fury

[sullen dove]

so there’s just no way imnotanorc doing 900k more dps than 2nd place overall on plexus is a valid log right

[charred flint]

is halls 14 rough?

[fickle cedar]

hey chat can you jump over the black hole on araz

[sullen dove]

is this guy getting 15 augs funneling him

[charred flint]

i just found out you cant jump over blackhole in worm boss in Eco xd

[young swan]

yeah hes a freak

[quiet breach]

lmao

[young swan]

he just suckles the PI's and plays a spec that can omega highroll

[quiet breach]

does wcl not invalidate overly auged logs?

[sullen dove]

Idk if it cares about that but in game u can’t get more than 2 Aug buffs now I think

regardless no augs in the raid

[charred flint]

whats the puggable key ilvl right now lmao

14?

[coarse nest]

My noober ass did all 14s last week so yeah I’d imagine 14/15 this week all day

Hell people were pugging 16s even at the high end

[olive wraith]

I’m awful at the game and I’ve been doing 12-13

[warm crag]

noob*r

[coarse nest]

Neebor

Nubeor

Hmmm

[iron portal]

Nooberer

[coarse nest]

[proud vessel]

dumb question, since when do both rings need to be above the ilvl of the dropped ring to be able to trade?

[velvet flower]

If you think you’re a noober doing all 14s, what am I with doing 7s at most

[iron portal]

Since tww

[coarse nest]

Based king

[iron portal]

Or since even DF idk , but def not new thing

[proud vessel]

rip i thought it was just 1 ring and some guy was scamming me for his friends xD

[warm crag]

i dont remember when this wasnt the case

[iron portal]

Well you thought wrong

[iron portal]

^

[proud vessel]

luckily i didnt get mad

[coarse nest]

I think before the upgrade system existed it wasn’t the case but I’m not 100% sure

[velvet flower]

🙌

[proud vessel]

I thought 1 ring in slot 1

ohh well

[iron portal]

Be glad you dont need both weapons to upgrade

[proud vessel]

true

[charred flint]

that would be so stupid lol

[iron portal]

It would

But... there are many stupid things

[modest condor]

like EP

EPOUT

[iron portal]

Cant get that now

....

[olive wraith]

Like onslaught existing without getting touched

For the last year ish

[iron portal]

In a train

[remote bobcat]

loboz is playing RA + odyns to get the highest soulbinder parse

?XD

i love this guy

[iron portal]

I will tell you what is stupid

Daze still exists in the game

[modest condor]

parry still existing

bring back spell resistance

[iron portal]

Daze is higher on my list

[modest condor]

that's wild

[remote bobcat]

are u a parse andy?

daze is a non issue

[velvet flower]

Bring back armor pen

[iron portal]

Ofc it is

[fading sky]

Still dno how a boss who is not focusing u can parry

[iron portal]

It is annoying

[fading sky]

Like parry tank yes

But like melee nr 8 infront of him

[remote bobcat]

something being annoying is higher on ur list than something disastrous like parry ?

[iron portal]

Yes

[fading sky]

Parry is the worst

[iron portal]

Fight me

[remote bobcat]

yea ur delusional

[velvet flower]

I think thematically it’s cool af they can parry someone they’re not focused on. Bit annoying gameplay wise though

[remote bobcat]

its ok to be wrong sometimes

[iron portal]

I dont know the feeling

Tell me about it

[fading sky]

Parry isnt bad exept modern bosses u are forced to be in front

Parry when we realisticly should ve behind is fine

But a rando melee only tax i fin weord

[remote bobcat]

parry is a gimmick, a dragon focused on a tank shouldnt be able to parry sword hits

[frank dawn]

DELETE PARRY

[iron portal]

Now I agree with that

[olive wraith]

We shouldn’t even be able to hit dimensius with swords

Isn’t he just a void thing

[remote bobcat]

no

[warm crag]

dimensius skillfully deflects your swings with his massive oversized fists

[remote bobcat]

dimensius' body that we fight is not just void shit, its a physical entity

spawned from the dark heart

[bitter palm]

why cant they resist spells then

how can fire mage hurt a fire elemental

[coarse nest]

The fact that the planet sized raid boss can PARRY

wtf!?

[fading sky]

It should be a deflect and a resist!

[coarse nest]

[keen dove]

casters should get randomly interrupted

[fading sky]

As in we didnt hit correctly

Just resisy

[olive wraith]

How hilarious would this be

My gosh I can almost taste the salt

[keen dove]

I want it

[fading sky]

Not healers though

😅

[charred flint]

damn its actually impossible to gain io besides pugging your own keys as warrior lmao

[iron portal]

Casters used to suffer from resists, mana issues and low mobility (some of them)

[charred flint]

we're not even bad anymore

[fading sky]

Fury is big

[iron portal]

Now they zoom, no mana (except arcane but it is their resource) and their spells never miss

[charred flint]

almost 2800 io and wont get accepted into 10s

[fading sky]

I get in ok

At 2750

[iron portal]

Maybe Mega is flagged as leaver

[charred flint]

the abanadon mechanic is just so stupid now people wipe once and just give up waiting to abandon

[coarse nest]

People won’t take me to 15s with all 14s timed

Just how it be man

[iron portal]

Yea why dont you have all 15s timed

[coarse nest]

Can’t sweat it

[iron portal]

[charred flint]

I have a 13, most 12s and 11s and cant finish the last 3 10s im missing

like what the fuck

[olive wraith]

2900 and I can’t join a 12 hoa to save my life

It’s my last resi key and I have a 14 times as a couple 13s

[storm birch]

14 streets

was a close one

[elfin harbor]

hey i looked at the BiS Gear list. So the BoE Helmet doesnt have any upgrade tracks on the Auction house. So max ilvl is 701??

[olive wraith]

Mythic isn’t available yet

[elfin harbor]

okay

when will it?

[olive wraith]

Dunno. I wouldn’t worry about bis gear just yet though

[warm crag]

around hof close i think it was in lou

[chilly fractal]

I remember it being sooner

[fickle cedar]

those helms do have upgrade tracks they just dont appear on the ah i think

[chilly fractal]

701 helms are hero track on the AH

[digital mauve]

how many crest do I need to upgrade my weapon from 700 to 720?

[velvet flower]

It’s a good point.

[warm crag]

have you not crafted a weapon?

[calm zinc]

what is causin TB to insta reset its CD? there is no tooltip saying the condition

[warm crag]

your 4p

[calm zinc]

it doesnt say it on tooltip im confused

[digital mauve]

I did

[warm crag]

did you craft it at gilded or

[coarse nest]

Read your tier set effect on your character panel

[calm zinc]

i have it doesnt say reset. it says gain a charge.

[quiet breach]

what ilvl bracers will I get if I use the free runed enchanted crest on it?

[velvet flower]

704

[coarse nest]

Yes gain a charge which is spendable

[warm crag]

i suppose the wording doesnt imply the charge reset

[calm zinc]

fair enough, it just doesnt state it so i wasnt sure of the condition

[velvet flower]

What ilvl is hero 6/6?

[spare steppe]

710

[velvet flower]

Are arms or fury players more dead inside?

[olive wraith]

No

We are full of life

And love for this class

Why else would we play it

[digital mauve]

I crafted at 700 ivl

[olive wraith]

Did you use runed crests?

Shouldn’t it be 707

[digital mauve]

yup

[spare steppe]

Fury, arms is driven by anger and despair

[warm crag]

then its 60 gilded to get that weapon to 720 and then your offhand is free up to 720

[digital mauve]

I sued ruend crest last week

[warm crag]

hope you won the trial

[olive wraith]

That sounds like you didn’t get max rank either

[velvet flower]

Yeah max rank is 704 for runed

[digital mauve]

ok so now I just need 60 gilded and boom I get it to the max 720 ?

[olive wraith]

Yes

[warm crag]

assuming your crafter is skilled ye

[olive wraith]

Please make sure your crafter can do it

Set minimum rank to 5*

[digital mauve]

Oh

[quiet breach]

maybe he used shit quality materials

[digital mauve]

Ididn't know it mattered

[velvet flower]

As long as everything is 3 star, should be fine

[quiet breach]

it doesn't matter that much cuz u can recraft to fix it

[digital mauve]

So ever resources at 3 stars?

[quiet breach]

it only matters if u accidently crafted the agility 2 hander

[olive wraith]

Kinda hurts you used runed last week

[quiet breach]

instead of the strength one

[olive wraith]

Ideally. Makes it easier

[quiet breach]

then ur character is bricked

which btw blizzard should make that fixable too

[velvet flower]

The crafting materials rank does. The higher resources the easier it is to craft higher star pieces.

[quiet breach]

unaware players shouldn't be punished that hard for accidently crafting the wrong 2 hander lol

[bitter palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1372158613312897036/1376317636249518170/speechmeme.com_25_05_2025_23_54_45.gif

int 1h writing to blizz every day incident

[weary ice]

reck or avatar first in macro?

[bitter palm]

reck

[velvet flower]

Reck

[weary ice]

kk

[clever belfry]

is that him?

[weary ice]

whys that matter?

[quiet breach]

yes

[weary ice]

btw

[flat river]

is dimensius trinket any good in mythic+

[velvet flower]

There are better ones but it’s not bad. There’s a convo about it a couple hours ago I think

[coarse nest]

Anybody know the quick fix for cones SD wa activating sometimes when execute isn’t castable?

[flat river]

nvm i simmed it

[coarse nest]

Think that was shared here once I just missed it

[flat river]

pacemaker is 600k more damage

xd

[ember ridge]

Hello, quick question for you guys, what do you do when you're out of RB charges but don't have enough rage to do rampage ? Or if rampage doesn't proc RB back ? I have this situation quite often and beside using BT or some other spell I'm not sure what to do or if it happens to others

[coarse nest]

Bloodthirst

If you still can’t ramp or raging blow or sudden death/execute

Whirlwind

[brittle crow]

roar takes prio over whirlwind in st

[coarse nest]

Ahh true

[ember ridge]

Does that happens to you lots ? in some logs i watch people manage to almost never use BT (or it's like BT procs from bladestorm)

[brittle crow]

not really lots, no

[velvet flower]

Very rarely. Maybe once a fight.

[coarse nest]

It’s fairly rare to bloodthirst when playing correctly

[brittle crow]

especially with roar

id see if you're pressing rampage too much

you only wanna press it if you HAVE to or if you're at >115 rage

if you're pressing it as soon as you can every time ur gonna starve

[ember ridge]

I use too spam rampage too much but when I try to do less and spamm RB trying to max out enrage buff even if I'm full rage sometimes when I rampage i don't get any RB back and I feel powerless

[brittle crow]

only press rb at full rage after bladestorm

the only thing u prio over ramp when >115 is SD when the weakaura dings at you to press it

or rb spam after bladestorm

or whirlwind if no charges

[hollow quiver]

how should you use fractillus trinket?

[ember ridge]

Okay I'll try this way a bit more thanks

[brittle crow]

when in doubt consult wowhead guide

the rotation page won't steer u wrong

[hollow quiver]

I use the active on every reck but i don't know if it's worth

[velvet flower]

Idk why not. Just a decent increase and doesn’t lose you a gcd. Not an amazing trinket but you work with what you got

[hollow quiver]

yeah but i don't know how to deal with the passive

[storm birch]

14 dawn. Man i need a pocket monk

[charred flint]

Is halls the hardest dungeon rn?

damn this feels like hell

[naive latch]

all of them because i haven't had a single one today not get bricked by either the tank or healer

[chilly fractal]

Timer is tight for sure with how much trash you gotta do then basically a boss gauntlet

[charred flint]

Resil keys is all 13s done?

[wispy thistle]

The increased the amount of trash needed in the courtyard its kind of insane, the last time it was ran there were also affixes that counted towards the percentage

[chilly fractal]

All 12s for resil 12

[wispy thistle]

should be starting at 12s

[chilly fractal]

Then all 13 for resil 13 and so on

[fickle cedar]

are you running roar/roar boosted or spear ? was gonna try some 14s tonight

[storm birch]

running spear here

here's the main breakdown

[fickle cedar]

i see, ive only been running roar currently, might try it too ty

[storm birch]

both are plenty competitive

[quiet breach]

do you personally execute with 2x mfe even if you are rage capped? @edgy widget

[quiet breach]

have you extensively tested both and which do you prefer?

[storm birch]

i have tested both in a higher level setting.l Strongly prefer spear. Something in my brain feels good when i get resets during the spear crit buff window and see big numbers.

plus technically by sims spear is technically a gain so it was a no brainer for me

roar just more convenient and easier to execute

[quiet breach]

do you feel like spear wouldn't outperform roar in a pug setting at a lower level than apex keys?

[olive wraith]

I’ve had bad luck with streets

[digital mauve]

With slayer fury, on MT, f rampage is available and I'm already enrage, should I prio going for another Rampage or go use my 2x RB?

[olive wraith]

Rb is generally higher prio

[digital mauve]

Okok

[warm crag]

you should check the rotation section of the wowhead guide it should answer all of these questions and provide extra context

[digital mauve]

Cuz i often wanna press Ramape just in case I got an exec proc so I got a better chance to be enrage once that happen

[storm birch]

so the main concern i hear about spear is "oh but what if the adds don't come together" and tbh in all my dungeons i've run i hardly ever see instances where adds just never come together. Both low and high keys. Maybe eco dome has that from time to time but the adds will pretty much always converge on the tank. So I still think even on lower key levels it can still outperform pretty consistentyl

[quiet breach]

so you should ALWAYS wait until the adds are tightly packed B4 sending spear right?

[olive wraith]

Enrage last a decent amount of time. And you can always ramp before pressing you’re exe conditions

[storm birch]

Except in very one-off scenarios like if one add is wandering and won't make it in don't hold type deal. But the crit buff from spear applies only to those tethered so yea you need to make sure you're hitting things

and the second you lay your spear down your job is to get as many thunder blasts off as you can in the 6 second window. (prioritizing staying enraged of course)

@quiet breach

[storm birch]

oh i meant to add. They don't need to be pixel stacked. Just within the indicator of your spear

[slim coral]

Delete spear

[storm birch]

D:

[coarse nest]

Yes

[storm birch]

Year of the Spear 🥲

i used to hate spear so much but when i started using a cast at my feet macro it just became another roar with better dmg outcomes

[undone flower]

Noooooo, for once I use it for the root in raid

[chilly fractal]

Replace with Ancient Aftershock

Or replace roar with it

[inland flame]

Turn Spear into an AoE grip+slow that still gives us the crit buff and also files my taxes and works my job for me

[undone flower]

Remove damage component of spear

If you don’t like it, I’m fine with both utility and damage, I can hold a CD for shit

[coarse nest]

To many words

“Remove spear” that’s better

[slim coral]

It’s useless tho

One fight out of the past 3 years yippie

[inland flame]

Patch notes: Champion's Spear has been redesigned. Now throws another Warrior player at the target to drop a Chamption's Spear for you. You gain all damage and benefits from their Champion's Spear.

[slim coral]

Let’s go ahead and close this channel until OF and Ons get buffed

[smoky vale]

true

[chilly fractal]

10% we reopen

[slim coral]

Hell no

[chilly fractal]

To everything

[smoky vale]

bring back old torments and of cdr

[slim coral]

100% only

[storm birch]

I'm not a fan of onslaught but OF needa come back 🙁

[chilly fractal]

OF 100% plus Aura buff 10%

[slim coral]

Kill him!

[undone flower]

like wreck throw, i'm fan even if it is every planet alignement

[warm crag]

its

[clever belfry]

him

[coarse nest]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-aggressive-boop-gif-13396989158108371383

[smoky vale]

the apocalpyse is mentally attakcing me

[warm crag]

what sin do you relish the most

[slim coral]

Kill both fuck it

[chilly fractal]

Let us wreck throw during Bladestorm

[coarse nest]

I already don’t storm bolt

Please don’t make me do that

[chilly fractal]

Please don’t make you not do that

[velvet flower]

Let us tb during blade storm

[coarse nest]

Let us Bladestorm while bladestorming

[velvet flower]

Let ravager look like bladestorm

[fickle cedar]

bladestorm should do some storm shit

[velvet flower]

I’m more in favor of deleting ravager over spear

[inland flame]

ayo pause

[cobalt relic]

chill

[velvet flower]

Ravager boring ability. Looks like shit

[olive wraith]

Merge ravager and Of

[warm crag]

ravager is boring when it does zero damage

and ravager doing damage sucks cause your damage is being driven by a weird mechanic that moves

[fickle cedar]

when are we getting a 4th spec

[olive wraith]

Give passive ravager to dps specs

[chilly fractal]

How about this guys… a talent where Bladestorm or Ravager gets a 2nd charge… but isn’t shit

[inland flame]

Passive Rav does feel really good as Prot tbh

[velvet flower]

Imagine having a capstone of a second bs charge

[olive wraith]

Maybe every time you avatar you also bs

[steel shard]

what if meatcleaver was not hardcapped

would not that be crazy

[chilly fractal]

Apex talent

[inland flame]

I kinda vibe w it ig but the more uses we get the less powerful they'll make it.

[charred flint]

wohoo

[quiet breach]

warrior healing spec, call it drill instructor. scream at your allies to motivate them to continue

[charred flint]

done with HoA 12

fuck that place

its not hard but it just feels tight

[olive wraith]

Funnel>uncapped

[velvet flower]

If they made a capstone where it was 2 bladestorm charges with no damage reduction that would be amazing

[steel shard]

we already do good ST damage

we dont neeed funnel

[olive wraith]

It matches out “profile”

[undone flower]

funnel>prio in m+, but i'm fine if we are not a funnel spec

[steel shard]

we cant all be arcane mages

[undone flower]

exactly

[fickle cedar]

im sick of taking pictures of animals wtf is this

[steel shard]

fury niche is uhhh

nothing

[candid falcon]

can we at least be something

is sniping damage on raid adds a niche

[olive wraith]

Hot take. Classes having weaknesses=good

[undone flower]

still need to find it, but if it's ST, i'm completely fine

[inland flame]

We have respectable overall rn and retain almost all of our ST in a cleave spec, there are worse things

[dense elbow]

If you include AP shout, we usually top DPS

[velvet flower]

I would rather be good at everything than be bad at something and better than most at some

[steel shard]

prot warr

[undone flower]

ofc average players want to crush everyone else and win the meta lottery

[charred flint]

i dont see many people complaining about the state fury is in now

[edgy widget]

Idk I just kinda push buttons

[sand crest]

wtf is wrong with prot warr

xd

[charred flint]

Its actually the only patch i play where fury is actually not total trash

[olive wraith]

Ah yes if we are OP at everything then I’ll be happy

[inland flame]

Not part of Exodia, shut the Discord down

[dense elbow]

He stole all the pad dam from the dam you DPS didn't do

[chilly fractal]

[sand crest]

he pulled entier room after first boss in priory without lust

xd

we were not ready

[edgy widget]

Arms and Fury are both fine for the most part, they’re just not turbo broken like a few other classes

[velvet flower]

I’m an average player. I’m happy with the current state of things. Most people suck anyways

[dense elbow]

Darth Traya, git Gud B)

[inland flame]

Arms goes so hard in high pull count dungos rn to be honest, feels pretty good

[chilly fractal]

Truuuuuue

[limber peak]

So I got maw of the void from heroic raid today, should I look to replace it ASAP or is it actually good?

[candid falcon]

i dont think its better than any other weapon, no cantrip effect and full crit stats is meh

[sand crest]

cant, im skyreaver cursed

[fickle cedar]

tunning is coming probably next reset, elemental definitely getting sniped, no idea about the rest tho

[sand crest]

this season is a wrap for me

[dense elbow]

Rip, see you next expansion

[sand crest]

ty bro

[limber peak]

That's fine, I will just replace it if I ever get flood sword, significantly better than the 675 2h I was using

[dense elbow]

Depends on how much your gear need the stats. Just sim to see and compare the options

[candid falcon]

yeah basically its better than lower level swords but like. you wont probably keep it when myth track weapons roll around

[olive wraith]

Read my name

[dense elbow]

We all think you are wrong

[olive wraith]

It’s the best prio

[fickle cedar]

vibes > sim

[quiet breach]

craft 2hander

[charred flint]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pmjP58rbfC5LpmZJoREayP woo almost 5.1m

[olive wraith]

Then why aren’t people playing smf

[charred flint]

smf doesnt give vibes its just looks

[fickle cedar]

no vibes in small weapon handler

[charred flint]

if feels exactly the same

[edgy widget]

The special effect is just flavor (it AoE loots), otherwise it’s a normal weapon w/ double crit instead of two stats

[velvet flower]

Cause 2 2h is way cooler

[limber peak]

Well I'm not at pc so can't sim till tomorrow otherwise I would lol

[quiet breach]

u can craft 2hander and put that maw in the offhand @limber peak u can use that until u get a myth track wep

[candid falcon]

what are the vibes for crafted pieces, is it just make sword no matter what, or is there an idea for m+ double duskthread

[limber peak]

Ye I've got crafted 2h, I should of really said that in my original message .

Maw is in OH

[velvet flower]

Greataxe supremacy

[limber peak]

I'll just keep it till I get a nice drop, either way free 710ilvl weapon without spending crests

[dense elbow]

I crafted polearm, to complete the mog collection

[warm crag]

woke

[paper ivy]

i crafted a 720 2h weapon. should i be abale to upgrade another weapon free only with stones?

[velvet flower]

Yes

[paper ivy]

why doesnt it work then?

[twilit temple]

Might need to relog

[paper ivy]

ah ok ll try thank you

[quiet breach]

with a crafted 2h u don't need to spent crests to upgrade any 2h to 710 only valorstones

[velvet flower]

Yeah turn it on and off again

[olive wraith]

Also. Equip it in both slots for good measure

[quiet breach]

wtf was that a scam message lol?

[limber peak]

Good to know Ty

[velvet flower]

Grok smh

[dense elbow]

Mr Beast gambling now with free money 💰🤑🤑🤑💰💰

[inland flame]

We get that kinda spam a lot it just gets deleted pretty quickly

[quiet breach]

when you get a myth track 2 hander you can upgrade that all the way to 720 for free, only need gilded crests for the last bit to get to 723

[velvet flower]

Max crafted is 720 though right?

[twilit temple]

Yes

So if you craft, then get myth wep, it’s free up to 720, then you spend 15 gilded from 720->723

[velvet flower]

First I need to ever run a dungeon to get myth track

[olive wraith]

I believe in you

10s aren’t too bad

[velvet flower]

Someone has to

[dense elbow]

Can upgrade HC track shield to 710 as well, so you are useful for the playermass in m+

[velvet flower]

Gonna try to get across the board 7s and then jump into 10s maybe

[quiet breach]

when I was doing delves week 1 I got veteran track onehander and shield back to back

right after switching to prot loot spec lol

[twilit temple]

I keep losing the shields in mythic raid to healers Sadge lol

[smoky vale]

@warm crag woke

[olive wraith]

I have yet to get my prot stuff

[dense elbow]

Do it, prot is chill and fun in the 12 range

Just clapping or slapping, no threat or pressure

[quiet breach]

I did some prot week 1 to get into keys easily

[olive wraith]

Been running low keys in prot loot spec

[quiet breach]

then I got my io and had no issues getting into groups as DPS after

tanking is not fun

not a fan

will prob do the same thing next tier too tho

[velvet flower]

People here always talk about 10-12s being easy meanwhile my group bricked a 7 ara-Kara last week

[quiet breach]

I deadass got into an 8 with like, a 2 and 5 timed only

cuz I was a tank lol

skip the line till u don't have to no more

[olive wraith]

Tbf 12s feel easier than 10s because you lose the affix

[quiet breach]

:based:

[dense elbow]

12 is so much more fun
Affixes is the worst

[velvet flower]

I guess really an average player doesn’t come onto a class specific discord and talk though

[dense elbow]

You are correct

[quiet breach]

affixes do be unfun

[olive wraith]

Oh ya not at all. I’m probably below average in here and I do higher stuff than my guild

[velvet flower]

Like I think I’m about average. I usually get purple parses but I rarely get aotc and don’t go much past 2k io

[olive wraith]

Pretty sure 2k io is above average

Would have to look at the % breakdown of last season

[woven valley]

I usually shoot for 3k each season cause rewards are all I care about lol 😂

[quiet breach]

fucking chasing people around to soak orbs is ACTUALLY THE MOST FRUSTRATING SHIT IN M+

[dense elbow]

I am 2.9k, doing weeklies, so ya prob under the avg by a moley

[quiet breach]

I only recently decided I wanted to try casually pushing io

last season I was a 3k and done player

[velvet flower]

Is 3k a mount also?

[quiet breach]

yes

[olive wraith]

I like doing this too. I go until I can’t stand pugging

[inland flame]

Same as 2k just different color I think

[undone flower]

I consider blue rio score as average among ppl who really do m+

[velvet flower]

3k is what? 12 and 13s?

[quiet breach]

I am gonna try pushing, but if it takes me forever to get my 8 completed keys for the week due to leavers I will probably stop

[inland flame]

Yeah all 12s timed with a few 13s should do it

[olive wraith]

Ya it’s like half half I think

[inland flame]

Depends on if you pick up any 12+2s n stuff

[quiet breach]

last season I got 3k with only 3 timed 13s

[velvet flower]

Currently I’m 1724 let’s go

[olive wraith]

I’m at 2900 on the dot and I have a 14, 2-13s, 4 12s and an 11

[undone flower]

Yes because you get extra points if you time well

[quiet breach]

ye ik

[plush zephyr]

Dog there’s mythic plus friends, group finders guide, casual Friday. All run keys and “key events”

[quiet breach]

I am hoping I can push and also sometimes complete a key even if it's bricked

[velvet flower]

There’s the wow made easy also

[quiet breach]

but I don't think the playerbase cares about that

[olive wraith]

It’s low key dead at higher keys

[fickle cedar]

aimed perfectly ez

[olive wraith]

Like 5 posts a day

For 12+

[quiet breach]

lol wtf did u time all of them with 1 second left?

[velvet flower]

Good point. Probably not the best for pushing

[undone flower]

Personally I use my guild for weeklies on rat dps alts, I can’t say if ppl take my war as fury bc of raid progress

[dense elbow]

You can never gain score on that char again

[fickle cedar]

aside from one 13 i dont think so

[plush zephyr]

I haven’t had a “leaver vote” yet

Kinda looking forward to it

Does it look cool?

😂

[quiet breach]

I did once but didn't even realize it happened before it passed

[undone flower]

They go pretty quick

[velvet flower]

I had an abandon in a +6 hoa lol

[dense elbow]

I had plenty, it is kinda fun

[plush zephyr]

LOL

[undone flower]

Once it appears everyone slams the yes

[plush zephyr]

That’s amazing

[dense elbow]

Ya feel like playing LoL in the 2015s

[plush zephyr]

Wait

No

That’s terrible

[undone flower]

You need 4 ppl to say yes

[fickle cedar]

there's people that do hostage shit and stay there until you ff, back to ranked league lol

[dense elbow]

[quiet breach]

key holder has 2x votes

[velvet flower]

League mentioned reeee

[olive wraith]

Worst part is you gotta wait 5 mins

[plush zephyr]

Till what

[quiet breach]

so if key holder and 2 others say yes it's wraps

[olive wraith]

So if first pull is scuffed you all just sit there

[plush zephyr]

Ohhh

[undone flower]

I didn’t know

[plush zephyr]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[olive wraith]

5 mins until you can abandon

[plush zephyr]

Blizzard is so good at implementing things

[quiet breach]

that's why it seems like if I push I might have to push my own key so I can vote no, but I feel like people will just leave anyway or afk

[undone flower]

It is good implement, just need few fixes

[plush zephyr]

You literally find out if the key is going to brick 99% of the time within the fist 5 mins

[olive wraith]

Ya I still see people leave occasionally

[velvet flower]

Its better to waste 5 minutes than 30+

[steel shard]

the tech is

ppl just fake dc

and log out

[plush zephyr]

Idk I’ve bricked 3 keys this season and everyone stayed

[steel shard]

and you are stuck there to wait out the timer

[plush zephyr]

But ig it’s cause I don’t really pug/and the ppl I do take to my keys that I don’t know are vibers

[quiet breach]

I don't care if people leave early

but like, if we are more then halfway thru

[olive wraith]

Depends for me

[quiet breach]

I wanna finish if I still have vault slots to get

[olive wraith]

If we wipes 3 times on dragon boss

I’m over it

[plush zephyr]

I haven’t wiped on dragon boss yet

[quiet breach]

nobody even voted?

[velvet flower]

Yo fury chat should I get pizza or five guys

[plush zephyr]

Nope

[undone flower]

Yes if it’s a push key, I’m not progging a boss for ages

[olive wraith]

Five guys is mid

[dense elbow]

I had so many runs where ppl call it as ya stand there one pull from last boss. They vote, ya disband, ppl complain about ppl wasting their time and no loot

[olive wraith]

Which pizza place

[quiet breach]

the pushers in my guild only care about Io and seemed to get slightly offended when I brought up finishing keys LMAO

[velvet flower]

Jets prob

[olive wraith]

Never heard of it

I’d go for pizza out of the two options

[plush zephyr]

I can see that. Bricked keys are looked at as the plague

I look at them and respect people

[undone flower]

Seems the type of ppl who don’t go in your keys unless it gives them rio

Or leave when you have the wrong key

[plush zephyr]

Was just doing +3s with a friend lol

[velvet flower]

Is there any kind of add on for routes?

[quiet breach]

mythic dungeon tools

[olive wraith]

You can upload routes to mdt

[undone flower]

Yes mdt

[surreal spindle]

i pay someone 100k if they help me figure out what im doing wrong #347213446154158093 message

[velvet flower]

How do you upload them?

[undone flower]

If you saw someone link a route, you need mdt to see it

[velvet flower]

I wanna tank on my guardian

[undone flower]

On random websites, like treechest.io

[olive wraith]

The site has a bunch of peoples routes on it

[velvet flower]

Thank you friends

[undone flower]

Or guru keystone

[olive wraith]

Or just yolo pull

[plush zephyr]

Yeah especially in dawn just, fly around and Aggro everything

[undone flower]

W until it goes wrong : next time I’m not pulling this dude

[surreal spindle]

🙁

[velvet flower]

Do guardian druids ever actually die?

[olive wraith]

We finished with 150% next time I pull less

[plush zephyr]

I’d rather group die to a big pull then a tank pulling tiny shit and take forever

[plush zephyr]

I don’t think so, no

[undone flower]

That’s how you learn what is dangerous

[plush zephyr]

LOL

[undone flower]

If you don’t pull it, you will never know why ppl don’t

[olive wraith]

Link shows as unknown for me btw

[tranquil gazelle]

Dimmy trinket stinky in m+ ya?

[olive wraith]

It’s average I think

[surreal spindle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pthHKQGmZBfF3q8V

does that work?

[covert coyote]

btw if the whole group zones out of dungeon and leader resets you don't have to wait for the FF timer. tested myself

[olive wraith]

Good for resil keys I guess

[covert coyote]

yeah when the first FG or PSF pull goes wrong

[olive wraith]

Have you tried posting in the log review channel

[open prairie]

im an anti priory right sider

[olive wraith]

Right side is pretty chill now

[covert coyote]

it's coordinating the boss interrupts in pugs that makes right side hard now

[fickle cedar]

next week ill get to 18

[open prairie]

did you get the delves rep yet

its 1250

[open prairie]

Yeah expecting pugs to kick

[fickle cedar]

wait how

havent done delves in a while

[surreal spindle]

didnt know that was a thing is there a link?

[open prairie]

sometimes delves drop rep in the end chests on bountiful

once per week for each faction

[velvet flower]

Under general discussion

[olive wraith]

#1347646810457636974

[open prairie]

unless you have reflect up then pugs have kick on speed dial

[velvet flower]

Only problems I have with pugs is everyone interrupts at the same time

[open prairie]

that happens in melee comps

[covert coyote]

sounds like the group i usually run with after i call out reflecting

[velvet flower]

It’s happened in every comp for me running sub +10 honestly

[chilly fractal]

If you never kick… you’ll never overlap

See how that works

[velvet flower]

Based

[olive wraith]

People that have that macro or wa or w.e that announces their kick target are goated

Otherwise I just race to kick first

[unborn delta]

it announces after u kick no?

[velvet flower]

I like the ones that announce when I’ve kicked something. Makes me feel good

[olive wraith]

There’s once before key starts

That says “I’ll kick Star”

As an example

With the marker icon

[chilly fractal]

I tend to let people overlap their kicks with a stun while I get the kick afterwards then link them the interrupt counts afterwards

Jk I don’t do that but it’d be funny

[velvet flower]

I’m basically using shockwave on cooldown

[undone flower]

If you play Col arms I would say go ahead but others it is kinda int, unless you are in a doggo group doing no stops

[dense elbow]

Then star got two casts in a row

[weary ice]

Can’t sim rn, anyone know roughly how big of a gain it is to use the crit gem over run speed?

[olive wraith]

Ya that has happened too

[olive wraith]

Pretty sure it’ll be dependent on your character

[weary ice]

Yeah jw roughly

[undone flower]

Speed gem on my bdk is so good, im FAST

[olive wraith]

More than 0

[weary ice]

No idea then

Aight

[undone flower]

I would say 0.1% or less

[weary ice]

Np

[undone flower]

I don’t remember the effect amount of the crit gem

Even tho I’m using it

[edgy widget]

very small, in fact I'd even recommend the runspeed gem if not for the fact that it doesn't stack with Frenzied Enrage

[quiet breach]

do stuns count on interrupt counters?

[edgy widget]

no

[quiet breach]

every sim I've done this season doesn't even want me to use the diamond

[edgy widget]

make sure you set it up right, very common to mess up

[uneven path]

Has anyone tried to play MT with Frenzied enrage in M+ ?

[undone flower]

You have obscure things you can see in the script options of details

Idk if stuns are there

[quiet breach]

I still have the diamond and all 3 colors

[weary ice]

4?

[dense elbow]

Yes

[winter shoal]

No but I've simmed it, it's slightly better in single target and slightly worse in aoe

[quiet breach]

just cuz I don't care about regemming

[uneven path]

Yeh, that tracks.

[quiet breach]

so your saying the diamond + the 3 gem colors should still be simming higher then perfectly targeted secondary gems in every slot?

[uneven path]

Whats your take ? For me Frenzied just feels sooo much better.

[dense elbow]

Frenzied feels better, so what I play if I dont go OF build.

DPS diff was not noticeable

[uneven path]

Wait you have some forbidden OF tech build ?

[dense elbow]

Slayer

[edgy widget]

#1273899855852339200 "alt slayer" build
spoiler: it's not as good as the regular version

[uneven path]

[olive wraith]

It’ll be better after Of buffs next week

[dense elbow]

Surely

[uneven path]

thx, I just checked the wowhead for most common builds, gotta try the alt slayer for fun.

[olive wraith]

What’s the magic number for buffs kitty

[dense elbow]

About 60%

[cobalt horizon]

Sims want me to take antenna so bad but I kinda wanna get myth and cata it (I have 2 charges), is Antenna still that good? I have Seaforium/Sacbrood/Idol myth

[edgy widget]

generally yes

[uneven path]

Just discovered there should be setting for antenna in sims, since you won't hit most likle all of the orbs.

[cobalt horizon]

ahhhhh

[quiet breach]

ok I'll make sure my sims are set properly, now that I'm thinking about it probably just didn't select the diamond lol

[uneven path]

That should improve accuracy of the sim.

[cobalt horizon]

is there a string? Anyone have it?

[quiet breach]

I have the diamond on my belt and the two off colors on one of my rings tho

iirc

so I prob won't change anything

but for future reference it's good to know

[cobalt horizon]

ah cool, what seems to be the go to %?

[quiet breach]

if you do choose the myth don't take the chest, first mythic boss drops a catalyzable chest

choose the legs

[cobalt horizon]

good shout

[quiet breach]

or hands

[uneven path]

@edgy widget Sorry for tagging but how come we never play ?

[quiet breach]

your gonna have to think hard and decide tho cuz that's not an easy decision

[bitter palm]

evenly split

[quiet breach]

I don't think going either way is a bad decision tho

[edgy widget]

read it very carefully, specifically the last five words
lmk when you see it

[cobalt horizon]

is antenna that good though fark

[quiet breach]

so if u feel way better about taking a myth I'd do that

I have come to realize that with vault decisions there's not always a for sure 100% correct answer

sometimes u just gotta pick what u want

[olive wraith]

I stopped at read

[junior gale]

you guys can read?

[winter shoal]

I mean tbf CC has some of the worst wording in the game since the battlelord -10 rage thing

[uneven path]

The evenly split, makes it usless on bigger pulls ?

[uneven path]

Nah, I just feel the latters

[olive wraith]

It’s just 10% damage

[earnest canyon]

yeah they started an outreach program teaching warriors to read....we are currently doing Wheres Spot

[olive wraith]

Compared to 50% rampage

[edgy widget]

means that it gives the same value against 1 target as vs 10

[junior gale]

I just make shit up in my head

[uneven path]

yeh

[edgy widget]

its not worded poorly at all; it's actually explicitly clear... it just doesn't do what you would expect it to do

[uneven path]

Took me longer then I would like to admit to realise why it sucks so much.

[olive wraith]

It’s okay we all monke

[edgy widget]

Let's say you use Bladestorm, it hits 10 times for 100 damage each, or a total of 1,000

• culling cyclone multiplies that by 1.1 = 110 damage each, for a total of 1,100 damage (10% damage)

[uneven path]

I like that approach too, mostly when I try to ragebate someone.

[winter shoal]

bate instead of bait doing some crazy work there

[dense elbow]

I burn myself on that every other week, trying to make that talent a one I would consider

[edgy widget]

now lets say all of your strikes hit 5 targets, so you do
10 hits * 100 damage each * 5 targets = 5,000 damage

• you'd think culling cyclone would multiply that by 10% for 5,500 damage

[olive wraith]

If only

[edgy widget]

but that pesky "split evenly between all targets" means what it's actually doing is

• 10 * 100 * 5 * (1 + (0.1 / 5 )) = 5,100 damage, which is the same +100 damage gain you got vs 1 target

[uneven path]

🥲

[olive wraith]

It needs that common damage trinket thing

Each target increases damage by x

Then it’s split evenly

[edgy widget]

the point of the talent was to increase Bladestorm's "single target" contribution without also increasing its multitarget, since it's already predominantly a multitarget button

[uneven path]

Feels pointless

[edgy widget]

it just doesn't do a very good job of it, and Brutal Finish is just plain better

[uneven path]

Yeh

In my eys brutal finish is the singel target choice and it should have some aoe counterpart.

[edgy widget]

they could tune the gain high enough that we'd probably take it, at least on single target, but there isn't exactly an important gameplay difference between the two talents, so its kind of w/e

[edgy widget]

Yeah, that's why people so often misconstrue it, because the expectation is that the Rampage bonus would be better for ST and the Bladestorm bonus would be better for multitarget, but actuality is (mostly) flipped

[pearl sequoia]

its multiplied by cleave dam right so its the bigger juice

big number better than other number

[uneven path]

Yep, sometimes I feel like devs (not only blizzard) have vision for some mechanic, but it doesn't work as it should. And instead of trying to fix it they just leave it as it is. And go "yeh f*ck it"

[calm mantle]

Hey guys, how big is the difference between thane and slayer for M+ this season?

[olive wraith]

Thane higher overalls. Slayer better prio

[calm mantle]

Can I get away with just playing slayer in higher keys like 15's?

[olive wraith]

Ya. You’ll do good prio and boss damage

You’ll just want other dps that are good on aoe

[calm mantle]

Slayer just feels nicer, I seem to focus too much on trying to get more thunderblasts off and just end up playing worse

[quiet breach]

@restive peak

let linccstyle the slayer extradonair tell you all about the benefits of slayer

[plush zephyr]

lol Linc is just gonna get @'d whenever someone mentions slayer in m+ now lmfao

[olive wraith]

Ya play what you want

[quiet breach]

dude he stans it SO HARD I couldn't help it

[olive wraith]

What’s the issue you think you’re having with thane?

[quiet breach]

like 60% of his posts I see is him talking about how awesome slayer is

[olive wraith]

lincc is slayer m+ Stan
Kitty is of stan

[calm mantle]

I'm just staring at my bars too much for Thunderblast and procs so I'm paying less attention to what's happening in the actual key.

[plush zephyr]

thats just linc. last season he was saying how terrible pve was and that he never wanted to play it again and went to pvp lmao

now he's the slayer m+ guy

[olive wraith]

Like the resets specifically?

[calm mantle]

mhm

[plush zephyr]

just go to dummies for like 30 mins or something

rotational memorization

[quiet breach]

make a WA that makes a sound when you get thunder blast and u won't have to

[olive wraith]

You can cast a gcd

Between tb resets

[plush zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/eevee-ding-ding-plate-pokemon-gif-25106747

[quiet breach]

also ye we had a whole discussion about this

[plush zephyr]

id go insane

[quiet breach]

earlier

[olive wraith]

Archi approved gameplay

[quiet breach]

as long as u aren't over capping tb charges u can cast a GCD in between

[calm mantle]

this is a good idea.

[quiet breach]

create premade aura > thunder blast > only show when available.

then go to actions > add sound

it's that easy

[calm mantle]

Thanks chief

[edgy widget]

I mean to be frank, not everything is worth fixing if it's not creating a problem

I think it's more indicative that one or both talents could use a change, because it's one of those things that just comes down to an arbitrary choice between two obscure numbers

[olive wraith]

That’s a lot of our tree

[edgy widget]

in some places, though perhaps not as many as you'd think

[olive wraith]

Big sad

[edgy widget]

like Ravager and Bladestorm serve distinct roles

so do Frenzied and Powerful Enrage

[olive wraith]

Im thinking more like os

How it’s just nowhere close to rb

[edgy widget]

I know, but that's not really the same situation

[olive wraith]

Fair

[edgy widget]

first of all, OS and OF do affect the gameplay (even if they aren't very competitive right now)

Secondly, they don't directly compete against each other the way an actual choice node does

but aside from the very obscure "spam RB after Bladestorm" tech (which not that many players actually do), Culling Cyclone/Brutal Finish don't have any impact on build or gameplay

[quiet breach]

the last few xpacs how much has fury changed? has it been like learning an entirely new spec every xpac?

[smoky vale]

no

[edgy widget]

it's had changes, certainly

[smoky vale]

bfa class design

[edgy widget]

the core idea hasn't changed though, no

[young swan]

its mostly the same with some added functionality

[edgy widget]

they've absolutely improved upon it over time

[fervent tundra]

How many RB's should we use before Rampage? Or is it just ramapge at X amount of rage?

[edgy widget]

based on rage and enrage

[olive wraith]

Only time we play around slaughtering strikes is after bladestorm

And even then i think i get like 2 max before I have to execute and ramp

[edgy widget]

Yeah Execute does kind of interrupt you now

[fervent tundra]

thats kinda why I am curious, sometimes I will RB and then get back to back execute procs, so I just prio dumping the rage with RB then going back to exe then rampage etc, just wasn't sure if I should be RB inbetween that and potentially overcapping

[edgy widget]

Execute has some built in overcap, so you don't necessarily need to worry about using it as soon as it pops up

e.g. you want to use it at 2 marks, but marks stack up to 3

[velvet flower]

@edgy widget is mfe stacks built into the wa for sudden death procs too?

[olive wraith]

Yes

It’s got all the conditionals

[undone flower]

Bite>Kaching

[pale lava]

how much dps increase is that tech now? I'm curious if the tier set buffing RB had any additional impact over it

[velvet flower]

Slick. I have to learn thane tonight wish me luck

[edgy widget]

not a whole lot, and tier does often cause you to fill a GCD w/ Execute instead of RB

[olive wraith]

Thane doesn’t push execute

[pale lava]

something around 0.7%? been trying to weigh how it is versus "farming" more cooldown reduction via AM

[velvet flower]

I know. I usually stick to raids on Tuesdays and weekends. M+ the rest of the week

[olive wraith]

Okay just checking lol

[olive wraith]

The tech doesn’t gain dps because of tier afaik

It’s just that rb is that much stronger

The reason for spamming rb is to stack rampage damage via slaughtering strikes and then brutal finish

[pale lava]

I'm aware of that, I was more curious on the % increase it is, was wondering how much dps we're losing if we opt not to

[velvet flower]

I used rampage 37 times in 2:23. is that a lot?

[olive wraith]

Idk the % but you could just not do it and see how it is

[undone flower]

then why execute hero talent if doesn't push execute

[frozen lake]

Yep bite is exe, kaching is forever BT crit

[crude ridge]

is it just me or does anyone else wish tier had a bit higher chance to proc reap?

[undone flower]

definitely those 25% buffed execute is what holding thane gameplay together

[olive wraith]

Delete execute. Embrace

[crude ridge]

I feel like it could just use a bit more % chance

[undone flower]

you might be surprise by the non 0 amount of execute i press as thane now

[olive wraith]

Of course we’d all like more. But the 2p is already pretty damn huge for slayer

[crude ridge]

I'm talking about the 4pc

[olive wraith]

Ya it does happen occasionally

[olive wraith]

I understand. But what I’m saying is the 2p gives us like 13% dps increase. And the 4p is another 5ish

Making our tier one of the biggest increases I think

[light grotto]

Should I use Bladestorm on cooldown on single targets?

[edgy widget]

As Slayer, yes

[light grotto]

Ty!

[olive wraith]

Also. Another thought. Wouldn’t it just be better to buff something in base kit instead

[fringe vale]

hold if there's like 10s of reck cd. so u reck+ bs

[olive wraith]

That sounds too long to hold

[undone flower]

unsure if i would hold bs for 10 sec in ST

yes

[modest condor]

i mean you dont hold for 10 seconds

[undone flower]

it's half of my BS cd

[modest condor]

if reck cd is 10 seconds then it's more like 4 seconds or something

[bitter palm]

i just send perma fuck it we ball

[modest condor]

that's 2 rampages

[bitter palm]

i love getting like 4 kachings in a row

nd seeing

my bs go from 1 30 to 40

peak

[undone flower]

yes i feel whatever i do, i will have a bs somehow during my reck

[olive wraith]

And half the cooldown of bs

[winter shoal]

For current state of araz prog do you guys think it's a thane or slayer angle

[bitter palm]

i hold if reck is within rampage am

cause reck + ava is more damage

powerful cds

[dense fulcrum]

when do we want to use roar in raid in the rotation/opener realistically? because im still doing s2 rotation xD

[hardy shuttle]

[olive wraith]

Best burst in the business

[dense fulcrum]

(in term of opener, i use roar like we did in s2)

[undone flower]

both, whatever your guild struggle on, but it is a thane parse fight 100%

[winter shoal]

On single target, when you run out of other buttons to press

[crude ridge]

thane is looking better but slayer will give better boss/prio dmg

[bitter palm]

idk i heard adds explode immediately

[undone flower]

yes, so if they don't somehow, you can go thane

[bitter palm]

but depends on group ye

[winter shoal]

Eroka said thane was reliant on PI for cds to line up

[crude ridge]

so far on my prog they do not die quickly

[bitter palm]

if u need more add damage go thane idk but slayer should do well too

slayer has good burst

[undone flower]

i'm slayer on araz for now, we only did P1

[bitter palm]

not as good as thane but ye

[dense fulcrum]

so in the opener, we do it just after we pressed the major prio stuff?

and then use it with avatar on cd?

[winter shoal]

In the opener on ST you don't press it at all ideally

[dense fulcrum]

or always when we dont have nothing else

[winter shoal]

I still do because fuck it

[dense fulcrum]

ye kinda the same ngl

[winter shoal]

My fleeting pot is macrod in with roar

[dense fulcrum]

i still do it before bladestorm

[winter shoal]

So I just press it anyways

cba

[dense fulcrum]

xD

[candid falcon]

hey folks, i just got a signet of the priory, does anyone have any usage tips? when it lines up with stuff, when to use it and when to hold it

[olive wraith]

Pref with cooldowns

[compact knot]

is soulbreakers sigil sim bait

anyone smart

[olive wraith]

But 2min is kinda bad for us

[candid falcon]

it does blow ass

at the start of a pull i assume you send it, do you send it again at 2m and hope it lines up with something for 4m?

[compact knot]

seems like it isnt sim bait

was wondering if it took the vers effect into the sim

[olive wraith]

I’d honestly be using a diff trink

[compact knot]

(it does not)

[olive wraith]

[candid falcon]

yeah my trinket options are legit dogfart

[chilly fractal]

Only comes from killing stuff right? The Vers buff

[olive wraith]

I’d keep hoc over it

[compact knot]

yeah

[candid falcon]

dont have house of cards, hang on

[compact knot]

it seems to just be a better arcanocore

[chilly fractal]

SMF o7

[dense fulcrum]

my guild paid for premium raid bot

[hot dune]

I want to run it so bad

[dense fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/very-much-juicy-juicy-juiciness-the-very-much-juiciness-the-very-much-juicy-gif-18084069

[olive wraith]

Then do it

[chilly fractal]

I couldn’t imagine not paying for Premium raidbots

[hot dune]

I got Plexhammer out of myth last week

[dense fulcrum]

so good

[hot dune]

come on blizz gimme another 400k dps on SMF

[candid falcon]

my options 🥀

[compact knot]

lowkey i like this sigil

it has like 100% uptime

[olive wraith]

Ya literally either trinket instead of signet

For me personally

[candid falcon]

i assume you mean incorp or soulbreaker?

[compact knot]

sigil + arcanocore

[candid falcon]

sigil + arcanocore in single target, same in m+? or

[compact knot]

prob arcanocore + signet in m+

im testing sigil rn

[chilly fractal]

Don’t overthink it, you should get better options soon

[candid falcon]

stuff like antenna or screams would be nice

pacemaker actually would also be good

[crude ridge]

The day SMF is good is the day fury warrior dies and blizz is cooked

[candid falcon]

thank you all for the trinket help <3 i appreciate it

[olive wraith]

Doesn’t have to be good

[compact knot]

sigil can be applied to multiple targets

[charred flint]

i dont get smf lovers

[compact knot]

think its good in aoe as well

[charred flint]

but i really dont get smf haters

its the same fucking spec who cares what is better

[olive wraith]

Real

[charred flint]

might as well smf be good

we wont have to craft 2handers

[olive wraith]

Let people play whatever

[charred flint]

can get 2 bis weapons week 2

[crude ridge]

i don't hate it i just don't understand how 1 side of a skill tree can remain so dead for so long

[olive wraith]

Double craft isn’t bis

You lose ilvl

[crude ridge]

i say one side but really i mean 1 point lol

[compact knot]

120 gilded crests + 600k less dps > 60 gilded crests + 600k more dps

[undone flower]

But it would not make second wep free upgrade, even tho idc

[compact knot]

thats the only reason im a smf hater

[olive wraith]

We have other dead talents fwiw

[candid falcon]

if SMF was within 5% of double 2h would you even still play it

it's kinda boring no

[olive wraith]

It’s the same thing

[crude ridge]

yeah but nothing has been as dead as SMF for so long

[silent gazelle]

thane on araz is so fucking annoying

[undone flower]

My own hate toward SMF is the fact I can’t use my own loot spec

[olive wraith]

Does it matter how long something’s been dead? If it’s been dead for like 2 years it’s basically perma irrelevant

[crude ridge]

idk blizz loves to rework under used talents and yet this one never gets used lol

[charred flint]

who cares about ilvl if you have more damage?

[crude ridge]

think it's been buffed all but twice ever

[candid falcon]

the last time SMF was even close to relevant was DF season 3 when we were running annihilator, right?

[crude ridge]

no

[candid falcon]

i remember some murmurs about SMF builds that season

[charred flint]

there was that meme build in df season 1

with anihhilator

it wasnt super behind

still behind

[crude ridge]

SMF has never been better than 2handers

[charred flint]

dont remember numbers

[olive wraith]

We haven’t touched massacre since before DF

[undone flower]

I still wait

[olive wraith]

I wasn’t playing pre DF

So idk how long massacre has been dead

[crude ridge]

yeah that one is just as bad as SMF lol

[undone flower]

Storm of steel was introduced in bfa, we still don’t use it

[gray canyon]

Good evening!

[charred flint]

df i think

[candid falcon]

underused talent jumpscare

[charred flint]

we liked it as venthyr

in sl

didnt we

[candid falcon]

yeah

[crude ridge]

Mass was used with if I remember DF S2 tier?

[olive wraith]

No

[brittle crow]

id be #1 parser in my guild rn but i died on salhadaar and parsed 18

gonna kms

[fickle cedar]

wtf i didnt expect that

[charred flint]

its weird now because of tier set execute isnt super trash and we still dont use massacre

but hey who cares

[gray canyon]

How much Mastery is recommended for Fury Warrior?

[candid falcon]

it was good for venthyr

[charred flint]

spec is good

[charred flint]

as much as sim tells you

[brittle crow]

as much as sims tell u to get

[charred flint]

mine seemed to stop recommending after 52% but it depends

easier to sim

[charred flint]

it was good for the furry guys too

execute damage was higher as the furry guy than as venthyr

[velvet flower]

My sims are mad at me because I have 59% mastery smh

[candid falcon]

night fae?

[charred flint]

on season 1 at least

yeah

[undone flower]

Arms gonna get condemn apex talent

[crude ridge]

As far as I know the only 2 talents that never were good is SMF and Storm of steel

[candid falcon]

i have no respect for warriors that picked night fae ngl

[crude ridge]

everything else has been used at one point or another

[charred flint]

nightfae was goated

for everything but denny

[candid falcon]

even if it was good it had to have felt like faeline stomp

[charred flint]

if im not wrong

[undone flower]

Have we played onslaught capstone at one point ?

[candid falcon]

i ran venthyr for all of s1 and 2 of sl, and kyrian for s3

[compact knot]

yes

[olive wraith]

Df we used it

[charred flint]

I think i swapped to Venthyr for denny prog

[crude ridge]

yeah in DF

[candid falcon]

onslaught was used in DF quite a lot, especially s3

[charred flint]

s1 was used too after mid season patch

[undone flower]

Okok, I didn’t play lot of DF, I always wondered what it looks like to play with onslaught

[charred flint]

god i hated the buffed rb talent

thank god they trashed it

[candid falcon]

crushing blow?

[crude ridge]

Massacre was used in S2 if i remember

[olive wraith]

RA?

[neon ocean]

Is it pretty normal to cast 3 recklessnesses before rampage? or just 2

[charred flint]

yea

[olive wraith]

Massacre wasn’t used

[candid falcon]

dude i would LOVE to cast recklessness 3 times

[compact knot]

fury doesnt have as many dead talents as other specs, just the length we have had dead talents is the problem, arcane has a lot of talents not used but they usually end up getting changed fast

[crude ridge]

I thought execute tier we used it?

or was that s1?