fury

[remote veldt]

This is not what i was seeing in some stream like people still don't overcap it so i'm curious if there is a scenario we overcap

[junior gale]

that was due to a bug at the time

was fixed not long after

actually idk wasnt fixed for a bit you had to pock reck ava in a certain order

for it to work

[chilly fractal]

Do you have myth chest and legs? Even then a socket would prolly be more valuable… we’re talking the lowest weighted piece of gear here

[olive wraith]

We def overcap after bs

[remote veldt]

Okay because novix look like sending directly the rampage after the bladestorm and not overcapping but was hearing we had to spam RB to make the rampage proc brutal finish

[olive wraith]

Is this for keys?

[remote veldt]

Yes i'm talking about key didin't said it mb

[fluid pollen]

Did slayer get buffed?

[olive wraith]

He’s just fishing for reap procs then

Which is probably better for aoe

[pliant fulcrum]

what do you mean the lowest piece of gear? I feel like that applies in terms of using a spark and crests on wrists too right?

[weary plume]

#announcements

[olive wraith]

There might be a target count where utilizing brutal finish>rb spam

[remote veldt]

Oh yes i see it's more clear now

I was a thane enjoyer but fuck it now slayer is so fun

[chilly fractal]

That’s why you burn the free 704 crest on crafting bracers to put Writhing on it

[pliant fulcrum]

even though it uses a s3 spark?

[sullen dove]

#updates-midnight

[chilly fractal]

What else are you thinking about crafting? A belt?

Jewelry can’t have writhing armor banding

So it’s either bracers belt or boots

[pliant fulcrum]

ahhhh, ok, thank you for clarifying!

[chilly fractal]

Boots your gonna use the ones from raid

[pliant fulcrum]

I was leaning toward belt

[chilly fractal]

Yea worry about that later

Soulbinder drops a belt

Any belt is in theory BIS because catalyst but the one off Soulbinder is near identical

[weary plume]

oop ye that one

[chilly fractal]

Craft bracers at 704 and upgrade chest or legs whichever you take

Prolly chest if you have a catalyst charge and legs if you don’t if you don’t already have either

Actually prolly legs either way… it’s really a coin flip

[edgy widget]

first boss drops chest and he's pretty puggable, so I'd likely go legs first

[signal locust]

Please dont ruin our weekend with next reset nerfs.

[woven heath]

Alright. I just did my first key since seeing these reap changes.

This is amazing.

[modest condor]

it be pumping

[chilly fractal]

Would certainly put a damper on the weekend

[summer quail]

i'm not really too worried about nerfs. tho i understand the trauma of nerubar still lingering

[frank dawn]

Nerubar palace and like almost literally every other time warrior has been pretty good*

[chilly fractal]

3 in a row would really hurt

[final vapor]

Why people going slayer for m+

i see 46 slayer and 4 fury in murlok.io

[chilly fractal]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

[final vapor]

What you mean?

[chilly fractal]

Read

[olive wraith]

There has been an update. That changed things

[woven heath]

Scroll to the part that talks about the unannounced hotfix.

[hazy tree]

So whats the rotation for slayer m+? spam RB, Ramp, WW for meat cleaver and repeat? never BT and execute only when it procs?

[final vapor]

So both raid and m+ talents are same now?

Just spam execute

[olive wraith]

Ya same with rotation

They’re both pretty much the same

There’s an argument to ignore ramp in really high target counts (just pressing to enrage)

[final vapor]

When do you use bloodthirst now? Only as filler?

[charred flint]

it feels so bad to hit loomithar web

shiet

just send it

[empty ice]

for saladbar can you cleave off one target onto the other when he's on his dragon

I was doing it out of habit yesterday but I didn't check if it was actually doing anything

[final vapor]

What is slayer aoe rotaition

Do you use execute on 3 stack or every sudden death proc?

[snow edge]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[winter shoal]

yes

[empty ice]

thanks

[twin glacier]

Eviscreate.

[woven heath]

FRENZY

Save the Dolyaks. [NUKE]

[balmy shore]

i think spell reflect sheet missing a deflect for fractal claw on salhadaar, right?

[twin glacier]

Only spell superior to frenzy is primal rage

Before nerf obvioisly

[woven heath]

When did that get added? I don't remember it.

Wasn't an elite skill was it?

[twin glacier]

Nightfall. It was the elite frenzy that gave u move speed aswell

But it’s not an og spell from prophecies and more memes attached to frenzy selfkillin warriors

[woven heath]

That does sound busted. So long ago though. I think I was really into hammers by that point, so I was using the adrenaline version.

Had the set up down to interupt RoF after KD

[twin glacier]

Quarter kd’s where pretty easy.
The ias you mean was named flail.
When u hit a bullstrike or mage strike they where usually toast with a triple chain

[latent steeple]

For Sudden Death usage on AoE, use Execute whenever you have 3 stacks of Marked for Execution on your target for Bladestorm CDR. (from critcake discord)

Does this mean during big packs, we dont send execute during kaching and hold till 3?

[red berry]

have we worked out whether or not its worth it to send bladestorm when a massive pack has 10 staccks of opportunist yet

to prioritize spamming RB

[calm ermine]

Is it suppose for Reaper to be top damage? Cuz mine is behind RB...

[sullen dove]

if they close together prolly fine

mine usually around equal

but depends if its dungeon with a bunch of little shitter aoe mobs like halls reap might be higher

vs like a streets where majority of packs are like 6 or less so rb prolly higher

[sage ether]

no shot you can reflect netherblast on nexus king platforms right?

[slate oyster]

Hello good evening, could someone post the new updated Slayer build that they are using in m+
Very thanks !

[dense elbow]

M+? Depends heavily on how things are pulled.

In keys where tanks don't go ham and dont pull things under the bosses: RB and reap dam is close, if not ending with RB in the lead overall.

So what you see is pretty normal if that is the case

[dense elbow]

#dps-faq Slayer build is there. Most iterate on a version of that

[hushed gust]

yeah, this new slayer+OF build feels really nice. just lining up your overwelm stacks and then popping roar+OF may not be optimal, but it feels very satisfying.

[dense elbow]

Nothing beats the feel. Personally I do enjoy the OF into spin opener. Also play with 1.5min roar.

Prob not optimal on the overall, but it plays great

Tho, I recommend also the OF less version, as you then dont have to 'feel' OF is being wasted on ST and pushed around in the AoE rotation
(Buff OF I beg)

[frank dawn]

this is all a setup to nerf reap, but compensate 100% with OF buff

trust

[tranquil jetty]

Im glad to see you furries having fun for one time in this expansion

[edgy widget]

if you're playing with OF, why would you not take Words + Uproar to buff it?

[slow wraith]

do any of you change SpellQueueWindow for slayer?

[olive wraith]

Maybe he hates that he needs to take 2 extra talents to make of decent

[frigid fable]

Fury got a hotfix right? I cant find the post does anyone have a link handy?

[olive wraith]

There was no blue post

[slow wraith]

with high haste I'm missing sometimes a WW refresh, or double WW doe to pressing buttons like a maniac

[frigid fable]

Oh just a stealth hotfix? Do we have info on if colossus is better for m+ now?

[quick dock]

Slayer is doing really well.

[sonic coyote]

yea slayer feels so much better then mountian finaly not have to beg to get a thunder clap Proc

[olive wraith]

#updates-midnight

[slow wraith]

@edgy widget sorry to bother you, new slayer changes some questions:
Prio RB even if you are overcapping unless:

• rampage because you are about to lose enrage
• 3 stacks of marked for execution for that sweet BS cd

[frigid fable]

Thank you

[olive wraith]

Why ping the man 🤣

[quasi fractal]

i've had some success using the inputlagfix addon, spell queueing has not felt right to me this season

feels like every couple of gcds an ability is getting eaten at high haste

[slow wraith]

exactly this is what I'm feeling

[hushed gust]

slayer's gcd seems much faster than thane's, yeah.

[quasi fractal]

on the raid build at least im sitting at 72% while enraged and fully rampage stacked

[olive wraith]

Slayer generally has higher haste

[quasi fractal]

when lust gets used my hands hurt

[slow wraith]

I'll try that addon and see

[quasi fractal]

theres a couple different presets i was using 4, it almost removes spellqueuing entirely which took some time sitting at the dummy to get used to. But i havent had a problem where it felt like the ability shouldve gone off and it didnt since i got used to the timing.

[onyx musk]

Its probably because thane uses powerful enrage and slayer is frenzied enrage

[hushed gust]

an answer isn't necessary, i'm more than fine with the speed. elated, even. scpheen more.

[slim coral]

what are the questions

[onyx musk]

true, high haste and speed feels less clunky

[slow wraith]

ugh, true, question is what I wrote okay?

hahaha

[woven valley]

just timed a 14 halls

with like 40 seconds to go

[slim coral]

yes those statements are true

[woven valley]

i was scurred

[slow wraith]

much love, thanks

[upbeat cedar]

Think theres definitely a middle ground.. sometimes with frenzied enraged shits too fast.

[slim coral]

you can ramp if you want to reduce your cds as well for the next pack

[hushed gust]

13 gambit with 2/3 seconds left.

[slow wraith]

been wanting slayer comeback in m+ since those 200 nerfs in season 1

it's the time boys, blast it before it's nerfed!

[woven valley]

im loving slayer in mplus

spinning every 2 miliseconds is awesome

[hushed gust]

near-permament bladestorm. it's what we're meant to be, man

[slow wraith]

yup, loving leaving in the dust in overall the other dps

[quasi fractal]

they change it all as soon as im done with the m+ grind for the season tragic

[hushed gust]

jokes on you for turboing so fast XD

[quasi fractal]

i'll get to enjoy it on the weekly crest grind i suppose

[dense elbow]

Tragic indeed. Tho I dont expect any huge nerfs if at all

Maybe tune down the (4) reap from 150 to 125, something minor. If we are oppressive in low keys

[slow wraith]

do you imagine they even buff OF more? and not nerf us?

man, one can dream right?

[edgy widget]

follow the normal rotation, you're just spamming RB instead of using BT

[dense elbow]

Doubt we will see OF buffs till the hero talent changes and apex talents

[slow wraith]

like, being top top dog in dps because we don't havy many utilities like we are meant to be

[plucky wedge]

OF is just 1 too many buttons for my set up haha

[dense elbow]

Being around top, I agree, not too overall. As our prio dam is also huge

[slow wraith]

I still think giving BL to warrior is not hat crazy

[edgy widget]

we did some preliminary testing on purposefully delaying Rampage to spam RB vs just sending as normal and it came out p much dead even - basically you're gaining some extra RB/Reap damage, but losing Rampage/Reck/BS, which makes it kind of a wash

[rocky sequoia]

icyveins says bloodthirst should be kept on cooldown but idk if that seems right

[edgy widget]

guide builds have been updated, but rotations haven't yet, because this is brand new shit that came out 2 days ago - see #updates-midnight and #1273899855852339200 for more info in the meantime

[slow wraith]

thanks for the info

[rocky sequoia]

oh nice

[slow wraith]

I was sending RB while enraged and had WW buff not caring if I overcapped

but if it's the same... hmmm dunno, seeing reap on top of the damage is kinda fun

[dense elbow]

Yep, esp when it is the tier (4)

[edgy widget]

there may be fringe cases where it matters more or less, but it doesn't seem to make a pronounced difference either way - I would highly recommend trying to time CDs to have BS available for each fresh pack though

• this doesn't mean "don't use bladestorm twice on the same pack" just try to get a feel for how quickly the pack is dying/fast your tank is pulling and whether using Bladestorm a second time means you won't have it back up in time for the next pack - you can generally expect a ~20-25s CD on it

[hushed gust]

my big worry is they won't recognize that the 4-piece is doing a lot of the heavy lifting, and next season we just fall flat on our faces again.

[dense elbow]

Don't worry, we get pumped on beta, then shot one week into the release

First they got to give, or they can't take it away after all

[edgy widget]

I may be able to update guide rotations w/ more step-by-step instructions tomorrow

[olive wraith]

That’s just kinda how mmos are though

Peaks and valleys

[slow wraith]

only thing I'm asking is that if fury is doing great in raid because of adds, they check it before nerfing it to the ground so they don't fuck us up in M+ like season 1

[hushed gust]

agreed

[dense elbow]

As long we dont get a buffed OF, ya got little to fear from that

[olive wraith]

We have no burst atm

[edgy widget]

there's been little to no change in raid - Slayer has gotten closer on fights that Thane was ahead on, but not really overtaking it

[upbeat cedar]

Bladestorms pretty bursty i'd say

[edgy widget]

and the fights Slayer was already ahead on are predominantly single target anyway (minus Nexus King, but the multitarget portion is rather limited in the first place)

[olive wraith]

It’s really not

[upbeat cedar]

Just not the same as dbl of

[slow wraith]

nope, at least comparing with other classes cd's

[edgy widget]

its bursty in the sense that it does a lot of damage in 3s, but not bursty in the sense that the damage falls off very quickly after that - by the time you're 20s in, the real burst classes will have far surpassed it

[olive wraith]

Flat damage profile has been good for us so far this season so I’ll take it

[tough ember]

For Slayer I'm unsure what my issue is but I seem to be nailing similar dps to ST and 5+ sims but I can't for the life of get even remotely close for 3man cleaves. Is there a diff rotation prio for 3 targets vs 5+?

[edgy widget]

on the other hand, you get it back up in 20s, whereas those other classes are more 90/120/180s CDs

[olive wraith]

But I do like having some burst

[slow wraith]

S1 was a blast

[edgy widget]

no, but w/ only 3 targets you're naturally going to have less reap damage

[tough ember]

So its moreso sim is prefect reap and I'm just not getting that

[edgy widget]

both because you're only hitting 3 targets and because you have 3/5 as much chance to proc

[slow wraith]

having my tank and healer curse me because I could take aggro so easily

[edgy widget]

no there shouldn't really be any sim difference

what situation are you routinely dealing with 3 targets anyway? it's not exactly common

[oblique thistle]

I've experienced this a couple of times this season, its very funny

[edgy widget]

only thing I can think of is Soul Hunters and sims are not at all representative of that fight

[tough ember]

Would be for soulhunters primarily I believe

[slow wraith]

I've always felt BS is bugged with aggro

[oblique thistle]

play thane on soul hunters

[slow wraith]

specially on shadowlands, that was weird

[tough ember]

yeah I agree but I'm hitting about 5m vs a sim of 7m which I think is odd for me

[edgy widget]

Yeah you can't compare a sim w/ 3 perma uptime targets against soul hunters in which all three targets are constantly moving

[tough ember]

yeah have been but was curious for a change

[edgy widget]

Slayer does work rather well on Soul Hunters, but I believe Thane is still easier/more forgiving

[oblique thistle]

thane defo more forgiving because of the range on tblast

[olive wraith]

Hitting 5m in raid or on dummies

[tough ember]

5M on dummies i should be more specific

[edgy widget]

if anything, I'd call them relatively even at the moment; Thane has a little more RNG, but it's also way easier to actually hit targets due to the greater range on TClap, and Slayer has a harder time swapping targets due to mark

[olive wraith]

Are you simming patchwerk

[edgy widget]

and recent logs also seem to suggest that slayer and thane are both performing quite similarly

[oblique thistle]

its cool that you have options now

[edgy widget]

though more people have been playing Slayer since the reset

[calm mantle]

5.49m in logs on Loom heroic and it's only a 95 parse, that's crazy

[oblique thistle]

Personally I prefer thane on that fight just because of its ease of use, the movement is quite chaotic

[edgy widget]

yeah same

though my kill this week was anything but clean lol

[tough ember]

needed to double check yes is there a difference vs patchwerk and dummy I've genuinely never tired

[oblique thistle]

kills a kill at least haha

[edgy widget]

1st percentile execution ranking! #1 means it's good right? .....right?

[olive wraith]

Patch has raid buffs. So that’ll contribute some difference

[white relic]

My biggest fear is that this was unintended and is going to be removed

[edgy widget]

can't live in fear of things that might happen

[quasi fractal]

it feels strange that the aoe looking move didnt hit aoe in teh first place

[edgy widget]

that said, if your biggest fear is that you might get nerfed in a video game, life must be pretty swell

or... very bad, I'm not sure which

[olive wraith]

Which?

[tough ember]

gave it a swap still about 1.9m behind it I think I might just need to practice or thane for soul hunter lol

[quasi fractal]

reap

[olive wraith]

It did aoe

[quasi fractal]

was that not the change or am i reading wrong

[olive wraith]

You’re reading wrong lol

[oblique thistle]

I'm staying hopeful that they're either going to look the other way or announce it as an intentional change that was just pushed early or something

[quasi fractal]

oh never mind i can read now

yeah nevermind that does look a tad unintended guess we'll see

[oblique thistle]

people seem to be having fun with it and enjoy having a more competitive choice between two hero talents in M+, its honestly a really good state for the hero talents to be in

both have their merrits

[olive wraith]

Blast while it’s here and don’t look back

Get your Rio now

[olive wraith]

Idk. There’s no good reason to pick that based on performance

Thane*

[oblique thistle]

If you want more AOE, seems fine to pick thane

like if your group already has really strong ST/funnel

[olive wraith]

It doesn’t do much more

[oblique thistle]

more importantly, I dont think you're totally griefing your damage because you prefer thane and want to play it either

[olive wraith]

And slayer does way more in st

Oh no you’re not griefing

[obtuse karma]

The new reap doesnt look intentional if at all. Why go undocumented

[olive wraith]

But there’s no competitive reason to play thane

[obtuse karma]

Fun while it lasts kind of thing

[slow wraith]

because buffing warrior is a sin they have to hide that

[olive wraith]

They’ve buffed warrior a bunch this season dude

[slow wraith]

it's a jooooke

[edgy widget]

lmfao

[obtuse karma]

xd

[edgy widget]

https://tenor.com/view/so-old-gif-27277116

mfw

[slim coral]

its ok warriors best years are still yet to happen

midnight will be our expansion

[slow wraith]

[edgy widget]

still behind DK though, right?

[slow wraith]

[slim coral]

hell no our rework will be legendary

[olive wraith]

I’ll take 2nd-5th place

[edgy widget]

ok now I know you're high on

[oblique thistle]

I never want to be meta ever again after what they did to us in S1

[edgy widget]

wasn't even meta in S1 lol

[earnest spear]

Warrior needs a BL warcry

[oblique thistle]

In raid we were godlike, at least at the very beginning

M+ different story of course

[slow wraith]

no meta at least not in M+ thing was, fury cd's were spot on for adds on raid

[edgy widget]

Fury hasn't been meta in a long time, not since BfA (and even then only kinda barely)
closest we got was DF S2, but then Aug showed up

[slow wraith]

had to nuke it

[slow wraith]

oooh BFA the cold steel build, fun times

[oblique thistle]

Regardless, where we are right now seems to be a very cozy spot

just solid all around

If they cook a good rework for us and we maintain this kind of position balance wise I think we're in for a good xpac

[slow wraith]

I'll still say that another dps with way more utilities pulling ahead of us doesn't feel right, but, as you said I'll take it, fury is very good this season

[olive wraith]

For what reason

[oblique thistle]

gives us a little more value in the group finder, but obviously it won't move the needle much

[arctic pivot]

yeah it would be nice to get invited for once in keys

[oblique thistle]

It would just be a nice thing to have for specific comps I feel

[slow wraith]

this

[olive wraith]

Would it?

What’s the best physical comp right now

Don’t we bring shammy

[oblique thistle]

I mean I've seen plenty of groups in the group finder with no lust applying, or a class with a lust that doesn't really have good synergy with anything in your group

esp when a monk and a rogue are in the group already

waiting for a lust healer can be grueling sometimes

[olive wraith]

Mm hunter is better than us

[rocky sequoia]

but they have awful transmog therefor they trash

[oblique thistle]

Sure, but rating and ilvl are more important in that environment

[graceful fog]

Is the server down for EU Tarren mill? I can’t enter world. It says World server is down

[edgy widget]

just get drums, natural lust is overrated

[slow wraith]

[oblique thistle]

I have done this a few times myself actually, it works pretty well

[olive wraith]

But then you also have to compete with prot war even more

[earnest canyon]

Are we in week 3 or 4

of season 3?

[edgy widget]

4

[oblique thistle]

unless you run your own key of course

[earnest canyon]

baaaaah....finally killed dimensius on HC last night, I thought it was week 3

[edgy widget]

fun fight

[olive wraith]

Right but if I’m running my own key I’m probably bringing mm/rsham

[oblique thistle]

which then you can invite whatever you want and make sure your group is balanced

[tender sky]

Reap is absolutely wildin

Spin 2 win

[oblique thistle]

but if you want to wait for a lust healer sometimes people get impatient, it takes a really long time, people start leaving, you have to refill dps, etc

its annoying as shit

[olive wraith]

And also. That wasn’t the original argument lol

[oblique thistle]

right in the case of applying to keys obviously you're going to be competing with prot, adding a lust doesn't change that

[earnest canyon]

was, biggest issue was moving lust from p1 to p3....we had been using it p1 just to get to p3 faster and get more reps in. Anyway, idk what we do now, its a guild rule to not do mythic, and its such a mix....we have some people hard carried, average joes like me, and some people that could easily do mythic but have familes/cant commit etc

[oblique thistle]

but in a group that already has a tank it does give you at least some value

but as I said originally, I dont think it would move the needle that much anyways

[olive wraith]

Exactly us getting lust won’t change anything lol

[oblique thistle]

you're a dps applying to keys

[uneven plaza]

Where are the nerfs?

[oblique thistle]

it was a nightmare you can rest now

[olive wraith]

I personally applied them to your character

[earnest canyon]

lmao

[uneven plaza]

time to slam some keys today

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1413388662653059102/reaptech.gif?ex=68bbc044&is=68ba6ec4&hm=3ed75d2f6262c4168194294e9a1f8afd87e4c44078c3840ce7b11d353d3dd3b5&

[tender sky]

…so with reap 2 win is crushing force even worth taking anymore? Can swap to honed reflexes+1 rando

[tender sky]

[slow wraith]

this ia art

[olive wraith]

We still cast bt via unhinged

[upbeat cedar]

I was moreso speaking from a raid context (add spawns that usually wont live too long) but yeah i understand that in an m+ pull it gets shit on by what other classes can do for sure

[tender sky]

Ok sure but like, what’s the damage gain for those 2 points

Get alllll the utility

[olive wraith]

Then go ahead

[edgy widget]

it's worth ~0.6% in ST, and much less in multitarget, but the real issue is that there isn't much else to take

• if you drop Crushing Force, you have to take Honed Reflexes to continue pathing down the left side, which means you really only free up one point rather than two - you can take Rally/Rumbling, Bitter Immunity, or (my personal favorite options) Wrecking Throw/Concussive Blows, but you're not getting anything super special out of it

[oblique thistle]

and then you get to the boss

(In M+ context)

[quasi fractal]

we can take our super op raid wide ralley? oh boy

[edgy widget]

I actually did start taking Rally again, over Second Wind - Rally still sucks, but I've not really found any place that Second Wind is worth a damn either so

[tender sky]

I could see a world in m+ where you’d drop it idk off the top of my head where wrecking throw is value

[olive wraith]

10% is something lol

[nova lintel]

can someone explain to me why the 3 best in slot trinket for 5 targets (m+) on blood mallet all give crit, when crit is the bottom stat for fury stats

[edgy widget]

on paper

[edgy widget]

they're not really best because of the crit

[oblique thistle]

All stats are good

[tender sky]

It’s also gives your team better mental that you are helping lol

[edgy widget]

but crit isn't far behind other stats either

[olive wraith]

Crit is pretty good. Apparently he’s collecting rank 1 parses

[tender sky]

Thanks!

[nova lintel]

ahh okay the wording on the guide on wowhead made it seem otherwise, at least how i interpreted it. my reading comprehension might be bad

[white tapir]

Guys, are We sending BT on 100% crit chance as Noxi said or just pure RB and execute with 3 stack of mark of execution?

[edgy widget]

if you're using the #1273899855852339200 you can also drop Improved Bloodthirst for Invigorating Fury

• I've never really felt like I needed a stronger/longer Enraged Regen, but Imp BT is also only worth ~0.6% in ST (and less in MT), so it's not a major loss if you do feel like the extra defense will be helpful

[olive wraith]

If you’re looking at the stat prio. It does note that it’s a very general prio

Simming is and will always be the best way to get the highest theoretical damage

[oblique thistle]

simply play the build that doesn't take bloodcraze and its never a problem ever again 🙂

[edgy widget]

I mean crit is still generally the weakest stat, but the diff between a stat weight of 50 and 48 is not all that big in practice

[olive wraith]

For slayer?

[hardy shuttle]

The 10% bonus damage after kicking is pretty hype in some dungeons too

Ara kara in particular

[oblique thistle]

ah yeah for the mini bosses

I didnt even consider that

[edgy widget]

no, he was probably doing it because he still had CSHB, but I've since dropped that from the primary build anyway

[stuck kernel]

Wait a minute, what build are you talking about ?

[edgy widget]

you do still keep Bloodcraze, but that's only because you have to take it to path to Deft Experience

[hardy shuttle]

And the overseers or w/e the guys are at the end

[oblique thistle]

true ture

true even

[rocky locust]

Is Alchemical Chaos still the best Flask when not using Tempered Potions?

[white tapir]

So basically just ignore the stacks and spam RB and exe on 3 stacks

[slim coral]

Our apex talents will save us

[slim coral]

Yes

[edgy widget]

I've not really bothered to look but probably - better question is why not use potions (if only the cheaper ranks)

I do frequently like to use Vers flasks in M+, but that's just cause I'm a big fan of living

[edgy widget]

exe is not held for 3 stacks, but yes, you can ignore CSHB/Bloodcraze/ditch the Bloodthirst weakaura

[white tapir]

So does Exe have prio on SD to reduce cd on BS?

[edgy widget]

yeah it has a different priority from last season - there's a weakaura for it in #1237307732705415228, or you can just send it whenever SD lights up for around a 0.5% loss

if you wanna optimize, you send it w/ 2+ Marks, 2 stacks of Sudden Death, if Ashen Juggernaut is falling off, or w/ 1+ Mark below 20% (only in single target)

[quasi fractal]

lots of thinking me zug instead

[vague copper]

Is sim updated with the "new" changes?

[olive wraith]

Ya

[strong dust]

is there a macro for stances? so if im in berserk stance it swaps to def stance and vice versa? so i can save keybinds

[hearty kestrel]

Yes

[olive wraith]

There was a pin in prot I think

That toggled battle and d

Just swap the battle for zerk

[strong dust]

fount it, thank yall ❤️

[vague copper]

My armsbuild sim like 3M more in a 7-target cleave and ~1,5 more in 5-target cleave

So I was not wrong when it felt like arms is bigger for me 😛

[oblique thistle]

But your ST will be stinky

[olive wraith]

Also depends on what parameters you did

[vague copper]

I just went with 5-boss and 7-boss cleave nothing more to it

[olive wraith]

And time?

[vague copper]

But ofc everything aint 5+ cleave in m+

[hearty kestrel]

Having stinker ST cant be worth 1-2m extra dps some pulls one aoe

[vague copper]

5 min so might short that

[olive wraith]

Also wondering why you chose 7t

[oblique thistle]

Depends on what you find more important
Maybe your group already has good ST so you take the extra AOE by playing arms
Maybe you also, y'know... Just prefer arms

[vague copper]

Many pulls are 7+

In m+

[olive wraith]

Ya but why only 7 lol

[vague copper]

Yeah well 🙂

[undone flower]

So why you don’t do 7+

[vague copper]

You have to put anything 😛

or something

[hearty kestrel]

Does any1 prefer arms? 😅

[undone flower]

Like 8-9-10

[vague copper]

Anyway 1.30 min fight on 5 and 7 target make the diff even bigger for me and arms pulls ahead.

[oblique thistle]

Sure, plenty of people do
Anecdotally I have a friend who is an arms ride or die
Even though I think the spec desperately needs a rework, I also think that plenty of people still enjoy it at it's core

[hearty kestrel]

I like the class fantasy of arms, but for me it felt shit to play

[vague copper]

I like both, but atm arms pull ahead for me.. But then again I might master arms better then fury as last season/years have been as arms 😛

[olive wraith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1234949058121171069/1412903541672116335/cf5bf04f3ef07460a75e27e4fe34fb58.png?ex=68bb4df6&is=68b9fc76&hm=3ca4584cc593f0217c87637285ac5a9ff06d14d271ec15babb3e5e6f39451392&

Just fyi

[oblique thistle]

This is honestly more important than anything. If you have a playstyle preference or feel more comfortable with something, that's the thing you should be going for anyways

Last season arms was clearly the better choice but I played fury whenever I had to dps because that's what I feel more comfortable playing

[left pasture]

Hello what is the build odyn furys ?

[vague copper]

10 targets 1:30

Its not a small diff 🙂

But, I might do something wrong.. 😛

And my gear is more focused on arms as I went for that to start with

[olive wraith]

That oh doesn’t help much

[vague copper]

Nop

But that is what I have atm 😛

[warm wharf]

anyone else getting "world server down" when trying to log in?

[fading geyser]

yeah world server is dead

[olive wraith]

I’m just saying it’s not really an equal sim lol. Don’t think too much of it

[vague copper]

Think I need to get some more furygear to see what happens

Fury pulls ahead on singletarget with ~600k

But dont think that make it better overall atm 😛

[cedar bloom]

is slayer suppose to sim higher than thane?

[sullen dove]

in st yes in low target aoe probably yes

prolly even in high target aoe

saying thane better just smells like cope

but its ok slayer kneecapped inc

if clown devs dont also nerf like dk / feral /havoc tho they are actually just beyond help

[cedar bloom]

no idea why my slayer simmed 5.39 mil in dungeon slice and than 5.7mil

[bitter palm]

surely

[sullen dove]

"oh no warrior got within 10% of the dps of the top m+ spec"

[junior gale]

only specs getting nerfed tomorrow is fury and Arcane, but Fire will get omega buffed dont worry

[sullen dove]

"better fix that"

[bitter palm]

"fury performing too well in raid"

(only like 5 dps warriors on nexus king and dimensius)

[olive wraith]

@chilly plume can confirm you can mfe cleaved targets (3 mfe total on secondary targets in 5 mins)Sd consuming cleaved mfe does not reapply

[sullen dove]

fury and performing well in raid in same sentence

lul

[forest owl]

anyone else having issues with eu servers? just got endless loading screen

hmm i can login with alts but not the main its just a load screen then 'world server is down'

[olive wraith]

Oh why did I tag redspongie wtf

[rigid quest]

Yes, I am having issues also.

[rigid quest]

Is your Main in Dornogal? I did read that some people were getting on alts who weren't in Dornogal.

[uneven plaza]

make second wind last through DoTs and only fall of when wenget „direct“ damage (melee hits, Soak initial hit,..)

[forest owl]

yes dornogal

[rigid quest]

My Remix Alt is in Elwynn Forest - Can long on to that one just fine. Everyone else is in Dornogal and borked lol

[edgy widget]

unfortunately that would end up crazy strong

it's just kind of a flawed talent

[uneven plaza]

indeed

[charred birch]

i personally cant login to any of my lvl 80 characters but i could login to a few lvl 70 characters i tried.. and they could enter dornogal and kill stuff in the zones etc.. yay!

i c ould actually login to a 80 character that happened to stand in undermine, maybe its just a dornogal thing as you said

[queen marten]

But did we got fixed already?

[rigid quest]

Interestingly, my Remix alt is 70, sooooo.... 😄

[queen marten]

Or better said "patched"

[left pasture]

Does anyone have a 22M ODYN fury sim???

[charred birch]

brought world server down to hotfix fury

[queen marten]

It was a real question tho

[umbral gull]

Just woke up the dream continue ?

[rigid quest]

The dream is currently stalled. After a patch, Dornogal is down - unable to load the entirety of warrior testosterone.

[shell parcel]

Ok fellas I just saw the slayer thing (idk how I missed that) what is the consensus for keys now go slayer or thane?

[bitter palm]

slayer

[graceful brook]

noob question, is it ok to use Hekili for rotation? I've been using it for a long time, I basically view it as a replacement for the WAs. Does it have the latest Slayer changes (regarding prio) implemented, I know I should read the release logs, but maybe some other people use that addon.

[bitter palm]

thane is good too but slayer is better

[shell parcel]

Damn

Cool thanks

[bitter palm]

i never used hekili but it should just follow the apl

i dont recommend using hekili outside of learning

[graceful brook]

ye, I know that, I'm so used visually to it, basically having it for the whole expansion

[iron portal]

well

When They nuke it next expac

[rigid quest]

Agreed. Hekili is like having the racing line on in a Driving Sim.

[iron portal]

Better start getting used to single button rotation

[undone flower]

I never used hekili but I recommend hekili>blizzard hekili, if you have to choose between the 2

[iron portal]

I wonder if they will actually nuke it

I actually dont know

[graceful brook]

well, just purely on time span - i'm not a fresh player, I've been using it for 2 expansions

I don't trust it on other classes, but warrior has been consistent.

[bitter palm]

i feel like fury is especially bad for it

[graceful brook]

I do my openers, just like I should.

[bitter palm]

very fast paced and proc heavy

[graceful brook]

Doesnt the spell flash on the WAs have the same effect? I mean, u basically decide what to press

or the conditions behind that WA tell you that, by printing the hint

[iron portal]

only WA we use really these days is execute WA

[graceful brook]

well, i see people using dosens of WA packs, Critcake has that, other streamers too.

[olive wraith]

Those wa don’t tell you what to press

[random shadow]

the WA packs youre talking about are just trackers

for CDS

[graceful brook]

they flash the right spell, that's ready to press

[olive wraith]

I’m also unsure if hekili has updated to latest apl

[graceful brook]

ok, not debating, just how i view it

[olive wraith]

I’m pretty sure crit doesn’t have a wa that flashes and tells him what to press

It might be procs or buffs

But it’s a different thing

[late stratus]

¨The class weakauras just tracks ur spells/cds and obviously when they proc (they do on normal ui too)

But any warrior class weakaura is pretty much good thesedays

[undone flower]

He has lot of glows, but doesn’t press on glow, he would press lot of 100% BT crit

[graceful brook]

I see, it's gonna be tough to addapt without that addon, muscle and visual memory built on it

[iron portal]

How can you have muscle memory built on addon .
I get that you have visually memorised and reaction time improved

[magic sorrel]

Same. I don't necessarily need it, but it has served as a good point of reference and I'm visually used to it being there.

[olive wraith]

Ye that’s the downside of relying on hekili for long periods of time

[graceful brook]

well, when you have a sequence of 3 spells, and you already kinda predict what you're gonna press

It's a process now of rewiring

[undone flower]

That’s why I don’t recommend hekili at all, but I’m not saying it too loud, because I never used it, I try to not overshare my experience learning the game

[iron portal]

Then you got used to APL priority

when New fury build comes out in new expac, how do you get used to that

Only by getting used to new priorities, not to addon imo

[graceful brook]

I mean, it was rather spot on with

[olive wraith]

He’s not saying hekili is wrong

[graceful brook]

I had good parses

[undone flower]

Heroic parses I guess

[graceful brook]

Obviously I wasn't blindly following it

Openers are totally different, many spells that I decide to use situationally - I've ignored from the suggestion (you can disable those).

[olive wraith]

I guess I’m just confused as to why you need it on your screen then

[edgy widget]

man wants to learn, don't need to judge him

[olive wraith]

That’s not what I’m saying

[undone flower]

Yes I try to not overshare myself because idk how different ppl learn

[olive wraith]

He’s not using it to learn at this point t

[edgy widget]

I mean fact checking is a type of learning - press a button, notice if it's the same or diff from what was recommended, think about why that might be

[graceful brook]

It's a funny thing, tbf - I'm playing war for 3 expansions, I though of being above average. At least in keys I'm not that bad. But I kinda based on that addon, might sound silly.

[magic sorrel]

I mean, the "heroic parses" comment was a hair condescending.

[edgy widget]

idk I've seen some horrible UIs; my MT has three identical bone shield WAs on his screen at the same time

so having Hekili up without strictly following it is probably the least offensive thing I've seen

[warm umbra]

Heroic parses are a good indicator

[rigid quest]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-up-dry-heave-vomit-gross-eww-gif-23254758

[undone flower]

Not really condescending, I know lot of people who use hekili who had 99s in heroic but green in mythic

[iron portal]

Was a bit mate 🤣

[olive wraith]

Is 99 heroic really a green mythic parse. If similar dps

[edgy widget]

gear plays a big factor in parsing heroic
assuming they're not very undergeared, green parses are often an indication of messy kills and player death, more so than poor rotations

[graceful brook]

I dunno, is this that bad? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/91789470?zone=45

[edgy widget]

M+ ranks are kind of fake

[graceful brook]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/91789470?zone=43

[rigid quest]

Love the guild name 😄

[olive wraith]

Ya I was more asking for raid parses

[undone flower]

Single button rotation gives you around 75 parse in heroic

[warm umbra]

I’d argue hc parses are a better indicator of pressing the correct dps buttons than mythic, most often its prog kills with downtime and defensive buttons

[edgy widget]

that's not a critique of yours either way, I'm just saying that it's very hard to directly compare M+ performance when there are so many diff permuations of comps/pull cadence/etc to swing things

[quasi fractal]

parses are more indicitave of your teammates more often than not, you have to play well sure but so does everyone else

[edgy widget]

to a degree, yes

[quasi fractal]

if youre the only one doing damage the further the boss dies from lust the lower your dps will be

[olive wraith]

That wasn’t the question

[graceful brook]

well, I don't have hc parses on raid, normal - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/91789470

[edgy widget]

it all factors into one another

[undone flower]

There is a reason at one point guilds don’t even look at heroic parses

[edgy widget]

if you're getting purples, the boss is dying, and you're not, you're doing fine

• is it perhaps the best? no
• does it necessarily need to be? no
• is it because of anything you're doing wrong? maybe, but not necessarily

[olive wraith]

I don’t mythic raid I genuinely don’t know

[ashen geyser]

M+ > Raiding

[olive wraith]

Ye I’m a key only kind of guy

[undone flower]

I don’t fully know why I don’t care myself about heroic tbf

[olive wraith]

It’s more I don’t have a good schedule/timezone for raid

[radiant plank]

[graceful brook]

I mean, my links were just to show the "performance" purelly based on hekili

[olive wraith]

I’m not doubting hekili lol

[rigid quest]

There are server issues at the moment.

[fiery tide]

they are restarting servers

[mental bridge]

All chars done 😁

[olive wraith]

Not even a hekili hater

[graceful brook]

I don't have isses with arms, Fury is more demanding for me - higher paced, I'd say much higher APM

[edgy widget]

I'm not saying don't compare yourself and try to get better, but it's also a never ending rabbit hole of looking for improvement, where there isn't always any to gain - ultimately you won't compete against people with more gear, faster kills, or groups with better players; that's just the nature of things

[pale lava]

if everyone would purple parse a boss then it would fall off in a really smooth way

[edgy widget]

so by all means, yes analyze your performance... but you have to learn where the limit of sanity is and stop when you get there

[iron portal]

Compete with yourself

And beat yourself

https://tenor.com/view/fightclub-punch-work-reaction-mrw-gif-4970584

[undone flower]

Context rabbit hole

[warm umbra]

Orange and pink shiny looks nice ✨

[charred birch]

surrender to madness

[graceful brook]

I do enjoy slayer, but hate thane as an arms main

[olive wraith]

How come?

[undone flower]

Thunderclap trauma as arms ?

[graceful brook]

seems much more "flowing" and smooth, thane is disruption

[edgy widget]

honestly this is a good mindset, and it's what I mostly do. I'm well beyond the point of caring about chasing R1 parses, nor am I in a guild that's hardcore enough to consistently get them anyway

I still get them occasionally, and it feels nice when it happens, but what I really do is just think about what I did wrong the week before and what I can do better this week - if I get a good parse in the process, it's just a little prize

[graceful brook]

But I'll have to deal with the hekili thing now

[olive wraith]

Did you get a chance to look if hekili was updated

[graceful brook]

well. haven't found the notes on fury

[olive wraith]

Our apl did get updated idk if you saw it or if it got lost in the convo

[graceful brook]

It was suggesting rampage much more often that I'd use it based on the new prio

[olive wraith]

We still use ramp a lot

[edgy widget]

if its telling you to RB in high target count AoE, then its updated; if its still telling you to BT, then it's not

I imagine it has some kind of change log anyway

[olive wraith]

There was a very tiny difference in rb spam ignoring over cap as opposed to using ramp before you cap

[graceful brook]

well, BT when not enraged

[iron portal]

I just compete with friends I raid with for couple of years now . So there is always some healthy competition and banter. And you can improve via any source you deem worthy.

[graceful brook]

also, it suggests execute without stacking

[fiery tide]

do we know if its better to use rampage when we can in high target count or just use it to keep enrage up?

[olive wraith]

Huh that’s odd

[iron portal]

It might be cause juggernaut stuck running out or...?

Idk how hekili works tbh

[olive wraith]

Do you have exe wa?

[iron portal]

How detailed it can get

[edgy widget]

well within variance, it doesn't really seem to matter

[graceful brook]

you mean the SD condition?

[olive wraith]

Ya

[graceful brook]

ye, hekili hints on using it on proc

[magic osprey]

Can't get into game and I was finally going to gear my warrior for this season 😭

[undone flower]

Stacking overwhelmed ?

[graceful brook]

yes

[olive wraith]

Weird that hekili doesn’t match the exe conditions

[undone flower]

It is expected, the apl doesn’t have overwhelmed conditions on some executes

[graceful brook]

probably that

[undone flower]

Which is expected since bladestorm on pull in sims

[olive wraith]

There’s overwhelmed conditions for execute? Huh

[charred birch]

personally, especially when i learn a new spec, i wanna understand why dmg is low/high, just to get a receipt that im doing things correctly.. and that i understand the reasons why i might be doing low dmg in certain scenarios.. and when you get to the point you feel you decently well understand the spec, you can just play and not worry too much

[graceful brook]

ye, it's not counting on 2 stacks

[olive wraith]

Sir that’s mfe

[graceful brook]

basically hints using execute on SD proc

[undone flower]

there is not, but in reality you can wait to proc some overwhelmed stacks with BT if you start fully BS naked

[olive wraith]

Are you combining mfe and overwhelmed

In your head

[undone flower]

i'm combining sudden death/ raging blow with overwhelmed stacks

[olive wraith]

Overwhelmed isn’t a conditional for execute though

[graceful brook]

i mean, raging blow - it's clear, you BS on a new pack, keep WW to have the cleave

and spam it

[edgy widget]

I didn't add any Overwhelmed conditions to the APL yet, since the vast majority of sims are done w/ permanent targets, and since Bladestorm is always used first, Overwhelmed never falls off

• I'll look at adding somre more polish over the weekend to better handle fringe cases/hekili recommendations in situations w/ temporary targets

[prime bane]

if the floodgate weapon just absolutely will not drop for you and you are so sick of the dungeon, what would you get instead?

[fiery tide]

araz weapo ig

[edgy widget]

any other weapon

[olive wraith]

Whatever sims good

Eco dome has smaller loot pool

[rigid quest]

Thanks for all your hard work.

[iron portal]

Give the man burrito

[undone flower]

because you have BS on pull, should hold bs for the next pack, but i still have to know how to have a tier set if i don't have bs

[prime bane]

yeah i saw the eco dome weapon

[olive wraith]

We were talking about execute though

[prime bane]

vers isn't exactly the worse thing ever

[edgy widget]

if you're farming a M+ drop weapon, then you're going to eventually replace it with a M+ vault weapon anyway, so just get whatever you can use right now and don't worry about min/maxing stats

and no, vers is actually quite good for Fury

[olive wraith]

And why it’s having him press it on sd proc

There are no overwhelmed exe conditionals

[graceful brook]

probably no conditions or "ifs" in hekili

[edgy widget]

there are no overwhelmed conditions on Execute, that is correct and intentional

[olive wraith]

Hekili follows the apl

[prime bane]

as soon as we come ou t of bladestorm we should at least press one raging blow before pressing anything else correct?

[undone flower]

yes, execute is a part of it, because it is mfe stack rolling, tier set motor starting

[olive wraith]

Which is why I’m confused

[graceful brook]

that's why I razed the topic

[edgy widget]

yes you generally spam it until Enrage is falling off or RB charges run out

[bright ledge]

are my stats good? thats with not food/flask

[prime bane]

yeah that's not how hekili is working even with pushing the apl manually

[olive wraith]

Apl shouldn’t have you pressing sd on proc though

[cobalt relic]

no way

NO WAY

[graceful brook]

Archi, just explained it

[thorn cobalt]

@ Tettles GET OFF UR PC

[edgy widget]

it will prio Exe @ 2 stacks

that might be what's happening

[split comet]

Like rage cap?

[edgy widget]

no

• enrage is falling off
• or rb charges run out

[hushed gust]

I can say you’re at least hitting the ballpark so to speak. A bit more crit and verse could do you good, but that’ll likely come with ilvl.

[edgy widget]

you don't want more crit as Fury

[undone flower]

it can at 2, but if you have 0 overwhelmed, just 1 meatcleaved BT before using it can be big win / in the no bs situation

[pale lava]

khaz algar is fucked

[edgy widget]

I mean its not going to hurt you, but it's not a priority stat

[olive wraith]

Brother you’re mixing up mfe and overwhelmed

[bright ledge]

I get a lot of crit because my 2 trinkets (cursed stone idol and astral antenna) i get to like 20k+ of crit in a good pull

[olive wraith]

Just keep simming as you get more gear and you’re gucci

[undone flower]

there are 2 sudden death here

[edgy widget]

yes and neither of them have to do with overwhelmed

[olive wraith]

Where does it say overwhelmed

[bright ledge]

i never learned how to sim x_X

[edgy widget]

that said, you are correct (for a different reason), that if you don't have overwhelmed you should prio BT instead of RB - that does not have influence on Exe tho

no

[undone flower]

the start of the discussion was that it don't have overwhelm in the apl

[bright ledge]

wait are hekili doing bad rotation?

[olive wraith]

Brother I said that lmao

[undone flower]

but you have to care about overhwelm in reality

[edgy widget]

I'm giving up on tryin to follow this conversation and going to bed lol

[bright ledge]

sorry i got lost in the conversation i just opened

[olive wraith]

Ya I think I’m done too lmao

[edgy widget]

na, it's just jumping around like 3 different topics that are all getting conflated

[olive wraith]

I think raidbots has a link to a guide on how to sim

[bright ledge]

lmao yes theres 5 conversations in 1

[olive wraith]

If you care that much

[bright ledge]

thanks ill look for it right away

proof

[edgy widget]

stop

[cobalt relic]

no proof

[olive wraith]

We don’t really follow stat weights or anything so posting your stats isn’t really an indication of wether or not you’re doing something right or wrong

[edgy widget]

@cobalt relicidk if you're just trying to be funny, but stop fearmongering

[bright ledge]

Archimtiros will go crazy tonighj

[cobalt relic]

@edgy widget sorry king

have mercy

mwah

[olive wraith]

Wrong one

[edgy widget]

I'm not dealing with 400 questions from doomers because someone tried to make an edgy joke

[olive wraith]

[cobalt relic]

HAHAHA

[bright ledge]

[cobalt relic]

@edgy widget take this

[edgy widget]

if something changes, you will all know, because I will make sure to tell you

until then, just play the fuckin game lmao

[olive wraith]

No they won’t

People don’t read update channel

[olive wraith]

We will be flooded with “what happened” questions

[cobalt relic]

look at my frac log

@edgy widget

and smile

[radiant plank]

Bro im trying...

[olive wraith]

[cloud jungle]

If you have procs of RB and you’re rage capped do you spend them regardless?

[cobalt relic]

yes

[radiant plank]

gg

[cobalt relic]

till u drop out of enrage

then u go ramp

[olive wraith]

You can also ramp

Not much of a difference

[cloud jungle]

Aha, so RB > everything else?

[cobalt relic]

slayer?

[cloud jungle]

Yeah sorry slayer

[cobalt relic]

yes

[edgy widget]

there's no discernable difference between prioritizing RB or Rampage

[cobalt relic]

rampage on 100 + rage

[cloud jungle]

I usually ramp at 100

[cobalt relic]

or if u drop enraged

[cloud jungle]

Exactly

[cobalt relic]

exactly perfect

[edgy widget]

NA superiority

[edgy widget]

115+ is the better guideline

[cobalt relic]

oh rlly

[cloud jungle]

Good to know, thanks a lot boys

[olive wraith]

Na so superior I bricked my 15 ara tonight

[edgy widget]

realistically, Slayer is gonna rage cap a lot, just how it works

[olive wraith]

Should have just been offline like eu

[undone flower]

It’s basically a bad luck protection for the next rampage usually / not having to scrap rage with random whirlwinds

[edgy widget]

alright I'm going to bed for a few hours - don't get too crazy, be helpful, direct people to #updates-midnight, #dps-faq, and #1273899855852339200

and don't worry so much about "what if" nerfs - just enjoy it while it lasts and let come what may

[remote bobcat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/284226322585354241/1413178488713642104/GIF_20250904_160623_708.gif

[bright merlin]

[worn rain]

[radiant plank]

I will direct people to play Slarms

[bright merlin]

[undone flower]

I will direct people to open vaults as prot

[edgy widget]

https://tenor.com/view/dozens-of-us-there-are-dozens-of-us-dozens-arrested-development-arrested-development-dozens-gif-18162954729757007693

[burnt vector]

Hey guys so Slayer is not only better for Street and Dawn ?

[bright merlin]

Anyone news about the server status? Wanna play lmao

[burnt vector]

Now better in every keys ?

[bright ledge]

good night everyone

[bitter palm]

i will direct people to play jugg slarms

[bitter palm]

jugg slarms

[bright merlin]

@edgy widget In case you have cd on RB, BT and every other rage gaining attack and you have for example only 90 rage. would you better spend a smash until you have RB/BT up again to build more rage like 115 or would you rather spend rampage in this case?

[scenic pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

[winged oracle]

or myth shoulders I catalyze next week?

[scenic pecan]

Cba offline realms

[undone flower]

i want to slack in dornogal so bad ....

[radiant plank]

Rampage

[prime bane]

better is a strong word

[radiant plank]

it refunds charges of RB

[prime bane]

it works fine in every key

[cobalt relic]

all gg

[prime bane]

i guess it depends how much you like the rng playstyle of thane

it's definitely better on a single target fight, aka the bosses

[main hatch]

So we play slayer in m+ now right

[bright merlin]

thank you. thats what i expected tbh.

[prime bane]

both are valid

[burnt vector]

I don't. So many times without good procs and rampage turns out to be my first damage sources

[prime bane]

i enjoy the rng of thane and in general slower playstyle

[burnt vector]

spamming BT for nothing

[tardy lark]

but then you have the god pull where you do CD levels of damage without pressing anything but BT and TB

[prime bane]

it's not as high of an apm rotation as slayer and that can be good at times

[undone flower]

the thing i really don't like with thane is the little delay of the set proc

[prime bane]

thane feels clunky

[burnt vector]

I don't really see how slayer could outperf thane in keys like psf or flood

[prime bane]

but not always a bad thing

[bright merlin]

The only thing i find a little annoying on slayer in m+ is the insane amount of WW casts you have to spend to do max dps

[prime bane]

yeah i wish ww was just auto lol

maybe attached to another ability of some sort lol

[burnt vector]

kind of do the same if you have no procs on thane lol

with thunderclap

[undone flower]

S2 thane basically

[scenic pecan]

Y, why have to cast more ww as slayer ?

[bright merlin]

For myself (i use atrocity ui) added a sound after the last stack of WW is gone for insta reapply.

sometimes i forgot about it when its a bit chaotic

[prime bane]

yeah but at least the bloodthirsts are actively healing you so you are less of a burden on the healer

[burnt vector]

weak aura also exist

[polar narwhal]

Have Reap the Storm grant one stack of Whirlwind

:'l

[burnt vector]

a bar + a sound screaming "stack"

[bright merlin]

Blade sound ftw

[prime bane]

i agree that pressing whirlwind isn't fun design

[undone flower]

you don't want random ww stacks, if you don't like clunky

[burnt vector]

I don't mind, finding slayer way more fun to play

more dynamic

[iron portal]

Fan of swords

[prime bane]

i find it more fun to play too

[bitter palm]

fan of longswords during reck

would go hard

[prime bane]

but sometimes i wanna turn my brain off more and play mountain thane ya know?

[bright merlin]

Offtopic: anyone else find the physics on the wifi antanna helmet kinda stupid? xd

[prime bane]

i can do higher dps on mountain thane without trying as hard if that makes sense if the rng gods love me

[somber thicket]

Serv up

[undone flower]

servers good

[bright merlin]

god bless u

[prime bane]

anyone recommend a good show to watch?

i generally like things like charmed, buffy, smallville

[undone flower]

it's been quite some time i didn't watch a show

[prime bane]

i like vampires, i've watched all of the vampire shows i think like the originals

[somber thicket]

Supernatural

[prime bane]

waiting for the last episode of alient: earth right now

[prime bane]

already have watched that so many times through, great show

perfect recommendation if i hadn't watched it tho lol

there was also the dead brothers detective show that was like a show full of gay kids ghost hunting. it was oddly fun lol

[somber thicket]

All time favorite show

[prime bane]

y eah it's definitely up there

certain seasons got kinda blah

i love american horror story and i left off onth e latest one but i don't remember which episode of it i left on

obviously the best season was the one with the witches, coven

[cobalt relic]

is fleeting potion better than tempered potion

[hardy bluff]

its the same

fleeting is just from the cauldron

[cobalt relic]

so it does not matter

[remote bobcat]

fleeting disappears once you leave group and log out

its temporary

[undone flower]

just put fleeting above regular ones in your macro

[remote bobcat]

u wanna use temporary ones first.

[undone flower]

$ saving

[cobalt relic]

yh I refer to raid anyway

if its not significant then it's whatever

[undone flower]

yes they are just the free ones

[cobalt relic]

aighty

[prime bane]

had no idea there was a macro for that

[undone flower]

if you want to use both on the same button, yes

[cobalt relic]

/use item:212971
/use item:212970
/use item:212969
/use item:212265
/use item:212264
/use item:212263

[prime bane]

instead every talent switch i was having to change bars

errrr buttons

[hardy bluff]

i just drag it on my bars

[undone flower]

still funny i have more buttons on my fury > my havoc dh

both are not a lot

[prime bane]

i have a lot of buttons on warrior too but i don't use most of them most of the time

lol

[undone flower]

mmmh they are equally buttonless

[hardy bluff]

havoc just has alot of buttons you press like once a minute

[prime bane]

one of the people that work on hekili made an actual tanking apl for warrior

i'm so curious about it

[rich veldt]

now look frost dk buttons

[undone flower]

I see them as roar/OF/bladestorm so not really

the reason they are on the same binds

[undone flower]

yes

about the same as fury

[river reef]

what the fuck is that why is it a 1hr bossguide

[oblique trail]

His Ansurek comprehensive guide was also that length

Dratnos fairly often makes quite long guides for end bosses

Think only exception was Gallywix (for obvious reasons)

[undone flower]

still longer than fractilus one

[river reef]

havent watched it yet

but dratnos also likes to yap

[heavy dock]

hella maniac pressing shift 5

[foggy urchin]

small question guys

How far behind is slayer/colossus arms is compared to fury slayer now, given this new interaction with raging blows and reap the storm?

[south lintel]

in what?

[heavy dock]

would this answer it?

[foggy urchin]

ah, forgor to mention

M+, both cleave and pure ST

[south lintel]

the diffy is in prio damage

4 pc buffed slayer aoe

[digital mauve]

So still not nerfed?

[south lintel]

it was fixed / buffed

[heavy dock]

tbh im really not feeling the build

[foggy urchin]

I definitely feel it

[south lintel]

mountain thane is still viable

[heavy dock]

im getting high overalls but it feels pretty bland to play

[foggy urchin]

viable, yes

but is very boring lol

[south lintel]

in st slayer sims higher

[foggy urchin]

i mean, slayer is boring*

[heavy dock]

i find thane much more fun

tbh

[foggy urchin]

it is

[south lintel]

i mean

[foggy urchin]

the thunder blast sound is so good

[south lintel]

depnding on the content your running

[bitter palm]

idk thane got stale

[south lintel]

you can play aug evoker if u want

[hoary agate]

Man slayer so good to play, legit warrior press flashy buttons zugzug we aren't no arcane mage gamer

[heavy dock]

name checks out

[south lintel]

but these guys theory craft for min maxxing

[foggy urchin]

Frankly, I can visibly see a massive diff between thane and slayer

like the dps is just not the same

[hoary agate]

Thane feels clunky AF those clap animations feels like micro stutters every time I cast haha

[bitter palm]

i mean slayer just turbo gaps thane on st

[foggy urchin]

sure, maybe in huge pulls thane will get ahead but man the ST

[digital mauve]

Thane better on MT than Slayer even with the recent buff?

[bitter palm]

no

slayer better at everything

[feral egret]

Guys I just made a warrior over the weekend and I'm very excited to get 4 piece, it sounds dope

I've been watching oxxyog and just saw his new slayer update.

Anything else I should look at? I think I'm going to run odyns fury and champions spear for now to make up for being a noob

[heavy dock]

dont run spear

[south lintel]

roar

[heavy dock]

please

[foggy urchin]

dont run spear as it requires iQ

use roar

[south lintel]

spear is so gross

[foggy urchin]

or rather, don't use it

[south lintel]

spear is good for forgeweaver

😄

[heavy dock]

spear is the most dogshit spell to use

[feral egret]

I thought it buffs the shit out of blade storm. And wouldn't it buff more reap?

[heavy dock]

it feels so bad lol

[bitter palm]

remember in sl

when spear was ur top dmg

[heavy dock]

eh not rly

[bitter palm]

in a dungeon

[foggy urchin]

honestly I love spear but I wish the AoE was like, 3x bigger

[heavy dock]

radius is so tiny

[foggy urchin]

like a demon hunter sigil big

that would be f**king zugzug

[bitter palm]

and u would sitll never play it cause it does nothing

[foggy urchin]

but but

[heavy dock]

they need to give us meathook in midnight

[feral egret]

But doesnt it pull the mobs in so it doesn't matter?

These are genuine questions, Im coming from mage

[foggy urchin]

the crit damage

[bitter palm]

our damage profile is so flat we dont benefit from these buffs

our cds do nothing

[heavy dock]

no the radius is about as big as your rune of power

[bitter palm]

our rotational spells are tuned to the moon

[heavy dock]

if not smaller

[bitter palm]

reap crits for like 4-5 mil

and we are stacking haste

[foggy urchin]

well, he's got a point

[feral egret]

Who

[foggy urchin]

mr. raging blow 57

[heavy dock]

technically with perfect play it could pull ahead but.. that will never happen

[bitter palm]

the reason spear is preferred as thane is cause it can high roll

[feral egret]

Okay okay but as a new player, still don't?

[bitter palm]

and roar does nothing all the time

[foggy urchin]

tl;dr - avoid spear

[bitter palm]

spear CAN high roll

[heavy dock]

nah just go roar

[bitter palm]

by spear i mean 4p

[heavy sparrow]

How much superior is slayer st to thane?

[bitter palm]

a lot

[heavy dock]

about 8.3% more

[feral egret]

Damn I was so excited

[foggy urchin]

can't be just 8.3%

[bitter palm]

700k in bis gear?

[foggy urchin]

it feels like at least 1m dps diff

[bitter palm]

idk %wise

[heavy sparrow]

Damn

[bitter palm]

same goes for prio

[heavy dock]

i mean honestly im not seeing that much of a dif in single target

maybe like 500k more but then again

i keep forgetting to use my fukcing idol

[foggy urchin]

you aren't pressing enough raging blow

[heavy dock]

cant wait to replace that trinket my god

[bitter palm]

are u using frenzied

[heavy sparrow]

What about aoe, does thane do more aoe even after the hotfixes?

[bitter palm]

no

[feral egret]

So should I roar then of or OF then roar

[heavy dock]

i am yes

guys

thane still does

more aoe

[foggy urchin]

Hmm, more of a "roar whenever u got nothing to press. OF only before bladestorm and specifically for bladestorm"

[heavy dock]

like 1.5% more

[foggy urchin]

roar sucks too sadge so it's not a wow button

[heavy sparrow]

Not worth the st tradeoff then

[heavy dock]

but single target is highly diff

[feral egret]

And Sims say to OF after BS but I could burst sooner by of after charge then rampage then BS instead, saving the WW

[heavy sparrow]

I just really don;t like bladestorm

[heavy dock]

play thane its ok

[bitter palm]

its not like u sit in it for longer than 2s anyway

[heavy dock]

ur not forced to playing slayer

[bitter palm]

its legit like 2 globals

[foggy urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/howlers-den-gasp-shock-star-trek-gif-498338148729931701

[heavy dock]

tbh i might go back to thane soon too lol

[foggy urchin]

I can not believe I have read this on a warrior discord

[heavy dock]

this playstyle is so fkin boring

[bitter palm]

2s of bladestorm then back to

[heavy sparrow]

ravager is the better bladestorm

[foggy urchin]

ravager is a soycuck's bladestorm

[hearty kestrel]

Bladestorm induce testo

[sonic apex]

Bladestorm >> Ravager - why would i throw down a beyblade, when i can become the beyblade myself?

[heavy sparrow]

Because ravager allows me to continue my rotation, while bladestorm doesn't

[foggy urchin]

bladestorm IS the rotation

[waxen vale]

bladestorm is the coolest ability in the game wth

[foggy urchin]

can't you see you are spinning at machfuck speed

[foggy urchin]

it is the ancient, the true way of the warrior

[sonic apex]

Brother, i crave the spin, one must become it

[heavy sparrow]

Basically the shorter bladestorm lasts the better it is

[remote bobcat]

we spin

[foggy urchin]

no brother. The spin must be used only when the time is right

[feral egret]

Okay got it. Can I macro in roar and of after charge into rampage then BS

[waxen vale]

your not a warrior if you hate bladestorm. you rerolled or something

[foggy urchin]

I mean, I guess?

roar is on gcd tho so keep that in mind when macro-ing

[heavy dock]

no, roar and of have gcd