fury

[sullen dove]

even with bt

[hollow leaf]

warrior would just be entirely softcapped basically on aoe

[dense elbow]

also, RB for AoE spam now is legit gonna be big dam

[restive peak]

What about me and keys O.o

[hollow leaf]

yep

[dense elbow]

you slacking, I soon caught up

[olive wraith]

Give thane % rest chance per ionizing strike

[junior gale]

yeah im assuming dumping RB charges will take prio over Exe and ramp

in aoe

[dense elbow]

Will be a question for the sims, but I fear as much

[junior gale]

yee

[drifting token]

Think it's best we shut the channel down before blizz notices.

[restive peak]

Oh yeah thane is dead, I was ahead of my time, you're all welcome

[dense elbow]

This was likely done on purpose, to make Slayer feel less shit for the avg player experience

[restive peak]

SLAYER FOR LIFE DAWG

[dense elbow]

as overall AoE was shit

[olive wraith]

Buff thane now

[restive peak]

Fuck that bro they just buffed my already cranking people in 16s spec?

LETS GOOOO

[junior gale]

Time for a slayer 15 Ara Lincc do I go OF

[restive peak]

Bro sadly the OF never actually ended up being worth

[drifting token]

Ww still feels total shit to press this is a fair trade

[dense elbow]

No, a RB does more dam

[restive peak]

But slayer as a whole is goated

[junior gale]

[young swan]

thats the way it would work if it didnt have an ICD

[restive peak]

I tried to force OF so hard lmao

It FEELS good, but man is it dogshit xD

[dense elbow]

Same, bro, same

I might have done keys without it at this point

I wont confirm or deny

[junior gale]

GG

[dense elbow]

Oh well, time for Today was a good day tho, big buffs

[junior gale]

Funky no talent OF

its over

[restive peak]

Bro if Funky dropped it, it's legit dead

[olive wraith]

RA slayer

[pale lava]

real question is

do we run

[olive wraith]

Oh wait

[young swan]

absolutely not

[olive wraith]

Spear stonks?

[pale lava]

in M+ I mean

[young swan]

the answer is the same

[sullen dove]

dont need to anymore dont think

[pale lava]

I see, so cruel strikes better?

[sullen dove]

b4 it was to have an ounce of chance to keep up in uncapped

now just reap

[drifting token]

A gcd spent roaring could be a gcd spent raging

[sullen dove]

true bruther

i bet 1 reap >= 1 roar

maybe not

[turbid bay]

Is slayer going to be better overall on forge weaver now?

Heck even soul hunters

[tender sky]

Always was for ethical damage, no?

[turbid bay]

Ethical sure but adds still need to die

[sullen rune]

we do a reverse pally discord, closed bcoz too good

[drifting token]

Didn't cake get top parse on hunters with thane? Or is that outdated now too lol

[pale lava]

oh the fix is live on EU too

just tested now if it helps anyone

[turbid bay]

Thane was the better spec for soul hunters

[quartz knot]

finally got a 2pc set, ran a 9 gambit. anyone care to give me some feedback on low overall dps

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QYm7fjMCgRxaW8KT?fight=last

[sullen dove]

nah

[young swan]

lmfao

[drifting token]

Jesus

[turbid bay]

Reap just doubling all your other dmg

[willow cradle]

lamo

insane

[olive wraith]

Thane 2p isn’t good by itself

[south kayak]

Yeah this isn’t saying like this

Too goofy

[drifting token]

Yea thane suuuper needs 4p. I mean so does slayer now lol

[sullen dove]

PLEASE just nerf the 150% stronge rreap

and keep it at 67 off rb

like its still op

but we can live with that

[drifting token]

You guys said reap is uncapped right? Chances are they just slap a cap there then

[frank dawn]

I mean every class has silly things that happen on big pulls.

[turbid bay]

Slayer is super legit in all keys now our st dmg is unmatched and consistent aoe

[olive wraith]

Soft cap

[proud vessel]

is this after the new changes?

[quartz knot]

gotcha haha, im stil in last seaons tier pieces/gear but i guess i gotta work on current seasons to really see higher overall? wild

[olive wraith]

Or swap to slayer

Slayer 2p good

[quartz knot]

kk ill give it a go!

[drifting token]

The 4p is so integral to how the spec works it's hard to give a critique without it

[quartz knot]

okay gotcha, i feel a bit better now xD

[mossy pelican]

Normal rotation here?

[sullen dove]

if normal means spamming rb sure

[young swan]

[sullen dove]

new emoet

[coarse nest]

LETS GOOOO

[olive wraith]

Can we just drop the whole left side tree now

[bitter palm]

is in testing rn

[smoky vale]

[young swan]

trying this in priory

[edgy widget]

I ran 3 keys with it, doing pretty well overall

[bitter palm]

losing deft is kinda annoying

[edgy widget]

12 priory

[bitter palm]

u have to reenrage before bladestorm

[edgy widget]

12 dawn

[junior gale]

First pull 15 Ara

[proud vessel]

Is it looking stronger than Thane?

[edgy widget]

14 eco

not the most meta group, but fairly clean runs

I should have logged them

[feral ivy]

mythic neck over cata legs?

[olive wraith]

[junior gale]

Not the reap emoji before Demolish

[drifting token]

So how does it look visually, do you just do a lil pirouette every cast now cuz I love that

[edgy widget]

its the same reap anim as always

its like 1 spin of bladestorm

[sullen dove]

im not sure i even care about hitting execute

like

[proud vessel]

damn, looks good! Does this mean Slayer>Thane or Slayer=Thane?

[sullen dove]

i could just be reaping more

[tepid cedar]

has apl been updated to sim yet?

[junior gale]

before the Ara bricked

DH died like 3 times

[olive wraith]

I think we gotta wait to see if it’s intended

[junior gale]

yeah 8+ targ im ignoring exe unless 3 MFE and sending RBs till I need to rampage for enrage or I run out of RB

[worn rain]

If they nerf it do we close discord?

[olive wraith]

Real talk

[frank dawn]

Yes

[mossy pelican]

That’s a lot of thinking sounds like you just need to hit RB

[coarse nest]

this is the play

was doing the same

[olive wraith]

Is AM even worth it

[coarse nest]

reap cranks!

[restive peak]

Can confirm this is busted

[junior gale]

thing is were not gonna look busted

cuz we dont burst for shit

[oblique thistle]

Welp, I know what I'm doing when I get home

Time for slayer keys

[junior gale]

ppl gonna see 30 mil FDK popping off while we do 15-17 mil

but then next pull happens

and were still doing 15 mil

[young swan]

first pull

[clever belfry]

@gleaming siren schmeowdi

[worn rain]

and then boss

[clever belfry]

why spec OF atp

garbage button gg

[mossy pelican]

Cope

[junior gale]

Slayer very consistent dmg

[oblique thistle]

OF spotted

[tepid cedar]

lol

[junior gale]

OF below WW

[edgy widget]

I'm don't have any hard numbers yet, but it def brings them closer for sure

[turbid bay]

Dam keen try some slayer when i get home

[tepid cedar]

this is 5 dummy. 2 min, doing about as much as damage as thane but we get the ST benefits

[edgy widget]

tbf if you're not pressing BT anymore, there's not much reason not to use OF

[junior gale]

not to mention you arent a slave to rng like thane

[tepid cedar]

time to go run a 16

[coarse nest]

we play OF now

lets gooo!!

[clever belfry]

How much ST does it cost to spec tho

[turbid bay]

Thane feels terrible when no resets

[coarse nest]

we are so up fury gang

fuck yes!

[tepid cedar]

lol huh

[pulsar quest]

nerfed

[tepid cedar]

of?

[pulsar quest]

all of fury

[olive wraith]

Just dripping deft no?

[pulsar quest]

they saw we were good for 45 mins

[coarse nest]

10 streets

[drifting token]

Odin's fart

[coarse nest]

reap cranks

i gotta simmer down going to get nerfed lmao

[tepid cedar]

time to run slayer on araz this week

[edgy widget]

well that's the fun part, the main drops are Bloodcraze and CSHB, and you're hardly pressing BT anymore anyway

[tepid cedar]

lets gooo

[coarse nest]

^^

true apoc

[pulsar quest]

i will say as much as i dont super enjoy slayer fury gameplay, the idea of like a prio target monster isnt bad

for m+ comps

[tepid cedar]

whats ur talent look like then

[edgy widget]

you do lose Deft Experience (unless you don't want Titanic Rage), but you can live without it

#1273899855852339200 the third build

same build Lincc and I were experimenting with at the start of the season, but we shelved it because BT was too important for Reap in higher pulls, but that's not an issue anymore

[hardy shuttle]

would you ever drop unhinged since we drop all the other BT modifiers basically? or its worth it just to extend enrage duriong BS

[sullen dove]

[tepid cedar]

wait

really we use of?

[edgy widget]

na, Unhinged is still a lot of value for 1 point

I mean we might cook a build with it

[restive peak]

We're cookin, don't worry

[edgy widget]

don't jump to conclusions lol, just read the convo

[pulsar quest]

unhinged is the best defensive i have

[sullen dove]

unhinged giga op

with er

insta 200% hp heal

[restive peak]

Ye unhinged ER is goated

[edgy widget]

https://tenor.com/view/muppets-muppet-show-swedish-chef-axe-flour-gif-26641691

warrior cooks

[pulsar quest]

single minded fury is back

[drifting token]

Ha he literally raging blowed the pot

[hardy shuttle]

fresh meat instead of improved BT just to enrage on pull. ezpz

[frank dawn]

Without deft fresh meat kinda feels good lol

[calm mantle]

is 5.97m over all decent for a 12 gambit as slayer?

Trying to figure otu if I'm lacking still on dps or not.

[pulsar quest]

yeah thats not bad

[oblique thistle]

Missing a lot of context

Like gear, buffs present in group, etc

[sullen dove]

idk buffs kinda who cares

[oblique thistle]

I mean

[sullen dove]

maybe 10% from none to all of em

[oblique thistle]

If mystic touch is in the group, I'd argue that matters some

[sullen dove]

but like prolly have at least a couple

[pulsar quest]

without context, assuming -500k for the actual log itself, that puts you top 100 still

for that specific key

[calm mantle]

710 Ilvl Myth + craft weapon, sac brood+ packmaker at hero, Pally druid, evoker for group

[pulsar quest]

for warrior dps

https://i.imgur.com/co1C9Z4.png

Its not bad

[edgy widget]

I'm a big fresh meat fan tbh

[tepid cedar]

wonder if loosing unhinged and taking uf would be better

[edgy widget]

na

[young swan]

okay it turbo bricked cause the tank was a knob

[edgy widget]

Unhinged still adds a lot of value

[tepid cedar]

does unhined proc FM?

[sullen dove]

where were my procs man

[tepid cedar]

unhinged

[young swan]

4.4m crit reap

[sullen dove]

my rb dmg same as reap

maybe eco smaller pull count towards end

[edgy widget]

yes, it does everything bloodthirst does

[earnest shuttle]

wait what

[turbid bay]

I mean reaps value goes up in higher pull counts

[sullen dove]

what is a fm

[earnest shuttle]

are we moving from MT to Slayer now??

[edgy widget]

not necessarily

I mean they were both good already

[shy copper]

im gonna start doing lvl 80 content, MT or Slayer better?

[tepid cedar]

so need to remember if u open with BS. FM wqont work anymore then correct

[edgy widget]

wym

[turbid bay]

Slayer will generally be better

[edgy widget]

It'll work on the first target

[earnest shuttle]

did blizzard finally cooked something good and it was a phantom buff

gawd damn

[edgy widget]

if you wanna proc it again, just change targets

[sudden tusk]

chat say it with me

[junior gale]

[chilly fractal]

[turbid bay]

Reap enjoyers

[worn rain]

noooo my boy thane

[turbid bay]

[junior gale]

its not pipes yet

but its good

[chilly fractal]

If the Ox says pipes

[turbid bay]

Just need theory crafters to cook a good build

[young swan]

i think OF is real

[sullen dove]

i mean it prolly does more than 2% overall bt

just loses 2% mast for 2% crit

which eh

[young swan]

its doing ~3-4%

but its a nice enabler

and BT is just so bad

[sullen dove]

can also just replace a ww in a pack

ramp > rb 3 > of > ramp > rb 3

[edgy widget]

BT+CSHB was ~4% of my overall

almost exclusively from Unhinged, though I had a handful of natty casts here and there

[sullen dove]

i yea cshb

which was only .4 for me lol

[slim coral]

I can remove bloodcraze right?

[sullen dove]

2.4 total

[slim coral]

now that bt is useless

[edgy widget]

BT was ~3% and CSHB was ~0.8%

[edgy widget]

that's what we're discussing

[slim coral]

sorry just got back from dinner

[junior gale]

yeah but is that even really worth

[slim coral]

didn't read everything yet

[edgy widget]

I mean it's not bad, and even though we're pressing RB a lot now, Critical Thinking is not a particularly strong node

[young swan]

idk is it worth investing 2 talent points into bt when u legit never cast it

[bitter palm]

i think its funny to just not take anything left side

[slim coral]

crushing force also can be removed I think

[young swan]

13 gambit

[final eagle]

WTF with slayer??

[edgy widget]

you never cast it, but each BS casts it 4 times

[earnest shuttle]

build? need a recipe for that good amount of cooking

[final eagle]

5mill on bosses and no less than 10mill on pulls

[junior gale]

but like for what else do you need in your class tree you cant get as slayer already

[final eagle]

Mine is bug then

[slim coral]

@young swan

I cooked

[final eagle]

reap its almost top

[edgy widget]

ok across 14 eco-dome, it cast 192 times, mostly from BS

[junior gale]

just use the same ones already posted

[slim coral]

with no bt talents

[olive wraith]

[junior gale]

No deft for BF

[edgy widget]

swap Imp BT for FM, swap Unbridled for Depths, and then you have the build that's been in #1273899855852339200 for the last 4 weeks 🙃

[iron holly]

do I catalyze myth pants (already have hero tier pants), or take hero interloper's (currently have champ boots) ?

[slim coral]

W I'll look

[edgy widget]

how likely are you to get M pants vs a H boot?

[sullen dove]

unbridled over depths is wilin

[edgy widget]

I would think H boot is much more accessible

[sullen dove]

who let baze cook

[iron holly]

almost 0, we only H raid

[quartz knot]

If you myth raid grab whichever items are harder fro you to obtain

[slim coral]

ok so crushing force can be removed

for more qol talnets

[olive wraith]

Question

If RA is active. Would unhinged cast bb

[sullen dove]

prolly

idk if it matters if it did

[slim coral]

love new builds lets go

W change

gonna try these on araz tonight

should fuck ngl

[edgy widget]

yeah not a bad idea, though there's not really much left to take

[slim coral]

honed is pretty nice

also sesimeic while small is nice too

[shy copper]

in pvp we go slayer or mt?

[slim coral]

should ask in the pvp section ngl

I doubt most people in here pvpv

[olive wraith]

I don’t see why’d you’d go thane

[tepid cedar]

brooo 13.6 5t dummy.... we finally have a niche

[edgy widget]

p sure Crushing is still worth more

remember Unhinged still casts BT quite a lot

[slim coral]

yeah that's possible

I could see it being ahead

[edgy widget]

WW was only ~5.3% of my dam last key

while BT was 2.8% and CSHB was ~0.7%

[tepid cedar]

this change anytthing for reckles abandon?

[olive wraith]

That’s what I’m trying to cook lol

[edgy widget]

so yeah, WW did more, but increasing that by 9% is only +0.5%, vs 2-3%+ from BT

[tepid cedar]

lets try 5 min with ra oin

[edgy widget]

remember that Seismic Reverb is cheeks for WW; it doesn't work the same way as it does as for TC/Cleave/Revenge

[slim coral]

either way I'm ready to pipe

this might actually make OF viable finally

[olive wraith]

Qol will be nice

[south kayak]

Why even press BS in aoe when you can just spam RB

[olive wraith]

Quick overwhelmed stacks

[south kayak]

this spec now has the worst priority I’ve ever seen in my life

[frank dawn]

[olive wraith]

Df s1 is kinda the same

[tepid cedar]

this is with RA

little lowler was about 12.9 but the burst is ALOT higher

[olive wraith]

Now compare st

[tepid cedar]

ill do 2 min st

my hands tired lol

[slim coral]

You could take invigorating fury over fresh meat no?

Auto 10% hp from enraged regen is pretty nice

[olive wraith]

Still want focus I think?

[earnest shuttle]

Unbelievable how much dmg this change does... gawd damn

[frank dawn]

Sending BT to the void is gonna be the most cooked talent build of all time

[south kayak]

I’m gonna be disappointed if our priority and rotation isn’t completely revamped in Midnight

[slim coral]

Focus what

Oh I see

[olive wraith]

Melee hits

[slim coral]

You can’t have focus in chaos

He

[south kayak]

Melee hits barely do a thing

[wet locust]

buckle in

[tepid cedar]

2m RA

[sullen dove]

xdd

[olive wraith]

How much rage do we get from auto

[sullen dove]

kinda forgot it only works off overwhelmed tho

so it kind of is required for you to save a bs to use on pull of next pack

[fickle cedar]

crazy that our highest damage source is a proc

[sullen dove]

cuz ngl its still up there but i dont think its so important you use it in the last like 20-30% of a pack

like if u dont have bs ready for new pack ur afk

[earnest shuttle]

just what DKs had last season with the monster proc

[olive wraith]

So as pack dies prio hitting mfe

[south kayak]

Worst priority list ever

[tepid cedar]

2 min st AM

AM is sitll the way

[olive wraith]

Rip

Oh well worth a shot

Might be niche for some amp fights in raid

Doubt it though

[earnest shuttle]

you meant RA (?)

[olive wraith]

No

[tepid cedar]

no AM

am is better

[olive wraith]

He did RA earlier

[tepid cedar]

in ST as well

[earnest shuttle]

oh right, got it

[tepid cedar]

about to try this 15 hoa. on a goooooood pull, id hit 23-24 mil on first pull

with thane

lets see what it does

[restive peak]

15 HOA up to 1st boss

[sullen dove]

not 20mil

hmm

odd

[olive wraith]

Get rekt red boy

[south kayak]

Fury meta?

[restive peak]

If this isn't a bug, we are insanely strong

[dire vigil]

What a vault...

helm is socketed

[sullen dove]

big helm

if no myth helm yet

[restive peak]

Ez socket myth tier bro

[snow edge]

Very sadge, this kind of implies unintended power

[young swan]

even if the burst isnt better its gonna be close and thane gets astrogapped in ST lmfao

[restive peak]

I mean I was doing 20mil on lust pull and sustaining 12-15, yeah this is either they finally decided we deserved some OP-ness or we're about to be very sad

[young swan]

slayer unironically has better sustained aoe than thane by a lot too

[forest owl]

Bro save some dps for the rest of the players in the game geez

[olive wraith]

Big momma gonna be even better

[heavy folio]

you think this is going to be hotfixed? xd

we cant have nice things after all

[young swan]

uh

idk

[olive wraith]

No way to know

[young swan]

theres like 4 possible outcomes i see

[restive peak]

I will be surprised if it stays this way

[snow edge]

An unannounced change leading to this much of a gain seems suspicious

[restive peak]

I could see it being slightly nerfed if it's intentional

Or that it's a bug

[sullen dove]

nerf reap dmg

all that needs to happen

nto 150%

[heavy folio]

lucky those who are raiding right now kek

[chilly fractal]

You’re insanely strong

[bitter palm]

why nerf anything

[coarse nest]

I bet it’s not it ended to do 150%

Probably normal reap

[olive wraith]

Buff tb reset chance

[restive peak]

❤️

[young swan]

1. stays the same
2. Reverted
3. reap effectivess reduced
4. reap softcapped to 5

[chilly fractal]

4. Profit

[olive wraith]

Slayer is spam rb. Thane spam tb

Easy win

[wet locust]

passives so zzz

[ruby osprey]

5. Nerf three weeks in a row

[sullen dove]

i dont even think soft cap 5 matters much no

hell that sounds good

[young swan]

it would be pretty big

its soft capped to 8 rn

[restive peak]

If this sticks, we're going to be very sought after for once

[sullen dove]

yea but in like 20 targets

[chilly fractal]

6. Buff Arms 8% and Ret another 5%

[sullen dove]

what like 5% nerf

[young swan]

nah damage drops off a cliff

the 3 extra is nuts

[sullen dove]

[coarse nest]

I doubt this stays

I’d be shocked

[fallow perch]

My dad works for Blizzard. We’re getting nerfed in 10 minutes. 👍

[young swan]

would be surprised if it leaves

[frank dawn]

8 cap to 5 cap is like a 22% nerf or something at 8+ targets if they did that

[young swan]

this is totally in line with how we thought it shouldve worked the whole time

[coarse nest]

So reap proc stays probably but damage lowered surely

It’s giga strong as is

[young swan]

its prob some beauracracy horseshit that was supposed to get pushed but never did but then got buffed for underperformance

[olive wraith]

I’ll be sad if thane just gets forgotten tbh. I like having 2 diff play styles

[coarse nest]

Goodluck re clear logs tonight before the hammer drops!

[heavy galleon]

You can still play Thane you will be weaker 😂

[olive wraith]

I know. It’s just nice having each spec be good at something

Not just one good spec

[coarse nest]

Thanes also good at living

[plush zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/what-shocked-surprised-why-how-gif-24191425

[turbid bay]

We need a choice node for unhinged to cast rb

[plush zephyr]

Lincc broke fury

convinced it was him

[heavy galleon]

But fury have a very lack of AoE

[winged oracle]

what do I grab, largest upgrade is screams obviously for ST, but idk if thats the smart choice in the long run

[chilly fractal]

Considering your other option is myth shoulders

[restive peak]

Don't tell people bro

[chilly fractal]

Prolly wait for raid reclear?

[turbid bay]

We need to sandbag

[frank dawn]

Is your guild capable of killing mythic Dimensius any time soon? Screams is solid even if it has more options competing with it on aoe

[plush zephyr]

I'd take screams

and also this season is going to be absurdly long, wouldn't stress over one vault idk

[olive wraith]

Tbf. This shouldn’t drastically change raid. And Blizz seems to only care about raid balance

[olive wraith]

? Aren’t people expecting midnight in Feb/march

[plush zephyr]

I'm expecting closer to May

[turbid bay]

Will see our soulbinder damage will go up a decent amount

And forgemaster and nexus king should get a slight bump as well

Unsure on forge tho

[plush zephyr]

We're getting turbo boost too? crazy

[winged oracle]

aight ill hold till after reclear, yeah im looking at the shoulders or screams, I have myth ara sac, and hero idol for M+ alrdy

[junior gale]

was just a shitty 12 so sub had trouble with cds

but ez pz HOA

OF pog

[tepid cedar]

who wouldve tought

we are now a funnel classs

LOLOLOL

[turbid bay]

Its not bad and our single target makes makes this appealing

[tepid cedar]

fucccckkk it bring asll the adds to a boss

[turbid bay]

Yeah we like a mini funnel spec

[junior gale]

its not a lot but its something lol

[tepid cedar]

shit adds up

lol

[pale lava]

what did u drop for OF nodes?

[junior gale]

yeah when ur getting reap almost every RB

[zealous forge]

So is it a slayer angle rn unless they revert?

[junior gale]

it does add up

[tepid cedar]

on first boss of hoa, with only 3 adds iw as at 12 mill they were at 7 lol

finished at 7 m, fdk was at 4 and MM was at 5

lolololol

[dusky wasp]

Raging blow is my top damage instead of rampage. What am I doing wrong lol

[turbid bay]

It looks like a slayer angle the fact this turns us into semi funnel spec as well makes it pretty decent

[junior gale]

we pulled the pack into 3rd boss unfort is was just a 12 so sub blew it up but man on a 16 thats gonna feel juicy

[tepid cedar]

we had the SHITTIEST tank route. and ehalker died 3x on 3rd boss

this 15 hoa is my bane

[junior gale]

just playin around

[turbid bay]

Left side of the tree is baron

[viscid condor]

man slayer is back, i used to pray for days like these

[turbid bay]

Bt has fallen so far

[junior gale]

thats fine

you wanna press BT can play thane

wanna press RB play slayer

[turbid bay]

Might as well unbind it at this point

[earnest shuttle]

seems like I'm not cooking that hard

[junior gale]

wouldnt do that as u will still get times to press BT

[turbid bay]

Its a streets to be fair

Reap wont be on top with low aoe

[pale lava]

I see, ty

[static ore]

Looking around, it looks like SBR and hekili are pretty even, if you cast your CDs correctly, in terms of what to use. I'm not using either, but I have both up to show me what they both suggest to use next. When they disagree, I go with hekili. Is that a good idea? I'm trying to work and improve my DPS. (Currently I'm also in a hotel with shit wifi, 4k ms lag spikes don't help

[olive wraith]

Hekili is better since it’s from the apl

[static ore]

oh, even over SBR? Interesting, thank you!

[tepid cedar]

lol i legit cant wait for apl update to see what robot says

[uneven pilot]

What is SBR?

[sullen dove]

single button rotation i assume

[iron holly]

wait did I miss something about slayer? was there some kind of change?

[uneven pilot]

oh

[sullen dove]

but also sbr should be way worse than hekili

[uneven pilot]

who says SBR instead of OBR

[sullen dove]

with like the whole gcd penalty thing

[uneven pilot]

it is

objectively

[sullen dove]

or idk does the S mean something else maybe

i thought like the ingame hekili is called assist or something

[uneven pilot]

You can run the sim of the blizz version

[olive wraith]

I’ve always said sbr

[uneven pilot]

wild

Probably a regional thing

lol

[opaque cypress]

is it a bug or intended

I mean tier set change

[sullen dove]

i like how this stealth buff was expertly timed to distract us from the fact theyve done like 0 class tuning for the last 3 weeks

[olive wraith]

Never seen it referred to as obr personally

[iron holly]

👀

[earnest shuttle]

so what's the priority while in AOE situations for slayer?

Odyn's fury - RB - RB - Rampage - RB - WW - RB - Rampage... etc etc, keeping WW up for raging blows to proc reap?

[olive wraith]

#updates-midnight

[olive wraith]

Of is there for we stacks and enrage pretty much

[static ore]

Single button/One Button. And having it show up is interesting

[earnest shuttle]

yeah, that's why I'm using it at the beginning, enrage+ww stacks

[olive wraith]

Rb as much as possible. Rampage for enrage and press it out of rb charges

[static ore]

Don't use it except for alts I'm just using as gold farms/achievement pigs

[olive wraith]

Not sure where exe conditionals are gonna fall

[turbid bay]

Yeah execute is weird

[earnest shuttle]

tbh, I tried and most of the time the AJ was lost due to only focusing WW stacks with RB

[bitter palm]

still the highest im pretty sure

[turbid bay]

Interested to see if slayer can beat thane on soul hunters now

[viscid condor]

so for slayer just ignore bt until 100% now?

[olive wraith]

Yup

[sullen dove]

ignore bt until you can literally hit no other button

[viscid condor]

that is fire

[olive wraith]

Completely last resort

[viscid condor]

i used to pray for these days

[turbid bay]

I guess we arent sending roar in aoe now

Cause that isnt rb

[sullen dove]

11 casts of roar 😭

[olive wraith]

You still roar I’m pretty sure

[olive wraith]

Bleeds are uncapped

[turbid bay]

Is it really better then a reap and meat cleaved rb?

[olive wraith]

Probably? Reap is soft capped

There might be a target count threshold

But I cba to actually track that

[turbid bay]

Probs and could use it when mobs are gathering

On pull

Somehow this bug fix made roar worse

[olive wraith]

Be interesting to see if we take the roar capstones though

Cause of looks better

[restive peak]

I'm taking them and OF/TR, so are the others for now

Seems to fuckin absolutely blast

18.7mil 1st pull HOA peak w lust, 12.66mil overall at 1st boss

[tepid cedar]

cruel strikes

sound good though

[restive peak]

It's extremely mid

[sullen dove]

so is roar

[restive peak]

You're gonna press exec even less now

[sullen dove]

but atp i dont think we care about crit as much

if u have antenna ur like 35% crit baseline

[restive peak]

Yeah but at least roar w those hits bigger pulls with SOMETHING

[sullen dove]

another 50 with reck

likely higher than 50 with a couple lucky antennas

dont think another 2% means as much

[restive peak]

Ye it's just very irrelevant, I'd say if you're gonna OF as well the bleed increase has minor value

[olive wraith]

We don’t really have anything else really good to take

May as well roar it up

[junior gale]

ive basically been in 6+ always dump RB charges and only exe at 3 MFE and ramp when needing to re up enrage/no more RB charges

[restive peak]

Ye I've just ignored BT and shit completely this entire time, so I'm just giga cranking now lol

[junior gale]

hard to not press Exe when it Kachings

[olive wraith]

You still hitting bs?

[turbid bay]

You guys reckon exe is that low in aoe now?

[olive wraith]

You’ll run out of rb so I think it’s safe to press exe

[junior gale]

of course thats how your gonna insta apply overwhelmed stacks in aoe

[olive wraith]

On pull sure. But mid pull?

[sullen dove]

mid pull ur never going below 10

[junior gale]

idk im just sending it anyways

[sullen dove]

with infinite reaps

[junior gale]

robot will tell me later

[sullen dove]

i dont think it matters that much but u need to make sure u have a BS going into every pack

or else ur cooked and reap doesnt proc

[tepid cedar]

lol, 4this apl update for the robot cant come soon eought. cant wait to see the actual diff from thane lol

[junior gale]

yeah this feels big

if u dont go into next pack with BS

its kinda cooked

[turbid bay]

Just need to min max stack building

[sullen dove]

so i think like hit it when mobs are about to die and u dont have bs

[olive wraith]

So basically hold bs if you can’t reset it before next pull

[amber notch]

this shit seems allmost 2 good right ? or am i just used to warrior being bad

[sullen dove]

ideally bs is doing all your stack applying on pull

[olive wraith]

That’s kinda cringe

[sullen dove]

probably yea

[junior gale]

yeah cuz u need the overwhelmed stacks for giga reap procs

[turbid bay]

Make sense tbh

[sullen dove]

bout as crazy good as warrior's felt aoe wise since like exploding on adds in s1 raid

[junior gale]

once its applied ur chillin

[sullen dove]

but this is like real damage

feels even better

im sure other classes still mog us tho

surely we're not top m+ spec now

[junior gale]

def worth to BT if u dont have stacks going into a pull btw

[sullen dove]

cluegi

[turbid bay]

Whats the fastest way to build stackes rampage > bt > bs > bt?

[junior gale]

to start building some stacks

[sullen dove]

yea unfort did that a few times

psure a bs gives you like 8 or 9

at least it felt like that to me

maybe a lucky reap proc or 2 added

but 1 bs should be close to plenty

to not warrant hitting bt

and just cap out with rb's

[junior gale]

shouldnt be a big deal as soon as u got enough you will have high enough chance

on RB casts

[turbid bay]

Holding bs for packs gonna feel weird but sounds like the play

[sullen dove]

yea i mean its still like top 4 damage but i dont think 1 bs is "so strong" you "have" to hit it on cd in aoe

ive kinda just not even been caring about mfe stacks aside from when mobs are about to die and i want a bs next pack

[turbid bay]

Bs is reaping as well tho

[sullen dove]

but maybe wrong

yea 4 20% chances of

[junior gale]

high keys ur still gonna BS a lot

[sullen dove]

that is only 100% dmg

[junior gale]

just be warry of BS cd and when the pack is about to die

[earnest shuttle]

and what opener are you doing? buff up, charge and bladestorm? odyn's and then RB until everything is dead?

[signal locust]

Loose lips sink ships.

[junior gale]

if pack is almost dead dont send BS

[plucky wedge]

Is that a buff to fury?

[junior gale]

if Pakc is gonna live another 20 sec send it

really nice if u play with some burst specs

because they want to hold cds for next pull

but u dont care a slayer send send send

and finish shit off

[silver glen]

For Nexus King, do you want to keep the WW buff up even on ST roto?

[olive wraith]

No

[silver glen]

ty I can now advise someone they're wrong 😉

[olive wraith]

2y yes

2t

When it’s him and the dragon

[flat river]

LETS GOOOOO

SLAYER IS ACTUALLY GOATED NOW

IN M+

[silver glen]

Yea just not straight ST

[olive wraith]

Correct

[flat river]

@dense elbow slayer is now goated in mythic+

[olive wraith]

Only time you ww in st is if you run out of buttons

[dense fulcrum]

slayer is doing actually more than thane ? EU reset waiting room

[restive peak]

EU has it too

It was a hotfix

[coarse nest]

oh it was totally intended then knowing that

[lean heart]

just got screams
my other trinks are idol and sac
which one should i use in keys

[tepid cedar]

i jsut tried

the way new slayer tech works

[flat river]

dont use scream in keys

[tepid cedar]

cursed aint sao good

pace was more consistent

[lean heart]

its not good?

[tepid cedar]

actualy about to try screams

[restive peak]

Screams is very mid

[lean heart]

ic

[flat river]

not in keys

it only deal damage to multiple targets if the target dies

spreads the comets

basically

[lean heart]

in ST sims telling me to run sac and screams

[flat river]

do 5T

[dense fulcrum]

was not with the reset?

[junior gale]

its live on EU

[tepid cedar]

about to go to the moon on thjis 16 prio

lol these guys lityerally jsut asked me what im doing in slayer

LOLOLOL

[junior gale]

lmao

[modest condor]

imagine not knowing

[junior gale]

they gonna think u a schizo if u tell em we got stealth buffed

[earnest canyon]

if you dont top the meters they will change it back, dont let us down

[tepid cedar]

i jsut answerd with , " in apoc we trust"

[olive wraith]

Source trust me bro

[frank dawn]

does anyone think OF is actually cooking, I feel like you're still better off with the BT setup

[coarse nest]

did anyone else update kaching WA and now numbers are overlapping on the icon?

[turbid bay]

Isnt that another addon that does that?

Omnicd i think?

[coarse nest]

omnicc doesnt put timer on custom was

[olive wraith]

Of sounds better. There’s no reason to press bt in aoe anymore

So goodbye left side of tree

[frank dawn]

it wasn't so much as not having a reason to hit bt as just sometimes you still have to? honestly it probably doesn't matter either way OF is still smol and bt/cshb are now also very smol

[turbid bay]

Need a choice node on unhinged to cast rb and im happy with taking off bt nodes

[olive wraith]

Maybe in st. But in aoe you should be getting enough sd procs to never need to hit bt

[round girder]

should i just ignore WA and send the 1 mark executes sub 20% hp

[olive wraith]

Very very minor loss to do so

Iirc

[cyan flint]

Are people finding for fury to just not run the algari "meta" gem? And just straight stacking the same gem in every socket. I dont have raidbots premium so i cant sim every combo 💀

[round girder]

oookay ty

[coarse nest]

i make sure i have all 4 colors even if it doesnt techincally sim highest

going to waste a ton of gold running gem sims all the time

[cyan flint]

Yeah fair

[coarse nest]

depends what its worth to you

[signal jolt]

should raging blow be our highest dmg lol

[frank dawn]

typically, yes

[worn rain]

legion fury sends it's regard

[earnest canyon]

gems are way to expensive for me to keep regemming....I can get 2 new items say that push stats high in one direction, then robot tells me to regem everything and move meta gem

no idea why tier 3 gems are like 3k for +150ish stat

[turbid bay]

Not sure about others felt like simming gems hasnt been super consistent

[worn rain]

they are sold at loss currently btw

[coarse nest]

it wont be

gems can float around within sim variance

so itll want a new combo everytime you run it

well

most of the time

[earnest canyon]

why sell them at all then

[worn rain]

mostly sold by people who stashed cheap mats at the end of season 2

no competition - ez money

[earnest canyon]

not sure about this at all, cos the diff between t2 and t3 is massive like all items

[worn rain]

well it's not about powerlevel it's about supply and demand

[earnest canyon]

and what mats does a gem need? I thought you just mined them, but I also ignore professions because they are convoluted and take too much time since dragonflight

yes, supply and demand, so they arent overpriced, because if they were the price would come down

they are overpriced to me I am saying

i know they are people with millions of gold and im like wincing at my repair bill

[worn rain]

you need rank 3 bismuth to craft rank 3 dust consistantly

and it is rare

and also r3 goes into other crafts

[earnest canyon]

just not worth for me if robot wants me to regem say rings and neck for a 0.2% dps increase....thats like 18k to swap some +150 minor stats around in a few sockets

im sure its fine for a lot of people though

[worn rain]

also you can shuffle cape gems around

instead of regular gear gems

[undone flower]

Cape gem or ring enchants

If there is a big shift in those 2, maybe I’m gonna look at the gems

[earnest canyon]

i dont count those as gems, I just bought all 4 stats at epic cos they were cheap

[worn rain]

I dunno how we should call them, point is you can swap them around for free istead of pricy gems

[earnest canyon]

yeah I know lol

hence why I said I bought all 4

[charred flint]

Is WFT still a thing?

[earnest canyon]

what is WFT

[charred flint]

wind fury totem

[earnest canyon]

no they get skyfury group buff now....i think thats the name

[charred flint]

w

[flat river]

WTF but the T and F are swapped

[bitter palm]

ye and it gives mastery

like 3%

different for every spec but ye

gives mastery

[charred flint]

shiet we low priority in it

?

[bitter palm]

its a raid buff

[coarse nest]

cone

[charred flint]

oh not group anymore?

ok

[coarse nest]

wa still procing when you cant cast it

this time i think its the refresh jug condition

its procing randomly and lasting like 5 seconds

[bitter palm]

ye thats intentional

[coarse nest]

ahh, got it

will get used to that then

[bitter palm]

it makes sense to me to notify u the most important condition

exe if aj is dropping is higher than keeping enrage iirc

[tepid cedar]

@modest condor if i wanan run a custom apl.

slayer->add_action( "raging_blow" );

jsut moving this above the executes will semi do it correct?

[coarse nest]

even when you cant cast execute is intended?

just clarifying

[modest condor]

that does not look like an apl condition

[bitter palm]

yeye but now that i think about it

might make it not kaching

or just make it not proc at all idk

[tepid cedar]

i mean for a advanced sim

im trying to jsut do a basic, rb as main prio to see the total RB casts in 5 min

[modest condor]

i have never seen a line that looks like that, i have no idea where you got it or what you can do with it

[tepid cedar]

thats from the profile

from full html report

[modest condor]

i am so confused

this is what a line from the apl would look like actions.thane+=/raging_blow

[coarse nest]

no proc/kaching at all if execute is ever not castable would be goated

[sharp cargo]

you execute on slayer always on 2 stacks of Marked for execution?

even on execute range?

[olive wraith]

Or 2 stacks of sd

Even though execute is buffed by tier it still doesn’t do as much as rb

So we wait for mfe

[sharp cargo]

oh i see

so even during on execute hp

i still wait for mfe

[tepid cedar]

damn

175 rb casts 80 ramp

lol

rb-175-ramp80, exe 41

[thick fossil]

Holy shit, I finally didn't get cucked by the ranged on my side of Dimmy. They actually dropped the pool close enough for me to keep swinging.

[silver glen]

What's that feel like?

[quiet breach]

arcanocore dropped send me energy lads :prayge:

[tepid cedar]

good luck brother

[charred flint]

Jesus

Might miss myth track hands

cause got mail at fucking 00 am

who the fuck delivers mail at midnight

[wintry smelt]

Santa Claus

Duh

[coarse nest]

[maiden radish]

haven't played since SL and just hit 80 Monday. Is the helm the no brainer?

[sullen dove]

uhhh assuming this is the only stuff you have unlocked sure the helm is the highest ilvl

[maiden radish]

yeah didnt have time to do anything else last night

[worn rain]

dunno blizzard delivered nice bug/???

and now we reap

[tepid cedar]

not a bug

working as intended

.<

[worn rain]

[undone flower]

His fate was to be betrayed by his own sword

[sullen dove]

holy flame

[undone flower]

Is it for the greater good ?

[tepid cedar]

lol, we got busy at work. i jsut want updated robot to fkn sim and play with lololz

knowing ym luck, ima play tomorrow and there will be a blue post " fixed a bug where fury..."

[charred flint]

Its so sad to be caped in crests

[mossy pelican]

it was ok

[charred flint]

jee just noticed that

what why

is it doing so much damage

So now that reap is bugged is Slayer better for m+ too?

[tepid cedar]

well we dont kn oiw if its bugged

might hvae been done on purpose

[charred flint]

why would it and they wouldnt announce it

lmao

[tepid cedar]

it dosnt make us op. stillg et beat on big ass pulls. but now can compete adequatly and provide amaziong ST. actually giving us a niche

thats my story and im stickiong to it

[charred flint]

welp cya thane

lost too much time pressing TB

now its time to press some mudafucking rampage

[worn rain]

RB

F thane my boi

[earnest canyon]

lol

[quiet breach]

@tepid cedar I WON BY 1 LFG

[olive wraith]

Rampage<rb

[tepid cedar]

oh shit u got it

[desert zodiac]

is there a new talent build for slayer m+ now

[tepid cedar]

lets goooo

[earnest canyon]

Win what?

[tepid cedar]

CgEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQjBzsYmhZMmZmFmZmZmBDzstNzYmxyghZmxMjlZbwMzMAAAIGbbDsAmgZYCMYDA

[quiet breach]

arcanocore

[queen onyx]

Slayer fury is THE SHIT

[earnest canyon]

oh nice! gz!

[tepid cedar]

slayer fury is the true fury gameplay. fast paced. never stop pressing buttons

[thick fossil]

I love how "the shit" can mean three things.

[queen onyx]

Srsly, had a blast on my last dg as slayer

[worn rain]

never stop pressing some buttons

[tepid cedar]

i mean if u want to min max. ur stil gona have to do some things

spamminb rb wil go a long way

we have to press 2 buttons to min max

[still raft]

what haste/mastery % should I be aiming for before switching to vers?

[tepid cedar]

but jokes aside, new apl will tell. i want to see how it priortises execute range on pulls

[worn rain]

trust the robot

[tepid cedar]

robotman will tell u

[worn rain]

reject clankers embrace robots

[still raft]

robot?

[wintry smelt]

Raidbots isn’t a sim, it’s a cosmic oracle. I ran a Quick Sim once and my PC started vibrating like a titan console, my dog spoke Latin, and a ghostly voice whispered “your trinket is 0.14% better, peasant.” You don’t play WoW — Raidbots plays YOU, and it already knows you’re going to roll on the wrong stat stick anyway.

[still raft]

oh, raidbots

[earnest canyon]

shit can also mean like 10+ things...for some weird reason

[wintry smelt]

There’s even more shits

[earnest canyon]

are you a shit master?

[thick fossil]

[wintry smelt]

I went to the peaks of shit mountain and meditated on shit for 4 years it was incredibly shit but I have mastered the shit

[earnest canyon]

😂

[abstract nacelle]

im stealing this image

[undone flower]

I can’t pronounce rambunctious

[pearl sequoia]

eat shit

[outer umbra]

is there an antenna weak aura

i can hardly see these fucking balls man

[wintry smelt]

Shitstorm shitfaced

Shithole shit show

[undone flower]

Shave them

[outer umbra]

:]

[pearl sequoia]

@outer umbra theres one that announces when an orb spawns but thats about it

[earnest canyon]

french needs more words....
Rambunctious = turbulente
Turbulent = turbulente

[worn rain]

still better than engine from tomb of sargeras

[wintry smelt]

Que ta mère te baise avec une pelle rouillée

[undone flower]

Translation does not fully translate the meaning, rambunctious doesn’t mean turbulente if rambunctious and turbulent are not the same word

[slim coral]

Raidbots is the goat

[coarse nest]

[earnest canyon]

Askmrrobot

[unborn delta]

take tokens of merit

[wintry smelt]

[undone flower]

Sims doesn’t matter, just meow

[slim coral]

Sims matter

They are all we have

[tepid cedar]

but to give u an idea.
full bis items ur lookign at around
35% haste
14%crit
17% vers
58%mast

[coarse nest]

cant perform 5.9m dps but my sim says i can do it!

[pearl sequoia]

your st is ssimming 5.9?

[undone flower]

They are all we will ever have

[coarse nest]

no 5.4 i was meaning highest st sim lol

[wintry smelt]

I’m either simming or stimming

[pearl sequoia]

a ya

stimming while simming we woo we woo

[wintry smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/autism-creature-autism-yippee-yippee-creature-tbh-creature-gif-13973309825992112839

[slim coral]

its ok surely our apex talents will be actually good enough to talent into

[undone flower]

It’s gonna be alright ? You can promise me ?

Meatcleave apex talent will save us or doom us all

[wintry smelt]

36 minutes till EU vault

[viscid condor]

arcanocore doin like 2% in my m+

am i ass

[tepid cedar]

so we basically use BT now when BC is at 4/5 stacks, or whichever one it is that mmakes us have 100% crit on bt huh

[viscid condor]

wowza odyns is back?

[tepid cedar]

yea;

[winter shoal]

Nobody has done any actual APL theorycrafting yet

Because the RB change isnt in simc

[viscid condor]

i feel like im dreaming

fuck thane man

[tepid cedar]

im sure its being worked on

[winter shoal]

Everything up to this point is just vibes based

[tepid cedar]

but im also 99% positive

[winter shoal]

Trust in Arma and he will deliver

[tepid cedar]

theres no need to use BT

however when u get to 100% bt crit chance

[queen onyx]

Even got the full caps right

[tepid cedar]

theres no way thats a dps loss

its a guaranteed crit.

[winter shoal]

I mean we currently don't play around BT crit as slayer

and now there's even less reason to

[tepid cedar]

rb>ramp >bt@100%crit

this for aoe

[winter shoal]

That's effectively identical to rb > ramp > bt

[waxen vale]

yeah I don’t see why that guaranteed crit is ever worth it. too many benefits to pushing rb

[tepid cedar]

bc reap donst hit as hard as a 100% crit bt

[serene socket]

is it just bad luck to lose your AJ stacks on fractillus by getting 0 execute triggers in 15 seconds or am i just that bad at the video game

[undone flower]

But rb can crit too + gives SS stacks

[winter shoal]

Happens sometimes yeah, you can game it a bit by delaying refreshing your AJ as long as possible, but only if it doesn't cost you any casts

[tepid cedar]

ur not losing anything hitting BT at 100%. especially if ur maximizing the dps ouitput

[odd vapor]

anyone have weak aura for 100% BT ?

[winter shoal]

RB reap does 50% more dam than BT reap

RB does more dam than BT

[tepid cedar]

and it should be a small dps gain

i mean, u crit for 3 mill on a bt

ur doing over 1.5mil on cleave

that shit wil add up

as well

it wil be silly not to bt when ur at 100%

i would think ( this is jsut observation)

[rustic cape]

is there a good macro or something to make the most use of so'leahs?

[modest condor]

you sure about that?

[waxen vale]

missing possible rb resets by literally not pushing it, and slaughtering strikes stacks. not to mention it hits nearly as hard anyway. + it can also just crit

[tepid cedar]

interesting

[modest condor]

we'll have to see once the changes are added to simcraft but i wouldnt be surprised if you just dont press bt at all anymore on aoe

[tepid cedar]

sounds good to me if thats the highest result

[quiet breach]

now that i got that myth arcanocore

im gonna use the free runed thingioe

for wrists

[waxen vale]

sounds correct

[quiet breach]

i knew it was a good idea to wait to see if i got loot tonight

[modest condor]

there's also some talk about dropping the bt side of the talent tree altogether and going into OF

[quiet breach]

cuz it was just me and 2 others vying fofr that arcanocore

[tepid cedar]

CgEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQjhZmNzMMjBzswMzMmhZYmttxYmZWwMmZmxMzsMM8AmZAAAQM22GYBMBzwEYwG

archi told me this sil

[eager thorn]

i miss when of gave ava

[undone flower]

The deft points ?

[tepid cedar]

bye bye deft

[modest condor]

deft, bloodcraze, cshb

[tepid cedar]

back on fresh meat baby

[undone flower]

Cshb, I didn’t know what to talent into when I looked at it

[serene socket]

you bt 3 or 4 times during bs tho

[modest condor]

as i said we'll see when things get added to sims

[tepid cedar]

they said tonmight/tom. so im leaning towards tomorrow haha

[modest condor]

on 3 minute dummy test bt did 1.6% and cshb did 0.2% of my damage

bloodcraze and cshb combined were like 0.5% of my dps

[undone flower]

Yes but what do you take with cshb point

Massacre ?

Fresh meat ?

[winter shoal]

Silm you think no bt OF build is some sauce for forge or bait?

[undone flower]

SMF ?

[modest condor]

idk anything about raid you're asking the wrong person

[coarse nest]

LOL

were so against BT were bringing OF to raid now too

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