fury

[smoky vale]

bazed

i cranked araz

holy

[rotund ginkgo]

I'm gonna get a solid grey log there cuz I'm not benched and I will not be performing like these madlads 😎👊

[slim coral]

W

[tepid cedar]

How the fuck you do that. We only got about an hour worth of pulls last night but that adds get deleted lol

[rotund ginkgo]

Literally just spin

[tepid cedar]

Is there more adds where we can actually kill?

Ahh you played slayer. I was using thane. But might go slayer Friday

[smoky vale]

https://tenor.com/view/those-who-mow-those-who-know-gif-6741124947321800836

[slim coral]

thane is bad cause you just rely on rng

[young swan]

gio doesnt play this class anymore cause hes cringe

[slim coral]

you get procs you sore on the meters you don't get procs you're bottom dps

[smoky vale]

thats incorrect

[young swan]

huh

weird

[smoky vale]

he exists

[slim coral]

gio mains rogue

[young swan]

"guys i cranked"

no giofiveseven on logs

only camillax

[slim coral]

I cranked my hog

[young swan]

weird

odd

[tepid cedar]

Lolol

[slim coral]

30 more percent to go on soul hunters

then I get to play again

[smoky vale]

god i wish my guild did the fight normally

i love losing uptime on adds everytime

[tepid cedar]

Gio said he wanked while being on araz

[smoky vale]

🙂

[feral ivy]

wtf

[smoky vale]

@young swan can we do keys

[slim coral]

no

[smoky vale]

i need to fill vaults

[slim coral]

he doesnt do keys with non warriors

[tepid cedar]

lol wtf

Go do that RIGHT JOW

[young swan]

that is actually true

[smoky vale]

?

[tepid cedar]

and see what drops I’ll get

[smoky vale]

he literally did

[young swan]

my vault is full im logged out until tomorrow

[smoky vale]

blow up

[slim coral]

The best

[smoky vale]

he legit did keys with me and gajeel on our dks

[young swan]

u can bring showingbelly with u if u want

hes 606

[smoky vale]

me when i lie

[slim coral]

I have 3 full vaults on my main and alts

feels so glorious

[smoky vale]

oh

thats 100 ilvl

lol

[feral ivy]

OMW

[tepid cedar]

Bazed. 4 warrior key when

[young swan]

yeah showingbelly is ready to own

[smoky vale]

showingbelly is not a warrior...

[slim coral]

idk too busy on prog rn

[young swan]

showingbelly is the most broken spec in the game

[slim coral]

I need boots to drop

in vault

from mythic soul

[slim coral]

since I killed frac they should drop

[tepid cedar]

Lol I ran a 16 exo with yips earlier

[slim coral]

120k dps gain from boots

how dumb

[smoky vale]

susge

[tepid cedar]

Eco* we bricked after 2nd boss. Then he said I don’t know what to do in here

[smoky vale]

[slim coral]

blizzard has gotta stop making super anti melee fights

kinda cringe

[feral ivy]

where is 1?

[smoky vale]

wdym 1

[slim coral]

between 0 and 2

[feral ivy]

tbf im BLANKING hard

[slim coral]

soul hunters you just stacked ranged

cause melee can't play or soak

[tepid cedar]

Is it really that bad

Great

[feral ivy]

there is bosses where range is just in a shit spot as well

i think its balanced

[tepid cedar]

Where?? Cause according to logs ranged is shitiing on everyone

🤣

Sub being the exception

[feral ivy]

no key slot 🙁

[slim coral]

in terms of what ranged can do vs melee yes

[proven stream]

i dont think sp enjoy this raid

too much movement

😄

[tepid cedar]

lol

I’m really surprised there hasn’t been any nerfs in the raid

Well more*

[vale quartz]

Give it another week

[feral ivy]

wasnt there 2 other dungeons there?

[earnest canyon]

yeah...graveyard, library, armory, cathedral

found this super high quality illustration someone did

[feral ivy]

put that shit in a museum

[earnest canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-belongs-in-a-museum-gif-19552554

why do you ask anyway?

[feral ivy]

its bothering me i cant see it on map nor the dungeon tab ini adverture guide

[earnest canyon]

they changed it I think a while ago

in classic it gave some of the best gear you would keep til rai

d

[modest condor]

used to be, got changed in mop or wod or something

there's some secret that you can do to unlock the old versions of SM

[feral ivy]

god damn

[earnest canyon]

you couldnt sell that back in the day and people would offer gold for you top open the doors

you could get a rogue to lockpick it too

[feral ivy]

bothering me i cant see if i have the transmog for the dungeon

[signal steeple]

There's a guy in my raid who is maxing out at 909k DPS on fury at 689 ilvl o.O

[earnest canyon]

is he auto attacking

[signal steeple]

He has a normal looking details, but doing almost no damage

The ability damage is in the right order

[earnest canyon]

did he forget to equip a weapon

[sudden tusk]

we love one button rotation

[signal steeple]

His best pull on dimensius is 323k

[summer quail]

tell him to use the 1 button rotation

will improve his damage dramatically

[feral ivy]

forgot classic warrior used mail so there is no transmog for us thats good other than the wep

[earnest canyon]

they didnt use mail really, but you couldnt wear plate til 40 or something

[feral ivy]

ah kk that explains why there is no plate here

[tepid cedar]

Broooooo

INDIE COMPANY

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/JFvY9ZRQLc

So basically elvui devs found a bug in the actual wow client. Thats decreasing frames up to 45% in raids

They have a dev update on GitHub that will fix it

[signal steeple]

Explains why my high end computer is crapping itself on some fights I guess

Tried to troubleshoot weakauras and addons doing it but found nothing

[tepid cedar]

Basically some bug in auras that’s doing full update checks in every aura every second on everyone in the raid

Where the fix for non elv ui users

[feral ivy]

cry to blizz??

lol

[earnest canyon]

whats high end?
and by crapping, do you mean low fps or freezing or what?

Loads of people in my guild having issues on stuff like soulscribe and forge dude....anything with adds basically

[summer stone]

looks like im back here till assa bugs get fixed

[feral ivy]

maby then we can do more dmg during lust + cd's lol

[signal steeple]

Update: he lived the whole pull and went up to 560k

[feral ivy]

Was this a guild run?

[earnest canyon]

Yeah....and the crazy thing? He was 3rd on dps

[feral ivy]

What

[signal steeple]

Ryzen 7900X3D overclocked to 5.6GHz, RTX 4080, 64 GB DDR5 RAM @ 6400 MHz.

No freezes. Just the classic signs of low FPS or a CPU bottleneck maybe (which should be impossible on this game lol)

[feral ivy]

Are we getting our numbers wrong?

[signal steeple]

Yeah, it's a guild run mostly with some pugs. Nobody is getting kicked. BadPitt is doing a lil trolling

[feral ivy]

I’m so lost I want to see his logs now

Defensive form?

[signal steeple]

Nooo I'm not going to name and shame him. I think he's actually trying but just doesn't know better

[feral ivy]

GET OUT

lol

[signal steeple]

Wow that was a quick smite. A+ mods

[earnest canyon]

post details and just put a black square over the names lol

[tepid cedar]

Yeah a ton of ppl saying using the dev build of elvui has drastically improved performance in raid

And in general bc of the bug

Hopefuly blizz fkn fixes this

[feral ivy]

I think it’s defensive form 100%

If you saying his details look fine and dmg is the in right spot then that’s all I can think

Sadly I went and did a +12 in defensive form like 2 duengons in a row when I started warrior lol

[earnest canyon]

When i started warrior again I had to get a wa lmao

at least its not like vanilla where you got 3 stances and need to stance dance sometimes

[feral ivy]

Only reason I remember it is because I got flamed by the friends lol

[feral ivy]

Spear?

[dusk urchin]

maybe he has carpal tunnel and cant press his buttons fast

[feral ivy]

I wonder if he has 4pc and spamming BT?

[signal steeple]

I figured it out. He's using the one button rotation, because fury and recklessness were used... once. Across all Dimensius pulls. He has 2 piece season 3 set and 0 piece season 2. And overall casts are just really low.

This is all 7 dimensius pulls casts 🙂

[earnest canyon]

he must be below the tanks with that dps though

why hasnt gm/rl talked to him or kicked him from raid til he improves

[signal steeple]

Because it's a normal raid in a casual guild that I'm in mainly for the free repairs on my alts haha

[hushed ore]

hey guys , does this build look good? charge into a pack, blood thirst for enrage, avatar > roar > odins fury > rampage > blade storm
burst every 45 seconds
we dont use blood thirst that much this season so, remove everything related to blood thirst

[signal steeple]

A lot of these folks have not raided before

[earnest canyon]

Ah ok fair! Im in a casual guild and we are 7/8 on HC lol....guess casual means different things to diff people

[signal steeple]

Yeah one of the tanks is #6 and the other is #10

Our prot warrior is almost 2m DPS 🙂

[earnest canyon]

they will eat a nerf soon im sure of it (not that i want that....they crank in M+)

I think @undone flower was doing 4m in a +10 we did together lmao

overall

[limber oar]

thats a wild cook

looks really bad lmfao

[open wigeon]

We gain one catalyst per week?

[limber oar]

if its for m+

[limber oar]

every 2 weeks

[earnest canyon]

fortnightly

[limber oar]

woops

[earnest canyon]

cata > spark > cata > spark etc etc

[signal steeple]

I don't theorycraft so it's hard for me to tell if it's good. But what you can do to objectively check (for single target) is sim it. Import the following build which is the recommended wowhead slayer build: CgEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQjhZmNzMMjBzswMzMmhZYmttxYmZWwMmZmxMzsMM8AmZAAAQM22GYBMBzwEYwGA

Go here: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear and make two tabs of it. On the first one, scroll down and select the talents you created. On the other, scroll down and select the wowhead build I gave you. Let it process and compare the results. If you're not too far off, your build is fine provided you can execute on it. Otherwise, it's bad.

[undone flower]

yes i'm usually between 4 and 5m

i was trying to see the damage without any execute talent in our keys tho

[olive wraith]

You don’t need massacre or fresh meat. Put those into talents in the left. You OF enrages you with the other capstone (it’s generally better)

[olive wraith]

Bladestorm cooldown is also less than 45 seconds with tier

Also. Intimidating shout isn’t the best. And I doubt you’ll be using intervene that much in keys. Probably better to get the move speed nodes

[hushed ore]

i just did a quick sim, that shows 7.945 M ( My build) and 7.955M ( default build) thanks, also checked sample rotation , but didnt use Fresh Meat like I intended, thanks

[junior gale]

good ol bad pugs in a 13 HOA

[storm birch]

What would you call an AOTC for tier focused group haha

If 7/8 H week 2 is casual idk what I’d even call them 🤣

[hushed ore]

yea, gonna go try test that out

[olive wraith]

Forgot to ask. Did you have 4p

[dense fulcrum]

since i still missing the 4th piece of set (had some issue with raid loot kek) whats the avg overall u guys doing in 13-15 keys with thane? also is it a lot lower compared to good/uncapped-meta class?

[hushed ore]

no just 2p right now, will have it tmr

[earnest canyon]

idk...I used to be a mythic raider

[olive wraith]

Okay ya then for sure massacre is kind of wasted since it’s only really “active” for 10%

And we only really press execute when we have mfe stacks anyways

[storm birch]

I was just saying I’m pretty sure everyone could come to a common definition of casual and I don’t think it’s 7/8 H week 2 😛 but I came to the convo late and may have completely misunderstood what yall were talking about

[undone flower]

i still consider it as casual tbf

because it's not about the difficulty

[hardy vault]

i see some top warrior use wrecking throw, but not only on plexus, on loom too for example, why ?

[earnest canyon]

most of us are ex mythic raiders with family and kids, so its just 3hr raid twice a week....so we tend to do ok I guess

[undone flower]

wreck has a longer range than charge

[earnest canyon]

but heroic is the new normal really

normal is heroic in story mode, and lfr is just afk

[undone flower]

and story mode is a follower dungeon

[olive wraith]

Idk if I’d call 6 hours a week casual myself

[undone flower]

3 night / 9h is definitly not casual, i'm not sure on 6h/ 2 nights

But it is not just a 1 thing = casual or not, it is a range of things in my view

Like rcloot, vault filling requirements etc

[olive wraith]

Ya it’s not really a cut and dry definition

Main barrier for me is the time commitment

[earnest canyon]

its just to clear it, and there is a lot of fucking around, breaks cos kids are acting up....we were wiping on soul dude cos we didnt know you could soak the aoe lmao

just go in raw and rely on DBM and checking what killed us

[undone flower]

I did a tier blind progging / nyalotha, it was a lot of fun

[olive wraith]

I feel like I learn that way the best anyway

Videos don’t do it for me

[earnest canyon]

yeah i zone out, especially if they start using ability names rather than "stand in blue circle, run out of red circle" etc

[earnest canyon]

Oh yeah I forgot they had story mode too now....idk how to even try that

[undone flower]

I think it is where you trade curios, I’m not sure it is already open

[earnest canyon]

trade curios? Idk what that is either lmao

[limber oar]

Well forgeweaver is def a fun mythic boss

[dense fulcrum]

would u guys use 2p old and 2p new on thane if you dont have 4p ?

[limber oar]

Thane cranks the adds hard

[woven valley]

Thane gets its real damage from the 4p

[dense fulcrum]

ye i know

[woven valley]

Just go slayer with 2 2 pc that worked out better for me

[dense fulcrum]

but if i go in 14's with slayer build on dungeons like floodgate i do nothing in aoe

was trying to figure out if thane can work with 2p and 2p

ye is what im doing but in dungeons where u need aoe (in pug) is totally aids

[woven valley]

The 2 pc for thane is weak af sadly

[dense fulcrum]

dealing with pugs and overall

[woven valley]

Pugs are bad times for sure

[earnest canyon]

mopst of the time yeah, but sometimes they are funny....like people getting exceptionally angry about dumb shit or one dude constantly dying to the same mechanic

[split comet]

Can you spell reflect the interrogation from streets?

and not get stunned?

ive bladestormed it

[covert coyote]

no

BS and human racial only way for us

[dense fulcrum]

aight so i did a +14 with only 2p on thane

close about 7.2 m in overall

not bad i guess

i want the fking 4p xD

[earnest canyon]

just run like +6 or higher in M+ and catalyse....thats all I did.....

1 piece from vault, 1 piece from raid finder (lol)
2 x catalysed from M+

[chrome summit]

Was 2p already alot better then old set in m+ ?

[dense fulcrum]

had some issues

[sudden tusk]

the 2100 weps are insane man

[olive wraith]

Thane 2p does almost nothing for keys

Better to play slayer

[rose swift]

Quick question, how much % mastery do you guys have? I think my poor performance comes from having Haste mastery crit all equally high. I think i have lime 34% or so. Is that wildly not enough?

[modest condor]

the first thing to realise when wondering why your dps is low is that your secondary distribution has nothing to do with it

not the answer you were looking for but the answer you need

instead look at things like ilvl (also where that is, weapons matter a lot), tierset, cooldown usage, downtime in the rotation

[surreal token]

dude i've seen a 694 do 6.2m overall

[modest condor]

in case of m+ your tank heavily influences your dps as well

[surreal token]

wtf is that garbage

[rose swift]

I get that, but I tried asking for more detailed help and people havnt been able to help me out yet. In my raid today I had some downtime issues but otherwise I was slapping rampage every time I could and raging blow the rest of the time (and exe when WA pinged). I didn't feel like rotationally I was doing bad enough to grey parse single digits. Like on arms last tier I was comfortably in the high 80s minimum

The only thing that I can think of otherwise is mastery only giving me 30% bonus damage compared to say 50-60% extra

[olive wraith]

Did you drop a log?

Slamming rampage whenever you can already sounds like a rotational issue

[modest condor]

i mean your mastery being low doesnt mean that's just 20-30% dps disappearing, those stats are gonna be somewhere else, and generally having a "bad" secondary distribution will only be a couple % difference

[rose swift]

Yeah I put in the help channel in case anyone was about. I tried to use wowanalyzer as my guideline because it probably has decent general advice even if not perfect

[wicked gazelle]

my wow analyzer says i do so much wrong i would ignore it

[modest condor]

wowanalyzer is up to date

if it's telling you you're doing a lot wrong you might want to look into that

[dense jewel]

@rose swift that log doesn't show a warrior in it

[rose swift]

The main things for fury on wowanalyzer is rampage casts so I thought I'd try to focus on that

It does in the first 5 wipes or so

[rose swift]

I stepped out because the raid needed to cut dps and I was frankly underperforming imo

[olive wraith]

I don’t see any warrior in your log

[modest condor]

i dont have time or motivation to look through your whole log but right away i can already tell your opener is completely wrong

[surreal token]

@rose swift you linked a log that doesn't even have you in it

[modest condor]

bro are both of you just blind or what?

[dense jewel]

he is, it's in the wipes, he wasnt in the kills

[rose swift]

Yeah sorry I should have clarified, that's my bad

[surreal token]

are you gorek or kidalt

[rose swift]

Gorek

[modest condor]

the proper opener would be reck+ava > trinket+charge (yes you can trinket and charge at the same time) > ramp > spear > bladestorm

[wicked gazelle]

it gave me 7 different "major" issues with my mythic frac kill

[surreal token]

yeah you gotta sit down w/ the wowhead guide on fury and work from the boittom up

[rose swift]

Oh I didn't know i could channel while charging, that's cool

[surreal token]

the first thing you did was wrong

everything was you tumbling donw the hill afterwards

go on the dummy and do exactly what sil told you

after you've done that a dozen times

you can look at ur rotation

[modest condor]

what were those major issues?

[queen echo]

Honestly, muscle memory is the best thing to help you

[wicked gazelle]

not using rampage enough

wasting rage

[rose swift]

Surely the rotation itself would be more beneficial that just the opener?

[wicked gazelle]

execute usage

[surreal token]

jsut go do ur opener

[wicked gazelle]

not using thunderous roar xD

dispite it being a last resort spell on ST

as i say analyser always says stuffs wrong when you are playing correctly i swear man

[queen echo]

Opener is important because it puts you on the board. Get that wrong and you will play catchup to the ele shams and locks all day

[surreal token]

literally go do exactly what sil told you, multiple times

once you got it down, u can focus on the rest

fury has the easiest rotaiton

[rose swift]

That's why I'm so frustrated, the rotation seems so easy and somehow my fingers fucked it up

[queen echo]

I have a question on that. I just got 4pc myself. On slayer ST, do we still use the WA for when sudden death procs are buffed to use it or do we now just send sudden death as soon as it hits? If that makes sense

[rose swift]

Ill get to working on my opener

Thanks for the advice

[wicked gazelle]

take bt and tr off bars

[sharp wasp]

is arms better?

[dense jewel]

no

[modest condor]

you want to get the new WA from the fury faq, the conditions have changed slightly

[hardy vault]

why are the rotation from wowhead and maxroll is different ? what is the best ?

[modest condor]

you can also just ignore weakaura and press sudden death as soon as it procs for a minor (<0.5%) dps loss

idk what the maxroll guide says but the wowhead guide is usually a slightly dumbed down version of the rotation to keep it accessible for new players

[hardy vault]

okay, so the best is the raw apl right ?

[queen echo]

I'll take a look, thanks sil.

Been blasting in raid so haven't really worried about it much but still want to maximize what I'm capable of

[surreal token]

@edgy widget is the execute dmg from arms worth on forgeweaver?

I'm playing MT rn, and my execute dmg is worthless

[dense jewel]

@rose swift don't use cursed stone idol, it's not that good for fury, definately better trinkets to use. your uptime on major cd's is lower that it should be, make sure to press the cooldowns as soon as you can unless adds are coming soon or if another cooldown may line up better (saving bladestorm for add spawns or lining it up with a recklessness or avatar) , as well as the uptime on things like enrage or whirlwind. I'd be happy to stream opener and dps on a dummy so you have a visual

[smoky vale]

what

that trinket is good

xd

[rose swift]

Thank you for the feedback! I'm about to sleep, can I DM you and take you up on the offer tomorrow?

[shy atlas]

So with the Antenna nerf, would it still be a BiS trinket?

[sonic finch]

Agreed, cursed stone one of the best aoe trinks I've used so far

[dense jewel]

@rose swift sure thing

Antenna still looks good, though the slot might be more competitive now

[restive peak]

Yeah bro don't ever tell anyone a trinket isn't good when you don't actually know that

Cuz it's legit our best AOE trinket

For ST it's very mid, yes

[shy atlas]

Yeah cursed idol is insane lmao

[shy atlas]

@rose swift just FYI

[sonic finch]

Yeah, rofl. It beats everything else on aoe Sims for me. Huge trink.

[surreal token]

don't listen to that guy, stone idol is goated

[dense jewel]

the guy is using it 3 times in nearly 8 minutes, its not a good trinket then

[surreal token]

it's literally our only worthwhile 1m30 on use trinket

yeah he can play better

doesn't make trinket bad

[restive peak]

So he needs to play better

He asked where he needs to play better

The answer is "you need to use the trinket w ava"

Not "it's a bad trinket don't use it"

Like ??

"This guy doesnt press RB enough bro so like don't use RB just press BT" <-- this is the equivalent to what you just typed

[dense jewel]

I mean sure, but that trinket shouldnt be used in raid really, it's a m+ trinket at best, and in my opinion we need more balanced trinkets that are good outside of having 5+ targets

[sonic finch]

But you said the trinket wasn't that good. It is that good.

[dense jewel]

we do just fine on aoe without it

[restive peak]

What the game should have is irrelevant, it's 1 of the better AOE trinkets and TBH I think it has a place on several of the raid fights and def in M+

And saying it's not good isn't correct so

[sonic finch]

I do even better on aoe with it though.

[dense jewel]

fine I was wrong to say it isn't good, but my opinion is that the clunkyness and use case is worse than several more balanced trinkets that are good in single and multi-tartget

[restive peak]

That opinion is mathematically incorrect, sorry man. It's legit our best AOE trinket currently, and has a place in several of the AOE fights used appropriately

[dense jewel]

opinion are not incorrect lmao

[sonic finch]

I mean I was trying to tell him lol

[restive peak]

So when a fact exists

And you speak against it by saying "opinion
"

You're still wrong

But sure man

[dense jewel]

astral antenna sims higher in multi lmao

[fading sky]

Idol fucks

[restive peak]

So the 2nd of the top 2?

That's your argument?

[undone quartz]

i happened to snag a stone idol and an antenna this week am is that idol the move over egg? is that what im reading what now. it reminds me almost of a short puzzlebox

[restive peak]

Yes Mis

[surreal token]

just ignore him, he's making up hypotheticals at this point

[undone quartz]

tyvm

[dense jewel]

I'm sure yall are right, but im biased torwards not having to use a channled ability over a passive or instant use trinket

[restive peak]

Ok and that's whatever, you can play however you want, but don't start trying to flex to feel like you're superior to someone who comes asking for help with incorrect information

[sonic finch]

So am I but it's mathematically so ahead of my other aoe options that I simply must use it.

[young swan]

thats fine and dandy, but if you want to provide advice to others seeking answers, you should make sure to specify that you're voicing your opinion and not treat it as fact

[fading sky]

Antenna nerf where?

[young swan]

nothing wrong with saying "oh yeah this trinket is technically really good but if you arent using it properly u could get away with sacbrood" or something similar

[dense jewel]

That's fair, guess I should of checked how many times the dude used the trinket before saying it was bad lmao

[young swan]

all g, for next time

[shy atlas]

Wowhead

[fading sky]

so screams got better

hm

i dno why they bother with a nerf that small, accept that its an outlier go with it

rather buff others imho

[cobalt relic]

what are our go to bis trinkets

for m+ content

antenna and idol?

I have mythic track seaforium

[young swan]

yeha

[cobalt relic]

ty sir

i hope the trinket wont be a waste

[fading sky]

to bad it was nerfed into season 3 y

but seaforium is not bad no ?

[cobalt relic]

which

i hope not idk

it sims third

[fading sky]

id prob idol + sea until u get antenna

[cobalt relic]

in aoe

[fading sky]

Dno bout u but antenna even hc is rare

[molten wing]

will antenna still be good after the nerf

[cobalt relic]

it's knly 3%

only

not that significant no?

[young swan]

hardly worth acknowledging

[fading sky]

yeye

but why bother then

like just let it be

rather buff the worse ones

or nerf antenna 10%

oh ye and buff arms another 5 %

!

[edgy widget]

I mean yes, but probably not much better than Fury would do; you could maybe get some decent 2 target cleave during the intermission if your tanks cooperate with positioning

[edgy widget]

I think Thane/Colossus is fairly wasted now; the adds are still important to kill, but are much easier and you should be able to skip the last set fairly reliably now - would only spec it if multitarget damage was severely lacking for some reason

[surreal token]

yeah, i ended up killing as thane

it really is a terrible experience

even during final part, it's painful

no boss damage, just padding adds

[edgy widget]

Yeah, and as much as the adds need to die... they really don't need a hard focus anymore

[surreal token]

ours ended up needing the damage from me, so i guess not completely useless

[edgy widget]

I would just recommend Slayer in the future, Arms... could maybe have some chops if you get good 2 target and you can stack Jugg a little before the dam phase, though I think Fury probably does as good or better overall

[surreal token]

I'm hoping not to have to play MT on reclear

[edgy widget]

People will also start to adapt around their comp too, but Slayer still does pretty good dam to them as well

it'll only get easier from here though, next reset is the first +3% buff and turbo boost is probably a month away at best

[surreal token]

i was wondering if OF had potential

[fading sky]

arms slayer!

i have faith

also remove OF from fury give it to arms 😉

put it in tree instead of roar actually

that would fuck

( i know its same) but i like how OF feels vs roar

[surreal token]

they need to give us an actual cooldown

[edgy widget]

exclusively for adds, maybe, but don't think the ST loss is worth it
probably not even for adds tbh, since there are only 3/4 of them

[surreal token]

TR/Spear are worthless ST, but OP in AOE

[fading sky]

we cant both have Actual cooldowns AND high dmg outside cds though

[edgy widget]

OF isn't bad in AoE, but its real issue is that it's a lot of talent point investment which takes away single target capability in the process

• I'm fairly certain that its issues would be fixed if you just added a +5s Avatar proc to Titanic Rage, making it a strong enabler in ST and MT

[hybrid yew]

how does 4p Slayer compare to 4p Thane for M+? does 4p Slayer rotation change from bloodthirst to using raging blow to trigger reap?

[edgy widget]

Spear's issue is that you're taking talent points away from Cruel Strikes, which has finally become a decent talent for Slayer. Champion's Might still isn't bad, but Fury isn't that bursty, so it's trickier setup for little to no actual gain in the grand scheme of things

• the best fix for it is probably just raw amperage, but I'm still very much of the opinion that Spear should become an off-GCD utility tether higher up in the tree, and replaced by a Condemn wheel in the 3rd tier

[surreal token]

I never thought I'd miss Slayer fury

thank god forgeweaver is dead

[edgy widget]

And Roar's issue is kinda similar to OF - it's actually still pretty good in multitarget, but it's not very good in ST, which makes it hard to balance. Thunderous Words helps fix this for Arms, but Fury doesn't have enough bleed focus for it.

• I actually don't see this as much of a problem though; a talented CD that's mid in ST but good in AoE isn't actually a bad thing when you have another choice... except right now, we have two choices that do the same basic thing (in Spear and Roar)
• again, I think the real solution is changing Spear and putting something more ST focused in its place. Condemn is my preference, since being mostly single target could create a much more interesting contrast with Roar being more multitarget focused

[edgy widget]

w/ the 4p, Thane focuses on BT and TBlast, while Slayer focuses on RB and Execute (though it does still use BT fairly regularly in mass AoE)

[surreal token]

I think they need to flat out remove Spear or Roar

and give a single target option

I forgot its name, but it was like a CS for fury

It had like an orange icon

[edgy widget]

Siegebreaker, but that wouldn't fit into the class tree very well

[surreal token]

with spikes

RIGHT

honestly anything

i hate having 0 burst

[edgy widget]

tbh it doesn't fit into the Fury tree very well either; they tried it w/ the original DF trees

The problem with Siegebreaker is that it's basically pseudo-CS, and it makes Arms and Fury start to feel a lot more samey

understandably, some people may not appreciate Fury's damage profile, but homogenizing the specs doesn't make it any better

[slim pollen]

What about moving spear over and making it a choice node woth roar and ad a st option where spear is now. 😄

[edgy widget]

I think it's kinda redundant, and it would be difficult to create capstones that play nicely with both

[slim pollen]

Just have the capstones the same as now, but change based on the choice node

[olive abyss]

Does anyone have the weak aura that tells u when to execute on slayer fury?

[edgy widget]

so three choice nodes lol, that's a lot of work for fairly little reward

you'd be better off just creating a fourth branch

[hushed ocean]

i think roar and spear capstone should leave the class tree and be baked in spec tree

and made them more suited for every spec

[heavy galleon]

I Hope they changed things for Midnight

[hushed ocean]

class tree should be about passiv, defensives and utility

[edgy widget]

but again, the issue with Spear and Roar is that they do the same basic thing. They're both "aoe attack that makes some of your attacks a little stronger"

• Spear has a conceptual edge here in that it affects all damage vs just bleeds, but it's within a short window that it's functionally useless to Arms and even Fury doesn't take advantage of it very well
• Roar is much more practical, being a kind of "fire and forget" button. It's synergy with bleeds is also a lot more useful to Arms, and even Fury could hypothetically make use of it if we actually used the bleed talents more

[heavy galleon]

Specially for the cap target of fury, maybe in apex talent

[molten wing]

just bake the talents that buff roar and spear into the abilities themselves and make Roar/Spear a choice node

[edgy widget]

the only thing about Spear that's interesting, useful, or at all better than Roar is the tether.

• its damage is worse
• its special effect is worse
• its area of effect is worse
  so why jump through hoops trying to salvage something that by all objective measurements... just kind of sucks?

[quasi shell]

@edgy widget big fan man you are doing amazing work. I wanted to ask does the reap the storm proc chance from rb from the 4piece scale with how many targets you hitting or is it 20% fixed regardless of targets even if you have 10stacks of overwhelmed on all of them?

[heavy galleon]

Condemn > spear

[edgy widget]

Again, my preferred fix is to make Spear an off-GCD utility ability higher up in the talent tree

• you get to keep spear and roar
• it gets to focus on what's actually unique about it
• it finally gives Warriors some semi-unique utility, that's nice to have but not gamebreakingly powerful (this is also a pro)

then just replace it with some thing ST focused - again, my preference is Condemn, but a lot of different things could work

[waxen vale]

why dosnt roar disrupt. it should totally like blinding light

[slim pollen]

I think i messed up my explanation maybe, sorry.
Spear and roar in same choise node, with the follow-up talents be dynamic changing with the choise node. And then something like cobdemned in the placewhere spear is now.
If i just missunderstood you, then I'm sorry. Early day sleepy brain 😂

[heavy galleon]

Make spear as shocwave, just c/c

[edgy widget]

I know what you're saying, it just doesn't solve anything; it's a lot of bloat
there's a reason nobody uses spear, so why are we jumping through hoops trying to save it?

[mystic hill]

Just give me back Ancient Aftershock and im happy

[heavy galleon]

But execute is a bit low damage without being slayer no ?
@edgy widget

[edgy widget]

I feel like Ancient Aftershock is unlikely to make a return

[mystic hill]

Agree, busted as fuck but such a fun ability

[edgy widget]

good thing both Thane and Colossus do a lot more bleed damage than Slayer does, huh?

[mystic hill]

Would be crazy good even without the damage

[edgy widget]

That's even more reason to make it a utility tether; focus on what makes spear special instead of a half assed damaging cooldown and a half assed utility effect

[heavy galleon]

I mean having Condemn as Thane is not very good no ?

[pulsar heart]

AA was a very fun ability

and solid utility

[edgy widget]

then it's a good thing you can talent into Roar and buff your bleeds, isn't it?

[heavy galleon]

Yes

[slim pollen]

No clue, as I don't like it either, but i feel like i allways see people who do whenever it's discussed. So yeh, indeed just a poor attempt at keeping both as a choice please everyone 😂

[edgy widget]

Also without knowing what the Condemn capstones might do (because they literally don't exist), it's hard to say whether it whether it would be potentially good or not

[heavy galleon]

Buff CSHB and make him great 😁

[molten wing]

Also change Ravager so when you are playing fury it throws two weapons

[edgy widget]

trying to please everyone often results in pleasing nobody

[heavy galleon]

Bladestorm > ravager, ravager is tank ability

[heavy galleon]

It's soooooo true

[edgy widget]

a lot of people get wrapped up in their ideas of things - I'm sure some people out there really do love the idea of spear... but that's not enough reason to keep a crappy choice that most players will ignore at best, and will mislead players at worse

people also tend not to know what they want until they see it... turns out that if you focus on creating things that are fun, engaging, and useful, people will find that they enjoy it a lot more than they thought they might

[molten wing]

yeah true

[surreal token]

it was the onyl thing that made arms playable in S2 SL

[molten wing]

If anything i would love to have more room to be able to run Odyns Fury than Spear

[edgy widget]

So yeah, I don't really care for the "somebody likes spear" argument

FWIW, I don't even dislike Spear, I think it is a cool ability. It's just caught between two worlds of trying to be a damaging cooldown and a crowd control utilty... which just doesn't work very well

but we have a lot of damaging cooldowns, so I'd much rather focus on the thing that makes it unique. Imagine if Spear were higher up in the talent tree (like say where Int Shout is atm) and you could throw it off the GCD every 45-90s and hold all mobs inside your Bladestorm/Ravager/whatever for 10s

[olive wraith]

Kinda like the shockwave damage talent

[edgy widget]

and a lot like Ancient Aftershock, which not being a super special covenant ability wouldn't be nearly as strong as it was in Shadowlands (just like Spear is comparatively worse)

[night cedar]

One question Archi. If i use more dmg and duration for roar bleed like Noxiv talents have, should i use for ST? Or just only filler

[wicked gazelle]

Is spear still a dedge option even with the fact thunderous roar is lowest priority

or both of those nodes are just a last resort press

[edgy widget]

pretty sure Novix uses those talents for multitarget, not single, and my builds also recommend them

• you should still use Roar against multiple targets, it's only a filler v 1 target

[edgy widget]

Spear is effectively the same

• w/ just the base talent it's a low prio filler; all it does is deal a mediocre amount of damage
• w/ might, it's higher prio, but not really any better since you're dropping Exe dam for it

[night cedar]

Yea i was talking at bosses

Tyty

[edgy widget]

By dropping Cruel Strikes for Champion's Might, you're effectively losing Execute damage all the time in exchange for increasing all of your damage 7% of the time

and Fury ain't that bursty in single target, so 6s of damage amp every 90s isn't actually that strong, even during Bladestorm

[wicked gazelle]

only benefit of this i guess being its not a complete hinderence to dps if you run it for forgeweaver

and use spear simply as cc

[edgy widget]

I mean that is kind of a benefit, if you need to run Spear for Forgeweaver CC, you don't actually lose much damage

[wicked gazelle]

although roar gains value in aoe but realistically if that is the different on adds dying you got bigger issues haha

[edgy widget]

Well they both gain value in AoE

[iron kernel]

why all use Eradicating Arcanocore and this trinket simmed higher than Ticking Sack of Terror?

[edgy widget]

imagine if spear were an off GCD tether, you could use spear to hold mobs and still get your dam out of roar!

[edgy widget]

cause it's a good ST trinket

[wicked gazelle]

probs bc easily obtainable on myth right

[wicked gazelle]

like bis is ara + antenna right

[iron kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1389228046644416613/1409801104035938375/image.png?ex=68aeb318&is=68ad6198&hm=b024a2db79421abd9e72b81e550ad085a941b220c694a2df4289f6b7f737696f&

[wicked gazelle]

but unless you roll vault surely arcano is better than ara as myth vs hero

[iron kernel]

in all situations Sack of Terror - x2 damage

[edgy widget]

cool beans, what's your point?

[warm umbra]

I heard idol and antenna was better

[edgy widget]

you asked why people were using it, and I told you lol

[iron kernel]

why it simmed higher?

[edgy widget]

maybe you have stupid high mastery? idk

[wicked gazelle]

but terror doesnt have mainstat

[twilit pelican]

I think last boss trinket and antenna are bis

[warm crag]

why did you personally fudge the numbers to make it sim higher archimtiros, organe man of skyhold?

[iron kernel]

i sim both trinket with 16kk iterrations with all variable socket and back socket and ring enchants

[warm crag]

saying bis for these trinkets is very ignorant of their actual effects

antenna won't be "bis" on fractilus while screams won't be bis on soul hunters

[iron kernel]

but mainstat < secondary

and x2 damage Sack of Terror

[edgy widget]

it's screams + a toss up between arcanocore/antenna/maybe sack
antenna is annoying, sack has a ton of mastery which you generally gear beyond anyway, and arcanocore is a lot easier to get than either

[warm crag]

your sample size is literally 1 and to my knowledge sack and arcanocore have different stat package

[edgy widget]

netherprism might actually have some use on certain fights, but I'm still on the fence

[iron kernel]

yeah and i simulate all variants

[warm crag]

sims are accurate and to be trusted unless you have genuine proof smth is wrong you're just trying to find stuff

[iron kernel]

in all logs damage effect Sack of Terror do x2 damage

[warm crag]

like i don't even know what you were fighting in that log

all logs ????

[edgy widget]

and did you look at the sim logs?

[iron kernel]

i try it tomorrow

[edgy widget]

cause the sim also has ticking sack doing 4-5% of your dam while arcano is more like 2-3%

[iron kernel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tJ9gfKV1wbmyNpjz?fight=41&type=damage-done&source=14

this warr have both

[edgy widget]

as stated, there's a stat diff

• as your gear gets better, direct damage starts accounting for less
• stats scale your damage though, so as your gear gets better, they tend to matter more

[low folio]

talking about replacing spear for a more fun talent in the bottom row makes me wish blizzard would actually do that

[edgy widget]

you're looking at the direct damage which is only one aspect

[warm crag]

ye sim just has it double aswell

[edgy widget]

do them separate

then look at the average damage per hit w/ one vs the other
you'll see the difference

[iron kernel]

so u mean that ~5500 more strength can do more than 40kk damage?

[edgy widget]

it certainly can

how much more is ~5500 strength?

[iron kernel]

i mean diff stats

[edgy widget]

I know

I'm asking you, how much more is ~5500 strength

[iron kernel]

~1900 mastery and ~7400 strength

[warm crag]

wowie

that is a lot of mainstat

[edgy widget]

I'm saying that if you have 100k strength, +5500 is +5.5% strength

so yeah, that can add up

[iron kernel]

I just heard that Sack of Terror wrongly sims

thought maybe really actually she gives more dps

[edgy widget]

I'll give you a better example

• I have 100,511 strength, and my Bloodthirst hits for 625,068
• if I equip 704 Arcanocore, that goes up to 107,451 strength, and my Bloodthirst now hits for 656,742
  that's +6.9% increased strength, and +5% damage on my Bloodthirst (which is a rough analoge for all ability damage)

So which is better, 4% damage from Sack or 2% damage from Arcanocore and +5% damage to all your abilities?

[iron kernel]

This really seems like the truth.

[edgy widget]

that's a really low-level example ofc since we're not considering the 1,700 or w/e mastery from sack, but you get the idea

[iron kernel]

yeah, thx

wanted to dispel the idea that this trinket is being sims incorrectly

[edgy widget]

I think 1700 mastery is worth ~3.4% mastery? so in actuality it's more like 4% sack damage and 3% ability damage vs 2% arcanocore damage vs 5% ability damage

which is why they tend to sim pretty closely in the first place, rather than a massive difference between them

[stoic echo]

[iron kernel]

yeah, for me it sims very close

but i have myth arcanocore so i can up it

[low folio]

im on an alt that is way lower ilvl atm , do we really have almost 100k strength atm 700+ ilvl?

[edgy widget]

but also, Tazavesh drops a lot of shit and streets is a poopy key, so I'd rather just get arcanocore anyway

if you happen to get one from your vault, sure go ahead and take it - it's not bad by any means

[low folio]

dam we do

[iron kernel]

I really don't like that you have to use Cursed Stone Idol :D

for aoe

[low folio]

that makes math easier

[edgy widget]

I mean you don't have to, it's strong, but it's also annoying

[heavy dock]

it used to have a small knockback effect when it was introduced in mop, we should have that back

[edgy widget]

you can get by very well with Pacemaker or Sacbrood

its kind of like Trecherous Transmitter from Nerub-ar - it may be strong, but if you fuck it up 1/10 times, it's actually 10% weaker (on average) than it looks

[stoic echo]

Don't play arms then

[jovial dagger]

is arcanocore sim bait? it does at best 0.01% dmg in keys

[edgy widget]

well it's not a particularly good multitarget trinket in the first place

but scroll up and read the previous conversation

[iron kernel]

i know thats bloodmallet, but ....

[heavy dock]

its doing like 1% for me, but i have an lfr version lol

[jovial dagger]

thank u

[edgy widget]

yeah, now knock off 10% for every time you fuck it up

things are only as good as you can practically use them

if it's too annoying to be practical, don't use it

[wicked gazelle]

No way stone idol is that good

[icy topaz]

How viable is spear instead of roar?

[wicked gazelle]

i refuse a crit trinket like that on fury

i simply refuse

[edgy widget]

I mean those bar charts exacerbate the differences, though crit actually is a good multitarget stat

[jovial dagger]

i just got idol and i m more of a fan of using on use trinkets then having 2 passive trinkets (have sacbrood already) , so i ll go for idol and sacbrood as i m more interested in m+ then raid

[iron kernel]

i have all trinkets from m+

[heavy dock]

using idol in melee feels so ass ngl

charging in while using it feel better but.. man

[wicked gazelle]

yeah crit is very good for cleave as we pressing bt and cshb right?

[jovial dagger]

just macro it in charge then macro it in avatar

[wicked gazelle]

i dunno if that talent is a deciding factor but it used to be massive

[heavy dock]

i tried the latter but it feels like its having a hard time pressing itself

like it has extra gcd

on top of normal gcd lol

[stoic echo]

Check aoe

[sour frigate]

Crit means ur abilities do more damage from time to time

[stoic echo]

Cursed idol on arms in aoe situations is by far the best

[iron kernel]

its 5 target

[stoic echo]

On arms?

[heavy dock]

but arms also has crit valued higher than fury no

[sour frigate]

And?

[heavy dock]

well crit is best stat for arms, and worse for fury.. it just feels worse not having a mastery on use

[sour frigate]

[stoic echo]

That's from wowhead arms

[sour frigate]

Just play the game

[stoic echo]

True

[heavy dock]

i will but im replacing idol asap when i get a comparable trinket fkin hate using it lol

[stoic echo]

Just get invites to +15 pug keys

[jovial dagger]

[sour frigate]

I cant finish a 14 resi just fuck pug

3600+ team just dying from air

[stoic echo]

I finished 14 resi yesterday

Halls took super long

But I have a whopping 0 invites to +15

[sour frigate]

Halls feel hard its true

Have a 15 streets on me but cba to even try

[stoic echo]

Give it to me then

Mine now yoink

[hardy vault]

what is the realistic chance of missing orbs on raid ? 10% ? 20% ? for simming

[edgy widget]

Depends on the fight, some are obviously much better than others

[hardy vault]

on soulbinder for example, or forgeweaver

[edgy widget]

I’m sure it’s a number

[wicked gazelle]

Havent gone higher than 10 yet

hyped for the prot push

i got the haste vers neck from soulbinder mythic and the 1h from first boss

[hardy vault]

yeah, simming with 0% chance of missing is unrealistic i think

[wicked gazelle]

im gonna be gaming

[coarse nest]

I need screams!! Hollyy!!

[gusty compass]

The nerf on Antenna, does that change trinket set up for us? Do we go Dimensius trinket and Ara'kara/Eradacting?

[potent thicket]

how's critcake's slayer talent compared to sloboz?

[hardy bluff]

loboz gaps him hard

[small tinsel]

Hey all created a post in the help section after some advise about my stat priority

Hopefully that’s the best place to post it but if any of you fury chads get chance to take a look I’d massively appreciate any advise.

I new to wow with last season being my first but I feel like im a million miles away with my stats compared to other similar fury warriors

[flat river]

https://youtube.com/shorts/27ZC_kv81hk?si=cbLxq4k_k_5uH9B3

NOOO

I WANT MY MILLION DAMAGE

I DON'T WANT A STAT SQUISH

[low folio]

i mean i looked at your post just now, im not sure whats super wrong with your stats, i know its a lot of haste possibly but one neck change drops that haste drastically. for me a heavy vers neck simd better than a mastery haste neck

[earnest canyon]

They are kinda silly already....im surprised they didnt do it already

[flat river]

I like silly numbers

[low folio]

they probably wanted to go as long as they could before needing to stat squish again

[earnest canyon]

bosses with multiple billions of health and floating combat text longer than a phone number

[flat river]

Why don't they make it stay till we reach legion numbers

Like 1000 ilvl

Also why squish to ilvl 100

Too low

[low folio]

to not have to do another one for a while

its a big amount of time to have to stat squish the whole game

[bitter palm]

current numbers are way past legion no

[earnest canyon]

feels like it

[gleaming siren]

My brother in christ we're beyond Legion numbers

Legion ST was like

3 mill tops?

[bitter palm]

ye we are double

[warm crag]

crying about stuff that doesnt matter olympic champion

[earnest canyon]

I did wonder back in the days of wotlk, are they just going to keep adding new rows in the talent trees.....by now you would have to scroll 2 pages to see all the talents

each xpac I mean

[coarse nest]

What a time to be alive

[gleaming siren]

Real life Lobos spotted

[plucky ice]

that was like 10 years ago bro now im old

[gleaming siren]

@clever belfry

[warm crag]

Lobos

[bitter palm]

goat

[hollow leaf]

anyone know what the ilvl you get from a midnight prepurchase boost is

might boost a pala

because cba healing

[potent thicket]

sorry, i'm not familiar with the new ..generation words, what's that?

[clever belfry]

anda57 was geht

[gleaming siren]

645

I think

[hollow leaf]

loboz is a player, gaps means he outperforms him significantly

[clever belfry]

new generation word is rough man

[hollow leaf]

you know like there's a big gap between the two

[potent thicket]

Thanks ! So stick with loboz one, i tried crit's one a bit but the server lagged hard x_x

[low folio]

where would i find a loboz dungeon talent build

[coarse nest]

Crits build lags instead of arms

[hollow leaf]

I played with loboz a bit in dragonflight and the dude destroyed me in overall

[potent thicket]

saw the arms buffs and i so wanna go back..but the gear

[hollow leaf]

because I was playing the "meta" dungeon build and he played odyn's and the pack died before I got to do any significant damage

[coarse nest]

Loboz knows the tech

[clever belfry]

lobuzzy

[stoic echo]

It's not that important, arms just like fury can use every stat to some degree

It's not as bad as with other specs

[hollow leaf]

depends, colossus really wants more crit for m+

won't be unplayable by any means though

[uncut pine]

So mates, what ist the diference in Overall damage between 2 Sets and 4 Sets Tier?

[bitter palm]

imagine

cowfarmers and loboz

[sour frigate]

Its huge

[hollow leaf]

approximately 19%

[bitter palm]

science based lifting vs ego based lifting

[warm crag]

loberatur @gleaming siren @clever belfry

[clever belfry]

u cant say that

[gleaming siren]

Why ping anda twice

[flat river]

I DONT CARE

I WANT TO DEAL 20 MILLION OVERALL

[clever belfry]

silence scmehwodididu

[gleaming siren]

Play better

[hollow leaf]

you probably can as assa in some dungeons in end of season gear

[stoic echo]

If they fix Assa bugs

[flat river]

[stoic echo]

Cause rn they deal 15-20% less damage

[clever belfry]

🐱

[hollow leaf]

They deal this damage WITH a 15-20% loss??

[stoic echo]

This week they're bugged, yes

[hollow leaf]

oh this week

[uncut pine]

Every season i have Loboz applying to my Key 😅

[hollow leaf]

ok

[stoic echo]

Last week they weren't

As in before last Wednesday

[hollow leaf]

Loboz a g

[warm crag]

add a 0 to ur monitor with a post it or smth

u are now doing 70 mil overalls

[clever belfry]

and u better accept him every ssn

[flat river]

[uncut pine]

I dont

[flat river]

banned

[bitter palm]

why

[clever belfry]

hope u deplete then

bring the player 😎

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[stoic echo]

Me when you when me when

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-cat-monch-cat-monch-spinfal-gif-19376414

[warm crag]

you are depleted mentally gg

[bitter palm]

hope u deplete

[stoic echo]

Sorry explain it to me like I'm not a warrior player

[bitter palm]

for not inviting loboz

[clever belfry]

educationally subnormal

[night cedar]

Who is loboz

[flat river]

zug zug dabu loktar ogar blood and thunder victory or death

[uncut pine]

One time i checked the Raider io from him, he timed 300+ Runs between 10-12

[clever belfry]

yeah

bro just plays game

[uncut pine]

He is insane

[clever belfry]

arent we all

[flat river]

[uncut pine]

Anyone has the discord from him? I would Like to speak to the Legend

[clever belfry]

as a decliner u dont deserve this right

[bitter palm]

s3 df loboz tindral sageswift

[clever belfry]

s3 df loboz gnarlroot u mean

100% parse
(52% boss parse)

[stoic echo]

Oktar logar

[bitter palm]

tindral is even funnier but its hc unfort

[stoic echo]

Me unga bunga

[clever belfry]

small men need to die

[stoic echo]

Hi

[clever belfry]

are u sm*ll

[stoic echo]

I'm 6'1 , aka small because 6'4 men exist

I'm sm*all

[clever belfry]

stop using shit measurements thanks

[stoic echo]

I'm german

[clever belfry]

yeah so u use

THE METRIC SYSTEM

scare the americans

[stoic echo]

Mad?

[clever belfry]

yeah?

problem?

[stoic echo]

No?

You?

[clever belfry]

kabumm

[bitter palm]

balls

[stoic echo]

I'm literally 2 centimetres tall and 50 cm wide

And you bully me

[lapis oxide]

Is it just me or does fury with tier in mythic plus with mountain thane feels so bad with kinda waiting on thundenr blast procs and spamming thunder blast? I went from 5M overall without tier to 10+ ilvls with tier also to 5M overall average.

Or does it take some tricks/getting used to?

[stoic echo]

Hey that's a private picture of me

Don't just share that wtf

[clever belfry]

i own you

[stoic echo]

You have meow as discord tag

You own jack shit

[clever belfry]

mad

[stoic echo]

Giga mad

Sadly I don't have an angry glorp emote here

[bitter palm]

ure not playing correctly

if ur overall didnt double

with 4p

[chrome plover]

the only trick is spam the shit out of tblast lol...

[bitter palm]

thunder blast > bt > rampage

[bitter palm]

ye legit thats all there is to thane

spam tb more

[lapis oxide]

god but the fact that its proc base tho..

I'll try to spam more TB i geuss and less rampage. Mabye I just need to get used to it

[bitter palm]

more tb more bt

if u dont like thane just play slayer

[lapis oxide]

But...

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-thunder-gif-12003010808141082270

[hushed ocean]

sometimes TB doesn't want to proc, especially where u're in middle of a big juicy pack

and when 3 adds left, this mf starts proccing

[coarse nest]

First pull streets moment when you hold Ava

[hushed ocean]

this pack....

[plush maple]

https://tenor.com/view/tornado-tornado-spin-spin-spinning-gif-25429284

But this

[hushed ocean]

u think : "i'm gonna hold for the next pack"...everyone is holding, pack takes ages

[coarse nest]

Tangles are the best concept ever created, losing 1m dps swapping is sick

[chrome plover]

i am the sender

full send on cd

[hushed ocean]

i started to send to

[stoic echo]

Always send unless its obviously the wrong call

Like 10% mob hp left and you use a avatar

[chrome plover]

3 mobs with 100m health left

[coarse nest]

Need optimal damage for 2nd pull with mini boss and lust

Gotta hold Ava but send <45s

[hushed ocean]

i never hold anymore, just like with my wife

NEVER HOLD

[stoic echo]

[earnest canyon]

Ur wife holds me

[lapis oxide]

Spear or Roar?

[jovial dagger]

spear for me

[stoic echo]

Weird, cause she also held me last night

[south lintel]

Can't wait to loot my mythic track 2h weap today

[earnest canyon]

That feeling when you get a 1hsnder cos you didn't pick arms spec

[jovial dagger]

always lootspec on arms

[earnest canyon]

I didn't know this when I came back to warrior after like a decade or so

[final vapor]

Lol I learnes

Today

Loot arms play arms

[jovial dagger]

ye , lootspec on arms as arms cant ever get 1 handers , fury can due to the talent

[final vapor]

My friends are calling me you going zug zug I dont care

[flat river]

smooth +13 priory timed

how is my damage 👀

[warm crag]

bad

you got beaten

[bitter palm]

bad

[flat river]

[buoyant cape]

bad

[flat river]

[flat river]

[heavy dock]

Sussy spear

[coarse nest]

You rampage a lot!

[flat river]

cause I'm on a rampage

[coarse nest]

Bloodthirst cranks!

And procs TB

[flat river]

yes but

AM

👀

I don't like overcapping rage

for all the haters

[coarse nest]

[flat river]

also i beat the frost dk

huge

[weary ice]

How big is going from 2pc to 4pc as thane for m+

[flat river]

like 20%+

well

20% give or take

[weary ice]

Ok reading the bonus I thought it seemed huge

[flat river]

that is huge

last season i think it was like a 3% buff

[weary ice]

Oh yeah

[flat river]

our tier set

[weary ice]

20 is massive lol

[dense elbow]

I was about to just slap Gala down for hyping himself for beating lame and blind ducklings. But, instead I will just say, 'Nice, you did good buddy.'

[warm crag]

gala noob 57

[flat river]

[flat river]

I'm a chef, I never said I was any good though 👀

@dense elbow thats even worse

xd

[dense elbow]

[heavy dock]

Am i reading this right that we are dropping to 100 ilvl in midnight

[coarse nest]

Bro I can’t wait to do 500dps

Lfg

[heavy dock]

Legit fk sake xd

[coarse nest]

I really like when dps is 4 digits and Crits are 5 personally

Shadowlands season 1 probably the best numbers I think iirc

[warm crag]

Shadowlands season 1 also coincidentally the best state warrior was ever in in pve

[jovial dagger]

back at u brother

[warm crag]

you get 99s for timing a 10

[coarse nest]

Bro my damage in gambit sucks!

Washed and bad

[dense elbow]

Sorry, that is my bad, I play a lot of Gamba

[coarse nest]

Inflating the logs!!!

[dense elbow]

I wonder if the 100 is a paid premium member only feature

[flat river]

[weary ice]

Showing dmg numbers and useless debuffs on nameplates is so much useless information for me

I don’t see the point of dmg numbers

[coarse nest]

I agree when the numbers are as big as they are now yeah

I have them disabled right now too

Nothing exciting about 10million vs 20 million

It’s too inflated

But 3000 vs 15,000 that’s pretty exciting to see

You know you cranked that target

[weary ice]

It’s just so much period. I don’t see a good case for clogging up half my screen to get juiced up over a crit

I mean some of the best players in the world play with a ton of useless info on their screen. I’m not saying it’s a game changer

Just for me I don’t get it

[tepid cedar]

@coarse nest pink brudddeeerrss

[coarse nest]

You’re 7

I’m 78

Man you crank!

I think my pug tanks pull size are just weak man

[tepid cedar]

Dude I want to go get a crazy gamb parse

[coarse nest]

I do the enrage>tb>bt>ramp strat

It just doesn’t crank 9m overall

Need bigger pulls

[tepid cedar]

About to run of then to out and swap lol

Tp *

[dense elbow]

Apo pays warcraftlogs I see

[coarse nest]

Btw I’ve been meaning to ask you apoc

On bosses ST, you swap back to Enrage > ramp 115 rage > BT > RB

Yeah?

[tepid cedar]

Haha yea I usually log almost everything to see where I can improve personally

On thane?

[wicked gazelle]

arnt m+ parses just based on the key timer?

[dense elbow]

This be the way, log the good and the bad

[tepid cedar]

Speed basically.

[coarse nest]

Thane yeah

[tepid cedar]

But you can look at actual dps done , and spikes etc

[tepid cedar]

Yea

[coarse nest]

Hmm ok definitely doing it right then

[dense elbow]

You an sort by any to all metrics, be it speed, points, dps, HPS, whatever is you want compared to a set

[coarse nest]

Just need bigger pulls

[tepid cedar]

Tb stil highest prio in all though

[wicked gazelle]

i mean dps metrics dont work for alot of keys unless you actively log them

[tepid cedar]

Most ppl that push high keys are logging

[dense elbow]

Ya should always log em, if ya wonder what was going on

[tepid cedar]

And you can check actual dps

Not just look at the rankings

[dense elbow]

Helped my mate sort out his BM, as we could check events

[wicked gazelle]

So doesnt really effect until a few months in right

as alot of high key pushers are gearing first

[tepid cedar]

Rank 1 might done 10b damage

Ur rank 10 might have done 12

[coarse nest]

Logging key is always valuable, you can directly compare your output in a “15” to the highest damage in a “15” for example

[tepid cedar]

^^^

[dense elbow]

The data is useful currently I am confused

[tepid cedar]

It’s not just about rank

[coarse nest]

Pull size and comp matters alot but it helps dissect what you may be able to improve on

[tepid cedar]

But total output and you can see where ppl are loosing alot of dps and try to fix it by saving your cds etc

So you don’t have a drought in a pull cause pushing high keys you never wanna go in dry

Or fully dry

[wicked gazelle]

I just roll meta when i wanna push kek

rn prot is looking decent may try that, otherwise go something else

[coarse nest]

Prot war doing 5-6m overall

[wicked gazelle]

yeah prot is nuts

[tepid cedar]

Prot wil be good in some keys. I just don’t know how it will do in some high magic keys

[wicked gazelle]

in a couple weeks ill give a bit of a push ago

i tried tanking last season as dh

didnt do very high keys

capped out at like 17s

couple 18s

went high on mage tho got a few 20s in

but started very late, 17s were giga free at the end of the season with how powerful we were wish i tried a few warrior keys whilst i could

[dense elbow]

My Pwarrior only do 3-4m ish it doesn't make sense, I got a weapon and a shield and everything

Sure they are heroic track from last season, but still ya know?

[coarse nest]

I haven’t played Prot war since season 1 of DF so I have no idea what’s going on

[wicked gazelle]

press thunderclap

pew pew

[coarse nest]

Might have to pick up shield for fun soon

Once I have a spare craft

[sour frigate]

Skill issue tbh

[dense elbow]

Nuh uh