fury

[sullen dove]

I hope sc tier also counts for the improving the dmg of disint for every less target

would make it way more op for low target count cleave and st too

instead of 150% st for missing 2 lasers be 200% for missing 4

and like 150 on 3 targets

[marble pilot]

Oh they dont take firestorm this time huh. I havnt looked.

[sullen dove]

surely that 25% buff applies

o do they not

[marble pilot]

And yeah its only 2 buttons. But it was annoying

Oh thats flameshaper raid

Flameshaper m+ still takes it

[sullen dove]

yea would imagine they can’t take much else snapfire goes hard

[smoky vale]

are you excited to be protish

[marble pilot]

Apparently scalecommander is just fine though. You get a lot more bombardments and the summons do free pyres. plus 7 lasers is a lot more scintillation procs

I havnt done much research yet though. I just like lasers

[sullen dove]

that is so heat

just the raw amount of chat space it takes up

[warm crag]

[sullen dove]

wtf new emote too

this is a little too much power

he won’t be able to be contained soon

think the shadow eyes more iconic tho

who looks at bros pfp long enough to see the real eyes

[sudden tusk]

[young swan]

its the only one i could find that matches

[sudden tusk]

Shokigeki no make me an egg sandwhich

[young swan]

also u literally have to have an emoji associated with a sticker in order to make the sticker

so

what can do

[sullen dove]

Jus use like a normal emoji idk

Such as this

🐐

[undone flower]

🫃

[young swan]

no thats lame

[sullen dove]

even better

[coarse nest]

The name LOL

Good one

[sullen dove]

godkingglazeface

[coarse nest]

Ooff

🪦

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/zzz-burnice-smile-gif-6983828365646858135

[rotund ginkgo]

our off piece is helmet y?

guild is making list

for bis gear etc

[mossy pelican]

Probly bcuz that was the combo that simmed the highest

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/zzz-jufufu-superappleman-zenless-zone-zero-oiia-gif-4393181337219162123

[rotund ginkgo]

im just following the wowhead overall bis

[mossy pelican]

Ye

[rigid stirrup]

Two 2min trinkets in the top 5 bloodmallet 5 target bis is criminal

I'm protesting

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/ju-fufu-zenless-zone-zero-zzz-bonk-fast-gif-3383291854966118665

[slim coral]

[sudden tusk]

Every 1.5 min trinket sucks

[rigid stirrup]

I agree

Surely they buff them

[stray wing]

hello everyone i have a ? just bout to get my cape and 2 websites r telling me 2 diff stats for it the haste or vers what should i go with

[rigid stirrup]

Surprising house of cards and eye still somewhat okay at the start despite nerfs

[storm rune]

That's a sim question in the end

[unborn delta]

Off piece is whichever one you get last

[stray wing]

can u get the other stat gems later on?

[unborn delta]

You want to buy epic crafted stat game

Gem*

And the one you use will depend on your gear. Missing vers? Use vers. Missing haste? Use haste. Missing mastery? Use mastery.

[rigid stirrup]

Just craft them all since you can swap whenever

[stray wing]

awh ok i havnt read much into this patch so i wasnt sure if u could get all of them or not thanks for the info

[storm rune]

Want to save money? Use whatever stat is generally good and eventually your gear will normalize with vault upgrades

[rigid stirrup]

You can craft them and swap since they don't get destroyed on swap

[stray wing]

perfect thank you

[rigid stirrup]

Np

[storm rune]

It's trashmasters mantle but you can choose the secondary

[bitter palm]

[undone flower]

I can’t wait today tuning, I’m fury nerfs addicted

[coarse nest]

Thunderblast damage reduced by 20% for both fury and protection specializations (an additional 20% for fury)

[cloud shale]

am i understanding the wowhead guide correctly that you want to spam RB as much as possible up to 5 after every bladestorm?
and i shouldnt care about SD procs unless 3 stacks of Marked for Exec or nothing else to press?

[coarse nest]

You guys ready?

[lapis shadow]

Not sure if controversial take or not

But I enjoy double passive trinkets

[junior oyster]

I will take a hit on dps if I can have trinkets I can forget about

[coarse nest]

I like one passive and one on use that syncs perfectly with cooldowns and doesn’t require some channel or mini game to activate

[mossy pelican]

Didn’t raid s1

I would have stuck a screwdriver in my ear if i had to listen to “jump 3 times”

Imagine that wa but with the tik tok girl voice

[earnest canyon]

the what now

[mossy pelican]

Bless ur ignorance i wish i could go back

[fading sky]

Booring trinket = good yes

[warm crag]

that trinket needs to die in a pit

[vivid idol]

You spam RB until one of these happens:

1. get to 5 RBs
2. Lose enrage
3. Runout of RBs

[fading sky]

Tip u loose enrage first

🤣

[winter shoal]

@cloud shale exe conditionals still are higher prio than RB stacking here btw

And current exe rules are 3mfe OR if your AJ/SD are going to expire soon, that's changing slightly when you get the new 2p though

[cloud shale]

so its pretty much like dragonflight but with added MFE

[fading sky]

New 4p we just send sd insta r

[winter shoal]

Not really

[fading sky]

Oki

Idm if mission is to keep up jugg

We send at 2 sd stacks?

[vivid idol]

So we still need the ka-ching weak-aura after we get tier?

[fading sky]

Wont we get even more sds

So realisticly just send when u have 2 or 3mfe

2 sd stacks

[winter shoal]

Assuming you mean the BT crit tracker, no. Slayer will only press BT as filler when it can't RB/exe, and thane will press it as top prio filler -both regardless of crit

[vivid idol]

Oh I meant for execute

I thought I read we can just zug zug SD now?

[winter shoal]

@fading sky Exe conditions for fury are basically just
AJ or SD expiring
2sd (any duration)
2+ mfe

all above ramp, and

1mfe inside execute range

as highest prio filler (above RB, etc)

[winter shoal]

^ does that answer your question

[vivid idol]

Ye

[winter shoal]

Cone updated his exe conditions weakaura I think

[fading sky]

Tbh u can almost just zug

[radiant plank]

he did yes

[winter shoal]

I don't use that one personally but I believe it also goes kaching

[radiant plank]

Change it to shotgun

[winter shoal]

Change it to different colored glow conditions to maximally activate the neurons

[vivid idol]

Last tier was big ka-chings

[bitter palm]

ye

its updated now

arms had no changes

[clever path]

Sir what’s AJ and MFE?

[winter shoal]

ashen juggernaut, marked for execution

[cobalt relic]

so we use the same season2 talents till we get tier pieces correct?

for raid and m+

[winter shoal]

Until 2p yes

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pimVWR144UDyhjF1bULkd9

[cobalt relic]

tyty

[graceful ruin]

are we able to do m0 tazavesh this week?

[edgy widget]

no

[graceful ruin]

thought so. just wanted to make sure

[clever path]

So moving on to season 3 we will be only using the exe WA for slayer? And send BT as a filler or smth?

[edgy widget]

Correct, BT tracker isn't needed

[winter shoal]

Slayer doesn't care about BT crit bc its prio for BT is low anyways, thane doesn't care about BT crit bc its prio for BT is high anyways

[edgy widget]

more or less, yeah

[fading sky]

Kaching in itself is dopamine

[oak peak]

What does HM tazavesh count towards in the vault?

[clever path]

I would assume 1 10

[oak peak]

That’s what i thought

[clever path]

Isn’t that cool, like a mini raid for friends, you get together and prog 8 bosses no stress, can comeback later , isn’t ?

[dire canyon]

when are we suppose to use thunderous roar? hekili is basically only suggesting it to use on opener after that its totally ignoring it

[winter shoal]

In single target it's basically low prio filler

In aoe it's pretty close to top prio

Warrior capstones very shit thank you blizzard

[earnest canyon]

Thank you big bigbowels

[dire canyon]

thought there was an error with the addon, feels weird to see it sitting ready to use for so long

[olive wraith]

Fury has no cds

[winter shoal]

Bigger by the day 💪

[winter shoal]

My goat syrif would never

[lapis shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z6-2REDeV0&ab_channel=izen

Fury at A-tier

We are getting nerfed

[winter shoal]

Izen video = L + ratio + didn't watch

[lapis shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/british-cop-screaming-screaming-sad-gif-1879411192175791821

[lapis shadow]

100% its what blizz devs look at

[winter shoal]

Me when I know nothing about the specs I'm talking about but speak with authority anyways

[lapis shadow]

Scuffed mic - Scuffed cam - Scuffed spec knowledge -> Blizzard Dev Approved

[winter shoal]

I deadass saw a video (not from Izen) this morning that said something along the lines of "fury is target capped because its primary ability, rampage, only cleaves onto a fixed number of target"

And it's like you're not really wrong

But you can just tell that person has no fucking clue what they're talking about based on that sentence

[lapis shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-gif-18313685835431531380

[winter shoal]

Nevermind that large portions of fury's aoe come from TB/BS/reap which are all soft capped

[rotund ginkgo]

thats LITERALLY like the guy saying inflation is caused by prices rising

[winter shoal]

I'd contend it's more like the guy saying inflation is happening bc he paid more for gas this week than he did last week

Like it's not necessarily wrong

But it demonstrates and obvious lack of understanding of the broader context

[lapis shadow]

Easier to say what is easy to understand

Rather what is hard to understand

👍

[junior gale]

Something something Tettles saying fury has strong aoe cds

[winter shoal]

Even easier to not offer your opinion about things you aren't an expert in

[lapis shadow]

Oh 100%

But some individuals want to be seen

Generally I shut the f up if I am not 100% certain

Takes you far in a lot of places to just say "I dont know" - Believe it or not

[winter shoal]

I'm sorry to say your career as a youtube tier list creator has ended before it even began

[lapis shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-cry-crybaby-gif-15843159

B...But... Fury is S tier...

[winter shoal]

idk I think both yoda and zorthas in their ptr reviews had warriors in the "idk I haven't really played with them" category and you still had mfs come in here like THEY SAID WE WERE THE WORST IN THE GAME

Like yeah arms is omega beans but that's also just not what they said

So damned if you do, damned if you don't ig

[slim coral]

[lapis shadow]

Real...

[slim coral]

Talkative bunch today pog

[winter shoal]

We already ran out of content this week

#fury back on its off-topic bullshit until reset

[slim coral]

looks like Izen based rankings off of sims dps

which can be good and bad cause sims are in BiS

which no one will be in

[winter shoal]

You mean the ulria sim dps sheet that's wrong?

[slim coral]

also fight design

[winter shoal]

Me when the ulria sheet says thane tier set bonus is -8% dps

[lapis shadow]

Do those guys that make the tier list even PTR test the classes

Like I would understand a Tier List based on "Hey I actually tested this on PTR"

[young swan]

they either test it themselves and still have no idea how to quantify it cause they suck or they dont test it at all and base it on other performance

[lapis shadow]

👍

Hi

[young swan]

👋

[lapis shadow]

Well Tier list or no Tier list im still gonna zug

[fickle cedar]

fk me i zoned out for 1 frame

[lapis shadow]

So happy to know that after bladestorm my 2 button (raging blow) is gonna get abused

[solemn plover]

hello skyholdians

[lapis shadow]

hello BlueSpongie57

[compact siren]

@gleaming siren you wearing anything cute rn?

[broken hornet]

Hello fury lovers

[lapis shadow]

Hello funk

[solemn plover]

We need to know

[clever path]

Fury it’s average on raid, and it’s doomed on M+, tho critcake was doing pretty good on keys during PTR

[restive peak]

The reality is most of the people on PTR either played with Crit, Madox, me etc or they played with ZERO warriors so their tier lists reflect it

Also fury does have some nuance that goes ignored when people decide to “try it” on a PTR, and they suck but that shapes their view

There were 40 hunters and 40fdks to every 1 warrior

We are absolutely NOT doomed for M+, not even close, by the way

[winter shoal]

But lincc they said we were

There were even tier lists !!!!

[lapis shadow]

S tier

[restive peak]

TRUE MUST BE FAX NO PRINTER

I give Yoda so much shit for it every tier
Lmao

[lapis shadow]

I trust Tier Lists more than I trust myself

[restive peak]

All love but the amount they push keys with what they suspect to be meta before a 6 month long season is mind boggling to me

[winter shoal]

Honestly I think yoda's lists are fine if you understand that he only cares about the absolute most meta comps to push r1 io with

[clever path]

I’ve seen this cycle before, just w8 and see

[restive peak]

And then they spend 0 time actually playing with everything to gather data

[winter shoal]

Which is just irrelevant to all but like 50 people in the world

[restive peak]

I mean yeah he also admits they mean fuck all and are just clickbot content

Click bait, fuckin autocorrect

[winter shoal]

Respectfully, you didn't know what AJ and MFE were

[plush zephyr]

Wonder if I can get to +10 next week

[restive peak]

10s will be quite easy by the end of the week

[plush zephyr]

That’s what I’m thinkin

[restive peak]

If we keep with the standard cadence, we’ll probably get to 24/25s this tier and that means 10s will be faceroll

[gleaming siren]

nothing

[winter shoal]

Waalpen said a first week 10 will probably be like a 14-15 from last season in terms of difficulty which seems pretty fair

[plush zephyr]

I’m going to do it with arms too

[radiant plank]

fury chat how do I do this fast

[clever path]

Sir I don’t need to know the abbreviations you use in your laziness to type, in order to know that fury has been beans for M+ and will remain the same

[drifting iris]

Do it if you have Phase WQs

[sullen dove]

izen video = rip some random out of context sim screenshots from this discord i did and put them in a video

[drifting iris]

Else tp and check for rares while phasing

[radiant plank]

gg

not doing it

[fickle cedar]

pog, 7 minutes of locking in, way better than the underpin fight

[marble pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-price-gif-11163798864566121593

Oh well nevermind

Gz

I guess I was right though lol got em next time

[fickle cedar]

ty! gl with it too! fun fight tbh

[spare steppe]

I’m gonna need to see official data

[marble pilot]

Im probably sending it tomorrow night. Work too much Tuesday-Sat

[spare steppe]

So I can prove that I am an endangered spec(ies)

[clever path]

Those who say fury isn’t doomed on M+ are low io or only do 10s for weekly and mainly raid

[spare steppe]

I think that’s a pretty dumb take

[marble pilot]

I bet phys comp does pretty well pushing high keys this season. I dont know if warrior will end up prot of fury for those pushes though

[spare steppe]

It’s an extremely generalizing statement without taking any of the changes or dungeons into consideration and just saying “doom and gloom, reroll”

[marble pilot]

Im not one of those players though. So fury is more than good enough for me. I might push to like 14 this season.

[restive peak]

11.2 fury is prob about 1.5x as strong as current fury, which is weak but also still capable of timing 19/20s as of last week so

I assume you’re trolling, but in case you’re not, we have guides

[clever path]

I stated that was doing well on PTR , we have yet to see this season, but I’ve seen this cycle before like I said, either it’s gonna be prot or arms that will def get buff, the warrior you bring

[winter shoal]

Prot getting buffed HOLY

[spare steppe]

Prot is likely getting a nerf not a buff

Like that kind of statement undermines your argument

[restive peak]

Prot is getting nerfed as sure as Big is a qtpi

(Guaranteed)

[clever path]

I said prot OR arms that it’s the one getting buff, y’all can’t read

[spare steppe]

You don’t have the Oxford comma

[restive peak]

Yeah make sure to pop back in closer to Tuesday and we’ll see if you’re trolling or eating crow

[spare steppe]

It’s either a or b being described by c unless you have a comma after a

[clever path]

Just wait and see

[winter shoal]

Bro was in here a few weeks ago saying moonkin with one button rotation will beat any fury warrior

I think it's just trolling top to bottom tbh

[restive peak]

He’s just a troll then yeah

[winter shoal]

I say this as like the #2 hekili stan in this discord

A skilled player will win that 10/10 times

If you're losing to a one button andy, that's a skill issue straight up

[spare steppe]

Ok but what about 1 button MM

[restive peak]

It’s a brain connectivity issue I think actually

[winter shoal]

idk but the gcd penalty itself is massive regardless of how correct the APL is in a vacuum

[spare steppe]

True true always a good thought scenario

[restive peak]

Every single guide now has a section for every class about it, and every single one talks about how the lack of CD efficiency is a 7-10% drop off alone

Some are higher

[winter shoal]

You also don't necessarily want to use cds on cd in practice

[restive peak]

Fdk is like 25% if you just send the 1 button because of how breath works lmao

Exactly

And some of them don’t use their smaller off CDs either

[winter shoal]

Me when ppal doesn't use sotr

[clever path]

Still a boomy will do more overall than a fury with 1 finger

[sullen dove]

u are a clown buddy

sorry

[undone flower]

Bladestorm is a rotational button now, ok I get it

[spare steppe]

In what scenario?

[winter shoal]

I mean with s3 tier it's like a 20ish second cd?

[restive peak]

The one where he’s trolling lol

We gonna be stormin often bro

[undone flower]

It is 20 sec if you are lucky right now / in S2

[junior oyster]

He meant the 1 finger boomy will beat HIM when he plays fury

[restive peak]

The juicy ramps are gonna be sick

[spare steppe]

Oof I’d probably reroll to Ret if fury is too hard

[restive peak]

Don’t worry Robe there’s a spot for you in this game still

[undone flower]

Im gonna have so much fun slaying the raid

[restive peak]

As the bank manager of a guild when they need consumables, you’ll be ok

[winter shoal]

s3 slayer kinda owns gameplay-wise

[restive peak]

S3 slayer is pretty fun

[winter shoal]

hitting the 2sd > 2sd > ramp > 2sd is pure dopamine to the noggin

[restive peak]

Thane is too, the giga stomps feelgoodman

[undone flower]

I should put a sound for TB procs

[clever path]

Last season let’s say a 16 motherload, a boomy with the one button, pressing cds and not dying, same as you as a fury, will do more overall, Ik it depends on pulls, but like a standard route with big pulls will outdps it, my example, tettles video, some ppl saying he was cheating or smth, but still

[sullen dove]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1124756944704512042/1166436368059203635/beartettles.gif

[slim coral]

a boomy ain't beating fury

[spare steppe]

Based on what?

[junior oyster]

Robe just yapping at this point

[undone flower]

No one beating you Bazed

[restive peak]

I mean tettles has admitted to using the thing that bypassed the GCD issue and that wasn’t even the actual 1 button

Also pretty sure that made tettles play better than tettles does so that’s an interesting factor too 😛

[spare steppe]

It’s also a different tier

[restive peak]

Yeah Boomie is on life support now

Thank god

Fuck the chickens bro

[spare steppe]

Like past data means nothing when the defining numbers have changed

[restive peak]

We’re also extremely strong currently going into the tier

Thane go BRRRRR

[clever path]

Either way, like I said, M+ players who play fury, can’t have the same opinion tha the ones who do raid

[spare steppe]

Why not?

[junior oyster]

That is also dumb.

[spare steppe]

I didn’t vote for you

[restive peak]

We all play both, your entire conversational point is legitimately stupid, baseless, and I’m concerned for your former teachers

[fickle cedar]

thane might go big in council

[junior oyster]

It sounds like you struggled, Robe, but I'm sure if you put in the work you'll have a good season

[undone flower]

I’m the one who almost never plays fury in m+, my raider opinion is vastly superior

[restive peak]

Very good chance thane crushes if the extended clap talent makes it hit all 3 all the time

[quaint forge]

Is it worth breaking S2 4-pieces for ilvl upgrades or nah?

[spare steppe]

I once played arms in keys, can I not complain about ST in raid?

[quaint forge]

I'm assuming no

[restive peak]

The robot will tell you Zith

[winter shoal]

Should be, but it's a sim question

[spare steppe]

Sim it, it’s possible with how weak 4p is

[quaint forge]

Gratzi

[restive peak]

But for slayer I’m pretty confident 2pce of the new tier makes you break immediately, our tier sucked s2

[quaint forge]

I just pulled Circuit Breaker and Pacemaker out of Floodgate.

Which means I won't see either on myth track for the rest of the season.

[winter shoal]

I think slayer is higher sim dps on 3 targets but yeah positioning will end up mattering a lot - sim dps doesn't matter if your BS/reap aren't hitting all 3 targets where TB would

[clever path]

Yeah I do, I mostly play M+ by myself, and manage to get 3580 last season as fury and prot, and it’s hard to get in as a fury warrior to those keys, you simply can’t compete

[edgy widget]

not unless they're very big jumps, break for 2p

[fickle cedar]

are you guys catalyzing your first 2 hero pieces ?

[undone flower]

Never

[quaint forge]

thank you sir

[mossy pelican]

yo don't expect folly to be a quick run today holy fuck

[winter shoal]

Don't catalyze except to lock in 4p

[mossy pelican]

this new story is cool but it takes FOREVER

[sullen dove]

almost like magically fury was dogshit last season and is much better this season

[undone flower]

It is the forbidden thing to do

[restive peak]

Zero percent chance I cata anything that isn’t mythic

[sullen dove]

sure could stillg et nerfed

but no one went into s2 saying "wow fury is amazing"

[winter shoal]

if you spend a cata charge and then get the same slot out of vault, you're gonna be sad

[undone flower]

You only catalyst for 4 p

[sullen dove]

they said that about s1 then it got kneecapped

[quaint forge]

I'm absolutely holding cata charges until myth track.

[restive peak]

Bro NGL I played fury for 19 TOP and DFC and it was almost equal for TOP, arms for ML though because fury was meh

[edgy widget]

you're heavily conflating raid and M+

[quaint forge]

I just really enjoy the thane gameplay loop. It's a lot of fun, IMO.

[sullen dove]

raid changes still heavily negatively affected m+ for a majority of the season

[edgy widget]

• nobody though Fury was going to be particularly amazing in M+ during S1, that was all raid and the nerfs had very little impact on that
• Fury wasn't dogshit in raid last season

[undone flower]

Not that crazy, but it is cata for 4p guarantee or don’t cata at all

[sullen dove]

this guys only concerned about m+

[quaint forge]

very true

I just have bad luck with cata then vault the next week.

So I'm scared

[spare steppe]

Fury wasn’t great in m+ last season, it’s a whole new season

[restive peak]

If you’re an M+ only player and not AT THE LEAST learning both warrior specs, you’re dogshit anyway lol

[winter shoal]

"both"

[spare steppe]

What is this both specs

[restive peak]

But even then why are you maining warrior if you’re an M+ only player

[winter shoal]

fuck prot amen

[restive peak]

Prot doesn’t exist on my client

Had it removed

[winter shoal]

Based

[restive peak]

Dead

[spare steppe]

Haxor

[undone flower]

It is the main point, you prevent every bad luck if you hold for the 4p, you can’t use for 2p bc you don’t know what you will loot

[winter shoal]

I mean I think there's a very reasonable argument of wanting to play the class that you enjoy. I don't think it needs to be more complicated than "I like warrior"

[restive peak]

No I agree, but you should either learn both specs so you can at least compete if that’s your goal

And if not, you’re no different than a fire only mage complaining when mage is always meta but it may not be fire always…boohoo

[quaint forge]

Arms wasn't really blowing Fury out of the water last season in M+ was it?

[restive peak]

Yes it was on most dungeons

I mean all, fury had 2-3 playable dungeons

But arms was better on overall for all

[clever path]

I know how to play arms, just don’t enjoy the gameplay + it’s kind squishy

[olive wraith]

Cause warrior is the most fun class for me

[olive wraith]

Arms isn’t squishy lol

[restive peak]

I mean I only play warr seriously too, but I’m just saying

[olive wraith]

I also don’t push any higher than like 15

[restive peak]

Saying “I’m an M+ only player” and then maining fury means you’re automatically going to EVENTUALLY run into a season like last

[sour tundra]

i like warrior but it's no fun when a DK rolls in and does 40 mil dps by pressing a few buttons

[restive peak]

It also doesn’t matter until almost bleeding edge keys

[clever path]

In a 15 with 683-4 gear you won’t be squishy

[restive peak]

People who think you couldn’t time 18-19s as fury last tier are hilarious because there are a ton of those completed so it’s clearly not true

You are correct that you weren’t timing a 22 as fury

[olive wraith]

I mean people just swapped to arms no?

[restive peak]

But you weren’t timing a 22 as anything outside of 7-8 specs total across all 3 roles anyway

[olive wraith]

Since it was generally better

[restive peak]

Yeah ofc, that’s irrelevant. It’s the statement like “OH IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FURY WAS SO BAD”

[undone flower]

Outside of 5 premade groups

[clever path]

That’s the thing, ik I can do it and beat most fotm players, but simply, don’t get invited

[restive peak]

It was not impossible because it’s been done

No one is doing 20s without a group

[olive wraith]

Getting invites is harder if you’re not the meta

[restive peak]

Getting invites to 19/20s is hard regardless of meta

[sour tundra]

i mean no one was taking warriors even for 13s

[junior oyster]

Who on earth wants to pug keys that high anyway

[undone flower]

You have the dps role debuff no matter your spec

[restive peak]

There are usually 3-5 DPS specs, 1 tank and 1-3 healer specs that will get invited to those every season

[edgy widget]

seems pretty demonstrably untrue

[clever path]

Personally, I was aiming at 18 19 not 20s, I think you can log them, but by top players, not me

[restive peak]

So if you’re any of the specs not in that very small group, you were just as unlikely to get invited

Have to run your own key or find a group if you’re seriously looking to consistently do title level keys in this game

As it should be, imagine how dogshit the game would be if the hardest, bleeding edge shit was puggable

[olive wraith]

My mage wasn’t getting invites to 10s

[sullen dove]

mage is bad

[restive peak]

It would mean the stopgap is damage output killing you and not skill of any kind

[olive wraith]

Chatting

[undone flower]

It is a small minority of keys that is dps depleted (mostly by dps check pulls or boss check)

[restive peak]

I will say mage at a bleeding edge key level is extremely difficult, and I think a lot of people ignore that and write it off

There’s a lot to manage defensively etc

[fading sky]

Y mage with defensives immortal

Mage without, classic cloth

[olive wraith]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/you-only-get-one-shot-per-week-new-source-of-guaranteed-myth-track-gear-in-patch-378067

W

[frank dawn]

yeah thats pretty neat

[plush zephyr]

Kinda weird and I don’t get it

[marble pilot]

Kinda hate it. Can see it causing some strife with groups. Just cause of the myth reward part.

[plush zephyr]

If it’s scaled to a +10

Why not just a +10

[olive wraith]

Y

[dense sedge]

Different kind of challange i guess

[plush zephyr]

So it insta drops 1 item to random players once a week?

[undone flower]

To all players

[plush zephyr]

Yeah reread

My b lol

[marble pilot]

A lot of of people only get myth track items from the vault from doing their 10s. Now they got another source but only if they dont mess up. If any one person messes up the whole group fails.

Not an issue for people doing mythic raiding. But for the people that only get 1 myth piece a week from vault failing the challenge halves the amount of myth items they can get.

[olive wraith]

Because farmable myth track would kinda break gearing

[marble pilot]

At least until you dont care about those slots since its only loot from that dungeon

[olive wraith]

We only get 1 myth per week rn. This is a chance at 2 no?

[marble pilot]

No people will see it as a guaranteed 2. Unless someone fails. And then you get mad at that one person

[undone flower]

Pug hell

[sullen dove]

i mean surely that shits not tradeable

or u just funnel myth soleah trinket to someone

once u get 2 other myths

or ig high enough ilvl hero tracks

[undone flower]

5 plate stack tazavesh run, juicy boost

[marble pilot]

Yeah pugs and groups that only do 10s for vault will suffer from it. Cause they dont have the 100% success rate. Its annoying to fail cause your random warlock buddy that filled in didnt get out of a mechanic and now all of you wasted your time.

At least its annoying to not be able to try again. The first attempt per week part sucks. Not the first successful no death per week

[undone flower]

I get they want to be cautious with that shit tbf

[olive wraith]

Well that’s just wrong isn’t it? It’s only guaranteed if you get on completion

[marble pilot]

?

[olive wraith]

I think practicing with res keys should help

[undone flower]

Yes unlike the vault, you can fail your 10

[rotund ginkgo]

is kyveza soloable as fury rn or only as prot?

[olive wraith]

To “consider it a guarantee” the myth would drop upon completion

[sullen dove]

crit did as fury theres a yt video

[willow granite]

does fury have a diminishing returns on mastery or haste? I didn't see any numbers on guide

[olive wraith]

Not doing it deathless

[olive wraith]

Yes. Robot tells us when to prio other stats

[sullen dove]

they exist but ur not really ever supposed to think about them yourself the raidbots robot deals with allat

[olive wraith]

We don’t use stat weights

[undone flower]

pawn

[rotund ginkgo]

Im sorry im a fury M+ player what was the argument?

my fury rio was almost 3.7k

with a 20 dfc timed

[sullen dove]

only

[willow granite]

I mained shaman last teir and about 21k mastery was too much for enh I just want a rough guide.

[sullen dove]

i mean idk about exact numbers but like 60% is prolly a healthy enough spot to be

give or take 5-10% idk

[willow granite]

i have 18.2k unbuffed atm and that is 50%

19k haste

[sullen dove]

sure, unless robot tells you to use a diff piece of gear with diff stats then its chillin

droptimizer usually best for finding out what you should go for

[marble pilot]

I guess I dont understand what you are trying to say.
The extra loot is on a deathless completion. Not a completion in general.
A large amount of players will expect to be able to do a deathless completion every time so you assume you get the free piece.
Then any single person misses a mechanic and dies. Now you all fail not just that person and that causes strife.
You expect a 100% loot cause YOU can do it fine. Someone else fails and YOU lose your loot.

[sullen dove]

if you dont have something

[sullen dove]

i expect to not take 300 pulls on a boss cuz i can do it fine yet raid where i do

[willow granite]

I have to learn how to use raidbots better. I'm so bad at it. Thanks guys

[sullen dove]

some ppl are masochists

ye np ppl can prolly give some assistance here

its not so bad once youre used to it

just downloading an addon copy pasting a bunch of shit into raidbots with it then picking what u want to find out

[spare steppe]

Deathless runs favor super survivable classes

Fury meta

[marble pilot]

thats not the same. You can do the boss 300 times in a week if you have enough time.
The dungeon is on your first attempt of the week.
You get 1 try per week per toon. And there is what 3-4 months of a season? so 12-16 tries total?

[willow granite]

yeah i'll ask some officers tonight. Thanks 🙂

[sullen dove]

u can also probably do like 3 tank 2 healer to live

i dont think many bosses have a dps check per se

so long as youre consistent

[rotund ginkgo]

noxiv ringing the phone linc

[sullen dove]

maybe menagerie will be bad

[rotund ginkgo]

pick it up

pack ur shi

ur donezo!!

[olive wraith]

That’s what I mean. Actually completing it deathless is absolutely NOT guaranteed. Thinking otherwise is just wrong

[smoky vale]

hi

[earnest canyon]

Whats a good scifi/fantash audiobook to download?

[marble pilot]

I dont disagree with that personally. But I do expect a large amount of people to expect to be able to do it deathless every time though.

IMO it should be first deathless of the week.
Not first attempt of the week. That way you can gg go next if you fail it and not feel like you lost a whole week and a piece of loot.

[olive wraith]

Oh totally. People will def think they’ll get robbed. But people also take tier lists as facts

[rotund ginkgo]

the fury discord imo

or the bible

[olive wraith]

So what can you do

[sullen dove]

yea i mean idk how correct the wowhead thing is but it being related to a buff on your char the whole week if true then yea its bad

[earnest canyon]

lol

[sullen dove]

but like original hardmode im psure u could reset the dungeon and start from the beginning again

[edgy widget]

cause it's not a keystone, its a 1/week activity

[sullen dove]

if u hadnt completed it that week at least

[fossil grove]

Tons of 20’s were pugged

[dusky moon]

now yall can stop pinging me about the tazavesh thing ty

[sullen dove]

like if that option is in there it wouldnt be as bad but a single you walk into the instance and thats it you have to do it then and there is bit cringe

who is pingin u

[marble pilot]

Yeah depends on if it is truely first attempt of the week or first completion. If you can reset and try again its all good. If it is the first attempt then I can see a ton of people getting really frustrated with it.

[smoky vale]

@dusky moon

[plush zephyr]

Extra myth item is going to yuuuge

[edgy widget]

you get normal loot from bosses, the last boss also drops a bonus piece of M loot if the buff is still intact at the end of the run

anyone in the group dying removes the buff from everyone

[sullen dove]

this chud ig

[edgy widget]

attempt, you cannot reset

[plush zephyr]

No time to do it, so everyone just be as safe as possible and run defensive stuff?

[olive wraith]

Chance at extra

[sullen dove]

just 3 tank 2 heal poggers

gonna be so fun

[edgy widget]

not timed correct, but some encounters have soft-timers

[olive wraith]

Shit happens though. Could die to a boss or whatever

[edgy widget]

there are additional HM changes as well - it's not a cakewalk

[smoky vale]

4 tanks 1 healer

[marble pilot]

Yeah that is a horrible idea then imo. I predict a huge number of people expecting to get it then someone dcs or lags or whatever and dies. Now the whole group loses loot.

[restive peak]

Noxiv played arms this tier a lot lol

[edgy widget]

nobody said it's supposed to be easy!

[rotund ginkgo]

liar linc

prove it

[olive wraith]

You could say the same about a push key

[plush zephyr]

Ppl getting guild kicked for dying or running the dungeon by accident

[smoky vale]

can you do the normal mythic then do the hard mode?

[rotund ginkgo]

linc, noxiv's arms score was 773.7

[orchid dagger]

oh no, repercussions for failing

[edgy widget]

tbf, if the whole point of the run is to do deathless, then getting kicked after dying doesn't really matter since the run is already over for everyone regardless

[marble pilot]

Sure but with resil keys you can just send it again. You get 12-20 tries depending on how long this season is to complete it. Better hope you have good internet and friendsd

[olive wraith]

You won’t have resi on a push key

[edgy widget]

there's a completely different dichotomy between this and push keys though

for one, push keys aren't meant to be inherently rewarding, this is

[marble pilot]

Ok you can still do multiple tries in a week. Imagine they put the optional DH bosses in the raid as you get 1 pull per week.

[storm birch]

Best fury world s2 world no arms Sadge

[edgy widget]

for another, this isn't meant to be a consistent goal every week - it's something that some people can work up to doing and get a reward for, but not something everyone is expected to do (which it would be if you could reset and run it back)

[marble pilot]

I dont mind them trying out new things. I just think this is a bad idea and it wont go over well in the community at large.
It personally doesnt effect me much. But I think the 1 try per week is bad.

[edgy widget]

ofc it won't go over well with the community, the community doesn't want challenge - it just wants reward

but then again, practically nothing goes over well with the community even when they do get free shit, so who cares

[limber oar]

Based

[edgy widget]

you can't please people who are intent on being displeased

[marble pilot]

I see people expecting to be able to do it. Cause they can do 10s or 15s or whatever. Then losing this loot cause of things like dcs and not being able to try again.

Overall its pretty minor. Just odd to me they went that way

[edgy widget]

if they can do 10s deathless, then I think they probably should be able to do Taza

[storm birch]

I think gamers love to take the “squeaky wheel gets the grease” mentality and must think that why wouldn’t they complain if it has a possibility to benefit them

[edgy widget]

what you're actually talking about is people who time +5s think they should be able to do this +10 equivalent deathless

[storm birch]

Which I think is silly but I at least understand it

[olive wraith]

Can you “complete” hard mode multiple times

[marble pilot]

Yeah it isnt about the difficulty. Cause a deathless 10 without affixes should be pretty easy.
Its just the one attempt per week thing I dont like.

[olive wraith]

Like fill your vault with hard mode attempts

[edgy widget]

I understand, but you gotta recognize what happens if it's not 1 attempt per week too

[atomic sparrow]

i think the problem is the one try per week, i dont mind wasting a trillion tries to get the myth item.
but its going to be extremely punishing if you get a dc or something bugs out and theres nothing you can do about it.
with m+ you can just level up your key and do it again, tying player power with this shit is not going to land well with the community

[edgy widget]

it becomes the thing that everyone needs to spend time running back until they get it right so that they don't "fall behind" in loot

rather than a thing that's not meant to be completed every week, a thing that's just meant to be there to show "mastery" for the handful who dedicate themselves to it

[marble pilot]

Yeah I get that. IMO it should be a mount you get and not gear. Or a title whatever. Tying it to loot and being once a week is the problem I guess.

[edgy widget]

like I said, it's a whole different dichotomy

[radiant plank]

why r we arguing that the content that rewards the best gear shouldnt be this hard 🥱

[sullen dove]

ppl already more than happy to spend time doing 30 hours of m+ in the opening weeks of a season so what if they spend a lil more time somewhere else

[edgy widget]

if it's a mount or other 1-time reward, then people do it one time (probably at the very end of the season when it's easiest), and never go back

[storm birch]

Oh I’m just now catching up on the deathless news. That’s so sick

[olive wraith]

People have literally been wanting a way for key only players to get more myth track

[storm birch]

I gotta assemble a squad for this

[olive wraith]

And the first thing I see are complaints

[edgy widget]

how many people routinely rerun the Delve nemesis boss?

[olive wraith]

[radiant plank]

i did to fill vaults quick

[smoky vale]

no one

[atomic sparrow]

it's not about being hard, i think it's cool asf we have some challenging 5-man content with no timers. it's about being extremely punishing and you having no retries that doesnt sound good

[marble pilot]

I get it. I just dont see it going over well.

And as I said it doesnt personally effect me much.

[olive wraith]

Why is it punishing

[edgy widget]

that's not because of the boss reward though, that's because of the vault's rewards

[remote bobcat]

i did that for delve vault

yerr

[dapper goblet]

praying baze wipes first pull

[olive wraith]

If you fail you get the standard 1 myth per week

[atomic sparrow]

you're 1 vault behind everyone that does it for the rest of the season?

[radiant plank]

@smoky vale spawn me a rare mob ty

[graceful elk]

Hey has anyone had thier cloak disapear on thier alt???

[olive wraith]

What’s the actual difference between a hero piece and a myth piece

[storm birch]

Would you agree it’s better to have the chance rather than them never implement it at all 😮

[olive wraith]

And also. You don’t lose anything

[edgy widget]

you're also a vault behind everyone who kills 2/5/7 M raid bosses in the first week and those who don't

[polar narwhal]

No but I've had it stop functioning sometimes after leaving an instance. The cloak stats & proc would just stop working until I re-equipped it.

[jovial dagger]

so , any new talents we play?

[edgy widget]

once you get tier

[atomic sparrow]

im not talking vault slots man, im talking about myth track items

[jovial dagger]

thank u archi

[atomic sparrow]

people that only do m+ get 1 per myth item per week

[edgy widget]

then why did you say 1 vault behind?

[atomic sparrow]

13 item level

[atomic sparrow]

we only get myth items from the vault, thats what i meant xD

[edgy widget]

you're still not a vault behind

[storm birch]

Aka like less than a % in power difference in most cases?

[edgy widget]

failing the deathless run doesn't mean you don't get a vault that week, the two have nothing to do with one another

[atomic sparrow]

you're a myth track item behind, what you're talking abt

[olive wraith]

Rwf does raid splits

Why don’t you complain about that

[edgy widget]

ok, but you specifically said vault, not an item behind

[atomic sparrow]

you're ragebaiting?

[edgy widget]

no, I'm responding to what you said lol

you said "you're a vault behind" and I questioned it because... you're not
you then started arguing about it lol

[fickle cedar]

kinda lame that they dont let you just retry it, whats the harm

[remote bobcat]

wait what is this talk about myth track? can we get a myth track vault slot alrdy or sum?

what did i miss

[smoky vale]

use @slim coral as a sacrifice

[remote bobcat]

like rn ?

[marble pilot]

For m+ only players they would effectively be a vault behind. Someone got 2 pieces you only get 1.
Not technically from the vault but still

[quiet breach]

I guess this rewards 5 man m+ teams

[fickle cedar]

starting next week

[olive wraith]

You can be behind a myth piece of someone loots it from raid

[remote bobcat]

ahh

better study the shit outta tazavesh

[edgy widget]

and as I said, yes if someone else complets the Deathless and you don't, you're an "item behind"

However, if you kill an extra raid boss that week and they don't, you're an item ahead, which is an extremely common occurance

My point being that it's not as clear cut as "everyone always gets 1 item per week"

[smoky vale]

w sticker

@young swan ty

[olive wraith]

HM is literally a good thing

Why are we mad

[edgy widget]

nor has the game ever been intended to be fair in the sense that everyone get the same number of items, much less value of items, at the same rate

• my first vault might be a socket, yours might be a BiS trinket, all because of RNG
• my next 3 vaults might be tier, yours might be 3x bracers, all because of RNG

[smoky vale]

People want more rewards for less challenge

[radiant plank]

Thanks I got it

[fickle cedar]

Im not mad because its HM, im mad on how it works

[olive wraith]

It’s an extra chance at myth

Like what

[quiet breach]

I think it's bad because it promotes hella toxicity

[sullen dove]

it being death related is maybe fine but you cant even walk out of the dungeon if no ones died and try again later

[quiet breach]

people are gonna be MAD AS FUCK at the guy who dies

[sullen dove]

it has to be the first time u walk into the instance

and yea that too

[atomic sparrow]

yeah, raid throws that balance out of the window but still it's something impactful for someone who doesnt m raid or m raids and is trying to get as ahead as possible if you fail a run because of some random shit and you can't even retry. im fine with it being hard just doesnt sounds good having 1 try every 7 days ><

[fickle cedar]

Its only first try, you're permanently behind if someone in your team dies, at least in raid you just go again

[remote bobcat]

imagine if the rwf boys go into that dungeon and someone disconnects, causing a death, ripping 5 characters

KEKW

[echo rapids]

It does kinda seem like it could lead to toxic shit. Gonna have to do with chill AF guildies who won’t mind a death

[marble pilot]

Its the perception thats the problem. I bet the majority will expect to do it every time. And anything happens at all and they rage.
Any dc. Any lapse at all and you are done for the week. You cant try again. Someone gets screwed by others failing two weeks in a row and they be real mad.
Its going to be toxic as hell

[sullen dove]

yea i mean rwf def gonna have to do like 1 main 4 alts type shit

[olive wraith]

If raid boss dies and you don’t get loot

[sullen dove]

surely loot is funnelable

second week get 4 split alts with 5/6 hero trinkets to give a main myth soleahs

[echo rapids]

Isn’t the crest cap more of an issue for RWF?

[edgy widget]

as we were talking about previously, the "harm" is just managing expectations

• if you can rerun it, the expectation becomes that it's something everyone is supposed to get done each week - it might take you a lot of attempts, but you should eventually get it done. This plays into that "falling behind X number of items per week" argument above

• if you can't rerun it, it becomes a reward for mastery that relatively few people will get. While that does mean they will be "ahead" because of it, the majority won't be completing it, and therefore the average expectation is still in not getting the extra myth item per week

[sullen dove]

giga iq

[olive wraith]

Literally just getting access to a chance at another myth is huge imo

[echo rapids]

Wonder which specs have bis tazavesh trinkets

[fickle cedar]

Yeah I understand your point but I would personally prefer if those types of challenges would be similar to Nightbane in legion's karazhan in terms of rewards

[marble pilot]

I agree with this. And think either the difficulty needs to be higher so a lot less people are expecting to be able to do it.
Or just go with the first option. Its only an expectation until you get the loot you need from it. It isnt a huge pool of items just the ones from that dungeon

[remote bobcat]

nah its still ilvl

yk?

[flint pond]

So I started picking up Fury towards end of Season 1 and was enjoying myself. I ended up having to take a break last season because my work situation changed.

How gimped is Fury this season? I haven’t had a chance to play yet as I’ve been out of town for work. But I have all weekend to catch up.

[sullen dove]

fury good this season

[echo rapids]

For sure it’s ilvl

[sullen dove]

better than average

for now

[edgy widget]

I mean it's a pretty decent pool (cause it's all bosses from both wings), but when we're talking about the diff between H and M tier loot, it doesn't have to be BiS to be valuable

[edgy widget]

you mean in awarding a mount instead of gear?
or the time limit, instead of a death limit?

[echo rapids]

I guess RWF is done before anyone can max their gear with crests so free 1/6 myth ilvl is nice

[storm birch]

And hopefully encourages them to form up!

[marble pilot]

I dont know the answer. I just dont think what they have is it. And it will lead to a lot of toxicty and complaining. I gotta get back to work though catch up later

[flint pond]

Good to know. Thank you.

[sullen dove]

think time limit is always more enjoyable

like deaths still punish you but its not an instant go fuck yourself for the rest of the week

and u try to get zesty with it

[olive wraith]

People gonna complain about literally anything

[edgy widget]

perhaps, but there are a lot of players who hate time limits, even easy ones

[sullen dove]

instead of spending 15 minutes between boss pulls

[echo rapids]

It’s gonna be unpuggable for a while

[edgy widget]

time limits also encourage DPS stacking, which no death kind of does but not as heavily

[sullen dove]

no death is like opposite youd want to be as tanky as you could if there arent dps checks no

like menagerie is cringe if u cant do all the bossest fast but i dont think majority of them have enrage mechs

just triple tank that shit easy

[edgy widget]

generally yes, however there are things keeping you from doing slow unkillable boss fights

[sullen dove]

more mechs to have to do but slow and steady wins the race

[quiet breach]

if the hard mode bosses don't have enrage can't u just go 5 tank and ignore mechanics lol

and never die

[fickle cedar]

I meant I would prefer mounts or aesthetic rewards for that, I think its a bit healthier for gear progression than this option

[edgy widget]

like the boss mechanics themselves require a certain amount of speed - capt keeps summoning adds, hyldenbrand has the puzzles, etc

[sullen dove]

the puzzles dont rly get harder tho than the first time just need to be able to kill the adds reasonably fast

[quiet breach]

isn't prot warrior like, almost DPS level dps

[edgy widget]

I generally agree, but it wouldn't serve the same purpose here

• if it were a cosmetic reward, people would do it once (probably at the end of the season) and have no reason to ever do it a second time, which also means reducing the potential pool of eager players each time they complete it
• if it's a gear reward, people are more likely to keep wanting to redo it

The intent here was clearly to give dungeon-focused players an extra potential avenue of gear progression, not just a reward for being dungeon players

I'm not saying it's the best design ever, mind you, just explaining why they did it the way they did it

[olive wraith]

I was begging for a way to get more myth track as a non myth raider

[quiet breach]

5x prot warrior tasavesh cheese inc

[sullen dove]

real news

[quiet breach]

only 13% below enhance shaman in ST

[fickle cedar]

Yeah I see, I did like that they made it so HM counts as a 10 for vault, but I do hope they rethink the first attempt idea

One mythic item is huge for early progression and it would feel bad missing out on it due to a single team mistake, cool idea aside from that single point

[fading sky]

I mean the anger when some1 fails

[delicate knoll]

talents for fury mityc plus?

[tender forge]

what ilvl are you guys dropping 4 set at? cba simming it lol

[fading sky]

4p

[radiant plank]

asap

[tender forge]

okay sweet

[olive wraith]

2p slayer

[tender forge]

yeah ive got 2p so its getting dumped

[olive wraith]

?

When I get s3 2p

[quiet breach]

just go 2pc 2 PC if u cba to sim

[winter shoal]

Lucky for you someone already simmed it #fury message

[radiant plank]

ok nerd

[fickle cedar]

did you change to void elf ?

cant leave my orc behind even tho its like 1%

[winter shoal]

Did 6 sets of comp bench into 3 sets of weighted dips today fight me

[edgy widget]

understandable, but the whole point is that by making it harder this way, there's less expectation that everyone gets it

[winter shoal]

Nah just copied the simc profile

[radiant plank]

Blowup

Did 2 sets of flies into 2 sets of incline

[edgy widget]

think of it this way

• if you can run it back, the expectation becomes that most people will complete it eventually - ergo if 90% of the people you're competing against have it, you not getting it means you're below average and have "fallen behind"
• if you can't run it back, the expectation is that most people won't get it - ergo if only 10% of the players you're competing against aren't getting it either, you not getting it means you're well wtihin the average and have therefore not fallen behind any more than my mid-tier raid guild is falling behind RWF guilds clearing the raid in the first couple weeks

[undone flower]

Is it true the renown gives the unlimited rune buff ?

[edgy widget]

at 18 yeah... it also costs like 100k

[undone flower]

Just to know if I have to do things I don’t want to do

[winter shoal]

I'm about to fuck around and hit some pec deck, finally found an angle that doesn't hurt my elbow

[edgy widget]

you get persist through death augment runes from the raid renown track too though

3-6 per week

[undone flower]

It’s how many stats ? The undermine ones were sleepers

[edgy widget]

733 primary

[quiet breach]

that is plenty, why would anyone subject themselves to the grind of the endless augment rune

[edgy widget]

to use in other content perhaps

its plenty for coordinated raiding, but if you're doing a lot of M+ at inconsistent times the actual endless rune would be better

[undone flower]

Thx, now I will think in my pot if I do reputation shit fir the next month for 700 primary stats

[winter shoal]

I've been using the df perma augment all expansion

[edgy widget]

you can, but the amount of stats is trivial

[fickle cedar]

Yeah it might be a bit chaotic the first weeks, do you know if its 1 mythic item per week or is it a once per character type thing ?

[shadow flame]

this was nice let's not do it again, till next season if something similar exists 😛

[edgy widget]

next season will be next expansion

[undone flower]

18 renown is like 1 month right ?

[edgy widget]

its per character

[fickle cedar]

oh well thats better than I thought then, thanks!

[undone flower]

I think ill pass on these like DF, unless guild wants me to

[edgy widget]

I don't bother with augment runes the majority of the time

I definitely don't bother with DF augment runes

[raw bone]

how do you cap myhtic chamber this week? you can only do 6, right?

[fickle cedar]

depends on how much you're grinding with contracts, not that worth mentally to clear the whole map every week for that extra rep

[prisma flare]

do 2 whitout loot

[edgy widget]

run two of them back

[radiant plank]

pec deck and flat bench on the same day

[edgy widget]

or just do delves, they're better rewards anyway

[radiant plank]

breaking my heart

[raw bone]

oof

[undone flower]

Yes they come too late, if it’s over a month I’m like almost fully geared, I don’t care anymore

[devout totem]

might as well do push ups if ur elbow is hurting

[chilly fractal]

idk what I'm looking forward to more next week... new season or the next episode of Dexter

[spare steppe]

100k is also a lot for an augment rune, unless you’re really aiming to parse

[iron portal]

Dexter's laboratory?!

[chilly fractal]

lol

[iron portal]

Funnily enough, wayching season 1 right now

[undone flower]

What parse 700 primary stat will give you

[modern pulsar]

Guys, fury mountain thane in aoe situation / st dont use whirlwind anymore?

Is this?

[chilly fractal]

Dexter Resurrection has been just a treat each week so far

fantastic television

[undone flower]

I used to play jak and Dexter on the ps2

[marsh frigate]

Stg

[chilly fractal]

yea

[digital mauve]

is champion spear mandatory with the m+ thane talent tree or is it viable to switch and take roar?

[candid falcon]

you use thunder clap instead

[modern pulsar]

ty

[smoky vale]

@young swan can we get a swordish emote or

[quiet breach]

u can use roar if you want

[edgy widget]

no

[lyric rain]

is there any WA for opportunist proc on fury

[wintry hatch]

no to spear or no to roar? lol

[midnight sierra]

[eager pewter]

Bout to start leveling a fury warrior. What's the best path or guide to use?

[edgy widget]

#1237307732705415228 message

• There's one for Bloodthirst, which you won't use in Season 3
• There's another for Sudden Death, which you don't need to update until Season 3 tier

[olive wraith]

Wowhead

[fickle cedar]

from what I recall spear is +aoe -st and roar is the opposite, I'll stick with roar personally until I know the routes since you just send it

[lyric rain]

ty tho have them all just need the opportunist one cause it's hard to track it when all the buffs top right the screen

[plush zephyr]

spear hasn't really felt out of place even in the chaotic pugs ive done

[edgy widget]

opportunist one isn't relevant to Fury

[plush zephyr]

or awkward. I've enjoyed it

[lyric rain]

isnt opportunist proc takes prio on Single target nowdays ?

[fickle cedar]

oh yeah I just dont wanna send it early when m+ drops, some tanks stay in for a bit before going to the next pack

[edgy widget]

Opportunist is used by Fury, but the tracker is not needed by Fury, it says as much right on that page I linked

[lyric rain]

what you mean is that opportunist /raging blow does play it self no need to track the buff

just follow the rotation linked on wowhead

[edgy widget]

what I mean is exactly what I said, Fury does not need the WeakAura

Arms uses it because other abilities trigger Opportunist, whereas Raging Blow triggers its own reset

[sour tundra]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/you-only-get-one-shot-per-week-new-source-of-guaranteed-myth-track-gear-in-patch-378067?utm_source=discord-webhook

[digital mauve]

On ST we do not use thunderclap (not buffed) unless it's a filler right ? Also does BT has priority over CB without (85% crit nor vicious contempt?) Because on SIMCRAFT when I look at the spell the computer use there's a lot more of BT han CB

[lyric rain]

I got your point now ty

[uneven schooner]

is it normal for mountain thane to sim worse than slayer without any tier for aoe?

[edgy widget]

Correct, Thunder Blast is high prio, Thunder Clap is not

and CB is Crushing Blow, which is only used during Recklessness with Reckless Abandon; not something that's currently talented

[digital mauve]

Okey I meant

the other one

RB

[polar narwhal]

Bt gives Tb procs

So you press Bt more

[edgy widget]

yes, Bloodthirst is generally high prio for Thane because you want TB procs

[digital mauve]

Humm

Ok ok

[olive wraith]

After we get s3 tier

[digital mauve]

and the rotation is pretty much the same between AOE and ST right (minus ThunderClap) so Rampage > BT > RB ?

[olive wraith]

Bt is higher prio in aoe when you 1 or less tb charges

Higher than ramp

[winter shoal]

TB is top prio in single target as well

[olive wraith]

Unless you need enrage

[winter shoal]

That's actually only true in VC range now

[olive wraith]

We don’t fish for tb charges outside of VC?

[olive wraith]

Huh interesting

[digital mauve]

Wait, so

[winter shoal]

I simmed the difference on 5t with always BT > ramp as well

[digital mauve]

I'm aware that TB is top priority in both ST and MT

[polar narwhal]

If you have s3 tier

4p

[digital mauve]

But I thought Rampage even when I'm already enraged was top priority over BT which himself is top priority over RB both in ST and MT

[olive wraith]

Ye it appears I was wrong

[winter shoal]

TB > ramp > BT > RB
in both single and aoe

[polar narwhal]

It is unless enemy is below 35

[olive wraith]

There was a time bt>ramp but that has changed

[winter shoal]

yes

[edgy widget]

everything varies with target count, the point of making a solid APL is giving people a consistent rotation

[digital mauve]

Okey that's crystal clear

[edgy widget]

no matter how much people say they want to optimize, nobody in the world is keeping up with a 25 step deep APL that requires them to count the exact number of mobs around them at any given time

[winter shoal]

hekili is 🙂

[digital mauve]

exactly

[edgy widget]

even hekili doesn't do that as well as people think it does

[winter shoal]

I mean it just maps the current game state to the APL no?

[digital mauve]

btw the blizzard verison of hekili is worse than the addon?

[winter shoal]

Yea

[edgy widget]

it's not as fast or accurate as a sim is

[winter shoal]

a few % worse

[restive fiber]

Is tazavesh m0 available this week ?

[digital mauve]

oh

[spare steppe]

No

[winter shoal]

True, also sim is only worth so much in practical cases anyways, I'm mostly just yapping

[digital mauve]

tbh I have the blizzard hekili version on even though I know my rotation, it's just that sometime having a blue aura around Avatar or Ravager after it's just been out of cooldown is kinda helping me, I think

[restive fiber]

Thanks for replying 😦

[rotund ginkgo]

FINALLY

[winter shoal]

If it works it works

[rotund ginkgo]

RB LOW PRIO

let's goooo

[edgy widget]

the blizz rotation is pretty bare bones, it's basically default actions without all the hyper contextualized conditions that we put in to eke out small amounts of additional optimization

Because Warrior is a relatively straightforward class, the loss in doing that is rather minor - about 5% down from our (notably more complicated) action lists

The same is not true for other classes though, especially those that juggle a lot of dots or debuffs, like UH DK; they tend to lose a lot more w/ Blizz simplifications

[rotund ginkgo]

My days of always overclicking bt will pay off!

[edgy widget]

Blizz also doesn't include most oGCD cooldowns

[rotund ginkgo]

Yeah iirc enha totemic loses like 7-10%

And stormbringer loses like 30% lmao

Especially in aoe

[digital mauve]

Okey thanks for the reply

[rotund ginkgo]

Is this true for both thane and slayer?

Say yes, so I can kiss u

Well

No tb part

[olive wraith]

Yes(I’m lying)

[rotund ginkgo]

Bro just wants a kiss

[olive wraith]

🫶

[rotund ginkgo]

Frfr

[winter shoal]

Negative, only thane

[rotund ginkgo]

Slayer still prios rb in st and bt in aoe?

[winter shoal]

More nuanced than that

[olive wraith]

Bt only after 5 targets I think it was

[rotund ginkgo]

Give me the nuances big dog

[olive wraith]

Bowl got the answer

[winter shoal]

Because RB can proc reap at 150% effectiveness, but its proc chance doesn't scale with target count, you still RB > BT up to 5 targets

But then at 6+ you BT > ramp and BT > RB

[rotund ginkgo]

That's slayer?

[winter shoal]

Yea

[rotund ginkgo]

Why would I play slayer at 6+

[olive wraith]

Prio dmg

[winter shoal]

Add spawns during raid fights mostly

[rotund ginkgo]

Are there any of those this raid?

Like 6+ adds?

I'd imagine thane would be the play in Mythic kinda like stix?

[snow edge]

Do they live long enough to push that many buttons

[winter shoal]

Slayer is probably also contextually good in keys depending on group comp, its single target is much higher than thane and its aoe is only a little worse (but falls further behind the more targets there are)

[olive wraith]

Dawn might be a good slayer key

[rotund ginkgo]

Is the st gap huge now?

[winter shoal]

10% or so IIRC but I don't have the numbers on hand

[rotund ginkgo]

Fair

[olive wraith]

I think less than s2

Ionizing strikes actually does damage now

[rotund ginkgo]

So in slayer st up until 5 you rb > ramp > bt

And in 6+ you bt ramp rb?

[winter shoal]

ramp > RB > BT

[digital mauve]

when you say that, does it means BT > ramp and ramp > RB =====> BT>Rampage>RB ?

[winter shoal]

but yes 6+ is BT > ramp > RB

[winter shoal]

yes

[rotund ginkgo]

Ah we're not delaying ramps to maximize enrage window?

That's only a thane thing?

[winter shoal]

Uhhh

Did we ever do that

[junior gale]

Sorta

[rotund ginkgo]

I mean in thane you ramped at like 100 ish

[winter shoal]

Oh taht's what you mean

[rotund ginkgo]

Get another rb/bt

Yeah

[olive wraith]

I think for thane it’s just so we don’t run out of buttons

[winter shoal]

Breakpoint is 115 for slayer, 100 for thane

[rotund ginkgo]

So like you'd ramp bt rb rb rb ramp

[winter shoal]

Target count may affect that idk, I'm just looking at the apl

also @rotund ginkgo for slayer, exe conditionals are prio over everything else in both st and aoe

[rotund ginkgo]

So to summarize st slayer would be

1. Ramp if above 115 or about to expire enrage
2. Rb
3. Bt

[olive wraith]

Fuck ya

[digital mauve]

My biggest mistake I think is using TB during engage without pressing Rampage beforehand so without being enraged ... and my uptime being bad sometime when there's aoe on the ground I tend to misplace and don't hit the target for 1-2 seconds

[winter shoal]

exe conditionals over all that but yes

[olive wraith]

Exe spam hell ya

[rotund ginkgo]

And in 6 target it'd be
bt
Ramp if over 115
Rb

Yeah ik exec conditionals

[winter shoal]

well you don't use your exe conditions if you're not enraged but

you kinda do

it's unlikely

[rotund ginkgo]

I just use atrocity exec weakauras

[winter shoal]

yer

oh wait

I'm smoking crack

ignore me

ramp is still above bt in aoe

regardless of target count

fury main attempts literacy challenge

[olive wraith]

I guess am is good

[junior gale]

Hardest thing for a lot of players is uptime and hitting buttons every gcd. Don't worry about accidentally sending TB un enraged on pull it's not a big deal in the long run. You can slowly fix that through muscle memory.

[olive wraith]

If only OF didn’t suck

Could just blast that on pull

[winter shoal]

OF doesn't suck (in some contexts)

small aoe gain for a small st loss

[junior gale]

15 sec AOE burst windown

[digital mauve]

Yeah I guess, but when you're a melee and you have so many puddles of shit or else on the ground, sometimes you just try to fix your position and by doing that you're jsut too far from the mobs and don't hit anything

[smoky vale]

stop maining fury = profit

[spare steppe]

Gross

Fury is life

[junior gale]

Oh yeah, it's why when specs had three extra yard melee range it was a massive deal. The thing I like to do when there's a lot of shit on the ground I will reposition by moving through the mob instead of going out and around if possible of course

[tepid cedar]

Imagine getting lucky and getting the 2h taza weapon from harmode flawless 😂😂

[olive wraith]

Gonna be honest I am not hopeful to clear it until like week 5/6

[tepid cedar]

lol nah 2 weeks tops. Nothing in there is hard and it’s only a +10 difficulty

[olive wraith]

You say that

[junior gale]

Yee gamers should be able to do it week one and more casual gamers will start to get it down the next week

[tepid cedar]

Get you a group go to ptr and run the shit 2-3x and ull be fine

[junior gale]

The hardest part will be to not die

[olive wraith]

Ye I don’t have a solid group

I just pug everything

[junior gale]

Pug roulette it is

[tepid cedar]

I mean yea it’s not hard lol. But shit does happen so. I usually pug everything as well but this I’ll prolly run with a group since it’s a one shot thing

[warm crag]

you have a lot more gear on ptr than you'll have on live

[olive wraith]

Copy your character?

[warm crag]

you're set to 707

[tepid cedar]

Not so much for the clear spongie but too see all the mechs

The only boss I see being tricky would be the quadrant boss as that boss is so easy but even easier to mess up the portal accidentally or something going wrong

[uneven schooner]

is dungeon slice ok to sim for fury?

i know some specs dont trust it

[tepid cedar]

Nah

Just sim normally 1t 5t

[uneven schooner]

5t 1 min for aoe?

[tepid cedar]

I personally just do 5m

But if you want to be exact

[uneven schooner]

trying sim for dungeons

[tepid cedar]

Use about time takes adds to die

Yea I still only use 5m

[uneven schooner]

thats new to me. i see most people suggest 5t for 1 minute to sim a dungeon pull

[quiet breach]

why would u do 5 min 5t

unless it's a 5 man council fight I guess, that u cleave

[junior gale]

sim for the pull your doing but ultimately simming for M+ is whatever

you can 1 min sim or 5 doesnt really matter in the long run

[tepid cedar]

Itts all extremely negligible

[junior gale]

^

[tepid cedar]

And you also need to account for bosses

[uneven schooner]

yeah i know its not exact

[tepid cedar]

Where ur not killing a boss in 1 min

[digital mauve]

any advices for the mage tower ? Currently 654 ilvlv

[tepid cedar]

Aside from some gems and ring enchants making semi diff and usually crit or vers changing aoe dps a it

[uneven schooner]

im just trying to compare the two recommended specs for my guy

[tepid cedar]

M+ slayer build is thumping

Hit a 6.2m overall on HoA with it

[uneven schooner]

im on a new toon with no tier

[tepid cedar]

I been trying to follow apl and practice it and thane dosnt do that much more dps than slayer atm bc no tier

I’m loving slayer game play. Not having to press roar in st is fkn moneyyyy

[uneven schooner]

i like slayers buttons better personally

[tepid cedar]

I think my first roar is usually after like 1 min 40 sec when I finally have to press it lol

Around there. It’s niceee

[uneven schooner]

wait why is that the case?

[chilly fractal]

Because Roar sucks

[uneven schooner]

is roar really just that low prio?

[tepid cedar]

^^ yes

[uneven schooner]

damn

[tepid cedar]

Basically think of roar as a filler

If you have nothing to press in st

Instead of a WW

You got roar