fury

[fading sky]

my point is, if we are farming the critters now, we shouldnt we ?

[rose bay]

Alright only one solution

[hushed ocean]

dk dropped, bm dropped I FUCKING DIDN'T

[rose bay]

shut down the discord untill smf is buffed above aug

(this is a joke)

[fading sky]

but also yes, it will ofc get a nerf

😄

hopefully like 15% per mob or something

and not a full 10%

[rose bay]

man only besing soft capped is nice

[fading sky]

coz then its balls in st

and we need the st

[junior gale]

we are very much competitive with them

[rose bay]

is this why they wount uncap fury

[junior gale]

after today

[fading sky]

for now

yes

and is that illigal

[hushed ocean]

we're not capped anymore

[fading sky]

prob yes

[edgy widget]

if it really needs a nerf, just reducing the 4p bonus reap damage from 150% -> 125% or something would be the most straight forward and least invasive change

[fading sky]

still an ST nerf achie

then give us ST buff 😄

[hushed ocean]

yeah, but ST didn"t change

[fading sky]

not like we can afford the ST nerf in raid

[junior gale]

ngl a nerf would be pretty illegal

[rose bay]

granted, buffs bloodthirst

[warm umbra]

If season 1 enhancement lasted the entire season, this doesn’t seem like a big ask tbh

[dusty seal]

Yo i noticed i only used 15 crest for upgrading my myth weapon after crafting the weapon 2 weeks ago
It wasnt the case last seasons right ?

[fading sky]

i mean budget anything that would make my Overall ST go up is fine

[rose bay]

oh shit was i supposed to use of with this build

[maiden valley]

hello everyone, if i rampage while not enraged, does it benefit from the enrage i get afterwards or no

[edgy widget]

so would be nerfing the proc rate

[fading sky]

always

like this

[fading sky]

i know

i realised

[rose bay]

yeah but im stupid plz just buff the main rotation and not leh filler

[edgy widget]

*always since mid-Dragonflight

[surreal token]

dude

slayer cranks on forgeweaver

[dusty seal]

Ok im dumb then ty

[rose bay]

hell yeah no more thane

[hushed ocean]

but that undocumented change is pretty meh

[edgy widget]

yeah it's gotten a lot better on Soulbinder and Soul Hunters too

[surreal token]

I originally parse whored Mountain Thane and snagged rank 4 on our first kill

[hushed ocean]

and the fact that it's undocumented, really means it's unwanted

[edgy widget]

I still think Thane edges out slightly on both, but Slayer ST is much more ethical on Soulbinder
Soul Hunter Thane is just more forgiving

[surreal token]

then i tried slayer the folloiwng week and did fuck all

[junior gale]

yeah I cranked on soulbinder tonight

[fading sky]

keep in mind ALL AOE done is almost Full st as slayer

[surreal token]

the issue imo with slayer on soul hunters is that the ranged in my guild have terrible target selection

[fading sky]

ye so we loose ST On ww but gain it on reap procs no ?

[surreal token]

so duskblaze gets omega nuked

[edgy widget]

I got R1 over all the Thane boys

[fading sky]

i only do hc

but everytime yes

[edgy widget]

...and then lost it to another Slayer tryhard an hour later

[fading sky]

range never switch

[junior gale]

dont worry theres gonna be that one guy who procs outta of his fucking mind

[edgy widget]

always

[rose bay]

True

[fading sky]

can i ask do we just use same build or is there a cooked build, archimtiros with of and shit?

[surreal token]

i love being unethical

[rose bay]

cant wait to check the logs sunday and see some mad lad with 100% slayer strike procs

[edgy widget]

same ones in #1273899855852339200

[flat river]

mmmm

[pearl sequoia]

these feels like a bug lol, just reap every rb on 5 targets

[flat river]

mythic ring or cata chest

[surreal token]

the issue with forgeweaver is, even when playing slayer

our boss ST is kinda ass

[surreal token]

cos of the dmg amp phase

[edgy widget]

take Roar capstones over Cruel Strikes, and optionally Fresh Meat over Imp BT

[fading sky]

thats why Dimensious HC is my FAV as arms, last ADD I just sweep from boss no1 targets i got 21 seconds of PURE sexecute love of 2 mobs 😛

[edgy widget]

I'd recommend Frenzied Enrage

[flat river]

odyns without bloodborn?

[hushed ocean]

i feel like i'm dropping enrage too fast 🙁

[edgy widget]

can't get to it without spending more talents

[junior gale]

Bruh I didnt even realize I was playing without roar capstone

[edgy widget]

Cruel Strikes isn't bad, but in higher count pulls Roar just ends up amounting to a lot more

[junior gale]

did that 15 and 16 without it

woulda been nice in eco and HOA

[flat river]

i dont play roar capstones i take execute ones

[edgy widget]

Bigbowl insists on Cruel, but I just don't see any way it's better than TR caps, except maybe(?) in Streets

[junior gale]

roar has its place in mass aoe

DB and strees cruel strikes uyeah

[flat river]

mmm

[fading sky]

but ye warrior

[flat river]

cant i just not take wild strikes

[fading sky]

we want ROAR maxxed. but cant afford the bleed talents

[edgy widget]

maybe Dawn, yeah

[fading sky]

😄

Wild strikes is wild though

last time i heard

[flat river]

[radiant plank]

Slarms

[rose bay]

rip old wild strikes, 3 charges. .75 sec cd

[fading sky]

also @edgy widget any chance u can help em cook up a proper Capstone for OF 😄

[rose bay]

kinda like new hamstring

archi can u make em cook up a proper class

[hushed ocean]

TELL THEM WE GONNA SHUTDOWN THE DISCORD if they rollback this shit

[edgy widget]

my suggestion is to add +5s Avatar proc on Titanic Rage; that would help OF a lot and still play into that "jumpstart the rotation" concept

[flat river]

why freshmeat

[fading sky]

yeah

[flat river]

dont we BT from bladestorm

[rose bay]

bladestorm enrage

[edgy widget]

you do, but without Deft, the extra Enrage procs help

[rose bay]

cause no deft

also bt fucking mid

[flat river]

oof

[edgy widget]

and 10% BT damage is only like +0.2% overall

so by having Fresh Meat, you can not only help jumpstart enrage when CDs aren't available, but you can also ensure that your Bladestorm won't fall out of Enrage when you aren't able to get a fresh Enrage first

[rose bay]

oh does this mean we play of dancing blades on single, or is it still the tried and true

[edgy widget]

no, dancing blades is terrible

[fading sky]

we arent taking OF in single

id say

[rose bay]

kk!

[edgy widget]

and yeah, OF is still really bad in ST (hence why I want to add that Avatar proc to it)

[rose bay]

ty!

and damn

ooooh

man

that sucks

but atleast its something new!

[edgy widget]

Seriously, this version of Slayer is like 2 steps away from Greatness

[undone flower]

damn, too bad we /abandon this ecodome

[hardy cargo]

would it be worth swapping unhinged for anything since bt is so dog or do we like the gamba maybe refresh on enrage during bs too much

[rose bay]

mhn now i wonder if we drop titanic rage for uf

[hardy cargo]

like of capstone or uf

[rose bay]

2 charges of bladestorm zoom zoom

[edgy widget]

you can, titanic rage is really bad from a performative standpoint
but, Unbridled isn't that strong either, and Titanic Rage at least feels good to play with

[rose bay]

nodders

[edgy widget]

frankly, if you're not gonna take Titanic Rage, why are you even bothering with OF?

[undone flower]

for now i'm keeping my deft points tbf

[rose bay]

just thinking out loud, im not good at it

me stick to hitting thing with stick

2 sticks infact

[edgy widget]

Because remember, by dropping Deft, you really want to ensure that you get a fresh Enrage before Bladestorm, or the ass end will fall out of the buff

• Titanic Rage helps with that, because you can just OF -> BS -> RB
• but without Titanic Rage, OF really just starts to get in the way, because you want to be enraged before you OF, but you also need to trigger a fresh Enrage before you Bladestorm

so you end up in this really wonky space where you kinda wanna Enrage -> OF -> Enrage -> Bladestorm

[vale berry]

Hi did they buff reap proc rate or something? i feel it procs way more with RB, as much as BT

[edgy widget]

#updates-midnight

[rose bay]

kk! thank u

[warm wharf]

are we ever swapping the delve belt as fury?

[edgy widget]

with a good Mythic belt, yes

[warm wharf]

2nd boss belt?

mastery haste

[edgy widget]

yeah it's not bad

you just need mythic ilvl and/or a socket to replace the DISC

[undone flower]

with this sequence, i feel you lose the purpose of the OF "burst", if you need 2 rampages in the same window you would need 1 with deft before starting RB reap farming

[edgy widget]

Exactly, it's awkward af

[vale berry]

oh neat, slayer's back on the menu

[edgy widget]

For how good it feels to use, it's a god damn travesty how bad Titanic Rage is in terms of numbers, but it's also the only way Odyn's Fury fits smoothly into the rotation, so taking it is just kind of the cost of doing business

[surreal token]

I miss legion OF

[remote bobcat]

Thank you for your contributions archi

[undone flower]

my awful opinion on it, OF and onslaught should be switch positions

[edgy widget]

I mean the current OF feels good, it just needs tuning love

[rose bay]

maybe it gets it next week

blizz sees us using it and gives it some lovven

or nerfs the fuck outa it

s1 repeat

[surreal token]

we're def getting nerfed

[remote bobcat]

The feeling directly correlates to how much it pumps for many people innit?

[rose bay]

well, i gueees i dont have to track bloodthirst with this build anymore

[vale berry]

What is the use of the "Focus in chaos" talent? the talent that make auto attacks not miss? I don't know why one would care about auto attacks

[surreal token]

I dont believe fo r asecond that blizz is ok w/ allowing warriors to be this strong

[junior gale]

if we get nerfed im eating a shoe

[edgy widget]

like I was saying, this iteration of Fury is like two steps away from greatness

• buff OF and Onslaught so that you they provide good single and multitarget "mini-CDs" to mix into the rotation
• add Fan of Longswords during Recklessness (or Avatar), so that you don't have to WW quite as much during CDs
  do both of those things, and Slayer would be absolutely perfect

[surreal token]

Any time we get juice

[junior gale]

or something

[rose bay]

auts nice damage and rage

[surreal token]

they just ufck us

[junior gale]

I highly doubt

[rose bay]

autos

[rose bay]

get a pair. ill partake in the other one

[surreal token]

onslaught would actually bang

I MISS ONSLAUGHT

[warm umbra]

season 1 enhancement 😊👍
Season 1 fury 🤬 👎

Make it make sense

[rose bay]

get rid of onslaught, make rampage auto cast ww

[forest ginkgo]

For the rotation as slayer in m+, when is it smart to execute? Or when do we prio it over say spamming raging blow?

[undone flower]

no

[edgy widget]

that's fan of longswords, and why not just have both? lmao

[proud vessel]

How close is Slayer now to Thane?

[warm umbra]

Better

[rose bay]

derp i dumb

or ill play it off and say, oh just have it up perma

no fuss no muss, abc, always be cleaven

[undone flower]

i just checked what was fan of the longswords, i saw the icon ....

[edgy widget]

my only real complaint of Slayer is that it's kind of a 3-button rotation spamming RB/Exe/Rampage

adding Onslaught would help break the single target up a bit, without being used so frequently that it jumbles the otherwise fluid rotation; similar to how OF fits into multitarget

[toxic jewel]

we havent used onslaught all xpac xD

[dense elbow]

At least OF can fit in taking the spot of a WW. There is no way ya would be able to fit in OS with out it being what is basically is, RB+ proccing Reap

[vale berry]

how are autos nice damage, it does like 1% or our damage, this talent may buff it by maybe 10% if generous... this talent is maybe a 0.1% damage increase

[surreal token]

yep

[rose bay]

man it fuckin feels weird taking bt off completly form my bar

[edgy widget]

I don't want Onslaught to be a multitarget button; I don't mind that it can cleave, but it should not be as generally strong as OF in that regard

[warm umbra]

Where does execute fit in the new m+ rotation

[rose bay]

Raaaage

u still generate resources from it

[edgy widget]

same place as before, focusing on mark for CDR

[rose bay]

but maybe, im sure som e sim knows if we should use it or not

[proud vessel]

With the new change to Slayer should we still use the M+ talents from wowhead or the ones that are send in this discord with OF?

[warm umbra]

Bro dont take it off the bar completely LOL

[vale berry]

meh I don't really see a big difference plus rage we have enough rage generation already

[warm umbra]

What if u need to enraged regen

To live

And u dont have it bined

[clever iron]

slayer feels good now what u guys think a bug or?

[rose bay]

just toss it in a sim and see then, i dont wanna give a feels craft answer

[warm crag]

You can sim the difference of removing the talent if you want, you already got all the answers regarding why not missing a chunk of free damage is good

You can also just drop the Talent no one is stopping you

[warm wharf]

this week is also another hard choice, craft myth bracers and upgrade antenna twice or craft hero bracers for free and upgrade antenna to max

[rose bay]

and im personally real fucking stupid, and just suckle on skyholds knowledge dong till they figures out the build

[winter kernel]

I simmed and it is telling me to take sack, is it good in actual play or just sims well?

[rose bay]

Hero bracers no?

[warm crag]

Would i rather eat an apple or punch a wall repeatedly

[proven stream]

Hero bracers obviously

[edgy oasis]

Sack is good yah

[undone flower]

all my money is on the first boss reclear drops the chest AND arcano

slurp all the loot

[golden badge]

Is authority of depths so bad now we just take 2nd stats on weapon as enchant ?

[proven stream]

Why u wanna use shitty st only enchant

[edgy widget]

prob hero bracers for free, I made a post about this in #updates-midnight earlier

[edgy widget]

Authority didn't get any worse, it just hasn't gotten any stronger, while our own damage has gone up considerably due to a new tier's worth of item level inflation

e.g. last season we had 80k strength, this season we're at 115k; which secondary stats benefit more

[warm wharf]

i missed the 2nd point in that, fair point will antenna up

[cobalt relic]

wdym

[warm wharf]

"Bracers aren't a high budget slot, so unless you don't have anything else worth spending Gilded Crests on, its not a bad idea to (re)craft your Writhing embellished bracers to 704/Runed/Heroic instead of maxing it out right away. If you're still using Runed upgrades, remember that you get a free Enchanted Runed Ethereal Crest from defeating Dimensius at the end of the campaign, which is easy to do in LFR or Story Mode."

[rose bay]

hi!

[long lintel]

hälp. sim tells me to take shoulders; if i sim multitarget it tells me to take idol. next mythic boss is araz for our guild. any advice what to take? 😢

[vale berry]

should we really avoid using "stats weights" from raidbots? seems usefull to me

[edgy widget]

the issue with stat weights is that they change every time you make a change

swap a gem, enchant, or piece of gear and your stat weights may very well be completely different than they were before, and it's that lack of permanence which makes them a flawed measurement of value

[simple sun]

jesus slayer is now perfect

[junior gale]

15 Flood

[edgy widget]

almost! #fury message

[junior gale]

21 mil first pull just blasting reap was nice

[simple sun]

aight truee

[dense elbow]

[flat river]

ok which one guys, chest with cata or bis ring

[flat river]

FUNKYY

what do u think

slayer big now

[vale berry]

yeah make sense, its still usefull to tweak your current gear and see what stat you really need right now

[flat river]

archi sorry for replying on the image

[dense elbow]

Slayer not big, slayer just finally caught up

[flat river]

xD

[flat river]

which is big

ring or chest funky

[edgy widget]

they can be informative, sure; just shouldn't rely on them

[dense elbow]

Chest for mainstat probs

[edgy widget]

[flat river]

archi where is my exclusive chef role 🤨

[dense elbow]

Gala hyped up, it is a good day for Fury

[flat river]

real

im aboutta run some keys with it

[dense elbow]

Enjoy finally not being hamstrung on AoE

[flat river]

thing is thane is clunky

and relies too much on procs

[junior gale]

thane is dead

[flat river]

slayer too yes but

[junior gale]

all hail slayer

[flat river]

slayer procs are much higher chance

[dense elbow]

Reap is a proc too tho

[lusty jungle]

imo ring since first 2 mythic are the pugable ones

[flat river]

yes but it's almost guarenteed on multiple targets

[junior gale]

67% chance on RB hit pssshhh basically guaranteed every hit

vs 30% on 30% rng

[dense elbow]

100% of the time it prices 67% of the time every time

[jolly parrot]

no sparkr quest this week?

none in dornogal

[flat river]

there is

delve oine

go to brann

if you already have the quest

in your quest log

just do it

or abandon it and retake

just incase

[jolly parrot]

oh now

[dense elbow]

Delve tho, not worth wait till next week

[jolly parrot]

i got weapon in vault

[dense elbow]

Big, gz

[flat river]

@dense elbow u going to work or do u wanna run some keys

[dense elbow]

Work work

[flat river]

[dense elbow]

Btw,Archi boy, give word when apl sims been played with. Would be funny if we end up down prio BS and jazz for RB

It would be perfect for the direction RB seems to be pushed in

[junior gale]

For sure BT is dead

[digital arrow]

Do we still Go for thane, or do we Switch to slayer now in m+ ?

[junior gale]

Right now it's figuring out what target count you ignore ramp and exe for RB spam

[dense elbow]

BT already was only a BS amp

[flat river]

both is good

we are testing the slayer build still

but slayer is more fun

[digital arrow]

🫡

[junior gale]

Thane for sure dead

[digital arrow]

Ty good sir

[junior gale]

Sure you can highroll on pulls but Slayers consistency and ST is very good

Also mass AOE is really good just spam RB for reap on 20 targets

And profit

[vernal laurel]

Guys, I dont really know how to sim the Screams trinket, but would it be worth it to pick a hero version over some other Myth item?

[dense elbow]

Prio dam minmax and AoE dam now, the value diff is too big to ignore for the sweats

[late stratus]

I just find pressing whirlwind for cleave is annoting playing slaywr

[junior gale]

Like avg TB proc luck Slayer for sure does the same if not more aoe

[late stratus]

tb is such a feel good ability

[dense elbow]

If ya prefer Thane, play it. It ain't any weaker, overall it still does more. Same weakness

[proud vessel]

Slayer is also simming higher for me

with 4p

[junior gale]

All the 15s and 16s I did was just pumping doing more than I was as thane

[proud vessel]

What build were you using?

[dense elbow]

Maybe cause slayer is easier to play right

[junior gale]

Nah thane much easier

[astral igloo]

i was doing more in slayer and thane is much easier

[junior gale]

Just hit TB and BT

Slayer has some target count prios to play around

[broken zealot]

heya, can i ask ur opinion on a trinket, i have netherprism in my vault, but on say wowhead the trinket aint even listed and when i sim, it sims low. however i know people who have it and all say its great, any of u use it?

[heavy dock]

mmmm.... boring legs

altho dimensius trinket i heard was good no

[dense elbow]

I will just add, to poke the ones that actually know. On the PTR it was 'ok' and nothing special

[broken zealot]

ok thank you

[slate sun]

Reap is uncapped no?

So it’s kinda the play in M+ now for sure

[dense elbow]

8t soft

[junior gale]

Not for us no don't worry about it

[slate sun]

Surely thane is still competitive and I wonder how forge / soulbinder fare now or it’s just hard slayer now

[junior gale]

I played Slayer on reclear

Thane dead in raid too

[proven stream]

Nothing changed with thane so it's as good as its been

[junior gale]

Maybe still good on soul hunters

[slate sun]

My thoughts too, surely 2/3 target thane wins

On sustained cleave

[junior gale]

More so crackling thunder for big range TB claps those bosses like to move around and you need to be stacked decently tight for reap

[modern moon]

Since I got a ring in vault, my time to ask: why is Jastor broken? The buff does nothing or what? Even tho my details show me having uptime on "I did that" buff?

[junior gale]

Don't think to hard just replace it or sim

[slate sun]

Also true

[heavy dock]

on soulhunters its good

[tranquil nimbus]

the Reap the storm buff is kinda insane

[trim hound]

Got myth Sac and Antenna in vault, atm they both sim equally. I'm conflicted

[junior gale]

Read what I said after that

[tranquil nimbus]

(weekly 10 halls)

[junior gale]

You are way more likely to see antenna again you won't see sac again

[late stratus]

surelt antenna then since its ”harder” to get since evertone abd they mothrr needs it

[slate sun]

You wouldn’t play the roar talents in M+?

[junior gale]

Also not a big deal cuz Dinar will exist

[proud vessel]

Depends on how high your key is, the higher the key the more boss dmg matters and Cruel Strikes becomes more valuable

These are the talents Noxiv just showed on his stream in a +17 HoA

[slate sun]

OVERALL IS KING

[proud vessel]

xD

[slate sun]

I’m assume it’s comp dependent too

[junior gale]

More dependent on the dung

[slate sun]

I usually play with frost dk and rogue friends so I think the ST isn’t that value?

[junior gale]

Big AOE dungeons take roar talents and OF

[proud vessel]

Warr, DH, Rogue, Druid tank

[vernal laurel]

Guys is Screams a meme or actually good in M+ or Raid?

[proud vessel]

was his comp

[junior gale]

Smaller dung take cruel no OF

[proud vessel]

What are the big AOE dungeons?

[slate sun]

OF 🙁

[proud vessel]

Also how do you play with OF now?

[slate sun]

The question is do you talent for gambit beach or gambit rest lol

[junior gale]

Was playing OF all day was nice

[junior gale]

Every one but streets and DB

For sure priory flood

[heavy dock]

guys need some suggestions here, dimensius trinket is simming nearly 2% dps increase for single target but myth legs are simming higher for aoe 5 targets.. any suggestions?

[proud vessel]

What is our opener with OF?

[junior gale]

I would still go OF Roar your ST as Slayer fuckin owns still

[slate sun]

Is OF essential? I always forget to press it lol since season 1

[junior gale]

Reck/ava OF BS roar

[vernal laurel]

Depends on what content you are focusing on

[hardy cargo]

might be worth of of/roar before cds

[proud vessel]

Thanks and then just pop on cd after?

[vale berry]

knowing blizz, they will "fix" by making reap 20% chance flat regardless of target count, on both RB AND BT, while not giving any compensation

[junior gale]

Yeah archi was talking about that would be a minor opt

I pref the simplicity

[heavy dock]

well im doing a hc raid every week and some m+ so whatever really

[proud vessel]

Do we still press Execute in 5+ targets?

[heavy dock]

for now im just gearing

[slate sun]

For bladestorm Dr yeah I imagine

[junior gale]

Don't know till robot is updated but I was doing at 8+ targets RB above all and only exe at 3 MFE and only ramp to refresh enrage or no RB charges

[slate sun]

Also if you WW while charging you hold OF to add stacks or?

[junior gale]

Reap on big pulls is a lot of dmg

Exe and ramp ain't doing much for you

[heavy dock]

ok so the myth legs are around 1% increase on aoe.. i think ill go with dimens trinket

other than just having big ilvl brr

which would suck not taking it true

but i cant see a world where i win dimens trink lol.. didnt even see it drop yet

[blissful delta]

holy shit reap is insane now

[proud vessel]

Fair, thanks!

[vernal laurel]

Same, have the same choice and cant really choose. Dont know if Screams is good in M+

[heavy dock]

allegedly its pretty good from what i remember reading here

[junior gale]

It is not good in M+

Well not bad

Just mid

[dense elbow]

No, it isn't essential, it just some AoE burst potential. Neat for adds and stuffs on bosses, but not any giga value

[junior gale]

Mid meh whatever you wanna call it

Just finding reasons to drop all BT talents

Now that RB is king

Numbers are gonna come down to deft vs OF

[dense elbow]

Dropping BT talents weakens BS casts making RB even stronger comparably

Make OF and BS great again

[proven stream]

Which BT talents buff bs?

[slim coral]

Fury is a W

[dense elbow]

All of them, BS got a node under it called unhinged

[slate sun]

Unhinged

[slim coral]

DN

[junior gale]

[proven stream]

Ok fair I was thinking actual bs dmg

[vale berry]

is there even a chance for reckless abandon to be a thing or am i reaching

[slim coral]

Reaching

[slim coral]

Goodnight tho yappers

[dense elbow]

Could be, depending on how valuable RB Vs BS is on AoE

[smoky vale]

@junior gale i need ekys on my dk bro

[proud vessel]

Do we know when this will be updated?

[slim coral]

Ugly ahh Mount

[dense elbow]

Nn

[junior gale]

I got 40 IO points today

Slurry owns

[smoky vale]

i just got 30 by doing a trap priory

[south kayak]

nerf angle

jumped from 2nd worse to best

[junior gale]

It's not a nerf angle don't put that bad juju on us

We don't need that

[south kayak]

I am not putting any juju

I'm being realistic

this isn't staying like this

tbf there's very few runs too

so idk how it averages out with more

[junior gale]

It will lower

It will take time for the masses to figure out no one's looking at fury especially since this change was unannounced

And Blizz doesn't tune around the mini game that is M+

[sudden tusk]

its the anti ret paladin

so many bad ret logs the class gets a 5% buff and is insane

too many good warrior logs and we get shot

[junior gale]

God I can't wait to see tuning notes on Friday to see a Slayer 4pc nerf

[earnest canyon]

what site is this from?

[proud vessel]

what is this?

[south kayak]

mythicstats

[grand crypt]

sample size is still too small

[south kayak]

Yeah, I agree

[grand crypt]

they should nerf frost dk first

[junior gale]

Don't forget the reality is all the fotm DKs tanking their avg

[grand crypt]

if they nerf fury instead of dk, i quit

[junior gale]

It's prob gonna happen

Blizz hates seeing fury succeed

[south kayak]

The difference between ele shaman's top and average is funny

[smoky vale]

bozo

do you wanna come this week

🙂

[slate sun]

Where is this from?

[grand crypt]

warrior got nerfed everytime when it become a bit strong

[south kayak]

mythicstats

[craggy raptor]

I bet blizz will nerf fury somehow as it was in previous seasons. In their pov warrior is mid a

[grand crypt]

if Blizz really hate warrior, pls just delete it

im done

[junior gale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/590333020737634333/1333138506612211752/--.gif

[craggy raptor]

It was good attempt blizz but i won't back dis time

[smoky vale]

we killed i tbor

[junior gale]

I'll come

[frosty scroll]

can i recraft my s2 bracers into s3 ilvl or do i need to craft anew, i forgor

[heavy dock]

u can

[frosty scroll]

ait, thanks

[brittle crow]

wait what did i miss

stealth buff and now we're op?

[junior gale]

Very competitive with the top now

[brittle crow]

in raid or keys

[junior gale]

Keys

[brittle crow]

thane is dead just like that??

[junior gale]

For keys yeah

[tranquil nimbus]

yeah fuck thane anyway

[south kayak]

more like meta

[tranquil nimbus]

the TB reset rng is ass anyway

[heavy ether]

that's right, get rekt u enhancement shaman wannbies

[brittle crow]

so like

[south kayak]

too far

[brittle crow]

fury getting nerfed to shit again yea

?

[junior gale]

Small sample size

[south kayak]

you have a small sample size chatting

[junior gale]

Of course Blizzard can't let a brown class thrive

[junior gale]

[south kayak]

is blizzard racist?

[brittle monolith]

what would you pick, mythic tier legs(loom'ithar) or mythic ara kara trinket? 🤔

[junior gale]

Yes

[south kayak]

trinket

[tranquil nimbus]

they definitely drink breast milk

[south kayak]

it's not gonna be hard to get mythic tier legs

especially since it's from 2nd boss

[brittle monolith]

ya thats what im thinking

[flint lotus]

Need some help, pls! Should I pick belt? (Gonna miss the Container, kinda like it) I have simmed for Slayer ST and MT 5 targets + 1 target, but feel like kinda bait from sim and hard when I can't get every item scenario.. (Gonna craft wrists today)

[south kayak]

myth ara is gonna be harder until we get turbo

but that's gonna take a while

[brittle monolith]

maybe socket angle?

[cobalt relic]

can we craft mythic wrists if we did not have the embellished version before

[blissful delta]

ngl slayer feels illegal now

[toxic jewel]

my finger hurts

raging blow, raging blow, raging blow...................... lol

[cobalt relic]

what we do

fk

idol and set piece

[jolly parrot]

what ssite is that

[unreal onyx]

Ring is yuge

[blissful delta]

Sadge heroic sabre 🙁

[cobalt relic]

rlly

[unreal onyx]

In theory according to wowhead it's "bis"

[cobalt relic]

but mythic tier piece

[blissful delta]

the belt is haste mast no?

[unreal onyx]

But that is with all the other gear aswell

[cobalt relic]

yes

[flint lotus]

Angle?

[unreal onyx]

Angle

[blissful delta]

angel

[junior gale]

Ange

[cobalt relic]

what we go

mythic set piece

[tight roost]

Mythicstats

[cobalt relic]

idol mythic

or belt mythic

or ring mythic

[junior gale]

Not even a question idol

[cobalt relic]

but BELT HASTE MASTERY

AND RING BIS

AND SET PIECE MYTHIC

[unreal onyx]

The trajectory of the outcomes of the weekly vault this player encountered hints towards a potential taking of tokens in exchange for a socket they can put in their equipment to improve the preexisting statistics of said item

[blissful delta]

nah Glove Idol or belt

[cobalt relic]

I CANT DECIDE

[junior gale]

Not even close

It's idol

[cobalt relic]

wait idol

has leech

as wellk

[flint lotus]

Sorry, which one is that? :p

[blissful delta]

you have like 1.5k more main stat on myth piece

[unreal onyx]

Idol cast time immediate dealbreaker

[cobalt relic]

i get u but MYTHIC TIER PIECE OR BELT

[unreal onyx]

(To me)

[blissful delta]

LOL

WHY ARE WE YELLING

[junior gale]

Idol is your best M+ trinket and you will never see on myth track again

[cobalt relic]

I AM INDECISIVE

[junior gale]

Belt ring and hands are nothing

For that reason

[blissful delta]

IF YOU THINK YOU WILL GET TIER GLOVES IN RAID SOONISH

SEND THE IDOL

[cobalt relic]

its m,ythic tier

I have 4p

but heroic track..

[blissful delta]

yeah exactly

[cobalt relic]

look at the belt

THO

[south kayak]

I won't

[blissful delta]

soulbinder is easy to kill so im assuming you have it on farm

which means you will probably get it soonish

[south kayak]

Sentinel is harder than Soulbinder

[maiden ingot]

Whats your prio? M+ or Raid? M+ Idol, Raid anything else, both, anything else imo

[south kayak]

that's crazy

1st boss harder than third

[unreal onyx]

Real

[cobalt relic]

both

[unreal onyx]

(I wasnt in any soulbinder kills yet)

[cobalt relic]

so what we take then

[south kayak]

isn't sentinel the hardest first boss ever

[warm crag]

Lolxd dot com

[unreal onyx]

Loomithar lowkey also easy asf

[blissful delta]

just get trinket if you guys are killing soulbinder

[brittle crow]

is the built just regular slayer m+ build

[warm crag]

Keep it down low

[jolly parrot]

this week new dmg buff?

[maiden ingot]

Plenty of the Season left to play and gamble for trinket or get competitive options. If you do both, focus on the immediate

Aka raid

[south kayak]

I haven't tried yet, but I think Soulbinder should be easier

[unreal onyx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294680138042183711/1358901241375359179/Battle.net_J86KgwOoYA.gif

[maiden ingot]

Turbo boost also coming so you might be able to buy

[cobalt relic]

why not belt

[undone flower]

another warrior doomed

[south kayak]

lmao

Guys pray for me to get 4p on my warrior this week

(alt)

[warm crag]

Rip kendrick-draenor @young swan @bitter palm

[blissful delta]

we are already clsoe if not stat capped on haste/mastery

[unreal onyx]

Surely I will get skyreaver in vaultge today

[blissful delta]

sim yourself

[south kayak]

You will not

[blissful delta]

but i would suggest trink

[maiden valley]

Good evening gentleman, a question about rampage:

when casting rampage while not enraged, does the rampage benefit from the enrage it grants or not? (Or perhaps the first hit doesn’t benefit but the rest do?)

[south kayak]

it does

[golden badge]

sadge

[south kayak]

what is that sad

[warm crag]

You need to be permabanned

[south kayak]

^

[unreal onyx]

^

[blissful delta]

lmao

[cobalt relic]

spongie

[brittle crow]

LMAO I JUST HIT TARGET DUMMIES

what the fuck blizz

[cobalt relic]

HELP ME SPONGIEBOB

[brittle crow]

this has to be a mistake

[south kayak]

I wonder what's the dps % for 4p in aoe

[warm crag]

Idk have you simmed it

[south kayak]

I haven't

because I don't have it

[unreal onyx]

Impossible

[warm crag]

Not u you noob

[south kayak]

fair

[warm crag]

But also you can sim that too

You noob

[jolly parrot]

are u master yi silence

[blissful delta]

its at least 100 dps higher than before

[south kayak]

my warrior is like 670 and i have 2p only

saj

[jolly parrot]

HAHAH

[warm crag]

Top gear lets you add 4p noober

[cobalt relic]

HAHAHAH

yes

[south kayak]

surely I'll get 4p from lfr or normal raid

[jolly parrot]

cba

[south kayak]

[jolly parrot]

u animal

[cobalt relic]

bro

[jolly parrot]

wheres GRASS

[south kayak]

I know, i cba

[unreal onyx]

Don't you have like 3 charges of catalyst already

[cobalt relic]

what u say

trinket has leech

@jolly parrot

[south kayak]

I used one already

My warrior has 2 becuase I don't have 2k

[jolly parrot]

TAKE TRINKET FORR KEYS

ofc

[unreal onyx]

Yo guys what should I pick from my vault

[cobalt relic]

https://tenor.com/view/traewockhardt-sad-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-16591014784735052511

[junior gale]

Sockst

[south kayak]

what should I pick

[cobalt relic]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1073246901606039654/1139748703297613956/Media_221119_135304.gif

[brittle crow]

lmao???

[blissful delta]

fuck it bro get the weapon, trust

[south kayak]

guys is this trinket good

[jolly parrot]

tf u doing in wow @cobalt relic

[unreal onyx]

Guys my vault is juiced

[cobalt relic]

grinding bro

[cobalt relic]

https://tenor.com/view/broly-stop-it-stop-it-dragon-ball-gif-6456921007148659374

[blissful delta]

nah that heroic sabre is very rare grab it quick

[junior gale]

Y'all struggle to much just pick something vault takes me 2 min max to figure out every week

[south kayak]

pick this bro

[jolly parrot]

leaguess dead no

[unreal onyx]

Ya'll still use your vault for upgrades, I use it for tmog

[south kayak]

^

transmog is eternal

[unreal onyx]

True

[cobalt relic]

trinket it is

[south kayak]

I'm gonna try to get into normal raid group where nobody uses zenith

wish me luck

[cobalt relic]

fine

[cobalt relic]

fk league bro

[jolly parrot]

funnel dead no silencee seen

[warm crag]

Weapon

[blissful delta]

get scammed bro he took trinket LUL

[unreal onyx]

Gaslighting really does work

[south kayak]

I really don't feel like playing if I don't have 4p

but I need to play to get 4p

[unreal onyx]

Buy hc vip run and don't play but still get 4p

[south kayak]

I don't have gold

[blissful delta]

buy token

[unreal onyx]

||rmt moment||

[south kayak]

buy it for me

you'll have my gratitute

that should be enough

[blissful delta]

you can probably boost +2 keys with 2pc

decent money

[unreal onyx]

Heroic non-vip 650k

Vip then what? Like 800k?

[jolly parrot]

900k

1m

[unreal onyx]

That's like 40$

alledgedly

[kind bolt]

why did they remove the battle shout cooldown while evokers still have a cd for their buff

[unreal onyx]

They removed bshout cd?

[warm umbra]

“We felt like fury was in a rough spot so we have reduced battle shout cooldown to 0 seconds”

Gee thanks blizz

[blissful delta]

😂

[wicked beacon]

The slayer hidden 4-set fix is kinda nice

[south kayak]

The animation looks annoying

maybe they didn't want them spamming that

[unreal onyx]

That was the reason they added it in the first place for bshout I think

[south kayak]

yeah, it's just very loud

AARRRGH

[south kayak]

It used to have a CD because it generated rage

maybe that's why

[south kayak]

Melee Range

[vestal mulch]

guys is fury back

[jolly parrot]

indeed

[warm umbra]

So back

[junior gale]

Never left

[vestal mulch]

finally

[south kayak]

this is like when my father came back with milk after 20 years

[vestal mulch]

real

[junior gale]

The incoming nerf Friday is like him leaving again

[brittle crow]

https://streamable.com/08lpcm

who did this

wheres the warrior dev

i have questions for them

[south kayak]

It was me

I hacked the mainframe

[brittle crow]

we had a good thing going you son of a bitch

we had all the upper mid tier we could ever want

we had our spot in raid

now its gonna all come crashing down

[south kayak]

Why is your details so damn wide

[heavy ether]

friday is going to suck

[smoky vale]

come carry my amge

[south kayak]

it does not need to be that wide

[brittle crow]

maybe YOU dont need to be that wide

eat a salad

[south kayak]

damn

[smoky vale]

carry my mage fruiter

[junior gale]

Fucking owned

[south kayak]

this would hurt me if I was fat

good job

[brittle crow]

still outdpsed by mage gg

[junior gale]

You're fat in his mind and that's all that matters

[south kayak]

[smoky vale]

if you lose to this

[junior gale]

[smoky vale]

get help

[south kayak]

lost to season 2 mage

you know what's funny, I just hit 3m sim on my warrior

lol

and i have 2p

what is this

[junior gale]

Stop playing things non warrior fury is meta now GG

[south kayak]

Fury is gonna be meta for a day and a half

[junior gale]

Nah at least a week

Nerfs will be next reset

[south kayak]

I hope they don't fix this until I get 4p

🙏

[junior gale]

Def seems intentional tbh nothing to fix

[south kayak]

I would say they should nerf the reap from RB

[junior gale]

This is how BT works with reap and was weird RB didn't work thendame

[south kayak]

instead of 150%

make it 100%

or something

[junior gale]

Would be the most likely angle if they do decide to nerf

[south kayak]

They can also just buff RB damage from 4p back

since we'd lose ST that way

[junior gale]

Wouldn't lose much

[south kayak]

true

but still

[brittle crow]

arent u stinky eu

[smoky vale]

no

bro

i merced for your uigld

xd

[frank dawn]

I mean why do we think we need to be nerfed anyway? Yes we have really strong damage now, but it doesn't seem to be op or anything. It's just a really strong damage spec, which is good considering we offer almost nothing else lol

[smoky vale]

after resil 16s on dk

[sage ridge]

How big is the Aoe increase with this new change to Slayer?

[south kayak]

at least three

[wicked beacon]

Feels very good

Topping damage in ecodome

[brittle crow]

oh right

[viral shore]

So with the stealth fix for 4p do we switch to the Wowhead Slayer build for m+?

[blissful delta]

yes, it's just better than thane

[brittle crow]

sims not updated yet

[wet locust]

say sike

[brittle crow]

has anyone made a temp sim fix for reap

[brittle crow]

5 targets btw

not even 8

[blissful delta]

literally enrage keep ww stacks and spam rb lol

[wet locust]

back to arms it is

slayer is snooze central

[brittle crow]

arms is the same btw

same buff

[wet locust]

😡

[brittle crow]

top 2 dps is slayer fury followered by slayer arms i think lmao

[south kayak]

Ar\ms can't spam OP like that

[wet locust]

we can release hero talents

releases an entirely passive tree

[blissful delta]

it'll get adjusted surely, I haven't felt this good about damage since early season 1 raid and we all know what happened then

[brittle crow]

by that logic thane is also entirely passive

silly argument

[wet locust]

dont be daft

[brittle crow]

u

[left pasture]

Hello, Has anyone tested slayer in mm+ with the new changes we have good AOE damage?

[brittle crow]

we have the best aoe damage

top 1, expect nerfs

thane is dead atm

[heavy dock]

hope we dont get nerfed till i get home tot ry a key lol

[junior gale]

The change is nothing for arms slayer

[proven stream]

War is fine, no nerf needed

[hollow leaf]

just got antenna in vault

what miss chance do you set it to

[radiant coyote]

Arms cant hit 5 targets bro

[digital arrow]

So we just keep ww and enrage and spam rb?

[warm umbra]

Correct

[heavy dock]

yes

[warm umbra]

Big dam

[brittle crow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1412722199386914866/image.png?ex=68b95393&is=68b80213&hm=47480ef03e96db354624ac8ea165f37bc57ccfb114d6bab9adef0289b211f478&

zzzzzzzz

[junior gale]

That's not Slayer u dum dum

[blissful delta]

up 24 ranks lmao

[jolly parrot]

can u link the website

[pale lava]

such a bad site tbh

[brittle crow]

idk i repost things i dont have the context for to prove my incorrect arguments

[digital arrow]

And then we Go Boom ?

[brittle crow]

no idk what this graph shows

[pale lava]

7.4 on frost when I've seen them do 11m overalls

[brittle crow]

dont even know what it is

[heavy dock]

yea cuz tier lists are shit

always have been in retail

[pale lava]

best not to trust it

[heavy dock]

theres a lot of performance difference contributing to dps

[blissful delta]

thats from mythicstats

it's owned by ret paladins plotting our downfall

[sage ridge]

Slayer is about to get shafted soon

Can't have warrior performing this well

[wicked beacon]

True

[stoic echo]

it was a good run

salute

o7

psure they'll just revert it

its not a documented change

[brittle crow]

but also the change makes it work as intended

[wicked beacon]

20% damage done by reap is funny xD

[brittle crow]

they'll likely just nerf reap

[wicked beacon]

But what if... They don't do anything?!

AMAGAD

[brittle crow]

brown

sorry

[warm umbra]

If only

[brittle crow]

not happening

[sage ridge]

They might just say fuck it and nerf thane while they're there too

[blissful delta]

excuse you sir, we can't have nice things around here

nice try

[wet locust]

is idol sim bait?

[digital arrow]

but reap the storm talent says only bloodthirst has a chance tho

am i missing smth ?

[cursive sierra]

y

[brittle crow]

tier

[digital arrow]

ah yeah

so still ww and enrage up and just spam rb

[blissful delta]

2% chance to 20 is intended right?

🙂

[hollow leaf]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pFuY5civJpCRza6Lh9FNY9

ig we wait for reclear until I pick anything

[undone flower]

It’s more 20% chance to 67%

[vapid dagger]

Which changes ?

[blissful delta]

I meant more ST

not with adds

[winter kernel]

It was always 20% in ST

[unreal onyx]

pretty decent vault

[blissful delta]

sure if you always have 10 stacks

[floral belfry]

With the unnanounced change, whats the M+ goto build?

[tender forge]

The damage buff for slayer is insane , nerf incoming surely we aren't allowed to be competitive

[hollow leaf]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

BRO

AHAHA

[rich veldt]

Surely that change is not intended right

[blissful delta]

It's intended we finally have a good dev

big number = good dev right

[frank dawn]

warriors so traumatized from always being nerfed if we have hints of being good, the change is fine

[rich veldt]

It’s unannounced so doubt it’s intended

[dapper zealot]

wait so its not live NA?

[late stratus]

Is it on ptr or actually live now?

[frank dawn]

live

[blissful delta]

you can abuse the raging blow build right now

[late stratus]

essa

[dapper zealot]

gad damn

get me in a key

[blissful delta]

It's actually a dps loss if you use bladestorm kappa

[hollow leaf]

we're still paying for our sins on hc ansurek

how dare we be good on...one very specific part of like 2 fights

[rich veldt]

They making up stuff now so they can nerf us

[vapid dagger]

Interesting, those who tried, did you notice a increase on dps for.slayer ?

[rich veldt]

Don’t trust their lies

[frank dawn]

I mean it's obvoiusly a good dps increase, yes lol

[wicked beacon]

Its pretty damn nice dps increase lol

[rich veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/liar-memento-guy-pearce-leonard-shelby-don't-believe-his-lies-gif-3304893036380644647

[heavy galleon]

We are being trash tier since Legion, let us shine a bit

[blissful delta]

nerf slayer

[hollow leaf]

irrelevant on ST extremely huge on big pulls

[vapid dagger]

Niiice

[hollow leaf]

which pull

I do that on first pull floodgate

[cursive sierra]

someone with new talents to use?

[blissful delta]

how dare we come close to lock on that pull

20% nerf

[hollow leaf]

"close"

xd

[blissful delta]

50% of 100% is close if you don't think about the math

[frank dawn]

xd

[smoky vale]

slurpdat is big

[hollow leaf]

wait let me double check that

my god he's right...

[late stratus]

So the ”slayer m+” talent build is ”buffed”now? with thr unnanounced 4p change?

[fading sky]

ok 100% we gettin nerfed

[astral igloo]

when should i pop cursed stone idol before reckless and ava?

[blissful delta]

yes sir we've gained at least 2 inches

[fading sky]

actually doing dmg is illigal

[hollow leaf]

in charge

[astral igloo]

bet

also slayer change is nutty

[hollow leaf]

indeed

[karmic fiber]

How come a 710 Eradicating Arcanocore sims lower than my 710 Arakara?

[sour frigate]

[blissful delta]

1targ 5 min?

[karmic fiber]

Yeah

[blissful delta]

odd

is it out of durability?

[hollow leaf]

xd

[karmic fiber]

Nahh its in my vault, im either gonna take that or a socketed mythic helm

[blissful delta]

sorry im bad troll

[hollow leaf]

socketed mythic helm is your bis

outside of myth boe helm

[karmic fiber]

Yeah im %99 sure ill take that since it sims 60k higher than mine

[hollow leaf]

...yeah take that

[karmic fiber]

I was just curious why the arcanocore sims lower

[frank dawn]

I mean sac is still a really good trinket

[blissful delta]

sir

[karmic fiber]

Yeah sac is good but I thought it would be worse than arcanocore on the same ilvl

[frank dawn]

just depends on your stats and stuff, fury kind of likes haste at the moment, maybe your vers is also low to keep arcano down a bit

sac/arcano/antenna/screaming all very competitive with each other /shrug

throw idol in there on aoe

[fading sky]

yeah

[karmic fiber]

Yeah I'll be taking the helm either way since its a big upg for me, just thought core was better considering how many log entrys have it lol

[sleek parrot]

guys what would you pick between cursed idol and soleah? idol sims better for me but idk how annoying it is to use

[sour frigate]

[blissful delta]

idol is nice just charge + idol channel

gg ez

[sour frigate]

Oh no 0.8 cast time...

[sleek parrot]

is idol only better in multi target or in single target as well?

[blissful delta]

there are better trinkets for st

[hoary agate]

damn slayer vs thane on my MDT sim route

[frank dawn]

thane could use some love after the slayer buffs, it's kind of a problem I guess, that there's nothing it's good at

[wicked beacon]

Good riddance

[frank dawn]

but lots of specs also in the same boat where one hero spec is best at everything

[wicked beacon]

Last season was thane, this season be slayer and that's good

[blissful delta]

It's good at making me really happy or really sad

[hollow leaf]

that's just how it be

[hoary agate]

kinda perfer slayer seems more fluid to me at least

[frank dawn]

slayer is 100% the more fun spec to me

[south lintel]

i suck no matter the spec fml

[blissful delta]

just press raging blow brother

[hoary agate]

slayer is GIGA ST now and pretty much sidegrade in aoe to thane, deffo the choice for M+

[digital arrow]

should reap be higher than rb ? or does this look fine ?

[hollow leaf]

looks fine

depends on dungeon

[digital arrow]

dawnbreaker 12

[turbid gate]

Soo is the new slayer change buff to st too or just to aoe?

[wicked beacon]

I've been waiting the whole expansion to play Slayer fury in M+ where it's actually great

[hollow leaf]

db doesn't really have huge pulls so reap will get less value

[wicked beacon]

And it finally is

[hollow leaf]

slayer in m+ was already good

[digital arrow]

yeah i figured

[warm crag]

Pure st no

[hoary agate]

probably ok for a dawn, smaller pull dungeon

[hollow leaf]

because prio damage

[wicked beacon]

Yes it was already decent this season

But now its exactly what i want

[digital arrow]

for reference

[blissful delta]

imagine playing col arms when you can spam rb now

[hoary agate]

yea slayer already had giga ST the AOE was just less, but this buffs it significantly it seems

[tepid cedar]

Robot updated yet?

[hoary agate]

looks like it

8t 2 min sim

slayer m+ vs thane m+

ST

deffo slayer keys I think now unless u doing 10 target pulls whole dung maybe lol

[warm crag]

15m as thane vs 4 mil as slayer is crazy i will continue playing thane then

[hoary agate]

6t

10t

[blissful delta]

lmfao

[hoary agate]

maybe u go thane for giga pull dungeons but that aoe isnt enough to beat the ST imo

[hollow leaf]

@restive peak https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/fury/slayer/DAOBUVFUEQhYUIpRUBAOVUUVUBVQRShURQCEUEFVVUBF are you still playing this

seen some people move away from bt now

[wet locust]

[blissful delta]

odyns huh

what a fun button that used to be

[brittle crow]

skill diff perhaps? i was even doing an inoptimal rotation i found out after