fury

[pale lava]

excited to see what is more optimal with the apl changes if they happen

[tepid cedar]

Should be out today

[hollow leaf]

sadge

[thick fossil]

Just a thought: but yeah, after a Bladestorm I was slamming RB as much as possible to get all the reap procs going. Only if enrage was about to fall off. (this is in M+)
Having Execute filling in gaps or BT really makes this spec feel complete.

[fickle abyss]

slayer is kinda pumping rn

[hoary agate]

nice crest save kekw

although tbf its not a bad ST trinket

[grand crypt]

It is a tierset bug originally because RB cannot trigger Reap with 5 targets. Now they fixed it so that’s why Reap are more frequently after updated

[warm crag]

Competing with zdps classes gg

[sinful spoke]

have any of u guys replaced your jastor yet

[thick fossil]

Sadly, no

[chilly fractal]

Yes

[sinful spoke]

mine only gets replaced by myth track ring

[south kayak]

I didn't even have a mythic jastor to replace lmao

[chilly fractal]

Just replace it with a small loss

[warm crag]

Replaced it with a hc track ring cause i cba ring swapping every pull to avoid it bugging out

[chilly fractal]

Yea it bugs too frequently

I’m using HoA and Dawnbreaker vers mastery ring currently but Priory ring is about the same as Dawn for me sim wise

[hardy cargo]

fun weekly key pull like madman but still no trinket 🙁

[deft jewel]

Does the reap change affect the M+ slayer talent build in any way, or is it basically the same as on Wowhead?

[rotund sapphire]

seen biz us using odyns fury now

[sinful spoke]

same build

[warm crag]

12b dps is crazy

[sinful spoke]

wait

of is played?

[rotund sapphire]

idk maybe its outdated#

[hardy cargo]

12b dps im doing like 10x that one exploiting fire mage on that raid boss

[gaunt loom]

The game suddenly got super fun. lol

[south kayak]

Fury has the highest overall this week so far

[warm crag]

Why would you do that

[south kayak]

looks like

[sinful spoke]

they gave us a bit of power and i can feel the nerf coming already

💔 🥀

[edgy widget]

OF is the same cook we had before; it’s an option, but not entirely convinced yet that it’s actually better

[sinful spoke]

ic

[tepid cedar]

We still looking at possible apl and rooooooobot update today Archi?

[broken vortex]

so Slayer > Thane in M+ right now?

[edgy widget]

Builds are in #1273899855852339200 , can just direct people there

[edgy widget]

If it doesn’t get hard nerfed, yeah

[tepid cedar]

Let’s gooo

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/the-avengers-marvel-jeremy-renner-clint-barton-hawkeye-gif-17148870

[tepid cedar]

Release release release lets us cooookkkkkk lol

😂😂

[quiet breach]

I can't until I go home from work sorry

[broken vortex]

Can Thunder Blast proc Lightning Strikes?

[south kayak]

Wonder if I can get 4p before nerff

[tepid cedar]

We ain’t getting nerfed

Yall dooming as hard as hunters in maxes tier list

[thick fossil]

Can we at least get an idea when the robit will be updated for the changes?

[tepid cedar]

😂

[tepid cedar]

You never ask about fight club

[edgy widget]

Just said today, jeez

[magic wigeon]

ok baby girl dont forget me or later i`ll tag you kiss your lips thanks

[edgy widget]

It’s not even really something you need to sim atm, so don’t worry about it

[tepid cedar]

On y’all’s prelim changes. Is bt worth pressing when 4/5 stacks @100% crit?

[edgy widget]

Na

It’s going to be very similar to the ST rulesets, just with WW mixed in

[chilly fractal]

Never doom only

[heavy dock]

is it worth crafting bracers at 720 or just use the free 704 crest and keep gilded crests for upgrades?

[random estuary]

wait is this my chance to beg pls remove vulpera racial from apl 🙏

[tepid cedar]

Cool, so only real change is moving RB to under rampage enrage gcd and execute at 3 stacks only?

[chilly fractal]

704

Unless you have no real options to spend 60 gilded

[edgy widget]

Vulpera and other on-GCD racials are awkward because they like to go back and forth between worth using or not

[heavy dock]

well upgrading the myth gearpiece i got this week +crafting 720 bracers will put me at exactly 360/360

since i skipped first week

[random estuary]

i guess true but vulpera's hasnt been since like s1 dragonflight afaik, BUT maybe it was secretly good while i wasnt playing

[heavy dock]

ill just craft it 704 now and if i need ill recraft it to 720

[chilly fractal]

You can sim your options

[pulsar quest]

I saw you ran slayer on soulbinder yesterday so I tried it also with the new rb tech

[chilly fractal]

May be best to put into like trinkets or something

[pulsar quest]

I won’t lie it was pretty fun

[chilly fractal]

Just as long as you do what you want to do

[pulsar quest]

I’ve changed my mind a bit

[quiet breach]

depends on your level of access to myth track items

[edgy widget]

Tbf I was gonna run slayer anyway, I don’t care for Thane/Colossus lack of ST

[heavy dock]

i dont do mythic raid so

just vault

[pulsar quest]

Yeah I was probably also because my raid giga blows up adds

But it pumped lol

[oblique thistle]

Is thane still going to be the play on soul hunters?

[random estuary]

idk slayer seems already the play on soulbinder and now u just get bonus dps so thats cool i guess

[edgy widget]

But yeah it does work nicely, if I’d remembered to equip my Idol, I might have kept my R1 🫗

[south kayak]

isn't Slayer better than thane even in aoe with htis

[edgy widget]

Not on soulbinder, ranking that fight is all about add dam

[heavy dock]

10 gambit decent enough? idk how i feel about the new playstyle tbh

[pulsar quest]

Yeah I forgot mine also and kept arcanocore 😭

[south kayak]

I guess adds die fast

on soulbinder

[edgy widget]

That’s why Colossus is so strong, demolish wipes them quick

[floral belfry]

at this point adds die fast anyway just funnel

[edgy widget]

P soon we’ll be killing soulbinder before the first AoE set though

Then it’ll be all slayer I’m sure

[oblique thistle]

Are we still rocking thane on soul hunters?

[pulsar quest]

I think it’s probably still better there

[edgy widget]

Slayer did well for me on H soul hunters, but I think from a practical standpoint thane is probably still better on M?

It’s just a lot more forgiving when adds aren’t perfectly stacked or target swapping

[oblique thistle]

Yeah for practicality it makes sense

[polar narwhal]

TB Range

More chance to hit... something

[edgy widget]

I’ll experiment with it tonight

[pulsar quest]

I would assume that the reap procs will be less consistent on just 3 targets, and also you don’t really want prio damage as much as you want 3 target even cleaving

[flat river]

Do u think slayer on 4th boss with the new slayer buff will be better than thane?

[edgy widget]

That and TB just plain has a bigger range

[pulsar quest]

Yup

[frank dawn]

Thane still kind of giga tanky too, in the rare instances that really matters

[edgy widget]

I tried that last night, and Slayer can do well, but I believe Thane still has a higher upperbound (some RNG tho)

[flat river]

RNG, my enemy

[edgy widget]

Slayer is much better for boss fam though, which is what actually matters on that fight

[fast crest]

Do the multi target RB reap procs depend on overwhelm stacks per target? Or based on primary target?

[edgy widget]

It’s difficult to test since you can’t not get overwhelm stacks up, but as far as I can tell it rolls each target separately based on their stacks

[polar narwhal]

It is now on hit instead of on cast so I'd assume it is per target.

[edgy widget]

Logically that’s how it should work as well, so it’s what I’m assuming until proven otherwise

[mighty swan]

@edgy widget is the rb double proc reap a bug ?

[edgy widget]

I haven’t seen any “double” proc

[mighty swan]

Y on each hit

[edgy widget]

That’s not a “double”
See #updates-midnight

[fast crest]

I figure the latter but that could put you in weird situations when bladestorm isn’t up first

[balmy shore]

thane failed me on forgeweaver reclear last night i should've played slayer 💀

[frank dawn]

you def don't want to send bladestorm if a pack is about to die now

[balmy shore]

blasts did not want to proc off my bt

[edgy widget]

Yeah you always wanna lead with BS, if you can’t, you should defer to BT first

[buoyant cape]

slayer is so much fun with this, in floodgate 10

[fast crest]

Just thinking M+ if pulls don’t align with BS cooldown or bosses with periodic adds (though in this case probably not an issue if you keep cleaving off boss)

[buoyant cape]

didnt have bs for a few pulls until like 10-15 secs in too so prob played it bad

[hardy shuttle]

I did slayer last night. It felt really good. We were like 1 global off of skipping 2nd intermission

[dire canyon]

anyone has a link to the Odyn's Fury build?

[edgy widget]

#dps-faq

[junior gale]

Seeing fury nerfs on Fridays tuning is gonna go so hard

[restive peak]

Let’s gooooooo

[prisma inlet]

does Fury and Arms share stat priorities? I want to change my loot specialization to Arms just so I can stop getting one handed weapons as loot :(

[charred flint]

rofl

poor fella

you ALWAYS do that anyways

You share the same loot, but the one handers

[prisma inlet]

✍️ ✍️

lmao

[brittle crow]

fury loot spec the biggest bait

for decades now

[prisma inlet]

ty tho

[charred flint]

every time i create a new char and get a 10+ from chest with a 1hander

fucking sadge

[prisma inlet]

(tbh I didn't even know that loot spec was a thing until a few moments ago)

but this is good, especially seeing as I have some items to get from the vault today

[edgy widget]

Yeah it’s one of those things that was added for a very good reason, but isn’t very visible unless you know it’s there

Loot specs don’t have any kind of “stat priority” either; it’s simply a matter of “can this spec use [item] or not?”

So arms and fury have the same loot table, except fury also has 1hrs; meaning if you don’t want 1hrs, you should just set your loot spec to arms and never think about it again

[lilac kite]

just coming back into fury after a long hiatus

still dont press WW in aoe right

[distant zenith]

when new sims

[charred flint]

qwhat

You mean besides the meatcleaver buff?

yeah

[polar narwhal]

You do if you want to Meat Cleaver

[edgy widget]

slayer does, thane doesn’t

[lilac kite]

tahne

thane

sorry

[unreal onyx]

I see that the screams trinket is listed as "bis" on wowhead yet it sims not good for me in ST or aoe, am I doing it wrong?

[charred flint]

oh no

thane you use thunderclap

and its buffed version

[polar narwhal]

As Thane you press Thunder Clap/Blast.

[charred flint]

Are you using it baseilvl?

That must be it

[unreal onyx]

hc maxxed out

[polar narwhal]

Just make a macro for it.

#showtooltip
/use [known:Thunder Blast] Thunder Clap; Whirlwind

[lilac kite]

checking logs and runs - thane seems the go to for m+ currently? or am i off on that? thanks for the quick feedback

[fast crest]

Wonder if storm of steel has any viability now in m+. More BS to keep stacks at 10 in AOE all the time (edit: not keep, but start all pulls at 10)

Maybe powerful enrage too, if you can fit in another RB before enrage drops - esp if there’s a low target breakpoint for near 100% reap procs

[edgy widget]

It should sim very well for ST, but it’s AoE performance varies with target death - if you’re just doing 5 static targets, they never die

It’s also not listed as the best MT trinket

[charred flint]

As of yesterday it seems slayer is overall the pick for everything now

[lilac kite]

interesting - what edged it out you think?

[charred flint]

buffed 4pc

reap go strong

[rich veldt]

anyone got quick talents for 4p slayer since changes yesterday

[lilac kite]

ah i see - i dont have 4 pc yet - got lucky and got 2 pc really fast and needing another one from raid - have 3 piece right now because of the 2k rating i got

[rich veldt]

or is it the one in dps faq

[charred flint]

Without 4pc you play slayer either way

[unreal onyx]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/woQ4pQodP214TPBnZFUMgD not really for me for whatever reason

[charred flint]

Thane without 4pc isnt very good

[unreal onyx]

wait

im dumb

my settings didn't change for the other sim I did

[edgy widget]

If so, only because Unhinged is devalued, but probably still not

The issue w/ Storm is that only one charge can cooldown at a time, so assuming you use your BS on CD, that extra charge doesn’t do anything beyond the first time you press it

It’s a tool for burst, not frequency

[still ibex]

Cursed Idol or Pacemaker. Which one better? Only choices in vault

[lilac kite]

ah thanks for the heads up

[unreal onyx]

idol better dps but cast time

[edgy widget]

#1273899855852339200 - fourth build down

[polar narwhal]

No Blasphemite?

[unreal onyx]

in ring

but I didn't choose it in the sim

bc it's in anyway

[polar narwhal]

[rich veldt]

default slayer talents for the unnanounced changes?

[edgy widget]

Gonna be honest, you’re simming way rok a many things at once

Figure out your gear first, then worry about gems/enchants

[unreal onyx]

but with gem changes gear can change too, no?

[edgy widget]

Split it up and the results will be a lot easier to parse

[unreal onyx]

like neck for example

[edgy widget]

You can gem around the gear easier than you can gear around gems

[unreal onyx]

true

[lilac kite]

thanks brother man!

[edgy widget]

Gear is static, but there’s a gem for every stat combination

[unreal onyx]

I am fairly sure the big momma neck would be the play for me, but we kill soulbinder today again so I will hold out on getting one yet

[rich veldt]

thx ❤️

[edgy widget]

It also looks like you might not have the meta gem stuff checked

[charred flint]

isnt the bis neck the one from ravendrath

that gives a shitton of haste and mastery

[unreal onyx]

"bis" is relative I think

[charred flint]

yeas ure

[edgy widget]

BiS only matters in the context of having all that gear available at the same time

[hollow leaf]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p7nHdQx2fHtxtXvWb5hE9S

kinda surprised antenna is simming so low for me

[edgy widget]

If you’re low on Vers/high on Mastery, your best at the moment may be entirely diff

[charred flint]

i went for the "myth" track neck this week, didnt get any upgrades from vault i could use yet anyways

[hollow leaf]

even chose to not include the neck in my vault which is higher than the ring

[edgy widget]

It did get a small nerf, but if you are high in crit already it might be losing value

[hollow leaf]

16% is high?

I mean I'll listen to sim just a little surprised

oh right it's because I got the myth wep from hardmode

that's shooting my crit up a bunch

[tepid cedar]

Full bis gears is like 14.67% crit

[lilac kite]

Wait was the 4pc a shadow buff? i dont see it on the forums?

[tepid cedar]

To give you an idea

[charred flint]

The thing thats really good about antenna is its good on AoE too right

[hollow leaf]

yes

unannounced

[edgy widget]

#updates-midnight

[hollow leaf]

yeah tbf I haven't simmed aoe

but I don't really care about m+ that much

[edgy widget]

Welcome to World of Warcraft, where shit under the hood changes all the time without being announced

[charred flint]

Fury looking good

[steep fable]

in the hero talents section, shouldn't you be taking opportunist instead of fierce followthrough since we are pushing RB all the time after the change?

[hollow leaf]

fury's st is kinda gross

[hollow leaf]

you swap to opportunist when you have 4p

not sure if he does

[dense quest]

Hello ! I have a question about enchantment to weapons plz. I see on murlok, everyones takes Versatility, why dont buy mastery or haste bc it's main stat ?

[hollow leaf]

[steep fable]

👍

[hollow leaf]

stop looking at whatever others do

[hollow leaf]

🤷‍♂️ even if I include the weapon from araz it's still a sidegrade https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fgHnqWAL8ske4Jc3qqskAX

odd but w/e

[edgy widget]

Like I said, it got a small nerf and you have a big crit weapon

[hollow leaf]

yeah but would think it'd gain value if I replaced big crit wep with araz wep

[edgy widget]

You also have it missing 15% of the time, which isn’t high but isn’t zero either

[hollow leaf]

15% was just the answer I got from danwarr when I asked

no idea what's actually realistic

[edgy widget]

Sure, but it’s still >0

[hollow leaf]

yeah but don't think 0 is realistic either

[tepid cedar]

I see the GitHub with an update for reap. So is robot updated for reap, if we use a custom apl its should give a more accurate sim Archi?

[edgy widget]

Idk what kinda answer you’re looking for, the trinket has never been wildly better than anything else for war, so I don’t see any issue w/ those results

[hollow leaf]

nothing I'm just yapping

[edgy widget]

The base behavior has been updated, but not the actions, correct - I told you it’ll finish later today

But rn I’m enjoying my morning (read: rotting in bed yapping w/ you clowns )

[south kayak]

Left click doesn't seem to work on WoWhead

maybe it's my browser

[hollow leaf]

works fine fo rme

[south kayak]

it isn't, wowhead is the only one

[edgy widget]

Prob an extension or something

Did you try turning it off and back on again?

[coarse nest]

How dare you enjoy your personal life!!!

[south kayak]

possibly

[edgy widget]

Enjoy may be a strong word, it’s just not get up o’clock yet

[coarse nest]

lol I hear that

[edgy widget]

My feet are warm and I’m enjoying it

[lilac kite]

i seem to do better aoe with arms in 2pc than fury in 2pc - interesting

[edgy widget]

Then play arms for now

[charred estuary]

So this feels like you press RB in aoe now unless you arent enraged im guessing

just giga overcap to try to get reap

[olive wraith]

Yup

[plain edge]

Just curious, do unannounced changes like this usually get announced in the next class tunning update or does it just go under the radar

[tepid cedar]

Nahhh ur good no rush

[plain edge]

Historically that is

[tepid cedar]

Gonna go fuck around now

🤣

[charred estuary]

I cant believe they managed to make RB even more important in the rotation lmfao

[olive wraith]

I mean thane set was changed without actual notes

[hardy shuttle]

Probably under the radar until a YouTuber complains about something being OP

[olive wraith]

Who knows if it will get an official mention

[edgy widget]

Technically it’s the same as it was, just more consistent between ST and MT

[plain edge]

If it's an intended change, I'd say its a pretty clever change rather than the straightforward increasing target cap of whirlwind

[fast crest]

Sorry if I’m misunderstanding but what do you mean by one charge cools down at a time? (I haven’t played with the talent recently but presumably you can use both charges back to back, and the charge cooldown rebuilds sequentially?)

In any case I suppose would have to look at direct damage tradeoff vs unhinged, and what value you get with reap from flexibility of 2 BS charges. It does seem to synergize quite well with the current tier bonuses though (reap procs and more frequent CDR from executes)

[edgy widget]

When the 4p first hit PTR, I was not initially a fan of the full RB focus either, but given that Thane focuses fully on BT/TB, it kinda feels natural that Slayer is big RB/Exe

[charred estuary]

Yeah I guess a better way to phrase it was they managed to find the one place where slayer was pressing BT and snuffed it out

[edgy widget]

So the way cooldowns work, even if you have two charges only one of them can be decreasing at a time; while your first Bladestorm may be counting down or getting reduced from 90s-0, the cooldown of the second charge will just be frozen at 90s

[rustic kelp]

my god. Never had such a weekly Chest in tww. Sacbrood on Myth track - which sims higher in multitarget/Dungeon SLice or Chestpiece on Myth track which is better for patchwerk fights ~.~

[plain edge]

The only thing that feels "wierd" right now with slayer aoe is, I feel like I'm just not utilizing the tier set anymore as much since I'm not pressing executive as often with the weak aura...

[edgy widget]

You’re right, but after having tried it in practice I don’t think it’s a bad thing

[drifting token]

I mean thematically you'd think the hero spec called "slayer" would focus more on the blood-oriented attack along with executions

[edgy widget]

You still use Exe a lot, it’s very important for BS cdr

[plain edge]

Right but if my bladestorm is basically ready for next pull.
Im just ignoring it for 5-8 sec

[edgy widget]

Eh, you can make a thematic argument any which way, don’t think that matters too much outside of head canon

[gilded pawn]

Slayer is also a very generic term

[keen dove]

so are we gonna get bt buff or reap nerf xD

[plain edge]

I guess the main question is, is it worth casting off multiple bladestorms in the same pack rather than prioritizizing spamming raging blow nonstop with overwhlemed already on adds?

[cerulean badger]

Both

[gilded pawn]

CDs on cd

[charred flint]

neither

fuck thane

[vale dove]

I do hope this change is intended. Because I am not a fan of praying for Thane thunderclap resets 🙁

[charred flint]

all my homies hate it with the clunky tb resets

[edgy widget]

Depends, but the real question is what about the next pack? If you keep using BS on cd, Storm of steel got you exactly one extra BS over the entire dungeon, which isn’t a good return

[charred flint]

why couldnt it be like sudden death

[olive wraith]

As long as you have bs ready for next pack

[olive wraith]

Thane just needs higher reset chance now like slayer

[plain edge]

Thats the thing, since I used bladestorm only once at the start of the pack, by the time the pack is dead, bladestorm is already up just with anger management...

With fully ignoring execute

[charred flint]

I dont mind the RNG i just really dislike it takes like half a gcd for the reset to happen

[edgy widget]

Think we’re jumbling conversations here

[olive wraith]

Press a gcd then

[cobalt relic]

do we fully ignore exe during packs?@

as slayer now

[olive wraith]

No

[edgy widget]

No, Exe is still strong, useful, and important

[plain edge]

I think we're discussing the nitty gritty of that

[cobalt relic]

whats the condition on pressing itr

[restive peak]

You treat exec exactly how you do in ST

[cobalt relic]

3mfe?

[cobalt relic]

oh

so whenever kaching I press it ignoring rb during packs?

[restive peak]

Jugg dropping > 2 MFE etc

We need BS CDR and exec still pumps

[cobalt relic]

got u

that makes it easy

ty

[proper frigate]

hey guys while playin m+ slayer fury should ı play with frenzied or powerful enraged

[plain edge]

Just from personal experience, feel like it might depend more on how many adds are alive on whether you wanna just dump raging blow and ignore execute.. because if it's only 2 3 adds are alive, then ofc cast executive with marks etc.

But if it's 20 adds alive, really don't wanna execute 🙂

[fast crest]

Oh yes, ok I understand that. Where I was getting at is if there’s now regular situations where you’d want to hold BS (eg near end of a pack), getting the flexibility of a 2nd charge might not feel so bad

[cobalt relic]

why

headache gg

[hollow leaf]

you still want bladestorm cdr

[plain edge]

1 global that gives u 30 mil damage or 1 global that gives u 3 5 mil?

3-5*

[restive peak]

You'll still exec on the conditions

[plain edge]

Considering my bladestorm is ready for next pull

[restive peak]

There are always little niche times you'd swap

[low folio]

your bladestorm can be used twice a pull and be ready for the next depending on the pulls

[restive peak]

I mean we can create little niche scenarios for anything, but in a general sense you still want to send exec fairly often

[plain edge]

Think I'm just stuck on the specific math tbh

[cobalt relic]

ok so kaching I hit exe during packs

got it

tyvm

[plain edge]

Which yields more overall on huge pack

[edgy widget]

I think the place you’d find use is more likely to be something like Soulbinder than a M+

[edgy widget]

Yeah there’s always going to be a little bit of “adapt to the situation and make a judgement call”

[plain edge]

When you see that 33 mil crit with reap, you just wanna keep pressing raging blow 🐒

[fast crest]

That’s the boss I had in mind too lol. Yeah I guess in keys geared for your level the packs aren’t dying faster than regular CDR BS

[edgy widget]

Unlike a sim, real m+ is highly variable; packs don’t always die at the same time

[plain edge]

Right

[edgy widget]

Sometimes you’ll send, sometimes you’ll hold, just something you kinda gotta guess at the time

[cobalt relic]

I will exe on packs now when it kachings

@restive peak and see how it feels like

[edgy widget]

Exe still does a great deal of direct dam though

[charred flint]

i did a dg not executing and a dungeon spamming rb

i mean

and a dungeon doing it

[restive peak]

Ye exec is still a cranker and feels good

[charred flint]

the one i used execute i did .5m overall higher

[rustic kelp]

Hey, is there anyone here I can quickly ask a question via DM? I don't want to interrupt your conversation about the changes 😄

[low folio]

reap doesnt crit for 33 million

[coarse nest]

Keep in mind the buff you apply to the target for 20 seconds after bladestorming, that gives execute conditions hidden value because that will make your reap procs hit harder

You definitely want to still play for BS cdr

[edgy widget]

Please, interrupt

[spare steppe]

there is nothing important here that cant be interrupted

unless you ask how to play DK

[junior gale]

I'm on team hold exe for mass AOE. A lot of the times your gonna wanna hold BS for next pack so not really making use of that CDR so if in mass aoe might as well just RB spam

[edgy widget]

BS also only applies 5-8 stacks out of 10

[plain edge]

Damn, team hold exe vs team press exe

[spare steppe]

always the latter, smash that button!

[restive peak]

As keys get higher you're gonna BS a lot more, packs live deceptively longer even at 30% than people think

[junior gale]

Even with RB spam I've been able to spin in pull spin again in the middle and 3rd spin for next pack

That's even with exe holding

[edgy widget]

I will sometimes hold Exe for 3 marks if I’m spamming RB, but you should not be wasting marks on overcap

[junior gale]

Yeah that's what I was doing yesterday holding for 3mfe and not on kaching

[tepid lily]

True

[junior gale]

On big pulls tho like first pull flood

I was sending RB

Hard

[plain edge]

So we can come to the middle and just say use exec on 3 marks

🙂

[tepid cedar]

teh sustain dps is pretty insane. ran a few dif times on some modified sims, and we jsut hold hogh amount of dps

[junior gale]

Robot will tell us right answer later right now just having fun

[plain edge]

Ewww robot

[coarse nest]

The few dungeons I ran yesterday just making up my own prio It feelycrafty felt best to:
Enrage > meatcleaver > 3x mfe execute > raging blow > ramp

Regarding aoe of course

[lilac kettle]

which is the exact buff?

[tepid cedar]

8t 5 min, 17.21
8t 8min 17m

wild

[junior gale]

Yee were like outlaw in the since we do the same dmg every pull

[tepid lily]

Bruh

[gilded pawn]

Holy moly annilhilator is back

Login

[low folio]

slayer always did feel like it gained more dps as a pull went on instead of dropping

[junior gale]

Very consistent which is good to have

[charred flint]

we always have been

we just do more damage now

[junior gale]

Not always

S1 we were all about burst

[charred flint]

i mean this season

[frozen lake]

Yep for those three days in heroic dungeons

[tepid cedar]

yea, all i did was modify some things so not nearly as good as whats to come but its nice

[frozen lake]

It was a good time

[junior gale]

Well yeah I know that it's just the dmg is good now

Not meh

[stoic echo]

feels a bit weird having to hold BS

[hardy shuttle]

We dont mention those days

[iron portal]

Ewww Terrorblade

[stoic echo]

chain pulling feels also awkward if BS isnt up

icl

[iron portal]

Wait what

[coarse nest]

Having strong damage every pull is very good in pug scenarios

Extremely high burst every 3 minutes is only great when properly coordinated

[junior gale]

Depends when they chain but yeah making sure you have BS for next pull really important now

[junior gale]

It's not flashy either so we fly under the radar

[stoic echo]

I dont like how frenzied enrage feels in some dungeons and I dont like how low the haste is without it

the lesser evil

[low folio]

i have tried a fresh meat run without deft experience and during aoe pulls, it definitely keeps your enrage full

[junior gale]

Ppl don't see us burst 45 mil and cry nerf

[low folio]

during bladestorm

[coarse nest]

Like yeah the warlock can do 40m dps on the first pull of a dungeon in a pug but odds are they lose a ton of CD value the rest of the dungeon because tanks do whatever randomly

Good players try to counteract this obviously

But in a general sense flat consistently good damage is superior in pugs

[low folio]

i mean arms can kind of burst up pretty high on pulls

[edgy widget]

If you change targets smartly, it’s very easy; even if you don’t, the increased chance to proc enrage is helpful

[junior gale]

Kinda? Arms def can

[coarse nest]

Also very true yeah

Helps warrior stay up lol

[junior gale]

I've done 30+ mil on big pulls as col arms this season

[tepid lily]

Did 22m first pull in gambit

Very cool

[stoic echo]

after I get my hoa trinket I'll just go back to arms

🙏

[junior gale]

Fury Slayer is love it is life right now

[stoic echo]

I dont like how it feels in M+

[junior gale]

I ain't swapping back to arms till the nerf happens

[stoic echo]

one missed GCD feels like I die inside

[junior gale]

I love it. Love the consistency and insane boss dmg

Also having funnel owns

Even if minor

[stoic echo]

I also have slight latency

my inputs arent snappy at all

kinda sucks with constant whirlwind spam

[smoky vale]

do you mean from the ww wa

or

[junior gale]

That would suck yeah

[edgy widget]

Play what you like, nobody out there twisting your arm

[stoic echo]

no but you need to juggle between spamming RB, keeping enrage up and having WW stacks

and with slight latency I often lose out on enrage by just a millisecond

because of the latency

its really annoying

[charred flint]

fuck me

[stoic echo]

I'd rather not, ty

[charred flint]

tank dcd on first pull

[hard widget]

Archi, i was wondering, how much diff is ramp vs rb prio on aoe >5 targets now

[tired gate]

When did the slayer hotfix happen?

[young swan]

yesterday

[stoic echo]

its not a hotfix

[junior gale]

Are you back now that Slayer ends

[stoic echo]

grrr

[hard widget]

Im back yes

I was on holiday

[oblique pond]

As colosus arms you need to also juggle alot of buffs and stacks to get of your dmg at the last second

[stoic echo]

yeah ik but its not really a latency issue

[fast crest]

Sorry to beat the dead horse a bit but have some time for toilet theorycrafting

Does anyone know if BS CDR from rampage / execute rolls over to 2nd charge when storm of steel is talented ?

[stoic echo]

more tactical stuff

[still wave]

Welcome back, hope you enjoyed your holiday :3

[hard widget]

Thanks! I did was amazing ❤️

[stoic echo]

I just enjoy arms flow much more in M+, more thought out

[young swan]

it doesnt

[stoic echo]

but I love the spam of fury in raid

[eager thorn]

hell yeah

[still wave]

Where did you go?

[hard widget]

Paris

[fast crest]

Ok thanks, quick killer to my idea

[tepid cedar]

take this with grain of salt. jsut for funsies. just some small changes in actions list. but check this out
first one is the regular OF build, 2nd is the no OF +deft with frenzy and 3rd is powerful enrage. 8t 2m

[charred estuary]

10m in a 13 halls just spamming RB

lets go?

[restive peak]

Ye we were assuming powerful may be better for AOE now, it seems small enough to me to not be worth dropping the ST

But I'll do some keys w it today

[spare steppe]

How does it compare to the standard ST?

1t 5m

[wary smelt]

anyone have slayer talents?

[junior gale]

Back just in time before we get nerfed

[tepid cedar]

let me do st

wait

[junior gale]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715

[tepid cedar]

im not smart enough to have it use normal conditions for st. so ill keep it as it is to see whats its like if we dont change rota back to st mode and jsut keep blasting rbs

[wary smelt]

theres 2 builds there

[junior gale]

Pick one

[edgy widget]

I still lean toward frenzied but

[restive peak]

Ye same

[keen dove]

powerful is chill

yo

[chilly fractal]

Gotta go fast

[edgy widget]

They’re both fine

[tepid cedar]

1t 4 min

still having rb as prio

[hardy shuttle]

How much of a loss is it to drop the melee attacks dont miss while enraged talent? Melees are only like 1% of overal damage, but idk how much of a rage generation loss it is

[tepid cedar]

and execute at 3 stacks

[hard widget]

💀

[keen dove]

dont just think about damage

you get rage too

[coarse nest]

Might be a play hooky day to farm io before nerfs

[tepid cedar]

1t 4m frenzy deft no of

[wary smelt]

nerfing warrior is a thing of the past come on

[uncut mauve]

For anyone that uses cursed Idol, do you pop it before or after your Rec/Ava

[lilac kettle]

[coarse nest]

I pop it during charge

[lilac kettle]

man press RB, man happy

[charred estuary]

this fucking breakdown lmao

[wary smelt]

what build are you running

[cobalt relic]

reck charge idol rampage avat roar bs

[coarse nest]

Odyns spotted!

[charred estuary]

less than the fucking cape gg

[lilac kettle]

ignore the loudout name/..

[coarse nest]

Actually a sad reality btw

[winter shoal]

Last I checked, frenzied was WAY ahead of powerful (like 1.2%) so that's a pretty massive gulf to make up with just reap

[winter shoal]

Before ava

[restive peak]

Thank god, powerful feels so meh

[coarse nest]

Real

[winter shoal]

I mean it could still be the move on aoe

But I would be surprised

[coarse nest]

Zoomer talent way better

[tepid cedar]

yea not a big diff

[winter shoal]

Haven't run the numbers yet myself

[tepid cedar]

butttt that was on the same aoe apl

[mighty swan]

What do i chose between myth psf ring and myth shoulders for cata ?

[tepid cedar]

not accounted the typical execute conditons for st

so idk how much more it would go up

[olive wraith]

[young swan]

powerful is better in st for me :3

by like 1% or so

[restive peak]

Wut o.o

How much fuckin haste you got LMAO

[hardy cargo]

I saw a ss homie has a cursed amount

[young swan]

cool 40% baseline

[restive peak]

Goddamn lol

I'm at 34% lol

[devout totem]

dawg got all the haste in the world

[smoky vale]

how much haste does showing belly have

[low folio]

i got like 27% haste

[spare steppe]

35% for me, its a 1.5% loss swappin

[tepid cedar]

Yea I’m at 35

Or full bis setups has us at 35 haste

Our*

58 mast

[low folio]

ya i dont raid a bunch outside of random pugging so im just going with my loot drops

[thick oar]

reap the stonks https://i.imgur.com/GNhAvGM.png

[olive wraith]

[cyan creek]

RB over RAmp in big aoe packs?

[coarse nest]

[rigid stirrup]

[young swan]

[lapis shadow]

I'm boutta reap

[junior gale]

Ramp only to refresh enrage or no RB left

[low folio]

i would be at a lot higher haste but this crit vers neck simmed better for me

[tepid cedar]

Fic don’t really seem needed neither

[stiff furnace]

You'd still want to ramp for CDR and enrage i think.

[spare steppe]

now if deft experience let RB at 1s to enrage...

[junior gale]

I said enrage and no the cdr most likely doesn't matter

[balmy shore]

[junior gale]

When your fighting mass aoe and procing reap almost every hit

[olive wraith]

Enrage needs to last longer

So I can rb more

[young swan]

theres nothing else to take and it provides a lot of consistent rage gen

[junior gale]

5 targets I still ramp

[tepid cedar]

Deft

Deft increased dps from fic

Quite a bit

[olive wraith]

You’d need bloodcraze too

[coarse nest]

At a certain point killing the prio target will matter right? So probably don’t just completely forget ST stuff

[tepid cedar]

That build out simmed current of by a decent bit

[olive wraith]

For st I can see it

[tepid cedar]

No aoe

[olive wraith]

But having Of is pretty nice

[hardy shuttle]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/fury/slayer/DAOBUVFEFRBIVapQECBANVUUUUBVRRWhQVCEQEFVVUBF

I did a similar cook

[olive wraith]

Oh?

[junior gale]

Let the reap funnel and executes do it

[tepid cedar]

@olive wraith

[smoky vale]

prio damage is real

[junior gale]

Are Sims updated Apoc?

[young swan]

they are

[junior gale]

Sweet

[olive wraith]

Oh that’s like barely anything lol

[junior gale]

I'll have to check out the apl

[undone olive]

if im going to be playing fury just for keys and not raid, do i craft wep first or double dawn first

[smoky vale]

xantaga will showing belly need keys today

[junior gale]

If there's any target count prios cooks

[young swan]

idk that we've changed the apl yet

[junior gale]

@young swan

Oh

[young swan]

sims are just updated with the reap change

[low folio]

def weapon if you dont have a mythic weapon

[olive wraith]

Do you got double myth weapons?

[junior gale]

Yeah that's what I'm waiting on

[undone olive]

no

[junior gale]

To see what the prio cooks are

[olive wraith]

Wep is big

[undone olive]

ty

[tepid cedar]

Yea reaping changes, mine is just a rudimentary edit on the basic stuff not optimized

[junior gale]

Sounds good

[young swan]

im basically playing slayer like you would play thane but subbing out BT for RB

[junior gale]

I'ma wait patiently for the chefs to optimize

[young swan]

any time you can press rb, you do

[coarse nest]

Will be curious to see what the new apl suggests

But ye probably

[young swan]

and if you cant you press execute or ramp

ramp basically becomes enrage maintenance

[smoky vale]

giev fury funnel

[olive wraith]

Yes

[junior gale]

I've been normal rotation at 7 targets and 8+ ignore exe unless 3 MFE and ignore ramp unless I need to refresh enrage or out of RB charged

[olive wraith]

Agree

[spare steppe]

i dont think fury needs funnel

[coarse nest]

Same here this feels good to play

[spare steppe]

give me the ability to yell at people and bloodlust

[fast mural]

You think if this isn't fixed slayer is gonna be better on araz cause of the ST ?

[smoky vale]

hi did you know unholy is a funnel spec

[olive wraith]

Fury getting funnel would be bigger than bl

[coarse nest]

I bet we’re pretty close to proper prio playing like that

[junior gale]

Yeah first pull floodgate I peaked 25 mil spamming RB

[low folio]

obviously we need buffed again where all damage reap does, 10% of it is sent to primary target, gonna take over the mages job

[olive wraith]

[spare steppe]

funnel puts classes in the crosshairs

[olive wraith]

Arcane is in the crosshairs?

[spare steppe]

they did get some nerfs!

[low folio]

arcane is the reason other classes are in the crosshairs

[young swan]

thane will have higher top end but slayer is way more consistent

[olive wraith]

They’re still huge bud

[spare steppe]

but they're also mages

[low folio]

cant have mage be dethroned

[spare steppe]

well yeah they're massive

but mages are a hero class

[coarse nest]

Anybody reap proc kill themselves on priory shield mob yet

[olive wraith]

Tell your tanks to git gud and go right

🤣

[low folio]

i hate gong right

[olive wraith]

It’s pretty chill this season

[spare steppe]

too many pugs dont have kick keybound to go right

makes me sad i love right

[coarse nest]

I also hate going right even though judgements are ass now if you don’t

[low folio]

i dont see any problem with left side really

[frank dawn]

I prefer left side lol

dealing with the mage is annoying, tank can handle the tank buster unless you are giga pushing

[coarse nest]

When you get to a high enough key level it’s much harder to go left because of judgement

And also the shield reflecting 70%

Iirc

[south kayak]

is there a WA for astral antenna

[frank dawn]

yeah the refelct shield gets dumb at high levels too

[low folio]

sure, but people in like 10s are going right lol, even at 15 left side felt easy

[junior gale]

Well we do have funnel now even if it's minor

Reap casts add up

[olive wraith]

I’m only on resi 13. Right just seems easier

[junior gale]

When you pull trash onto boss

[olive wraith]

Baby funnel. I’ll take it

[junior gale]

Better than nothing

[olive wraith]

I wish more tanks pulled trash onto boss

I can’t wait to do big momma

[junior gale]

Minor funnel and very strong consistent dmg

[low folio]

ohhh i got a neck to replace my crit vers neck recently yay

[junior gale]

Slayer is def gonna be a really fucking good spec for keys

[low folio]

jsut remembered

[charred flint]

poggers woggers

[coarse nest]

Imagine being shadowlands sub rogue where you did piss damage to boss without your funnel mobs

Please no

[junior gale]

Until nerf happens

[frank dawn]

we don't need to be nerfed, leave your trauma behind

it's ok for warrior to be good sometimes

[coarse nest]

No shot they let one button spam remain this good

[hollow leaf]

so assa now

[coarse nest]

It’s sick and I feel we deserve it

But no way

We know blizzard

[olive wraith]

The biggest unknown is if they realized this happened and are okay with letting is stay

[hollow leaf]

meh we were kinda middle of the barrel beforehand

[south kayak]

Guys is there a WA for Antenna

[hollow leaf]

Idk did you search on wago

[south kayak]

I did

it's not there

[edgy widget]

More like 3-4 button, which is exactly the same as it’s ST lol

[olive wraith]

What would you need a wa for

[coarse nest]

Haha fair enough gotta maintain enrage and meatcleaver

[junior gale]

Blizz doesn't think so remember they hate us

[low folio]

sudden death is still pressed

[frozen lake]

This has been our whole spec for the entire expansion

[edgy widget]

Not sure I’d really call it funnel; since you’d do more ST just hard focusing boss

[olive wraith]

?

[frozen lake]

Hitting RB

[olive wraith]

Rb has been good. But not this good

[edgy widget]

Y’all are thinking way too hard about this; the gameplay barely changed

You went from pressing BT to RB, that’s it

[frozen lake]

Exactly

[olive wraith]

You didn’t ignore bt before this season

[frozen lake]

The gameplay is the same as ever

[olive wraith]

It’s not one button though

[edgy widget]

And yes, Slayer has prioritized BT all three seasons

[stoic echo]

5m boss damage DPS

lmao

5.1m without BL on last boss in HoA

dumb af

[hollow leaf]

same as it was before

[coarse nest]

Sometimes you proc reap on forge master adds and some times you don’t

[stoic echo]

yeah dw with arms you have 3.2-3.5m

minor diff

[olive wraith]

Our st didn’t really change though

[halcyon edge]

Sorry for this question. Is it rly good DMG upgrade to spam rb? Not better to reset ultys asap with rampage and execute Spam ?

[stoic echo]

yeah but you didnt play slayer before in HoA

[hollow leaf]

wondering if I should try slayer on our soul hunters rekill

[olive wraith]

Some people did

[coarse nest]

I did

[stoic echo]

He did

[coarse nest]

I’ve played slayer in every key

[hollow leaf]

you still follow execute conditionals

[coarse nest]

Why not

[hollow leaf]

only difference now is you prio rb over bt

[stoic echo]

slay queen

[cerulean cradle]

how good is the ticking sack of terror trinket?

[olive wraith]

There’s a handful of people that just played slayer for higher prio

[hollow leaf]

[coarse nest]

When frost and destro do 4 gorillion aoe damages you might as well bring something good to the table and pump bosses and prio targets

[sullen cloak]

Is the odins fury now the best aoe build for mythic +?

[olive wraith]

Decent st. Ass aoe I think

[cerulean cradle]

so i'm better off getting mythic set i guess

[olive wraith]

I’d say so

[coarse nest]

I also played a lot of thane but ye slayer worked in every key before this change

Now slayer is just alot better

[cerulean cradle]

thane?

[junior gale]

I want to dream Archi let me believe the reaps is enough to consider minor funnel

[coarse nest]

Slayer

[edgy widget]

You can call it funnel, I just wouldn’t call it very good funnel

[junior gale]

I def won't

But it's enough for me to yell at pug tanks to pull onto boss

[cerulean cradle]

so slayer is better now for m+?

[plain edge]

When do we think the class tuning will be out, end of this week/before reset?

[coarse nest]

I’d say so most definitely, As long as reap remains as is right now

[signal locust]

We are good but not mega OP, I see no reason to not leave this intact.

[pliant vine]

did slayer got buff or

[south kayak]

Yeah, we are not really optimizing our ST by spamming RB like that

no?

[sullen cloak]

Are you guys swapping bloodthirst talents for odins fury ones now ?

[frank dawn]

I really don't think OF is the play, but it's so minor either way if you really want to take OF more power to you

[edgy widget]

It’s not that RB single target is bad, you’d just get more if you weren’t casting WW every ~5 GCDs

[halcyon edge]

I see how many rage is unused with the rb spam. Dont feel good for me to not do rampage if i can

[plain edge]

Curious if we'll ever get a quality of life change where WW affects your next 5-6 hits instead of 4

[spare steppe]

do yall like the MS or the crit damage gem?

[south kayak]

that's true

[charred estuary]

we did say that raidbots is up to date right

[edgy widget]

The whole concept of funnel is increasing your ST by using MT abilities, but casting WW loses as much (or more) as it gains from extra Reap procs, so it’s not really funnel

[south kayak]

there are some specs that do not need to change their rotation at all

no matter if it's aoe or st

like sub rogue

[edgy widget]

Fury is now, just about, one of them lol

[south kayak]

or outlaw

assassination too

lmao

all rogue specs

[plain edge]

Sunfury arcane mage kek

[south kayak]

yeah arcane mage

fire mage

[plain edge]

Havoc basically

[south kayak]

ret is the opposite of funnel

they have to press divine storm for aoe

[cedar bloom]

are we playing thane or slayer now in m+?

[plain edge]

Is colossus arms still doing better overall than fury slayer with the changes?

[olive wraith]

Doesn’t fire mage swap on a certain target count

[olive wraith]

Probably

[spare steppe]

shadow funnels too doesnt it?

[south kayak]

there are builds where u only use pyroblast

[olive wraith]

Slurry giga gaps the st portions though

[south kayak]

yeah

[plain edge]

Me only care big overall me happy

[glad coyote]

raid no and m+ fury owns

[plain edge]

Hmm getting mixed responses here

[olive wraith]

Oh I took that as higher overall damage in keys

[restive peak]

16 Ara almost 2 chest

Tome is 714/in ID lol

[olive wraith]

Colo will probably still have higher overall

[plain edge]

Yeah, just highest overall

[glad coyote]

no way in raid

[plain edge]

Don't care about single target

[olive wraith]

In keys my guy

[iron portal]

Wavez, cousin of Revvez

[grave pike]

so defalut slayer is the play for m+?

[glad coyote]

i still prefer fury

[olive wraith]

Slayer fury is doing great

[plain edge]

We're just discussing raw numbers

[olive wraith]

Go see linccs ss look

[plain edge]

Now what we prefer kek

@edgy widget elp

[edgy widget]

Still likely higher overall AoE, offset by less ST

[olive wraith]

[plain edge]

Ty ty

Arms it is then

At least the gap is smaller

[olive wraith]

I’d wager it’s easier to achieve higher overalls as slurry. Since Colo is a bit more min maxing

[edgy widget]

Instead of asking others, why not go play both and tell us what you think? Lol

[charred estuary]

what build is this

[plain edge]

Oh, I was just asking in terms of sims

[restive peak]

OF/TR capstones slayer

[plain edge]

Which one is simming highest

[mint perch]

Is there a channel on here that has a guide on how to best SIM fury aoe on raidbots?

[tepid raptor]

Is there a target cap of haste we should be shooting for? Im sitting at 45% haste with 838 lost due to diminishing returns. Should I be looking at crit/mastery at that point?

[edgy widget]

Don’t worry about sims

[olive wraith]

Trust the sims

We don’t have breakpoints

[gilded pawn]

I remember I cooked up 8 breakpoints back in the day

(None of them actually matters)

But they exist

[plain edge]

Do we still have single minded fury just for the sake of transmog in our talent tree?

[junior gale]

Good sandbag soldier

[plain edge]

Still don't understand why we're losing 1 whole point

As a never pick option

[olive wraith]

We’re not losing a point if we don’t pick it

[plain edge]

I meant in terms of choice diversity

[gilded pawn]

You are pretending as if that’ll be some important point

[proud vessel]

are you playing Frenzied or Powerful enrage with that?

[gilded pawn]

And not like “bloodthirst heals for 50% more”

[plain edge]

Well that's the point, replace it to something that actually is a choice

Rather than pretend like it doesnt exist

[vocal flame]

should I ever be prioing bloodthirst in M+?

[restive peak]

Frenzied

[charred estuary]

if thunderclap is on your bars

[gilded pawn]

A ton of specs have talents you pretend doesn’t exist

[coarse nest]

bloodthirst heals for 300% more
Now we’re talking

[proud vessel]

Maybe a better question, can you share the talents you used? Want to try myself 😄

[plain edge]

Just make me feel more bad for the single hand wielders when fury players roll for 1 handers they'll never use

[olive wraith]

We pretend a bunch of talents don’t exist. Idk why people get hung up on smf

[plain edge]

So dumb

[olive wraith]

I’m sure people do play smf

[vocal flame]

so if im MT, use BT?

[charred estuary]

pretty much

[plain edge]

The whole point is warrior has it worse than pretty much rest

Think madox has a decent video with a ppt on it

[coarse nest]

Do you really care about choice if you just copy paste whatever the most played build is Kek

[plain edge]

On what's been flushed out and added. Looks like a shit show

Think I do

[lapis shadow]

Any1 got some cooked up talents

[plain edge]

Should check how demon hunter plays

You have 3-4 options

[olive wraith]

I don’t know other classes that well. But I imagine everyone has talents that just aren’t picked

[cobalt relic]

does anything change on the talents btw

after hotfix

[young swan]

things can change if u want them to

[cobalt relic]

I dont have the IQ

[young swan]

like u can take OF and roar capstones for giga "uncapped" aoe

[cobalt relic]

to change em to my liking

[olive wraith]

I’m liking fresh meat

[stiff furnace]

People just want SMF to be a close alternative.

[cobalt relic]

I mean it regarding raid

anything changes for that?

[drifting token]

Theres like 4 or 5 different talent sets floating around atm after the change and nothings been nailed down yet, go test like everyone else is

[young swan]

fuck they do

[edgy widget]

It was added to placate SMF diehards who qq on the forums about 1hrs being the only weapon option 25 years ago

[coarse nest]

No!

[olive wraith]

It’s 10% loss. Not the end of the world

[edgy widget]

I have a feeling it won’t survive into midnight

[plain edge]

Right.. so basically no use and makes no sense

Compared to other classes

[olive wraith]

People play the way they want

[coarse nest]

🙏

[plain edge]

Where it has something to do with your gear

[edgy widget]

Well no, it has use and makes sense, it’s just not for us

[plain edge]

Not your play

Imagine priests having the option of wielding a sword instead

[cobalt relic]

@young swan does anything change for raid content talent wise?

[plain edge]

Fuck outa here

[edgy widget]

You’re not losing anything by it being there either though, so who cares?

[olive wraith]

Shamans have a shield talent don’t they

[edgy widget]

Shamans have a lot of talents they don’t use

[olive wraith]

[gilded pawn]

Let’s say it’s gone and replaced with “bt heals for 10% more” did anything change

[plain edge]

Yep as many clases do, but it's not there for the reason archi just highlighted

[edgy widget]

The misconception is assuming that if SMF weren’t there, something else that you really want would be instead

[young swan]

u will probably play slayer on the aoe fights instead of thane cause the aoe is comparable and slayer does infinitely more prio/st

[wind kestrel]

wait is the hotfix live on slayer?

[sinful spoke]

thats what i was doing last night on forgeweaver

[frank dawn]

Infinite is a large number mr. blue man

[sinful spoke]

a lot more boss dmg for a little less add dmg

[plain edge]

It can be a talent note that I don't pick, but just dont have it there for the sake of looting gear because lets be honest we'll never go to 1 hand dual weilding

[young swan]

yeah i mean u actually do ST instead of being an add pad bot

[toxic jewel]

anyone else havin issues logging in?

[sinful spoke]

ys

[gilded pawn]

What’s stopping you from going into arms loot spec

[olive wraith]

If smf was a good talent rn it would be kinda gross to take because slayer is ignoring the left side

Just an example of having a “good” talent in its place wouldn’t equate a better tree

[toxic jewel]

lol so its not just me then

[olive wraith]

Frost has this problem no?

[brittle crow]

im not tripping when i say fury was able to transmog all weps except wands and guns in legion, right

[olive wraith]

Dk

[brittle crow]

why can't we just have that back

[sinful spoke]

cause blizzard is anti fun

[edgy widget]

No tmog has always been restricted by weapon types

[plain edge]

Absolutely not

[brittle crow]

i feel like im being gaslit

[plain edge]

Frost literally has talents specifically geares towards you picking the weapon type

[wind kestrel]

my reap the storm is still doing 5% damage whats wrong

[brittle crow]

fury could absolutely tmog 1handers over the warswords

[gilded pawn]

I don’t think so, their SMF is baseline

[edgy widget]

Fury has never been able to mog 1h <-> 2h

[stiff furnace]

Get rid of SMF. Add a talent where we grown two extra arms for more 2h weapons.

[plain edge]

Your aoe rotation literally changes bases on that

Instead of just "weapon" change

So no, frost is not a good example

[olive wraith]

I mean the looting gear aspect

Frost has the same issue as fury

[edgy widget]

Fury’s ability to dw 1hrs is also baseline, smf just makes it better

FDK did have a talent for 2h, but it also has an inbuilt mechanism w/ runeforging

[plain edge]

They're looting it to actually use it?

Versus you looting for the sake of transmog?

[olive wraith]

They’re using 2h rn

[junior gale]

Was playing Slayer on Araz prog yesterday shit was owning compared to the other warr doing thane

[olive wraith]

Having 1h on the loot table is bad for them currently

[storm birch]

I couldn’t sleep last night out of excitement to run more slayer keys

[plain edge]

That doesn't mean 1 hander dual wield will never be an option

[storm birch]

That key was so fun omg

[plain edge]

It was literally meta season 1 and season 2

[edgy widget]

Yeah they use Unholy loot spec

[plain edge]

When was the last time you used single minded fury on fury?

[brittle crow]

false wtf

[olive wraith]

Then the 2h becomes useless

[heavy galleon]

is that build is good for M+ with the new 4P slayer ?

[junior gale]

Farm that IO before nerfs

[olive wraith]

They actually have it worse than us. Because they can’t guarantee 1h

[edgy widget]

#1273899855852339200

[heavy galleon]

we don't need BT talent right ?

[plain edge]

What are you talking about, go check up the class bis list and what weapons frost dks were using season 1 keys

[soft merlin]

Is blizzard ever going to class balance? Shit a joke right now with ele shammies

[olive wraith]

For slayer? No

[plain edge]

It was 1handers

[olive wraith]

Right

But their loot table has 2h

They are griefed either way

[plain edge]

All I'm saying is you have to roll prot to roll 1 hander

Meaning you can't roll dps trinkets unless ofc its in prot loot as well

[young swan]

what

[olive wraith]

No. Fury

[plain edge]

Otherwise you're just grieving

[olive wraith]

Prot has shields on table

[plain edge]

Since you'll never 1 hander as fury

NEVER

[olive wraith]

What are you talking about now

[junior hill]

i use a 2h and a 1h to simulate a crab

[plain edge]

Do you understand there's a difference between using your drops for the respective spec you're rolling for

Vs just for the sake of looting

[olive wraith]

Frost has it worse than us. Is what I’m saying

[plain edge]

But that's why I just said I feel bad for the rest

Since we yoink

On fury loot spec

[charred estuary]

I just never take off arms spec

[plain edge]

Literally yesterday a fury warrior that doesnt play tank rolls a 99 on a myth 1 hander

[olive wraith]

Why

[plain edge]

Asks him if needs it

[undone flower]

And thank god I’m not a caster with staff + 1handers + off hands choices

[olive wraith]

In raid?

[plain edge]

Responds with "transmog"

Fuck outa here

[charred estuary]

sounds like a that guy problem not a fury problem

[olive wraith]

That’s a guild issue

[plain edge]

Well you're allowing them to have that power by rolling fury

[normal rover]

hello guys , is there is a differnce between sword or axe for fury Orc warrior ?

[plain edge]

Fair game if he rolls prot for it

[vapid tiger]

Nah weapon type doesn't have any affect for you

[olive wraith]

Why did your guild allow it

[plain edge]

Excludes dps trinkets, but ofc wouldnt be perfect

[normal rover]

thx

[plain edge]

Since you can target bosses that 1 handers and no dps trinks

[warm crag]

Is this a guild run or

[pulsar quest]

Well fury can use 1 handlers so that’s why he can roll on them

[narrow fossil]

Hello which buff received warr? Dont see anything in wowhead and idk where are pins in discord cell phone

[pulsar quest]

What’s the issue

[plain edge]

That's the whole point of the argument

[warped fiber]

new m+ is fun af lol

[plain edge]

Why have it as a choice for fury if you're never gonna play it

[pulsar quest]

If you take away the ability to roll on 1 handers then you fuck over the casuals who enjoy SMF

[olive wraith]

That’s not the players fault lmao

[plain edge]

Just remove it

[pulsar quest]

We might never play it

[olive wraith]

Your leaders shouldn’t allow it

[pulsar quest]

But it’s there for a reason

Just because competitive players don’t play it doesn’t mean it’s not used

[olive wraith]

I use fury for 1h for prot

[plain edge]

Why do you assume every scenario is gonna be a guild run lol

[olive wraith]

You said mythic wep

[narrow fossil]

.

[warm crag]

#updates-midnight

[olive wraith]

I doubt people are pugging m raid currently with success