fury

[tepid cedar]

lol

[edgy widget]

The main benefit of Deft Experience is just ensuring that Enrage never falls during Bladestorm, whenever you use it; without it, you pretty much need to Rampage directly into Bladestorm

and Powerful vs Frenzied is a largely unimportant choice; only time I've ever really cared about it is when trying to eke out every last bit of CDR for cooldown alignment on a fight like Rik Reverb

[viscid mauve]

so should we feel free to choose either depending on what we are comfortable with playing (and ensuring enrage uptime)?

[edgy widget]

one gives more haste and the other makes enrage longer, so you'll maintain enrage uptime no matter what

[vital granite]

Archi, does anyone do sims in terms of bis trinket combinations prior to patch release for warriors?

I know rogues do this for all their specs

[hidden stone]

Hola! Which embellishments for 11.2 Fury and Arms? 🙂

[edgy widget]

sure, but stuff changes so regularly it's pointless to publish such results

Blizz literally changed trinkets yesterday and is likely to change more before launch as well

[vernal laurel]

Is the Halls trinket well balanced now, or did they nuke it?

[edgy widget]

na it's dead

[echo rapids]

Is the 10% movement speed from Frenzied Enrage just a flat stack? how does it intereact with any speed you have on gear

[hushed gust]

So... all PTR, the only changes we have to fury itself is a 10% additive to Improve Whirlwind. how the fuck?

[winter shoal]

I mean this is just objectively false, also that 10% imp we buff is like 15-20% aoe buff overall

[hushed gust]

i mean- outside of tiersets, what have they done that matters in a dungeon? pretty sure we're currently not looking at using slayer in dungeons, so BS and whirlwind buffs don't really do much there.

[vernal laurel]

We have not gotten actual class changes though right?

Just tuning

(Not counting tier set)

[winter shoal]

For dps specs not really? Other than the demolish change IIRC

[vernal laurel]

yeah, sadge

[winter shoal]

You can't say "outside of tiersets" when that's what like the entirety of our gameplay and numerical tuning revolves around

[vernal laurel]

Was expecting some actual adressing of our issues with Fury going into the PTR cycle

[winter shoal]

That's like saying outside of the fact that I shit my pants, I'm pretty hygenic

[vernal laurel]

Compared to other specs that have actually gotten reworks/major/minor class changes, we have not gotten anything except tuning

[hushed gust]

i hold those asside, because that's not a real long-term solution. we're going to lose that next season.

[vernal laurel]

And no, the Tier set is not here to stay, its a band-aid to a problem, not something that will actually fix our concerns

[restive peak]

And so will every other spec that gains the same % of damage from their sets

Also it's very clear slayer is designed to be the raid spec, and thane is designed to be the sustained AOE spec

[winter shoal]

You guys are wilding today man I can't

[modest condor]

"outside of making us 25% stronger in aoe compared to s2, what have they done to make us stronger in aoe?"

[restive peak]

Seriously lmao

The takes man

[winter shoal]

But silm the TIER SETS

Also the fact that BS has been buffed what like 60% cumulatively since early s1

Reap massively buffed as well

[vernal laurel]

Yeah, we have gotten pretty good tuning, but no actual class changes to adress core design flaws

and the slayer 4-piece is still kinda wack

[winter shoal]

Talent changes facilitated by tuning to abilities changing relative opportunity costs

Like none of this exists in a vacuum

[restive peak]

Yeah it's pretty rare anyone gets real class design changes on a seasonal patch, usually 1-2 at most do

[modest condor]

ok but the 2piece isnt, would you rather they nerf the 2pc and add that to the 4pc instead? you cant just look at a single part of the tierset when the whole thing is what matters

[restive peak]

If you're expecting the spec to be completely reworked, you're waiting for an expansion start because fury flows and works very well for its job

[vernal laurel]

I have not said anything else about the slayer set? I just said that the 4-piece is wack

Cause it is

[vernal laurel]

Well no, just want them to adress design flaws. That can be done outside the scope of a rework

Or at least communicate their intentions better

[restive peak]

What design flaws

That's a strawman

[hushed gust]

Not looking for a complete rework, just expected more for dungeons, when that 25% you claim is presented as a difference between 55% and 65% on one talent.

[restive peak]

Fury at its core works and flows EXTREMELY well and feeds into itself perfectly

Our buffs this PTR cycle have made us an upper tier spec

[vernal laurel]

There is a lot of things but the ones most concerning to me,

• Single target linked to our AOE through meat cleaver, this is flawed as it hinders our Raid and M+ tuning possibilities.
• A lot the class/spec tree is useless and not at all fun to work with.
• Utility in M+, currently not very desired outside of a raid buff.

Such things I would like them to take a closer look at. Its not unreasonable for them to do so during a ptr cycle

[restive peak]

So for the latter two, every class has the same issues, going back to 30 points was a mistake; the illusion of choice that is useless and pointless. Utility is a buzzword, utility has never been the reason we were or weren't brought, you will always bring the top 3 damage dealers

[dense elbow]

I will dabble, give it a fair spin. But I personally prefer the bladestorm gameplay more.

And yeah, played it early season 1, got bored, and didnt touch it again for a while.

[restive peak]

On the 1st 1, we've all been on blizz for a long time about it; they don't agree, and so it's not likely to change outside of a full rework, it's what Blizz has decided is the specs identity

And it has benefits as much as drawbacks

[olive wraith]

I’m wondering if slayer might be ahead with the ww and bs buffs before new tier

[restive peak]

Absolutely not, thane giga fucks slayer in M+

Oh before new tier

Sorry, yeah probably

[dense elbow]

Nothing matter before after you get tier either way

so meh?

[restive peak]

But let's be real, pre-tier is irrelevant

[olive wraith]

Ye fair. I was gonna try it before new tier

[vernal laurel]

I feel like I have a lot more choice playing for example Rogue, Mage or shaman. Utility is still a big part of why you bring a class (Baring it doing 20-30% more dmg than all other specs)

[dense elbow]

Do it, there is 0 reason not to

[restive peak]

I'll prob go back and forth during the eyes bleeding early keys

[olive wraith]

Plus lower keys so better burst might be overall good

[vernal laurel]

I would hope for them to reconsider, or at least communicate about it

[restive peak]

You bring 1 to 2 specific utilities (brez/lust) otherwise, noone cares. And you don't actually have more choices on those specs, every single class/spec discord is literally the same complaints about the talent trees etc

There are probably a few that are a bit better, but there are also some that are worse

[vernal laurel]

As a shaman I can choose to bring curse cleanse, hex, different totems or CC setups for example. There is choice

[restive peak]

I maintain to this day going away from the small talent trees was stupid for a multitude of reasons

But that chose is 99% irrelevant for every bit of highend content

[olive wraith]

Meat cleaver is our aoe identity and I think it’s good. Unfortunate that we struggle at higher target counts but that’s a tuning thing

[restive peak]

For example, poison cleanse is nice for ara kara, but I promise you if resto is behind rdruid/dpriest, and ele/enh can't compete on damage, every group including the bleeding edge will drop it in 2 seconds and never even think about it

[vernal laurel]

Our resto shaman has been changing in and out of talents a lot depending on the dungeon. They absolutely impact our content. We are currently pushing +19s, so not the highest form of content

[restive peak]

It can have a place depending on your comp, but it doesn't form the meta

Just like us having some additional utility will not change our spot in the meta

Our damage will

[summer quail]

Ah yes. Lincc talks about damage and then you mention healer xD

[vernal laurel]

Of course, but it would be nice to have a place outside of a raid buff. Bringing Rallying cry up to +20% extra hp in 5-man content for example is a no brainer.

[restive peak]

And for the record, when we're strong/close to the others, our damage profile is EXTREMELY valuable for high keys and raid content

[vernal laurel]

It would be the same argument if my buddy was enhance

he just happens to be resto in our comp

[restive peak]

The entire issue in these comes from the idea that somehow your preferred spec (or anyones, this isn't warrior specific) should be #1 and have everything because you want it

But EVERY spec feels that way

[vernal laurel]

Yes, if we actually did the best 5-target cleave in the game

[restive peak]

We do on PTR

We lose on big pulls and make it up on the small pulls

Hence why we're ending almost equal on overall to the outliers

[covert blaze]

buff OF

[dense elbow]

buff OF

[restive peak]

And if your enhance buddy does 10% less dmg than the top 3, noone gives a fuck about his utility

And if he did 10% more damage and didn't have the utility, you'd bring the enh

[vernal laurel]

Frost, MM and other specs does way more damage on 5-targets the ptr (Yes they are overtuned, but you said that we do more dmg than them on 5-target currently)

[restive peak]

They do not actually

Go watch Crits most recent +17

Too many people are discussing things based on videos from before the most recent tuning

Before recent tuning = literally irrelevant, like actually 110% irrelevant because the past means fuck all

[vital granite]

It would also depends who he's playing with on ptr, haven't watched the video, but if you're comparing a 50th percentile mm hunter with a 95th percentile fury, it will scew the picture. However i don't think anyone can really complain about fury if it went live in current state

at least not numbers-wise

[vernal laurel]

I have watched that video, fury is obviously better than it was before, but as far as I can see he is not doing much more (over even more in general) dmg than the other classes on any 5-target pull?

[woven valley]

I mean limiting our dps to 5 targets is the issue imo cause we aren’t even the best at 5 target damage and haven’t been

[vital granite]

if we can do equal or almsot equal overall damage to the best specs, while being omega capped, we are more valuable, since most of our target is prio damage

[olive wraith]

We are less capped next season

If only we had funnel though

[vernal laurel]

Btw give us lust, because as you say its very valuable

[vernal laurel]

Prayge give us more ST damage depending on how many targets we Thunder Blast (And just let our ST be good in raid)

[dense elbow]

If you want funnel damage profile, why not go one of the many funnel damage specs tho?

[olive wraith]

Nah the meat cleaver idea is bis I think

[vernal laurel]

FURY GAMEPLAY LOOP TOO FUN

[vernal laurel]

What is the Meat cleaver idea? Like it is right now?

[olive wraith]

I just think prio gets undervalued since funnel exists

[dense elbow]

That would be a mistake from those who do

Prio dam is great value - and most funnel requires setup, that does complicate gameplay in how it must be minmaxed. Prio dam is just there. Simple and functional

[woven valley]

I mean yeah our gameplay is fine, our damage profile hasn’t been for a while. How to fix that is a pain point for the community

[earnest canyon]

I can complain

[quiet breach]

what are funnel specs besides arcane mage

[olive wraith]

Each target hit with meat cleaver gives % damage to primary target

[dense elbow]

Ass, Feral, DH

[vernal laurel]

I approve of this idea

[olive wraith]

Enh has I think

[dense elbow]

ones I remember from the top of my head

Ele shaman, ofc, lightning rod

Quite a few, so if you want to try that gameplay out - you got tons of options

(guess boomie counts as funnel as well, if their tierset didnt get 100% shot)

[vernal laurel]

Yeah for sure, I just want Fury warrior to have the same benefit, seeing as it would make us more attractive (And it would be fun to actually do good prio)

[vernal laurel]

Bear tech is wack tech

[dense elbow]

We do good prio tho, we just dont beat a funnel spec at it during their setup

What we do tho - is just stable solid dam

[vital granite]

Fury always does good prio damage

[vernal laurel]

It should be better seeing as we are capped to 5

[olive wraith]

Not exactly

[restive peak]

We do amazing prio, and this is what always frustrates me so much; you don’t enjoy warrior dude, you like the class idea of warrior but you don’t enjoy the playstyle so you want the playstyle changed to what you enjoy so you can say you still play warrior

I and many others would be pissed if they gutted our overall design identity

[dense elbow]

I enjoy warrior I just want my AoE CD burst to be burstier

[restive peak]

I want OF and Ons fixed, I’d like to press more than RB, but I don’t want lightning rod or ignite or UH DK DND

[dense elbow]

is that too much to ask?

[vital granite]

Better than what? It's already really good

[restive peak]

I don’t want meat cleaver removed, just go play the specs that are designed the way you would prefer to play the game

[summer quail]

Agreed for fury and prot. Very well designed specs overall

[vernal laurel]

I love the core gameplay loop of fury, but me wanting us to do better damage to certain targets does not mean that I want to change that

[restive peak]

This game went through a phase where everything played almost identical and it was dogshit

[dense elbow]

If you want AoE softcap 5t dam, that is spamable - there is a spec that does that btw

[restive peak]

You’re quite literally asking to change the core gameplay loop

[dense elbow]

Its called Ret

[vital granite]

All i want for warrior is 2 new capstones and redesign of OF and onslaught

[vernal laurel]

Would us doing more damage to a single target based on how many meat cleaver targets we hit change our core gameplay loop?

[olive wraith]

TR and spear need some love

[olive wraith]

No

[restive peak]

The gameplay loop of fury is meat cleaver as our AOE activator and a very similar, fast paced spec that plays almost identically regardless

We do a SHIT TON of damage to prio targets

[vital granite]

spear just needs a cdr capstone instead of the increased damage and fury gen, roar needs god

[vernal laurel]

Exactly. I just want meat cleaver to buff our single target.

[restive peak]

I don’t think people understand how ridiculous the ST retain that we get from swapping to AOE is compared to others

[dense elbow]

(as long you dont compare and decide the term "shit ton" based on our prio dam vs others funnel burst)

[restive peak]

Other classes lose far far far more going to AOE

[vital granite]

we retain like 85% st or so

[restive peak]

Meat cleaver is an AOE activation tool, it would be stupid if it impacted ST

[vital granite]

without doing the math

[restive peak]

Far more than 85

[hardy shuttle]

Its like 95

[restive peak]

We do not lose 15% of our damage going to AOE

[vital granite]

how much damage is ww now compared to rb?

[restive peak]

Our choice of more prio or more AOE SHOULD be OF and ONS

[vernal laurel]

I am talking about pure funnel. If we drag mobs onto a boss, it would be good if our meat cleaver could give us a benefit

[restive peak]

But blizz fucked those up, I agree those need to be fixed, but that hasn’t been your suggestion

[olive wraith]

I don’t want another cdr ability. I just want something that is more impactful

[restive peak]

It does give us a benefit

We get to cleave our insanely high ST during AOE spec with 1 GCD every 5

[hardy shuttle]

Higher chance for reap procs is sort of like funnel, higher chance of thunderblast procs. There is a small prior gain to dragging in mobs

[woven valley]

Insanely high? That’s the overstatement of the century

But yeah the core fury gameplay is fine

[vernal laurel]

I would not call it insanely high

[olive wraith]

For m+ it’s quite high

[vital granite]

our st is insanely good in m+

[restive peak]

Our ST in AOE spec losing 5ish % compared to others 20+ is an insanely high metric

[vernal laurel]

Sure, but we dont really do 8 mill single target

in m+

That is insanely high

[vital granite]

no one does 8m st

[restive peak]

And what pesky just said is correct, they did work to add a funnel aspect without removing our core identity

[olive wraith]

Who gets close to that

[restive peak]

Not a single class does 8mil lol what

[woven valley]

I mean yes but when those specs lose that 20 and still do more damage than us it just goes to
Show how poor the current situation is

[vernal laurel]

FDK currently, just look at vods or play ptr

[restive peak]

If we did 8mil we’d be gamebreakingly busted lol

[hardy shuttle]

Dragons and mm hunters in 12 second sims

[woven valley]

Though hopefully s3 will be better

[restive peak]

Fdk does NOT do 8mil ST

[olive wraith]

Cap lol

[restive peak]

They don’t lose that 20 and do more prio damage except current arcane

[olive wraith]

They might burst to 8m but sustain? Nah

[restive peak]

And again, focusing on the past is pointless

This season is over

[vital granite]

might do 8m burst st

[restive peak]

It’s time to move on for the leftover emotions, it’s over, we’re onto what’s next

[vernal laurel]

Or warlocks btw

can check vods for that as well

[woven valley]

Yeah 👍 that’s why I’m more or less saying s3 will hopefully feel better and be better

But we shall see

[dense elbow]

Yeah, but bursting 8m, is not the same as "doing 8m DPS"

[restive peak]

No one is doing 8mil, the highest simming class right now is like 6.8 and it’s so clearly an outlier it’s not even funny

[vital granite]

I'm not sure what else they could do with spear tbh than cdr

[restive peak]

And part of our identity as fury IS a very flat damage profile

[vital granite]

and that sure ain't in m+ setup

[vernal laurel]

Would love for it to get placed higer in the tree and become a chains like ability

[restive peak]

I personally love starting lust at 14th and watching myself climb to top 3-5 every fight while others ping pong, which brings me back to you don’t enjoy fury’s design or class identity

You enjoy the idea of being a warrior swinging 2 2hers

Those are two different likes

[hardy shuttle]

Although spear would kind of be a cool way to add a funnel cd. Partial damage to chained mobs affects your primary target or some shit

[olive wraith]

I do miss having burst like Df s3

That was good times

[woven valley]

I mean fury being flat damage hasn’t been a long term identity thing at least since I remember it’s only come into play lately

[restive peak]

But I think it’s pretty clear rose is designed to be the AOE option and spear the ST, so I doubt they’ll do that

[woven valley]

It’s fine we are flat damage

[olive wraith]

Spear pulls ahead next season doesn’t it? For aoe

[restive peak]

It was DFS2, even S3 our burst wasn’t high

Uhhh it does but it’s minor, and assuming perfect conditions which rarely happens

[olive wraith]

The Of set wasn’t burst?

[restive peak]

I’d say roar will end up being more likely

[vital granite]

Chains can be difficult i think, chaining mobs in m+ can be good, but if used wrong it can also just annoy or slow down your run, so idk if it's the best choice, but moving it up and having more options would be cool for sure

[vernal laurel]

No i like climbing dps meter as well steadily, I have not said that I dont. I have mained Fury since MoP and never changed main. I just want us to be better in specific scenarios where it would be logical for us to be

[woven valley]

I hate spear so much

[restive peak]

It was burst, but it wasn’t burst like a lock does

[dense elbow]

Aruguably burst, but not really.

[woven valley]

Always have since sl

[dense elbow]

It is like BS atm, it is a DPS spike, but not really burst

[restive peak]

Yeah spear is dogshit design, we all know that

[vernal laurel]

I agree!

[olive wraith]

Of was the biggest burst tier we had iirc

[woven valley]

Ancient aftershock was better and it sucked too

I just liked knocking down casters over and over

[quiet breach]

is there any other specs with as flat a damage profile as fury war?

[mystic hill]

god i miss that button

[vernal laurel]

Buff it with 100%. Comon blizz, do it

[restive peak]

TWW S1 before they nuked us was by far the highest burst we ever had lol

[vital granite]

Idk how far ahead roar/spear is of just stats

[mystic hill]

outlaw mebbe? havent seen those guys for a while

[vital granite]

might end up just filling out all stat nodes

[restive peak]

Not that i know of

[vital granite]

i remember crit saying spear wasn't that far ahead of just stats

[vernal laurel]

Yeah it was insane

[dense elbow]

Isnt outlaw superflat, with its bladeflurry?

never thought much about it

[restive peak]

It isn’t, spear is like .2% ahead in a perfect scenario on 5T

[olive wraith]

Sorry I meant in Df

[restive peak]

Which considering human error probably means it’s not worth it

[mystic hill]

someone got that charge into release spirit meme?

[restive peak]

We def didn’t have higher burst in DFS3 lol

TWW s1 was stupid

[dense elbow]

Stupid fun that is

[vital granite]

Not even human error, mobs are just annoying in general, dashing lizards in new dungeon etc.

[restive peak]

Like it needed to be nuked, they just overdid it and then didn’t give us anything to balance it

[restive peak]

That’s what I mean by human error, expecting your tank to perfectly line everything up and knock in casters etc

Maybe human error was a poor wording lol

[mystic hill]

havent checked yet, do we have any decent on use trinket next season?

[vital granite]

it would seem not

[vernal laurel]

The one from Halls was good, have not tested it after nerfs

[restive peak]

Trinkets are in a weird place, they’re looking at buffing the raid ones

Halls is dead now

Sadly

[hardy shuttle]

Does meat cleaver prioritize mobs chained to the spear? Ive always felt that was the biggest weakness. Drop spear in 10 mobs and your rotation potentially only hits your primary target

[quiet breach]

nerfed?

[vital granite]

but there's likely still more trinket tuning to come

[vernal laurel]

Otherwise we actually do not have any good trinkets that align with our CDs

[restive peak]

The trinket? Yeah

[vernal laurel]

That is very sad, we dont have any trinkets then

[vital granite]

nothing alligns with our cds regardless

[summer quail]

Giga nerfed

[vital granite]

when we play AM

[restive peak]

Without tuning, you’d probably run sac and floodgate trinky sadly

Double passive and lame

[vernal laurel]

incredibly boring

[mystic hill]

meh

[restive peak]

Which hilariously enough further hurts whatever burst we have in CDs and lust lmao

[vernal laurel]

At least give us lust to compensate smh

[mystic hill]

gonna hang onto my hosue for a while then

[quiet breach]

on use trinkets that are just "STATSSSSS" are not any more fun

[summer quail]

Everyone was expecting halls trinket to get nerfed. Just not gutted

[restive peak]

Idk man house of cards feelsgoodman

[vernal laurel]

True, give us Draught of souls again

that was fun

[dense elbow]

I cant wait to use avatar, roar, OF, storm - without a trinky amp

[restive peak]

The blizzard special bro

[summer quail]

Yuup

[restive peak]

Balancing is a meme, overnerf or overbuff all day

[vernal laurel]

Its actually insane how bad they are at nerfing things in moderation

[vital granite]

they'll likely do more tuning later, maybe buff the halls trinket enough to where it sees use

[restive peak]

Tbh my concern rn is they overnerf MM/BM/FDk and we end up getting fuckin shot 2 weeks into the tier

[mystic hill]

havent found a guild for next patch, how big are the special boots? wondering if i wanna slave away applying to guilds again

[restive peak]

They’re massive bro lol

[mystic hill]

maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

[quiet breach]

do u think we are next up

[dense elbow]

Hey, dont sleep on survival hunter

[restive peak]

I mean we’re behind them and the mage specs (possibly all 3 what else is new for the overlords)

But we’re pretty up there yeah

Warlock is wonky rn but it’s a VERY clear error, like they’re 30% above other specs on pure ST

[vernal laurel]

Looking forward to Rallying cry being 20% in 5-man partys this tuning pass

[restive peak]

So that’s either a bug or a massive oversight that will get corrected

[dense elbow]

Bug? Nah. Feature.

[restive peak]

See the rallying cry thing I agree with, darkness getting what it gets and us left dead on that specific ability is garbage design

Rally is a fuckin joke

[vital granite]

rally could be 20% in raid content too

[dense elbow]

I like rally being so weak, means I got a talent to move into wrecking throw

[vernal laurel]

yeah its infuriating. Thats where I a coming from when i talk about utility mostly

[restive peak]

Or leave it but add 10% DR for the duration

That would be huge

[vernal laurel]

Like we dont even count my rallying cry in our defensive CD rotation when we do +19s man

[quiet breach]

warlock in my guild says that demo ST is almost double aff's

[restive peak]

Bro funky out here trollin

[mystic hill]

can you give me a feelycrafty number for the gain?

[restive peak]

Yeah demo is insane

[vital granite]

aff is just in the gutter

[dense elbow]

I like wrecking throw, what can I say?

[vital granite]

poor spec needs another rework

[dense elbow]

It does some dam if nothing else, as I run from the boss for the 14th time

[restive peak]

Actually not sure but I know it’s a pretty notable increase across all the various cloak benefit

[vernal laurel]

or the shadow priest treatment of just adding another stack to their spread ability

[mystic hill]

lets prayge i get it in my vaults from boosting i guess

[quiet breach]

what ilvl is the special cloak

[vital granite]

it goes up to 730 i think

[quiet breach]

weekly upgrades? what does it start at

[restive peak]

The boots are going to cause even more degeneracy with splits, feel awful for the RWF

And so glad I chose this tier to step back from hardcore rank raiding lol

Yeah it’s a weekly thing like the belt

[vital granite]

it starts at like 703 or 706 i think and then just weekly upgrade

[dense elbow]

Why would boots cause anything to happen? Wasnt the boots on personal bonus roll?

._.

[olive wraith]

Aren’t boots personal loot?

[vital granite]

it's on bonus loot

but i think you still roll? not sure, usually the like hs toys are on bonus roll and that gets rolled for?

[dense elbow]

Well, just get 29 traders into your HC raid, and go for that big chance - if so

[restive peak]

Oh maybe it is, still hate it

That’s a lot of RNG to add to the race

It’s not a small increase so it will matter

[vital granite]

Optional boss ✅ Optional loot ❎

[restive peak]

Like if one team gets 6 and 1 gets 18, I promise the 18 havin team is winning

[dense elbow]

True and real, just kill last boss first - ye

ez clap

[restive peak]

This is how China wins

[dense elbow]

Nah, NA and EU stays the course

ignore the boss

[olive wraith]

They nerfing eu

[dense elbow]

1tap the lastboss

gg

[olive wraith]

By adding rng loot

[lean heart]

rally is so piss idt my guild has assigned it for the past like 3 tiers

[smoky wraith]

Dw boys i am making RWF full warrior team, we taking 1st place next tier

[dense elbow]

Not been any big AoE raid busters this time around?

[restive peak]

Yeah rally is an oh shit extra button

[smoky wraith]

(in deaths per second)

[vital granite]

Yeah, oh shit i accidentally wasted a gcd for nothing

[olive wraith]

Warriors are pretty damn tanky

[lean heart]

real

[dense elbow]

I had one moment this expansion when someone asked, "can you rally next?"

[vital granite]

our guild assigned it

[quiet breach]

isn't skill diff too large tho

[olive wraith]

Rally should stack

[lean heart]

last time i remember getting assigned rally was sark

[quiet breach]

didn't a Korean guild beat the number 1 China guild even

in this last tier

or am I trippin

[dense elbow]

No idea, if ya aint 1st, you dont matter

[restive peak]

Yeah I’m just memein

[quiet breach]

hold on I don't wanna shit on China I gotta check this

[restive peak]

But the boots seem unnecessarily required for an “optional boss” and rare personal loot

[dense elbow]

I wont even meme, I want china to win

[inland flame]

I wonder about how many ilvls the boot effect is worth

[plush zephyr]

What about boots

[hardy shuttle]

Social credit farming

[dense elbow]

The boots that buff the cape

[quiet breach]

is that 4th guild Chinese or Korean

[plush zephyr]

2 nukes, a day

[quiet breach]

can't tell the difference in Asian languages NA education srry

[limber oar]

Chinese

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/michaelscott-wink-yes-you-know-it-gif-13342379

[quiet breach]

ok NVM a Korean guild did not beat them

[limber oar]

But also theres a website that shows # of pulls to CE

And chinese guild avg literally

4-5x the amount

Er not actually but

Its like double

[restive peak]

Their mental needs to be studied bro

[sour frigate]

Its simple Chinese has hieroglyphs and Korean has letters

[plush zephyr]

Chinese are too busy doing keys

[sour frigate]

[restive peak]

Like that’s not a compliment

[quiet breach]

yeah skill diff is too big

between west

[dense elbow]

Bills gotta be paid, I am happy for em

[restive peak]

Imagine being so numbed and stupid you go “LETS NEVER DISCUSS SHIT THROW YOUR BODIES AT THE BOSS NOWWWWWW”

[quiet breach]

did China used to be competitive before wow got banned there for awhile?

[winter shoal]

chinese, that's hotpot hero innit

[restive peak]

Just smashing pulls over and over and over, no WA making, no discussing what killed them

[sour frigate]

Balls*

[restive peak]

Just do 700 pulls

[quiet breach]

I honestly doubt this is how it is, they are probably just not nearly as good as liquid echo method

[restive peak]

I thought I was gonna kill myself on tindral and I think we were like US30th

[winter shoal]

Gonna need a citation on that one chief

[dense elbow]

Lets not talk about Tindral

I beg

[restive peak]

Man no shot, they have too many pulls in a short timeframe to be taking breaks between pulls

[sour frigate]

I mean i used to play with chinese the guys are turbo commited

[restive peak]

But the insanity

[quiet breach]

I'm not the one making the claim

[orchid brook]

5% aura buff arms and fury

patch notes up

[restive peak]

Of chain pulling world first bosses with minimal discussion lol

Bro we are getting nerfed week 2, FUCK

[winter shoal]

Oh I misread my bad sry NA education as well

[dense elbow]

If true, I am quite happy - that is the bump I asked for

[orchid brook]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/ghosts-of-k’aresh-development-notes/2119874/12

[winter shoal]

we take those ig

[dense elbow]

Hey, we did get the bump

[inland flame]

DOUBLE 5% AURA AINT NO WAY

[restive peak]

I promise we’re getting nerfed week 2 if any of the outliers got nerfed in this patch

[dense elbow]

we gone from good/decent, to good/great

[quiet breach]

why are we getting buffed again

this is getting to the point I don't like it anymore

[restive peak]

Blizzard hit the dartboard on 5 when discussing us

[quiet breach]

I was fine with where we were

[vital granite]

[dense elbow]

They wanted to nerf us, but then they remembered teh forum on fire for three months. Ppl in every thread scream and screetch about Fury

[celest anchor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761040892970139649.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[dense elbow]

they had no choice

[winter shoal]

[smoky wraith]

[warped bone]

I'll take it

[junior gale]

Fury tier it is RIP ARMS

[restive peak]

Wallife gets it

[junior gale]

[quiet breach]

broski both got the same buff lol

[restive peak]

We are fucked in a few weeks enjoy mythic 0 week bois

[quiet breach]

why is it NOW u say that ahaha

[junior gale]

thats the issue

[warped bone]

Arms is behind tho Iskus

[restive peak]

Yeah arms is dogwater it needed like 20% lol

[dense elbow]

@edgy widget mind emoting with the pog on the thing, so I can get to emote pog on the thing?

Also, as ppl gonna ask - how much of a DPS increase is this for us?

[quiet breach]

oh ye u right

actually that makes sense

[restive peak]

Wallife NOOOOOOO DUDE

[junior gale]

RIP Wallife

[quiet breach]

in RWF?

[winter shoal]

I got you big dawg

[celest anchor]

this spec is extremely bad idk

[junior gale]

leaving the brown squad

[restive peak]

You’re one of the warriors I watch during prog 😦

[dense elbow]

pog

[slim coral]

We’re back

[olive wraith]

Holy crap

[olive wraith]

Aura buff I told yall

[hardy shuttle]

Clap*

[olive wraith]

[celest anchor]

warrior just not made for this raid unfortunately

[restive peak]

I mean I’m gonna enjoy it for a bit but I think we’re gonna get fucked

[celest anchor]

burst damage valued alot and gg

[restive peak]

Yeah I could see that, sadness

[sour frigate]

[restive peak]

Prot warr RWF barring changes then

[olive wraith]

I do wish they helped our cds

But aura is nice I guess

[winter shoal]

Psychic link another 5% HOLY

[slim coral]

Hmm this does technically buff our cds by 5 percent

But doesn’t it technically even out

[dense elbow]

OF buffed by 5% you say?

I take it

[slim coral]

So we won’t take of

[edgy widget]

less than +5%

[slim coral]

If we could take of it’d be good

[edgy widget]

you can take OF

[dense elbow]

Nooo! Less than 5%?!

We are doomed

it is over

[edgy widget]

auto attacks aren't abilities

[dense elbow]

oh the humanity

[slim coral]

[sullen dove]

u gotta crop yo shit man

[slim coral]

Listen I was already slow cause I was eating dinner

[dense elbow]

How much is autos and stuff even nowdays? I dont raid so I have no idea

[slim coral]

Didn’t have time with greasy hands from lamb chops

[dense elbow]

3-6?

[summer quail]

Less

[olive wraith]

Fdk nerfs

Let’s go

[oak garden]

Wup

[dense elbow]

I cant belive that blizzard didnt buff that portion

[restive peak]

The fdk nerfs are insanely minor

[dense elbow]

they clearly hate dps warrior

[summer quail]

Autos are nothing this expansion

[slim coral]

OF on nexus king for the ads would be good

[olive wraith]

Feral buff

Oh boy

[sullen dove]

@dapper goblet thoughts on 4th deserved buff?

[slim coral]

But in the rest of the fight of would be kinda useless

[dapper goblet]

blizzard buffs and nerfs around the mini game m+ mode

[inland flame]

OF not needing a 50% tier bonus to be taken would be p neat tbh

[winter shoal]

dk got away with murder ong

[sullen dove]

myess

[sullen dove]

i love my mini game mode

[gloomy loom]

5% buff

[sullen dove]

i will purchase the highest rank and title and then gas myself up about how i get title because i definitely earned it

[celest sierra]

5% buff for fury all around

[subtle heron]

Why does Arch's Pog emote feel like a sarcastic one?

[slim coral]

Atleast they fixed your tier set

[restive peak]

I mean the fdk nerfs and our 5% buff for M+ specifically gets us semi close

But fdk doesn’t seem to lose like any ST from this nerf

[slim coral]

Still capped to 5 tho

[dense elbow]

Just a very sidenote of sidenotes, the SP priest buff prob push em up there

[winter shoal]

SP buffs are crazy

[restive peak]

We’re gonna have another mage SP VDH season

And resto Druid is good so the 5th can be a variety of things

[junior gale]

might not even be net nerfs they did a few fixes as well

[dense elbow]

Nu-uh, we gonna have a phy comp season

[lean heart]

love scrolling all the way to the bottom seeing 5% aura buffs and nothing else

[dense elbow]

with monk, warrior, and warrior and monk

[quiet breach]

what's SP

[dense elbow]

ShadowPriest

[restive peak]

Shadow priest

[celest sierra]

Shadow priest

[south kayak]

Tuning is still not over

[restive peak]

Shadowlinc coming out of retirement

[quiet breach]

wait wasn't spriest fucking ass in m+ this season

[celest sierra]

Absolutely trash

[restive peak]

Yeah but in DF it was god tier

[dense elbow]

Last key I did on the PTR, shadow did 8m ish overall - they werent weak, and they getting a bump. I am happy for my mate, he prob a happy camper right now

[celest sierra]

I think Dk gunna keep getting nerfed blizz put them out way to strong on the PTR

[red berry]

hunter and frost will cop more nerfs

[restive peak]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-care-forget-it-no-gif-20897153

Idk Hunter looks pretty shot

[south kayak]

Tuning is still not over since they’re still fixing tier set bugs lol

[dense elbow]

Oy, we need em to be our firewall from nerfs

[restive peak]

I think they’re all gonna be raging

[red berry]

hunter nerf big?

[south kayak]

“Shot”

Hunter joke

[restive peak]

SOMEONE GOT IT

[sour frigate]

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-pat-gif-24957682

[narrow fossil]

Now increase target cap to 8 and we're ok

[dense elbow]

Noh

[restive peak]

Wait wasn’t feral kinda fucking? This seems wild

[south kayak]

I think this is the 4th time in a row hunter got their Pack set nerfed lol

[storm birch]

OMG

[south kayak]

The Stampede thing

[dense elbow]

Feral was fucking

[restive peak]

Yeah it’s absolutely hilarious

[dusty aspen]

I wish survival played a bit smoother. I love being a warrior with a pet basically

[dense elbow]

Maybe not in raid?

[restive peak]

Hunters and rogues have it way worse than we do man

[south kayak]

Not in raid I don’t think

[dusty aspen]

Imagine if they gave them dual wield back

[restive peak]

They get fucked over every patch lately

[storm birch]

Let’s goooo

[dense elbow]

Yeah, but how do we say it... ah, yes - fuck em'

[south kayak]

I’m surprised they haven’t nerfed survival sentinel set

[limber oar]

Guys

We have to sandbag hard

[dense elbow]

Surv is something a lot of ppl sleep on

[limber oar]

If we wanna avoid a nerf at this point

This has to be a concentrated effort

[south kayak]

But then again tuning isn’t done

[restive peak]

Trust me for ST we don’t have to sandbag still, we’re a solid 10-15% behind a few specs

[limber oar]

Ok either way

Delay a few gcds

[restive peak]

But for AOE we’re starting to get into wonky territory imo

[dense elbow]

ST doesnt matter tho, we an AoE cleave spec

[restive peak]

Especially since an ST buff for us carries over

[limber oar]

Use a few abilities with no whirlwind stacks

[celest sierra]

So all jokes aside this 5% where does that put us on the food chain now

[dense elbow]

From decent/good, to good/great

[jolly marten]

boiz

we are back

what?

[dense elbow]

(for now)

[jolly marten]

what?

[restive peak]

For M+ we’re up there competitively now

[jolly marten]

what?

[restive peak]

For pure ST we are healthy strong but not great

[full siren]

now just give us 8 target again

and were ballin

[restive peak]

So honestly similar to fury’s life pattern lol

[round kelp]

no, wtf are u all talking about we are not even close to good on m+

[restive peak]

If they gave us 8T they’d have to nuke us

[trim nest]

Stop dream lol

[full siren]

no

[celest sierra]

I got 100K gold says we get nerfed week one of raid lmao

[jolly marten]

i dont know how hard were the dks nerfs

[restive peak]

On the PTR we are very very good in M+

[celest sierra]

Like they did in NP

[jolly marten]

cause if they werent

[south kayak]

Let’s not get a head of ourselves, wait until last week tuning, and I’m pretty sure they also do tuning after raid launches for a bit

[jolly marten]

im afraid we are far behind still

[dense elbow]

Noone gonna take a losing bet against that, yo

[restive peak]

Yeah we’re probably 3 tuning passes away from week 2 of the raids balance

[celest sierra]

😂😂

[trim nest]

He give that fury in sl 4 , that are up for 1 week after that u are nerf lol

[celest sierra]

We need to make it a mission for every warrior to parse grays first week of the raid so we get buffed

[south kayak]

I’m not worried about raid balance if undermine is anything to go by, not a bad job of tuning

[restive peak]

Don’t scroll up and see what Wallife said bro

[south kayak]

I wasn’t planning on it

[restive peak]

It’ll break your heart because I haven’t done any raid tests but he definitely knows lol

[dense elbow]

He will live, as he can just n->Fury

[south kayak]

The undermine tuning for the first few weeks definitely wasn’t good but that takes time to settle

First few weeks are always messy

I’m still not worried

[restive peak]

I won’t be super sad if shadow is good, I enjoy shadow priest as an idea and the aesthetic so I’m down for playing mine

[dense elbow]

For once we not tuned around having a shit tierset, so we wont be going in swinging above our weightclass for once

that is kinda nice

Less chance for a kneejerk nerf

[restive peak]

Yeah that’s definitely true this time

We will be pretty meh until tier lol

[celest sierra]

I’m just glad we are done with UM tierset. This was the wordt tier set ever

[dense elbow]

(2) And I be slaying happily

[gloomy loom]

What tier are we in s3 in raid right now?

[south kayak]

I am going to main a healer for raid this tier, a priest. I’m not definitely not mad if shadow is good since I wanna play a dps for m+ lol

[jolly marten]

im afraid that 3% wont be enough for fdks

[restive peak]

This entire tier set was dogshit, this gambling thing

[south kayak]

So will pretty much everyone though

[restive peak]

Lore wise it was cool but it’s so lame

[restive peak]

We take over the sps if needed bro

[south kayak]

You think??

[dense elbow]

Stay in the pack, less chance to get caught by the hawk

[restive peak]

I mean the 3% wasn’t the only frost nerf

[jolly marten]

also wtf? 8% to feral is way too much, feral did great in aoe

[restive peak]

They also nerfed the set and something else

[celest sierra]

Feral deserves it tho

[restive peak]

Does feral have the “all aoe” or “all st” talent tree problem

If so that would explain it

[south kayak]

Yes it does

[summer quail]

i'm sorry

[dense elbow]

Yep

[jolly marten]

only his single target.. in m+ he did great dmg

[south kayak]

Why? I want to lol

[dense elbow]

It is all Funnel, all ST or all AoE kinda weird

[restive peak]

Well then even if they do great AOE they’re a liability in m+ for bosses etc

[olive wraith]

Df s1

[restive peak]

So the 8% makes a bit more sense

[celest sierra]

That was not as bad as this one

[dense elbow]

Well, if they bring AoE/Funnel build, them with us = feels so good

[olive wraith]

Wasn’t it like 4%

[restive peak]

Honestly I’d be cool with that

[dense elbow]

Most fun comp I had this season is feral/me/outlaw, smoothest pack kills in my life

[summer quail]

power infusion. i would rather play a non priest non evokr healer(coz of the range)

[restive peak]

I think their realistic M+ balance goal should be that there’s 1 equally viable phys and wizard comp each season

[south kayak]

I enjoy the priest play style the most idk

[summer quail]

df s1 was fun af. it was real bad but atleast it was fun

[south kayak]

Not gonna play something else I don’t like

[summer quail]

and it was noticeable

rotation wise

[south kayak]

Yeah

It’s basically slayer in a set

[celest sierra]

Having a wizard comp be good and a physical comp be good is great

Everyone gets a place in the meta

[restive peak]

Yep exactly

[dense elbow]

that isnt how the meta works

[olive wraith]

Wasn’t it jus sd procs

[dense elbow]

Everyone wont get a place in the meta

[restive peak]

That would be my goal if I was a designer

[dense elbow]

that doesnt make sense

:<

[restive peak]

You can aim to get a comp of each type within equivalent key stone level

They did it this tier

[echo rapids]

Blood DK horribly broken: here’s an 8% aura buff and cross your fingers for midnight

[restive peak]

The community still sucks

But there are phys comps in world 1 ranked keys

[summer quail]

i mean same for arms xD. spec needs god

[restive peak]

Arms getting the same as fury makes me think more is coming on the next tuning pass

[summer quail]

i know 5% instead of 8% but semantics

[dense elbow]

Arms need the rework given by two certain warriors

[restive peak]

There’s no chance they thought both specs are equal

[vernal laurel]

There is a chance

[restive peak]

I could see next patch having some big arms changes that took a bit of time

Not a rework

[olive wraith]

As long as arms doesn’t end wildly ahead in m+

[vernal laurel]

Would love some changes y!

[restive peak]

But like an actually thought out buff

[summer quail]

10% ms buff

[restive peak]

Because 5% on both is stupid

It takes arms from dead to a stronger corpse

Comparatively

[celest sierra]

Honestly if they don’t give us any more buffs and just increase our cap to 8. I think we would be an an absolute perfect spot

[orchid brook]

5% on each while they figure out wtf to do

is my guess lol

[vernal laurel]

This is not the Arms channel, but removing Sweeping strikes from the GCD would be a good start

[celest sierra]

As is it stands rn

[vernal laurel]

Also making Warbreaker and Demolish synch more naturally would also feel great

[summer quail]

they're gonna put it on quarter gcd! it was a full gcd a long time ago, now it's half a gcd. soon quarter gcd

[vernal laurel]

Moving slowely, but moving indeed

[celest sierra]

Cap increase to 8 targets
Replace SMF with onslaught
And give us Maldraxus banner in onslaughts spot

Gg

Onslaught is such a weak capstone

[tepid cedar]

all ability by 5. i fucking knew it

LETS GO BOYS

[olive wraith]

All our capstones are

[celest sierra]

Yeh but that’s the weakest

[restive peak]

Hey unhinged is doing some heavy lifting bro

[olive wraith]

Okay 1 out of 6

[red berry]

5% aura means capstones got s buff

[jolly marten]

i was so worried that they gonna aura nerf and buff main abilities again

[south kayak]

Sometimes y’all acting like the most current tuning is the last one we’ll ever get

[restive peak]

Hahaha yeah our capstones suck

[tepid cedar]

FUCKING STOKED

we gonna eat well this tier

[jolly marten]

we are so close on not picking any capstones at all

[olive wraith]

I just figured they’d aura tune the week before launch

[limber oar]

not according to wallife

[celest sierra]

I won’t 😦 ima be gone all of August ima have so much catching up to do bro

[south kayak]

Raid isn’t coming on launch is it

[edgy widget]

week after

[olive wraith]

No Aug 12

[winter shoal]

What does that guy know anyways

[south kayak]

Exactly

[olive wraith]

Wdym exactly lol

[winter shoal]

DK shot in the head on Aug 11 surely

[limber oar]

i think hes a 0 parsing loser

[olive wraith]

They aura tuned

[south kayak]

Not for you

Just in general

That there’s more tuning

[boreal swallow]

is 5% enough for m+?

[olive wraith]

I mean we were already pretty good

[south kayak]

We were enough before this in m+

[celest sierra]

DKs and Hunters shouldn’t be able to make it to live in the current PTR standard . They are insane so nerfs to them are def warranted

[winter shoal]

For you no, for me yes

[olive wraith]

Plus the big boys got nerf a little

[tepid cedar]

bro we got huge buffs on tiersets. and now a all out 5%

[winter shoal]

DK nerf was barely anything

[tepid cedar]

compared to the state we been in

[south kayak]

I don’t know about hunters, they got nerfed

[tepid cedar]

hjow the fuck ppl still complaining

[olive wraith]

People complaining?

[winter shoal]

They don't have a tier list to tell them what to think yet

[celest sierra]

Exactly , if they hit live servers as is Frost especially is gunna dominate the field

[tepid cedar]

asll these buffs im bout to fuck this tier lol. we gon be goood

[storm birch]

Will the 5% take affect on ptr next week most likely? I’m so excited to try it

[limber oar]

im complaining about getting nerfed in a later patch lmfao

[meager gyro]

5% closer to next lowest class

[tepid cedar]

lol be smart

no on get on ptr anymore

dont give them any data

lol

[vernal laurel]

Its live now no?

[low vector]

maybe they will raise cap then XD

[olive wraith]

I think they just push a button and ptr gets updated

[storm birch]

Oh if that’s the case then I’m fuming stuck at work for the next 12 hours

[celest sierra]

Bro I literally said everyone gray parse week one of raid lmao so they buff us

[tepid cedar]

lol

[low vector]

Smart

[tepid cedar]

9-% of the fury warriros already do

90*

so we gucci

[echo rapids]

How’s this raid tier look for melee vs undermine?

[meager gyro]

Another warrior ptr update without them removing rampage

[celest sierra]

Why would they ever remove rampage

[winter shoal]

You know that's not how logs work right

[celest sierra]

I know but at this point it’s worth a shot lmao

[meager gyro]

Our auto attack damage still needs a 750% buff

[smoky vale]

is the dk discord just pure yap or

havent looked but i kinda wanna see how much they are crying

[winter shoal]

Crying?

[boreal swallow]

@winter shoal for me yes for you no you mean

[winter shoal]

Bro they're popping champagne in the streets

[restive peak]

Was the FDK one a decent AOE nerf but just minor for ST or what

[jolly marten]

i dont care fdks being meta again.. let the devs play their favourite specs over and over again...im just happy that warriors seeing some attention at least

[celest sierra]

Dk discord is a bunch of crybabies

[winter shoal]

3%ish aoe, talent changes and bugfixes pretty much make it neutral ST

[storm birch]

Havoc untouched interested to see how everything stacks up now

[low vector]

ele got good buffs tho

[storm birch]

I’m nervous our raid performance is gonna be too good with 4p

[restive peak]

Gotcha so yeah they’re happy

[summer quail]

i think havoc is at the perfect spot in their eyes

[storm birch]

It looks really strong

[celest sierra]

I got removed from it for posting the same link I posted here . At least here , the mods confronted me about it and corrected me and not straight up removed me

[winter shoal]

Ele was down so bad it's not even funny

[summer quail]

havoc really solid but nothing egregious

[winter shoal]

Maybe don't link sketchy shit it sounds like

[warped drum]

is that 5% buff any good?

[low vector]

ngl seeing people complaining about mm hunter getting nerfed lol

[median token]

bad, buffs are always bad

[celest sierra]

I mean it wasn’t sketchy I explained what it was but I was wrong to think people on the internet would believe a random link like that . Lesson learned

[summer quail]

yeah it's a good buff. we were already looking solid. arms still bad tho

[south kayak]

It’s a 5% buff, so yes

Any buff is good

[median token]

just dont hit adds first week and we good

[warped drum]

ight. im playing fury for the raid buff for my raid team.

[summer quail]

do not say things like that. suddenly they buff a bunch of weird things and we run OF OS spear roar powerful enrage SMF

[winter shoal]

won't be any adds to hit, dks will oneshot them all

[median token]

best scenario

[slim coral]

It’s fury’s time to rise

[celest sierra]

Incoming buff to slam lmao

[summer quail]

would not surprise me "we want fury to press slam in st in situations where you would whirlwind"

[meager gyro]

We need auto attack dmg, how have they not figured this out.

[storm rune]

they need to realize all fury needs is slam and whirlwind

Bloodthirst? raging blow? That's so 2013

[untold moth]

5% aura lets gooooo gotta love it when they soft signal they are okay with leaving your class as a heaping pile and sprinkling some aura on top as a bandage

[storm rune]

Rampage? What is this, an atari in an 80s arcade

[jolly marten]

tell that to 130% buff to ww

[low vector]

well still not top 1 5 target dmg lol XD

[olive wraith]

???

[brittle crow]

FURY IS BACK

[summer quail]

that's the rock monkey movie name

rampage

[median token]

rampage was an old game too

[untold moth]

Sorry, /s

[low vector]

so blade storm was buffed by 20% overall lol

[earnest canyon]

How does that 5% feel? Is it even noticeable?

[storm rune]

it's like 1/20th noticable

[south kayak]

Sounds good to me

[olive wraith]

It doesn’t change how things feel

Just the meter

[median token]

next buff is you can use slam during BS

[south kayak]

Thane owns

[untold moth]

Still last in keys fighting not to be under the vengeance

[slim coral]

You never slam as fury tho

[earnest canyon]

Sorry that's what I meant. Do you feel competitive now?

[south kayak]

Sounds like a skill issue

[warm crag]

Sounds like a skill issue

[restive peak]

Just straight up tell us you have no idea how to play

[median token]

turn off 1 button

[slim coral]

I wasn’t even under vengeance before the buffs

[restive peak]

Bro I’m so much meaner than the other 2

[summer quail]

??? mans has not seen any ptr gameplay at all. thane kinda fucks

[restive peak]

I mean if he loses to vengeance now he’s literally possibly the worst person doing M+

[storm birch]

Honestly slayer and thane both felt competitive in pug setting ptr in my experience so far except against dks and hunters. Top end I’m sure it gets crazier with coordinated big pulls and stuff but for the average fury enjoyer it was decent. The 5% is definitely welcomed.

[earnest canyon]

I was strongly thinking of swapping back to hunter, but it keeps getting nerfed lol, and fury finally got a buff. Don't like going on ptr as I like to wait for final release

[untold moth]

I'm just 40 ilvls under cap with no tier, catchup is a bitch

[storm birch]

Still woulda liked to see a thing or two else adjusted but they prolly wanna see how it plays out

[restive peak]

Hunter is forever dead

[summer quail]

play whichever playstyle you enjoy more

[untold moth]

I'm all on on this s3 hype though, time to BLAST

[restive peak]

Hunter is cursed beyond anything we experience

[olive wraith]

Then wait until Aug 12 to make a choice

[low vector]

hunter needed the nerfs lol it was too op

[earnest canyon]

I am, but that doesn't mean I'm not interested in changes as we move toward release

[median token]

wait for sept and make the choice to play the meta

reroll

[jolly marten]

did they nerfed cursed stone idol?

is it worth now?

[summer quail]

yes. they gutted it

useless now

[winter shoal]

Not today's build but the previous one yes

[south kayak]

Yeah mine’s 50% meme lmao

[low vector]

Ima not reroll ima stick to fury as main forever Xd

[untold moth]

Fury4Lyfe

[south kayak]

Survival pumps in m+, probably more than both specs now lol

[earnest canyon]

I can't do that, I place fun over raw dps, eg tried unholy and can't stand it. Though I've never liked dk

[restive peak]

There’s a buff for it in this patch

Don’t know how much yet

[winter shoal]

fdk is unironically fun rn but you are omega wheelchair

[restive peak]

Survival as the Hunter spec is cursed cuz no one wants more melee lol

[summer quail]

ooh maybe it's useable now. would be nice for the ONLY 90 sec trinket to be useable

[restive peak]

Except that 1 time in SL

[south kayak]

S3

[median token]

SL last season was cursed

[south kayak]

Year of the spear

[summer quail]

literally gutted the only on use warrior wants hahahh

decision of all time

[storm rune]

yet

[olive wraith]

Tuning is gonna happen regardless. Play what you like more cause it probably won’t matter for the level you’re doing

[median token]

called bad

[south kayak]

Ironically, now that they are getting a giga wildfire bomb set again, they’re owning

[restive peak]

I would also accept survival as meta

[earnest canyon]

Lmao I love that it's called wheelchair. Pala used to be the wheelchair class.

[restive peak]

If I have to see another fuckin boomkin tier I’ll riot

[south kayak]

They didn’t even buff boomkin this post lol

[summer quail]

this is tooltip on ptr right now

[south kayak]

After the giga nerfs

[earnest canyon]

You look like a moonkin player in your pfp

[south kayak]

Moonkins are not buff

They’re skinny

Irl

[edgy widget]

yeah it was nerfed the other day, and that has not changed

[trim nest]

How much that trinket take nerf ?

[restive peak]

Yeah bro moonkins are furry skinny people

[storm rune]

aren't they basically owlbears?

[restive peak]

I was wrong about the trinket sadly yeah

[summer quail]

ok, just checked since lincc said it had gotten buffed again

[summer quail]

it's okay, i wanted to believe so badly i logged on just to check

[warm crag]

had enough of linccstyle misinformation

[summer quail]

maybe next time

[restive peak]

It’s why I’m here bro

You literally pay me to do it

[warm crag]

not wrong 94% of skyholdian misinformation campaigns are started by yellow men

@modest condor @oblique trail

[restive peak]

It’s a tough job but someone’s gotta do it

[winter shoal]

This is why madox isn't yellow

Hasn't spread enough misinformation yet

[south kayak]

YET

[edgy widget]

he's just manifesting

[warm crag]

yellow acceptance test should have a ragebaiting portion

[restive peak]

But we love rage bro

[south kayak]

I think they should buff the damage portion of the hoa trinket by a lot

If they don’t want the crit going out of control

It’s the only 1.5m trinket warriors wanted

Now we’re cooked

[low folio]

I’m assuming signet will be better than stone idol now that idol is merged

[south kayak]

Passive trinkets yet again

[winter shoal]

Triangle angle now

[south kayak]

[low folio]

Nerfed*

[south kayak]

I’ll never touch signet as a 1.5 class

Disgusting

Don’t mention that around me

[earnest canyon]

Idk what yellow means

[south kayak]

It means they’re stormforged role

Yellow name

[summer quail]

you've touched best in slots tho. and that is basically the same

[south kayak]

I have not touched it

[restive peak]

Touch it

[south kayak]

Because I didn’t play warrior

[torpid elbow]

oh shit warrior got a fucking bufff

[summer quail]

oh ye i forgot you're on warrior box

[olive wraith]

We have the last like 3 tuning changes

[low vector]

whats the best trinkets for warri rn in ptr anyways

[winter shoal]

🔮

[south kayak]

People always acting like it’s a surprise when a spec gets buffed

That happens on the regular

[torpid elbow]

they gave FDK an 3% nerf and fixed bugs

[winter shoal]

The usual suspects probably good candidates, sacbrood, pacemaker, netherprism might be okay? Signet might be okay now? We don't really know

[rigid stirrup]

I refuse to believe signit is good for us

[south kayak]

It’s probably a sac and pace angle

[restive peak]

Sac and pace

[winter shoal]

If you don't need on-demand burst yeah

[bitter palm]

go next gng

wrong chat

[olive wraith]

They nerfed other stuff no?

[bitter palm]

meant to type in arms

[winter shoal]

meant that for #arms huh?

[bitter palm]

ye

[bitter palm]

12.0

arms ownage

begins

[south kayak]

[bitter palm]

when they copy paste mine and walhes arms

[winter shoal]

Yeah and then change spell data so we hit for 4 damage with all those abilities

[bitter palm]

[torpid elbow]

boys how are looking are we moving up towards s tier

[winter shoal]

Me when I hit a HUGE imp SS exe for 132 combined damage

(there will be a stat squish)

[bitter palm]

i did some math guillotine with maxxed jugg and sd does around the same

as 30 stack collat

might be too high

[winter shoal]

CD only stacks to 20 tho 🙂

[bitter palm]

isnt that simc

only

[winter shoal]

Yeah

[bitter palm]

i dont remember

[winter shoal]

I was xddchatting

[bitter palm]

bro i am about to fork simc

implement arms rework

and do sims

[warm crag]

we have to sandbag a tiny bit more

[bitter palm]

fury does rdruid dps

in aoe

[dense fulcrum]

are we saved chat?

[winter shoal]

Some poor fuck is gonna come in here and see this and think it's real

[south kayak]

Lmao

[bitter palm]

[bitter palm]

fury cook incoming

[limber oar]

any sim masters have a ST sim for fury war with the ptr changes?

[orchid dagger]

No lol

[winter shoal]

Yeah it's about 5% more than last time

[orchid dagger]

Kek

[dense fulcrum]

[limber oar]

hey man i didnt even know what it was last time

[bitter palm]

was good

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-wow-yay-omg-really-gif-15731645

[limber oar]

inb4 5% less than this time

[bitter palm]

cause thane plays the same tree

[winter shoal]

No it doesn't

Thane drops roar capstones

[bitter palm]

chatting

[winter shoal]

And HnS

[restive peak]

Thane doesn’t need no pussy ass HnS bro, it claps