No? Ofc not
#fury
fading sky
Slayer is meant for raid
But slayer is playable and fine in m+
Esp if all u do is 12s
Dmg will never be an issue
undone flower
Still hasn’t happened to me but I’m afraid of : tier vs weapon on the first vault (I love gambling)
slim coral
They gotta buff our cds in the next notes surely
warm crag
@clever belfry pro player data ?
clever belfry
<@173741974493462528> pro player data ?
i am not a pro player anymore sorry
no data available
fading sky
Still hasn’t happened to me but I’m afraid of : tier vs weapon on the first vaul...
2nd vault id take weap, 1st vault is hero weap. Who cares🤣
fading sky
They gotta buff our cds in the next notes surely
Roar is so meaningless just delete it
undone flower
Delete/replace roar and spear damage component
olive wraith
Still hasn’t happened to me but I’m afraid of : tier vs weapon on the first vaul...
Tier>wep for first vault imo
clever belfry
Tier>wep for first vault imo
if ur guild splits a bunch and u arent a bench player taking tier can be quite grief
clever belfry
more people than should be doing them
random wr400 guild doing splits when people are hard griefing on their alts is just
awful
(sure do a normal last boss split for +3819319 tier tokens)
compact siren
Andameow
clever belfry
andameow indeed
sudden tusk
panda
undone flower
My previous 900 wr guild did something looking like splits (filling 30 man raid the first weeks with casuals)
They were not allowed the loot
sudden tusk
more rng to the spec
4 talents are individually signet of tormented kings and they require 2 points to activate and gatekeep the bottom half of the tree
you have to path through it at least once
uneven furnace
Are m0 reset daily or weekly for s3?
sudden tusk
weekly
gleaming siren
My previous 900 wr guild did something looking like splits (filling 30 man raid ...
That is not a split
that is just filling the raid
Both axes to increase loot efficiency
undone flower
Yes, I never did a guild split (I was in a echo split), it gave me split vibe
gleaming siren
(sure do a normal last boss split for +3819319 tier tokens)
normal splits are super free and unironically quite the boost in power
gleaming siren
but tbf those guilds never get in the situation of needing that power in the first place generally
clever belfry
but tbf those guilds never get in the situation of needing that power in the fir...
yes but no
having 3% more dps is good
cause it allows u to have another death and still kill the boss
undone flower
I feel like if you don’t reach ovinax the first 2 weeks (maybe 3), it is useless
clever belfry
the longer ur prog takes the less useful it is to the backend however
as u will likely have replaced all with hc/m tier anyway.
clever belfry
(this doesnt necessarily go for trinkets like cards)
gleaming siren
if you prog for 14+ weeks it likely wont save you time at all
likely doesnt cost you time either tho
clever belfry
yeah i mean if u dont do splits u are not killing boss X week 1
so ure just bashing ur head against the wall
may aswell split in that time :))
gleaming siren
PDEs???????
clever belfry
(the solution is split first 2mythic for most guilds genuinely)
undone flower
Even 2 months prog, I would say splits is only useful if you play multiple characters on multiple players to fill damage profile
clever belfry
(the solution is split first 2mythic for most guilds genuinely)
this is lore tho frfrfr
undone flower
(the solution is split first 2mythic for most guilds genuinely)
I think split on the easy myth bosses is far more lucrative
For non- week 1–2-3 clears guild
clever belfry
its just rng how much is easily killable
in nerubar it was 4 if you had a bunch of healers available
in undermine it was 2
undone flower
Yes, as it is rng if eye of kezan exist
But you recognize as you do them / see them, like next season, you clearly see it is until azaz
The forgeweaver
clever belfry
idk unless u hop on NA time 9am into mythic
u will know what u can do
u do a heroic/nm on ur first raid day anyway so u will have more info
just dont be shit at planning
undone flower
It is hard for me to relate (I try) bc I’m EU, I always have the information, I sleep on talents for each bosses (the number 1 thing I actively know I’m griefing)
When there is tuning, I just put wcl on 1 day logs, to see if something changed
Since its 24h for logs to lock and NA can’t play half the day during some resets
clever belfry
Since its 24h for logs to lock and NA can’t play half the day during some resets
what
u know u can still sort by logs
without them locked in
they show up on the ranking list just fine.
undone flower
I need to see aggregated logs personally, I chose to play fury thane on silken bc I recognized it shifting even it was not in top logs yet
When it was 70% slayer 30% thane on the boss
(Im not an amazing player, I wouldn’t take example on me, and I do appear sometime on wcl first pages), so I’m very sceptic to pick individual logs
smoky vale
u know u can still sort by logs
whats a pde
clever belfry
google is difficult to use
smoky vale
more fun annoying you about asking a question than googling
get baited
@gleaming siren today i learned how to do an arm bar
oblique trail
these are some difficult differential equations however
math jumscare
clever belfry
banezi jumpscare
earnest canyon
whats a pde
Penis Decreaser and Enlarger
fading sky
For furu tuningwise thats ok, for arms its rough🤣
sour frigate
math jumscare
Ball
median marsh
currently i am having embelishment in cloak and wrist, do i need to change the cloak ?
if so - to what?
hardy bluff
boots probably
dark heron
U want boots from raid in best case. Girdle later probably
sullen dove
we talkin bout now in s2?
never makin a belt cuz of disc but next season maybe back to belt embell or something
dark heron
S2 is over so obviously I talked about S3
junior birch
does thunder blast benefit from both monk and dh raid buffs since it's physical and nature damage?
sudden tusk
one or the other not both
slim pollen
Are there any of those min/max "what to do week 1-3" docs available for season 3 yet? 👀
sour frigate
does thunder blast benefit from both monk and dh raid buffs since it's physical ...
Usually what is bigger
So from touch ig
light hedge
random thought but, how are we crafting next season? since belt / cloak / boots are basically locked afaik?
Bracers into offhand with no real alternatives?
earnest canyon
Are there any of those min/max "what to do week 1-3" docs available for season 3...
I think it's @silk kiln that does it but I'm on phone and search is shit.
light hedge
Since they have tampered with touch, have we actually checked if tough really does increase by 5% and not some weird shenanigans where it says 5, gives 3,5 and doesnt work for half the attacks kinda stuff?
warm crag
Since they have tampered with touch, have we actually checked if tough really do...
Least paranoid skyholdian
light hedge
Least paranoid skyholdian
Id say experience, but sure call me paranoid
keen turret
random thought but, how are we crafting next season? since belt / cloak / boots ...
boots locked? what have I missed? I thought only belt and cloak is locked.
light hedge
boots locked? what have I missed? I thought only belt and cloak is locked.
Boots from the DH Trio enhance cloak by 50%
therefore id say it is very highly likely that they are a given in BiS build
warm crag
The boots are listed as very rare no
Probably shouldnt make preseason crafting decision around an item you may not see for months
warm crag
Pack it up spongie
sudden tusk
holy shit hes going crazy
light hedge
The boots are listed as very rare no
sudden tusk
https://tenor.com/view/gmail-dog-explode-epic-ai-gif-8084634080600183106
i still dont actually know what that animal is
light hedge
so if they are not very rare as stated on wowhead, we can assume that this is an item intended to have for basically every class for the season?
sudden tusk
so if they are not very rare as stated on wowhead, we can assume that this is an...
the only actual "rare" or bonus loot for us from the raid are the boots off the council boss
casters have special loot types we don't really have anything this time
light hedge
Yes im aware of the splinter 2 set but what would suggest a good crafting route if, taken not very rare dropping boots into account, we have belt boots cloak basically locked up
which would mean if we run stat stick embells it would be on off-set and bracers?
keen turret
is the belt actually locked up?
sudden tusk
Yes im aware of the splinter 2 set but what would suggest a good crafting route ...
bracers + ascention weapon probably
light hedge
hence why im asking
sudden tusk
M+ players might go double crafted with bracers/belt with 2x mythic weps
light hedge
so we are safe to assume we will likely swap belt same we swapped ring? around hero - myth track swap
?
sudden tusk
the delve belt will probably be replaced with a m+ belt early on around hero track
we also have a great 2h early in the raid from the 4rth boss however
so getting weps shouldnt be too bad
light hedge
likely we will craft atleast 1 anyway for ascendence i guess?
sudden tusk
probably will hold our sparks to see what we get
light hedge
worst case 8 weeeks for double weap
sudden tusk
since if we are unlucky would probably be a wep craft
light hedge
the good feeling
keen turret
I'm going for double duskthread since I play prot 50% of the time. So basically its either the second spark as belt, or just the tier slot I am not going to use 
undone flower
I think the only available slots for crafting next season are gonna be belt/wrist/off hand
And 1 off set gloves/shoulder
(idk if i need to remind ppl the delve belt is 701 ilvl)
light hedge
(idk if i need to remind ppl the delve belt is 701 ilvl)
Just to be clear, there were classes where isle ring was still considered BiS Option for the whole season.
which was 658 to 678(684)
undone flower
yep but you wouldn't equip the belt if it started below 684 (they changed it bc of that)
light hedge
i understna dthe situation for the belt being vastly different just in sheer loss of main stat
but yeah, i guess we will likely swap it for either drop / crafted one
undone flower
and the cyrce was very good still in S2 for mastery ppl, the belt is just good bc it's 701 ilvl in a 684 capped season
hybrid sandal
How troll is SMF fellas..
light hedge
How troll is SMF fellas..
hybrid sandal
So you're saying it's actually meta
light hedge
btw how far behind is SMF actually as of now? i remmeber it was always around 2,5-5% somewhat
hybrid sandal
And if so, what talent do i drop for it in the m+ build?
dense elbow
One of the final node talents, probably
hybrid sandal
Okay, thank you
light hedge
Stillt its likely 5% behind TG
unless you main prot and want to do world content, i wouldnt suggest it
flat river
Because fuck brown class
plush zephyr
i still don't get why we have to talent SMF
Wonder how many fury players keep their loot spec set to… fury
flat river
Wonder how many fury players keep their loot spec set to… fury
more than you know
plush zephyr
Nah I think it’s probably a staggering number
spare steppe
I wish SMF was viable
frozen cosmos
I wish SMF was viable
It's called frost DK 😂😉
spare steppe
But fury is life
frozen cosmos
I kid I kid, but imo frost isn't too far off the "spammy" feel that fury has.
plush zephyr
Double 1h looks weird
frozen cosmos
Dual 2h is our special "thing" I'd be annoyed if it was a DPS loss
chilly fractal
Could always be neutral
sour frigate
@dense elbow based?
iron portal
My recap says this , interesting
dense elbow
Atal'Dazar?
iron portal
BFA flashbacks
flat river
BFA flashbacks
warped bone
My recap says this , interesting
Schrödinger's key
slim coral
I just had an idea
oak raven
oh no
gleaming siren
wat
modest condor
wat
gleaming siren
slim coral
oih I meant diablo
lmao
too busy yapping to dan about different warrior specs in diff games
sour thorn
What trinkets are best to bring into season 3 from this season?
quasi mason
your bis trinkets
unborn delta
How quickly are we replacing the delve belt next season
Wondering if I should make crafted belt with socket so I can upgrade it
orchid dagger
quiet breach
what's tuned harder, +0 next season or +10 on live
tight oyster
anyone have ptr talent builds?
tight oyster
lovely thanks
thick fossil
Our base kit got most of the attention, talents didn't get much change at all.
tawny pivot
mfw if they don't add the dwarf mogs to this month's trading post
I need my mogs to play mountain king
thick fossil
Lol, get the book of grudges?
bright loom
Something feels.. right.. right?
tawny pivot
I think I have a problem
earnest canyon
When are they gonna release the august trading post preview I want my MOGS
September. They are too busy firing people at the moment.
tawny pivot
Shouldn't you be in r/gaming?
earnest canyon
I dont use reddit.
tawny pivot
Yeah sure
earnest canyon
Actually thats a lie, if a tech solution comes up I do
thick fossil
Reddit is only good for memes.
tawny pivot
Well nowadays you can just make a "le layoffs... le bad?!?!" post and farm thousands of upboats
earnest canyon
Why are they french
tawny pivot
Voulez-vous coucher avec moi?
wanton pine
if you guys had one dinar left and needed to buy a mythic trinket would you buy the OAB trinket or the gally trinket? thinking fights might be a bit longer earlier on next season but normal/heroic might still not warrant the gally trinket
tawny pivot
I didn't watch testing but Nexus King looks like the only fight that's long and will remain long, for a while
I was told*
modest hollow
why is my keystone gone??
flat river
why is my keystone gone??
Did u do a key this week
modest hollow
looted vault, and my bags are empty
fast mural
did you talk to panda lady ?
modest hollow
relogged and its there 😄
warm crag
if you guys had one dinar left and needed to buy a mythic trinket would you buy ...
Kezan is good but i suspect its only genuine use might be first week curve splits
Cards will at least blast keys
chilly fractal
Never got a HoC above champions track
wanton pine
Kezan is good but i suspect its only genuine use might be first week curve split...
I'll be doing splits but could end up being my main so not sure if im trolling taking Card if I could end up using Kezan for the first few bosses on mythic depending on my rng
has there been any trinket sims for next season?
warm crag
Weird Position to be in for your guild to expect splits but leave you such a choice for dinars on reclear
wanton pine
Weird Position to be in for your guild to expect splits but leave you such a cho...
yeah last min roster issues
warm crag
Idk youll be fine with either but cards will help you in keys at least
Dont know how soon you'd replace kezan
junior gale
You will def gain more outta hoc doing m+ than you would with Kezan and splits
summer quail
i mean i guess it depends if you raid on the wednesday or not. if you don't then 100% take house for m+, won't be that long before you replace it from m+
summer quail
they're pretty good. insanely good if you compare to how garbage current tier is
wanton pine
cheers think i'll send hoc
bronze badge
Are we tuned okay for raid? havnt paid much attention since ptr first dropped
summer quail
yes
earnest canyon
Are we tuned okay for raid? havnt paid much attention since ptr first dropped
tuned for pet battles
flat river
real
tawny pivot
Wasn't the reason dracthyr couldn't perma soar in DF that they'd be too good at doing pet battles?
So they are definetly balancing around pet battles at some extent
chilly fractal
tuned for pet battles
Dude idk about you
But I could fuck up some critters
Would be like me vs 100 babies… I could easily beat 100 babies
plush zephyr
pet battles are fun
earnest canyon
Ehhhh
tight oyster
Do you think we will better than this tier in raid?
chilly fractal
I only feel good on Gallywix… and if enough people die we see the last intermission adds
But for the past several weeks I don’t think I’ve paid the slightest bit of attention to what’s going on during boss fights
edgy widget
i mean i guess it depends if you raid on the wednesday or not. if you don't then...
House of cards holds up really well next season
Would definitely get it for M+ if you got dinar left over
quiet geyser
I only feel good on Gallywix… and if enough people die we see the last intermiss...
Furys pretty good for sprocket and mugz. It does good boss dam
orchid brook
Would definitely get it for M+ if you got dinar left over
will we be able to buy it with dinar after s3 starts?
edgy widget
Wasn't the reason dracthyr couldn't perma soar in DF that they'd be too good at ...
As I recall, it wasn’t a reason, but they did say something to the effect of “we need to consider all different types of players, like if someone decides they speed running pet battles is more efficient on a dracthyr to the point everyone feels the need to do it”
edgy widget
will we be able to buy it with dinar after s3 starts?
We dunno, but I wouldn’t bet on it
spare steppe
House of cards holds up really well next season
How much value does Best in slots active still have over other OH going into the season? Before crafting 2 2H
edgy widget
How much value does Best in slots active still have over other OH going into the...
Depends on ilvl but you can sim that yourself depending on what you get; prob won’t craft 2x weapons anyway though
spare steppe
There was discussion earlier that the mythic weapon being in the 4th boss and vault rng was why crafting the second after embellishment
If we’re going ascension+writhing I guess
olive wraith
That’s 4 sparks though
edgy widget
I mean if you happen to go 6 weeks before getting a vault weapon sure
mossy pelican
I mean if you happen to go 6 weeks before getting a vault weapon sure
me for sure
edgy widget
That’s 6 sparks if you include upgrading your writhing (though a weapon may take priority depending)
Either way, just something you gotta judge for yourself when you get there
echo rapids
2 hander is our best best first craft right? With no early strength 2 handlers in raid
edgy widget
To ask the dumb question, how do I sim PTR ilvl?
Like change an item you mean? If you don’t wanna futz with bonus ids, just add ,ilvl=### at the end
sour elbow
@edgy widget it's looking like a weapon/bracer craft for next season so far yea? I made sure I made extra items this week while we still have crests since we can't use cloak and boots next season lolol
edgy widget
Some people swear by early tier slot crafts for prog, but weapon/bracer are the safe crafts yeah
And you can use s2 bracer for quite awhile
calm ermine
Isnt it better to go bracer+boots, and when you got 2 sparks go for weapon+bracer?
I mean start the season, cuz we have good weapons now...
olive wraith
Isnt it better to go bracer+boots, and when you got 2 sparks go for weapon+brace...
Can’t use boots cause the cape boost
And weapon is 2 sparks so you have to wait for 3rd spark for bracer
spare steppe
Thanks for the advice, I’ll sim OH
fading sky
2 hander is our best best first craft right? With no early strength 2 handlers ...
Isnt 3rd boss
oblique pond
4th
sour elbow
yea if its a crafting weapon tier, you just save for the weapon. You get the big ilvl/dps increase that way and the bracers will still boost all your shit the same
spare steppe
for some reason, Writhing is only 0.2%/0.3% better than duskthread/dawnthread
olive wraith
As long as there’s no special 2h fury seems to always like wep craft
Even more so this season with the cape/boots combo. Less slots to fill with crafting
smoky vale
for some reason, Writhing is only 0.2%/0.3% better than duskthread/dawnthread
me when embellishments suck as a whole
spare steppe
yeah I'm probably going to keep duskthread in the naive hope that at some point we'd swap to that over ascension (prot/m+ hopes)
sinful spoke
U guys think we’ll be able to do the xtra half a spark shit next tier as well
Where u trick the quest
spare steppe
They either fixed that or will give out a free spark if that happens again
calm ermine
U guys think we’ll be able to do the xtra half a spark shit next tier as well
What do you mean? Enlight us...
storm birch
The new way HoA feels is great
was a scuffed run had to pull last boss twice. Still felt great
olive wraith
Don’t show the doomers this
dense elbow
No hunter spotted on meter? Disregarded as fake news.
storm birch
i just wish there were monks to run with D:
the entire first section of halls was a chain pull to first boss
summer quail
anyone know what ilvl the cloak starts at next season?
storm birch
was like 11.3 mil ish
sacbrood just feels too good makes me not even want to test other trinkets lol
olive wraith
Double passive sounds good to me
storm birch
yea issa vibe
pulsar quest
Is there where we all belong now
chrome relic
The new way HoA feels is great
What build? Normal MT or slayer
limber oar
let's just say sacbrood is nuts
What trinkets were you running? Sacbrood and what
sinful spoke
What do you mean? Enlight us...
What ravon said
orchid dagger
Don’t show the doomers this
That FDK is trash brother
spare steppe
May everyone get mythic sacbrood in their first vault
silver shell
Anyone happen to know about when the warrior sim sheet google doc will get filled out for s3? i know its slow work but just curious
tight oyster
The new way HoA feels is great
were you guys doing small pulls - usually fdk gaps on big pulls
storm birch
Dayum 14 priory. Though aug. But no monk so it's fair xD sike
storm birch
What build? Normal MT or slayer
MT! fun times
storm birch
What trinkets were you running? Sacbrood and what
sac and pace
chrome relic
W
storm birch
were you guys doing small pulls - usually fdk gaps on big pulls
it was just constant 8 ish packs
chrome relic
Sac and pace vibe city
storm birch
yea it feels so good. I like netherprism a bit too. Void touched fragment is ok. Araz's is so nice if it wasn't 2 min.
drifting lance
are there any good m+ trinks in s3 (for m+, not raid)
since they gutted idol seems we have 0 1.5m cd options
is it literally only raid trinks
spare steppe
are there any good m+ trinks in s3 (for m+, not raid)
Sacbrood?
storm birch
Sac and pacemaker looking really good
spare steppe
Double passive is fine too
storm birch
those two passive trinkets are nuts
spare steppe
I’m excited to spam delves and pray again (:
chilly fractal
Passive Trinkets > On use anything
spare steppe
House of cards should also last a minute
storm birch
I really like void fragment if the stacks didn't just auto use. End up getting 15k mastery when i have 0 cds rolling haah. It stacks relaly quickt ho
covert coyote
On use trinks are for classes with actual CDs
thick fossil
Isn't the new trinket from HoA still good after the nerf?
drifting lance
Isn't the new trinket from HoA still good after the nerf?
not afaik
thick fossil
Guess that's just arms that wants that.
storm birch
It might just be "good" not busted anymore
not S tier I'd say. Sadly I haven't gotten it to drop so i haven't tested it
drifting lance
hmm is fury not just gonan do way less dam in first pull of a dung w double passive vs on use tho
bitter palm
ure just gonna do less damage on demand
but more when not in cds
and thanes damage is random tb procs anyway
drifting lance
fairs maybe it isnt too bad
storm birch
It smooths out. You lose the big nuke but the consistent dmg is really good
bitter palm
not anymore
smoky vale
whats the difference
smoky vale
yeah
bitter palm
void fragment or w/e
thick fossil
mastery delve trinket exploded too
Not a surprise. It was kinda broken.
smoky vale
at 3m?
smoky vale
ik unholy will like that shit
bitter palm
then u hold
or u can send at wb+demo for a small loss
or just macro on avatar and forget
smoky vale
what am i holding
bitter palm
ava on cd
thick fossil
So like most things with arms. If stars align. Lol
bitter palm
ig fury doesnt want it cause furys damage
has nothing to do with cds
i legit open on a pack
do X damage
thick fossil
Which is sad.
bitter palm
then when my cds fall off i do more damage
cause tb
ye i mean thats what happens when u have 2 big cds
and both of them have 0 value
one is 20% crit chacne and more rage that u literally dont care about
and the other is 20% damage
smoky vale
whats stopping them from making it a 90s trinket
bitter palm
warriors doing damage
marble pilot
Well avatar does give you 2 tblast charges. Kinda nice
smoky vale
warriors doing damage
would it not also make uh giga
marble pilot
Yeah but more tblast is more good
bitter palm
ye but imagine if ur cds did something
on their own
such as increased ur damage perhaps
by more than 20% for 20s
on 1:30
dont even get me started on roar
u can drop it in m+
and play utility
and lose like 1%
marble pilot
Yeah roar/odyns/ravager/spear are all the same button to me
thick fossil
warriors doing damage
Man, that fucking stings.
bitter palm
they are all equally shit
earnest canyon
i have no clue about unholy im ngl
If you ignore the damage meter, unholy sucks. Frost is way more fun (to me)
earnest canyon
I never liked the rune system
bitter palm
would it not also make uh giga
might not even play dps warr in phys comp 
did u see thane pwar with heavy handed
and sd
thick fossil
Yeah might be Prot jail.
thick fossil
I wouldn't be surprised if I get stuck Prot this season
chilly fractal
Wasn’t Ticking Sack a really good trinket before?
oblique thistle
Yeah might be Prot jail.
Just spent a season in prot jail, I'm not going back
bitter palm
Wasn’t Ticking Sack a really good trinket before?
ye but its st only
idk if its good now
cause we have some very powerful trinkets
oblique thistle
Fury is not abysmal dogshit so I am back to fury 🙂
thick fossil
In raid I'll be fury or Arms (pending tuning), but M+ I think I might get stuck Prot with guildies.
chilly fractal
idk if its good now
I could run some sims I guess
bitter palm
thane pwar is closer to assa than assa is to arms
on st
holy rogues unfathomably down bad
bitter palm
Just play fury and tell your guild to level a brewmaster monk
ye i mean its brew/war dps or pwar / ww or something
but i think with pwar being this powerful
like the top phys groups will run pwar
it should be technically more optimal to run pwar
chilly fractal
At least Outlaw Rogues won’t be griefing raid anymore since they got rid of the teleporting around with killing spree
thick fossil
Just play fury and tell your guild to level a brewmaster monk
Heh, the only monk players we have are dps and mistweavers.
final birch
like the top phys groups will run pwar
Depends
How strong ww is
And gap between brew/prot
final birch
Its unreal right now as well
bitter palm
ye but its even more unreal on ptr
final birch
No clue
bitter palm
cause exe isnt troll anymore in aoe i think
final birch
But right now pwar hella strong
final birch
Also
bitter palm
very powerful
final birch
Its off meta
So top top players are gonna play meta
So
In eu you have monksea
And i cant think of 1 pwar otp in eu
That kinda matters as well
bitter palm
true
and monksea plays with farover i think?
so they already locked brew/war dps ig
orchid dagger
The only pwar that matters is @real cape
final birch
Idk if they play together, they are playing this tier together idk other ssns
Otp 🤢
Cant imagine playing 1 spec in this game
orchid dagger
For 5 seconds
bitter palm
will we get outscaled
orchid dagger
You know week 1 they are shitting on this class
bitter palm
(out autabuffed)
arms started very strong
this ssn
then just fell off
cause 0 buffs
orchid dagger
Bro FDK is better than us
tight oyster
isnt ww monk also better
dense sedge
Fury is bonk x2
storm birch
Frost DK in my Priory had a 56m dps peak pull D:
dense sedge
Bro FDK is better than us
Play frost then bro, bonk 4 life
crimson bay
Fury isn't ever really gonna be able to keep up in M+ so long as we're 5 target capped though are we?
storm birch
What do you mean by keep up
like best the meta spec top of the charts?
or be competitive overall?
orchid dagger
Fury isn't ever really gonna be able to keep up in M+ so long as we're 5 target ...
no
crimson bay
Competitive with dks or hunters or paladins
orchid dagger
fdk does because the DoT works overtime for Howling Blast
crimson bay
Or whatever is considered "meta"
storm birch
Idk I feel like those specs are still in nerf territory. We can't pull those massive numbers but we're not insanely far behind which if nerfs come in I think is a good place to be. Not saying we don't need a small nudge but not being s+ tier meta spec isn't the worst thing ever. (Hopefully helps us avoid nerfs)
What if I told you that in physical comp Fury is feeling pretty meta B)
What I mean is. With the comp built around it you're #1 necessary for Battle Shout #2 performing really well dmg wise against other phys comp dmg dealers (excluding hunter) 😄
crimson bay
What if I told you that in physical comp Fury is feeling pretty meta B)
Oh I always feel like I'm pumpin then I look at meters
storm birch
With TB being our big dmg user now we're soft capped at 5 instead of hard capped. So it's starting to feel a ton better with the right resets!
orchid dagger
because Fury is ass
crimson bay
Hear a ton about fury in m+ how's fury in raid?
warm crag
should be fine
deep sapphire
Fury should be leading in raid next tier and keeping up closer with Arms this next season compared to this season.
junior gale
What I mean is. With the comp built around it you're #1 necessary for Battle Sho...
That's what people need to realize. As long as phys comp exists warrior will be fine as Blizz has mandated that this is our comp forever and always.
forest fable
Are we back yet?
junior gale
Never left
forest fable
This is the extent of me picking a main, ty
crimson bay
My main has never been in question... 20 years and counting warrior for life
storm birch
That's what people need to realize. As long as phys comp exists warrior will be ...
yea. Fury was just rough last patch cause arms was quite a bit better. But arms was in high demand for phys comp
this patch (so far) is looking like the equivalent of that, but for Fury.
bitter palm
arms is just dead
spare steppe
something about getting rid of juggernaut and just buffing execute to the moon
bitter palm
dont even need to btw as long as jugg is changed to short duration low stacks high amp per stack
and if there was more power in sd
spare steppe
so what's arms current problem for 11.2?
I know its the wrong channel, just curious
bitter palm
the fact that juggernaut isnt low duration low stacks high amp per stack
and the fact that sd doesnt really do anything
winter shoal
Gameplay is the same plus SkS, numbers are bad
winter shoal
Actually gameplay isn't quite the same, more holding cds than before xdd
spare steppe
i hate the holding execute for fury/arms
marble pilot
Not having to hold this season is gunna be nice
bitter palm
warrior is gone
slayer is gone
in 12.0
i hope slayer is ogne
gone
or massively changed
marble pilot
Not necessarily. They could fix stuff for midnight.
bitter palm
bs/reap removed
and shit'
just keep it execute focused with extra focus on sd 👍
give arms aoe execute
spare steppe
i doubt they remove hero specs, definitely am curious what midnight will bring
bitter palm
and slayer would fuck for both
fluid pollen
Big W for fury going into S3. Stoked.
marble pilot
I imagine they just add a couple rows to hero talents as the main change for midnight
marble pilot
I kinda expect a 4th spec for a few classes.
Void DH will be support. THen add a couple more support specs and make it a role
marble pilot
Been 20 years of gameplay I think they are doing fine overall
sinful spoke
Never left
we did for about 2 expacs
earnest canyon
they should add a 4th tree
Add a 4th spec, healer, where you just yell things at people to make them heal up
marble pilot
Blademaster with the banners sure
bitter palm
do we really want that
marble pilot
Why not
bitter palm
cause then ure just melee phys aug
marble pilot
sounds nice
marble pilot
You mean like how all the devs dont play aug?
junior gale
we did for about 2 expacs
Never left
marble pilot
1 season but sure
bitter palm
i dont want fuey and arms dead
u could just put banners on class tree
all 3 specs fill that fantasy
of charging into battle
marble pilot
And if there are like 5 support specs and you only take one with you cause it is a role not a branch of dps. Then you would only take 1 of those 5. Could be any of em
smoky vale
i have no clue about unholy im ngl
thats what they have on their robot
marble pilot
Dunno who else would make a good support. I guess you can argue for any class.
marble pilot
It fits better than some other classes imo.
bitter palm
2h shield
u have a cd that u make a shield wall
and u block all frontals
would be sick
marble pilot
Yeah and various shouts/aura banners
Plus you would still do melee stuff it just wouldnt be as much
I dont think it works unless we have ~5 support specs though. I think the void dh could be one. so thats 3. Need 2 more. Mages and shamans maybe?
bitter palm
they have to think this through if they want support classes
cause as it stands
u would either never play supp warrior
or u would always play it
marble pilot
Yeah. The problem right now is its only aug. So either scrap aug. Or make it a full role and support it.
I dont know how the community feels about the second option though
sinful spoke
warrior wouldnt rlly make sense as a support
itd have to be smth like rogue maybe trhowing potions to debuff and buff
or shammy/priest
druid maybe
marble pilot
I think a warrior doing shouts/banners as a sort of battlefield commander makes sense just fine
bitter palm
out of all melees warriors make the most sense
rogue ebon might gives u meth
and u do more damage
xddd
marble pilot
Could do rogues with poisons/exploit weakness sorta thing. They debuff enemies and make damage amp windows
bitter palm
makes u drink funny liquid
bitter palm
Could do rogues with poisons/exploit weakness sorta thing. They debuff enemies a...
ig but its too much effort for a problem that doesnt exist
instead they should make rogues play well
marble pilot
Isnt the midnight announcement like Aug 17th? Maybe they will say what the big xpac thing is then. Unless it really is just housing
marble pilot
instead they should make rogues play well
This is very fair. I kinda feel bad for the rogues.
spare steppe
Warriors should have a Brez where you just shout at them
bitter palm
for 12.0 i hope they rework arms fully smaller rework for fury and rework rogues
marble pilot
I like a stall death type of thing. Like a shout that does a party wide cheat death. Probably too strong though.
For next 10 seconds allies cannot die. Any damage done that would kill them still needs to be healed back before the timer ends.
bitter palm
arms atm is so disconnected from its fantasy it has 0 flavor
bitter palm
I like a stall death type of thing. Like a shout that does a party wide cheat de...
idk aoe purg would be very broken ngl
marble pilot
Yeah probably way too strong. Would need a massive downside.
Could be a warrior only passive similar to priest wings.
When you die you can keep going for X amount of time. But you still die at the end
crimson bay
I want fury to have a lust but instead of just haste I want it to give both enrage effects at the same time
marble pilot
Yeah just for flavor. You would occasionally get some kind of clutch with it like taunting a boss and living for the timer when the tank drops at 1% on a raid.
SImilar to a pally bubble taunting
spare steppe
for 12.0 i hope they rework arms fully smaller rework for fury and rework rogues
honestly rogues need an actual dev
marble pilot
Or they just fix our cooldowns and give rallying a real use. Then we are fine. No need to get crazy
spare steppe
they're thematically worse than warrior and warriors are nice and mundane
bitter palm
i wouldnt say they are bad thematically their gameplay just sucks
but it sucks in a weird way
like i love aoe assa
but st is torture
cause of venomous wounds
0 energy gen on st
and thistle tea gives u enough energy during cds that you dont play haste
brittle crow
Could be a warrior only passive similar to priest wings.
When you die you can ke...
they did this with wotlk DK
and it was the most broken talent in the game
even when u played as a shitty ghoul
xd
i think warrior should have borderlands health gate mechanic tbh tbh
marble pilot
How about something like second wind. But it also has damage reduction the lower you hp is.
Would help a lot with rot damage. But be kinda useless for big mechanics.
Also Im just bored at work and wasting time. Most of this is garbage. And we really only need small tweaks to be good. Stuff like Cooldowns looked at and/or rallying cry looked at
olive wraith
Fury is already tanky af
spare steppe
Warrior need utility more than damage/tankiness
olive wraith
That’ll solve all our problems /s
oak peak
Give us the legion artifact secret ability. Where when we die we live for a few seconds then die. Just for fun 🤷♂️
I think it was like 5-10 seconds
If i remember right, wasnt there a way to keep the warrior alive too? Like a huge absorb? Or am i remembering wrong..
“The hidden ability, granted upon equipping the weapon, is a second chance at life from Odyn, restoring 50% health if you defeat your foe within 8 seconds”
Thats what it was
Usually never happens. But fun when it does
echo rapids
Sort of guild wars 2 downed state
spare steppe
That’ll solve all our problems /s
Doubtful but who knows
oak peak
Yeah basically never happened in raid, and very rarely in keys
edgy widget
If i remember right, wasnt there a way to keep the warrior alive too? Like a hug...
you had to kill the target that killed you before the timer expired
next to impossible in most group content, the effect would have been a lot cooler if it were more consistent, but being a random proc on top of having to kill what was likely to be a dungeon or raid boss made it pretty pooptastic in practice
oak peak
I think if it was consistent (8sec before dying) 100% of the time, it could be kinda cool. The way to “revive” yourself could stay the same since it was so small of a thing. Or make it more random with an easier way to revive yourself.
Not that that helps our utility problem. But cheat deaths are always nice
eternal sundial
i feel like the warrior dying to anything but own fault by missplaying a mechanic
is very unlikely regardless
tho the same applies to mage and they have caut ....
oak peak
Yeah i feel like “fighting through death” just makes a bit of sense. Im just not sure the most balanced way to give it to us
olive wraith
Ya just give us lust, brez. A first aid bleed dispel, a chain grip and then we will be meta 
oak peak
Exactly. Just give us everything. It makes sense right?
olive wraith
There’s totally not another class that has a huge utility kit and isn’t meta
quiet breach
tho the same applies to mage and they have caut ....
mages have to press their buttons to not die warrior can afk and live everything
fury warrior*
bright loom
heh, mages are literal livelords aswell.
quiet breach
both are tanky af
eternal sundial
fire was chill too on some bosses
earnest canyon
Fire is tanky as hell, even has cheat death
quiet breach
enrage Dr + 2 2handers worth of stats is insane passive dr
eternal sundial
s3 fury with 30% versa
was funny
forget to wall, hunter dies to machanic through wall
live at 30%
quiet breach
also mages can't heal for shit
warriors can
(again only speaking about arcane dunno about fire)
eternal sundial
does alter count
also u have 60% max hp healing from ice cold
- absorbs are kinda healing arent they
quiet breach
does alter count
not really imo but maybe I'm not good enough at using it yet
quiet breach
also u have 60% max hp healing from ice cold
50% IF you put 2 talent points in it
eternal sundial
like i remember the numbers
quiet breach
all this being said, fucking everything on mythic gallywix killed me on my fury warrior
so ig
im mostly speaking from m+ perspective
u can't just run into stuff on fury warrior with magic reflect on M gallywix at least
echo rapids
Fury tankiness isn’t all it’s cracked up to be, so many one shots
quiet breach
like how DKs can blind walk into beams with AMS
earnest canyon
Hunter has pseudo immunity where they can move, heal that has dr and cd reduced by spending resources on dps, a dr that heals, and health increase that heals. It feels like I die less on hunter cos of all that and it's ranged.
echo rapids
Hunter is quite tanky if you are good with turtle
meager hound
Hey, we've got Victory Rush, ok? We have no reason to complain.
echo rapids
I need a second charge of heroic leap
eternal sundial
thank your evoker
quiet breach
if you dont get oneshot the content you do is too easy
ig a good way to describe it is warrior is extremely resistant to low to medium damage
mage can get one shot on accident if they forget to refresh barrier if too many casts go off
but that could never happen to warrior
but mage can also live turbo stupid shit too
its all about damage for sight with them
earnest canyon
ig a good way to describe it is warrior is extremely resistant to low to medium ...
Yes hunter can take a few big hits and a one shot, but constant incoming damage when you use all personals just kills you without heals
quiet breach
Yes hunter can take a few big hits and a one shot, but constant incoming damage ...
warrior is very good at dealing with constant incoming medium damage
steep fable
imagine season 3 when we are hitting BT all the time....we gonna be like off-tanks
eternal sundial
(df s3)
olive wraith
Ya tww s3 won’t be as much bt spam as Df
quiet breach
I have barely touched arms but like
they have ass survivability right?
seeing what they have it seems pretty ass
compared to other melee specs I've seen
and compared to fury
quiet breach
also I know about rogue and dk survivability but not DH survivability
undone flower
They don’t have 10% DR from enrage and hp, that’s it
undone flower
They still have spell reflect, which just puts arms in top cd def ppl
Just not as top as dk,
undone flower
I think he is the guy who puts the pregnant emoji and aggro archi
From like 5 months ago
undone flower
Yes it was amazing to witness ngl
eternal sundial
archi was in my dms telling me to stop 😔
(so i did)
(ban was imminent and i dont want to be banned)
undone flower
The Taboo emoji
eternal sundial
nah it was annoying gif spam
earnest canyon
When was this?
earnest canyon
It's pretty chill in here oh
quiet breach
man
undone flower
And it happened in nerubar again
quiet breach
I wish rally was a real ability 😩
undone flower
#fury message
I found it
dense elbow
Who dont look at that and think it is weird? It is weird
thick fossil
I certainly did a double take on it. lol.
fast mural
if i dont look at it i wouldnt think its weird your right
fast mural
eternal sundial
i love laying an egg at work
edgy widget
wut?
safe charm
U think fury will be better than arms new season?
edgy widget
not sure what you're getting at, but seeing as your first comment this year is apparently to start some drama, I'm just going to go ahead and save us all the trouble
olive wraith
U think fury will be better than arms new season?
Yes
inland flame
U think fury will be better than arms new season?
I think the concensus is that Fury is better in all content atm
edgy widget
I think the consensus is that Death Knight is better in all content atm
inland flame
dapain
edgy widget
and everyone knows there's no room for second place!
why even play the game if you're not best at everything 
inland flame
every class isn't the best at everything all the time why even play
olive wraith
Ya warriors are the worst they can’t even do high keys
storm birch
nethergate buffed don't think it matters tho
olive wraith
Not enough utility
plush zephyr
dense elbow
If ya aint #1, who cares what you say you are to make yourself feel better about the situation. If ya aint #1 you are a loser. Git gud #rekt
earnest canyon
If ya aint #1, who cares what you say you are to make yourself feel better about...
spare steppe
I think the consensus is that Death Knight is better in all content atm
Prot warrior is in a better place than blood at least
olive wraith
I swear I thought prot was looking great
spare steppe
Ooof delve trinkets nerfed
dense elbow
Oh no, not the delve trinkies, oh the humanity, what a world... what a world.
fading sky
Prot looked so good they nerfed arms😅
echo rapids
Prot was as tanky and had as much self healing as VDH for a minute there which i guess sets off alarm bells at blizzard
tepid cedar
I haven’t seen a trinket that really stands out ( to me) imo
Wonder what our bis trinkets will be
storm birch
I'm strongly leaning toward pacemaker sacbrood so far
but changes to the trinkets can still happen
young swan
Wonder what our bis trinkets will be
just gonna be sacbrood pacemaker unless they buff stuff
cause they shot hoa trinket in the head
turbid river
I dont really care about m+ as long we do good in raid, but do we?
young swan
should
the main concern is whether or not the raid is well suited to melee, not so much concern on furys actual numerical performance
gonna be a weird tier im sure
the bosses look cool tho
if not simple
summer quail
whenever people say it's horrible for melee it always turns out alright
tight oyster
my first raid as melee dont scare me
modest condor
i remember ptr sylvanas
everybody was convinced you had no uptime as melee
then it turned out it was fine
young swan
its not that the bosses are melee unfriendly, its just VERY multidotter friendly
wooden burrow
i just saw FDK doing 60m on aoe pull in gambit lmfao but hey we got 5% dmg buff so yaaay
silk wharf
I'm still really surprised the massive outliers haven't been crushed yet.
olive wraith
Ya warrior is the worst spec in the entire game. Let’s all go Fdk
young swan
i just saw FDK doing 60m on aoe pull in gambit lmfao but hey we got 5% dmg buff ...
when was that
cause they've been nerfed like 5 times or something
wooden burrow
when was that
just today on yoda ptr stream
young swan
oh wow
wooden burrow
Ya warrior is the worst spec in the entire game. Let’s all go Fdk
it does seem like FDK arc, i dont even think we can get even close to those numbers
wooden burrow
i dont think its about being #1. its more so about doing less than half of the top dps numbers thats the problem
junior gale
nah it always boils down to being #1
slim coral
Surely cd buffs this week
wooden burrow
if thats what u wanna convince yourself with sure go ahead brother man.
junior gale
30+ something dps specs all with varying dmg profiles shits not gonna be balanced in the minigame that is M+
you can play fury and get title and do whatever
young swan
30+ something dps specs all with varying dmg profiles shits not gonna be balance...
stop ragebaiting
junior gale
wooden burrow
30+ something dps specs all with varying dmg profiles shits not gonna be balance...
title is at 3790 only 12 fury warrior currently can get said title lmfao man
eternal sundial
L vape @young swan
summer quail
cant play the game unless your #1
real which is why there are no warrior players
meager gyro
Just stop playing this game and do something productive. It’s been devolving into something annoying for them to manage because of hero trees + spec trees ever since DF talents increased player power with extreme variation in talent powers. Just play another game at this point and let them ruin the game without it ruining your leisure time.
wooden burrow
we got buffed so that we can barely do S2 dmg in S3 amazing buffs
summer quail
we got buffed so that we can barely do S2 dmg in S3 amazing buffs
holy moly it's so bad that i genuinely cannot tell if bait or not
junior gale
hes special forgive him
olive wraith
Nono. He’s right fury is totally shit bags. We won’t be able to complete high level keys
We are hard capped at 10s
junior gale
yup
modest condor
ofcourse it's bait
junior gale
sorry physically cant do 11s its gg
modest condor
dude made up some random numbers
wooden burrow
i like how the response is personal attack instead of constructive critisicim im sleep
modest condor
if you want constructive criticism dont come in saying that a fdk is doing 18mil overall
obviously nobody is gonna take you serious
olive wraith
we got buffed so that we can barely do S2 dmg in S3 amazing buffs
When you say stuff like this. Criticism will go nowhere
wooden burrow
i dont think ive said something wrong
junior gale
summer quail
holy moly it's real
wooden burrow
doing s2 overall numbers in s3 is an "okay spot" ?
olive wraith
Phys comp will still be good next season
olive wraith
doing s2 overall numbers in s3 is an "okay spot" ?
This is wrong
Idk where you’re getting that
wooden burrow
i literally saw biz stream yesterday and before yesteday on ptr and he's always around 8-10m overall lmfao
like what
olive wraith
Everyone is?
olive wraith
Who’s doing 7m
young swan
Everyone is?
i mean hes literally just comparing top end of s2 to fury next season
surely u arent this dense
wooden burrow
very condescending way of "seeking" something tbh u just brushed it aside assuming its fake when its not
olive wraith
? Alright brother
Clearly you don’t want a convo after getting insulted by people dismissing you
Good luck with your keys this season
wooden burrow
i think the ones insulting arent the ones seeking a convo
olive wraith
young swan
okay but also
what convo are you actually seeking by crying about a clear overperformer gapping fury
young swan
do you know what other classes are performing like?
summer quail
coz this is yodas stream. fdk 7.9m overall
olive wraith
I’d also like to see rando pugs doing 7m overalls please
summer quail
and according to him biz is doing 8-10 overall. well that is more than that fdk, so clearly fury is better
junior gale
wooden burrow
sure i will get a scrnshot.
wooden burrow
do you know what other classes are performing like?
i do know that Fdk, Dev, locks and mage and pretty strong right now
sinful spoke
ble ble ble
olive wraith
Yes that’s true
young swan
i do know that Fdk, Dev, locks and mage and pretty strong right now
missing feral
junior gale
waaaahhhhh waaahhhhh why is my spec not #1
frosty scroll
🫃
🦵 🥚
wooden burrow
waaaahhhhh waaahhhhh why is my spec not #1
bruv ive played fury almost exclusively since TBC prepatch lmfao its not about #1
inland flame
Honestly just nerf us to post-nerf pre-buff Aug tier we deserve it
junior gale
keep telling yourself that
wooden burrow
thats almost 20 years
young swan
bruv ive played fury almost exclusively since TBC prepatch lmfao its not about #...
u seem to be under the impression that fury is somehow worse next season than it is this season
but its like
WAY better
by a lot
wooden burrow
u seem to be under the impression that fury is somehow worse next season than it...
no i agree its WAY better never said its not
junior gale
Fury in a good spot since the meatcleaver change
young swan
they'll get brought under control eventually
what ur feeling now is the same that other people were feeling about fury w1 of nerubar
what can do
young swan
Fury in a good spot since the meatcleaver change
was in a good spot before that
wooden burrow
if being #1 is all i care about then i'd switch and play whatever is popping every season but i dont
junior gale
was in a good spot before that
yeah but meatcleaver buff def solidified it
junior gale
if being #1 is all i care about then i'd switch and play whatever is popping eve...
then stop complaining about numbers. Move on you have no control over it none of us do
frank dawn
I know people don’t care about it as much, but how many specs can actually compete with us for boss damage in m+ spec. I feel like our ST kind of fuckin cranks in m+ build
wooden burrow
then stop complaining about numbers. Move on you have no control over it none of...
brother u clamied u can play fury and get title which is not true bcuz currently only 12 fury warrior from can get said title if im wrong please correct me bcuz numbers say otherwise
olive wraith
We’re no arcane but we do have prio
young swan
I know people don’t care about it as much, but how many specs can actually compe...
not next patch
as far as I know
thane prio dam is bad
slayer has good prio dam but doesnt do aoe
junior gale
brother u clamied u can play fury and get title which is not true bcuz currently...
so those 12 people who decided to keep playing fury dont count at all LMAO. Not many people played fury because community preception and arms being better means theres gonna be way less players playing it. It is an absolute fact that fury is good enough to do title range keys
olive wraith
so those 12 people who decided to keep playing fury dont count at all LMAO. Not ...
To add. It’s easier to play arms this season cause fury is down bad. Next season it’s the reverse
frank dawn
Arms needs god
wooden burrow
u cannot play fury and get title
olive wraith
You can
junior gale
olive wraith
It’s just easier to do it as arms
junior gale
This guy cluegi deluxe bait lord
olive wraith
And how many prot
frank dawn
I mean most title players are gonna reroll to meta classes
The leftovers are the minority of an already minority part of the player base
wooden burrow
i really dont get it man there are over 200 DKS who can get said title for example