fury

[restive peak]

Bro LOL

[fading sky]

What was cap?

[gleaming siren]

5

at 55% damage effectiveness

[fading sky]

3813

[fossil orbit]

65% ?

[fading sky]

So 5 fury warriors if im lookin correct

[winter shoal]

Next patch imp ww is 65% yeah, currently 55%

[muted tulip]

I think 10 fury

[fading sky]

49 arms warriors

Im lookin now on io and only 5 are above line

[undone flower]

Better than MM with the nerfs no ?

The nerf on the bounce of MM is too much

[winter shoal]

If you believe azor then MM might as well not even exist

Very reliable and trustworthy

[covert coyote]

[undone flower]

I don’t really like azor that much tbf

Or the hunt discord, it was very feelycrafty a period (I mean the ppl hanging out there), I think it got better tho

[plush zephyr]

[winter shoal]

I'm sure azor is a perfectly good and smart guy, never interacted with him

But the sandbagging is elite

[undone flower]

I used to be a hunter in bfa/SL btw

Warrior always has been my side bitch

Until TWW

[plush zephyr]

[plush zephyr]

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/zombielandsaga-sakura-minamoto-xd-gif-627758404327754450

[plush zephyr]

Loool Hunter is going to be my side bitch this season either BM or sv

[marble pilot]

I was a hunter in classic through mop. Then warrior ever since. Now if I try hunter it feels bad. Dealing with pets is annoying af

[undone flower]

Not every warrior found the water in the desert instantly

[plush zephyr]

@dense elbow we’re camels

[dense elbow]

I got a nice fill for my bumps during TWW beta, I am good till the next expansion

[undone flower]

Belly dancers*

[warm crag]

20 vs 2483

[dense elbow]

... not sure if factual, or not...

[gleaming siren]

Spongie57 would never lie

[undone flower]

I don’t think there is more than 2000 titles in Europe, would be weird mage got 2500

[dense elbow]

1400 characters, if you trust raider.io

[undone flower]

For title ? Or mage ?

[dense elbow]

For title range EU

1k for NA

that is 2400

Korea is another 130

[undone flower]

Okok it was expected, it was 1700 ppl last season,

[dense elbow]

China is another 1800

[undone flower]

China has a billion titles

[dense elbow]

Taiwan another 50

So, it is techincally possible that there are 2483 mages

[undone flower]

Yes, it is possible, now that I remember there is minimum 9000 titles in China

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-biggest-peice-of-dogshit-peice-of-shit-gif-13354334831488207353

[eternal sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-witch-doctor-mano-tiki-tia-gif-15319797

[undone flower]

Dont’ spoil me, I was about to start the video

5 h oof

[covert coyote]

we didn't even get a discussion cause Crit had to sleep, we just got a paragraph memeing on ourselves

[dense elbow]

DPS warrior, 3min, short and concise.

Warlocks: 30min of "dont look at sims, they are bugged. Dont look at PTR performance, there were bugs. Did I mention sims are not correct? Sims are not correct btw, we are actually 200k behind"

[covert coyote]

yeah at this point everyone knows the highest performer is the first to the gallows so nobody will admit they're good

[trail thunder]

lowkeym cap

you cant sim in the upper third, cleave with no single target loss, be hard to kill and have a raidbuff and then drop yourself in low B

cmon

[dense elbow]

Friendly reminder, untill RWF is over and two weeks has passed...

[trail thunder]

have some dignity

[jolly marten]

i was lower

[trail thunder]

actually no, delete my previous post

i agree

[radiant plank]

Well this tank clearly caterd and played around the destros infernal CD and only pulled big when it was up. Definetly nothing to do with destro just being strong regardless

[dense elbow]

suprised he didnt end around 10m, but oh well

[slim coral]

Never passed a kidney stone in my life

[dense elbow]

so you never passed anything

[covert coyote]

clearly passed the hydration checks with that record

[radiant plank]

GG fury is bad. Zorthas said so

[jolly marten]

as soome as blizz buff the right spec its becomes op.. they can buff warriors all day and still be middle of the pck at best

[dense elbow]

B is for Bad

[jolly marten]

make a wild guess why windwalker is right next to fury in this tierlist

[eternal sundial]

my egirl

[radiant plank]

Sure, it doesnt do enough ST

[trail thunder]

odds on arms getting a juiced aura buff for heroic week and suddenly it owns on the last 2 bosses, taking bets

[eternal sundial]

0

psure there is no hc week

[dense elbow]

No aurabuffs needed, Arms will giga demolish during damage amps and be nerfed

[covert coyote]

this had better be cap

[warm crag]

its on a tier list so its absolute truth

[covert coyote]

Do we think that tierlist would be S tier on the tier list tier list?

[fluid pollen]

Fury is good, girls. You’re just bad.

[jolly marten]

before the latest changes but ww aint bad in st for sure

[olive wraith]

Depends if you take other tier list tier list into consideration. Might need a tier list for tier list tier lists next week

[earnest canyon]

Don't forget the tier list of tier list creators that make tiers of tier lists

[olive wraith]

Ooooh you right

[covert coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[trail thunder]

what was furies current season 3 sim? 5.7 something?

[cursive ridge]

5.9

looking strong

[trail thunder]

oi

B tier btw

[cursive ridge]

ya b tier is cap

[trail thunder]

sandbag, gaslight, girlboss

[thick fossil]

I'm watching some clips from Max's tier list. Listening to the hunter guy, lmao.

[spare steppe]

Sin being that high surprises me

Shits awful to play on ST

[torpid garden]

Azor was in the survival hunter channel just before asking about what/ why to rank it lol

[thick fossil]

[undone flower]

And between post RWF tuning and .5 💵 💵 💵

[thick fossil]

lol, oh noes, MM can burst for 60mil and 6 in ST. All because of the RnG. uh huh uh huh

[torpid garden]

Wasn’t as big of a Sandbag as the lock guy though lol

[thick fossil]

Oh really? I'll have to dig up that one. Sounds juicy.

[torpid garden]

Locks are absolutely going crazy style lol

[sullen dove]

kala is omega rat

[thick fossil]

Were Locks at the top of that ST sim thing a few days ago?

[earnest canyon]

I thought azor justified his answer well....he said lower keys like 10-12 MM does blast, but at higher keys its crap cos of RnG, and shit prio damage....but he shouldnt be answering the top 1% or whatever cos most people that watch that tier shit arent in that

[sullen dove]

“we went into this season looking mid but then turns out we were really good on all bosses and were op”

[torpid garden]

They still are yes lol. Destro has joined the top as well

[winter shoal]

Yes, kalamazi said that's bc the sim does degenerate things that real players don't that buffs them a couple hundred k, but he's a known sandbagger and also even then both demo and destro are top performers

[thick fossil]

That's comedy gold.

[sullen dove]

bro how degenerate could pushing buttons get

actual yapper

unless you’re like upside down solving a Rubik’s cube hitting it from the back no apl is hard to follow

esp not warlock shit has like 5 buttons

[thick fossil]

At this point, yeah, no class is hard anymore. Though some are sooo horribly simple it's almost straight boring.

[winter shoal]

simple != boring in the same way complex != fun

but yeah some specs stink

looking at you sin rogue

[thick fossil]

Ret Pally and BM Hunter, yuck.

[winter shoal]

Ret would be good if you didn't just run out of buttons to press sometimes

[slim coral]

arcane is still kinda wild in the opener

[winter shoal]

You mean you don't have

actions.spellslinger=shifting_power,if=(((((action.arcane_orb.charges=talent.charged_orb)&cooldown.arcane_orb.remains)|cooldown.touch_of_the_magi.remains<23)&buff.arcane_surge.down&buff.siphon_storm.down&debuff.touch_of_the_magi.down&(buff.intuition.react=0|(buff.intuition.react&buff.intuition.remains>cast_time))&cooldown.touch_of_the_magi.remains>(12+6*gcd.max))|(prev_gcd.1.arcane_barrage&talent.shifting_shards&(buff.intuition.react=0|(buff.intuition.react&buff.intuition.remains>cast_time))&(buff.arcane_surge.up|debuff.touch_of_the_magi.up|cooldown.evocation.remains<20)))&fight_remains>10&(buff.arcane_tempo.remains>gcd.max*2.5|buff.arcane_tempo.down)

memorized?

[eternal sundial]

if sp up press thing

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-brennan-huff-step-brothers-no-not-at-all-gif-16704124883174027526

[main hound]

Huge fury buffs announced for Monday

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-box-gif-4154066459530846772

[flat river]

actually?

or u trolling

[olive wraith]

No thanks

[olive wraith]

How would some rando know?

[main hound]

My dads husband works at blizzard

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-believe-you-gif-24248233

[restive peak]

Bro if fury gets buff monday, reroll

[olive wraith]

Buffed Monday= shot in 2 weeks

[restive peak]

Cuz it's gonna make S1 look like childs play with the nuke we'd eat a week later

We are giga fuckin good going into the patch currently

[olive wraith]

Nono we are b tier

Tuning avoidance is bis rn

[dense elbow]

Lincc out here spewing lies, pretending that OF dont need gigabuffs

[thick fossil]

Listening to his part now, lol, wanting raid buff and more utility? Wow, that is wild.

[restive peak]

Bro Kalamazi saying that was hilarious

Talk about trying anything to pretend you're not busted

Also "oh yeah things players won't do" YEAH MAN LIQUID AND ECHO PLAYERS TOTALLY WONT DO THE HARDER ROTATION FOR DMG

[plush zephyr]

Bro basically said “good players play good and reflect the sim but most players aren’t good players” loool

[thick fossil]

How does that even make sense when it comes to sims?

https://tenor.com/view/jackie-chan-meme-what-confused-huh-gif-9211712295268335918

[restive peak]

It's the ultimate "they know the sim how do I sandbag anyway"

[plush zephyr]

I get what they’re saying. But, they can also fuck off lmaaao. When I heard it I fell out.

[dense elbow]

Come on, we all gotta agree that the "only the best player will be able to be doing 'decent' damage" line was a good one

10/10, would recommend again

[thick fossil]

At least he didn't put the specs all in Dobby like Azor did.

[restive peak]

Bro if you can't handle WoW rotations

You should probably stop playing video games in 2025 fr

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[graceful elk]

Think warrior gets any buffs before the raid comes out?

[dense elbow]

why you do me like that

Doubt it - but if we are behind, we will get buffs

so dont worry about it

[restive peak]

We do not need a buff

[thick fossil]

As it stands, I think I'll stick out with this sinking ship till S1 Midnight. If Warrior is still trash, with no big improvements I'm done with WoW.

[warm crag]

warriors need a 19% emergency buff do not listen to linccstyle crossed swords check the pins 23:11

[dense elbow]

OF needs a buff, I will throw hands at ya

[plush zephyr]

My grandparents got a Switch 2 cause their doctor said it would be good for their mental health (also to get my grandfather to stop falling off ladders) maybe I can build them a pc and get them on wow. I need to show them that grandma wow streamer lmao.

[thick fossil]

WoWgrandma, she's a really nice lady. I do some M+ with her from time to time.

[plush zephyr]

That’s awesome I saw a couple of her clips seems dope

[restive peak]

Damn Spongie knows my full name bro

[plush zephyr]

Lincc talking about people not being able to do rotations made me think of her lol

[restive peak]

WoWgrandma is goated for other reasons man

[plush zephyr]

Cause shes what? And still plays just fine

[thick fossil]

She's almost 80

[covert coyote]

she's just ahead of the curve. in 50 years this whole disc will be wowgrandmas

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/monique-samuels-monique-rhop-real-housewives-of-potomac-real-housewives-housewives-gif-18082427

[plush zephyr]

There’s already grandparents in here lol

[thick fossil]

Shut up Steeliv.......

[covert coyote]

We're gonna be in VR using perfect 1 button rotation secret addons and still gettin CE

[restive peak]

Bro I'm on my way to her age too

We ball

[covert coyote]

as long as the retirement home got that fiberoptic

[thick fossil]

Sign me up.

And fiber net for our internet cafe. Where we play WoW.

[restive peak]

That FR would be so sick

[covert coyote]

the actual future

guys do I have to actually go hit leg day to retain my warrior status? Or should I just skip the gym and reroll to some other soy class?

[dense elbow]

Never skip leg day

[restive peak]

Bro

If you skip leg day we're gonna ban you

Wtf

[thick fossil]

never skip any PT day

[restive peak]

Why do men hate legs? Squatting 900lbs on the hack squat makes me feel like I can break a building down bro

[dense elbow]

That is 400kg, or close to half a ton, for us non-NA's

[dense elbow]

Phone crops are always so weird lookin

[covert coyote]

Alright, I gotta go hit it rn then before they close. Can't afford to get banned from Skyhold

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313

[dense elbow]

Skyhold addiction saves another person from skipping legday

today was a productive day

[restive peak]

Proud of you bro

@radiant plank is my goated fitness disciple, he'd be offended if you skipped legs too

[winter shoal]

I mean kinda based honestly

[olive wraith]

Squatting while being tall isn’t fun

[earnest canyon]

https://youtu.be/9vWgSTdkc2A?t=36

[plush zephyr]

Bowwl no. Stop. 😂

[winter shoal]

Lincc what are your thoughts about conjugate for raw lifters

[dense elbow]

looks like he trying to lay an egg

[covert coyote]

last leg day I tried to get my first set of 3 squatting 205 lbs (I'm 152lbs) and went down for the 3rd rep and couldn't get back up. let the bar roll off my back and it bonked my elbow and it's still goobered

[winter shoal]

Always squat with safeties and/or a spotter you goofball

Any barbell lift in general actually

[restive peak]

I'm 6'2 w long femurs bruh I know hahaha

Squat on a back loaded hack squat bro

[olive wraith]

6’3” here it’s pain

[restive peak]

That's the key to longevity

[winter shoal]

Pendulum squat is my goat

[slim coral]

I squat solo

[restive peak]

Barbell squatting if you aren't a competing powerlifter is dumb as shit

Pendulum also good

[winter shoal]

Dead by the end of the year gg

[summer quail]

hey that is not accurate. i am genz!

[dense elbow]

Bazed will be missed

[summer quail]

barely

[restive peak]

Basically if you're loading your spine and upper back and relying on shoulder mobility and stability for leg gains, you deserve the injuries you get

[olive wraith]

I’m also not a gym bro so I’m sure my technique is awful

And I’m scared of blowing out my knees

[earnest canyon]

you can blow out your ass and get an anal prolapse

[covert coyote]

the hack squat machines at my gym always fuck up my shoulders, they feel so awkward

[winter shoal]

I think there's value in training spinal load, but also you can use an ssb for that

[olive wraith]

That’s why I’m scared to deadlift

[radiant plank]

Hack squat my beloved

[restive peak]

You guys have a dogshit hacksquat, and I don't mean the quad dominant depth hack squat

Let me find what I mean

[winter shoal]

The fuck kind of hack squats use your shoulders in any way

[plush zephyr]

Do gym bros not troll other gym bros for not using a spotter? I never went to public gyms but when I did wrestling and weight lifting if you didn’t have a spotter you’d get trolled.

[covert coyote]

like the pads on my shoulder just cut into them because they're old and busted

[winter shoal]

Not having a spotter is fine if you have the safeties set up. If you don't and you fail the lift, that's on you

[restive peak]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FS8jLkNB6MY

This is goated

[restive peak]

1st half of the video, other is good for bodybuilders and such but meh overall

[winter shoal]

This video had a weird vibe idk

I feel seduced I think

[restive peak]

It was the 1st 1 I could find lmao

[radiant plank]

Finally started working out in a gym with adductor machine ❤️‍🩹

[winter shoal]

Just do copenhagen planks

[restive peak]

NOICEEEEE

[winter shoal]

And pull sumo

[covert coyote]

anyway. gonna go do the thing and bubonic split squats until I fall over

[radiant plank]

split squats in the great 2025 🥀

[winter shoal]

ATG split squats goated for knee health

[restive peak]

DB in front loaded lunges babyyyyyyy

[winter shoal]

Like a goblet squat type shit?

[radiant plank]

Hack squat, adductor, leg extension, sldl, hipthrust, leg curl, calve press

S+ tier leg day

[winter shoal]

Training calves xdd

Imagine

[radiant plank]

I train calves for past 5months first thing every leg day

2 sets of standing calf raises 6-8 reps

[summer quail]

if you want big calves get fat. being overweight does alot for calves

[plush zephyr]

Glute bridges, pistols, shrimps, harrop curls. Everyday was leg day doing gymnastics.

[radiant plank]

so ur saying train isometrics for your calves

[winter shoal]

The fuck is a harrop curl

[restive peak]

No no

I don't even know how to explain without a video

[winter shoal]

Oh it's like a nordic curl?

[radiant plank]

nordic curl

[winter shoal]

I'm a GHR kinda guy personally

Can do situps on it between sets too

Banger

[plush zephyr]

https://youtu.be/nrDbjGVxjXE?si=lXnzqjbGQ2E4iFGW

Gotta do em for cheerleading/gymnastics

[winter shoal]

Gymnasts are built dif

[restive peak]

So you setup for a lunge and you hold 1 DB directly in front of the leg thats back with your hand pronated

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/zyzz-uptempo-zyzz-fist-bump-gif-25235668

[winter shoal]

I did one (1) day of gymnastics in college and got super dizzy from somersaulting and left

[radiant plank]

Rate my torso day

[restive peak]

And it's quite literally the best lunge for all of my clients, easiest way to get them to lunge directly up and down while learning to stabilize, and it helps with balance because the weight offsets the front leg

[slim coral]

W take

[winter shoal]

Walking lunge or do all your reps on one side in place and switch?

[restive peak]

No just stationary and swap

[restive peak]

Usually 20-30s between sides for heavier sets

[restive peak]

I'd put into sections and alternate what you start with each week (chest/shouldies - back) but I am proudge

[winter shoal]

Coming from powerlifting I'm wondering where all the chest work is

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/pulchra-zzz-zenless-zone-zero-pulchra-fellini-petting-petting-cat-gif-11768009038236840940

[radiant plank]

pec deck + incline press

[winter shoal]

Where's your comp bench, paused bench, close grip bench, spoto press, etc

smh my head

[restive peak]

You def don't need more than 2 chest movements to failure per day

Fuckin powerlifters LMAO

[radiant plank]

My tricep movements are on my limb day

[winter shoal]

If I'm not doing 16+ sets a week of comp bench and close variations, why am I even here

Oh rolling tricep extensions and weighted dips also absolute heaters

[slim coral]

Nah its on a string

[restive peak]

Weighted dips weighted pull ups absolutely goated

[radiant plank]

@winter shoal

[restive peak]

Rockin a solid 65lbs hangin for a set of 6 at 267 BW rn

[slim coral]

Its not a free weight it’s supported mechanically

[restive peak]

Backs gonna look disgusting when I shred shred

[winter shoal]

I was never a fan of dips until I started doing EMOM sets of like 3-5 to build up shoulder tolerance, now they get my shit going like nothing else

[restive peak]

Yeah I spend a solid 10ish mins warming up my shoulders at this ripe age of 36

[winter shoal]

Leg press after all that nonsense is wild, also why are triceps in there twice

[restive peak]

If I don't, my 1st pressing movement feels like I'm grinding the gears of a car

[radiant plank]

Long head bias on strict pushdown and medial head bias on extension

[sturdy crown]

anti freedom units in 2025 🦅

[winter shoal]

(I'm just fuckin with you Walhe, I don't know shit about fuck and also if you enjoy your training that's all that really matters)

[radiant plank]

well its jm press but im too lazy to change exercisd

[plush zephyr]

My back has abs and it looks gross

[winter shoal]

JM press can die in a fire actually

Cursed movement

[radiant plank]

Guillotine

Feels good

[restive peak]

Listen bro I'm fuckin canadian

[plush zephyr]

for now

[sturdy crown]

good for canadian and you

[restive peak]

Walhe followin our boi Paul Carter for sure

I'm down for us becoming a state IDGAF man

[winter shoal]

Holy

Paul Carter might be the kalamazi of lifting

Or maybe the Izen of lifting

[restive peak]

I wouldn't say that

[radiant plank]

following my goat keenanmalloy and mundy

[winter shoal]

Just sayin shit

[slim coral]

Don’t forget to get your dark moon fair buffs guys

For the rep gains

[radiant plank]

PC is like mike jizzratel tier dogass

[sturdy crown]

💀

[restive peak]

I think the problem for PC at this point is he actually DID interpret a lot of studies properly ahead of a lot of people accepting fitness changes

But now he can't accept that was peak, and he's gone off the rails a bit

[slim coral]

It’s important if you want the augment rune

[winter shoal]

Mike Israetel fell into the classic trap of running out of shit to talk about so he had to start branching out into things he knew nothing about or just making mountains out of molehills

[restive peak]

Isratael is the same, they just can't accept "hey we figured it out"

[sturdy crown]

sorry all I do is log in, pug some 19-20s, lose my sanity and log off

[radiant plank]

Mike and his stretch mediated bullshit

[restive peak]

I consistently tell my clients if I start changing your shit every few months randomly, you should be concerned

[plush zephyr]

Actually thank you for the reminder

[radiant plank]

500k home gym, surgery for love handles (didnt do shit)

And then he does decline pushups on a smith

🥀

[restive peak]

LMAO

[winter shoal]

"[thing] probably a has anywhere from no effect to a small positive effect, do it if you want" just isn't very engaging content to put out if you make a living yapping about lifting online

[radiant plank]

well mikes problem is that his cult (erik janiki) is about smh

which has been proven to be temporary

[winter shoal]

Esp when in reality 95% of people just want to do movements that are fun and feel good

[sturdy crown]

have you heard NBA Youngboy without autotune before?

[radiant plank]

and it starts atrophying so much faster than hypertrophy from mechanical tension

[winter shoal]

No but I saw an article saying he had his 15th kid or something

[plush zephyr]

15th?!?

[winter shoal]

Bro what the fuck are you even saying

[radiant plank]

and top it off that most muscles like biceps dont benefit from smh

[winter shoal]

"hypertrophy from mechanical tension" is a crazy statement

[restive peak]

SMH works on untrained people

So does EVERYTHING else

Anytime you see a study on untrained, just close it

It's legit pointless data

[radiant plank]

mechanical tension on muscles is the main driver of hypertrophy

[restive peak]

Yeah MT is the driver of muscle tissue growth, but it's not the driver of strength

So powerlifters don't really chase it as much for loaded timeframes

[winter shoal]

I don't think there is sufficient evidence to say it's the MAIN driver, but it is A driver sure. But you can't have resistance training of any kind without mechanical tension

[radiant plank]

Its the only "proven" driver

[restive peak]

Nah at this point there are enough studies to say it's likely the most important of the driving factors

[radiant plank]

out of all science we have so far

[restive peak]

For TISSUE GROWTH

[winter shoal]

Walhe did you read the SBS article

[restive peak]

Specifically

[radiant plank]

Which one

[winter shoal]

https://www.strongerbyscience.com/volume/

[restive peak]

You wanna take this to DMs Div?

[radiant plank]

I have consumed gazillion articles since lincc linked me few ones like less than yr ago

[restive peak]

❤️

I read that when you sent it to me Big, I still disagree with some of his conclusions because they're his opinion, but I understand his hypothesis

[winter shoal]

The whole discussion of epistemology with respect to strength training research is the applicable part here

[restive peak]

There are some things we truly may NEVER fully understand, because genetics seem to play a quite noteable factor in this as well

[radiant plank]

Drop a tldr?

[sturdy crown]

yo yo yo I thought you had something going with Canadian

[radiant plank]

He believes high volume = more hypetrophy?

Arnolds propaganda 🥀

[winter shoal]

I mean (and Greg says this himself) it's purely an academic interest for most people; training hard and being consistent is pretty much all that really matters for most people

[restive peak]

And that has VERY little to do with any specific lifting style, we'd really need a group of identical genetics individuals (lol gl) to finalize everything

There ARE studies where certain individuals responded better to higher volume, but in repeat studies they consistently were the only ones who did

[winter shoal]

The evidence that we have suggests as much, but we don't have much evidence on it really. That's not really the part I meant tho

[sturdy crown]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-yapping-level-today-catastrophic-yapanese-gif-13513208407930173397

[restive peak]

You also have to realize a lot of the high volume people use steroids, which DRASTICALLY changes everything

[plush zephyr]

[winter shoal]

https://www.strongerbyscience.com/volume/#h-a-brief-epistemological-detour-nbsp

[restive peak]

Reparation types, muscle atrophy is almost impossible, the tissue can handle more output via ATP and glycogen protection etc

[sturdy crown]

I love the way you emphasize certain words

[plush zephyr]

Could go to #arms and start a train

[winter shoal]

linked to the relevant section

Get ready to learn english words you've never seen buddy

[restive peak]

Like if we wanted to get really deep, technically higher volume IS most effective when on test and basically any other compound

[radiant plank]

Well I agree with thr fact that volume = growth BUT there is a certain amount volume that a NATURAL can recover from to keep making progress in the gym. The only people to see success from crazy high volume are steroid users and high volume training became popular during the late 1900's when steroids became more and more common aka the "golden era". If you look back to pre steroid bronze and silver era lifters Most of them built crazy good physiques doing full body workouts with low to medium but recoverable volumes. Most of todays volume pushing agenda comes from ppl appeling to authority of high volume training like arnold did. But take a look at ronnie coleman the undisputed goat of bb. He did ONE working set per EXERCISE per day on his program even on roids. The 4x10 propaganda that people push about ronnies training is actually 3 warmuos +1 working, which you can easily check for yourself by watching ronnies training dvd vids on youtube.

[restive peak]

But it's also a useless metric when talking to the general public of it all because they won't be on juice lol

Walhe went in and also I AM FUCKIN PROUD OF YOU BIG DOG

[winter shoal]

"The only people to see success from crazy high volume are steroid users" I'm gonna stop you right there chief lmao

[restive peak]

A year ago I was building him a program and explaining stuff proud proud, love you @radiant plank

[sturdy crown]

https://tenor.com/view/eat-gif-21427723

[radiant plank]

On an endless crusade against the high volume propaganda Arnold pushed into the fitness scene

[restive peak]

I mean even Arnold admits he knew fuckall and was just a beast

[winter shoal]

also the appeal to authority is mentioned in the SBS article I linked if which you would know if you read it

[radiant plank]

even today I felt arnolds propaganda. Asked a gym unc how many sets of pec deck he had left and he said to me with a straight face "9"

[sturdy crown]

https://tenor.com/view/arnold-schwarzenegger-arnold-арнольд-gif-4452228115641795719

[winter shoal]

Based king

[restive peak]

9 sets LMFAOOOO

How to absolutely giga fuck your shoulders and overtrain brutally until you have upper cross syndrome/10 ass lifter

We love that

[radiant plank]

I cant imagine how fucked my shouldrr would be if I did 9 sets of 6-8 reps to failure 💔

[restive peak]

It's ok you'd definitely do leg day

Cuz you wouldn't be able to upper for 6 months

LMAO

[winter shoal]

Nahhh you guys are makin shit up, 9 sets isn't at all abnormal in many contexts

Like it would be very normal if someone said they were doing 3 sets bench, 3 sets incline db, 3 sets pec deck

[radiant plank]

9 sets per session sounds like smth rich piana does

[winter shoal]

Bro is just doing all pec deck

[radiant plank]

it would not be very normal ia ssure you

[restive peak]

No I'd still think that person was a dumbass

[winter shoal]

I mean I'm not saying it's a GOOD idea

[restive peak]

Unless they were a powerlifter doing sets of 4-6 for purely strength and with 5-6m breaks

[winter shoal]

Just that it's not as fried as it may initially seem

[winter shoal]

Sets of 4-6 on pec deck is diabolical

[restive peak]

If you can fail on 2 sets of a pressing movement, truly fail, and 2 sets of flyes, there is legit ZERO reason to do another chest exercise that day

Either you failed aka the tissue has been stimulated, or you didn't fail and you did it wrong so your reasoning for another press is "I'm a lazy idiot"

[winter shoal]

If you're taking 9 sets to RPE10 in one day you're on crack I agree

[radiant plank]

replace the press with an upper chest biased movement and its golden

[restive peak]

This guy

https://www.openpowerlifting.org/u/andychilds

Was my front end manager at 1 of my gyms, he did that shit

[winter shoal]

415 dots

[radiant plank]

RPE is strength propaganda. Just program properly and u wont have to deload ❤️‍🩹

[restive peak]

I mean I consider an inclined press a press movement still 😛

I mean this was 50+ powerlifting hahaha

[winter shoal]

That's not what RPE is for you dingus

I mean not exclusively

[radiant plank]

I mean RPE7 set for a set of 7 reps

you probably have 3 reps in reserve

maybe 4

[restive peak]

Oh yeah that's dumb as shit

Alright I gotta leave my PC, sadness, love you guys, more fitness talks asap

[winter shoal]

RPE 7 is defined as 3 reps in reserve yes

[radiant plank]

Now

Imagine you did rpe10 every set but managed volume properly, you wouldnt need an rpe7 set for the deload effect

From hypertrophy pov ofc

[winter shoal]

The contention would be you could do more volume if you didn't take every set to a 10, and still accumulate the same fatigue

[radiant plank]

Powerlifting pov I see sub rpe9 sets as a way to manage your joint stress if you are training 1-5 Rep range

[winter shoal]

Walhe are you gonna read the article or

Maybe a Schoenfeld meta analysis

[radiant plank]

i am alt tabbing yed

254 minutes isnt a quick read

[winter shoal]

Don't need to be doing a 9 to get a hypertrophy stimulus

[radiant plank]

[winter shoal]

And certainly don't for strength adaptations

[olive wraith]

Look at these lifting nerds in here

[winter shoal]

No content in game to yap about, gotta yap about real life instead gg

[olive wraith]

Yall are in the wrong channel. Should be #arms

[radiant plank]

Most mechanical tension and motor unit recruitment happens at the last 5 reps before failure so I would argue a set of 5-6 at rpe10 is the most hypertrophic set you could do from pure science pov

[winter shoal]

Aint no way bro is using the effective reps model in the year of our lord 2025

(I know that's not what you said but I am yapping anyways)

I think you could argue that if we knew that mechanical tension and motor unit recruitment wholly explained hypertrophic stimulus and adaptations

I'm contending that we don't know that, and therefore cannot make that claim

It may or may not be true, but we don't know it is true

But also your joints are going to be omega fried if you rip an RPE10 set of 5 on pec deck

[radiant plank]

Just eat more omega3s

[radiant plank]

been ripping 4-6 sets of pec deck at rpe10 for 6-8 reps for past half a year(and every other exercise) and I have not had fried joints yet following a upper lower rest repeat program

[earnest canyon]

you guys should talk about this in the appropriate channel: #transmog

[plush zephyr]

oh I thought you were going to say go to the off topic channel #arms

[winter shoal]

Aren't you like 20

Your joints are immortal

[radiant plank]

24 soon

[earnest canyon]

no you talked about legs and stuff.....arms doesnt understand that

[radiant plank]

Pushing unc status basically

[winter shoal]

I mean like I said, far and away the most important thing is that you enjoy what you're doing and you do it consistently

And I'd say secondary to that is not getting injured

Everything on top of that is just icing on the cake

[hybrid cloud]

Talking about lifting. What I love to see in my fury channel.

[radiant plank]

Also im my own experiment og high volume low volume high frequenct low frequency studies

[hybrid cloud]

💪

[plush zephyr]

nah safety always first lmao

[radiant plank]

I have personally seen most growth following the training style of low volume high frequency style of bronze and silver age of bb

If I had more time per day to gym i would do fullbody every other day

1-2 rpe10 sets in 6-8 rep range per muscle grp

[quiet geyser]

Every study has shown hitting a specific muscle for low volume, multiple times per week has a WAY bigger impact on hypertrophy than high volume 1x per week

People who still spend a whole day just on chest

Baffle me

[radiant plank]

but rich piana did 20 sets of biceps per day and his biceps were huge!!!!!!

[winter shoal]

I mean you can argue that it's part of "consistency" but realistically I think it's a moot point bc most people won't enjoy training that injures them

[radiant plank]

i think consistency is too loose of a term since even if you workout consistently but your your training, sleep and diet are not there its joe er

Like u hit legs twice week at rpe5 for 15 reps sure u are consistent but yout legs aint growing

[bitter palm]

6 HOUR ARM WORKOUT

[radiant plank]

8 hours noob

[bitter palm]

goat

[plush zephyr]

I think it comes from coaching/being a dad lmao. Safety first, period. Have never seen anything bad happen lifting weights but I've seen some gnarly injuries in gymnastics from people solely not taking everyday precautions.

[bitter palm]

forgor

still goat

gone too soon

[radiant plank]

Safety can be easily guaranteed by not doing difficult exercises with free weights, ex. bb squat, bench, military press

[sinful spoke]

@slim coral u played frost how does the new breath work

[plush zephyr]

Not really, can't just go straight into them or any work out without stretching/warming up.

=safety

[arctic salmon]

i do box squats everyday when i get off my chair to get another mountain dew and bag of cheetos

[plush zephyr]

Deon Sanders level goated

CHEETAH DONT STRETCH

[radiant plank]

well warming up is a given regardless of safety reason or not. Stretching on the other hand can actually be dangerous if done before lifting(mostly the case if you do static stretches) but a good coach should always program a newbie with safe and easy to learn movements and highligh important of warmups

[plush zephyr]

I hate weight lifting idk how ppl do it

[winter shoal]

Every gymnast I've ever seen has been injured lmao

[bitter palm]

i mean no safety against that pretty much no amount of warming up can save u

when u are giga stressing ur body every day

[radiant plank]

Gymnasts do static streching alot as a "warmup"

which is a big increase to their injury chance

[bitter palm]

tbf all my experience is tied to football so idk other sports

[radiant plank]

also gymnasts would really benefit if their coaches stopped thinking like its still 1950

[undone flower]

SOCCER

[bitter palm]

we did 20-25 minutes pre game/practice warmup and u would still get injured easily but football is a lot of high intensity balance shifts which will ruin ur ankles/knees

but the biggest issue

is that they expect u to play when u have minor injuries

and thats what leads to 99% of serious injuries

the other 1% are fouls

[undone flower]

The only sports I did was judo, a local style of bowling and pétanque

[radiant plank]

Football and other sports like it out alot of stress on your ankle joints whilst ignoring the training of your supporting muscles downthere.

[tranquil nimbus]

this is what peak fury warrior performance looks like

[undone flower]

Yes I tried football in college but it was too much

[bitter palm]

once u get to professional level it gets better but a lot of serious injuries later in the career can be backtracked to injuries when u were 15

cause once u get injured

u are not the same

[radiant plank]

Just train your tibialis

Brutal 🥀

[bitter palm]

train my balsl

🥀

if ronaldo gets injured everyone gets injured

literal peak fitness

in his younger days

[tranquil nimbus]

3x Sets of 12 Steps on Balls for Maximum hypertrophy

[bitter palm]

and still had a terrifying knee injury

[bitter palm]

thats just playing arms

@radiant plank if 5 subs was more common there would be way less injuries

most injuries come later into the game when u are tired

and dont have full control over your body

cause then u force yourself

[radiant plank]

90minutes of ankle joint isometrics

[bitter palm]

coaches stuck in 1970s

wcyd

[radiant plank]

fatigue debt being passed down atleast 100 generations

[bitter palm]

"just full force for 90 minutes whats the issue"

then 6 months later when u break ur ankle knee and everything imaginable cause of built up minor fractures

"how did u get injured!!"

[bitter palm]

unironically i think most injuries in sports are due to outdated mentality by coaches and staff in general

[radiant plank]

yep

[bitter palm]

they think u can just turn up everything to 100% for 90+ minutes

[undone flower]

Meanwhile professional MMA fighters can’t be at 100% for 10 min

But kids can smh

Sport teachers are weird

[whole remnant]

hello

[slim coral]

It’s capped to 30 seconds

[junior gale]

breath shoulda stayed empowered was a cool idea

[bitter palm]

hello rodwave

[whole remnant]

boooound to falling in loooooove

[smoky vale]

bro i need cheap myrtdh to login on na asap

[whole remnant]

haha gio57 cant get title

sorry.

https://tenor.com/view/cool-fun-white-cat-dance-cool-and-fun-times-gif-16435335956387921912

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-images-gif-17709842334239461541

https://tenor.com/view/aicat-spidey-ai-cat-spiderman-gif-6867002506310463728

[junior gale]

real

[bitter palm]

haha gio57 cant get title

sorry.

https://tenor.com/view/cool-fun-white-cat-dance-cool-and-fun-times-gif-16435335956387921912

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-images-gif-17709842334239461541

https://tenor.com/view/aicat-spidey-ai-cat-spiderman-gif-6867002506310463728

[junior gale]

real

[covert coyote]

Alright. Leg day complete and I didn’t even hurt myself.

[sinful spoke]

sadge

[winter shoal]

Love to hear it

[slim coral]

here's the opener

in aoe repalce oblit with fsc

[smoky vale]

oh nah playing rider

[sinful spoke]

i miss infinite breath

[slim coral]

yeah rider fucks

[brittle crow]

how do i convince myself to buy more plushies

[slim coral]

just remind yourself you'll make the money back

[brittle crow]

yea im trying..

ive already spent a fair bit tho

[silk wharf]

Does the pillar buff apply to the frostwryms as it's flying?

[sinful spoke]

guys hows my mog

[slim coral]

idk but it doesnt do much anyways

[smoky vale]

@ebon junco

look tmy

[smoky vale]

furry incarnate

[chilly fractal]

Did you guys see that black and gold chess themed set from the trading post? Incredible looking imo

[olive wraith]

I hope no one checks

[bitter palm]

idk looks like a chess board

[thick fossil]

Hey hey, Beat Saber is fucking awesome and a good cardio workout.

[covert coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-hotday-gif-21834546

[olive wraith]

I’ve never seen that kind of knight to b4

[cursive ridge]

is slayer simming super high bait?

[brittle crow]

no we're just goated

pls nerf

[cursive ridge]

just trying to understand why some big names are calling it mid/average but it seems like, above average. looking to learn why

[modest condor]

because sim numbers mean nothing

[olive wraith]

Because others sandbag

[junior gale]

its not bait its just always gonna sim well compared to actual performance

thanks to mechanics and uptime

[modest condor]

if you sim really high but it's just a flat damage profile without burst and requires uptime, but a raid boss has downtime and damage amps, then you're still gonna be bad even if you sim high

[cursive ridge]

ya I guess uptime is the biggest confounding factor for sims

since movement doesnt matter for melee

[frank dawn]

And fury has one of the largest losses for downtime

Downtime sucks for anyone obviously but it sucks more for us than most

[bitter palm]

does your spec have some cdr mechanic like anger management?

if yes ur spec sucks giga on downtime

[junior gale]

Outlaw moment

[bitter palm]

outlaw gets removed when downtime

[bitter palm]

at least arms and fury can choose right

[junior gale]

[restive peak]

Bro I really want them to buff colossus so we can burst phase these bosses as colossus

The only time demolish feels good is damage amps or when it massive crits everything

But when it does…it feels so good

[junior gale]

spear demolish on silken court

[restive peak]

The good times

[dense elbow]

#arms to the void with ya! Spawn of Trolls!

[undone flower]

I did silken court last week, I don’t miss that boss

[olive wraith]

Thane on silken court

[brittle crow]

i want tuesday right MEOW

[chilly fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-super-troopers-gaffigan-gif-26593847

[bitter palm]

shouldve kept bugged 2p icl

it was so good

keep it bugged only for arms

they can do per spec tier tuning

(assa sub deathstalker tier tuning)

[restive peak]

Hahaha would’ve been sick

[undone flower]

It was kinda above average thane fight, but god I felt very useless bc fury sucked (even tho I finished second or third on the kill bc ppl died

Silken : personal fun 6.5/10,
imposter syndrome : 8/10

[final birch]

@smoky vale did u time anything

[fervent yoke]

Back to fury next season looks like

Thane m+ slayer raid

[smoky vale]

no

[marble pilot]

Back to fury? Never left.

[final birch]

L

[smoky vale]

My druid was flopping for fun

[frank dawn]

There’s a lot about colossus arms I like, arms is just a mess and all the random cookdowns everywhere and misaligning by 5-10 seconds triggers me

And the dogeshite single target damage does not spark joy

[undone flower]

Do I get stone to death if I say avatar should be removed from arms ?

(And maybe fury too, didn’t really think a lot on fury’s avatar)

[junior gale]

lukewarm take

[undone flower]

I will not really defend that much my opinion, I played so little arms

Just it does feel overwhelming all these cooldowns to manage, and avatar is the most useless/non existent one

[thick fossil]

What would you give Arms to take that away though?

[undone flower]

Warbreaker stronger cooldown

Reck and warbreaker/smash, are the iconic CDs of fury and arms, not avatar

[thick fossil]

Meh, I'm gonna go with the same reaction as Arms troll#4, lukewarm take.

[olive wraith]

Maybe if our rage dump was actually good

[summer quail]

can't have good ragedump with overpower tactician. it being rage neutral/gain and being cast this frequently prevents

it

[undone flower]

Ngl arms is not fun to me, so it needs more than small tweaks of numbers to convince me personally

Cleave is a good button, mortal/ss are cool, it’s just it feels clunky with everything combined (I hate clap rend target cap)

[thick fossil]

Yeah, clapping only 5 targets is as annoying as fear only hitting 5 targets.

[undone flower]

The colat thing is the most fun thing arms has for me

[olive wraith]

Rampage needs to be better

[undone flower]

This = fun

[bitter palm]

wish it didnt have as much gaming involved

but its interesting at least

unlike the rest of the kit

1 2 3 rotation

[undone flower]

Also, #delete slam

[bitter palm]

ngl at this point

just remove tactician

give mop taste for blood

[olive wraith]

Slam is fine

[junior gale]

just give cs on tactician and shattered defense gameplay plz

[undone flower]

I felt it has 1 too much keybind for the main rotation, idk which one I would delete

[bitter palm]

idk they think there is something evil with it

obviously

i just dony see what

[junior gale]

maybe they got a grudge against the devs who worked on legion at the time

[bitter palm]

waa rng waa

[junior gale]

we cant revert it would hurt our ego

[summer quail]

rend

[bitter palm]

or idk make sd tactician and remove sd from other 2 warriors idk

but what would slayer do then

to not be 100% shoehorned into exe phase

[bitter palm]

arms?

arms lacks a button imo

[undone flower]

you mean clap+ rend or rend ST ?

[bitter palm]

rend completely

remove it

it does absolutely nothing

its deep wounds without the damage increase

whats the point

just buff deep wounds dot

[undone flower]

It does feel out of place, I was afraid to say since I retried arms just a month ago

[summer quail]

what Cone said

[undone flower]

I don’t know if rend is arms shit

[summer quail]

it's not "shit" it's just tasteless nothingness

[bitter palm]

0 interactions

[undone flower]

I never played with skullsplitter yet, I’m terrified by its presence on the tree

[bitter palm]

everything that interacts with rend interacts with deep wounds

its evil

feels so shit to press

[undone flower]

And my position on #delete avatar of arms, is bc it has so many smol CDs, with ravager+roar+smash+avatar+ss

[bitter palm]

my wishlist is
change tactician
remove rend tc ravager
change/remove jugg
give us mop taste for blood
give exe aoe value
remove all interactions from bladestorm just make it do damage on aoe
change/remove roar
remove spear
move ava to arms/prot baseline
make sweeping strikes passive

make me talent into ava on spec tree idc just make it meaningful

[junior gale]

just post the long imgur

🙏

it is a holy Icon

[bitter palm]

i hope they steal rot in steel/cleave idea

hemorrhage and guillotine

mop taste for blood and battlelord

idc about the rest ngl

[undone flower]

I would remove avatar over removing ravager ngl

[bitter palm]

we need a real cooldown

[undone flower]

Since avatar does absolutely no animation

[bitter palm]

just make it higher amp lower duration

[junior gale]

I want these two and passive SS

[undone flower]

I think just make colossus smash THE CD of arms (divert avatar power to it), it will be better

[bitter palm]

idk i think guillotine is so good cause its a tradeoff ye

aoe exe but weaker

then in dungs like top u would play condemn in very high keys or some other node

[junior gale]

an aoe execute is sick

and they can give us the dk scythes 🙂

cool animation

[bitter palm]

id be fine with sweeping condemn but scaled up

huge red horizontal swing

and like blood everywhere or something

[smoky vale]

you know what animation owns

primordial storm

[undone flower]

And is it too much curse to suggest a talent point that change execute to AoE with cool animation

[bitter palm]

warbreaker

[bitter palm]

also forgot to mention

remove am

and bladestorm from slayer

reap to sd

[undone flower]

am is prot bleeding over warrior dps specs

[bitter palm]

bladestorm baseline just fucks in aoe

does nothing but damage

[bitter palm]

am is just so cringe

[undone flower]

Turned furry into a bm hunter bestial wrath = reck

[bitter palm]

devalues all cds

fuck am

[undone flower]

But it is prot core shit, Blizz wanted to share

[quiet breach]

i just spent all my token of merit on valorstone packs

should i have not done that can u save them for next season?

[inland flame]

They should turn into grey vendor items with the reset

[junior gale]

as long as CS is new tactician

[bitter palm]

playing assa and having kb on 30s cd and death mark on 1:30 and knowing i can just send kb on cd is such a nice feeling

[bitter palm]

ofc

iftk tom removed cause evil talents

[undone flower]

Intuitive = new player friendly

[junior gale]

AM is fine with this iteration of arms its only cringe cuz CDR was added to slayer

[bitter palm]

assa is nowhere near new player friendly

not a single rogue spec is

the furthest from new player friendly class in the game

[undone flower]

Cooldown usage, it is, if it’s not press if this one has X sec remaining

[inland flame]

Ya all 3 rogue specs are their own flavor of pretty dank rn

[undone flower]

I prefer : just press your shit, you will have them 100% on the big shit

[bitter palm]

well if something happens and kingsbane is off cd but death mark is at 0:48 what to do

is a hard question unless u know the dungeon

if u know u can delay death mark u use kingsbane

then u wait for next kb

if not u hold

type shit

and fucking it up is a big dps loss

[undone flower]

Yes I don’t play ass anymore I don’t’ keep track of it

[bitter palm]

cause u must kb in death mark

[undone flower]

So I wouldn’t know if it’s as weird as bladestorm as fury rn

[bitter palm]

sub is this but much worse

and outlaw is am the spec so u just perma send

but outlaw has its 3828482 quirks

[undone flower]

But outlaw 100% sells on that idea

(I used to play ass and outlaw in bfa, never really played sub)

[bitter palm]

ye i mean if u can keep uptime and have semi decent rolls consistently u can press ar again before the first one falls off

which is pretty sick

and upperhanded plays very well with keeping shit between pulls

[undone flower]

Yes it’s the BM bestial wrath gameplay (that’s what I call : you always have your iconic cooldown)

[unborn delta]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e9wEVK1o2Cakf81dm7YBTh is this real

[undone flower]

It is almost there with reck, I will see if I like it next patch, for now it is neutral as fury for TWW personally

About AM

[unborn delta]

https://cdn.betterttv.net/emote/686c3e0e4f5828d7e0efe080/3x.webp

[junior gale]

https://tenor.com/view/gold-ship-uma-musume-dropkick-gif-1310520311152972568

[unborn delta]

we're so back

[summer quail]

keep in mind fury tends to oversim. any downtime and it gets screwed over

there's also damage amps and our profile is real flat

[mystic kayak]

Is single button tool good? thinking about coming back to wow and just read about it

[unborn delta]

because of anger management

[junior gale]

Define good

[unborn delta]

you are better off using button assistant imo because it kind of teaches you what buttons to start pressing generally

but i would just get hekili if thats what you want to do because its more precise

[mystic kayak]

Just wondering how worth it is to use. Haven't relaly played much since like... 2 xpacs again and would parse 80-90s in heroic raid

[unborn delta]

especially on melee classes the inflated GCD is realy bad

[mystic kayak]

So I know how to play the game at a decent level.

[unborn delta]

the single button is more for like

double amputees

[inland flame]

Single button assistant is more of a accessibility tool, or something to use when you want to do trivial content while paying little attention. It's not going to teach you to play, and you need to learn, because SB is a big DPS loss

[mystic kayak]

So if I have an understanding of my class and priority system, is there really a point to use it then? Just do my own thing?

Heard, sounds good. Those are the answers I was looking for :)

[junior gale]

its for ppl who dont care and just wanna vibe if your experienced and able just learn to play nothings to hard if u already played before

[unborn delta]

its also not realy for a class like fury

where the rotation and gameplay is so basic

[mystic kayak]

So really it's for when I wanna be an altoholic and play a random class without using much thought

and not trying to be #1 dps in the m+

[unborn delta]

i would go a step further and say just pretend it doesn't exist

[junior gale]

yup

[unborn delta]

spend 10 mins reading the alt class rotation and have fun trying to learn it a little

[undone flower]

I forgot it existed tbf, and I never used it yet not even in a troll reclear

[mystic kayak]

Sounds good! In that case I will just rely on my own skill :)

Whats the best application for addons these days?

Wowup still?

[summer quail]

yes

[brittle crow]

wowup hasn't been the same since The Incident i thought

use curseforge

[smoky vale]

what incident

[pearl sequoia]

chinese spyware stole everyones gold

[dense fulcrum]

u guys think i int myself if i swap to dwarf instead of nelf ? i usually push 17/19 keys (between this range) and i use a lot shadowmeld, but i want something new, so bored of nelf

[junior gale]

yup totally unplayable you cant do it sorry

[summer quail]

dwarf sometimes better than nelf. depends on season, can never go wrong with either

[dense fulcrum]

nah like, i usually meld some stuff into dgs that are a pain in the ass otherwise, but not like i cant do it "normally", on the other hand on higher keys having the ability to ignore some stuff works kinda like a "defensive" itself if u know what i mean @junior gale

[summer quail]

brackehide dwarf was goated

[dense fulcrum]

ye, thing is i dont know if the next season is valuable or not, sure we have pot to "meld" but shares the cd of combat pot so is meh...also i dont know a lot of the dungeons that will coming becasue i didnt play some of that expansions so dunno if its worth for a dps to basically have a dispell

[summer quail]

in priory on a higher key if you get the bleed dwarf will save you

[dense fulcrum]

ye but u can meld the purification thing from the adds too, when they target u

so both are good in diff scenarios i think

[summer quail]

yup. but have you thought of dwarf just giving you more damage than nelf? bigger numbers(literally bigger)

[dense fulcrum]

it gives 2% crit dmg i think ye?

[summer quail]

ye

[dense fulcrum]

dunno if its a lot etc im only choosing cuz i like it on some trasmo ngl and i was bored with nelf

[inland flame]

just be a smelly troll since 2008 like the cool kids

[dense fulcrum]

too much curved xD

[summer quail]

then you have penis toes. rather not have that

[junior gale]

I was more mocking your use of the word Int swap to whatever race you want man both nelf and dwarf are useful in their own situations

[inland flame]

your loss the ladies love em

[dense fulcrum]

ah ok ahah sorry im still sleepy

[edgy widget]

looks a little out of date, but it's real-ish

[dense fulcrum]

whats 2% crit dmg in term of dps?

like 0.x or more than that?

[sudden tusk]

imma be real cheif. outside of pure util racial passives dont matter at all

even with the strongest racial bonus in the game you are still a slave to RNG and being allowed to pad

just play what you like

[unborn delta]

Orc warrior so your shoulders are big and tusk of mannoroth looks good

[dense fulcrum]

if i had one

[unborn delta]

I’m a fraud I grinded mop remix for a week and got carried through mythic SoO

[dense fulcrum]

😄

i wanna make a dwarf or iron dwarf blackhand/blackrock themed with fire and the blackhand hammer rocking..something like that its maybe a classic that tons of ppl use but is less boring than nelf rn xD

[sudden tusk]

if it helps your choice

dwarf is technically higher dps then nelf and self dispell racial is super strong

[undone flower]

It doesn’t really matter that much which dwarf for the dispel

[brittle crow]

bis race is maghar orc

[undone flower]

Red > Green

[dense fulcrum]

i was maghar orc before swapping to nelf cuz "hey mate u dont have meld? cmon swap race" by my guildies doing early keys in the s2 (im fairly new to the game, started this winter after being a home from a surgery, so they sold me on that u know)

then i went doing 18's and they stopped at 12 kek

[undone flower]

Me when knee surgery

[unborn delta]

I made my warrior nelf entirely by accident, my friend wanted to be nelf and I wanted to be the same race as them

[undone flower]

Gnome

[dense fulcrum]

also on murlok i remember when i first started using some websites, that everyone was nelf so i thought, o fk im trolling?

and swapped xD

[brittle crow]

i pick maghar orc because garrosh was maghar orc

[dense fulcrum]

but now...i mean is boring ngl, female is ok, male is dobby with greatswords

archi typing scares me

[undone flower]

If you are not among the 50 dudes listed on murlok, I feel you can worry less about race minmaxing

[summer quail]

if you want to go dwarf go dwarf. dwarf racial is always useful in atleast 1 dungeon

[brittle crow]

u know whats always useful*? 20% mount speed

[undone flower]

And there is the shadowmeld pot

[brittle crow]

(doesnt apply to dragonriding)

[dense fulcrum]

ye i thought mainly about that, but i thought also that we're already kinda on the lowside dps compared to most spec cuz of target cap and losing a usage of combat pot maybe in a fairly good pull and lose dps is somewhat bad, since it share same cd...i know that skipping a mechanic or not being dead (if meld pot save ur ass ) is worth, but if u think about that nelf can still use the dmg pot and also meld on a 2mn cd...like i feel that with this pot they actually did nothing to solve the issue for meld xD

[summer quail]

i feel like you're overthinking this

[dense fulcrum]

probably ye

[undone flower]

You are overthinking too much, the only player who trolled bc no meld was the tank this season

Bc it prevent meta routing

The pot will help tanks that can’t be nelf now that I think about it

[brittle crow]

tank is gonna tell everyone to meld pot and 2/3 dps are gonna be like "shared cd sorry :3"

and im gonna be one of those 2

[undone flower]

Ppal is the only one who can’t be Nelf ?

[dense fulcrum]

chad

[undone flower]

(Soon paladin on every race btw)

[undone flower]

Yes and imagine to skip bubble, they go water walking + invis pot, and I bet they did 20s

[dense fulcrum]

ye i did one time waterwalking in flood 18

was a bit a pain in the ass if someoen fked tho

compared to ez skip other does

[undone flower]

Yes, so there is no major Int with races

[dense fulcrum]

maybe only in a premade team

but pug wise

fuck it ig i go dwarfitos

[undone flower]

Pugging keys is a more major int than races

I would try to fix the pug part more than the race part

[dense fulcrum]

eh most of the people (which were very few) in my 900 member guild that was near my rio or higher was either meta or played with a duo friend that helped the other to get points...i was the black sheep playing fury warrior or sometime arms xD

i found a good feral and we did some 18's together but then he stopped logging in

[noble elm]

This is what my take was last time we talked about it, the entire group doesn’t need to meld only the person facilitating the skip

[dense fulcrum]

ye but meld is not only about skipping a pack or a part of the dg thats the issue i had, i mean i literally found it usefull to avoid some stuff that can be a threat in higher keys or in bad situations

[undone flower]

You can’t expect ppl to play the entire season, but it is a good beginning to pug but with 1 or 2 friends, you can add pugs after good keys and un-pug the pug after some time

[dense fulcrum]

ye

[undone flower]

That’s how my friend did (he only plays brew), and he got a team now since SL

[olive wraith]

I mean dwarf racial is also really solid

So having meld and dwarf sounds pretty good

[undone flower]

If you talk more with pugs before/after the key, you will notice a lot just knows each others (at the high ranks), and they will happily be on discord all 5

[dense fulcrum]

i wish it was like that, but most of the time is either insta leave or just people blaming eachother etc

but like once in 10-20 keys maybe u find decent people

[undone flower]

Yes it is a very high ranks when you can just play with these people to begin with

[dense fulcrum]

ye maybe 19/20's

im stuck at 18 now

[crimson bay]

so does maw of the voids use actually do anything or is it just a random weird flavor non sensical thing?

[dense fulcrum]

and will leave it there cuz pugging its aids

[undone flower]

But it takes 10+ tanks or healers in your friend list to decrease your queue time drastically
It is a nice bonus

[dense fulcrum]

yep xD

btw so

[junior gale]

does what it says loots mobs

[dense fulcrum]

now i have another dilemma...dark iron dwarf is actually cool looking too

[crimson bay]

well like jaithys ate other weapons and it got an effect thought maybe the "void dust" did something

[undone flower]

But don’t be afraid to be out of your way and compliment the healer or tank if you like the route, be more active about it

Even if it leaves in 1 sec, if you liked what you saw, you can message them

[summer quail]

Put a helmet on reguiar dwarf and pretend it's dark iron

[undone flower]

You don’t need to message all 4 pugs of your failed key

[dense fulcrum]

ahahah

[dense fulcrum]

ye i usually do that if it happens

[undone flower]

Once Jeventes showed me his friendlist I was shocked on how many ppl he got, but it is what it is I guess for m+

[dense fulcrum]

there is not a cap for friendlist?

[undone flower]

400 I think is the cap

[dense fulcrum]

ah ok i have like 70 still a lot to add 😄

[undone flower]

He has named boxes for healers, tanks etc it was something to see

[edgy widget]

depends if its extra crit dam or total crit dam (wow uses both), but also your crit rate and how much of your damage can crit in the first place

to make it super simple and considering no other factors, crits deal double dam, so your crit chance would default to a more or less equal raw increase

• if you hit 100 times for 100 damage each, you'd deal 10,000 damage. This is your super simple baseline.
• Apply a 25% crit rate dealing default double damage each, and now 25 of those hits will deal 200 damage (5,000 total) while the other 75 deal 100 damage (7,500 total) for a grand total of 12,500 damage. This is a 25% increase and your crit baseline.
• Add 2% crit damage, and now 25 of those hits either deal 202 damage (increasing the extra damage done by the crit) or 204 damage (increasing the total crit damage). WoW uses both in seemingly haphazard fashion, so this amounts to either 5,050 or 5,100 depending.
• 12,500 -> 12,550 is +0.4%, while 12,500 -> 12,600 is 0.8%.

Do note that it isn't actually anywhere near this clear cut since a great deal of things auto crit, don't crit, there are various sources of crit damage, and not everything hits for the same damage or at the same rate either

[dense fulcrum]

actually makes a lot of sense now ye

didnt know wow used 2 type of crit

as always archi is the goat with numbers

[edgy widget]

yeah it's a little... random as to which are which

[smoky vale]

this is why listenign to the robot is good

work is already done

no think

[edgy widget]

and it becomes even more complicated when you get into which sources of crit damage are additive and which are multiplicative

[dense fulcrum]

i can sim the race on raidbot? like if i wanna compare my current night elf to dwarf or dark iron dwarf can i do it?

[edgy widget]

do it under advanced

either with copies, or just change your race and run the whole thing a second time

actually you can do that in quick sim or wherever you want, if you're just trying to compare one race to another, simply change the race=name input and run it again

[smoky vale]

it'll just look like velf > rest

[edgy widget]

if you want to do a whole batch of races at the same time though, you'd have to do it in advanced

[dense fulcrum]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rjcHa6ouu1e5gf6Dzatf5x so this is my character, i run another sim now and i type lets say Dark Iron Dwarf instead of night elf in the text right?

[olive wraith]

Doesn’t human win out close to end of expansion

[smoky vale]

it might next patch

idk

gimme sec

[dense fulcrum]

so nightelf and dwarf seems pmuch same dps on the bot and dark iron dwarf sim 12k lower

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nreM85y2sD1ygPjiMnf3TW https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/78iZUVfiXiNN5P16iVRMcn https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2wkaQFtLtfjrUUBagowpoM

it should be correct the way i did i guess, i changed race and started a new sim

[undone flower]

I would expect dark iron to be slightly lower, the dps component of the race is the active (the dispel)

[dense fulcrum]

human was 7k higher than my nelf

[undone flower]

And it will be stronger next season

The more stats you have, better human racial is

[smoky vale]

this is next season

[dense fulcrum]

u play void elf ?

[undone flower]

Damn goblin is 1 k behind my gnome (we have the same racial)

A topic we delved into in prot channel, why goblin is less than gnome racial

[dense fulcrum]

idk iron dwarf look so cool tho

[smoky vale]

then play it

[dense fulcrum]

the fact that i have to use on cd the racial is throwing me off a bit

to get the str buff

becasue otherwise is the same thing

[smoky vale]

doesnt the buff only gain value with more debuffs on you

or dispelable effects

[dense fulcrum]

it gives strenght when u use and then more strenght when u dispell stuff

based on how many stuff u dispell ig

on top of the base str

[edgy widget]

unless there's a specific place to use it (not often unless you're a tank), just macro it to something

[fading sky]

When it comes to race answer is always whichevee u prefer the transmog on

Or dwarf

[earnest canyon]

wait isnt tauren only 2% crit? So human shits all over it?

[undone flower]

Yes human is 2 % more added stats, all stats

Does it count as 2 % of 1 stat in end seasons if you combine them all 🤔

Do we have 100% stats somehow, I don’t know how to describe it

I wonder if it is affected by diminishing returns

[radiant plank]

br

[clever belfry]

why is it tauren/dwarf one time and dwarf/tauren the other time

pls fix

[radiant plank]

no

[clever belfry]

frigg u

[gleaming siren]

Wtf Anda

Tox

[eternal sundial]

Naeno emoji

[clever belfry]

yeah cause u dont buy mage arena

[radiant plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294680138042183711/1341410531180806214/pQG30.gif

[clever belfry]

explode ohnepixel

doesnt condone gambling (opens 100000 cases every stream)

[gleaming siren]

Dont gamble kids

Don't play Warrior

[gleaming siren]

You are ohnepixel

[stuck bison]

what embelish to craft instead of cloak if raiding ? should i go weapon ?

[radiant plank]

weapon/wrist/belt/boots

[eternal sundial]

@whole remnant ognepixel