than 1 RB

[rotund ginkgo]

TIME TO TEST

ARCHI

[edgy widget]

ain't much to test lol

it's not

[rotund ginkgo]

its a 150% reap tho

innit?

[edgy widget]

yeah

[rotund ginkgo]

ok but what if

u do

3 RBs

and literally all 3 proc

[olive wraith]

What if

[rotund ginkgo]

lets say for example u pop off with the procs

[olive wraith]

You do 3 st rbs and they all proc

[rotund ginkgo]

and u literally get like 10 reaps in a row

ok statistically thats way less of a chance

thast the point of the calculation

[brittle crow]

https://streamable.com/08lpcm i bust

[rotund ginkgo]

that animation

actually fucks w my brain

when i reap too much

[olive wraith]

You’re literally just saying what if we high roll though

[rotund ginkgo]

and i gotta whirlwind on top

[olive wraith]

lol

[edgy widget]

just look at your tooltips

• WW does ~435k
• Reap does ~685k x1.5 -> ~1m
  call that just under 1.5m total
• RB does ~1.2m + a 20% chance of its own Reap + Slaughtering Strikes + Bloodcraze + generates more rage

[brittle crow]

pull onto boss = more time spent in aoe = higher pad tho

doesnt matter if u actually funnel

[olive wraith]

This is facts. Just keep spreading the word that we funnel

Lie a little it’s okay

[edgy widget]

now the real argument is that pulling mobs onto the boss is more efficient damage since you can kill both at the same time

[olive wraith]

People don’t know it’s not funnel

[undone flower]

And what kind of funnel it is when you lose prio until 5 target and then lose again above 8

[edgy widget]

cause you're taking a very small ST loss for a much larger MT gain

but it's not really funnel in the sense that DH/Arc Mage do

[rotund ginkgo]

hows bloodcraze relevant if we literally

[glad coyote]

anybody know the scaling for hard mode what key level its like?

[rotund ginkgo]

almost never click BT

i mean SURE we click it

once every fuckin

5 years

[edgy widget]

Bladestorm casts it

[rotund ginkgo]

iguess

[edgy widget]

it's not a lot of damage, but it's still damage

[rotund ginkgo]

LET ME FUNNEL

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

it just means the gap between ST and aoe rotation is even smaller now

i call it funnel

:chad

[undone flower]

Now that you can be proud of our cleave, you want to be a mage

[edgy widget]

sorry, best I can do is funeral

[olive wraith]

10 with extra mechanics

[rotund ginkgo]

GIVE US FUNNEL

[edgy widget]

but yeah, I'm 100% for pulling mobs onto bosses

[undone flower]

100% I heroic throw random packs on every boss

[rotund ginkgo]

ill keep spreading misinformation

that it is

[glad coyote]

samessss

[edgy widget]

the real power move is heroic throwing bosses on trash

[olive wraith]

[rotund ginkgo]

my RB says 850k btw

so?

[edgy widget]

you forgot enrage damage amps

[rotund ginkgo]

my base rb unenraged reads 850k

[sullen tendon]

ive been queing since 10am this morning and got into like 3 keys that werent my own

[rotund ginkgo]

i mean by that logic apply enrage to everythign no?

[tender sky]

Sub rogue

[edgy widget]

not Mastery, Raging Blow deals * 1.15 * 1.15 while enraged

[glad coyote]

what key levle?

[sullen tendon]

16-17

[rotund ginkgo]

huh

[pearl sequoia]

🔥

3 keys fugged up lfg

[wispy mural]

hekili recommending to push bloodthirst over rb in 5 target still, I keep it there just to look at but kind of annoying unless there is something I'm missing

[sullen tendon]

dont listen

[edgy widget]

Hekili hasn't been updated yet, I think they said next week

[glad coyote]

uninstall hekili

[sullen tendon]

i was using hekili to track MFE stacks until i got the wa

[edgy widget]

there's nothing wrong with using Hekili, it just hasn't been updated for the brand new unannounced hotfixes yet... which isn't exactly unreasonable lol

[wispy mural]

I haven't been following it, but I like to use it on my alts and I mostly use it just as a reminder when the last stack of whirlwind is gone

[brittle crow]

im #1 hekili hater

u can slander it for not updating day of

[sullen tendon]

thats not waht your name says

[pearl sequoia]

cmon we shud ban Hekili

[edgy widget]

ok now yall just acting weird

[brittle crow]

im #1 in a lot of things i just wear my proudest achievement publicly

[sullen tendon]

idk who kasane teto is anyways

[brittle crow]

for shame

..

[wispy mural]

idk I feel like hekili is great for when I just finished leveling a toon and want a general idea of what I'm doing

[sullen tendon]

yea

[edgy widget]

it's a perfectly fine tool

[sullen tendon]

i love hekili when im jsut playing alts

how tf am i supposed to know to press festering strike over epidemic

[hot rampart]

I know this is a question much better answered with logs, but im seeing a lot of fury slayer with Reap as their top damage overall. Mine tends to be second or third with rb and sometimes rampage on top. Any thoughts on why this could be?

[brittle crow]

too much rampage

not enough reap

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1414077026855288872/reaptech.gif

prob not having bladestorm up for packs either

that causes less reap

[hot rampart]

How are you guys finding that gif so fast every time 😂

[olive wraith]

There’s a few variables

[sullen tendon]

they favorited it

[hot rampart]

Okay yeah I definitely am not good at having bs up

[sullen tendon]

press the star in the top left

[olive wraith]

That’s the biggest issue

[edgy widget]

depends on the pull sizes and amount of AoE vs ST in the key (e.g. streets is much less raw AoE)

• RB also only triggers Reap on targets affected by Overwhelmed, so you really want to time Bladestorm as soon as possible on each new pack to apply the debuff before you start using RB
• if Bladestorm isn't available, prioritize Execute & BT until it is

[olive wraith]

Hold that bs

[hot rampart]

Okay gotcha

Thanks guys that's likely it

[edgy widget]

you don't necessarily want to hold BS, you just need to get a feel for how fast packs are dying

BS is still a strong tool, and you can often get 2x BS on one pack and still have it up in time for the next - you just gotta use a lil brain juice

[brittle crow]

then u get a tank that chain pulls but only when the pack is half dead

and u wanna die

[edgy widget]

assuming you're hitting your marks, BS averages around a 20s CD, so use that as a rough guideline, but you should get a feel for whether or not you should use Bladestorm pretty quickly just by how fast the pack is dying

[edgy widget]

actually this kinda works in Fury's favor, since you can still trigger Reap off the old pack, which applies Overwhelmed to the new mobs

[brittle crow]

🤔

[storm rune]

We still respect rage outside of immediately after BS? I read that on wowhead but just wanted to clarify in case it was missed

[brittle crow]

i love bad tanks now

[edgy widget]

it can be kind of finicky though, because you can't control which targets RB cleaves onto (you cleave the closest targets, but if they're all stacked together, then it's kinda hard to figure)

[brittle crow]

worth pressing bloodthirst then or just hope for high roll reaps

[edgy widget]

it's not a bad idea, kinda just depends on how many leftover targets with Overwhelmed you still have vs how many fresh targets there are

[olive wraith]

With low stacks of overhwelm it might be better to bt

[edgy widget]

RB has a 2% chance per Overwhelmed stack to trigger Reap

• so if you have 1 target w/ 10 stacks and 4 targets w/ 0, you still only have a single 20% chance to trigger Reap
  so lets say you press BT and get a Reap proc
• now you have 1 target w/ 10 stacks and 4 targets w/ 1 stack, which is one 20% chance and four 2% chances - still not great odds for prioritizing RB

what you really wanna do in this situation is start priotizing Execute a little more to get Bladestorm back up as soon as possible; you p much always want to try to time it so that you can Bladestorm new mobs as soon as possible

[quiet breach]

anyone have a mouseover macro that has nothing to do with focus targets

i aint tryna do with focus i just want the basic one

[storm rune]

That's quite the nuance

[edgy widget]

/use [@mouseover] AbilityName;AbilityName
this version should prioritize casting on mouseover, or your target if there isn't a mouseover target

[quiet breach]

i googled it and all of them have focus included in it

ty

i wanna have one that casts on mouseover, and if no mouseover casts on my target

all the ones i see have it cast on focus, THEN on target

[pearl sequoia]

we need a ai to make wow macros

[storm rune]

Chatgpt is great for making macros

[sinful spoke]

bro said chatgpt

🥀

[storm rune]

Oh no, is that a gen a faux pas

[unkempt dagger]

btw , did they nerf the tierset?

[hot rampart]

Does it give you bladestorm CDR when you're pressing it prior to the weakaura kaching?

[unkempt dagger]

my procs seemed a bit low

[edgy widget]

it gives CDR whenever you consume a Mark for Execution, the WA delays Execute for the sake of efficiency, but you can consume them sooner in order to get more CDR quicker

[hot rampart]

And this is probably a stupid question but what is the actual reason to wait for the kaching?

[edgy widget]

just using your GCDs more efficiently; consuming multiple marks at once instead of one at a time results in less marks overall, but more efficient damage dealing (since you can get CDR in chunks instead of a trickle, leaving more room for better raw damaging GCDs)

[hot rampart]

Oh okay

[olive wraith]

Don’t think so we would see more people in here asking about it

[quiet breach]

nice it works, ty

[hot rampart]

That was super helpful then I'm glad I asked. Thank you!