#fury

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limber oar
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in practice, with DE you will always have enough enrage time to do at least 2 raging blows before sending rampage w/o enrage dropping

modest condor
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none of the other yellow names do fury apl related stuff so they would have had to have heard it from someone else, the only people i would trust when it comes to that are archi and sarri

limber oar
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the idea Bazed is talking about is does sending unenraged raging blows to power up a brutal finish rampage still count as dps gain

viscid mauve
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Most times, it is fine but someone was talking about newer players and I can see this scenario happening to them if especially they are not specced to DE which not all builds do.

fast mural
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newer player wont do this

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newer players would use the 1 button rotation

slim coral
viscid mauve
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is dropping enrage worth getting 2 RBs + Rampage in after bladestorm?

limber oar
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you wont drop enrage

modest condor
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if you're playing deft experience and you used a rampage before bladestorm you're not dropping enrage before 2 rbs

limber oar
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^^

viscid mauve
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that might be true, I will have to test that during next weeks sprocket but I am pretty sure I had moment where I was about to drop enrage if I went in 2x RB

urban condor
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but what about when you don't have deft experience talented?

modest condor
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as long as the 2nd rb is still within enrage it doesnt matter that it drops during the gcd

viscid mauve
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the bigger question is if you should commit to that or stick to keeping enrage

limber oar
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with 2 DE you can raging blow at least 4 times b4b after BS before rampage

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assuming you rampage before BS

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and you get all the raging blow resets

fast mural
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and 2 times with 1 DE

limber oar
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lemme test it with 0 DE see what happens

fast mural
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especially in lust btw

smoky vale
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idk what version thta was

viscid mauve
modest condor
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it's not a hard rule but it's a good thing to follow

limber oar
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you do not want to drop enrage during BS so you typically rampage right before it

viscid mauve
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If you rampage right before you bladestorm each time, then yeah I can see your point. Might be something I need to incorporate to my rotation as a simple rule

smoky vale
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only rule in rotation

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is press cds on cd

viscid mauve
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true but if you have deft experience so you also know bladestorm bloodthirst hits will lengthen enrage just enough

limber oar
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anyways with 0 DE i still got at least 2 raging blows before enrage wore off

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🤷‍♂️

low folio
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raging blow booo

hot chasm
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new to the spec entirely, and reading the last like 100 messages
thinking about going slayer fury for s3, good idea or should i look elsewhere?

modest condor
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im assuming you're talking about m+?

viscid mauve
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I am just curious if we should commit into 2 x RBs or not after bladestorm even when it comprimises enrage uptime. Boss fights are not as static as dummy practice and I have seen this having been an issue a few times.

modest condor
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if so it depends on what your goals are, do you just want to farm weeklies? sure go slayer fury
do you want to push a little but dont care about title range? slayer still works
do you want to push title range? you can probably still get away with it but if you really want to play fury thane is looking better (also play a different class)

fast mural
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or ask for PI

hot chasm
low folio
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when i did limited testing on dummies, i barely could find a difference in damage for aoe between the thane and slayer. but thane being tankier even at equal damage would definitely put it ahead in dungeons. but still limited play test

modest condor
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then yeah slayer fury go for it

toxic jewel
low folio
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i mean wouldnt slayer scale better in higher target

hot chasm
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definetely gonna be checking around a little more, but my first idea of enhance shammy is looking a bit scuffed PEPW

urban condor
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Does it matter for the first strike of rampage if we are enraged or not before doing our brutal finish?

viscid mauve
modest condor
hot chasm
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y did it do that to my emote wth

viscid mauve
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so the cap is not even 2 RBs but can be 3 depending on your procs

low folio
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idk if i believe that, but i didnt have time to do dungeons on ptr

limber oar
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In the most ideal world you cap 5x slaughtering strikes before sending a BF rampage

smoky vale
modest condor
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tblast can be upwards of 30% of your overall depending on pullsize and 4set procs

smoky vale
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only xan approved ones

hot chasm
viscid mauve
modest condor
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sometimes, but not often

limber oar
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Can do 4 for sure np

storm birch
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If you do though that rampage cooks keks

limber oar
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The 5th potentially might not be enraged but silmarilen here has said that even an unraged raging blow is still dps gain

storm birch
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Nice feeling

limber oar
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Soooo

olive wraith
modest condor
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i just checked and using unenraged raging blows is basically the same as ignoring brutal finish altogether, but sims have rampage at 4 stacks of ss so it never uses a 5th one

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so basically as long as you dont press more than 4 raging blows you're gonna be fine, but once enrage drops you should press rampage

limber oar
modest condor
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i think the only time that would be possible is during lust

smoky vale
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even with frenzied?

modest condor
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and tbh i dont really feel like checking that

limber oar
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idk im smacking a target dummy rn and on pull i think i can get it, resets permitting

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ya i definitely couldve

viscid mauve
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I havent been able to go over 3 RBs on dummy, the 4th RB proc does not arrive before enrage drop (have 2x DE)

limber oar
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hit your buttons faster

fast mural
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are you playing powerfull enrage ?

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or just low haste in general

viscid mauve
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should I archi said either way you are likely to get the same output regarding enrage uptime

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yeah nah, its not the enrage uptime, the 4th RB proc just does not arrive most times cuz I even waited a second or two before pressing rampage for that 4th RB proc

limber oar
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what.

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we know oyu dont always get 4

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cause you might not get two raging blow resets

viscid mauve
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yeah nvm, I was able to get the 4th a few times after putting mana oils and doing a few more testing, just gotta a bit more patient waiting for that 4th sometimes

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we're good.

limber oar
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what

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patient?

toxic jewel
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why wait for the 4th lol

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keep them gcd's rolling

limber oar
viscid mauve
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I mean I waited maybe 0.5 seconds extra for the 4th proc while my enrage was still up?

fast mural
limber oar
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this is not real life

viscid mauve
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anyhow, wanted to see if I can plug in 4 RBs before rampage so was a good learning experience

gleaming siren
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.5 seconds is an eternity

fast mural
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imagine the amount of gcds you lose over a fight doing that

flat river
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real

fading sky
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Just send shit?

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Its fury why think

flat river
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if you don't hear "i can't do that yet" then you aren't playing right

fading sky
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Facts

limber oar
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i got the fabled enraged 5 raging blows for BF rampage

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im pretty sure i only can get it cause the 2nd to last bloodthirst from my BS reset my enrage and then the last 1 extended my enrage by 1 second which gave me just enough time to get off 5 raging blows in that time

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so basically its not really realistic

fading sky
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Who cares

limber oar
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ur mom

gleaming siren
fading sky
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Rule is just send as many b4 enrage id out

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Or rb is out

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And ramp that shit

viscid mauve
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I mean if you are about to get the 5th RB, would you not go for it at that point even if enrage might drop?

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that's like what? 100% boost on rampage?

gilded pawn
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Going from 4 to 5 stacks isn’t 100%

fading sky
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Nope id just ramp

viscid mauve
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5 x 20% isn't 100% ?

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the average fury warrior has what, 60-70% mastery?

gilded pawn
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What’s the difference between 4x20 and 5x20

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1x20

marble pilot
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Going from 80 to 100 isnt 100%

viscid mauve
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if you are RBing the 5th inside the enrage window

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and then rampage

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does the rampage not benefit from the enrage it is going to cause ?

limber oar
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it does

gleaming siren
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@lost saffron why are you a mage

viscid mauve
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ok so, the rampage during enrage 1 window (while you are spamming 5x RBs) versus rampage during enrage 2 window (the one that the rampage itself causes) both would benefit from your mastery, yes?

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thus going for the 5th RB might be worth if it is within enrage window

gilded pawn
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All depends on how long you gotta wait

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And you are thinking too much about this

olive wraith
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Even if it was an increase it would probably be like .1%

gilded pawn
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0.1 is on the high end

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Ngl

olive wraith
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And it just sounds awful to play that way

gilded pawn
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It’s like half a vanilla rampage

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Every 30 seconds

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Sometimes

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Not even all the time

viscid mauve
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Anyhow, I learned quite a bit by the discussion. In the end of the day, this is a channel to share ideas, what people do with them is up to them.

silk wharf
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Maybe it makes me bad but I don't even do the RB's out of storm most of the time. I found that it was desynching my cds just enough to be troublesome with fight timings.

limber oar
fresh creek
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what are the builds for fury for next patch?

olive wraith
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Thane is pretty much the same as of right now

steep fable
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do we still need a BT-tracker WA in season 3?

olive wraith
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You drop hack n slash for something

gleaming siren
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Same as this patch except Thane drops some RB support and Slayer drops BT support

fresh creek
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cool

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so same playstyle as this tier

gleaming siren
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And I'd assume not for Thane since that spec wants to slam BT on CD now anyway

olive wraith
fresh creek
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u use it on cd no aswell tho if its buffed

gleaming siren
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Think it's more about the crit tracking

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Which to my knowledge is mostly dead now

olive wraith
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Ye send tb when you get it

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Someone mentioned bt being higher prio than ramp on aoe

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Gonna wait for sims to come out before saying for sure though

winter shoal
undone flower
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I saw the 5 Slaughtering Strike topic, you need to RB before your bs if you really are a fan of useless accomplishment if we can call it

winter shoal
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schmidi are you brown man in NS this tier?

storm birch
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I like AoE bladestorm SS optimization. WW -> rampage -> Bladestorm -> 2 RB -> rampage with 2 RB stacks. Feelspumpman

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Oh wait

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Fixed

winter shoal
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So many missed potential reap procs

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no bt in there and you're gonna have to ww again so that's 2 gcds that could've been BT for reap proc

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gg

storm birch
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Doesn’t rb do reap now with overwhelm or w/e

winter shoal
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Doesn't scale with target count like BT does

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BT is like 67% proc chance on 5t, RB is still the same 20% or whatever

storm birch
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But it’s enhanced 150% right?

winter shoal
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Yeah

storm birch
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Wonder which is more worth

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Need numbers

winter shoal
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BT almost certainly, rn you BT > ramp as slayer at like 4+ targets

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That probably goes to 5 or 6 on next patch but it's still above RB for sure

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for slayer in aoe only*

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single target slayer hates the BT button

fresh creek
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so basicly ST always RB

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no more pressing bt with high stacks?

winter shoal
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Not sure

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probably doesn't matter too much though

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You'll still press it as filler over like ww or whatever, so whenever you press it you'll be at high BC stacks

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Whether it's worth it to press earlier or not idk

fresh creek
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y that will be seen when tier starts i guess

storm birch
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Hm so the bloodthirst potential normal reap proc in AoE is better than SS stacks, the 4 set reap procs from rb? How many targets does the RB reap effect? I didn’t even see that part

winter shoal
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RB reap is the same as BT reap (at a higher effectiveness), it's just that the chance to proc doesn't scale with target count for the RB 4set proc like BT does

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I'm not sure about the SS thing btw

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Just a guess

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BT in aoe fuk gud tho

storm birch
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Basically it would be 40% increased damage on the overwhelm rampage at the end of your WW stacks after BS

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Interesting interesting. I’ll have to try moving BT up in my prio list next time I play during ale

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Aoe*

undone flower
storm birch
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I was kinda just full sending RB and bloodthirst when needed

undone flower
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Bc reap

storm birch
undone flower
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Yes I missed where you ww, but it is not important, it’s just you would want to BT> doing SS shenanigans

storm birch
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Ima test that out. I hate working weekends. I need answers Chadstorm

undone flower
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That’s more what message I want to say

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I modified it, not 100% sure if you can consistently do it bc enrage (I’m mostly sure yes)

storm birch
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It gets sketchy sometimes. I always know that I can fit my 2 RB in then rampage again then WW and keep it pushin but that’s A lot of time not bloodthirsting if BT really is a much larger gain in 4+ targets

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I just gotta test it out some and see. I’ll just change my prio to basically the same as thane at that point just adding in SD to the mix

plush zephyr
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It's a country songs, and hilarious.

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I GOT RICEE COOOOKIN IN THE RIIIICE COOOKER

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doesn't ring the same

olive wraith
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Tryna make microwave popcorn

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In the microwave

thick fossil
plush zephyr
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No

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It's literally an american staple

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GOTAA THREE DAY BEARD DON'T PLAN TO SHAVE

thick fossil
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Oh Jesus, Travis Tritt. I haven't heard this guy in years.

plush zephyr
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LOL

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I miss goofy feel good country shit

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not whatever the processed slop that is today

thick fossil
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I'm not much of a country fan, but my parents love it. I grew up having to listen to it a lot. So Travis Tritt days.... shit I was a teen when he got famous.

plush zephyr
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silly feel good vibe music (doesn't matter genre) = good for soul

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but so is deathcore and black metal okayge

still obsidian
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Yo, can I axe a rotation question? I'm currently playing slayer with cleave on Gally mythic. What is the usual priority for using BT, RB, and rampage? Do I smack RB on proc?

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Just assuming I'm focusing Gally and cleaving off him for adds which is probably wrong but to keep it simple.

opal summit
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Maybe I missed it somewhere, but what’s the talent build for warr on PTR? For m+

dense sedge
olive wraith
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But it’s looking like the same build, just drop hack n slash for something

opal summit
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Ppl are playing spear too aren’t they?

storm birch
dense elbow
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Gamba gamba, spear gamba - highroll for big dam

olive wraith
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Spear is technically better

storm birch
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Spear + bladestorm Chadstorm chatting

olive wraith
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Cause roar is ass

storm birch
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Worst part is just trying to line them up

dense elbow
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yep spear + OF, giga value wowzers

olive wraith
dense elbow
opal summit
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Loves it thx all

modest condor
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spear lost a little bit of value after the hoa trinket nerf

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it's kinda just equal with roar

olive wraith
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They both just stink

olive wraith
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It’s real sad

modest condor
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makes sense that when the trinket gets nerfed the value of spear drops

olive wraith
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Any chance there’s a better 2 talents than the capstones

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3% overall is so snooze

modest condor
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i mean roar already plays only baseline roar with 2x crit afaik

olive wraith
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Oh?

modest condor
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you could probably drop base roar for something else

olive wraith
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I guess that’s not bad

spare steppe
echo rapids
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What’s our trinket breakdown look like? Can we mostly skip delves?

limber oar
olive wraith
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Jury still out

limber oar
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im trying to find it but struggling

modest condor
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something stone idol i think

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it's not on the ptr vendor last i heard

limber oar
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cursed stone idol?

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ya i was trying to find it on the m+ loot page on wowhead but it wasnt showing up idk why

modest condor
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it's a new item

limber oar
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i see

storm birch
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Netherprism feels ok I just hate that the first pull of the dungeon won’t get any use out of it

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I’ve just been running that and pacemaker.

limber oar
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have you tried sacbrood pacemaker?

thick fossil
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Trinkets look like double passive until you get super lucky from raid.

storm birch
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I did get a sacbrood drop from a ara kara run I did. I didn’t play with it much cause double passive didn’t seem like it would be the greatest. Cause netherprism feels great when you have 10+ stacks for your avatar window

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I’ll have to use it. I was gonna try that so’Leah stat trinket too at some point

fast mural
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is that a super rare trinket ?

storm birch
olive wraith
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Double passive is poggers

storm birch
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Unyielding Netherprism drops from fractillus . I think 6th boss of new raid?

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Sacbrood is a M+ drop from ara kara.
So’leahs trinket is from gambit m+

fast mural
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i meant if its in the rare section of loot

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cause i imagine every melee wants that

storm birch
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I’m not aware of any of the 3 being in the rare section. Still not sure which you’re asking about though

fast mural
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the melee spymaster one

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idk wtf its called critcake

left perch
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@warm crag

summer quail
warm crag
cursive quiver
charred estuary
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Prism is for sure the raid trinket that you swap for pacemaker in m+

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I'd imagine sacbrood is set and forget

bitter palm
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mastery delve trinket is powerful

charred estuary
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If a delve trinket is bis I will self harm

olive wraith
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Didn’t they nerf it

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Haven’t been keeping up with trink tuning since sims will tell me eventually

bitter palm
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void fragment w/e

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its called

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all i know is

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im not playing netherprism

compact knot
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they buffed warrior while i was playing mop

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🐌

modest condor
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play mop more often

compact knot
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i plan on it

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arms warrior on mop is peak

storm rune
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I hear mop was super popular for a lot of specs

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Think I spent a couple weeks solo in the timeless isles or w/e they're called and then dropped the expansion once I got all the toys

open wigeon
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Another season playing juggernaut I guess

olive wraith
tepid cedar
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@slim coral what telent build u using on ptr

sinful spoke
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preferaly it also has core buttons

spare steppe
sinful spoke
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yes

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and odyns fury

plush zephyr
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OF

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lol

spare steppe
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How much of a buff does onslaught need to be usable

winter shoal
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Not a ton really

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It's good for SS stacking and we BS pretty frequently with new slayer tier

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SS + BF I mean

olive wraith
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If the tb talents swapped over

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Rb does more damage baseline right now

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So it would literally only be for enrage/ss stacks

winter shoal
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Well yeah, that's what ons does (or rather what tenderize does)

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It can only do the things it does

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If SS stacks become more important (because of higher frequency of BF, higher proportion of dam from rampage, etc) or enrage uptime becomes more important, ons becomes better

fluid pollen
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Did we get another 5%?

winter shoal
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Yesterday yeah

dense elbow
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Just you wait, 60-90% buff is coming

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I will be the won who laughs then

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It has happened before!

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It will do so again

tepid cedar
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lol jsut experienced forst dk for first time in ptr

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holy shit

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did a 10 streets finished at almost 7 mil dude was at 10 lolol

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fkn 7 mil st openers shits wild

dense elbow
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To be fair, 5% of that is your damage

inland flame
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Nerf Battle Shout

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We must nerf FDK at any cost

olive wraith
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Doesn’t frost have a decent amount of magic

gleaming siren
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This isn't the Monk discord

earnest canyon
earnest canyon
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Spooky frost dragon is magic

storm rune
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bring back spell hit rating and have it affect all magic damage sources

inland flame
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Take away MotW and put the spell hit Boomkin aura back in the game. Do not give spells a chance to miss.

earnest canyon
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Nooooooo hit sucks

dense elbow
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Have spells be able to get parried gladge

inland flame
inland flame
earnest canyon
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At least you have AC there... As the world gets hotter, fucking European houses that are designed to keep heat in are like ovens

inland flame
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I'm on vacation rn thank god my it was like 43C (110 Freedoms) at my house today. Been breaking a lot of heat records.

earnest canyon
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Fuck that anything over you 20c is too hot

inland flame
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Yeah Ive been staying in Cleveland OH in 33C and no one has AC up here, including my aunt I'm visiting lol

earnest canyon
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Idk why phone inserted you

inland flame
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Also AC breaks down sometimes. Not very fun.

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But yea we rely on AC hard

winter shoal
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My gym doesn't have AC and it's been over 100 heat index for like a month straight

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38ish C

winter shoal
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Oh I'm sweating all right

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Walk around leaving a trail of sweat like a damn slug

inland flame
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Yeah where I live in South Carolina were expected to break our record of longest streak of 90+F for all time in 3 days

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I really want to move further north someday

earnest canyon
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My Finnish friend has like triple glazed windows and his garage is like an airlock, but he said this summer is way too hot

inland flame
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Heat sucks. And can also kill you.

earnest canyon
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Yeah I hate it, also don't have AC. There have been days where opening the window makes a room hotter as it let's the warm in lol. That's weird to me.

inland flame
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Yeah being a little gremlin and locking myself in my apartment and running my gaming PC doesn't help on the heat part lol

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When the AC goes out during the Summer it can be TOUGH. And I do a lotta gremlining during the Summer since I'm a teacher lol.

earnest canyon
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Oh, what do you teach?

inland flame
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I teach high school Physics and Earth & Space Science.

earnest canyon
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Oh neat. I really enjoyed physics, but I think it's because the teacher looked and acted like doc brown from back to the future.

inland flame
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Lol yeah that'd help. Kids tend to be excited about Physics until the math and derivations step in. It can be a challenging course for them, especially AP. But fun.

earnest canyon
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Yeah I did the higher tier paper in high school and it was just all math and remembering formulae... The lowest tier paper was mostly written stuff like list the components an atom is made from and in this circuit, which of the light bulbs will turn on

inland flame
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Yeah especially AP it's a lot more than just remembering the formulae. A lot of application, derivations, logic. They actually get a paper with all of the formulae written down on it the day of the exam.

tepid cedar
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lol try being a firefighter in this heat. It has been absolutely miserable.

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Have had to had IV pumped 4x the past 3weeks after structure fires

olive wraith
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But fires are hotter than the weather clueless

earnest canyon
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Ah idk what it's like now but we had to remember loads.

earnest canyon
tepid cedar
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Sometimes

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I’m a captain now. So I run my own crew

inland flame
olive wraith
tepid cedar
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It’s miserable. You walk out, and rush to take shit off. Only for it to be about as hot as the devils ballsack outside as well

earnest canyon
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What pressure are those hoses? They look like you can ride them

tepid cedar
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Pressures all downs on distance/size/and nozzle size

earnest canyon
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Oh makes sense

tepid cedar
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Depend . Basically we have timeline formula for stuff

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But ur looking at 90-130 psi

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On avg

inland flame
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At least you get paid well rite? sadge

tepid cedar
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150-300 gpms

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Not as much as we should since life expectancy is 57 for firefighter due to cancer and heart attacks

earnest canyon
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130 psi is a lot

inland flame
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Yeah no America doesn't pay firefighters well for some reason. At least in the south. I know a few that have to have second jobs. As a teacher in the south I'm in a similar boat. Being on my own, I can just barely make it work ony salary. Thankfully I haven't had to get another job yet.

tepid cedar
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My wife’s a teacher as well

inland flame
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Fun fun

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Well 2 incomes helps a lot I'm sure, even if they're two jobs where people are criminally underpaid.

tepid cedar
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Teachers are fucked in the us

inland flame
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Altho there are some good districts in this country.

tepid cedar
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No funding

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No support from admin

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And severely underpaid

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For the importance they provide to society

inland flame
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Yeah I have 10 yrs exp and Masters and with my salary it's rough sometimes.

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Is what it is

left perch
earnest canyon
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My friend's wife quit being a teacher because of the school inspections, insane amount of paper work and box ticking out of hours, and having to teach some universal government script with no scope to say teach idk adhd kids differently.

inland flame
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Yeah not sure where you live but I'm sure there are problems all over the place. US definitely earned its rep for treating us poorly tho.

earnest canyon
#

Apparently here the salary is crap but you do it because you like teaching kids and the pension is good.

inland flame
#

Yeah I mean that's the meme you do it for the kids. And I'm sure it's true for most of us. It is a very special job that has a lot of perks that other jobs don't, in small ways. But also very hard. Going through training I had multiple people tell me "you'll probably cry sometimes during your first year" and yeah brother that shit was rough.

#

So much depends on where you teach and how much your admin sucks tho.

earnest canyon
#

It's the same here. Houses are way more expensive near the good state schools as they allocate places based on distance from the school

inland flame
#

Yeah schools get a lot of funding through property taxes in the US so if you live in an affluent area it probably has good public schools.

#

There are also private schools too tho ofc

earnest canyon
#

It's somewhat ironic to be talking about education in the warrior discord of all places. It's literally a 0 iq class by theme.

dusky moon
#

hey i do that

inland flame
#

We're breaking the mold. They're probably arguing about whether 2+2 equals 22 or 0 in the Mage server.

earnest canyon
#

Hahaha

dusky moon
#

to be clear, I say if a spark is available on Aug 5. We have no way of knowing unfortunately.

quiet breach
#

I think it will be a spark

dusky moon
#

I just dont know if there will be a spark

quiet breach
#

oh yeah it could be neither

undone flower
olive wraith
#

I mean you could def catalyst something Aug 5. But it would be big dumb

quiet breach
#

@winter shoal currently on live:
Slayer : BT > rampage 4+ targets

does this change next season?

#

bigbowwl u are now the reap expert of this discord congratulations

undone flower
#

It is half a spark per week + the first quest of the guy

quiet breach
#

i hvae asked u like 5 reap questions

inland flame
winter shoal
quiet breach
#

il edit to do 4+ its easier to read

winter shoal
#

Do you mean BT

#

instead of RB

waxen vale
#

still wrong

quiet breach
#

lol

waxen vale
undone flower
#

Yes BT W

winter shoal
#

In that case yes it changes next season because the opportunity cost of BT vs RB changes

#

I don't know what it changes to

#

Tbh if you're actually counting targets in practice that's psycho behavior

waxen vale
#

weakauras do that

undone flower
#

Talking about opportunity, opportunist slayer talent next season purpleface

waxen vale
#

till they kill em all 😦

quiet breach
winter shoal
#

More

quiet breach
#

or do u not know at all

winter shoal
#

There's no way it would be less

quiet breach
#

makes sense

#

BT is being devalued in thane too

#

with so many blast procs

#

ur casting it less

#

with 4 pc

winter shoal
#

I mean, it could also be the same as current, but it probably won't

young swan
winter shoal
#

BT is much higher prio as thane, if you don't have 2xTB already

young swan
#

bt giga value cause it procs tblast

#

and tblast procs tier

modest condor
#

bt gains giga value for thane next tier

narrow delta
#

Have anyone posted logs or SS of PTR fury? Am trying to compare to see if I am getting an accurate assesment of fury

#

(18 echodome)

winter shoal
#

Crit has some yt vids but they're before the aura buff yesterday

modest condor
#

tomelvis is built diff man

winter shoal
#

Rampage looks a little high on the damage breakdown

narrow delta
#

I died twice this key also didnt help

winter shoal
#

Zac is tomelvis btw

narrow delta
#

but thats not close he just gaps

keen kindle
#

Man its over for outlaw

orchid dagger
keen kindle
#

Good

#

Fuck the gambling addicts

narrow delta
#

but the 2deaths is not even close to that gap, I more wonder how much more a good fury can sqeeze out

winter shoal
#

Baze was also streaming some keys yesterday

#

After the aura buff

#

Could check his stream vods

undone flower
#

Or math what is 5% more damage

narrow delta
#

looks like the crit youtube might be a good reference

#

maybe I am just "supposed" to do 9mil

young swan
#

i think like 7.5-8.5 is prob pretty normal

#

pugs on ptr are insanely demonic

#

even with good players

chilly fractal
slim coral
fluid shadow
narrow delta
#

I found it, the dps breakdown looks very similar

#

ty to whoever reminded me of youtube vi

undone flower
#

Might as well talent out of few RB nodes

olive wraith
#

Not much else to take tbh

brittle crow
#

i might need to buy

#

the teto bread plushies

serene cloud
#

Hmm.. don't need the RB nodes, maybe it's SMF's turn to shine! ... likely not

olive wraith
#

Honestly might be the closest to TG next season

inland flame
#

Go SMF to craft a week 1 weapon big brane

olive wraith
#

But maybe closer than ever

orchid dagger
#

Yeah, you'd need a giga 1h to have SMF actually be on the table

chilly fractal
#

But when you factor in 1 handed Mogs it’s always on the table

orchid dagger
#

We aren't FDK

orchid dagger
#

We already do zdps

#

We don't need help shitting on it

slim coral
#

A few CD buffs next week surely

orchid dagger
hushed gust
#

look, the only reason we don't have an OF buff yet is because not enough people are sending out the angy juju

#

also requisite lamentation about pugging 15's, because fury bad.

covert blaze
#

this class kinda sucks ngl

sullen dove
#

of is mid unless it does 20% of your dmg or you get titans torment back

undone flower
#
  • you have to breach the critical thinking cost
#

pls blizzard switch onslaught with OF

drowsy topaz
#

guys roughly how much damage would i lose playing smf in m+?

young swan
#

prob like 10-15% or something

serene cloud
#

From memory, I believe it's something around 5-10% dps loss? That could be old information

dapper goblet
toxic jewel
#

so how's fury lookin for s3

dapper goblet
#

please read above

toxic jewel
#

right right, but will we be declined on everything we sign up for

marble pilot
#

5% less likely with aura buff

oblique thistle
earnest canyon
#

What's a good YouTube channel to fall asleep to?

young swan
#

outdoor boys

sullen dove
junior gale
sullen dove
young swan
junior gale
#

🐐

sullen dove
#

u in fonten yet

young swan
#

nah havent played this past week

young swan
#

thats a vil emote

#

he can do that one

sullen dove
#

did he add the other 2

young swan
#

get his yearly quota for mod actions

sullen dove
#

villiam very important moderator

#

powerful valkyr

young swan
#

yeah he added both of the others

sullen dove
#

popcorning peak

sullen dove
#

crazy how once I hit 90 in mop I’m instantly bored

#

solo queueing heroic dungeons on cd

#

friends gonna take like 3 weeks to hit 90

#

warrior mop very powerful surely xantage will play

#

arms good

young swan
#

oh yeah i can play that now

#

my warrior is very powerful (level 20)

sullen dove
#

nice

#

mine is lvl 66

young swan
#

but i would really like to play lategame fury

sullen dove
#

But like deep wounds is 80% of your dmg in dungeons

#

goes hard

young swan
#

thats pretty epic

sullen dove
#

and bladestorm actually does dmg

young swan
#

will prob just spam dungeons as prot until 90

#

tbh

sullen dove
#

true

#

Think prot does insane aoe too

#

at least in a couple of heroic dungeons prot has been clapping on giga target

young swan
#

epic

sullen dove
#

in like the scholomance students room me and prot were doing like 200k

young swan
#

feel like i need to actually play retail a bit tho

#

got my belt

sullen dove
#

and he beat me in the end

#

belt is mid

young swan
#

need to get my last dinars

sullen dove
#

dinars maybe good

#

did they add catchup to that yet

young swan
#

yeah need hoc and uh

#

jastor

sullen dove
#

or still 1 a week silliness

young swan
#

its there its just really bad

#

12 m+ per dinar

sullen dove
#

12???

#

or u mean per item

young swan
#

ye

sullen dove
#

Yea I mean can get 2 coins in a full raid clear

young swan
#

yeah thats pretty good

sullen dove
#

and idk do heroic too maybe faster prolly

young swan
#

need to do that eventually

sullen dove
#

4 bosses or 4 dungeons

young swan
#

i think im at like

#

2.5 coins

#

for 2nd item

sullen dove
#

pogga

young swan
#

think hoc is just kinda

#

better

#

than kezan

#

probably maybe

sullen dove
#

kezan insta booty

young swan
#

yeah i feel like that trinket is bait for dinar

sullen dove
#

at least hoc can serve decent in m+ next season

young swan
#

yeah hoc sick for farming new gear

sullen dove
#

doubt u in mythic long enough u don’t just have a new trinket

young swan
#

kinda what im thinkin

sullen dove
#

by the time u would want Kezan for like 7-8min fights

#

surely still won’t be better than like random champ/hero track trinket there

young swan
#

yeah its just getting omega gapped by heroic sacbrood/pacemaker

#

so mad they nuked the hoa trinket

#

dumb as fuck

sullen dove
#

o did that happen

#

Rip

young swan
#

yeah it went from like

#

20k crit

#

to 9k

#

or some shit

#

at heroic track

#

lemme check actually

sullen dove
#

fiya

#

you will never on use

young swan
#

nvm

#

it was 17k at m0 and it went to 7.5k m0

#

something like that

#

idk basically it got shot in the head and u will never look at it now

sullen dove
#

cool don’t have to do 2nd boss as much

#

(every other item still mandatory)

slim coral
#

Lots of yapping there

slim coral
cedar shuttle
#

Best in slot on on second hand (hero) better than crafted 681?

slim coral
#

Yes

cedar shuttle
#

merci

slim coral
#

De rien

dapper goblet
#

@slim coral grats on the pc trial

slim coral
dapper goblet
#

3 warrior tier

slim coral
#

It’s about time we were ass for one tier can’t let that happen again

sullen dove
dapper goblet
#

@sullen dove

#

you will never know this pain

storm birch
#

I’m beyond excited for some fresh content man . So hype

sullen dove
#

isn’t that the asmongold sword

#

in mogushan palace?

#

Or something else

dapper goblet
#

ye

sullen dove
#

lol

#

bro farmed that thing like 1k times never got

#

guess it must be rare I saw the 476 staff off gandling as a drop but imagine unrealistic to farm

past lance
#

i farmed the blood set the pieces have really low drop rates

#

i cant remember the exact name id have to login

slim coral
#

Only thing I’ve been farming is taeschalach

#

It won’t drop

hardy cargo
chilly fractal
spare nexus
#

Hello guys, which items do you suggest to craft before next patch?

#

Wirsts + Weap?

#

No Back, no Belt (earlygame), no Boots (lategame)

#

Best raid-wise sim suggests Wrists + Offhand (ascension + nerubian)

fading sky
#

I mean wris- belt when u got mythic weap

#

If not weap. Wrist.

#

At least im craftin weap week 3 unless godly vaults😅🤣

spare nexus
#

It looks like we are switching to Ascension as Fury, so weap will be Bis as off hand

#

I mean, we are going to change back slot soon, keep delves belt for a while and change boots in the future

#

And we have to craft before patch

#

Wrists + Offset (legs) as a transition in the new patch?

olive wraith
#

If you really wanna optimize that I guess wrist is fine

#

And a 2h

odd cipher
#

you have like 10 or 11 sparks rn, just craft every option at 681 and after that just sim

olive wraith
#

Emb prolly be replaced by ilvl anyway

spare nexus
#

Mmm, anyway we are goin to spend our first 60 Gilded on crafted item i suppose

#

(As Larias suggests in his guide)

indigo quarry
#

you always get a free crest somewhere

spare nexus
#

Looks like wirsts is 99% our early and late Bis

olive wraith
#

Nah wep

slim coral
#

There’s really no point in crafting

#

You’re replacing everything day one

mental rune
#

Probably 1st 2 sparks + 60 gilded on wep, then 3rd spark + free runed crest on wrists recrafting later

fading sky
#

Answer is always weap

slim coral
#

depends how lucky you get with mythic weapons

olive wraith
#

Isn’t emb best oh though

undone flower
#

The only acceptable craft this close of next season, is wrist bc you will wear it with your crafted wep until you craft S3 wrists

proven stream
#

do we replace s2 tier with 701 from keys

narrow fossil
#

Hello buddys any one knows the % of diminishing returns, in secondary stats?

slim coral
narrow fossil
#

U mean simulation craft?

slim coral
trail locust
#

when we get the new legi back in the next patch. Did you guys already precraft dawn/duskthread lining from back to another slot?

slim coral
#

only slot you can really craft rn is your wrist

#

because a weapon will just be replaced asap and the waist we currently have is better

narrow fossil
#

Which emeblishment will you put in the 1st weapon crafted?

trail locust
#

so start with ascension and wrist doubling the weapon enchant right?

fading sky
#

Ye

#

Once u can upgrade weap

#

No point worring bout emb until u can make mythic weap

slim coral
smoky vale
grand river
#

Hey guys, i want to play again WoW and main my old fury in 11.2. Is it still a thing hat fury is target capped? I see on Raider.io furys can also run like +20. i am not aiming for this, maybe at least a +12-15 or something like this

slim coral
#

you can even get title as fury just fine it's just long wait times once you get to push key level

grand river
#

yeah i think i will play in a guild group

grand river
slim coral
grand river
#

i mean with that long wait times. i dont like playing arms that much

slim coral
#

yeah arms isn't the best rn in terms of fun

outer rover
#

No odyns fury but…

summer roost
fading sky
#

If u just play as arms its ok

hot shore
#

Are we crafting 2hander this next season? Mythic 2hander drops from 4th boss in raid.

hollow juniper
#

So mage has 3 s tier spec but warrior has 2 B spec🤨

hot shore
#

PTR ain't overcopium

#

And 1st week tunning

formal ravine
#

Can someone remind me what hte beta version of skull banner before dragonflight release did?

#

The one that never made it live obviously

wheat kayak
#

what trinkets feel decent on PTR? i feel like im kinda cheesing by wearing my house of cards and just scaling it up

frosty scroll
#

where should we recraft cloak to replace it besides wrists?

humble shadow
#

You guys think they'll buff arms a good amount to where fury won't be played again? I have a feeling that will happen and I don't want it to

fading sky
#

Wont be played

#

Wdym?

#

M+?

#

Coz in raid fury was played a lot

humble shadow
#

For m+

fading sky
#

Well even if arms is buffed, u can still fury?

#

Current tuning makes medium+ strong

#

Atm on live fury is super duper shit

#

Which is why u dont c

humble shadow
#

I just meant like getting into group people would be looking for a arm warr more then a fury warr

fading sky
#

No1 is lookin for a war

humble shadow
#

People would be*

#

Lol

#

True

fading sky
#

Then prot

#

Like i mean fury atm seems to do very well

#

And if u arent there for pug to title

#

Like i did 16s as fury, dmg was bad still timed, with no meta setup

plush zephyr
# fading sky No1 is lookin for a war

shit man I love having warriors- I've yet to invite a warrior and them not do a ton of interrupts and mass stuns. People can fuck off the "no utility" talk.

#

I get it our tool kit isn't deep

#

but ppl not inviting warrs is dumb

fading sky
#

But hmm i think its ret lile

#

Either they are hooorid

#

Or greatest

plush zephyr
#

I usually don't have good luck with pallys or dhs

slim coral
#

no one does

fading sky
#

I never take em

#

Ret is the top 1-5%

#

Are very good then it drops so fast

hard widget
#

What do we play on ptr nowadays

#

As fury

#

AM thane?

summer quail
#

yes

hard widget
#

aight

tepid cedar
south kayak
#

No

summer quail
#

seen lots of people drop hns since on aoe you just bt on cd

south kayak
#

You use a lot more BT

#

Why would you drop VC

south kayak
#

Ignore that

#

Doesn’t matter what you play

hard widget
#

Ill just send AM thane ig

south kayak
#

Spear was stronger before they nerfed a specific trinket on ptr

hard widget
#

How far behind is slayer?

summer quail
#

spear before they nerfed the halls trinket was giga

south kayak
#

Dunno how far

#

Slayer isn’t bad though

slim coral
summer quail
tepid cedar
#

Oh shit they nerfed the trinket from halls?

south kayak
#

Yep

summer quail
#

gutted it

#

it's trash now

south kayak
#

It was op but idk if killing it was the solution lol

hard widget
#

Lets see

#

Havent played fury in a while

#

So itll probably be meh anyways

#

but streets 15

#

so idunno

south kayak
#

Spam BT on cd

#

TB highest priority

#

Easy

summer quail
#

you'll be fine, just press bt on cd on aoe. on st same rotation as live

south kayak
#

Trinket

south kayak
#

??

summer quail
#

you are not

south kayak
#

Why not

tepid cedar
#

Can’t wait for updated apl to go ape on simming shit

summer quail
#

it's not worth dps wise

#

same answer as most things i guess hahahh

south kayak
#

Can’t believe a tier set this big that helps you with giga TB and you don’t even wanna use BT on cd

south kayak
summer quail
#

i haven't tested myself. i know alot of people don't use hns

#

cba ptr ping as a fast spec like fury

hard widget
#

Dude

#

Our dmg

#

Is so mid

#

damn

south kayak
fast mural
#

thats the warrior life

summer quail
#

wat, fury pretty good on ptr. better than arms

south kayak
#

You might not be playing optimally

#

Because fury isn’t mid

slim coral
#

our damage isn't mid tho

drowsy heron
#

Tav streets, is this bad?

slim coral
#

I think when I did streets with Gajeel I ended at 5.14 as fury

drowsy heron
#

ok, i wasnt using food or pots so that might be a big chunk of the diff

#

feels better than i thought then going into next season.

glad coyote
#

link spec

drowsy heron
glad coyote
#

so people area get rid of roar and use spear

drowsy heron
#

i heard the difference wasnt that much

glad coyote
#

try it

slim coral
radiant plank
#

Thane i think spear with 2x capstone might be better

#

u arent gonna missout on the exe dam since thane doesnt press exe

modest condor
#

definitely not 2 capstones

glad coyote
slim coral
modest condor
#

1% crit is probably still better than 50% damage to an ability that you only use to buff other abilities

#

looks like spear is -0.5% single target and +0.3% aoe compared to roar
that's with double spear capstone

#

so i think it's just back to roar

modest condor
#

or maybe even just skip the choice altogether and get an extra utility talent or something

drowsy heron
#

something like this?

sullen tendon
#

I hate ravager

drowsy heron
#

I miss DF ravager

sullen tendon
#

Oh

#

Well I hate ravager

glad coyote
#

sames

modest condor
#

yeah looks fine

south kayak
#

As TWW ravager

modest condor
#

i personally think storm bolts (the thane talent) is bait and you're genuinely better off just talenting into the intervene shield just so you dont make storm bolt worse

#

even if you dont have intervene itself talented

sullen tendon
#

They should make stormbolt a giant nuke again

south kayak
#

They should have made it a big dps cd if the target is immune to stun again

#

For thane

drowsy heron
#

we dont have the str boosting part that we had in DF

south kayak
#

Sure but it’s still the same ability, only unhinged instead of a str buff

sullen tendon
#

Give me all the aura buffs in the world. It won’t make a difference until they remove ravager, fix raging blow, and give us utility worth taking.

glad coyote
#

storm bolts is great for m+

sullen tendon
#

Stubs are bad

#

Stuns

#

All we have is stuns

#

People don’t want stuns in m+ they want Knock backs knock ups and things that disorientate

#

Because every class has a stun now and it gets insta drd

drowsy heron
#

only thing i REALLY want is soft cap on Meat cleaver

#

sick of this hard cap bullshit

sullen tendon
#

They will eventually change it

#

But in blizzard fashion it will happen way after when it was needed

modest condor
# glad coyote storm bolts is great for m+

how? 90% of the time you're fighting more than 3 targets on trash so those 2 extra storm bolts are probably going on mobs that arent casting and the casts you wanted to stun will go through anyway

#

you're just adding DR to mobs that dont need to be stunned

sullen tendon
#

Like they’ll remove some abilities and add new uncapped aoe abilities to fury and THEN they will uncap meat cleaver.

modest condor
#

all it does is increase the cooldown and mess with mobs you dont want to stun

sullen tendon
#

But they’ll reduce its damage by 30% becusee aoe comes from the new abilities now

radiant plank
sullen tendon
#

Completely invalidating the need for it and allowing them to act as if they were in the right

dense elbow
#

Classic Arms warrior take, with their knockup shockwave. Toxic take.

#

"just shockwave and DR the stun, who cares, kek"

sour frigate
#

Skill issue.

sour frigate
glad coyote
sour frigate
#

mates decided to die few times on last boss

sour frigate
glad coyote
#

nicee

dense elbow
#

Should've used shockwave and stormbolt more

earnest canyon
feral ivy
#

any PBE players know the top classes atm for s3?

sour frigate
graceful drift
summer quail
earnest canyon
#

What's pbe?

shrewd knoll
#

Ptr

earnest canyon
#

Oh

shrewd knoll
#

Public beta environment, league of legends terminology i believe

shrewd knoll
#

😂

vale gale
fading sky
modest condor
#

if that bloodthirst didnt proc an enrage you would be wasting like 50% damage

vale gale
#

ohh yeah thank you! thats a big thing

feral ivy
#

is there a way to increase font size of item discription?

sour frigate
quiet breach
fast mural
#

gambling on procing enrage instead of just ramping is crazy

inland flame
#

Ya like just Ramp lol

#

That ragu is there for a raison

fast mural
#

its not like we are rage starved

junior stream
#

hello! I have an opti question for s3 - I came across a Gdoc saying that you shouldn't leave any embellishments on your weapon (and hope to drop one in week 2 or in the vault) - is this also the case for fury hands? knowing that we need 2 weapons anyway

tight idol
#

Not to shabby

quiet breach
#

its forgiving af

fast mural
inland flame
#

Have I mentioned I hate embellishments yet? I should mention I hate embellishments.

fast mural
#

so your gonna be replacing your waepon embelishment faster
for example if you have them on wrists its gonna take a way bigger ilvl increase for you to replace them

fast mural
junior stream
smoky vale
#

in most cases

#

you craft weapon wrist for raid prog

#

if you dont get 2h from vault

fast mural
#

honestly your gonna replace everything anyway once m+ opens

lilac temple
#

No craft weapon this season?

fast mural
#

and i dont think we getting a full spark immediatly ?

#

so your gonna be on 0 embelishments until you get 2 sparks for weapon

#

*for fury

inland flame
fast mural
#

system only sucks if you dont have people in your guild who have maxed everything and doing it for free

inland flame
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Man sparks at the beginning of the season suck too, agh.

fast mural
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i was running on 1 embelishment for a while cause i got bigger upgrades from upgrading myth track gear rather than crafting one

inland flame
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Well the fact that almost everyone uses like 3 boring ones and the rest are trash and how much of a headache it can be to maximize early on depending on drops kinda a headache. The fact they don't ilvl scale in TWW is a thing too.

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Idk I'm just a grumpy old man atp.

fast mural
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i just hate that it competes with crests

inland flame
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I actually have all the professions set up for crafting just for myself on alts so that's not a thing I have to deal with thank god.

fast mural
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if you get myth gear early it becomes realy annoying

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i know they have to cause otherwise everyone would run around with max crafted gear week 1 but it still sucks

inland flame
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Yeah it's also not the end of the world but the more unique gear we have to wear the more awkward it can become to just craft where you want.

fast mural
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remember when loot dropped and it was just maxed and BiS sadge

inland flame
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I like the ilvl upgrade system but it has flaws for sure.

fast mural
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yeah and this way they can give us a turboboost

inland flame
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Like freaking valorstones.

fast mural
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havnt had an issue with valorstone this season
but i had like 3k saved up in event boxes

inland flame
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Mostly just been on fresh alts. Them being transferrable helped but having to lose some sucks.

fast mural
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valorstones are probably the most pointless currency they ever created

plush zephyr
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I mean, it makes you go do stuff

fast mural
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especially since they buffed the amount you get from everything

plush zephyr
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Which is the whole point of mmos/wow.

inland flame
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It's just a way to make geared toons do chores like world events past when they need those crests.

plush zephyr
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Crazy we can’t just play in end game and not have to do any small stuff to get there

fast mural
plush zephyr
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Worky worky bullshit is wow

fast mural
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if you get more valorstones than you can use for upgrading whats the point ?

plush zephyr
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Not talking shit it just is what it is

plush zephyr
fast mural
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but you still need to do raid /m+ for crests anyway

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so you wont need to do other stuff

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this is only a thing for casuals who dont do m+

vale gale
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is there any reason to not macro avatar to recklessness or can I just do that?

fast mural
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AM is the reason

olive wraith
charred estuary
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I have one for reck and rav and one for reck and avatar

olive wraith
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The opener uses rek before charge then you press avatar before your first gcd

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Small optimization but honestly you low key probably wouldn’t lose that much

vale gale
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Ahh I see, ty ty

olive wraith
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But also what ravon said. You’ll get rek back much faster

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And you don’t wanna be sitting on that for 45-60 seconds

inland flame
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Idk if this is perfectly optimal but I have ReckRav macro so I wait for combat, drop Rav (+Reck), Charge and Avatar together, and then Ramp as soon as I get to the target.

storm birch
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You saying you drop ravager outside of the pack?

fast mural
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what do you do if you play slayer ?

inland flame
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No I use a @cursor macro

storm birch
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So if it’s an aoe pack your first rampage won’t be cleaved then?

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Or are you talking ST

inland flame
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Yea I mostly M+ so I had like a dungo boss in mind ig

storm birch
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Ah ok.

inland flame
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I wouldn't be surprised if there's a better method idk I don't pretend to be a Slayer god like I said I mostly M+. Can't convince myself to myth raid rn so kinda vibes there.

fading sky
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Seems perf, then after storm u rb as much as u can until enrage drops then ramp

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Or u hit 5 stacks.. havent tried hittin 5 yet

vocal fog
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Guys r we back?

barren stone
olive wraith
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Yes

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We are back

fading sky
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We are alive

inland flame
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Ya Fury looks p good don't let the boomers get to you

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Meant to say doomers but I'll stand by original statement too

warm silo
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idk what is going on with all of the people. saying furor is getting a 5% buff. a nerf from 8% to 3% is not a buff. its still a nerf of 3%.

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idk what the devs are thinking, the fury sucking ass in m+ ranked D, still getting a god damn 3% nerf overall is literal shit

quiet breach
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which of the first 4 bosses in the new raid (mythic) drop a 2h with strength on it?

lilac temple
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What's this 3% nerf I keep seeing?

quiet breach
inland flame
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Yes and 3

warm silo
inland flame
warm silo
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fury got a 8% nerf and now they tuned it to 3% dmg nerf, and they sell it as a " buff" . its still a total nerf of 3% in Objective Sight of today.

quiet breach
sullen dove
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that’s just where the aura placement is? Who cares if it still says -3%

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u know like literally all of our abilities probably have 50% buff slapped on them by now

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whether they reduce that and fix our overall aura buff to 0 literally doesn’t matter

inland flame
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Yeah only other is an agi polearm off first boss

lilac temple
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Thought we got a 5% buff. Why are people saying 3% nerf?

sullen dove
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it’s just been at -8 since they crippled fury in s1 I assume but have since targeted many actual abilities getting buffed instead of reverting some of the aura buff

quiet breach
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is there any heroic 2handers from all 8 bosses that will perform similarly to a crafted 2h? like how heroic BiS was close to crafted 2h this season? @inland flame

sullen dove
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cuz it’s going from -8% dmg done to -3% dmg done

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but even still that means nothing

quiet breach
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or ig that question applies to dungeons too

dense elbow
inland flame