fury

[lapis shadow]

Ele 100% using OBR

[bitter palm]

@warm crag new wa gonna be huge

[winter shoal]

Uhm I was told that other classes using OBR would beat a fury dps

[wheat oyster]

There are some specimens this season

[upper trellis]

yeah i thought warrior dps in general was dogshit terrible this tier?

[wheat oyster]

Had a tank do the 2nd gambit boss frontals on m+ group in a +10 not realising it knocks back ads

[lapis shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-i-lied-gif-21836345

[winter shoal]

idk if you're being serious or just yapping but we're pretty good but not great in both raid and M+

[mossy stag]

poor arms

0 deeps

[upper trellis]

half yappin half serious, the whole past week my old guild was goin on and on how warrior was dogshit and didnt deserve a spot in the guild.

[winter shoal]

Maybe your warrior

[lapis shadow]

Your guild is talking about arms

[winter shoal]

I was piping in raid last night tho

[smoky vale]

my warrior

[lapis shadow]

Prot is good
Fury is good

[smoky vale]

bowl

[lapis shadow]

Why would t you bring a warrior

[smoky vale]

how can play in gambit with ele sin

[winter shoal]

Play slayer and carry boss dps

[upper trellis]

true but i was above almost ALL the ppl nay-sayin warrior so i guess it says more about them than me

[restive peak]

I'm legit just gonna stay slayer til I find it holds anything back bro

I'm telling you, this is the way this tier

[bitter palm]

:mhm:

slayer fucks

[smoky vale]

you already are holding back by not being prot

[upper trellis]

slayer fuckin pumps af

[bitter palm]

bro icl

prot got boring very fast

[restive peak]

Prot kekw

[thick arrow]

yall going slayer in m+ ?

[earnest canyon]

never

[quiet breach]

the green "reshii crystal fragments" item, is that the persist through death augment runes that we get? do they work in manaforge omega?

[winter shoal]

Before you have 4p probably, afterwards it's just a tradeoff of single target (slayer) vs aoe (thane)

[lapis shadow]

Thane all the way in m+

I love that shit

[thick arrow]

just did one with 2 set thane and had no single target

[winter shoal]

2pc thane is kinda stinky

[thick arrow]

compared to slayer

[upper trellis]

do you still have 2piece of the old? i have 2 of each rn and its not bad

[desert atlas]

ionizing strikes is insane ST, but thats only with 4pc and the thunder blast resets to proc it

slayer will always beat thane on t

st

[winter shoal]

I don't remember the numbers off the top of my head but I think slayer is a bit over 10% ahead on single target in M+ spec vs thane

[desert atlas]

regardless

[thick arrow]

was 4 set from last and was pumping tho

[bitter palm]

did anyone check if prot ionizing nerfs affect fury

cause in spell data they do

[winter shoal]

Think Fishy did and it was fine

[bitter palm]

thank god

its blizz after all u never know their next move

[winter shoal]

I don't know if the spell data change makes it apply to sims or not

[lapis shadow]

Their next move will be to nerf fury

[winter shoal]

Idk how that shit works under the hood

[quiet breach]

yo can u link ur new execute WA

ima put yours and bigbowl's side by side

i deleted it from b4

[bitter palm]

working on it atm

[slim coral]

its not

[winter shoal]

Someone post the screenshot

Killed bosses easily etc

[winter shoal]

Thank you gio

[spare steppe]

first floodgate and got a heroic pacemaker

[slim coral]

[spare steppe]

I NEEDED THIS BAZED

[karmic crow]

For dimensius, is it worth grabbing cleave? or best to just ST and let bladestorm carry me?

[forest ginkgo]

Just look at warcraft logs and what other players are running

[olive wraith]

These aren’t the street nerfs we wanted

[sullen dove]

Not nuch significant cleave

Spattering of like 2 target at the most i think

‘Maybe heroic is diff

[undone flower]

don't you want to pad on the walls in p2 ???

after a survey we decided to remove half bosses from wcl

[olive wraith]

Even if it’s only 2t we still want we talents I’m pretty sure

[undone flower]

It depends if the extra target live more than 1 gcd

Or the duo target is cringe, like cauldron

[south lintel]

That's the trick to gdt way more ranpages

[desert zodiac]

for thane fury are you supposed to you bloodthirst on cd?

[winter shoal]

With 4pc, BT is your highest prio filler but it's still below cds and rampage

as thane

[desert zodiac]

so BT>raging blow

[winter shoal]

As thane, with 4pc

[desert zodiac]

i have 4pc

[olive wraith]

Wowhead prio says bt>ramp

[static bison]

do we suck on m+ or we just are tier dependant?

[undone flower]

S2 fury sucks yes

[dense elbow]

Other specs are just better, and by a bit. Then you got some that are worse.

Tier will help ya a lot tho, just don't get too much hope

[rocky locust]

https://wago.io/r8u4tHLRQ
Why does this say "11d"?

[brittle crow]

you have 11d to press execute

[rocky locust]

That can't be right...

[winter shoal]

Cone is fixing it dw

Allegedly

He's rogue main now (real)

[rocky locust]

Cone? Is he in here?

[gilded pawn]

Ya

Allegedly

[winter shoal]

Yes but I'm not gonna ping him bc that's annoying

[restive peak]

I actually really like when it bugs and says that

No fix pls

[slim coral]

W

[rocky locust]

@edgy widget https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps#rotation-2
According to this and to simplify, Slayer presses Rampage >115 Rage and Mountain Thane presses Rampage >100 Rage. Is having different Rage thresholds intentional? Or should they both be >115 Rage? Or should they both be >100 Rage?

[olive wraith]

If it’s listed I’m pretty sure it’s intentional

[sturdy wagon]

I'm just saying it would be neat if the raid dropped an item that changed how Bladestorm looks for the tier.

[winter shoal]

They are meant to be different

That's just what the robot said was best for either spec

[shell jackal]

i was a lucky gamer today

[hidden stirrup]

Give me a glyph that makes Bladestorm pick up random pieces of trash while spinning

mini tornado

[calm ermine]

Sim is telling me to remove both embelishs for ilvl? Anyone getting the same results?

Even remove the old 4pcs...

[bitter palm]

check new update

it was bugged

[olive wraith]

How much ilvl

S2 tier isn’t that good

And embels are really small

[rocky locust]

Okay we'll see...

[calm ermine]

697/701

[olive wraith]

Seems about right

[sturdy wagon]

That coulda dropped last raid! 🥹

[undone flower]

I started with 2 embellished 681, I have only 1 now, it seems about right

[hidden stirrup]

*Shoulda dropped last raid

[proper swallow]

What crafted items do we want this season wep and wrist still? 👌

[calm swallow]

I lost every single tier roll tonight... /wrists

[modest condor]

sadge

same thing happened to me

[slate mica]

when you guys are simming for mythic plus are you using hecticaddcleave or patchwerk 5 targets 2 mins?

[sinful spoke]

nexus king

i kinda cranked

cloak and sack went brazy

[glad hill]

4p?

[olive wraith]

[sinful spoke]

yes

[earnest canyon]

Are you the GM? If so did you kick the feral?

[sinful spoke]

no and no thats my homie

my guildies r goated

[zinc python]

How good is screams of the forgotten sky for ST really?

[winter shoal]

Very

[earnest canyon]

Kitty be cranking

[feral ivy]

damn plexus big dmg needed (mythic)

[zinc python]

Okay yea pretty good

U got champion track?

[wicked cloak]

Why is it that we are set on spamming RB after BS before Rampage - i know its for Slaughtering Strikes to amp the damage. Should we do this all the time, or do we not really play around Slaughtering normally? Also would u drop enrage to get 5 stacks after BS?

[echo rapids]

What’s your gear like?

[hollow leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-1927193140186872022

[olive wraith]

Dayum still rocking s2 weps too

[winter shoal]

Only with brutal finish

SS + BF + ava if you can is very powerful

[quiet breach]

What are yalls thoughts on thane on forgeweaver? with 4 pc

[echo rapids]

Wow and still 684 weapons

[winter shoal]

Massive grief

[feral ivy]

that would be HORRID lol with thane in forgeweaver

[wicked cloak]

Got it so we only really play around Slaughter Strikes after BS - so normally we would just get in as many RB's before enrage drops then Rampage? Also my second part of that question do we always go to 5 with SS stacks with Brutal Finish? even if enrage has dropped?

[undone flower]

The goal is to kill the big dude, if you imagine something, it died in S1, we are not him anymore

[winter shoal]

Both of those questions are answered in the wowhead guide

[karmic crow]

is it ever worth pressing roar?

[winter shoal]

You fill up to 115 rage if possible

[karmic crow]

can i take it off my bars and still do well

[winter shoal]

You don't RB if unenraged

[winter shoal]

In aoe yes, in st sometimes

[karmic crow]

even with 2P?

[winter shoal]

Yes

[karmic crow]

ok

[undone flower]

Basically, I press on AoE, and in ST : I hold roar until AoE happens

I play exclusively with 1 point roar and no capstones

[grave pike]

just hit 2k rio, arent u supposed to get 1 extra voidsplint for converting tier set??

[undone flower]

Yes in your bag

[grave pike]

i am stupid.. thanks, its late 😄

[undone flower]

Not really, it can be confusing to get it in your bag

[grave pike]

so hyped for 4set so i went straight to converter and saw only 1 😅 time to blast thunder

[fringe scroll]

So after some playing around i finally figured out that i am supposed to spam TB as prio and never overcap. Things are looking alright now

[chilly fractal]

Stonks

[wicked cloak]

Appreciate that and have read- just want to clear up hence asking here. A last one if i may i can see Rampage is higher than RB in Prio if at >115 Rage. So even if enrage has like half the time left you still just Rampage over RB, even if u could fit a RB in before it drops?

[undone flower]

Yeah I can have 4 set but I don’t have a second hero piece for cata

It drives me nuts

[grave pike]

yea i thought the same so i stopped myself, only champ. gnite lads and gl with loot

[olive wraith]

Ramp does a few things too aside from damage

Can reset rb, and our one spender for AM

[winter shoal]

Yes if you are at 116 rage and 2s left in enrage, you would rampage instead of RB

[feral ivy]

anyone kill plexus mythic?

[winter shoal]

lots of people

[wicked cloak]

Got it - i can see a SD Proc would be the only thing that would cause me to not Rampage in that time - thanks a lot

[feral ivy]

oh damn did yall kill last boss on heroic yet?

[undone flower]

I did few pulls of salad / p3 things to fix

[feral ivy]

dimensius heroic vs plexus mythic which is easier?

[chilly fractal]

I may not have any tier gear… but I at least have 2 710 weapons

Thank you Saldbar boss

[undone flower]

The last boss heroic is always harder than couple first in mythic

[winter shoal]

Idk I think h dimensius isn't that hard

Very tank reliant though

in op2

p2

[undone flower]

Yes but even Gallywix hc is just… harder than cauldron and vexie mythic

(First week)

[feral ivy]

plexus mythic is tad harder than recently expan 1st bosses

[grave pike]

quick question, u prob got it alot but, what are the 2 most optimal trinkets for mostly m+?

got pacemaker and stone idol hero, switch one with ara kara?

[undone flower]

I didn’t see him yet this week, from raid ptr he seemed regular first boss, maybe he got lot of hp

Like loomithar hc smh

[chilly fractal]

Don’t you gotta deal with adds in the mazes

[undone flower]

2

[winter shoal]

Has a bunch of hp and he lowkey has some hands

At the gear we have rn

[undone flower]

Wednesday we felt we were missing gear when loomithar lasted almost 6 min

And on azaz

But yesterday : obliterated azaz in 1 pull, barely seeing last phase

[feral ivy]

1.5b shield

[atomic yarrow]

any of you feels like fury is a bit weak? i mean VERY?

[undone flower]

In raid ? No

[restive peak]

Absolutely nowhere do I feel weak

[undone flower]

I can’t say about m+, my groups are too varying skill

So sometime i absolutely destroy them

And 1 key someone is 2 m more overall than me

And I don’t have 4 set

[atomic yarrow]

4set is like huge. but still i feel comparably weak to dh or rogue or any other spec basically

[undone flower]

idk but damn I destroy anyone on every bosses in dungeons, slayer W

[atomic yarrow]

oh same XD but tank outputs on aoe packs feels rough man

[undone flower]

I did 1 dungeon with 2 set slayer I got from raid, it is even more true

[brittle crow]

crying sobbing throwing up

i want to be in the cool kids club

but i dont have tier yet

[undone flower]

Proud of my forgeweaver / no set

[atomic yarrow]

sexy parse gg

[olive wraith]

Why are you doing tank damage on aoe packs

[undone flower]

In 1 single key I did tank damage at a time of a pull, not at the end of the pack tho

[atomic yarrow]

ask blizzard really

[olive wraith]

No I don’t understand

I’m never doing tank damage

[atomic yarrow]

then your tank isn't doing any damage at all xD

[undone flower]

You didn’t see a guardian flying to the moon for 10 sec ?

[lusty jungle]

Prot pala is doing huge dps with their new set

[hollow leaf]

if they have 4pc they fuck

[undone flower]

I did on the burst of first pull of flood

[hollow leaf]

if they don't they don't

[atomic yarrow]

Havent been blessed with prot since im tanking most of my keys xd

[brittle crow]

how much dps am i SUPPOSED to do on a soulbinder pull

[hollow leaf]

that's a hard question to answer

[olive wraith]

Peak damage doesn’t mean much if you just drop after the first 10 seconds

[brittle crow]

on our kill pull i ended at 4.2m with old 4set

[undone flower]

I did 5.5m with old 4 set

[hollow leaf]

around same

there's not much to it, send CDs on pull, you have BS back for first adds, after that BS kinda just lines up with all the adds

[brittle crow]

the pull was super scuffed and lasted forever but i feel like i couldve done more

somehow

yea BS mostly lined up

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zYQ43HMykdLR21XF?fight=last&type=damage-done

[undone flower]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/L1gWRMzqY923dTxv?fight=53&type=damage-done

[brittle crow]

oop

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zYQ43HMykdLR21XF?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=40

here

[hollow leaf]

only time I hold CDs is when I wait for the giga add spawns

[undone flower]

If you want my kill

Bladestorm aligns itself with adds

I don’t hold reck

[hollow leaf]

same

[brittle crow]

yea i sent reck on CD unless adds were up in line, 5 sec and avatar was down

then i held it

[undone flower]

Because reck duration is enough to cover 1 bladestorm in the adds

[brittle crow]

look at my log and judge me harshly

i wanna be good

[undone flower]

So you can reck and just bladestorm at the end before it expires on the adds

[brittle crow]

the avatar isnt tho

oh

u mean in general

i was holding reck for like 5 sec because i want avatar for the adds

[undone flower]

Yes, I play like a bm with bestial wrath basically

[hollow leaf]

first off since you're running old 4pc you should still be running vc

so you two are running different builds

[brittle crow]

nobody told me that! 😔

[undone flower]

Yes I run Gallywix talents

[vast trail]

thunderblast 8 target when?

[hollow leaf]

what

[undone flower]

And mugzee for ST

[silent gazelle]

EXCELLENT WORK EXCELLENT WORK

[hollow leaf]

gz bud

tbf just the difference between 2/2vc and deft experience shouldn't be that huge here

I notice he has way higher cpm on bt

[undone flower]

Yes, I press BT on cd when AoE / like S2 basically

[hollow leaf]

yeah apl says to bt whenever at > 3 targets

for me the double adds died in the window of one bladestorm so I didn't even have time to bt

only time I personally pressed by on cd was during the mass spawn

[undone flower]

Yes it was >3 targets, but I do on 3, not on 2 tho

[hollow leaf]

ye

[undone flower]

My thought is : I gain more if I proc reap, so I gamble

[hollow leaf]

it's not gambling if you win

[undone flower]

Since it is a 5 gcd sim I would need to know which buttons we want to press on those adds

In my mind reap is a good gamble on this

[hollow leaf]

reap does a lot of damage over the fight if you just force it yeah

I mean you had basically the same BS timings

hmm

[undone flower]

And 3 targets is enough odds so every 2 BT will proc reap, so : I bladestorm, BT, few rb and BT again

In good enough AoE, I always just BT at the end of my bladestorm if I had a nice enrage reset

[hollow leaf]

biggest disparity I notice between yours and his log is he presses way more rb

[wicked cloak]

If my enrage drops but my next GCD is gonna be rampage is it major impactful as it enrages before damage? Or should i basically aim to chain enrage so it never drops even for like a brief moment?

[desert mason]

im so sad bros. we did our first kill of Dimensius normal tonight, but our logger was late and wasnt there for the kill. Details gives me 2.63M dps on the kill, and we didnt log it. sad times.

[undone flower]

(I wouldn’t take myself as an example, so look a third dude maybe)

[hollow leaf]

rampage applies enrage before dealing its damage

[hollow leaf]

gz on the kill

[wicked cloak]

I know its what i typed, so im going to assume its not impactful?

[hollow leaf]

I don't understand your question

[undone flower]

The apl does what you describe

[hollow leaf]

if your next gcd is rampage it doesn't matter if you're enraged or not

there's no impact

[wicked cloak]

🫡

[undone flower]

If you want to see the rampage for enrage line

You do « lose » enrage if you do this

[quiet breach]

thoughts on thane on soul hunters?

[olive wraith]

Yes

[hollow leaf]

your best choice

[quiet breach]

i parsed 96 with slayer but I'm thinking thane might be better cuz of crackling thunder and how spread the bosses are alot of the time

with 4 PC at least

[shrewd sequoia]

Where can I find the sudden death WA? checked uiweakaurasaddons and couldnt find

[undone flower]

I had the same thought when I checked some logs before doing it in hc, but still went slayer because no 4 set

I would have tried thane if I had it

[winter shoal]

Yeah slayer for sure without 4pc

Thane with

[pulsar quest]

i feel like a loser without tier jesus

im doing such piss damage on bosses

[undone flower]

Really weird because I do the opposite, I’m god in ST, and a loser (until 30-45 sec) of big pulls

The first pull of flood is the most depressing I had (even it was not that bad when it ended)

[atomic yarrow]

When you see the dk pulling 25m and you're there with your squabby 7m xD

[modest condor]

for me it's the pull after the first boss in priory

floodgate your dps looks bad compared to other specs but at least it doesnt matter there's only 1 prio target anyway

priory you also look bad but that pull has like 5 prio targets or something

[smoky vale]

@hallow sphinx

[undone flower]

I never had a tank who didn’t do : just first paladins and the middle melee shitters

After first boss priory

[modest condor]

i played with a premade so my tank wasnt scared and doing baby pulls

[undone flower]

Im playing with a premade too but I switch on the fly prot/fury, I hate tanking priory

[atomic yarrow]

Did you try the right side yet?

[undone flower]

WHY

[hallow sphinx]

oh wow

[undone flower]

why 2 tried right side today WHO TOLD THEM

[atomic yarrow]

I dunno it felt a Lot harder xD

[undone flower]

Yes it is obviously harder

[storm rune]

right routing feels so much better

and it's a cakewalk compared to S2

[atomic yarrow]

Well boss seems easier 100%

[undone flower]

The only thing I don’t’ like to left is if I try to skip the patrol hyenas right at the top of the stairs

But the rest is no way near doing the forge master and having the caster on the boss

[storm rune]

I like pulling that pack into the mages to the right

[undone flower]

That’s what I usually do, sometime I just skip

[storm rune]

what is it you're finding difficult about the forgemaster? The fan the flames aoe?

[modest condor]

left side got buffed so makes sense that people are trying right side

but i dont believe in right side

[undone flower]

Doing % with him

[modest condor]

doesnt that make you fight the caster on the first boss?

[undone flower]

Not him alone

[undone flower]

Yes and fire swirlies + boss jump on someone is scary

[modest condor]

i thought they made it so that cant overlap

[undone flower]

Maybe I had it close casts and it didn’t overlap, and it’s just my mind

I did a lot of dungeons tbf

[modest condor]

i mean it could totally possible that it's just made up

or even if they did say it it wouldnt be the first time they said something and then didnt do it

[undone flower]

We will see, but I don’t believe on doing lots of trash on top of the forgemaster

[storm rune]

I'm doing 1 priest and a bunch of footmen

which kinda works favourably since you wind up kiting the forgemaster throughout and the shields just kinda stand there

[restive peak]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8Cv18fjVZZwNV4W2RvNa9U we made it bois

[fiery thorn]

the wowhead m+ talent import button and preview are both different builds

[mint badge]

should i slam 2p with omnitoken this week?

[restive peak]

Save for when it's 4

[mint badge]

its very depressing tho looking at meters

[restive peak]

Nature of the best early, you get lucky or you're meh for 1 week

Won't matter next week

[mint badge]

ty for sanity check

[restive peak]

❤️

[atomic yarrow]

Save it otherwise vault will pickthat same slot :p

[winter shoal]

Gaming

[restive peak]

He's huge bud

[winter shoal]

Nobody else is allowed to kill this boss tonight

Thanks

None of my 100s from last night locked in sadeg

[echo rapids]

How’s dimensius on heroic?

[winter shoal]

Fun fight, bit much RP and dragonriding for my taste but the mechanics are fun

CD timing with the damage amp is wack

Probably my 2nd or 3rd favorite fight in the raid behind Salhadaar and maybe Forgeweaver

[echo rapids]

It doesn’t matter in the long run but having the fight start with you dropped on an add is annoying

[winter shoal]

Just walk out and charge boss

It's cringe but wcyd

[echo rapids]

Yeah

[storm rune]

Salhadaar definitely my favourite this tier

The dragonriding loses it's flavour after a few too many attempts on dimensius but felt a lot like the first time flying into the paladin zone for the first time

[spare steppe]

Forgeweaver is hard

[storm rune]

Soulrender felt pretty insane during adds

err soulbinder

[sullen dove]

def cooler dragonriding segment than tindral

[storm rune]

idk what was going on in that fight but we were seeing a good 30-40m average DTPS once all the caskets opened

[winter shoal]

That fight and a few others are very reliant on tanks

And we have at least one extremely good tank

[spare steppe]

Our tanks have been solid, our dps isn’t high enough :/

so we’re behind on the checks

[bitter mural]

Heya trying to help a friend Learn War/Fury, We progged some heroic Forgeweaver tn. Is there anything obvious missing in talents/rotation? Im not super familiar with it to begin with. Any help is greatly appreciated. - Addrax

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VAxKzm2cJTRqGpZY?type=damage-done&fight=41

[storm rune]

womp womp ahh DPS 🙁

[winter shoal]

Try taking a look at wowanalyzer dot com for some quick rotation checks

[sullen dove]

talents seem fine

he could maybe try thane for marginally more aoe but prolly not worth much at 2set

[storm rune]

Gotta press more buttons

56cpm a little low

[winter shoal]

Thane is an insane grief on that fight

[restive peak]

1st boss HOA no trash

on a 12

As slayer @winter shoal

[winter shoal]

I was about to talk shit saying you only did 4.5 overall

[bitter mural]

fair ty ty will link him the wowanalysis

[winter shoal]

4.5 on a single target is kinda nutty

[restive peak]

Yeah lol

[winter shoal]

What da brew doin tho

[quiet breach]

2pc 2 PC?

[olive wraith]

Did a loom pug. Raid lead called no one is doing soaks on p2

[restive peak]

4pce

[olive wraith]

Didn’t need to soak until 3rd cone

[restive peak]

Just a pug IDK lol

I gotta sleep I'll do thane shit tm

[quiet breach]

I hope fractilus adds many more mechanics in mythic

that shit was a joke on heroic

fully 100% weakauraed

[restive peak]

Ye it's bad

[hardy shuttle]

Thane shit has been fun with 4p

[winter shoal]

Only thing saving Fractillus will be a tight dps check

And we know we'll have turbo boost gear again

So the dps check will only ever be relevant on prog kills

[storm rune]

I still don't understand Fractillus

[restive peak]

I hope he's atleast tightly tuned for the race/top 100 or so

[summer quail]

Ughh can't believe that shit. Why blizzard why...

[median marsh]

how should i use the crafting?
first craft wep with which embelishment?

[young swan]

ascension

dont craft until next week

[woven valley]

i already got my crest ready for next week

so that way i wouldnt pull a dumb and use too many gilded lol

[slim coral]

W

[quiet breach]

haven't spent any gilded

[surreal token]

can someone link me the update execute WA

[winter shoal]

Cones: https://wago.io/r8u4tHLRQ
Mine: https://wago.io/ZTGWfik5P

[median marsh]

and the week after - the wrist that goes with it fore double bonus?\

[bitter mural]

are you supposed to be holding Bloodthirst until guarenteed crit? any reason why one war would be doubling the amount of Thirsts. (right has 4set)

[surreal token]

thanks baby boy, what's the diffy?

[winter shoal]

With 4pc BT is very low prio, but it becomes high prio again on 6+ targets

[young swan]

ye

[slim coral]

which 4 set

[median marsh]

tyvm sir

[slim coral]

if it is the new 4 set you completely ignore bt

[bitter mural]

right is 4 set. but its 6+ targets bc of the orbs

[winter shoal]

This is forgeweaver

[storm rune]

they only have 2set for new tier, no 2set for old tier

[winter shoal]

AOE (6+ target) prio with new 4pc is exe conditions > ramp > BT > RB (while maintaining ww stacks ofc)

[slim coral]

guys he just told me right is 4 set

I'm confused rn

[slim coral]

still targets tho right?

*6

[winter shoal]

Yeah 6+ targets

|active_enemies>=6 at the end of the highlighted line

[bitter mural]

Forgeweaver orbs go up to like 8 targets at 2 moments i believe.

so thats prolly why

[winter shoal]

Tbh it probably doesn't make THAT much of a difference

There's probably some fundamental gameplay errors happening beyond the relative prio of BT vs RB

[storm rune]

they were doing a compare to another fury war

[gleaming siren]

How the hell would you ever arrive at the other half of that line

I'm sussing

Brutal Finish up, less than 115 rage and no RB charges?

[winter shoal]

The VC and BF one?

Idk Sarri cooked it to work around some edge case the sim ran into

You'd have to ask him

[median marsh]

ty sir!

[winter shoal]

Also that's above RB so charge count wouldn't matter

[gleaming siren]

I assume there's a RB line for the BF conditional above it

But maybe I assume wrong

[winter shoal]

Oh

yes you are correct

I've been awake far too long

And I'm not even that smart to begin with

[gleaming siren]

Hence me being very confused how you would ever drop to that priority

[winter shoal]

Let me see if I can find Sarri's explanation

[gleaming siren]

Being <115 rage out of Bladestorm is already rare but yea

I'm interested

[winter shoal]

"IIRC that was a line from back when VC made BT actually worth pressing, but due to how high prio Brutal Finish made RB, that was to force it to keep using BT
To not waste the crit chance on it"
I think this is what he was referring to

So sounds like it can probably get removed idk

Let me check

Very powerful condition

[woven valley]

The amount of dps lost in that condition has me shook

I will never be the same

[winter shoal]

That line literally never gets hit in a single target sim

Me when sim variance

[chilly fractal]

Dexter Resurrection took me away from WoW this evening… no regrets

Shits peak btw

[tame gorge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RDXFYdvkj8Bmr3wh?fight=8&type=damage-done&source=6

This parse, so so ass, for a 2 pc set. What the hell

Forgot I died in this attempt. Silly me

[sullen dove]

7:30 sentinel

[tame gorge]

How are people doing 3.6 on heroic loom? Isn’t that a s in game target fight?

[sullen dove]

imagine u meant to say st or something but yea i mean 3.6 not that much

esp with tier

[young swan]

2nd half of the fight has 25% damage amp the whole time

[sullen dove]

and that

33 i think

bout the only good thing about it

[tame gorge]

The damage amp is permanent?

[molten wing]

yeah

[hardy shuttle]

Once she's on the ground yeah

[young swan]

oh yeah ur right

[tame gorge]

I suppose that contextualizes it a bit. So is the okay to hold 2nd lot until cooldowns aliign?

[young swan]

just send shit on cd

[tame gorge]

Is the play.

[molten wing]

after a few months , she is gonna die in one BL after 50%

[hardy shuttle]

Our cds are too bad to ever care about holding

[tame gorge]

Sorry. Damn phone

[hardy shuttle]

Raging blow is our cd

[tame gorge]

Also meant 2nd damage potion

[sullen dove]

idk can just kinda gauge kill time

if boss dies before 6 minutes or like a bitafter 6:30 and you dont lose a set of cds sure

[chilly fractal]

If you are in P1 longer than 5 minutes you ain’t killing it

[sullen dove]

think he just means holding cds for 2nd pot

[eternal sundial]

Or use MRT and the time to Die thing

[sullen dove]

which is holding for 30s

[eternal sundial]

Rlly rlly useful

[sullen dove]

will be after lust sometime in p2

[young swan]

hold 2nd pot for cds

bladestorm is never longer than 30s away

reck like 40

[chilly fractal]

I’m not near my computer and I still Bladestorm every 30 seconds or so

It’s a state of mind

[tame gorge]

Another follow up question, I think my opener could use some work. I see a ton of other fury warriors peak higher than me.

[chilly fractal]

Report them for RMT

Are you getting a rampage immediately when you charge in?

[hardy shuttle]

The halls trinket makes me cry in the opener

[tame gorge]

Reck, avatar, charge, damage roar, BS, rampage, RB, rampage, Rb repeat until 3 marks plus SD or bloodthirsty stacks

[chilly fractal]

Rampage before BS?

[hardy shuttle]

Damage probably was a typo for rampage

[tame gorge]

Replace damage with rampage

Auto correct

[young swan]

dont roar in the opener

[chilly fractal]

Roar sucks

[hardy shuttle]

You should spam RBs after the bladestorm. And I think you only ever roar if youre out of RB charges and low on rage

[tame gorge]

We don’t rawr in the opener ?

[young swan]

only press that button if you literally cant press anything else or theres multiple targets

[chilly fractal]

Like if you removed the talent point you prolly wouldn’t notice

[hardy shuttle]

Fury capstones🤏

[chilly fractal]

Wonder if they’ll give us AA back one day

[tame gorge]

Wait, we use roar as a filler? I’ve been using that as a damage cd to align with avatar and reck

News to me. Glad I’m here

[young swan]

hope not

[chilly fractal]

Alcoholics Anonymous or Ancient Aftershock

I’ll take either

[storm rune]

Opener afaik is Throw > Reck > Charge > Ava > Ramp > BS > Spam RB > Ramp yeah?

[sullen dove]

want shadowlands spear back

[quartz patio]

can someone explain slayer BT use, guides say to use it only if 6+ overwise use as filler b4 WW but i see people pressing it way often

[tame gorge]

Do we spam RB in the opener even if we’re called at rage?

Capped

[sullen dove]

ppl likely to press it often without new tier

if they do it with new tier on st then they wrong

or unlucky

[quartz patio]

2pc or 4pc

[wild bone]

How many dungeons farmed for the 2h is acceptable before just playing something else? I’m up to 8 eco/floods and currently still using season 2 weapons 🙃

[chilly fractal]

Best part of Kyrian was Hammer of Genesis and Bron Cena just terrorizing keys by busting in and knocking shit all over the place

[molten wing]

Bron Cena was a G

[chilly fractal]

There is no real number, but you’re crafting 1 next week anyway

[storm rune]

Yeah you're stacking Slaughtering Strikes for a big Brutal Finish Rampage

[crude ridge]

Spam while enraged. Spend rage on rampage when enrage falls off.

if out of RB charges send the ramp

[chilly fractal]

I’d take Bron Cena over Brann Fraudbeard anyday

[storm rune]

And heroic throw before anything so you're actually in combat and don't lose the rage gen from reck

[surreal token]

@winter shoal do we prio BT on 2-target cleave?

feels like the wrong thign to do

[crude ridge]

with new tier?

[surreal token]

ye

[crude ridge]

the only time you should be sending BT is on 6+ targets and that's if you're out of RB charges so you can continue to fish for reaps

otherwise you almost never hit BT unless you have nothing else to hit

BT is like next to last in terms of prio

[surreal token]

so on 2-targets we just keep on sending rb?

that feels right

doing nexus king rn

definitely had more success w/ rb spam on the dragon+boss

does simming 2-target patchwerk give a proper prio list?

ok yeah it does tell me to prio rb

[olive wraith]

8 isn’t a lot

40% chance of loot. 15% chance to drop wep

[oblique thistle]

its easy, just rip a hero weapon from the timewalking quest

🙂

[tame gorge]

Is this the general rule after the opener too? Send RB until enrage falls off, then rampage?

[soft otter]

Might be a skill issue, but I got a cloak 🙂

[oblique thistle]

yup sounds like a skill issue bud

[tame gorge]

Does it apply after every bladestorm?

[tame yarrow]

Damn it feels weird to ignore this with T-Set:

[storm rune]

yes, so long as you're enraged you spam RB until you're out of procs before sending your next ramp

fury does not respect rage cap whatsoever this tier

[tame gorge]

holy crap

I was playing it wrong the whole time

Will go into heroic sentiel pug and report back with findings

[storm rune]

You'll even send exe at rage cap so long as you meet the conditionals

[low folio]

Can cata charges make your boots into the reshi boots?

[frail sedge]

@tame gorge don't worry, I have been too lol that's why we here

Like the raid boots?

[low folio]

Ya

[frail sedge]

No lol

[low folio]

Boo

Guess I won't he getting the boots then

[frail sedge]

Losing hope 4 days in lol

[low folio]

I don't like to raid so I'm unlikely to.bother pugging a heroic raid just to get the boots

[rare flower]

quick question if i got it right.. 4 piece = Mounthain in M+ right? otherwise slayer?

[covert coyote]

yes

[crude ridge]

I send execute most of the time even without meeting conditionals

it's just soooo good

like on our H Dime kill I sent the shit out of execute

[storm rune]

dear god

80% crit rate on execute?

[rocky sequoia]

do you guys go mountain thain for forgeweaver

[crude ridge]

I did not but it is probably the play

[rugged raven]

depends on how much add damage u have I assume, like if the adds are just getting slammed rip slayer imo for that boss prio damage

[edgy widget]

the line is contingent on having Vicious Contempt talented, which S3 build does not

[edgy widget]

just pressing it whenever SD lights up is about 0.5% worse in sims
in practice, you can actually game slightly high Bladestorm uptime that way - so it can be convenient for trying to edge out just a little bit more CDR for alignment

[fossil cloak]

so rb>Rampage unless you need enrage? with tier

[crude ridge]

I know but I don't care lol

I just like pressing execute again

[edgy widget]

You misunderstand; what I'm saying is "doing that is not a significant loss" and in some cases can even be advantageous

[crude ridge]

ye

[olive wraith]

Ramp is higher prio with 115 rage as well

[edgy widget]

Yeah I pared down all the various Rampage lines into just "if no enrage" and ">115 rage"

and of course the very low priority fallback

[dense sedge]

Guys on a boss pull when do we pre pot is it as we charge in

[crude ridge]

I do it on charge

some do it with CDs

[fossil cloak]

oh nice

[edgy widget]

Sarri, Silm, and Bowl did most of the original optimization for Fury, but it was pretty convoluted jumping between a whole bunch of different Exe/RB/Ramp priorities; the current apl is a whole lot simpler and easier to follow without using an addon or wa to just tell you what to press

[crude ridge]

I don't think the difference is all that much as we're talking seconds

[crude ridge]

tell them blizzard folk to buff Dimes hitbox

shits wack

biggest boss with the smallest hitbox lol

[edgy widget]

I actually did today after we did it on H

but a lot of people already beat me to it

[crude ridge]

also how was you doing your opener on H dime? I kinda had it down but still weird

as it's hard to charge the boss

I have to like land step back then get a charge in

[young swan]

i think its really cringe i can get parried on a boss i cant stand behind

[crude ridge]

but not always the smoothest thing

that as well

[edgy widget]

I back out and charge

[molten wing]

i think its really cringe i can get parried on a boss i cant stand behind

fixed it

[crude ridge]

yeah I kinda wish wee landed a bit closer to the edge so we can just charge right as we land

[cobalt relic]

true

just gotta get my 4p man

doing these 10s with 2p is cancer

[edgy widget]

2p slayer actually goes decently hard

[crude ridge]

the prio dmg is pretty good for keys with 2pc 2pc

[edgy widget]

its not broken by any means, but it does fairly well overall, and the specs that reliably beat it on AoE tend to suck at boss damage

like outlaw gaps, but it does zero boss dam

[sullen dove]

yea how good is slayer 2pc man

[cobalt relic]

i only have new 2pc

[crude ridge]

and you slap bosses with 2pc in keys

[edgy widget]

its very solid

[sullen dove]

ik

[cobalt relic]

but do we use new talent tree or old one?

[sullen dove]

i owned him with 0set when he had 2 in a key

[cobalt relic]

i have been using old slayer talent

[edgy widget]

does good on trash too, you don't get huge burst, but it comes very frequently

[sullen dove]

(no cape equipped from him tho lole)

[olive wraith]

30sec bladestorm kinda goes hard

[edgy widget]

w/ just 2p run S2 Slayer talents (drop H&S for Unbridled) and prio:

• Exe w/ SD (you can delay this to 2-3 stacks of MFE for bigger Executes, but sending immediately on SD will get you more overall Bladestorm CDR)
• Rampage >115
• BT vs 3+ targets
• RB

You can instead swap H&S/Unbridled and Swift Strikes to run Odyn's Fury (and/or DoI for Titanic Rage) if you want to - it's usually ~5-6% of my overall, which isn't amazing, but I enjoy it, and the sim diff is negligible at higher target counts

[smoky vale]

im bad

[edgy widget]

I mostly just like TR though

[olive wraith]

You doing powerful enrage?

[edgy widget]

I honestly don't remember

Powerful is probably "better" if you have higher haste, I don't think it matters at all

[crude ridge]

10 Ara last boss just 2pc 2pc slayer

[olive wraith]

Sexy st

[turbid bay]

yeah 2pc slayer blasts atm

[edgy widget]

yeah it has really good boss dam, especially considering how heavily weighted toward AoE others are

[turbid bay]

yeah we really shine on single target or burst target fights like the first boss of ecodome

feels nice

and the change on prio to SD feels good

[olive wraith]

Also feel huge on big momma

[turbid bay]

oh yeah

its nuts the numbers you can get on that now

[edgy widget]

this was a fairly clean 12 Halls

trash dam isn't record breaking, but it's not bad

[edgy widget]

and boss dam is quite respectable

[turbid bay]

ahh ya beat me

yeah for sure

not sure what the druid was on in my 12 but he is doing some dmg

still chasing that 4p

[edgy widget]

I actually think I was doing that key with 2+1 piece instead of 2+2

[turbid bay]

[edgy widget]

not that the undermine 2p is really important

[turbid bay]

na looking to break it

[edgy widget]

I think it simmed like 0.5% in favor of keeping it, so if you have enough ilvl diff you could prob just run 2+0

[turbid bay]

yeah i got some 701 shoulders and stuff gotta sim and see if i can replace

need some weapons still 691

no luck

[crude ridge]

it's so nice having tier that isn't shit/boring like last season

[turbid bay]

yeah its way better this season

so refreshing

[edgy widget]

We're done with raid this week, so I'm not going to bother catalyzing into 4p until I crack open the next vault, but Slayer has been pretty refreshing and it's definitely not meta, but I'm not upset about its performance at all so far

[turbid bay]

na and honestly i like the change enjoying it while i can before full switch to thane

and fury doesnt feel like dead weight atm like you said our st is nearly unmatched in dungeons atm

[crude ridge]

I probably also could've held my charges for vault since we full cleared but i wasn't sure if we would and I was impatient

[edgy widget]

I'm curious to see how much viability there'll be to sticking with Slayer for better ST damage, since so many of the stronger M+ specs seem to be weighted very far towards AoE

though I do believe Thane should still be better overall, it at least gives you a little better justification to play Slayer if you want to

[turbid bay]

yeah we lose a fair bit of ST from thane its like 11% or something?

[crude ridge]

idk thane was still slapping with 4pc in my keys for ST

[edgy widget]

raid performance is pretty mid, but we already knew that so

[raven fossil]

I just feel like I'm playing wrong whatever I do. Especially keys. Not sure what to prio as Slayer without set. People say BT at 6+ but also only if there' no RB charges (there's always RB charges), but watching Critcake he sends it very often

[cobalt relic]

this till we get 4p alrighty ty

[edgy widget]

I mean it's not bad no, just Slayer is higher

[edgy widget]

that's with 2p, yes

[crude ridge]

do you have 2pc 2pc, no S3 tier or 4pc?

[cobalt relic]

I was thinking bt vs 6+ targets

[raven fossil]

I only have 2p season 3

[crude ridge]

then you would still play like you did in S2 just with better execute dmg for bosses

you don't change anything till 4pc

[turbid bay]

you just send SD more often

in 2p

[edgy oasis]

anyone can link me the execute weakaura?

[turbid bay]

sec see if i got it

[crude ridge]

Honestly following that execute WA isn't really needed

[turbid bay]

https://wago.io/r8u4tHLRQ/2

its not needed, but it is pretty good and follows the right conditions

to notify you

[crude ridge]

It's easier to just send the SD procs as following the conditions isn't much gain if any

I think Archy said it was like a 0.5% difference?

[turbid bay]

0.5 is 0.5 at the end of the day

if you want to min max your dmg is good

[edgy oasis]

someone posted an update to it in this chat?

[cobalt relic]

which dungeon to target so I can cata (chest,shoulder)

is there any dung that has both as loot

[crude ridge]

I'll take the 0.5% loss to avoid 1 more WA lol

[edgy oasis]

fair enough 🙂

[edgy widget]

the main advantage I've found is that sending SD asap results in more frequent Bladestorms; basically you end up using Execute a little more and RB a little less - it's been nice for M+ and lining up AoE on certain fights

I'm fairly confident I could tweak the APL enough to make it a gain, or at least minimize the loss further, but I don't really care to spend a whole lot of time on it

[crude ridge]

yeah I don't think it's worth wracking brains on it

[sudden tusk]

halls of atonement

[crude ridge]

just send that shit and call it a day

[cobalt relic]

tyty

max ilvl is 7+ right

or 10s for loot

[edgy widget]

not at all - people really over estimate how insignificant a >1% sim difference is

[turbid bay]

na 10s

[cobalt relic]

aighty

[sudden tusk]

10 for max ilvl 7 or 6 fr hero track

[edgy widget]

I believe 7 is hero track, 10 is max drop/vault ilvl, and 12 is max crests

[cobalt relic]

just need hero track ig for cata

guess Ill have to spam halls then

signet drops there as well

which is bis for us rivht

right

[edgy widget]

basically you save a few crests by prioritizing 10s

[crude ridge]

6 is hero track

[night cedar]

7

[edgy widget]

not technically bis, but it's decent

[night cedar]

7 drop and 6 vault

I guess

[crude ridge]

7 is gilded 6 starts hero track

[edgy widget]

ok well whichever

[cobalt relic]

matters little iguess

but nice to have?

is the raid ring better then

[night cedar]

Ok u win

[edgy widget]

just do the highest you can reliably complete, don't even need to necessarily time

to save some crests

[crude ridge]

sorry I'm not trying to be a smart ass just clarifying

[cobalt relic]

what do we think is the boe mythic helm gon cost first week

[turbid bay]

uhh yeh

[cobalt relic]

approximately

[crude ridge]

to much

[cobalt relic]

10mil?

[turbid bay]

probs going to be expensive af

[cobalt relic]

or higher

[crude ridge]

I think my guild sold a champ boe for like 3mil

so hero is probably 5 to 7

[cobalt relic]

so 10ish

prolly

[crude ridge]

prolly

[cobalt relic]

but It's random stats right

so I have to flip it

if I intend to buy

[crude ridge]

no idea

[cobalt relic]

sadge

[edgy widget]

yes, all raid boes are random stats

you can even get single stat w/ double budget

[digital arrow]

mythic boe is not boe the first few weeks tho

[cobalt relic]

wdym @digital arrow

[digital arrow]

they made them souldbound on loot

for like 2-3 weeks

atleast last tier

[cobalt relic]

WTF

so I have to wait

3 weeks?

[edgy widget]

only the Mythic ones

N/H are still BoE, Myth will swap over sometime after the race

[digital arrow]

ye

[cobalt relic]

yeah was referring to mythic

sadge

[edgy oasis]

Guys, my logs were very bad yesterday. I am behind on gear. Cloak etc. but is there something i am obviously doing wrong? I dont think so. im usually in the 90s! would appreicate someones time to talk about it! https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/90424432

[cobalt relic]

are there any other boes that are good for us btw

or is helmet the only piece

[digital arrow]

well only the number wont tell us much

[edgy widget]

I mean they're random stats, so any of them with good stats are good

[digital arrow]

but usually do more dps

[brittle crow]

just how bad is last season prot stats for fury? i felt like i rotationed pretty good in raid night but my parse numbers are so low

i dont think gear alone would make me parse bad tho

[edgy widget]

helm is good, ring is good, boot is obviously surpassed by the cantrip
I believe there's a chest which you could use if you don't take tier in that slot

[cobalt relic]

does it matter little wether we go hero as 1p or chest

tier piece

[edgy widget]

make the 4p as quick as possible

[cobalt relic]

aighty

[edgy widget]

worry about min/maxing stats later

[cobalt relic]

ty sir

[digital arrow]

u have infinite stat budget anyways

we prolly start stacking verse

[edgy widget]

at this gear level, stat weights converge pretty sharply, so unless your gear is very skewed, it's doesn't make a huge diff

usually just results in gemming/enchanting a little diff

[cobalt relic]

I see

[crude ridge]

I'd say that's pretty normal considering most will have the cloak and M+ gear

not having either will put you behind

alot will have 2pc as well

[edgy oasis]

i have provided link x i am looking myself. Looks like on pull im slower at using CD etc...but...70 parse?

[edgy widget]

don't forget there's a #1347646810457636974 channel - it sometimes gets forgotten since its under the General category, but it's a lot better organized for this sort of thing

given that its a completely new raid tier, I would expect a certain amount of "still figuring it out" but the people who do answer are usually pretty helpful

[cobalt relic]

alright posted

[edgy widget]

I've thought about trying to create some kind of perk system to incentivize people who are frequently helpful, but have yet to find a good way to track that kind of thing other than by hand

[neat coral]

Can't do a rating system for the people who asked for help and they can react with restricted emotes?

[edgy widget]

yes, but again, there's not a good way to track that other than by hand

[neat coral]

Ah fair fair, silly discord

[edgy widget]

someone could maybe make a bot for it, but its increasing amounts of effort/overhead for something not all that important

but its somethin that's been bouncing around my brainpan in a "how can we incentivize people to be helpful" kinda way

[neat coral]

100% because we have some very helpful people and what them to be recognised for their effort. It's a hard one though

[robust basin]

Man, fury M+ dmg feels Garbo. My burst is hitting 12 - 13 m max on big packs. Granted it’s thane. But seeing DK and shadow priest hit 20m on the same pull.

[crude ridge]

I mean not surprised. We're target capped so we're not going to do crazy numbers in AoE.

Where we shine is on overall/boss dmg

[brittle crow]

but then burst ends and you do
checks notes
less sustained dps than them as well

huh

[robust basin]

[livid lake]

How many targets does it take for bloodthrist to be higher prio than rb?

[brittle crow]

6

[livid lake]

Thank you #1 TetoPear fan

[brittle crow]

pearto..

[robust basin]

Tf

[livid lake]

lmao

[crude ridge]

Maybe a roll for people that you see helping out a lot with good information? Idk if that would just be stormforged.

[edgy widget]

that's basically what it is, yes

[brittle crow]

idk why it's 6, tbf, since the proc should cap out at 5 targets

@edgy widget while ur here why is it 6

[edgy widget]

it's not about the proc rate, it's just about prioritizing BT more to get more raw Reap procs

[raven oxide]

how to sim fury? 5 target 40sec ? or

[brittle crow]

is reap just worth more only at 6 targets hit then

[edgy widget]

at 5 targets, you're still cleaving a good amount of direct damage via RB and you're getting occasional set Reap procs

beyond that target point, it starts to become more worthwhile to gamble for more total Reap via BT, since it has a higher proc rate, because Reap's damage is only softcapped

[crude ridge]

6+ is when you start to add in BT otherwise you're never really hitting it unless you have nothing else. And yeah it's to fish for more reaps.

ah you beat me to it

[brittle crow]

ic

i forgot about tier set lol idk what it even does for slayer

[crude ridge]

RB chance to proc reaps + RB damage increase

[brittle crow]

don't have it yet because abysmal loot luck

if im at 3pc rn what can i do next week to guarantee 4pc

other than gamble lfr

[crude ridge]

have you hit 2k io or got aotc?

[brittle crow]

that's one of the 3 pieces

y

[livid lake]

I def was playing fury wrong this whole week

[crude ridge]

then gample lfr other wise you waiting lol

[brittle crow]

waaaa

[crude ridge]

cause unless you got a piece from vault and 1 from guild then getting 4pc is a lot harder week 1

[brittle crow]

ive got a hero chest to catalyze, ive got tier shoulders, and ive got 1 unspent catalyst charge after that

i had full plans to rig my guilds loot council and get 4pc but we have literally not seen plate tier drop yet

[crude ridge]

so 1 tier piece and 2 charges

[brittle crow]

not in all of normal and not in heroic so far

[edgy widget]

nothing guaranteed, just drop or vault

you'll get another cata charge week after next

[brittle crow]

gonna kms before then if i don't get it in lfr or heroic

[crude ridge]

have you started heroic?

[fervent trout]

Whats the build if your tier-less. Like I mean so tier from any season.

[brittle crow]

yea we downed 3rd boss tonight, will do more prog saturday i think

[crude ridge]

then you got more chances still for tier

[brittle crow]

it didn't drop tier because ofc it didn't

[crude ridge]

and if you can get aotc Dime drops 3 tier tokens

[brittle crow]

kinda doubt aotc this week considering how our gally prog went, but also saturday should be more of a skeleton crew of dedicated gamers

so we'll see

[crude ridge]

H Dime isn't all that hard

[rain roost]

Hello everyone, I'm new here and wanted to say thank you first. I've already learned a lot of useful things in the chat. Now I'm just wondering if there is an overview of how much % you need, Master/Haste,

[crude ridge]

its really just a heal check

[edgy widget]

2k is way easier than AotC, it's just all 7s

[crude ridge]

^

[brittle crow]

i don't need the cata charge i need the token

2k this week is a given

[edgy widget]

I don't think H Dimensius is particularly hard, but there are a lot of moving parts, especially in P3

not gonna be an easy pug right away

[crude ridge]

Our raid lead made 1 change and p3 became a joke

[edgy widget]

sure, but that's for what I assume is a dedicated raid group, not a pug

[brittle crow]

how is it compared to H gally?

[crude ridge]

yeah

probably a tiny bit harder

[edgy widget]

idk week 1 gally was also a big heal check

I think Dimensius' choreography is harder

[brittle crow]

we lost the gally heal check pretty bad

took us another week i think to outgear it a bit

[crude ridge]

choreography is for sure a step up from gally

[molten wing]

had issues all day pugging Dimensius normal with 30 people , last phase is a shitshow with so many pugs

finally just joined a 2 2 6 group and oneshot it lmao

[edgy widget]

yeah, I mean we're only 3 days in, people still gotta learn it

[crude ridge]

so long as you can get everyone to move as a group minus the tanks p3 is easy

[molten wing]

i feel like p2 for some reason is where i've seen most struggle

intermission i guess not p2

[crude ridge]

my fps struggles in p2

lol

[molten wing]

soulbinder with 30 people when all the adds spawn

oh lord does my fan sound like a TDI engine

and my fps drops below 30

[brittle crow]

oh im supposed to be using old talents until 4pc right

[crude ridge]

the fight is definitely a p1 p2 fight

[brittle crow]

does anyone have a link to em

[crude ridge]

p3 is the easiest to learn

[edgy widget]

H Nexus-Prince had a lot of lag for me in certain parts

[crude ridge]

yes

[brittle crow]

what abt rotation?

[molten wing]

its the only boss i haven't done either on normal or hc , will check it out today but so far lag has only been an issue with full 30 man groups for me

[crude ridge]

still the same just more SD usage

[mossy fox]

fps? my game also felt a bit choppy during the dragon dmg amp phase

[brittle crow]

wym MORE

i use sd a lot with new talents too

[mossy fox]

was fine otherwise though

[brittle crow]

whenever the WA tells me to

[crude ridge]

SD procs slayers strike for big ST dam

so with 2pc you wanna send SD more

[brittle crow]

what 2pc

old?

[crude ridge]

new 2pc

[brittle crow]

i don't have new 2pc

i have old 4pc

[crude ridge]

oh shit mb

then nothing changes

keep doing S2 talents/rotation

[brittle crow]

idk either!

i didn't play s2 fury

i played prot

[crude ridge]

oh lol

[brittle crow]

can u send the s2 talents

and maybe how rotation changes

[crude ridge]

then just wait till you get 4pc and learn then

[ivory ingot]

S3 prot is the old bfa war slap tclap and ss and win

[brittle crow]

but im parsing bad ..

[crude ridge]

no point in learning S2 stuff you'll most likely drop next week

[smoky vale]

its pinned

luckily

[brittle crow]

if i wanna look good for when tier tokens r being distributed

[brittle crow]

word

[crude ridge]

then tell them you can't learn the spec until you have 4pc so all the more reason to give you 4pc lol

[brittle crow]

wise

[crude ridge]

4D chest them

hold them hostage

[brittle crow]

does that pin apply to old 4pc too tho for the rotation

or just with new 2pc

[brittle crow]

assuming we're talking abt this

[smoky vale]

i think also applies to old 4p

[crude ridge]

it does

as new 2pc doesn't change your talents yet and the rotation remains the same other than more SD usage

so even without new 2pc this still applies just not the SD usage

[brittle crow]

so with old 4pc how do i use sd?

when WA tells me to?

[crude ridge]

pretty much

with the new 2pc you can still follow the WA conditionals but its not much of a gain so to each their own

[brittle crow]

wait don't we take both h&s AND unbridled

i can't drop one for the other

yea we do take both

[crude ridge]

you don't have to take unbridled

[brittle crow]

but the raid build does

[maiden plume]

Damn I guess I've been fucking up using thane without having 4pc huh. Arms brain.

[crude ridge]

if i remember correctly you can do unbridled or 2 deft but that's more of a sim question

[brittle crow]

and the pin says drop h&s for unbridled for s2 talents

but if i take both, then what talent am i not taking

[crude ridge]

yeah 2pc slayer will out perform thane

[crude ridge]

that's assuming you have new 2pc which you do not

[brittle crow]

yall mfs just said it applies to old 4pc too!

so what's the old 4pc talents!

[molten wing]

have you guys seen the ret paladin discord

[brittle crow]

drop something for vicious contempt?

[crude ridge]

old 4pc for ST

[brittle crow]

what do i drop to get improved whirlwind for those fights

also is this taking roar still

[mossy fox]

depths and deft usually