fury

[smoky vale]

link a log

[brittle crow]

damn fine lemme go dig one up

[eternal sundial]

also you can correct inputs

with longer SQW

its just so much less visual

than on casters

for melee

[smoky vale]

it is unplayable

[eternal sundial]

i tried fire mage with sqw 100 for shits n giggles

i did like 30% of my usual damage and no combos worked

xd

[smoky vale]

its like playing fire with infinite drop drops and lag

you cannot play the game

[brittle crow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rfy269NWC8wHkGcb?fight=21&type=damage-done&source=224 loomithar heroic

proper target dummy fight

[smoky vale]

is fury gcd 0.9 or 0.8

[brittle crow]

0.8 i think?? or is that outlaw

[eternal sundial]

random LFR log i dug up

this is an extreme example of how it looks like for casters

[brittle crow]

our gcd changes w/ haste tho

variable

[eternal sundial]

outlaw is fixed 0.75 no?

[brittle crow]

during adrenaline

[eternal sundial]

half of the max 1.5 gcd or whatever

ig

[smoky vale]

some of them

[eternal sundial]

better example

[smoky vale]

you sre getting 0.8s globals

others you are grtting 0.7

[eternal sundial]

its just MEGA hard to do the same on melee since no castbar

[smoky vale]

it is happening to you

let me get pic

[brittle crow]

yea haste varies

[smoky vale]

on phone

[eternal sundial]

ud have to like

look at casts in time table

and check distance between casts

and see if it remains consistent

in BL

[brittle crow]

thats a solid wall of raging blow

[brittle crow]

ppl be telling me i miss casts when my sqw is set to like 300 like its hard to hit a 1/3 sec window 💔

u dont have to be a mashy monky

[eternal sundial]

ait so

[smoky vale]

philiam had timeout

[eternal sundial]

first of all i was looking at unhinged which is mb

[smoky vale]

i was doingthe math cluegi

[eternal sundial]

i think the spacing here is completely reasonable

300 is fine

[smoky vale]

i just saw it go from

[eternal sundial]

but the weird addon shifting it is still grief

[smoky vale]

800 to 750

on the same frenzy stacks

[eternal sundial]

but i also would never mash an input x4 for 1 spel

thats how ppl get carpal on fury imo

[smoky vale]

[brittle crow]

ya i want an apology

[eternal sundial]

and putting raging blow on like g or 7

[smoky vale]

phil

check the distance between rampage on 7s and the 2 rbs after

[eternal sundial]

can u still for science check do dummy tests without it and manually set SQW - maybe ur gna do even more dam - no harm trying right

[smoky vale]

it changes stg

[eternal sundial]

still ur not in the sqw 100 crowd that logs grey

so ur chilling regardless

[brittle crow]

i think i manually set sqw long after i installed aio

idk tho

maybe im delulu

[eternal sundial]

ngl i used aio for like 1 cvar and then never rlly needed it again

and that was cuz i cbad to input the cvar command for damage numbers from wowhead

(i played all of sl without damage numbers for some reason idk)

[brittle crow]

thats what it been set to for like 6 yrs

[eternal sundial]

oh LMAO

then it dont matter

was assuming urs was like this

for some reason

[brittle crow]

my ass dont have to mash nothin. i have 3 and a half years to press my buttons

[eternal sundial]

the arms way to play fury

[brittle crow]

idk how people be out here mashing as fury

even with only one button press per i still feel like im mashing

[eternal sundial]

i do maybe 2 per

but like whatev

on my warlock i 1 press

[brittle crow]

only time if im doing 2 per is if im trying to be lazy about thane tier set

ill press blast then ill plink blast into bt

but im a FREAK who reacts to the blast procs usually

so not always plinked

especially because my inputs are fucked so pressing bt after blast is pretty annoying if im trying to do it in half a gcd

my blast button is mouse keypad 2, my bt button is shift + mouse keypad 1

[warm crag]

???????????

[eternal sundial]

issue identified

bt 2 tb e

[brittle crow]

raging blow keypad 1
bt is shift + keypad 1

they are the same button.

so they get the same key

[eternal sundial]

that is vile

[brittle crow]

yea ok i bet u have bloodthirst on 7

[hazy oasis]

[eternal sundial]

2

[brittle crow]

yea ok

sybau

[eternal sundial]

idk im like mega boring

bt 2 rb 3 ramp 4

npc keybinds

[brittle crow]

thats terrible. u have no right to talk

how do u wasd while doing ur rotation

u dont

[eternal sundial]

i move with mouse

[brittle crow]

NO RIGHT TO TALK

get away from me

[eternal sundial]

so middle finger does spells and point and ring do ad

[brittle crow]

all my rotational spells r on my right thumb

[eternal sundial]

does that not cause strain? never had a multi keybind mmo mouse

genuinely curious

[brittle crow]

im the worlds healthiest man so i cant get strained

idk abt others

[eternal sundial]

bro i want foot pedals

imagine sperging ur leg and its just doin ur rotation

[brittle crow]

if ur looking at the mouse
1 is rb, shift+1 is bloodthirst, ctrl+1 is storm bolt
2 is whirlwind, shift + 2 is odyns 💔, ctrl + 2 is shockwave
3 is heroic throw. thats it
4 is rampage, shift + 4 is execute
5 is roar/spear, shift + 5 is bladestorm
6 is charge, shift+6 is leap, ctrl + 6 is victory rush
7/8 are trinkets
9 is fishing
10/11/12 usually unused

judge me in full now that you know my secrets

[sullen rune]

No more leg day at gym, just 3 dungeons and you are done

[spice haven]

Reading through this, i'm urged to look to see what mine are like

[hollow leaf]

14 flood

[stark nymph]

How much rage do you launch your rampage with? 80 or more?

[brittle crow]

115 or more

[eternal sundial]

115 iirc

[brittle crow]

or if u need it, or over bt? i think

[stark nymph]

even under the avatars?

[brittle crow]

im PRETTY sure u press ramp instead of bt as slayer

unsure on that 1

[hollow leaf]

think bt is higher prio at 6+ targets

[stark nymph]

bt = ?

[hollow leaf]

bloodthirst

[stark nymph]

its a very low priority in slayer

on raid

[brittle crow]

judge my SHIT i worked hard on that for u @eternal sundial

[hollow leaf]

on st yes

on aoe it's higher prio than rb on 6+ targets

[eternal sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/jose-mourinho-sweet-trouble-gif-26762341

[hollow leaf]

just because fishing for reap the storm

[stark nymph]

oh ok

so with slayer spec i rampage with 115 rage

[hollow leaf]

y

I mean the prio is on wowhead

can just look at it there

to get answers

[stark nymph]

So

Execution proc > RB > Rampage > BT

oh ok

ty

[eternal sundial]

im grabbing mine brb

not on pc atm just on laptop watching lck

[hollow leaf]

I stepped away from mmo mice because every single one ended up just breaking after not a lot of use

side buttons randomly not pressing, scroll wheel starts jumping or skipping particularly early

think I've tried every one under the sun

[eternal sundial]

r u having identity crisis or why rename

again

[hollow leaf]

went with a g502 hero and not going back ever

[brittle crow]

my scimitar still inputs fine after lots of use, only thing is the scroll wheel has a swell in it for sum reason

g502 is goated if u dont care abt the keypad tho

i just cant live without the keypad

[eternal sundial]

evil to make me log into wow for this

btw

[plush zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-please-gif-12278138443232068455

[brittle crow]

u made me log into wow for sqw

sybau

[eternal sundial]

ok true

i apologize

both screenshots cuz cursed

i think the spell keybind layout is fairly freaky so i show it

[plush zephyr]

My bars are always hidden lol

[eternal sundial]

no tc ww macro

[eternal sundial]

same thats why ion care about where the keys are

[spice haven]

i assume looking at logs, you just calculate the time inbetween each ability / spell. to see how many gaps therer are after each GCD?

[hollow leaf]

because tc and ww are on different binds

[eternal sundial]

can put em on the same bind no problemo

[hollow leaf]

that's nerd shit

[eternal sundial]

lazy stay winning

[hollow leaf]

you comment on that but not alt f interrupt

[plush zephyr]

I have mine super neat and almost look like a WA in case I want to switch to an alt that doesn’t use a WA

Bartender good

[eternal sundial]

idk i just have was for the shit i play

and if i dont play it I suffer for 3hrs till i have was

least generic elvui user

[plush zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/season6-episode3-fresh-andy-samberg-brooklyn-nine-nine-gif-23653994

[eternal sundial]

atm i like my warlock ui a bit more than warrior

wait no i exposed myself as a clicker

[dense elbow]

When you gonna gamba, why not go for the real highroll?

Go for RB over BT, get the real AoE DPS wheel of fortune experience!

[stark nymph]

I just have a few questions about the avatar and the temerity. Do they have to be synchronized or not?

[dense elbow]

I actually dont know what Temerity is

[dense elbow]

Oh, recklessness, guess you are spanish or similar?

[stark nymph]

french xD

mb

[dense elbow]

Nah, you dont have to sync them up, but you can cast them at the time

Reck gives ava and ava grants reck, from the class talent tree, bottom middle line

[eternal sundial]

frape mortelle

[stark nymph]

ok so all this skill are use on CD all the time

[stark nymph]

🤣

[eternal sundial]

cooldowns being used on cooldown is good

[undone flower]

Témérité et Tempête de lames

[dense elbow]

More or less, but feel free to hold avatar for 5-10sec for BS or reck for 5 sec

It is situational, but if you for example are going into a new pack in M+ soon and current pack is soon dead, feel free to hold

Happy calling bladestorm lame

I am offended

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-kitten-annoyed-irritated-tantrum-gif-13045775

[stark nymph]

Yes of course I understand

[hollow leaf]

cooldowns used at non-optimal times > cooldowns not used at all

[stark nymph]

Thank you all for your help

[hollow leaf]

send cds on cd

[stark nymph]

yes now i think i understand all

[dense elbow]

Ye, I believe in that ya did get the point out of it

If ya dont, we will sike Lincc on ya

[eternal sundial]

more use > good use

[dense elbow]

optimised use > good use

[stark nymph]

I have one last simple question left: you said rampage with 115 rage plus, so if I have 110, I continue to generate even if I risk exceeding the limit of 130?

[undone flower]

SD to have bs during reck > holding reck for bs

[dense elbow]

yeye, dont worry too much about rage

Exe with prio enchancers go over rampage even at above 115 rage

All it cares about is enrage

[stark nymph]

Oh with proc and 115 rage you use execution ?

not rampage before ?

[dense elbow]

Ramp only goes infront if ya need to enrage

[stark nymph]

ok understand

same if i have 130 rage and proc exec ?

[dense elbow]

Then you already have pressed both execute and rampage into spell que and it will be cast from that before you get to react, but in theory ya would overcap the rage

[stark nymph]

Ok so when i have exec proc i use on CD all the time if i m enrage

[dense elbow]

If ya at marks of execution, or if ya got 2x SD, yepsies yep yep

[cobalt relic]

can I bind

avatar

to BS?

as macro

[dense elbow]

I guess - but I wouldnt

[cobalt relic]

thing is

im running idol first time as slayer

and idk what the rotation looks like

reck charge idol avatar bs?

[dense elbow]

Idol, that is the channel on us, ye?

[cobalt relic]

the opener*

yes

[dense elbow]

Charge+Idol (or idol when tank has rooted), then pop as normal

[cobalt relic]

avatar with BS then

no?

[warm crag]

why would you delay the avatar if you're reck charging anyways

[dense elbow]

The ava from the reck will in theory cower it either way, giving you an oppertunity to react to something weird happening between the Rampage/OF and BS cast. Still sounds clunky to have as an macro as the fight progresses

[warm crag]

you're not slick throwing of in there

[dense elbow]

OF is best opener, fight me

[cobalt relic]

so

funky

hows the opener then

reck charge idol rampage avatar+bs?

[cobalt relic]

cuz of trinket

apparently thats the best way

of utilizing it

[warm crag]

yeah but can you explain why

[cobalt relic]

i cant

but @edgy widget might

[dense elbow]

imagine pinging someone who is sleeping in hopes of waking em up

rude

I give it 99% chance that Archi does not have notifications on, other than when awake, for this server

[cobalt relic]

is there anyway

of castsequencing

avatar with roar

so it casts avatar on first click

and not roar

[warm crag]

you said roar twice but why would you want that anywayys

[cobalt relic]

cuz

of that idol opener

[brittle crow]

elvui user that means ur over the age of 30

unfortunate

[cobalt relic]

• im lazy and dont have avatar binded

[eternal sundial]

correct

[brittle crow]

💔

[eternal sundial]

i might try unhalted unit frames for remix

icl

[brittle crow]

all u need is plater and stock ui is fine for everything else

zzz

[eternal sundial]

idk i like elvui for dynamic was

[earnest canyon]

I use wa for dynamic was

[cobalt relic]

@warm crag so is there a way

[eternal sundial]

like if im colo i have more space in my unit frames

[cobalt relic]

for cast sequence

[eternal sundial]

but i have 0 spells its closer

[earnest canyon]

With blizzard ui

[eternal sundial]

i like that

[cobalt relic]

first click avatar second click roar

[clever belfry]

@warm crag noob

[warm crag]

wtf

[clever belfry]

xaxaxa

[eternal sundial]

need df classic for more macros

[gleaming siren]

Macro them together and press the macro at the start of a GCD

[light tapir]

To assert dominance

[undone flower]

It wouldn’t replace a bind, it would add another one

[gleaming siren]

Abomination

[eternal sundial]

wdym

that was peak

(awful)

[undone flower]

i hate that blizzard stole my macro

[clever belfry]

this may be top10 worst macros ive seen 👍

[cobalt relic]

wdym

[karmic crow]

You don’t need Elvui to have dynamic WA’s

[dawn gulch]

why is crit worse than vers? according to wowhead atleast

[eternal sundial]

i phrased it badly

i use was to make elvui more dynamic

[undone flower]

your macro would be a castsequence avatar reck, meaning it is only "useful" (no) if you do it in that order AND for that reason, it wouldn't be your avatar bind

[eternal sundial]

and i cba set it up for another addon

[karmic crow]

Dynamic meaning you have a WA move your unitframes to match a bars width?

[eternal sundial]

ye

ik uuf has anchors for it

but again, cba

[karmic crow]

Ya you just change the frame names in the custom options for the WA that controls the positioning

[undone flower]

want my random kick macro ?

[eternal sundial]

better macro

[undone flower]

boss1 is a casting enemy ?

[eternal sundial]

peak dragonflight i fear

[clever belfry]

that one isnt random

[eternal sundial]

razageth spark macro

goal is to never kick boss 1

[undone flower]

oh mine kick a casting enemy

which one ? no one knows

[eternal sundial]

idk mine is for the boss only

and i kep it cuz i enjoyed progging the boss

[undone flower]

yes if there is only 1 cast, it isn't random

[rustic mist]

Does anyone have the weekaura spell reflect up?

[undone flower]

it is a macro /say Spell reflect up /cast Spell reflect

the black boxes like that you see are just modified chat bubbles

[rustic mist]

Ahhh, I see, so it's a macro and not an aura.

Thank you so much

[polar narwhal]

[hybrid bone]

Other then a 2 hander weapon what should be the 2nd crafted piece for fury this season?

[undone flower]

you could make a weakaura for this tho, but you get the same results

[fickle cedar]

what people usually do is wrist with banding, preferably 704 with the free craft you get from killing dimensius, or 720 if you have a lot of unused gilded

[undone flower]

usually i craft belts or boots as second but this season.... i'll do what daurek says

[hybrid bone]

yeah it will be mythic for my 2nd crafter so wrists with banding

and weapon is accendance

[eternal sundial]

dont macro it

if u press macro twice or when on cd

itll still say

use wa with buff trigger and action tab

[undone flower]

and if you want something that tells you reflected spell, you need a weakaura

[bitter palm]

keep in mind these weakauras arent perfect cause u cant actually know if u reflected something

@eternal sundial remember

in blackrook

[stark nymph]

on the other hand I watch a lot of critcakte videos and I don't understand why he uses rampage at 80 rage?

[bitter palm]

i thought u could reflect the charge

[eternal sundial]

brh?

[bitter palm]

cause u would parry it

and it would say reflected cause u took 0 damage

[bitter palm]

y

[smoky vale]

csgo die aldor

[bitter palm]

the charge boss idk which one that is in order

patchwerk looking

[eternal sundial]

yuh

[stark nymph]

Is there a Fury Warrior you recommend I watch on YouTube?

[eternal sundial]

critcake is good

biz is good

@sullen dove streams

[stark nymph]

who is the best pls ?

i just want watch the best

[undone flower]

The best at explaining what he does ? Or just the best warrior in m+ ?

[stark nymph]

Best in raid mb

[bitter palm]

if raid watch revvez but tbh this tier not a single warrior played a lot

[stark nymph]

best damage dealer

[eternal sundial]

well that guy was benched

perma

[bitter palm]

even revvez disnt play much

and he is the goat

[eternal sundial]

he did nto kill1 boss

i think

[undone flower]

Loomithar

[eternal sundial]

ph fr

1 relevant boss (unfortunately)

[stark nymph]

so you don't know who is the best streamer in raid?

[undone flower]

I don’t rank people I watch sorry

[eternal sundial]

u didnt understand the convo

the arguably best warrior in raid

didnt get to play during prog

and since he only streams prog

is not streaming till next expansion

[stark nymph]

ok

[eternal sundial]

tmy is quite alright to watch

most of the ppl in the skhyold stream list are good

dan is WR 3 i think thats ok

[fickle cedar]

i only watch top 2 sry

[undone flower]

Loboz was rank 1 on soulbinder where does he stream ?

[eternal sundial]

he doesnt i think

[undone flower]

Unfortunately

The world suffers from his humility

[eternal sundial]

ye

[hollow leaf]

would be if he streamed

[undone flower]

Should I stream ?

[hollow leaf]

💯

[slim coral]

[hollow leaf]

they really need to buff the melee range on dimensius

[iron portal]

Fractillus

[eternal sundial]

pls see correction

[bitter palm]

the best warriors didnt get to play cause there were better classes than warrior

idk if dan streams reclears

idk if tmy streams anymore

[stark nymph]

oh i understand

but the actually top 10 warrior its fine

[hollow leaf]

tmy streams sometimes, dan streams reclears sometimes

[stark nymph]

if they stream i woulk watch gameplay

[undone flower]

And plexus sentinel

[stark nymph]

because for the moment I haven't seen any streamer following the wowhead gameplay

[eternal sundial]

xd

[stark nymph]

at least not 100%

[eternal sundial]

man do u think ppl like critcake would have every single m+ 0.1% title on dps warrior

if they didnt know how to play

[eternal sundial]

no one is a robot

[stark nymph]

I never said that

I'm trying to understand why they don't follow wow head and what they do best

[eternal sundial]

cuz rotation looks different in aoe / st and sometimes u have to prio other shit for CDR reasons

[stark nymph]

I am convinced that he is among the best in the world, that is not the question

[bitter palm]

what do they not follow

[undone flower]

Btw, I helped a casual player friend in his 15, he tagged by curiosity his 16 to see who tags, Critcake tagged, he got scared

[stark nymph]

I'm only talking about single raids for now

[bitter palm]

what do they not follow exactly i dont understand

[stark nymph]

They usually use rampage at 80 rage.

and he never uses execute if it wastes rage

[undone flower]

Rampage is = to BT, so I don’t see an issue

Oh yes you mean in raid

[stark nymph]

yes raid only

[eternal sundial]

specs not dead

[bitter palm]

bro the gameplay required

is this dimensius

if it is

the gameplay required to do that as arms

is mind blowing

jugg optimizations

[eternal sundial]

or just highroll tf out of it

[bitter palm]

who are we talking about

[eternal sundial]

[undone flower]

You lose nothing if you wait to execute unless you are at 3 mfe stacks

[eternal sundial]

@bitter palmyalah

[hollow leaf]

I was actually curious to if it would be an increase to just send ramp on cd and sd on cd instead of following the conditionals (at least inside of lust) and it wasn't a huge difference

[undone flower]

#fury message

[stark nymph]

Here is my problem, just before I was told to run on CD even if you lose rage and now I am told that it is useless

[hollow leaf]

whether you send ramp on cd or at 115, or sd on cd or with conditionals, it's not super detrimental

they're just optimizations that aren't really at all difficult to follow, so might as well have them be in the rotation guide

[undone flower]

And you should read rampage at 115 as the rampage to not overcap rage

[hollow leaf]

Rampage only got used 5 more times, and that makes sense because you don't really delay Rampage very much outside of the RB spam after Bladestorm, which is only a couple GCDs. While you do delay Rampage until a higher rage threshold, that doesn't actually result in using Rampage less - it still costs 80 rage, whether you use it at 80 or at 110, the benefit of delay is ensuring that you can still use it even if you (for some reason) aren't able to work back up to 80 fast enough

ye

[undone flower]

Yes like seen says, waiting later to rampage is just a security for the next one

[stark nymph]

the delay also allows to put more RB I believe?

[undone flower]

To not get gcd lock and having to whirlwind the boss

[hollow leaf]

which I still end up having to do sometimes (I love rng)

[undone flower]

You can rb the next one too

[fading sky]

Eroka must be a big brainer😅, gettin stacks is so hard

[eternal sundial]

eroka screenshot 1 of the tier (famed) comes in 3 days

[hollow leaf]

all of honestly are just fucking blasters

[eternal sundial]

then 3 weeks later the fullbis screenshot

[stark nymph]

So 80 or 115 is the same except that 115 is more easily guaranteed not to lose rage which makes it more optimized?

[hollow leaf]

they play whatever they want, raid a few days a week, and just fucking blast through the raid

[fading sky]

I mean he could prob do same dmg as fury

[eternal sundial]

a few days is one way to put it

[fading sky]

Half effort

[hollow leaf]

yeah I mean you're still casting rampage for 80 rage, casting at a higher rage number is just a safety net to reach your next one

[fading sky]

Y nn to send early ramp if u have rbs and enrsged

[fickle cedar]

yeah it reduces the chances you use filler abilities

[undone flower]

It’s like on ret, you like to use spenders at 5 holy charges even tho it cost 3

[stark nymph]

Okay, that's good, thanks, but now I want to talk again about the management of execution processes. Do I put rampage before the process or after?

if i have 80 rage or more

[undone flower]

How many mfe stacks are on the targets ?

[stark nymph]

2

[undone flower]

Rampage then execute

[fickle cedar]

Overcapping on mfe stacks or sudden deaths is worse than overcapping rage

[stark nymph]

if 3 execute then Rampage so?

[undone flower]

Yes

[stark nymph]

and if 2 SD ?

[hollow leaf]

any and all rotation questions can be answered with reading the APL

[hollow leaf]

then exe > ramp

[eternal sundial]

enrage > 2SD > ramp for dam

[undone flower]

Im saying the opposite

[hollow leaf]

y

[stark nymph]

oh so if have max stack proc exec rampage if can stack more rampage > exec

[hollow leaf]

I'm sure the difference is marginal

just regurgitating what the apl says

[proper onyx]

The only time you have 2+ MFE stacks and aren't executing the next global is enrage is not already active or bladestorm is available

[undone flower]

Yes it’s just he was wondering why people don’t press SD at 2

[hollow leaf]

because people aren't robots who press every single global correctly 100% of the time

[undone flower]

His initial question was why some ppl rampage > SD conditions

[hollow leaf]

lots of people just press buttons and vibe

[stark nymph]

not everyone seems to agree

[proper onyx]

you can get 99s in mythic without knowing the apl apparently

[undone flower]

I think it is better to rampage then SD at 2

If risk of rage overcap

[smoky vale]

you can

[proper onyx]

oh yeah i've done it and am learning I don't know much about the apl lol

[undone flower]

Pretty much how things should be

[eternal sundial]

I got a rank 2 log with a dogshit trinket to confirm the trinket is dogshit to someone

[undone flower]

To find the best choice for a very specific context, people need to argue

[eternal sundial]

(73% mortal strike crit rate)

[proper onyx]

there it is xd

[eternal sundial]

And thats why u dont need to follow APL

U can out pad APL

U can out crit APL

[proper onyx]

like when I was raging back in legion about my sin rogue parses when my rk1 would get beat by someone with twice the poison bomb procs

[eternal sundial]

(to 100% anyways..)

[stark nymph]

SO resume

SD 1 = Rampage > Exec

SD 2 = Exec > Rampage

MFE 2 = Rampage > Exec

MFE 3 = Exec > Rampage

[eternal sundial]

Bro the legendary Asmongold r1 with 10 ppl dead in execute Phase

So he actually hit 99 jug

[proper onyx]

lmao I should go find a vid of that, sounds great

[eternal sundial]

The goku Video ruined our class

Evil trait

[undone flower]

But what a good vid

[eternal sundial]

No

[proper onyx]

I do enjoy telling people that damage is based around execute but we don't do any execute (meaning extra execute phase dps)

[undone flower]

My RL sometime says to Rez me because execute but have to explain after the pull

[upper trellis]

lolol

there were so many pulls where my old guild was going "wtf why is rampage like 3x higher than execute this execute phase is long af"

"im not playing arms"

[hollow leaf]

"Yeah about that..."

[undone flower]

I remember clearly one time on Gallywix where it happened and I refused the Rez and said to rez the arcane mage

• im not good at accepting brez

[hybrid bone]

Has anyone here replaced the delve belt yet i got a belt same ilvl that sims 40k higher no gem just mastery haste on it

[undone flower]

I haven’t sim a belt yet, I tell you in 5 min

But none appeared in my droptimzers

[thorn venture]

You know me so well

[undone flower]

nop even the mastery heavy/haste belt is a loss

[hybrid bone]

Could it be because I'm lacking in mastery or something?

[undone flower]

it wouldn't explain a 65k diff

[eternal sundial]

Did yall get the P3 entry? I couldnt watch zorthas' stream since i had to cook food

[hybrid bone]

What enchant you running on the belt

[thorn venture]

Nah we're at the end of the last add atm

[hybrid bone]

Disc whatever u wanna call it

[thorn venture]

Should see P3 soon or early tomorrow

[eternal sundial]

🙏

[undone flower]

on the screenshot, current is haste one, and the top one is crit

[eternal sundial]

Arms p1 dam looked pretty decent

[thorn venture]

It's pretty insane if I play right, I'm usually top on boss by a good chunk

[eternal sundial]

P3 last part and pretend the spec is the goat

[thorn venture]

It should slam P3 dam

see how we go

[stark nymph]

i have a big issues with skill damage first screen my log and second top 1 logs

and this is my gear

[eternal sundial]

Should be a 100 log regardless cuz first arms kill xd

Tmog gives dps increase so ye

Big ol #1347646810457636974 topic

[runic violet]

Is Thunder Blast always top priority?

[thorn venture]

Actually that ends up as a 0 lmao

[eternal sundial]

Right i remember tmy 0 on fyrakk

[thorn venture]

If there's no public log

[eternal sundial]

And it still didnt lock in

[thorn venture]

I think it's when you private log and there's no public

but if you public it's 100

[eternal sundial]

Dont you guys usually public log or am i confusing with dratnos guild

[stark nymph]

Do you understand the RB dps diffrence ?

[undone flower]

and what is his gear ?

[undone flower]

• do you have all raid buffs ?

[eternal sundial]

Also what boss

Damage amps exist

[stark nymph]

yes

[thorn venture]

We always private during prog then everything goes public the second last boss dies

[stark nymph]

plexus

[undone flower]

and just from him having 623 wep, i expect him to do more than you

[eternal sundial]

Hm i see - gl with the rest of prog

[stark nymph]

623 wep?

[thorn venture]

tyty

[gray void]

jastor still bugged 4 raid or?

[undone flower]

he has a 723 ilvl weapon

[gray void]

can i finally delete it

[stark nymph]

723 yes

me 720

its a little difference i think

[eternal sundial]

u have 10 ilvl offhand 3 mainhand diff

[undone flower]

the difference being your off hand

[eternal sundial]

that does matter that is a lot of stats

[stark nymph]

Is that enough to explain 400k less dps for me on RB?

[undone flower]

• 3 ilvl diff, i expect him to do more, i don't see which slots are upgrading from your screen of him

[eternal sundial]

considering theres like 10k factors for it in wow

yea

like there is general spell variance

crits

aug and weird attribution

pi in damage amp

etc etc etc

[undone flower]

400k wep diff + ilvl + better big stats ilvl (chest,leg or helmet), yes

[stark nymph]

oh ok i understand

[undone flower]

and variance

[stark nymph]

Basically I can't parse with my current equipment

[eternal sundial]

it is hard to get a rank 1 log without full gear and good rng

[eternal sundial]

psure u can 99 quite fine in heroic but r1 has to be ultra highroll

[undone flower]

and doing 95-99s are still good parses

[stark nymph]

actually i dont have damage

[undone flower]

10 kills of the first boss is cursed

[eternal sundial]

kazzak behaviour

[stark nymph]

I use the boss to do tests

but thanks to you I should have all the information I need

Another problem is that the vast majority of groups in PU do not do damage and the fights are very long.

[eternal sundial]

id use loomithar to test icl

actually nah

fractillus has to be better

[undone flower]

i'd use kyvesa delve

[stark nymph]

for train ?

test*

[undone flower]

to test what, if you can do stuff while doing mechs or dodging ?

[stark nymph]

no i mean before i got your help i had to scramble to try and figure out what works best for my dps

[undone flower]

it is better than hitting the dummies tbf

raid bosses > training dummies

[eternal sundial]

well frac doesnt have damage amps so its less likely to distort

[bitter palm]

justlovers smolderon 75% or sum

ms crit

[eternal sundial]

that guy

enrages me

log thief

[bitter palm]

ive NEVER seen someone high roll crit so fucking much

i had a very powerful high roll on volc

it was like r10 or something

no wf

r1 no wf

tmyws on enha incident

bro was legit like s1 ilvl

[eternal sundial]

i think my volc peak was like 271k

which was like barely top 10

[bitter palm]

mine was like 278 i think

but no 496 augury gg

[eternal sundial]

i rlly liked the 535 augury

ended up having 2 idk

[bitter palm]

i didnt play s4

axaxaxax

[eternal sundial]

i remember

[bitter palm]

ursoc proc on pull

[bitter palm]

6 billion vers on leggo use

[eternal sundial]

pip lowk goat

[bitter palm]

bro my gear was cracked but trinkets were ahh

[bitter palm]

i want it back

goat trinket

hmm today i will have 9000000% crit

on proc

[eternal sundial]

😔

10k ahead of next no p1

and nuke 400 hours p3

[bitter palm]

bro had a 10 hour p3

how oce

ohh

s4

[eternal sundial]

only boss i ended up beating justluv

i think

wait no I also won on razageth

[bitter palm]

tc...

[eternal sundial]

tc...

[bitter palm]

bro if sd worked with tom and am

[eternal sundial]

grrrr

[bitter palm]

arms wouldve been insane

[eternal sundial]

swordfish won 😔

[smoky vale]

what happened to lil bro

[bitter palm]

pi in exe gg

[eternal sundial]

idk longlongago was also the chinese guy

[bitter palm]

noober

[smoky vale]

tmy washed

sadge

[bitter palm]

idk s3 df was the last time i found this game fun

gg

[smoky vale]

last time fury was fun

gg

[eternal sundial]

arms also randomly goat p1 spec

[bitter palm]

last time arms was fun too kinda

[smoky vale]

europeans ruined s4

i said it

even critcake put out s2 propoganda

[eternal sundial]

wdymmmm

[smoky vale]

we had to play 2p 2p

[eternal sundial]

it was alwass s1 set

[bitter palm]

s1 was the goat

gameplay wise

[smoky vale]

for fury?

or arms

[bitter palm]

fury

[smoky vale]

i didnt play s1

[bitter palm]

unlucky

[eternal sundial]

slayer but good

[elfin tulip]

I finally got cursed stone idol but it sims 7k lower.. i have to passive trinkets right now. Should I use it anyways?

[eternal sundial]

basically

[smoky vale]

what was it

[bitter palm]

it was slayer basically

exe 99.99% crit chance

infinite sd

like slayer but no slayer shit

but exe was weak as fuck so the set was weak

gg

[bitter palm]

idol isnt the best st trinket

[eternal sundial]

id use onuse on any boss u damage amp / pad

but its in variance

so xd

[bitter palm]

its bis in m+ and idol will win if there are amps

[smoky vale]

https://youtu.be/oo2eBYNS-W4?si=UXloHvK27JcXskNs

[bitter palm]

goat

[smoky vale]

he legit said he was voting for s2...

[bitter palm]

ye cause s2 fury was cracked in m+

until aug

ans mage rework

and warrior getting 0 tuning

while everyone else got buffed

[eternal sundial]

aug was al'quaeda or however u spell em

assassination of all fun things

[bitter palm]

they were prepping fury for mdi

[smoky vale]

al qaeda

[bitter palm]

that season

[eternal sundial]

thanks terrorist gio57

[smoky vale]

i remember the botters too

europeans ruined it for me

[bitter palm]

high damage survivability aoe st

it had everything

cds perma

[smoky vale]

i spent s4 playing arms and arcane

🥀

only time fury was fun then was prepatch

[bitter palm]

arms s1 was bait as well we thought it would enable cleave

and i mean

it did but only as a 4p proccer

dreadnaught was just busted

[smoky vale]

ah

despair

df s3

🥀

you dont know they are the good times until they are gone

[bitter palm]

df s3 was so ass in m+

i hated it

in raid it was cool

[smoky vale]

still felt cool to of every pack

[bitter palm]

ye and then do nothing

[smoky vale]

🥀

[bitter palm]

cause u got nothing

[eternal sundial]

it was only way to be tuned high

and then get 30% ms nerf

[bitter palm]

xddd

[eternal sundial]

to be crippled all of df

wawi

i mean

[bitter palm]

colossus was better on st btw

before the ms nerf

[frosty scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/sybau-ts-pmo-gif-2102579015947246168

[bitter palm]

in prepatch

[eternal sundial]

cant have that shit playable

rank ass hero

[bitter palm]

i remember we were simming stuff when it got added to simc

slayer was pure despair

like 40% behind slayer fury

and colo was close

i think those sims are still in the spreadsheet

top gear didn't even have talent combination simming iirc

[dense elbow]

Arms pro team in chat I see

Go on

[hazy storm]

if only a 0.1% difference in raidbots... what would u guys go with? eradicating aracanocore, cursed idol, seaforium and screams of forgotten sky... what woul u guys pick for consistency? the other slot is for myth track sacbrood

[dense elbow]

seaforium I guess

[hazy storm]

sorry i meant for the omega raid in general

not for m+

[dense elbow]

Then I dunno

roll a dice

[hazy storm]

liek in terms of consistency i guess

[sullen tendon]

Time to gamble. Will I get into keys today or will I que 400 times for 6 hours because of warrior stigmas

[dense elbow]

you dont get into keys, bobby?

[fading sky]

Screams prob for raid

[sullen tendon]

I spent 6-7 hours queuing yesterday in the 15-16 bracket. Got invited to one, tank pulled 3 caster packs and wiped the group. Got invited to a second and got insta removed.

[dense elbow]

If I had to presume, you just aint the best pick of the bunch

[fading sky]

Prob bobby stigma

[sullen tendon]

Lmao

They aren’t inviting warriors

[fading sky]

🤣

[dense elbow]

Also, 15-16, is currently more a premade area, or at best, word of mouth, no?

pugs usually be around 14-15

[sullen tendon]

The groups that fill take casters or dks and dh

[dense elbow]

not 15-16

[fading sky]

2.3% i think

[sullen tendon]

It’s pure class bias

[fading sky]

Its not bias mab

[dense elbow]

Well, I wont be angry at the 1% for picking DH over Fury warrior, as they got THE M+ dam profile

[sullen tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/sopranos-italiano-gif-25255220

[fading sky]

Dk is bettrt

And dh buffs dk

[spare steppe]

Ok but here me out, zug zug

[fading sky]

Warrior u get to tank

[dense elbow]

hm, fair point, zug zug

[sullen tendon]

Unfortunately if prot war is doing good during a season fury loses any chance it had of getting invited

[dense elbow]

If I was at the 15-16 range, and wanted to push 17-18, I would 100% aim for premade at that point

[hazy storm]

why are mythiuc raiders using arcanocore for raids. in archon.gg it's what 69% use

[sullen tendon]

It’s the blood dk syndrome

[dense elbow]

Not everyone got everything

[fading sky]

Because most have myth track

[hazy storm]

what u mean

[sullen tendon]

Why would I take a dps dk in raid for grips if they aren’t #1 dps

[fading sky]

And screams is rare

[sullen tendon]

I can take a blood dk

[fading sky]

Because 2 x grips is n8ce

[hazy storm]

so screams si good even in ST?

[fading sky]

• amz

[dense elbow]

AMS too

[fading sky]

Its only good in st?

[sullen tendon]

Ok well i will replace the dps dk with another mage or warlock because they do more damage

[dense elbow]

(also, DK does reduce white swing dam taken by the tank by wooping 20%)

(ppl always forget that)

(it is really strong)

Bobby, if you want to talk about what you would do tho

we can do one better

Do your own key

and do exactly that

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[sullen tendon]

I do

[dense elbow]

Hey, then why complain, happy pushing

[sullen tendon]

I have yet to see others do it

[dense elbow]

glad we sorted it out

and you dont sit in 7 hours que anymore

that is impossible to do, if you do your own key

[sullen tendon]

I do my own key and get it to 15 and then pugs wipe it from some stupid shit

Then I spend 2 hours getting it back to 15 for it to happen again

[dense elbow]

If next problem in line is that they are PuGs

...

you know where I am going?

[narrow narwhal]

premade

You will have to make friends

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/coach-josh-wood-coach-josh-gold-star-gold-star-gif-593378152944786379

[sullen tendon]

Making friends in this level of key is like trying to talk to the warrior discord

[dense elbow]

Nah, if you had a different attitude and outlook

we wouldnt bash heads each time

We might even have become friends

[sullen tendon]

You are telling me every time that nothing I do will be good enough so why would I bother trying to relate

[dense elbow]

That isnt what I said

[sullen tendon]

It is implied

[dense elbow]

but I see you on your rant / on the offensive mode again

So I will leave ya to it

Hf screaming and letting your tears fall into the void

[sullen tendon]

Why are you always around

[pulsar quest]

sometimes bobby be cooking

[smoky vale]

just get free inv

[pulsar quest]

u just gotta let him do his thing for a bit

[smoky vale]

dont you get free invites from kisington

[pulsar quest]

i earned those free invites buddy

[smoky vale]

hey

[pulsar quest]

by rank 1 parsing keys last season

[smoky vale]

so did i bro

i did my time in the slumps of lfg

[pulsar quest]

i dont miss those days

at all

[hazy storm]

is heroic anacore wiorthit?

[smoky vale]

me either

[hazy storm]

or na

[restive fiber]

more forst pls

[pulsar quest]

its a good trinket

[smoky vale]

more forst mpleas

[pulsar quest]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/fury/trinkets/castingpatchwerk

[smoky vale]

i think i hate idol on warrior

[pulsar quest]

ill be honest im not a fan of it

[smoky vale]

i keep trying to minmax it by pressing it during charge

and im getting aids

[pulsar quest]

i dont do that crap

[smoky vale]

its pretty chill on dk

[pulsar quest]

i wait until adds are grouped

[smoky vale]

since your first global is setup

before cds

where do you even press it as arms

is it before roar

[pulsar quest]

right as your SS ends after stacking collat

[smoky vale]

in st i mean

but i can see how it makes sense for that

[pulsar quest]

oh u sent it right before avatar ig

[smoky vale]

man i have no pash pugging keys

after being able to get free invites for the past 2 weeks

at least like 16

s

feels like a waste of time

[pulsar quest]

im gonna finish out my 16 resil today

works been crazy last week so i didnt get to do much

[smoky vale]

i have a priory at 12 man

[pulsar quest]

xd

[smoky vale]

im not going in there without friends

actual hell

actually almost timed a 15 with tank dc for 3m

[pulsar quest]

timed a 16 db with some actual cooked route with a prot pal last night

route was so bad we had to block him

[fading sky]

Sim it?

[smoky vale]

classic blacklist

[fading sky]

I use core + sac atm coz thats what i got

[pulsar quest]

gonna try my hardest to get put on the buyer list this season

just for the laughs

[smoky vale]

just go from

16s to 20s

why doesnt colo crank

i was doing 5m on dummy

what happened

all ms but 1 crit and all demolish crit

[restive peak]

Colo ST is so meh, it does feel good on the big pulls though lol

[tepid cedar]

Yeah I did a 16 hoa, failed going into first boss. I was at 15 mil over all

Arms aoe is funny lol

[plush zephyr]

feels good if you save everything for boss tbh

Outside of CDs is like a wet noodle sometimes tho

[restive peak]

That’s a lot of specs though

[willow cradle]

Coward

[smoky vale]

yeah bro

its so fun bashing my head doing keys with people that i do not know when i could play with my friends

[covert blaze]

gio carried my alt

very cool guy

Thank you Gio57, very cool!

[smoky vale]

https://open.spotify.com/track/7c7iiyRHZQB2VUxyUQA8ZI?si=b45ce5f4303747a2

[sudden tusk]

Shmio

[bitter palm]

giofiveseven

[fluid agate]

I should always prioritise BT over rampage even at 130 rage right? Unless I have 2 stacks of thunderblast. Asking because the sim doesnt use BT as often as I do

wondering if I am doing something wrong

[karmic fiber]

You guys swapping off Mythic Jastor even though it sims higher than every ring? Some people have been saying it's bugged

[warm crag]

It sims 10k more than a hc ring at 704 for me but it means i dont have to swap ring slots before every pull to avoid the bug that makes it not proc

Whether ~10k dps is worth the hassle is up to you

[sullen dove]

is that the bug I don’t swap and it’s like 50/50 of it either doesn’t proc or I have 100% uptime

[warm crag]

Ye

100% is variance its supposed to be around 90

[quiet breach]

https://www.twitch.tv/atrocity/clip/IncredulousTriumphantRuffSuperVinlin-sQd9WkyxWGPdxlyj

[pale lava]

is anyone else experiencing invisible puddles on the 2nd boss in HOA?

[quiet breach]

is there any dungeons this season where going 3 melee would be a really bad idea?

[chilly fractal]

It’s a little annoying 1st boss Dawnbreaker to not have 2 ranged but not the end of the world

[quiet breach]

is there any ranged DPS specs besides hunter that benefit heavily from battle shout?

if not what about moderately benefit?

[chilly fractal]

I’ve run full melee comps in every dungeon except healer this season I’m pretty sure and nothing other than that stands out to me

[chilly fractal]

Hunter

[quiet breach]

I wrote besides hunter lol, so I guess none then?

[chilly fractal]

Just Hunter bro

[trim hound]

Ret pala

[warm crag]

im p sure the apl does vaguely different things from the wowhead rotation

ye the sim will rampage if it has more than 100 rage and enemy is >35%

[fluid agate]

Should I do that as well or nah

[slim coral]

I think in a big pull you wanna just spam bt

farm for the TB procs

[warm crag]

idk i think theres value in generating more reck ravs

[bitter palm]

ye but tb

[smoky vale]

@slim coral @crisp hawk ty for help :3

[crisp hawk]

ofc :3c

[slim coral]

np

[serene socket]

these are my current secondaries. Raidbots is simming that dropping 6200 mastery for some haste and 4800 verse is somehow a damage increase? But looking at the math, if I drop the mastery I go from a total of 67.5% dmg increase from mastery+verse combined to a 61.5% total dmg increase from mastery/verse. I dont understand where raidbots see's that 6% being made up for

[eternal sundial]

dont look at math

just trust the bot

[hollow glen]

There is an addon called true stat values that shows the diminishing returns when you have giga stats

I’m not sure if that is what your asking

[warm crag]

tldr

(vers affects trinkets and procs aswell ye)

no point in trying to run the maths yourself if smarter ppl already wrote entire programs to simulate combat in wow

[serene socket]

i guess that effects the reshii wraps too?

[warm crag]

yeah, but you could also be seeing dr points being reached

dont bother with downloading the dr visualizer addon its completely useless

[quiet breach]

have u guys used any of the "persists through death" augment runes yet? when do we get those?

[warm crag]

dont think persist thru death augment runes exist

[quiet breach]

apparently they are supposed to exist this tier but idk when

[warm crag]

there is a permanently reusable augment rune from renown 18 or so from karesh

will cost you 100k gold tho

[quiet breach]

not that one tho

there's other ones that aren't endless

but still persist thru death

[smoky vale]

its from reaching rank 9 with the raid renown

[warm crag]

ah ye funny

[vagrant tendon]

u think mountain thane would work on raid ?

[smoky vale]

sure

will it perfom the best on every fight

no

[vagrant tendon]

idk

if u look slayer vs mountain thane on single target doesnt slayer does better dmg ?

[smoky vale]

significantly more

are you raiding at a level where it matters which spec you play

[vagrant tendon]

idk i did seen on u.gg mountain tane its top dps on raid i was like wtf that works ?

[smoky vale]

on some fights eyah

but even then

its less boss damage

[vagrant tendon]

yeah and he using champion spear 😮

[patent tundra]

so do we use TB on 1 charge or 2 charge?

im a prot war player

to min max dam i always used it at 2 charge

is it the same with fury?

[olive wraith]

Send it asap

If enraged

[patent tundra]

do u know the reason why we shoud send it asap?

should*

[olive wraith]

It’s our best damage ability

[patent tundra]

but if we hold BT cd