fury

[sullen dove]

don’t think she’s like that significant of like a story/reason to combat void/titans

aside from like silvermoon being her homeland

so maybe she’d want to protect it

[jagged forum]

the only thing that i imagine is that alleria will need help and she will go to her sister

[jagged forum]

or that

[smoky vale]

swordish

you are my

[sullen dove]

special

https://tenor.com/view/tookyt-jjk-sukuna-ryomen-ryomen-sukuna-gif-2362911435978468959

goofy opening

[smoky vale]

goober

[jagged forum]

i hope thrall do something tho , he didnt do anything at all in this exp

[smoky vale]

https://tenor.com/view/cherryfurby-whos-awesome-youre-awesome-glitter-puppy-dog-gif-3998145459110226674

[sullen dove]

am the most curious how they gonna handle zones next 2 expacs

[jagged forum]

he was only in the cinematic

[sullen dove]

since it’s like first time ever they came out the gate with “revisiting old zones” being the main focus

like tf they gonna do in northrend too

[marble pilot]

Just shadow purple filter on top of old zones.

[sullen dove]

revamp all of it or more islands/underground shit

[jagged forum]

?

what do u mean

do you know somehting ?

[dense elbow]

Northrend, the place with the weakest veil in reality on azeroth?

I dunno

maybe a path to some other place than shadowlands take advantage of that

[sullen dove]

in blizzcon when metzen talked about the next 3 expacs gave like small hints to the last 2 of where we going and vaguely what we doing

[dense elbow]

Ngl, I have no clue what we are doing at all

We are helping purple lady we chased around, for reasons, to stop purple ball we already defeated before?

[sullen dove]

like fighting the void in one and then the titans come back to fuck shit up in the second

[jagged forum]

ah that one

maybe they will do osmething in ulduar ?

[sullen dove]

the last titan is also def a double entendre

yea most likely something there

I think a whole ulduar themed zone would be cool

big ass titan creations that is a bit more plausible

[inland flame]

Maybe when we know exactly what Xal actually is things will make more sense? Tho prolly not idk.

Other than whatever that voidwalker model they gave her was.

[dense elbow]

I dont get why we dont just stab kill murder Xal when we see her

Why talk at all

just stab stab dead lady loot

[sullen dove]

idk cuz alleria hasn’t been able to do that

[jagged forum]

for the same reason on why the gandalf didnt use the eagles to go to the mount doom

[dense elbow]

We aint weak alleria, we the player characters, the ones who litteraly killed not only gods, but death itself

I think we can handle a purple lady

[marble pilot]

Cause we are dumb. She is using us not the other way around.
Oh no the big bad void guy got out. I guess we better team up. Sorry heros. I promise nothing bad will happen from killing my boss

Also if she dies the feet stop showing up

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-top-gear-jeremy-clarkson-no-one-cares-gif-18925814

[inland flame]

It's aight just make the next villain another attractive woman who hates shoes

[marble pilot]

Honestly I never understood it.
But Ive never cared about feet either.

[jagged forum]

they show her feet in front of your eyes man

and you didnt say anything ?

[marble pilot]

Yeah where are you socks. Or shoes. We outside,

[inland flame]

She just floats, like Sigma from OW

[jagged forum]

😄

[marble pilot]

Gunna have bugs and dirt and shit all over em

[inland flame]

Got them dawgs out

[orchid dagger]

I come back to Fury chat lusting over Knifu's feet. This spec is dead

[inland flame]

There have been worse conversations in here in recent memory

[flat river]

where is Knifu's feet 👀

who is Knifu lol

[orchid dagger]

Xally

[flat river]

xalateth

oooh

cause she was in the knife

i get it i get it

[sturdy river]

whats the chance we dont see further PTR tuning ?

[orchid dagger]

Holy shit this woyer brain in action

[orchid dagger]

Incredibly

[sturdy river]

☹️

[marble pilot]

ngl I get mildly upset whenever #news has something for not retail

[flat river]

real

wrong reply lol

[flat river]

90% not

[sturdy river]

assuming no more tuning we're pretty middle of the pack eh

with dogshit utility

same as it ever was i guess

[marble pilot]

I suspect tuning. We got 2 weeks of numbers tweaks to go

[lean nacelle]

tuning still happens even during first raid week

[winter shoal]

Demo lock is currently almost 50% ahead of some other specs in single target

If you don't think more tuning is happening, you need to lay off the crack pipe

And yeah they always do more tuning after the patch launches anyways

[oblique thistle]

Be honest, you thought this spec was dead before you even opened the chat

[gleaming siren]

And NOBODY knows still why Demo got a buff

except someone in this discord who told me I had no idea what I was talking about when I last said that

[orchid dagger]

I know its dead, it's why I'm playing spooky fury next patch

Should just make a new one and call it Deadfurystorage

[winter shoal]

I know why (it starts with "sand" and rhymes with "lagging")

[gleaming siren]

Nah

nobody sandbagged

if you want to point fingers at anyone for that this cycle it's mages

[quiet breach]

is the main reason uptime is heavily emphasized in the fury warrior guides because of anger management?

[undone flower]

yes and flat damage profile

[dense elbow]

Ya get a mechanic and got to leave melee range? Just jump into fire and die, it is over

[undone flower]

slayer wants you to stuck to your enemies feet too

[dense elbow]

Soon TM they will grant more power into our static* CDs, and downtime wont feel as bad

[winter shoal]

Uptime is always important but yeah AM makes uptime even more important

[dense elbow]

[low folio]

ive been trying to log onto the ptr today and its been basically unable to run without dcing for me

in the morning i could get into the game but it would just crash shortly after running around

ok i found the problem im dumb. it somehow enabled an addon from retail and it was not happy with it

[storm birch]

Yea was happening to me too

what addon was it ?

[low folio]

threat plates

[winter shoal]

HOLY

Bro is playing from 2014

[low folio]

they still update that addon you know

[storm birch]

Hmm I'll have to see if I can find out why it's happening to me

[low folio]

its pretty good

[winter shoal]

So is plater

[low folio]

like the aesthetic of threat plates

[winter shoal]

Fair enough I'm just fuckin with you

[quiet geyser]

Bruh if you saw my UI, you'd puke. I still use addons I used back in WOTLK and refuse to give up

[low folio]

back in MoP there was a fun UI addon i used that no longer exists but i enjoyed it for my casual little self

[dense elbow]

Oh? Ya going full clowncart with 10 windows with different colours and three repeat UI elements done in different ways?

[indigo arch]

perl and its offshoots all day every day since tbc

[quiet geyser]

Perl ❤️

And spartan ui

[low folio]

there was this old one called Supervillain ui. was really fun to use

[storm rune]

I think my oldest addon is MikScrollingBattleText from TBC

[quiet geyser]

I was using MSBT for awhile as well, but saw the nameplate battle text on critcakes stream once and thought that looked cool

So switched

[low folio]

arent they eventually removing nameplate addons

[quiet geyser]

I hope they don't remove too much stuff. The day I open WoW and don't get that nostalgic feeling with my old addons

Im qutting

[dense elbow]

I am glad I tuned into CritCake stream, just as he played with the combattext size

Big numbers big damage

Critcake, influencing UIs for better and worse

[jagged forum]

sr what are you talking about i wasnt here , what they will remove ?

[low folio]

well they plan to slowly replace and then prevent the use of many combat related addons if im not mistaken

[dense elbow]

As far as I know, they havent said they will remove plater addons - but people fear everything will be pruned away over time

[winter shoal]

I'm like 99% sure they said that functions like displaying debuffs and conditional formatting of nameplates isn't going to be supported anymore (surely they bake it into the base game ) but they're fine with UI modifications, so you'll probably be able to re-style nameplates but just not add logic to them

[brittle crow]

they still update elvui too

but if u use that u are showing that u are over the age of 35

unfort

[winter shoal]

[low folio]

i never liked elv ui. i cant get with that art style

[brittle crow]

yea cause ur not in ur 40s

[winter shoal]

what do zoomers use instead of elvui

[brittle crow]

im assuming

[low folio]

it doesnt match the game

[winter shoal]

(I am a zoomer and I use elvui)

[spare steppe]

I like elvui

[dense elbow]

35y confirmed

[spare steppe]

Its clean and doesn’t break

[brittle crow]

i use stock ui w bartender

[winter shoal]

Do you hate your eyeballs?

[quiet breach]

I use stock ui

just stock

I used to use elvui

[winter shoal]

Stock UI is crazy work

[quiet breach]

way back in the day

[brittle crow]

if u think elvui looks genuinely better than the stock ui ur taste is not to be trusted

idk

[spare steppe]

I haven’t touched stock ui in years

I don’t even know where I’d start

[brittle crow]

u don't start

[low folio]

i just dont like how elv ui is like a spreadsheet.

[brittle crow]

it works out of the box

u put things where u want them to be

and that's it

[winter shoal]

Yeah and they look like shit wherever you put them

Poggers

[brittle crow]

sorry i like my ui to be more than a flat colored box or a fugly preset gradient

[quiet breach]

Elvui lags the game that's enough of a reason to not wanna go back

[brittle crow]

sue me boomer

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/hoyocagao-gif-20895153

[winter shoal]

Bro I just said I'm a zoomer

[spare steppe]

What’s your ui look like

[brittle crow]

stock

[winter shoal]

get better pc ez

[spare steppe]

millennials getting caught in the zoomer boomer wars smh

[brittle crow]

millennials are boomers too now sorry

[spare steppe]

You take that back

[low folio]

i mean elv ui is just a bunch of thin rectangles

[brittle crow]

uninstall elvui and i might

[low folio]

but many people like the addon, i dont

[spare steppe]

I’ll try disabling it but you can take plater from my cold dead hands

[brittle crow]

i use plater too lol

plater is good

elvui bad

[low folio]

it likely wont be done too soon but eventually even plater will lose a lot of its combat functionality outside of aesthetic and size changes

most likely

[brittle crow]

plater isn't high on their shitlist

[spare steppe]

Jundies profile is a thing of beauty

[low folio]

well the first google search about addons being removed shows weak auras, DBM and plater as the first three listed

not fully removed but limited

[brittle crow]

i use quaziis

[dense elbow]

Google prob just catching the keywords ppl use when they doom about it

but if blizz has directly said: These are gonna die

then aight

is what it is

[spare steppe]

Isn’t quazii’s paid for?

I like his excel sheet just don’t like paying for anything

[spare steppe]

You can add omnicd to that too

[silk wharf]

From what I think I know their stance is that things that provide combat information are going to get hit first.

[radiant plank]

quziis is free on his website

[silk wharf]

So the custom nameplate/fonts etc fine. The dynamically updating auras not so much.

[low folio]

im betting DBM and WA's will be the first to get hit

[winter shoal]

I will stan jundies until my dying breath

quazii is also good but the look and feel just doesn't do it for me, too glossy

[silk wharf]

My only fear, and one I think is well founded, is that they will implement the addonpocalypse with their own takes on these functions available but they will be woefully inadequate.

[winter shoal]

I mean yeah every time they've done something like this in the entire history of the game has been like that

Good philosophical ideas with shit implementations

[low folio]

they also take a long time to change their stances on certain design decisions. like swirlies existing for so long instead of just using circles

[ashen pine]

dream for Slayer to be in m+

[olive wraith]

Only if thane becomes raid

[low folio]

its probably not even that far behind thane in season 3 all things considered damage wise for dungeons. although even if they were equal thane would have the advantage of being tankier

[ashen pine]

Thane is very boring and slow(

[storm birch]

PTR is so busted for me I cri

[olive wraith]

How is it slow

[waxen vale]

slow???

[spare steppe]

Thane is awesome

[low folio]

ya i stopped getting heavy frame drops by disabling an addon that shouldnt have even existed but i still crash off

[sour frigate]

@dense elbow

[olive wraith]

Boring is opinion so I won’t argue that

[spare steppe]

I just want slayer to use execute when it’s available and not hold

[radiant plank]

BFA ahh comp

[olive wraith]

S3 I think you do. Maybe you hold for one mfe

[dense elbow]

God I wish I was outlaw

[olive wraith]

But I think it’s pretty much full send

[ashen pine]

it's hard to describe, but when you use thunder strike, it basically creates some kind of slowness.. And in Slayer strike you are constantly spinning and create a feeling of dynamism in the game) It's just a feeling)

[waxen vale]

huh

[olive wraith]

I don’t understand

But okay

[low folio]

i kinda understand what he means, the thunderclap animations give a feeling of a sudden pause even if its basically the same buttons per minute

[spare steppe]

I know that was prior to the tier set nerf, haven’t checked if it stayed that way

[ashen pine]

Absolutely right!

[winter shoal]

I think the latest is that you hold for 2xMFE

I was testing with that and it felt kinda stinky tho compared to 1xMFE

Just on dummy tho

[olive wraith]

But you’re still doing other animations?

[olive wraith]

Oh big rip

[low folio]

its an interuption in the flow of the character, it can definitely appear slower but its not really slower

[obtuse burrow]

Kinda sounds like you thunderclapped yourself

[olive wraith]

I also feel like TB is more noticeable than the slayer procs

[low folio]

im just explaining what i believed the guy meant. the audio and visual aspect can definitely feel faster as slayer, with the reaping storm procs and bladestorm

[ashen pine]

Perfect description of the feeling when I press the button))

[low folio]

but i also prefer slayers playstyle so i am biased

[ashen pine]

You understood and described my thoughts absolutely correctly) That's exactly what I was trying to say) In terms of dynamics, Slayer looks faster)

[low folio]

the way things are, slayer fury will still be better than the previous versions of fury by a good amount, even if it doesnt end up the best option, its still gonna be not aweful

[ashen pine]

I would like to have M+ like at the start of the first season, when Slayer will look amazing)

[low folio]

i feel like a large part of that was because of odyns fury in season 1

but i dont remember all the nerfs they did to use in season 1

[iron portal]

Lots of nerfs were aimed around burst

A.k.a OF in seaseon 1

Every week was new nerf

[low folio]

ya i know they nerfed that into the ground

[lilac osprey]

thanks rashanan

[iron portal]

And queen

Cause of adds phase 1

[low folio]

finally had a usable Odyns fury again since legion and they smited it

well i guess season 3 of DF had a decent OF too

[edgy widget]

was also used in Season 1 of DF

[olive wraith]

It’s also usable now

Onslaught and smf are our only dead talents I think. Maybe massacre I’m not sure how much of a loss it is

[winter shoal]

I mean no talents are dps losses afaik

Just an opportunity cost

Massacre is omega shit tho

Ons is bad but not horrendous

Actually storm of steel might be a dps loss

[olive wraith]

I mean opportunity cost is still kind of a dps loss isn’t it. Either way those talents are relatively weak so no point in trying to make them work

[winter shoal]

I mean not necessarily, as long as something is gained

You could say meat cleaver/imp ww are a dps loss because in some sense they are

But they're also a gain in another sense

You could argue that massacre is a gain from 35-0 which may be meaningful in some contexts; currently it probably isn't, but it could be

[olive wraith]

So it’s currently a loss to take it

[winter shoal]

Relative to another t2 talent yeah, but that overall loss may be worth the extra 35-0 dam in some contexts (see ravager slarms from the start of this tier) - it probably isn't right now in the case of fury massacre, but the concept still stands

[bitter palm]

is it possible to make a lvl 80 character on ptr

u know this shit surely

template is level 70 for w/e reason

[olive wraith]

For that to happen they’d need to make execute actually good to press without consuming mfe

[winter shoal]

why would I know lmao

I had the same question the other day tho and it doesn't look like it

[bitter palm]

sadge

[winter shoal]

Archi said in beta there was an npc who would level you from 70-80 but I didn't find one

[winter shoal]

I mean yeah I'm not saying it's good, just that an overall loss is sometimes worth it in specific cases

[storm birch]

the strat for PTR rn seems to be to get out dornogal asap. FYI

[olive wraith]

I can’t think of a single case in the last 2 expansions where fury would talent massacre

[bitter palm]

ye seems like

there is no way

this is like

prime blizzard moment

lets make something

thats annoying

for no reason

for the love of the game

literally

[olive wraith]

And this is just slayer we talking. sd is big dead for thane

[dense elbow]

That seems to be by design tho

I am suprised they havent turned SD to a Slayer only thing, at this point

[bitter palm]

idk i like the fact fury isnt shoehorned

into last 35/20

thats arms

[dense elbow]

Speaking of arms, that rework idea, even had me going - ye, I would like to try to play that

As is, I dont enjoy arms at all

[fleet pasture]

which rework idea?

[olive wraith]

Oh ya totally. This convo just initially started by talking about talents that were dps loss

[dense elbow]

Oh? Odyns Fury

[olive wraith]

Kek isn’t it relatively neutral

[bitter palm]

legion on steroids

[dense elbow]

It is at best seens as a "gain on AoE in this one scenario" and not in any practical scenario

The SD actually slapping had me go "hold on, now you got my interest"

100% crit, not 25% or 50%, silly shit

but just "it crits now"

Man, I love that shit

[bitter palm]

my favorite part is having actual choice

in the tree

ok we can go this comp i will just switch to funnel/st

oh we have funnel ok i go aoe

[remote bobcat]

only took 10 weeks

clueless~1

[bitter palm]

and exe is core on both hero talents

[bitter palm]

fyralath ahh

[dense elbow]

https://youtu.be/64cMviSwEKk?t=7079

it can be found in here

[fleet pasture]

thanks

gonna give it a watch

[dense elbow]

Enjoy, it is a good one

[bitter palm]

https://imgur.com/a/arms-rework-idea-by-cone-walhe-TMLL2qY

if u want to read it yourself

crit missed a bit

[olive wraith]

Please give funnel

Being baby funnel isn’t enough in today’s m+

[dense elbow]

You dont want crit going "ok, so how would this work... wait, let me read on. Ok, so how does this work... wait, let me read on. Ok..."

It is half the experience

[dense elbow]

[bitter palm]

real funnel

[dense elbow]

That do be real funnel

[bitter palm]

might be a bit strong

3rd boss pulling the little bees

on top of boss

[olive wraith]

Ye we were talking about meat cleaver doing something similar yesterday

[dense elbow]

A bit, just a bit

but it is a fun idea

[bitter palm]

idk if it would even be that strong

i remember havoc

doing 3x my damage

early season

funny funnel

[bitter palm]

meat cleaver as capstone

softcap after 5

uncapped cleave

fuck it we ball

[olive wraith]

Nah if it funneled I’d take hard cap still

[dense elbow]

I personally liked the idea of MC when consumed per stack grants up to 4x %dam buff for WW

Sounded perfect for Fury gameplay loop

ww, 1,2,3,4, big ww, 1,2,3,4, big ww. Sure it shoehorns in the 1234, but that is core Fury gameplay in my book

[olive wraith]

I think it’s healthy for funnel to be hard capped

Actual incentive for diff damage niches

[dense elbow]

I mean, they could just add a "stacks up to 10 times" to that funnel debuff

If we talking the "Rot in Steel"

[olive wraith]

Ooh ya that’s pretty fair

[dense elbow]

A cap tho, yeah - that is prob very smart to have immedialty out the door

Dont want ppl to pull 90 mobs, and oneshot stuff

[south kayak]

Hello

[dense elbow]

Hoy, I honestly liked that cook

it was a good cook

like a solid cheezeburger

[south kayak]

[dense elbow]

simple, but great

[south kayak]

@bitter palm thoughts on this idea

[chilly fractal]

You got bacon on that

And what kinda cheese

[dense elbow]

Bacon would be OF flat dam buff through TR, so no - cheeze? Jarlsberg.

[south kayak]

I think thunderous roar should be deleted

[chilly fractal]

Replace with AA

Alcoholics Anonymous or Ancient Aftershock

[dense elbow]

I am both for and against it, problem is, I dont know why I would be against it. It is just clunk to throw infront of OF and BS

Prob just force of habbit reason, I like it being there, cause it always been there.

[bitter palm]

what idea

im doing like 4 thinks at once atm

[south kayak]

I had this idea for a talent that increased the damage of WW by a certain % if you used up cleave stacks

Stacking up to 4

[bitter palm]

ye me and walhe thought of something similar

also

pre legion

no rampage

bt and exe spend rage

rb to gen rage on st

ww on aoe or smth

[fading sky]

Aa with first strike capstone🥰

[south kayak]

I liked the arms doc thing but it seems too overtuned lol

The numbers

[bitter palm]

numbers are placeholder

[south kayak]

Fair

[dense elbow]

100% crit on SD is not placeholder, that is the dealbreaker

I hate "grants 50% crit" or so effects to my core

[fading sky]

Hear me out

[bitter palm]

ye those without numbers

are guaranteed

like martial prowess

sd ALWAYS crits

[fading sky]

100% crit any crit above 100% converted to crit dmg

[bitter palm]

so guillotine with SD will always crit

[south kayak]

Wait a second

Guillotine is basically Frostbane lol

[dense elbow]

Will always crit

[bitter palm]

idk what that is

[dense elbow]

[bitter palm]

frostbane

prolly some rider fdk

shit

i assume

[south kayak]

It’s a new frost dk talent for next season

[bitter palm]

ah

[orchid dagger]

I'm legit surprised we don't have multiclassing at this point

[south kayak]

Frost strike gets turned into an aoe button called frostbane that removes all razor ice stacks to deal way more damage

[dense elbow]

I pray they never open that box

multiclassing would be such a hell of a mess

[orchid dagger]

Especially now with how the current trees work

[gleaming siren]

All multiclassing does is create the expectation of always playing the optimal class/spec

moreso than it does now

[south kayak]

@bitter palm

[bitter palm]

ye and we cant have guillotine

[south kayak]

Don’t think they’ve had that idea for warrior

[dense elbow]

Dont remember, did guilotine have any Crit% dam effect with Crit as a stat? To make sure crit doesnt fall behind on value vs Mast/Vers

I vaguely remember a lot of make thing crit effects

[bitter palm]

we did everything to kill haste

[bitter palm]

mastery is only deep wounds

[jolly marten]

wtf still no balance changes?

[dense elbow]

Nope, nothing yet

Careful what you wish for tho

We might get nerfed, because the lols

[olive wraith]

Today surely

Between the hundreds of mists updates

[dense elbow]

All I want to see is another bump for BS, maybe swap from RB to exe for slayer (4), and a tiny small 60-90% buff for OF

Is that too much to ask?

Nah, it isnt

[south kayak]

Swapping rb to rampage is better imo

[orchid dagger]

Yes it is

[olive wraith]

I’d take an aura

[south kayak]

A tiny “small” buff of 60 to 90%

[dense elbow]

Thing is, aurabuff doesnt solve any issues. We need a tad more AoE DPS, especially Slayer. And BS buffs fix that.

Fury overall need more AoE tools, OF is just that.

[brittle crow]

small loan of a million buff

[south kayak]

[dense elbow]

You guys know how much DPS in your profile OF does atm?

on the PTR

[south kayak]

They’re taking it away on raid release, plus interest

[brittle crow]

sorry funky we did more dps to adds than ret pally in nerubar week 1 so odyns is never allowed to be good again

unlucky!

[dense elbow]

4%, is the answer

it can easily take a 60% buff, and more likely a 90% and it will just be in a decent spot

Ofc, it will be a "must take", and that is 'problematic'

[spare steppe]

And WW was too strong hitting 8 spiders

[dense elbow]

But hey - powerful signature ability

[south kayak]

I understand you guys are pissed but you’re really underestimating how strong fury was in nerubar during the first week

[olive wraith]

Ya but all of your changes only help slayer

[south kayak]

Acting like we just got shot for no reason whatsoever

Come on

[dense elbow]

Nah, OF is both

But yes - I said that slayer needs more help than Thane on AoE

I stand by that 100%

[olive wraith]

Gimme that 12% aura that Fdk dropped

[dense elbow]

Aurabuffs doesnt solve problems in the profile tho. Well, not in a manner that makes sense to do.

[dense sedge]

We due anymore tuning notes this week

[dense elbow]

Doubt that, all hands on deck for pandaland

[south kayak]

The same people doing pandaland aren’t the same ones for TWW

[bitter palm]

there are like

[south kayak]

That’s just cooked

[bitter palm]

7 people

doing pandaland

[dense elbow]

8 with the warrior dev

[bitter palm]

true

[outer talon]

7 people doing pandaland, all 7 of them were potential warrior devs

[dense elbow]

Want to know the worst part, I am not sure if you meant: 7 ppl, as in devs or players playing

Could be either

[outer talon]

Why not both?

[red berry]

they obviously wanted to distinguish two niches between hero classes so slayers AoE is always going to be behind thane. it could stand to be a little stronger but thats what it does, and another 15% to bladestorm isn't gonna really change the massive delta

id like a buff to cooldowns but ravager is probably never getting a buff and roar seems to remain where it is

which not that i'd say ravager needs it even if i think it tickles its balanced for what it is, especially now

[earnest canyon]

Do you guys really believe there is a guy solely responsible for balancing only warrior? I am not sure at this point lmao

[thick fossil]

The target cap gap is still going to be the big problem. We're still not the strongest at 5 targets to actually call it our niche.

[olive wraith]

Who’s beating us at 5t rn I legit don’t know

[red berry]

idk 10% to cleave was big

[olive wraith]

Outside of the giga overturned people

[red berry]

big enough to make us finally big in that niche i think

[gilded pawn]

Isn’t mm hunter also 5t

But is just broken rn

[opal zenith]

Wasn't it like 17 or 18% to ww cleave?

[gilded pawn]

So that’s the overtuned guy

[thick fossil]

Hunter is 6-8 now depending on how they spec.

Though I don't know if the talent that bumps it up to 9 drops it lower than 75% cleave.

[earnest canyon]

yeah but unlike warrior, you need to spec into AoE on MM, and even then, you need 3 targets minimum....you cant do 2 target dps unless you spec into that....and both gimp ST dps

and yeah light ammp is back, so 8T

[thick fossil]

They both spend the same amount of talent points to cleave.

We have two Whirlwind talents, they have trick shots.

[jolly marten]

@sudden tusk did a great video summarizing very well everything that went bad for warriors since DF

[dense elbow]

1st pull Workshop, I got kicked for doing too low AoE DPS

[jolly marten]

failed reworks, removed talents

[dense elbow]

If only we had a button that did AoE damage on mass amount of targets

if only!

[south kayak]

So the BM hunter didn’t get kicked

But you did?

[sour frigate]

[south kayak]

Interesting

[jolly marten]

probably died

[dense elbow]

I presume BM got removed as well

:v

[sour frigate]

I repeat

Вайбослав — Yesterday at 23:06
becuz fuck fury aoe?
useless piece of garbage

[earnest canyon]

Yes but you need 3 targets min to activate trickshots which can be a pain in the ass

[south kayak]

What kind of weird ass group is this lol

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/justin-timberlake-snl-saturday-night-gif-26491818

[earnest canyon]

The super friends group

[dense sedge]

yeah trickshots is lame because of this

[thick fossil]

And when in the hell is there a shortage of targets in M+?

[dense elbow]

Some bosses

[dense sedge]

Yeah it does happen sometimes

[dense elbow]

Huge issue

[dense sedge]

firsy boss of priory

[dense elbow]

cant be played around either

well, sure it can, but ya know

huge issue

[earnest canyon]

some packs just get instagibbed, so you get trickshots up then nothing to use it on...or even too slow with trickshots

[jolly marten]

the thing that bothers me the most in blizz thinking is that they say "lets buff fdks 10-20% and see what happens" but with fury warriors they are super super cautious.. the tragedies that will fall on us if they buff OF 30-40% more

[dense elbow]

Hope ya meant to say 60-80%

[jolly marten]

you what? we alrdy reworked hunters but lets try on more time...

[dense elbow]

The 15% OF buffs is a spit in the face

every time

It tells you they try to make it the minimum required dam number, to be "almost viable, but not really"

[south kayak]

Are you serious

This literally happened in s1 and 2 for fury

They buffed the rotational abilities by like 50%

[jolly marten]

😄

[south kayak]

Mfs have gold fish memory

[jolly marten]

to be in the last 4 spots in m+ dps

[remote bobcat]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3hBctGduD6aaDR8ahjujK5

i cant break the 3.15m

[jolly marten]

they buffed our main abilities 30-40% to be among the worst dps

[south kayak]

Maybe in m+ but definitely not raid

Helped a lot there

[dense elbow]

Ye, thing is - we got two camps in here

raiders and M+'ers

It is why it is always team:
"its fine!"
vs
"its all doom!"

Guess I should add the 3rd camp:
"its all doom! even in raid (when it aint)!" side

[jolly marten]

maybe you forgot that after all the buffs they did an aura nerf... for reasons... cause it made sense.. cause they think wow warriors are doing super good... only to not do so good in the end even after the buffs

[jolly marten]

show me the warriors that were in the world first kills...

[dense elbow]

Pandela, no...

[south kayak]

What

[olive wraith]

Bahahaha

[dense elbow]

Keep to M+ if you gonna doom, I beg

[south kayak]

I can’t

[jolly marten]

come on we got benched by WW monks

[olive wraith]

Don’t think this is right either

[dense elbow]

Dont go for the raid

[jolly marten]

on important execute bosses

[south kayak]

They had 2 warriors on rwf

[jolly marten]

it was kinda decent but not so good as you all think

[south kayak]

Both tiers

[dense elbow]

Even I cant be on your side if you talk about the raid situation, please, go back!

[quiet breach]

fury warrior was literally the number 1 DPS on the charts in the first couple weeks of liberation of undermine lol

[south kayak]

Yeah, I’ll completely understand if you’re talking about M+

Raid isn’t it

[thick fossil]

They just need to give us tools we'd use in M+ and not Raid. You know, so we have more than 1 build for different things.

[quiet breach]

we ended up being balanced out by the fact our tier set sucked donkey dick this tier

[south kayak]

Even funky knows not to touch the raid thing lol

[dense elbow]

Cause I agree we are fine in the raid

'-'

I never said anything different

[quiet breach]

and RWF raiders all have 4set asap because they do 30 splits per week lol

[south kayak]

I know

[dense elbow]

I know some apes come in here and say I do

but I dont

[south kayak]

I know you don’t

You’ve been consistent there

[dense elbow]

I dont say that

trust me

[olive wraith]

Funky only dooms about slayer keys

[dense elbow]

99.9% of all doom is just that

[south kayak]

Yeah lmao

Slayer keys and OF

[dense elbow]

some ppl know

[olive wraith]

OF is just the biggest tool they could give us to bandaid problem fix

[thick fossil]

We're ok in raid, but it's not hard to just upcap some things to make it more of an even playing field in M+.

[jolly marten]

as i said we were good in raid.. but no WW good

[south kayak]

OF was only giga strong when it was literally the only aoe button we had back in Legion but now we have more choices and cds

[dense elbow]

throw an extra 0 behind that dam amp

[south kayak]

30% is good enough

[dense elbow]

It really isnt

[south kayak]

100% is crazy lol

[dense elbow]

what is 30% on 4% dam

[thick fossil]

The rework of Titan's torment was also a kick in the junk.

[olive wraith]

Didn’t s1 have 2 warriors in rwf

[south kayak]

I’m assuming Of also gets a buff

[dense elbow]

Oh, fair, I rather have more power into the node tho

[worn yoke]

i wish we could get a season of slayer keys with Reap the Storm juiced to the moon to bandaid our awful aoe. Way higher proc rates to the point you get a proc on almost every BT / RB when hitting 5+ targets.

[dense elbow]

I am a big fan of power through investment

[south kayak]

2nd too iirc

[spare steppe]

That’s cause it’s already over

[dense elbow]

Nah, there is hope

I can see another cheeky buff from blizz

A tiny 15% BS bump, a delcious little make (4) cleave work for reap

[olive wraith]

That’s fine if you make thane the primary raid spec

I want to play both hero tree

[south kayak]

I think slayer could be really good for m+ if reap always proced on aoe

[sour frigate]

OF damage increased 75% or no balls

[dense elbow]

My goal is that you can play both as well, and currenly you can - but Thane just being 15% stronger on AoE isnt fun

[dense elbow]

you know they got no balls

I dare them to do it

double dare

tripple dare

[sour frigate]

[south kayak]

120% OF buff

Classic

[worn yoke]

agree, reap proc chance should be base 33% and have it recoded so the chance is additive per target hit with a bloodthirst

[olive wraith]

You’ll get 5% more to ww and you’ll enjoy it

[dense elbow]

I think 8-9% overall is a nice spot to have OF for keys, with tons of AoE

[south kayak]

Agree

[worn yoke]

oh and they should __absolutely __let unhinged procs cleave via sweeping strikes / meat cleaver and use stacks appropriately

[sour frigate]

Also OF can proc a reap

[dense elbow]

Please no

[south kayak]

They decided to make it a ST tuning knob

[olive wraith]

Also jumping can proc a reap

[south kayak]

OF procs reap on every target

[sour frigate]

iconic aoe ability

[dense elbow]

"reap"

[sour frigate]

even capped lightning does more

[south kayak]

8 targets = 8 reaps

[dense elbow]

[sour frigate]

20 targets = game dead

[inland flame]

Rework OF talents and make the free enrage baseline, Blizzard I beg.

[olive wraith]

I mean you also cast TB way more than of

[worn yoke]

remember that torghast power where you got a free whirlwind on rampage casts... Give us that shit blizzard dont be scared

[sour frigate]

and have another dead capstone yet again

[dense elbow]

Without the QoL from TR, even I wouldnt take it

[stone lava]

Where the fricken PTR notes 💀💀💀💀

[olive wraith]

Both of caps are bad

[sour frigate]

Yes.

[south kayak]

Dancing blades is cooked

[inland flame]

I just think part of OF feeling good should auto include feeling like you get to get right to doing dam

[worn yoke]

mage and ret changes only.

[dense elbow]

DB was stupid since the get go

[sour frigate]

Just make dfs3 set a capstone

Profit

[bitter palm]

real

or more aoe dam

[olive wraith]

?

[sour frigate]

And the aberrus one onslaught capstone

[dense elbow]

Dont make OF just a hurricane Jr effect

[south kayak]

DB would have been fine if our auto attack damage wasn’t literally trash but it’s also boring

[dense elbow]

I beg

you guys turning OF into a press OF to do damage with other abilties

that is a big nono

[worn yoke]

ha replied to wrong thing sorry chat moving too fast, was memeing on patch notes

[sour frigate]

As i said

[dense elbow]

Press the button, the button does the damage

[sour frigate]

Make fury combo class

[bitter palm]

also true

bs should be baseline

no talenting into it

it just fucks

no talents nothing

u press it on aoe it fucks

[dense elbow]

Go on

[worn yoke]

cook king

[iron portal]

You press

PAcks delete

[bitter palm]

like sl arms

[inland flame]

Opening with it just feels good man idk

[sour frigate]

Sl arms

[bitter palm]

ava wb aftershock

bladestorm

[sour frigate]

Fury has bigger burst with bs in sl

[dense elbow]

press button, button do dam

[bitter palm]

nf eb arms

best iteration of arms since legion

nf eb arms mogs current arms

[worn yoke]

we should be able to charge > OF> bladestorm, and everything dies before anyone else can do any damage IN MY HUMBLE OPINION

[bitter palm]

so hard

in everything

[sour frigate]

I played

And

[bitter palm]

i do decent on trash

pull boss

[dense elbow]

in HC dungs and low M+ keys*

[bitter palm]

i gap everyone

peak

am arms

am ruined arms

[worn yoke]

ah yes, the most important content in the game.

[bitter palm]

am ruined fury

make reck 1min

remove am

[inland flame]

Also make every fight Rash and Ovi k thx

[bitter palm]

give fury battle cry

back

fuck reck

fuck ava

my humble opinion

[dense elbow]

100% crit you say?

Go on

[worn yoke]

AM made our cooldowns feel necessary and not special

[undone flower]

30sec*

[bitter palm]

45s

but its battle cry

[sour frigate]

Make warrior.

[bitter palm]

not 20% crit chance and some rage gen which we already have too much of anyway

[undone flower]

Battle shout off gcd

[dense elbow]

(and 20% dam from Ava)

[bitter palm]

no cd battle shout

best change on ptr

so far

this expac

[worn yoke]

100% rage gen during reck so we can just back to back rampage while its active would unironically make recklessness feel kinda awesome

[undone flower]

I want to macro battle shout to every ability

[sour frigate]

Anyway fuck wow

[bitter palm]

we have that and u dont do that anyway

[dense elbow]

Man, I love dornagal and SW, everyone go
AAAAAAAAARgggH!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH

[bitter palm]

• it just makes ramp weaker

[dense elbow]

AaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarGh!

[sudden tusk]

woo ty

[sullen dove]

me when making up stories

bm 4mil dps

[sour glacier]

I need help. I know Stat priority but when should I stop focusing on mastery or haste, as in diminishing returns to keep investing in

[olive wraith]

We use sims to tell us what’s good

[wintry smelt]

Sim knows all

[charred estuary]

What % ap buff would odyns fury need In order to take it in mountain thane

[wintry smelt]

ALL HAIL THE SIM

[charred estuary]

I feel like it would need a lot

[dense elbow]

me when you dont play Fury or the game, and thus believe things that happen is makebelieve, also me when I troll to troll

[sullen dove]

play both plenty

[dense elbow]

It just needs to be more valuable than any other GCD not only the press, but the talent cost of taking it. Lets say you drop two VC, so OF in a fight must do more accumulated value than two VC total value and the GCD cost, then add in that OF wont always be optimal to cast - while BT is still sent...

Hard to say what value is the breakpoint - but you can safely throw in a giga buff and then trim it back down by chunks of 3%, as needed.

[dense elbow]

[quiet breach]

thunder blast avatar thunder blast type beat

[winter shoal]

That's a misplay unless the first TB there was using your ionizing proc

[sullen dove]

porque munch a whole tb

[winter shoal]

The proc is slightly delayed so if you ava off gcd you're potentially overcapping TBs

Yeah

[sullen dove]

well u still lose a charge anyway no

[winter shoal]

I'm not spanishman but porque = because right

[quiet breach]

I don't understand

[winter shoal]

por que with a space is why

?

[quiet breach]

if u have 1 TB charge and avatar up

u use the TB charge first, then u avatar

why is that bad

[winter shoal]

TB > wait to see if you get a reset > ava if you didn't

[dense elbow]

que?

[sullen dove]

[quiet breach]

oh are u talking about new season only?

[winter shoal]

If you TB > ava off gcd you could potentially munch a TB reset

Yea

ionizing isn't a thing on live

[quiet breach]

oh ok so TB ava TB on live is fine

[winter shoal]

YEs

[dense elbow]

I think everyone in here is locked into PTR only mentality

[winter shoal]

Not shit to do on live

[quiet breach]

I have not touched ptr been using the late season time for boosting and alt

[dense elbow]

you can get declined from keys?

that is fun

[winter shoal]

[winter shoal]

Yeah you and everyone else who feels inclined to offer their opinions on a spec they haven't actually played themselves

[quiet breach]

how long do u have to wait

[dense elbow]

Then we can promise you this: you got something nice to look foward to when it launches! :D

[sullen dove]

my time gonna be ruff now that I’m neck deep in leveling mop

[winter shoal]

half a gcd or so, about the same as opportunist

[quiet breach]

dafuq I wasn't talking about PTR when I made my TB ava TB comment

that was you assuming my guy

[winter shoal]

I wasn't @ing you directly

I was @ing this channel for the last 2 weeks

[dense elbow]

To b fair, you did directly reply to his comment

[winter shoal]

Shh

[dense elbow]

k

[quiet breach]

my comment was about the dopamine hit of using TB ava TB is similar to the dopamine of double rampaging

[winter shoal]

Tier list andys got me about to commit a war crime (ingame)

[dense elbow]

Did you guys see the new one? We are now S tier

[sullen dove]

double rampaging not as common since stopped using ravager most of the time

thane ish but like other buttons to hit on thane than ramp twice on a row

df was big double rampage tho

[winter shoal]

Live or ptr?

BT > ramp in aoe on ptr

So you probably don't want to double ramp anyways

[sullen dove]

yea the situation is just less common than it used to be

You would like fiend for those in df

when not playing RA

[dense elbow]

I was about to give you the ?

[sullen dove]

and happened like every time u threw down ravager

[winter shoal]

RA 🤮

[sullen dove]

ra is peak

[dense elbow]

RA, when you bind bloodbath and rampage to one button

[winter shoal]

df s2 double ramp was the sauce tho

[dense elbow]

[olive wraith]

Rip RA

[dense elbow]

I dont miss that RA, but I do hope they make RA as it stands into a true CD - that isnt clunky, weird and... I dont know, somehow unfun.

Just make RA an Avatar on steroids

[sullen dove]

make ra s3 df

[dense elbow]

+100% damage, 100% crit, and you /y WHO IS BOTTOM DPS NOW, HUH? on each press

[olive wraith]

Ya they would have to absolutely crank up the numbers on bb and cb

[sullen dove]

turbo buff next like 8 abilities after u hit avatar

500% more dmg to them

[dense elbow]

Problem is that it doesnt buff exe or Rampage

it is so damned clunky

[sullen dove]

omega burst

while I still prefer the ra of “your abilities always turn into cb/bb” over am generally

the ra where it’s just your cds are omega burst is the best

which I mean I think was just cuz of tier set it was still a constant RA in s3

[dense elbow]

Just have RA give us 100% crit, any excess crit is turned into crit dam for the duration

[olive wraith]

Man that gameplay was a blast

[dense elbow]

big dam

[quiet breach]

big bowl when I was doing gally prog u told me BT > ramp in aoe cuz of reap and u said reap isn't as strong next season

so now I am confused

[quiet breach]

@winter shoal

[winter shoal]

BT is still above ramp in aoe

[sullen dove]

🪓

reap maybe not as strong because thane mollywhops aoe now?

[dense elbow]

Why did you say that tho?

[winter shoal]

I mean BT is above ramp in aoe for both specs

[sullen dove]

yuh

[winter shoal]

I think silm said the target count went back up to 5 from 4 for slayer

Bc RB got comparatively stronger

But it's still true

And let's be real, who's actually counting the targets

[dense elbow]

In my head I just press RB if in doubt, and BT if I feel to be disapointed by it not proccing

I hate reap

[sullen dove]

call me hakari I be gambling reaps on 2 targets

goes hard

[winter shoal]

Same

[sullen dove]

gally prolly worst fight for reap diffs

adds last 5 seconds

proc or gg

otherwise procs are meaningless

[dense elbow]

Just pray to the RNG gods, that 20% hits multiple times

o7

What even is the chance BS reaps all the way to the bank and also crits?

I have no idea, and I dont want to know

depression only down that road

[sullen dove]

what reap all 3-4 bts?

[dense elbow]

And have em crit

[sullen dove]

crit is whatever they need to actually happen

[dense elbow]

It aint whatever when we talking the varriance, or potential dam swings

[sullen dove]

you will never see 4 reaps crit every time in 5 mobs that’s way more likely to be fine averaging out

u just need the shit to proc

[winter shoal]

Probably something like (1 - (0.2 ^ n)) * (crit_chance) or somthing like that

[dense elbow]

I hope that evens out to more than 50%

[sullen dove]

yea like

1% maybe

what

[winter shoal]

reap is 67% proc chance on 5t iirc

[dense elbow]

Not with BS, as it doesnt cleave

[sullen dove]

yea not during bs tho cuz devs cringe nerfing unhinged

[winter shoal]

Been a minute since I took stats 1 tho so I could be cooked

[sullen dove]

it’s a w if u get even 2 reaps in a bs nothin to consider about crit rng

[dense elbow]

C3PO doing the maths of the odds here

[sullen dove]

can just say the same for critting on bs fully

[dense elbow]

that is another layer

I wont disagree

[winter shoal]

All I remember from stats class is we had a grad student teacher one day and he put his calculator on the projector and someone was like "wow you have the [whatever calculator] that's a discontinued model" and bro goes "I'm sure that's cool to someone"

[dense elbow]

but reap swings are huuuuuge

[sullen dove]

yea just reap proccing is the bigger concern since crit% usually much higher than 20%

[earnest canyon]

Please don't do maths in here, it makes me feel physically sick

[dense elbow]

BS is always hits, sometimes crit. Reap is sometimes hit, sometimes crit.

It is just another layer of fuck you RNG

not a fan

[winter shoal]

@dense elbow reap proc chance on 5t is 1 - P(X<1) here

Idk if it rolls crits individually or once, but probably once

[dense elbow]

So that is what 32.77% chance right?

Riiiight?

[winter shoal]

1-that

[dense elbow]

ye

[winter shoal]

So 67.23%

[dense elbow]

Man I love probability

[winter shoal]

On 4t it's 59%

[dense elbow]

especially when I dont reap thrice in a row

Probabilty! Always fun

[sullen dove]

67 is on the far more generous side than normal

Aren’t tbs still 35% no matter target count

[dense elbow]

Just make reap 100% on 5t, we got the technology

[winter shoal]

Ya

[sullen dove]

imagine just not getting a tb after 5 bts

insta buxt

[dense elbow]

Yeah, but at least TB does damage that you control

[sullen dove]

I mean u don’t control its proc

and if the proc procs on itself

[dense elbow]

would I mind if Reap was detonated on my next empowered execute press? Not as much

[sullen dove]

to do double the dmg

[dense elbow]

It is just that instant feedback of "nope, no damage for you, be a bottomfeeder you scrub! Better luck next time!" every press, that drives me insane

And when you reap, it is more a "well that did nothing", on top.

So it is just L/L

Blast, especially the tierset blast, is a "Oh here we go, BLAST!", that is a W

They can make slayer (4) into a big W too, tho

by making the reap bound to SD proc at a 100% chance

Then SD becomes that "Oh here we go, BLAST!" moment

instead of a random 20% on sodding RB

[sullen dove]

it kind of is insane blast on st

but two different specs being massive on aoe is eh

Gotta have their niches

[dense elbow]

I am talking about making (4) slayer fun tho

[sullen dove]

if slayer is as good on aoe and way better on st u just never play thane

[dense elbow]

You dont find the (4) RB thing fun?

[sullen dove]

I mean it’s some extra reaps not rly a big deal

Think it said stronger reaps too but yea I doubt there’s any extra visuals

[dense elbow]

Yep, but when you package effects to that press

it starts to become a "Hell yeah!" moment

[sullen dove]

the 2 I think more than enough hell yeah

[midnight sierra]

Will we ever be able to transmog tfury or glaives as 2handers

[sullen dove]

twice as many slayers strikes feedback looping into more sudden death already way more bladestorm

[sullen dove]

glaives hell naw

[dense elbow]

Sadly not, no Nelf mog for you

[midnight sierra]

well they’re still classified as swords so I’m coping

[sullen dove]

Can get 2 bladestorm in 20-25 seconds with moderately good rng I think

I already almost do on sprocket pure st

[dense elbow]

Yep, and I dont find that particulary fun

[plush maple]

We wish, been asking for it for years

[dense elbow]

More BS =/= more fun BS

I rather take more powerful BS, than more casts

same stance as I got with most things

[midnight sierra]

or…. Single minded fury is meta

[dense elbow]

Dream on

[plush maple]

No way

[dense elbow]

your dream is my nightmare

[plush maple]

^

[midnight sierra]

What’s more likely

[sullen dove]

Crazy how mop classic smf is baseline and a 35% damage buff

[midnight sierra]

at this point

[dense elbow]

Mogs being unlocked for 2h for Fury

[midnight sierra]

Lmao yeah I think I’d have to agree

[plush maple]

At this point, majority of newer 2H that aren’t swords look like shit because of how far up you hold the weapon

I get it’s realistic because of weight distribution but looks like shit

[silk wharf]

we also don't change our grip where you would irl with large weapons. Closer to the end for more power and closer to the blade for more control.

[meager hound]

I mean, if you have the strength/ability to dual-wield 2H swords, then you would absolutely hold other weapons further down in order to impart more force into the axe/mace head.

Gripping it closer to the axe/mace head only makes sense if you're going to use two hands to swing it.

I don't see any reason why they can't have a second animation with warriors holding the weapons further down if you have a 2H in your OH slot.

[silk wharf]

I think it's purely technical with how they do graphic animations.

Everything has to be a standard.

Like I don't think daggers can be anything but daggers through mog still. And that seems simpler than 2h animations.

[worn yoke]

the 1h animations for fury are the same as 2h. just let fury be special and mog 2h / 1h surely

[midnight sierra]

this is the stuff we need to fight for

[earnest canyon]

We need to fight
For our right
To.....
Paaaaaarteeee

[undone flower]

Every other week I do the gamble on gally shield, praying rng is with me

[sullen dove]

what gamble

[undone flower]

Send 2 bs on the shield and still have one on the first adds

[sullen dove]

if u mean bs twice before adds nahhhhh

oh nawl

unless ur group kicking like last possible second

ours usually like at 25 or something idk

that’d need like omega slayers strikes I think

[undone flower]

Around 27 sec

Unless our tank took his pal

I think it is 30/70, and the 30 is most of the time : I don’t have bs right away but grab some pad

[west parcel]

how is fury looking guys

is it big boss dam

[winter shoal]

Strong but not meta, as per usual

[winter shoal]

In keys or raid?

[west parcel]

raid

[winter shoal]

I'd say probably top 1/3 or so

Some classes are massive outliers in single target rn tho

Actually maybe not idk now that idol was killed

Above average tho

[sullen dove]

gillick 🧎‍♂️

[bitter palm]

cowfarmers

👑 🧑‍🌾 🧎‍♂️

[sullen dove]

miss cowfarmers…

@dapper goblet Bring him back he liked you the most

[bitter palm]

i miss his most obscure discoveries

then spending 45 mins simming

to find out its 0.4% dps

[sullen dove]

🐄 🧑‍🌾 👑 🧎‍♂️

[bitter palm]

goat

[sullen dove]

bro was actually him

[bitter palm]

🐄 🧑‍🌾 👑 🧎‍♂️

[sullen dove]

99s every boss

[bitter palm]

writes his own apl

🐄 🧑‍🌾 👑 🧎‍♂️

[olive wraith]

Bring back roid the 16 nelth god

[winter shoal]

Is cowfarmers the random korean person who posts in here like twice a year with obscure APL questions

[bitter palm]

yes

[winter shoal]

My goat

[bitter palm]

goat indeed

[winter shoal]

Bro needs to fix their UI tho

Shit is crazy cluttered

[sullen dove]

wrong

he needs to pay attention to every single detail

every buff every proc

his mind works far beyond the comprehension of us mortals

[winter shoal]

Tmy told me he does this unironically

Built diff ig

[bitter palm]

ye he does

[sullen dove]

he is indeed thee john warrior

[bitter palm]

he tracks EVERYTHING

he tracks wild strikes in class tree

the aa speedup