In every sense
#fury
restive peak
warm crag
this is a mage buff
south kayak
this is a mage buff
FUCK
bitter palm
everything is a mage buff
orchid dagger
^
orchid dagger
Big Mage is at it again
bitter palm
cooked
south kayak
wizard world
It’s a big wizard world and you ain’t in it
What does blizzard rhyme with
bitter palm
funnel arms
bitter palm
What does blizzard rhyme with
guillotine
sly crane
king gizzard and the lizzard wizzard
summer quail
if you wanna be technical it is less than 5% damage increase. coz autos aren't affected by aura buffs
limber oar
summer quail
🤓
orchid dagger
if you wanna be technical it is less than 5% damage increase. coz autos aren't a...
Unless you are Paladin, because talent
summer quail
correct, but then you have to be a stinky paladin and there's only 2 worse choices you can make
winter shoal
mage and aug?
south kayak
if you wanna be technical it is less than 5% damage increase. coz autos aren't a...
Auto attacks barely do anything
This isn’t bfa
summer quail
mage and aug?
oh i didn't think of mage. 3 worse choices*
was thinking boomie and aug
south kayak
Based
narrow fossil
Which trinket is pace angle?
summer quail
Auto attacks barely do anything
they do like 3% of your st on live. it's not ALOT but not nothing
narrow fossil
Why feral got 8% buff adn we only 5%?
summer quail
coz feral worse st
low vector
but not for us?
summer quail
and much better aoe
this patch was for raid. you can see that by how they buffed/nerfed stuff
south kayak
Surely more arms buffs in later updates
narrow fossil
this patch was for raid. you can see that by how they buffed/nerfed stuff
Idk devastation evoker performed good in raid and also got buffed
storm birch
Surely more arms buffs in later updates
Maybe arms will get the fury treatment this patch 
south kayak
Pyre and Firestorm both buffed by 20%, that’s m+
narrow fossil
Also Sp got aoe buffed
low vector
servers are up
summer quail
Pyre and Firestorm both buffed by 20%, that’s m+
ahh just read the 3% aura buff on them. skimming some class notes
south kayak
Deva needs some help in m+ tbh
summer quail
i'll take anything that makes people play it over aug
even if it is as strong as it was in undermine. crazy strong current tier
south kayak
Yeah, in raid true
south kayak
I always had problems with m as deva
Because your damage just drops down after burst
south kayak
we would be A tier for m+
More like S tier
narrow fossil
nah
south kayak
S+ even
narrow fossil
Frost, mages,
south kayak
Believe me, if they uncapped our aoe to 8 without changing anything
narrow fossil
Dk frost*
south kayak
We’ll be meta lol
south kayak
Damage is king
Look at survival in s3 SL
All they did was damage
And they were meta
narrow fossil
I have to do the maths but i dont think if we hit 8 targets we would be best class in dmg
south kayak
That depends on tuning and as it stands right now, them making it 8 will make us meta because we’re already pretty strong on ptr in m+
hoary vortex
How’s the 5% buff? We back yet?
oak garden
ah i love it, the Balance druid discord is crying about how dogshit Boomie is. XD
rain sigil
they arent moving off of 5 this expansion, and probably not next
oak garden
because they dont have the busted tierset anymore
south kayak
they arent moving off of 5 this expansion, and probably not next
Next can be likely
olive wraith
How’s the 5% buff? We back yet?
We been back
south kayak
because they dont have the busted tierset anymore
Busted is an understatement of the century
CENTURY
oak garden
i played some ptr keys
narrow fossil
they arent moving off of 5 this expansion, and probably not next
Warr is one of the classes that most need a rework
oak garden
i know how stupid it was
rain sigil
they just busted down unholy to be semi capped, they're moving more in tht direction, not less
oak garden
funnel boss down in a couple of seconds after a big pull
south kayak
Yeah but that’s because unholy had insane uncapped aoe scaling
and that was eventually going to be need to be cut down
They’re gonna be fine
They have plenty of uncapped aoe
rain sigil
of course, but they just haven't shown any appetite to scale back any target cap recently
south kayak
When it comes to fury and the complaints about it’s 5 target cap, I can see it happening
It’s been getting worse in the recent years
narrow fossil
of course, but they just haven't shown any appetite to scale back any target cap...
Since ppl is able to take bigger pulls, target cap should be increased
olive wraith
Since ppl is able to take bigger pulls, target cap should be increased
They don’t need to increase meat cleaver to do that
rain sigil
i obviously agree, i'm just saying they appear to have a specific vision of how they want the game to be played and where they want fury to fit into that, even though it's flawed and not reflective of how people way to play and do play
the real issue is that tuning priority goes to raid performance, and we can never be too strong at 5 targets because that situation actually comes up in raid, whereas 20 targets doesn't
south kayak
Outlaw is a good example that targe tcapped doesn’t always mean bad
Especially this season
narrow fossil
There is another posibility only uncap our "special" abilities (Bladestorm, odyn's fury, thundder road & thunder clap)
south kayak
Those aren’t the issues with those spells
olive wraith
Those aren’t capped
narrow fossil
Outlaw is a good example that targe tcapped doesn’t always mean bad
Well in bfa was uncapped and was the best dps spec xD
south kayak
aside from BS, they’re under tuned
plush zephyr
What’s outlaw capped to? 8?
rain sigil
imo the best i'd hope for in a rework is them doubling down on 5 targets BUT adding a meaningful funnel effect
which would give us a real role
south kayak
Well in bfa was uncapped and was the best dps spec xD
Fury was also almost meta in bfa and it was 5 target capped lol
plush zephyr
I think Hunter is capped at 8 too.
meager gyro
Why can’t we learn to sandbag as good as boomkin community
narrow fossil
Fury was also almost meta in bfa and it was 5 target capped lol
Never been close to meta
lilac osprey
I think Hunter is capped at 8 too.
MM is other specs arent
narrow fossil
Since warr tank was meta
narrow fossil
I played fury a lot and was rly fun last tier with twilight devastation
lilac osprey
actually MM is capped at 6
narrow fossil
adn 100% crit
narrow fossil
actually MM is capped at 6
Thats better than 5
south kayak
No matter how much capped a spec is, if the tuning is high, it’s gonna be strong
slim coral
@hallow sphinx where you at
hallow sphinx
<@204367291767324672> where you at
narrow fossil
<@204367291767324672> where you at
Why do u play with spear instead of roar? More dmg?
thick fossil
Spear's crit damage mod was giving a little more payoff for Thane TBlast crits. Though that also assumes you get max value on it.
thick fossil
Roar is just easier to use though.
bitter palm
idk spear is ez as fuck
terse spear
you want to use bloodthirst at 85%crit from 100-35 percent enemy health and use it all the time at 35 or lower health on cd?
thick fossil
Spear isn't bad, but meh, not keen on how small spear circle is.
olive wraith
Thats better than 5
What’s our highest damaging ability next tier in keys? Like the breakdown
narrow fossil
What’s our highest damaging ability next tier in keys? Like the breakdown
Dint play PTR
Idk
narrow fossil
But had 3-4 secs cds and need a proc
olive wraith
But had 3-4 secs cds and need a proc
We press it a lot
edgy widget
What’s our highest damaging ability next tier in keys? Like the breakdown
Thunder Blast or Bladestorm, depending on build
edgy widget
Tb isn’t capped
its soft capped, just to be clear
slim coral
Why do u play with spear instead of roar? More dmg?
Yeah it’s like a small percentage better
olive wraith
Ye shoulda been more clear. He was talking about hard cap
junior gate
Is it trolling to play Thane in raid next tier?
junior gate
Damn. Thank you.
storm birch
Thunder Blast or Bladestorm, depending on build
Bladestorm cooks
narrow fossil
Thunder Blast or Bladestorm, depending on build
For m+ slayer can compete with thnae¿
olive wraith
Not really
storm birch
I actually really enjoy slayer even though it doesn’t do as much as thane. I enjoy how quickly you can farm bladestorm back
narrow fossil
I hate the gambling side of thane
storm birch
Especially in a lust pack
Yea I’m not the biggest fan of the rng either. Though it feels great when you do get it
Slayer feels a lot more predictable you know what you’re gonna get. And of course, spinny boi
edgy widget
For m+ slayer can compete with thnae¿
it's surprisingly close
storm birch
That’s what I’ve begun noticing. Based on how well my rng slayer kinda closing the gap
edgy widget
Thane is better, if for no other reason than it's just plain easier to bind TClap to half your keyboard and roll face, but Slayer is doing quite well after the mega Bladestorm buffs
storm birch
Those reap procs do some decent dmg too
I think that’s the quick little spin right? Reap?
edgy widget
yes
storm birch
Yea. I wish recklessness got reduced cd at the same rate as bladestorm so they’d always line up but I guess that’s where planning comes in on slayer
I’m sure it’d be busted though
edgy widget
yeah casual 20s CD Reck, what could go wrong
storm birch
Yea 
Especially in lust pack 🤣 sometimes I swear my bladestorm is up like right after my first use
I’m like oh hey bladestorm spin
Slayer feels so good on first boss of Eco dome. You basiclaly get a set of cds for each little add spawn phase. It’s really smooth
echo rapids
Slayer feels so good on first boss of Eco dome. You basiclaly get a set of cds f...
That’s where I kinda wish they had leaned in with the frost breath empower thing, even though I know it doesn’t work right now because of our CD reduction
echo rapids
It would be an interesting path to take for fury and more melee
oblique thistle
am I allowed to link a sim and ask if something is wrong with it?
There is a log review channel
oblique thistle
Oh pardon I'm literally blind and can't read
thick fossil
At least we're starting to get close. I don't think we're gonna be that great though.
oblique thistle
At least we're starting to get close. I don't think we're gonna be that great th...
I've never wanted great, I just want to feel like I'm contributing. I think we'll at least have that next season
thick fossil
I've never wanted great, I just want to feel like I'm contributing. I think we'l...
Yeah, it'll at least feel like it's not trolling.
storm birch
That’s where I kinda wish they had leaned in with the frost breath empower thing...
What frost breath empower thing? (Sorry I’m dumb)
I think the thing I’m enjoying most right now is trying to fit as much in my spear window as I can. Whether it’s a bladestorm or mad TB resets. Would just like to see either 1) spear tether 8 targets or 2) spear last 2 seconds longer.
Doesn’t need to be both. One or the other would suffice 
echo rapids
What frost breath empower thing? (Sorry I’m dumb)
Their first PTR rework of breath had three levels of empower
A short cooldown low damage, mid cooldown mid damage, and long cooldown but big damage
storm birch
I can’t really speak on if the numbers are close or if spear is pulling away. But I’d imagine with the crit modifier it’s pulling away (given the TB resets proc) if you have bad rng then idk
echo rapids
But they got rid of it
storm birch
A short cooldown low damage, mid cooldown mid damage, and long cooldown but big ...
Oh I do vaguely remember this actually.
echo rapids
I think it would be cool to be able to dial in on the fly your level of cooldowns
thick fossil
As long as the numbers are close, I will use roar
Roar is still technically better in most cases.
winter shoal
I can’t really speak on if the numbers are close or if spear is pulling away. Bu...
Since cursed stone idol got shot, the crit diff is kinda whatever. But spear and roar are so bad that you can use whatever and it doesn't really matter
winter shoal
You can high roll insanely high with spear thane though
Chain TBs during CM window HOLY
oblique thistle
I'll give spear a try to see how it feels with the blast resets but Ill probably just default to roar and chill lol
humble shadow
It's kinda crazy they haven't buffed odyns or roar yet
echo rapids
It's kinda crazy they haven't buffed odyns or roar yet
You might say roar is all bark and no bite
winter shoal
Nerf mm again man
echo rapids
Zorthas on ele!?
hushed gust
It's kinda crazy they haven't buffed odyns or roar yet
odyn's got a... 30% buff that's already live? despite me being the only one who uses it, guessing Blizzard probably thinks it's right where it needs to be... which is wrong, but hey
dense elbow
winter shoal
Zorthas on ele!?
He's just messing around testing stuff
echo rapids
It did get some thiccc buffs
olive wraith
lol
slim coral
FUry is bis confirmed
olive wraith
Seeing funky under that “only I use of” is funny
winter shoal
It did get some thiccc buffs
Yeah it was down tremendous before tho
echo rapids
Yeah it was down tremendous before tho
Oh yeah it was giga shit
winter shoal
Seeing funky under that “only I use of” is funny
Bro's just yapping to himself
echo rapids
The tier was like 1% for farseer
olive wraith
The tier was like 1% for farseer
Was it really? That’s fucked
echo rapids
0.8?
winter shoal
It was insanely ass
echo rapids
I think right now it’s gonna be another 2p+2p start to the season
Unless they nerf current set
dapper goblet
FUry is bis confirmed
@hallow sphinx shit on by lord baze
olive wraith
thick fossil
Watch it get nerfed a week after going live.
storm birch
Since cursed stone idol got shot, the crit diff is kinda whatever. But spear and...
I still think on average spear will be much more high performance than the consistency of roar. BUT I’m just spewing nonsense i don’t know the numbers
winter shoal
What do you define as much more
spare steppe
Watch it get nerfed a week after going live.
That tuning knob
median falcon
they wont keep SP good
winter shoal
Even in like df s3 when spear was the de facto build, roar was only like 1% worse in single target
median falcon
They need to fit another mage in there
thick fossil
Nah, it'll be Mage, Shadow Priest, and Warlock. lol
winter shoal
Same with tww s1 in single target iirc, was like 1.1% worse
storm birch
What do you define as much more
I don’t have a percentage for you but with the reck increase crit chance on abilities and blade storming (or TB’ing) in your spear window plus just the base damage of spear outperforms the couple of % of your dmg that roar does
thick fossil
Resto druid and VDH
thick fossil
Ele sham instead of warlock? lol
lilac temple
Did we get a new build? I don't see it anywhere.
dense elbow
The small bump we wanted 
winter shoal
We got our small bump yeah
lilac temple
Sorry I thought talent tree
winter shoal
Fdk needed to be shot harder
lilac temple
Shamans more buffs WTF
winter shoal
Sorry I thought talent tree
There'll be some minor talent changes going into next patch but nothing about talents changed with today's PTR build
echo rapids
No mention of arcane at all
summer quail
Shamans more buffs WTF
Wdym wtf, their st was trash. Decent chance they got overbuffed tho
summer quail
Yeah bondd is the ele goat
spare steppe
Fdk needed to be shot harder
I’m surprised MM wasn’t really touched
winter shoal
MM got nerfed but I'm not sure how much, seemed pretty sizeable
junior gale
Wdym wtf, their st was trash. Decent chance they got overbuffed tho
shaman friend said it was like a 23% ST buff
spare steppe
Rando on hunter discord saying it was ~1%
winter shoal
They were more than 23% behind the strong specs
junior gale
yeah they got shit on hard from earlier nerfs
winter shoal
I think spriest just takes the hunter spot now tho
blizzard devs smoking crack with those buffs
in keys I mean
spare steppe
I think spriest just takes the hunter spot now tho
Which healer would pair with spriest/vdh?
winter shoal
rdruid
spare steppe
Makes sense
summer quail
shaman friend said it was like a 23% ST buff
Yeah that is a huge buff. They prob sim a bit over 6m now
storm birch
I ran with Ele this morning for a quick pug key and he seemed decent but his dmg was so bad
I was crying
deep sapphire
Is Fury S tier yet?
summer quail
Weren't they like low 4s before
Think mid 4s but could be wrong. Either high 5s or low 6s now tho
winter shoal
Think mid 4s but could be wrong. Either high 5s or low 6s now tho
That's a good place to be I think. Seems the average is 5.5ish and outliers are 6.5+, so high 5/low 6 means unlikely to see significant nerfs
olive wraith
Fury will always be s tier to me
winter shoal
Is Fury S tier yet?
Fury is F tier (for "F"ury) sorry to tell you
deep sapphire
Fury is S tier in my heart. Especially since I get to use my thunder thighs in keys to clap clap clap the enemies.
deep sapphire
So pumped for that, it’s nice that BT is spammed again.
deep sapphire
It’s time to Tonya Harding DKs.
hallow sphinx
<@204367291767324672> shit on by lord baze
sometimes you just gotta let the kids
I'm a good guy like that
frank dawn
If anyone has a good bearing on it what would you say the difference is between thane/slayer in keys right now on ptr
Like is it 5% diff, 10%, etc
drowsy heron
what do the sims look like with the new buffs for Fury?
lilac temple
So pumped for that, it’s nice that BT is spammed again.
How we spam BT now?
winter shoal
How we spam BT now?
in aoe you spam BT (even over rampage) as long as you aren't at 2xTB, assuming you won't drop enrage
frank dawn
Thunderblast very stronk with tier, BT procs it
winter shoal
aoe is all about TB
sinful spoke
junior gale
Think mid 4s but could be wrong. Either high 5s or low 6s now tho
over 6 million
pulsar quest
Lmfao
summer quail
over 6 million
BIG
olive wraith
Wonder if we will see one more small adjustment
junior gale
who knows
junior gale
now that were this close to see the aura buffs im accepting that this is it
but if we get anything else thats ok too
olive wraith
Ye wasn’t expecting aura 2 weeks out
junior gale
it will start happening as we get closer to launch which is around now
doesnt mean this will be the last
but there is always the possibility it is
winter shoal
Wonder if we will see one more small adjustment
More than one yes
orchid dagger
No, but it signals that we are where Blizz wants us
winter shoal
Probably at least one more before patch launch, another after week 1, another after race
Maybe more on top of those
olive wraith
More than one yes
For fury I mean
winter shoal
Yeah
orchid dagger
Aura tweaks are their way of signaling "this class works the way we want it to plus/minus damage"
olive wraith
You are very hopeful lol
winter shoal
I mean we're not rogue or havoc
orchid dagger
"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."
winter shoal
We've had notes in almost every PTR build
orchid dagger
Is Havoc dooming?
olive wraith
Oh ya I’m glad they gave us help like every week
orchid dagger
Yeah, isn't Sub the only one worth a shit atm?
junior gale
why would havoc doom that spec owns
winter shoal
why would havoc doom that spec owns
no changes and there's some wacky shit where you don't press blade dance
olive wraith
That tb reset was the best thing so far
orchid dagger
no changes and there's some wacky shit where you don't press blade dance
Yeah Havoc should be dooming
That sounds fucked
junior gale
no changes and there's some wacky shit where you don't press blade dance
Not like they really really needed it after 11.1 but no blade dance is an F that needs a fix
olive wraith
I’m really hoping the tb reset isn’t considered a bug
orchid dagger
I mean its edgy SMF it can't be that hard
orchid dagger
I’m really hoping the tb reset isn’t considered a bug
As long as Blizz doesn't shit on it regardless of bug is the important factor
They have rolled bugs into features before
summer quail
no changes and there's some wacky shit where you don't press blade dance
Eh that build is barely ahead on pure st. Most people will just play the other build on all fights
sullen dove
undone flower
2k dps, that’s a deserved 5% aura buff
undone flower
Maybe they need something else still
opal monolith
We are so back
sullen dove
most normal pagle player
still waiting... 
lock lvl 89 need friends
or is wonka guild funny exclusive boys club
real if so
dapper goblet
sullen dove
me when i play wow
hallow sphinx
me when i play wow
new guild check
sullen dove
mayb when it dies
undone flower
balls check
lapis shadow
slim coral
<@204367291767324672> i started learning frosdt
frost ez
slim coral
dense fulcrum
ye sometime u afk
dense fulcrum
it happens to me too
junior gale
yee normal for cursed live Fdk
dense sedge
Yeah 5% of dog shit is still dog shit
dense sedge
Potentially my usual group of friends wanting to go physical so I could still play warrior but we also need a lust. Hehe
I quite like de frost dk
Thematically
orchid dagger
Potentially my usual group of friends wanting to go physical so I could still pl...
FDK is still physical
Obliterate is the big boy button after all
dense sedge
Aye but isn’t mainly magic sorry if I’m wrong
orchid dagger
It's both
orchid dagger
Unless they've changed it over the years it should still be phys
dense sedge
Oh right didn’t realise
orchid dagger
I think some of the talents around Oblit are Frost damage
But the actual button itself is phys
quiet breach
are helm enchants gonna be a thing in s3?
the rune of greater void ritual and stuff
orchid dagger
No
turbid bay
Yep
orchid dagger
on the patch will it disable helm enchants from existing gear?
The tool tip on the enchants say "only work during Season 2"
quiet breach
The tool tip on the enchants say "only work during Season 2"
ok, ty
orchid dagger
Ooo is obliterate physical just assumed it was frost
So I just double checked, KM makes Oblit Frost damage while proc'd
So yeah, primarily magic lmao
orchid dagger
Ret does Holystrike damage a lot, so that might be weirdge
Yeah, because Holystrike = Holy+Phys, so will benefit from phys buffs
You just have to take that talent that makes all of the Holy stuff Holystrike for the comp
proven stream
pearl sequoia
incredible pie chart
pearl sequoia
gimli
orchid dagger
what is a good dwarf war name i can go with?
Literally any warhammer dwarf
That's what you'll be mogging as anyway
modest condor
what is a good dwarf war name i can go with?
undeadrogue
dense sedge
Drimus my first ever dwarf warrior back in Vanilla was called Vognar
Try that bro
But also Brundar is a cool name
undone flower
naming toons is the hardest part
Happyinsert class name works really fine
I allow you to name it Happywar
dense fulcrum
so back omg
quiet breach
do u guys think our current tier set is so ass we will replace it with straight up m+ gear
I mean replace this liberation of undermine set with s3 heroic track dungeon gear
dense fulcrum
idk probably?
rich flame
next season is gonna be big
dense sedge
d'ya think
dense sedge
true
wheat lantern
are we cooked for season 3 bois
junior gale
No
blissful delta
Yes
soft viper
Maybe
fading sky
Id say we cookin!
low folio
Feel like fury is pretty good after the new buffs and we were already fine before the new ones
fading sky
Feels like we are en nerf territory now
pure breach
It’s a success for now
storm birch
Go fury go!
drowsy heron
i would be okay with nerfs if they softcapped our meat cleaver AoE. tho thats technically a buff lol
fading sky
Tbh more than meatcleaver i want frenzy not to reset on target switch
inner zinc
Tbh more than meatcleaver i want frenzy not to reset on target switch
it feels so awful when you gotta reset stacks because you NEED to rampage another target. Makes the rotation feel wonky because of the ups and downs of haste
static mountain
Any1 tried fury on ptr after the buffs?
fading sky
it feels so awful when you gotta reset stacks because you NEED to rampage anothe...
Gettin taxxed for playing well is bad
inner zinc
plus a lot of classes have that kind of stacking effect without that kind of condition
inner zinc
equal opportunity hater
inner zinc
oh its annoying in M+ also
fading sky
In m+ its what ever as i just find biggest dude and ramp on him
inner zinc
sometimes the biggest dude isnt the one that has to die the fastest though
fading sky
Mouse over interupt solves ot
fading sky
sometimes the biggest dude isnt the one that has to die the fastest though
Lies
He is the guy im killing fasterz hopefully rest of grp aint
Its called keepin stacks
😅
olive wraith
How did no1 react with to Archi update
dusty flicker
Any1 tried fury on ptr after the buffs?
yeah just did it on target dummies, you can feel the difference obviously.
static mountain
hope restored then? 😄
olive wraith
We’ve been back since last week
wet wedge
New Build, New Warrior Buffs!
what is a "New Build" ?
native wadi
smoky vale
no
brittle crow
warrior is saved party
smoky vale
flat river
<@335579026259312641> is warrior saved
Yes
gleaming siren
Why do you go on your alt to type the opposite
stupid gio
Arms is saved Gio I proclaim it
flat river
Gotta keep the disguise up
flat river
@gleaming siren love u <3
gleaming siren
playable
smoky vale
on a 20
gleaming siren
just game
gleaming siren
adapt
tight roost
Ive never done +20 mechagon but i imagine it slaps
compact siren
<@167252773912444928> is warrior saved
Lazy ah buff
gleaming siren
Okay I will take it back this spec needs to get nerfed 50% so it's unplayable
right now
olive wraith
Lazy ah buff
We got the good stuff the last 2 weeks
Aura tuning isn’t bad necessarily
olive wraith
Arms needs help yes
compact siren
As slayer
olive wraith
Fury is try not to press bloodthirst challange
For raid maybe
fiery edge
still doesnt like thane 
olive wraith
Fury is in a good spot
compact siren
Oh it’s in a good spot
Don’t get me wrong
But it could be better
@clever belfry Hosen status?
fading sky
We got the good stuff the last 2 weeks
Y fury seems to be in a decebt spot
We arent gettin burst dmg
Thank you john
But still could be worse
clever belfry
<@173741974493462528> Hosen status?
0
fading sky
Arms is still significant behind fury in raid
fading sky
And got buffed same amount is kindda weird
clever belfry
<@102464908976730112> can I get a :balls: react please
bit rude innit
oblique trail
<@102464908976730112> can I get a :balls: react please
I'm nitroless so I cannot do this, I'm so sorry to disappoint
no pay to win
olive wraith
They gotta be cooking some arms buffs
compact siren
Wtf
clever belfry
time to make xan add :balls: here
olive wraith
Ain’t no way they look at arms and say ya aura is fine
compact siren
:balls: time
fading sky
All my current arms issues goed away if i dont gotta play slaya
olive wraith
Col raid might be a bit boring
No cleave gaming
A lot of your damage is just passive
olive wraith
That’s part of the fun playing Col
fading sky
Nah
olive wraith
Idk Col st sounds boring to me
olive wraith
I mean sure ads would be good. But I mean mostly st or full st fights
low folio
I miss when arms bladestorm felt lile a big aoe damage ability
fading sky
I mean it still is
But not relatively
To others
We arent allowed to have burst
Like roar. Was insane got facked
gleaming siren
Fury is try not to press bloodthirst challange
Fury is try to ignore buttons challenge
If you can press more RB Exe Ramp BS you win
Press any other button lose
low folio
Arms bladestorm for me hasn’t felt satisfying to press in a long time
gleaming siren
Unfortunately you have to
smoky vale
might be only time smf might be playable
undone flower
Like. More procs less slam
My adventure to lvl second war just by playing arms made me hate thunderclap and slam
gleaming siren
And sometimes it's the best button to press
(When you have nothing else available)
smoky vale
i wanna know how much smf sims when wearing 1hs
fading sky
Fury is try to ignore buttons challenge
Bt at 100% still i presumes
oblique thistle
They gotta be cooking some arms buffs
You're funny, best I can do is 5%
oblique thistle
Bt at 100% still i presumes
We spam BT now to fish for TB procs on thane
slim coral
And sometimes it's the best button to press
gleaming siren
Bt at 100% still i presumes
With a 20% RB buff from tier? hard doubt
fading sky
Obviously not when we bladestorm
cobalt kernel
by chance does anyone have the raid cleave talents on ptr
sudden thicket
Is it another season of AM?
mossy fox
yes
sudden thicket
eugh
ionic prairie
sup warriors
slim coral
Sup
frosty scroll
i love am, dont slander its name
restive granite
warrior is saved, they listened to us guys
restive granite
5% aura buff, what we were asking all along
fast mural
I guarantee you they are ready to nerf our aoe week 1
restive granite
no kapp on a stack brother
south kayak
I guarantee you they are ready to nerf our aoe week 1
Unless it’s an outliner like s1 raid, no
And it isn’t bursty at all
dense sedge
seriously though is this 5% noticable or are we angry still boys
jolly marten
we are gucci
south kayak
Nobody was angry before this for fury
south kayak
Arms on the other hand..
jolly marten
arms got hurt more from the stray nerfs to bleeds given on mind with prot warrior
south kayak
I don’t think so
Arms needs a lot more than 5% buff
Regardless of the colossus tier nerf
Maybe 12% ST
I don’t think aoe really needs much help
jolly marten
slayer arms do very good ST to be honest
cause if you remove the execute from arms the st falls off a lot
thick fossil
3.7 mil compared to 6mil? Hmmm, I don't think Arms ST is in a good place.
lavish pecan
seriously though is this 5% noticable or are we angry still boys
It's about 5%
thick fossil
It's better than nothing, but none of the big sticking points of the class have been touched.
south kayak
slayer arms do very good ST to be honest
No
odd cipher
3.7 mil compared to 6mil? Hmmm, I don't think Arms ST is in a good place.
arms was 5m and fury 5.5m, add 5% from today to both
south kayak
3.7 mil compared to 6mil? Hmmm, I don't think Arms ST is in a good place.
It’s not 3.7m lol
Holy misinformation Batman
thick fossil
I'm not going to route through all the vods, but I'm pretty sure 3.7 was the sim for Arms ST on the PTR recently.
south kayak
It’s not
It was like 500k behind fury pre buffs and fury was 5.5m
How can it be 3.7?
thick fossil
I guess I misheard then.
south kayak
3.7m sim is an emergency at this point
dense elbow
It’s not 3.7m lol
He is clearly looking at current gear with tier conversation sim
Was some of them around a way back
restive granite
5% might be ok for raid but for m+ youre still going to be sitting 2 hours at dornogal before an invite
languid girder
can't wait to deal more damage to 4 targets
remote bobcat
can't wait to deal more damage to 4 targets
to more than 4
languid girder
ah yes my bad, we're saved
restive granite
i dont understand the overfixation of tuning around raid. Like 99% of the playerbase stays at heroic? these 5% buffs/nerfs they love doing to warrior dont mean shit there. People engage way more with m+ on a casual level than raid and its way more impacting having to sit an hour for an invite than to "secure" a raid spot in a raiding guild.
idk just my thoughts
for like 99% of the playerbase your raiding spot equals to showing up to raid
and even on mythic CE lvl id say raid tuning only mostly matters for hall of fame guilds and above
im on a mid tier CE guild and ppl can play wathever the fuck they want honestly
cause were fighting the nerfed version of bosses
bitter palm
and even on mythic CE lvl id say raid tuning only mostly matters for hall of fam...
prolly not even hof nfl
ngl
gleaming siren
So what do you propose
bitter palm
top 50 60 and up
bitter palm
So what do you propose
m+ aura
gleaming siren
90% of specs don't get invited to M+
bitter palm
which exists already
gleaming siren
M+ aura doesn't fix that
restive granite
So what do you propose
yeah adress m+ problems first, like target cap
or you can keep it at 5 targets but make it work like arcane
with a funnel profile and the absolute best dps in the game at that targte count
gleaming siren
Target cap is a red herring
restive granite
how is it a red herring
bitter palm
90% of specs don't get invited to M+
ye but they dont get invited cause they are weak in m+ and strong in raid
thick fossil
i dont understand the overfixation of tuning around raid. Like 99% of the playe...
Whoa whoa, stop making sense. This is Blizzard were talking about, they don't do that.
thick fossil
Something something RWF money and attention grab.
bitter palm
something something classic blizzard
south kayak
Something something RWF money and attention grab.
If you wanna believe that, sure
dense elbow
i dont understand the overfixation of tuning around raid. Like 99% of the playe...
RWF is still a kinda big event for free blizz PR, and as that is the only thing with an event this early - it gets more or less all the focus.
When MDI sneaks close, m+ gets the focus.
Raid gets after the RWF attention to bring it from that level towards that of the playermass
gleaming siren
I'm really curious how you think M+ auras would 'fix' any problems
thick fossil
It's just tradition at this point.
gleaming siren
It doesn't, most specs will still not get invited
Bad RNG play Mage if you want invites
restive granite
It doesn't, most specs will still not get invited
youre being dishonest or do not engage with m+ appropriately if thats your take
theres a difference between not being deemed meta
and being deemed bad
thick fossil
They should have never nerfed drums. Than you wouldn't be pigeonholed into certain classes.
restive granite
or you play with a group maybe
gleaming siren
youre being dishonest or do not engage with m+ appropriately if thats your take
How do you think this gets fixed by an M+ aura? They try to tune around raid in your opinion and specs are still considered garbage
restive granite
How do you think this gets fixed by an M+ aura? They try to tune around raid in ...
i have never typed m+ aura
gleaming siren
Whatever you propose
restive granite
there are certain ways they can approach the spec
gleaming siren
It's always going to have the community problem
restive granite
like i said, give it the arcane treatment
dense elbow
theres a difference between not being deemed meta
While you are right about there being a difference, Potent. The reason the community perception exists like that is usually based on misleading information in the first place
restive granite
make it the absolute best dps at 5 target counts with an appealing dps profile, which funnel might be the best
restive granite
While you are right about there being a difference, Potent. The reason the commu...
Yeah perception is not always accurate but can you agree its not completely false? as it stands now ive never seen a fury warr do good in a key, they always get massively gapped and in higher keys (17+) i have not even once seen a dps warrior
dense elbow
We are close to, if not the best on 5T on the PTR, so that is that solved
Funnel isn't a Fury mechanic, same as uncapped AoE isn't
south kayak
Yeah perception is not always accurate but can you agree its not completely fals...
Huh
That’s untrue lol
You’ve not seen a warrior past 17?
restive granite
i said thats my case
ive never been on a group with a warrior
not implying its the truth for everyone
restive granite
warrior dps* been with prot
im bitching because i want to play my warrior in all content btw
i love the spec
dense elbow
You been playing phy dam and you didn't bring warrior? Fury aside, Arms is 100% worth to bring
If ya play a mage, don't expect to use a valuable dam amp spot on a warrior
restive granite
i made a mage to play m+
dense elbow
That is why then, now isn't it
Plays mage comp, complain that you don't see warriors in your keys
Come me on that is finny
restive granite
but on S1 for 2 weeks i was the number 2 dps warr in eu in m+ and i would sit for hours before an invite
s2 had phys comp at least
but hell it was bad
dense elbow
Yep, that is life for the non community meta
restive granite
then i decided to have my warr for raid and make an alt for m+
gleaming siren
Was that like week 2 or
restive granite
id say a month in
then just stopped playing it
aside of raid
or maybe week 3
dense elbow
Well, as we cleared up most of the arguments and points.
What I want a random reader to take away from this is this:
Even if it was kinda like this in S1 and S2, S3 ain't currently looking to be another of those
So just be happy
restive granite
when you say funnel cant be a fury warrior thing why is that btw?
i can imagine you get angrier at your primary target
lunar grail
XDDDDD
restive granite
imo funnel could be something they could try
dense elbow
when you say funnel cant be a fury warrior thing why is that btw?
Not that it can't, but that there are already a bunch of classes that is doing it. There is no need to have another spec trying to do their twist on the niche
restive granite
at the moment its arcane and shaman that realistically funnel right?
dense elbow
Feral, arcane, ele/enh, boomie, ass, HDH and one I have forgotten
restive granite
i dont trust the feral funnel, i play with a feral on my group and hes doing less damage than the tank on the prio target cause of bleeds uptime and wathever else hes doing
and the guy is 3800+
i dont know shit about feral, ik they get free bites but damn he has no prio target damage
dh gets good funnel too youre right
ass aswell
slim coral
Guess I’m a dk main for raid this tier
restive granite
maybe its too saturated already
slim coral
dense elbow
It kinda is
slim coral
Feral is easy
dense elbow
Guess I’m a dk main for raid this tier
Bazed 
thick fossil
Unless balance druids get big buffs I think Resto druid will have that spot
slim coral
Frost dk too broken to not play it for raid and gm requested
restive granite
what appeals the most about dk to me is deaths advance and not giving a shit about 50% of raid mechanics xd
dense elbow
If warrior gets funnel, it should be arms tho, as it got the 2t niche that keeps being moved in on by Fury (and others)
Fury can keep the high prio dam with high 5t sustained cleave (and for myself, add huge AoE burst CDs on static CD)
restive granite
S3 and 4 DF felt good as fury though
what was different? were we just stronger + leggo weap?
and odyns fury was better back then too
south kayak
Frost dk too broken to not play it for raid and gm requested
Why are you acting like tuning is done
bitter palm
Guess I’m a dk main for raid this tier
indigo arch
Surely that 5% aura buff fixes fury in m+ and magically gives us more than "invite the battleshout", right?
south kayak
Does he know
dense elbow
and odyns fury was better back then too
Better tuned and we had moments of glory, a moment where we felt like we were popping off
Atm we are just so flat DPS wise, that we got no glory feel
So we feel a lot worse than we are compared
eternal sundial
i made a char like this called magerework in DF S2
and it worked
within a month
bitter palm
i made a char like this called magerework in DF S2
12.0
12.0
incoming
arms ownage
eternal sundial
11.2 arms rework we said last expac
bitter palm
begins in 12.0
bitter palm
gleaming siren
i made a char like this called magerework in DF S2
I made a character called Fixshadow and they gave Shadow 20 +-5% Psychic Link changes
eternal sundial
crafting the flesh
gleaming siren
I miss Fleshcraft
slim coral
Why are you acting like tuning is done
Brother have you ever seen a spec reworked that wasn’t broken
Also philosophically they want people to play the spec they reworked
Who’s gonna play a spec that’s bad
slim coral
W
slim coral
Even if they do nerf frost I can just play my warrior so
bitter palm
Also, DK got no raidbuff, so they got to be a raid worth of raidbuffs tuned
rate damage profile on st
sprocket
south kayak
Who’s gonna play a spec that’s bad
The spec doesn’t have to be broken to be played, just not bad
dense elbow
Where are the old UDK profiles?
sand nacelle
any PTR testers can tell me if Slayer is within 2-3% overall of Thane on PTR? Holy shit I love slayer
undone flower
Guess I’m a dk main for raid this tier
Tank is the battle shout stick ?
compact siren
fury nerf
indigo arch
I agree nerf fury
that 5% was too far
make rallying cry 5% health also
10 entire % was oppressive
fading sky
any PTR testers can tell me if Slayer is within 2-3% overall of Thane on PTR? Ho...
Also in m+ ofc not
quasi shell
Hello question for the 4set of 11.2. Shouldnt the reap the storm proc chance be 60+% when attacking 5 adds with raging blow and 10 stacks of overpowered on every add? I think thats the chance of reap the storm for bloodthirst instead of raging blow..
fading sky
So first off
Math prob isnt 10 + 10 m8🤣
I think some1 said rb is just on main target
But even if its not its 5 hits at 10% each
quasi shell
Math prob isnt 10 + 10 m8🤣
I used the below post, not math of my own and know that bloodthirst on AoE has way more chance to proc reap the storm while on ptr it does not seem to be the same case for raging blow..
quasi shell
yeah it seems kinda pointless to buff reap the storm to 150% effectiveness if its proc comes from raging blow when the chance is only around 20% on AoE cases
fading sky
But i cant recognize those numbers from my slayer m+ runs
wheat kayak
they feel good
inland flame
Fury eatin p good right now
glad coyote
just hope all fights done align with adds spawning when our cd's come up again
gleaming siren
They do
but dw you aren't gonna do the same damage to them anyway because your CDs still suck
(They are up too often)
With new tier Bladestorm has a disgustingly low CD
last sparrow
silk wharf
I see the 5% for arms (value -5 ->0%) But doesn't the fury one say (value 0 -> -3%)?
Or am I, more than likely, misinterpreting the data I'm reading?
modest condor
fury went from -8% to -3% as far as i can see
earnest canyon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294680138042183711/1386642077970075698/o...
Where is that Capybara guy
dense elbow
Oh no... they just made us -3%, so they can hit us with that perfect streak of -3% nerfs and it doesn't look like a scuffed number
dusty flicker
fury went from -8% to -3%
earnest canyon
Oh no... they just made us -3%, so they can hit us with that perfect streak of -...
what?? I thought the 5% buff was a hoax til I saw arch post it
earnest canyon
o
spare steppe
What class has the biggest negative aura?
earnest canyon
What class has the biggest negative aura?
hunter I think
devout totem
What class has the biggest negative aura?
Ret
sly crane
What class has the biggest negative aura?
Mage
earnest canyon
Aug
plush zephyr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4tSE2w53ts
I GOTTTT RICCCE COOOKIN IN THE MICROWAVE
charred estuary
I kinda feel like thane fury is alright now damage wise
And if physical comp is popular 👀
dense sedge
What class has the biggest negative aura?
Forgive me but what is anegative aura?
olive wraith
Every class has a% damage modification people refer to as aura when Blizz tunes it up or down
dense sedge
As long as we sling a moderate sized dick
south kayak
we what
dense sedge
Sling some dick my guy
slim coral
Really wish the devs would buff the cds still
The reshi cloak is doing 6 percent in keys now with the buffs
smoky vale
god i love random item doing damage instead of bs
summer quail
I kinda feel like thane fury is alright now damage wise
Already was before the 5% buff
charred estuary
Well now even I'm convinced
dapper goblet
bitter palm
need to cowfarmers
smoky vale
xeos you excited to play enh with 5 trackers for tempest
slim coral
5 percent buff on top too
dapper goblet
xeos you excited to play enh with 5 trackers for tempest
if you track stuff you are a noobert
warm crag
high echo
How 'bout in raid? 
drowsy heron
did a PTR dungeon earlier and things dont feel too bad anymore
thick fossil
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Jesus, which class is that?
radiant plank
looks like demo
thick fossil
I GOTTTT RICCCE COOOKIN IN THE MICROWAVE
Just get a rice cooker, save yourself the pain of eating microwave rice.
thick fossil
looks like demo
Yuck, looks boring AF.
earnest canyon
Just get a rice cooker, save yourself the pain of eating microwave rice.
I cook mine in a sauce pan
sturdy trench
I be wangin it
smoky vale
Yuck, looks boring AF.
nah playing demo is fun af
sour cloak
chat is fury back on the menu
gleaming siren
Jesus, which class is that?
10.1 Demo
fast mural
yes but we are dooming so blizz wont nerf
gleaming siren
nah playing demo is fun af
That iteration of Demo was terrible
for all its flaws that spec is so much better now
fast mural
are we still just sending execute when it proccs ?
sour cloak
yes but we are dooming so blizz wont nerf
fast mural
appearently it wasnt clear and i wasnt paying attention after that update
sour cloak
is execute still a thing
covert coyote
i want so badly for it to be worth sending execute on a SD proc
sour cloak
i actually hate the execute animation now\
radiant plank
are we still just sending execute when it proccs ?
sour cloak
give me back old animation
toxic jewel
god i love random item doing damage instead of bs
i love borrowed power
fast mural
so fury gameplay just gonna be the same the entire expac
thanks for making me an arms main once more
radiant plank
idk if arms is any better
Arms is still playing the fun minigame of jugg up sd 2 mfe3
fast mural
and that is more fun than spamming RB
thick fossil
Yeah, not looking to another season of RB spam and Sudden Death Weakaura.
bitter palm
and that is more fun than spamming RB
olive wraith
Someone mentioned you wait for 2mfe stacks to push sd
I’ll just wait until Archi updates the prio
summer quail
and that is more fun than spamming RB
no shot it is. losing 15 stacks of jugg at 35.5% is the worst feeling ingame
fast mural
i was playing fury on sprocket prog and it was the most boring thing i did this tier
sure losing jugg sucks but just hitting RB 200 times is worse imo
honestly pressing slam for OP procs feels less bad
summer quail
highly disagree. i think waiting around on your sudden death procs to game a maintenance buff is the worst
sudden death should feel good. "ah better hold your proc til juggernaut is about to expire" xD
fast mural
thats the same with fury holding SD procs tho
summer quail
next patch it isn't. fury just sends
summer quail
hmh has something changed? i missed that part of the conversation
fast mural
if fury just sends it would feel better for sure
i asked cause the last update i saw was that it was uncertain
¯_(ツ)_/¯
summer quail
if something has changed i wonder how much dps loss it is to just send. probably an extremely tiny amount
viscid mauve
I mean these bullets just make it looks so clunky and looking at critcake streams I am wondering how effective they really are
fast mural
this is current tier now ?
viscid mauve
when you wait for 3 stacks of mfe (#5) there are moments you risk wasting sudden death proc all together and I am kind of surprised that Ashen juggernaut stacks are not mentioned
fast mural
you still SD before it runs out so you dont waste it
there is a WA that tells you when this happens
mentioned in the bottom
modest condor
aj and sd falling off are considered in the sudden death weakaura at least
viscid mauve
So, does that mean, even with multiple ashen juggernaut stacks if marked for execution is not 3, somehow both raging blow AND bloodthirst take prio over sudden death proc? that just sounds so far fetched
fast mural
WA makes you not think about it and you just press it when it makes a sound
SD is higher prio when 3 stacks of mfe , SD is about to run out or if jugg is about to run out
viscid mauve
for #8, this means you are always over capping you rage by a significant margin (40+) to amp up your next rampage after bladestorm. is this really a gain?
modest condor
yes
between brutal finish, slaughering strikes and tierset you're getting a MASSIVE rampage out of that
limber oar
for #8, this means you are always over capping you rage by a significant margin ...
yes
viscid mauve
I mean, Ill trust archimidos as I am sure he has ran the calculations
slim coral
for #8, this means you are always over capping you rage by a significant margin ...
it's so small you literally do not have to do this because if you do it incorrectly you actually lose dps
viscid mauve
but execution of the rotation wise, it is very braindead in certain moments (not an insult to him but the class design) and feels awful
modest condor
assuming you get 4 stacks of ss and 5 stacks of tierset that's 1.5*1.8*1.1=~3x damage, as opposed to just sending rampage which would be only 1.5-1.6x damage
viscid mauve
it's so small you literally do not have to do this because if you do it incorrec...
possible, as you need two gcds for RB and enrage long enough left to wait for that next rampage
I have not seen critcake follow the logic of #5 or #8 and so it got me even more questioning of those
modest condor
it's so small you literally do not have to do this because if you do it incorrec...
i disagree with this, the only way you can do it incorrectly is if you keep spamming rb when you're already at 5 stacks which is practically never gonna happen
fast mural
I have not seen critcake follow the logic of #5 or #8 and so it got me even more...
watch his sprocket video he explains it
modest condor
there is no reason to not make use of it on st
summer quail
but execution of the rotation wise, it is very braindead in certain moments (not...
Simple rotation feels good
viscid mauve
watch his sprocket video he explains it
link? he has too many live streams but not that many direct educational video uploads on youtube
slim coral
i disagree with this, the only way you can do it incorrectly is if you keep spam...
I think someone newer to the spec is at risk of not understanding certain conditions and are at an increased risk of messing it up esp if they let their enrage fall off
limber oar
modest condor
dropping enrage to get more ss stacks is still a dps gain afaik
just not as big of a gain as rampaging when it happens
viscid mauve
I think someone newer to the spec is at risk of not understanding certain condit...
there is more to it, again, sometimes you risk dropping enrage if you tried to plug in 2 RBs before a rampage after bladestorm
viscid mauve
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgg-DPXZnOo
cheers
limber oar
there is more to it, again, sometimes you risk dropping enrage if you tried to p...
what.
slim coral
dropping enrage to get more ss stacks is still a dps gain afaik
if that is true that is new to me, last I heard which was months ago someone said it could be a loss, I don't remember exactly who said it but I know it was a yellow name or possibly archi
fast mural
there is more to it, again, sometimes you risk dropping enrage if you tried to p...
but the ramp is gonna hit with the enraged buff even if it dropped for the RBs
limber oar
Ya i mean youre just wrong Tulkas idk what else to say
viscid mauve
sometimes your bladestorm bloodthirst hits do not prolong your enrage long enough that you can get 2 RBs and a rampage after bladestorm
fast mural
why do you need to be enraged for the rampage ?
viscid mauve
Ya i mean youre just wrong Tulkas idk what else to say
I do not know how I am wrong on lived experience? THis literally happened multiple times.