fury

[radiant plank]

its big l2p issue

[fading sky]

Isnt current problem so many outlier specs

[midnight sierra]

There’s a difference between a discussion about it and ad hominem attacks

[olive wraith]

But fury is capped

[dense elbow]

Doesnt help, when people still see hunters do 30m, when we do 15m

[radiant plank]

2 outliers atm, frost dk and mm hunt

[dense elbow]

The impression is still there

[radiant plank]

fury can easily compete and beat the rest

[brittle crow]

except fdk and mm

xd

[radiant plank]

Especially in streets, eko dome

[winter shoal]

Idk if you think that your spec has to be meta for it to be good idk what to tell you

[slim coral]

PTR down

surely warrior buffs

[dense elbow]

surely

[brittle crow]

they're fixing the proc so it doesn't reset cd actually

as predicted

[fading sky]

I mean ive played wsrrior since tbc

Ill doom

And keep playimg

[dense elbow]

Doomer gang

doom doom

[radiant plank]

Fury deserves to be nerfed with the amount of unintellectual echo chamber takes stolen from WR1500 CE content creatores being posted here

[fading sky]

Y buff arms

[fickle cedar]

delete arms

[dense elbow]

I am just waiting for Slayer tuning for M+, then I will decide to doom or not

[radiant plank]

You already got slayer tuning last week

[dense elbow]

Thane is looking great in my eyes

[winter shoal]

Real but then I'd have to play arms

[radiant plank]

bladestorm + ww dam

[radiant plank]

You would get to play my rendless slarms build

[dense elbow]

Yeah, would like to see a bump. Or rather, see them redo (4) to be more fun

but meh

[fickle cedar]

yeah once i saw the slayer set i was kinda excited for a slayer m+ season, back to for now

[dense elbow]

it will be what it is

I will continue doing keys as Slayer, while ppl beg me to go thane or arms

[winter shoal]

Say sike rn

[radiant plank]

Its real, ask @bitter palm

and best part, I saw dan beating mages and such in dungeons with that build

[winter shoal]

What about a cleave-less col build

[radiant plank]

non

[winter shoal]

thoughts?

[drowsy heron]

Just wish bs was better. Ravager has gotten really stale and weak

[winter shoal]

All bleeds all day

[radiant plank]

Already tried

its unplayable

[winter shoal]

bro they just buffed it

[radiant plank]

i fear

[fading sky]

Just wish rav was better

[drowsy heron]

Yes but bs is still only played with slayer

[vernal laurel]

Looking forward to getting Lust, Uncapped Meat Cleaver, Buffed Rallying Cry and massive buffs to Capstones

[drowsy heron]

[fading sky]

Heck id live with buffed rally❤️

[queen panther]

I look forward to actually using a “signature ability” that no one ever uses…… odyns fury

[dense elbow]

Doesnt matter, when they empowered the globals cast within ravager vs channel of BS

[radiant plank]

Inspiring presence my beloved 💔

[fading sky]

Fury will be good

[dense elbow]

I USE IT

[fickle cedar]

as long as we dont play spear again im happy

[dense elbow]

[queen panther]

I’m sorry for ur loss

[fading sky]

Fury will be good in raid and pretty good in m+

Like that sounds wonderfull

Would i prefer it to be arms prob. But fury isn fun

[vernal laurel]

You dont get it, Rallying cry sucks

[olive wraith]

I’ve got bad news

[fading sky]

Spear and thane is fun wdym

100% prefer spear, over horrid roar

[drowsy heron]

Spear can be annoying to use sometimes

[queen panther]

Ah yes the poop pole

[drowsy heron]

Lol poop pole

[olive wraith]

You know what’s more annoying?

Spending 3 talents to have 3% overall

[storm birch]

just give spear like a 3 sec longer duration i'll be happy 😄

[fading sky]

Spear could have better dmg itself

And 45 sec cd

[dense elbow]

Just bump OF damage by double, and I am happy

[fading sky]

KITTEH!

[queen panther]

Give me back titans torment and I’m happy

[fading sky]

U got it

[fickle cedar]

OF is gonna have to wait until midnight

[fading sky]

No

[dense elbow]

No, no old TT

shoo

[fading sky]

Tt killed of

[pine gust]

You press roar and nothing happens, gameplay

[queen panther]

TT is TT

[olive wraith]

Wish roar got buffs but it’s looking real bad

[dense elbow]

TT was linked to the value of OF; making OF as a standalone useless and dead

[fading sky]

❤️

[queen panther]

But like mooooore OF

[dense elbow]

TT was a double up of OF dam, off the GCD, and buffed OF 20% and gave OF a hurricane Jr effect. It was so toxic

[pine gust]

Imagine s1 Fury burst with S2 tank aggro issues

[fading sky]

Yup

Like it was fun

But obviously not possible to tune

[dense elbow]

Now they just got to decide what dam% of the profile they want OF to be at on AoE

Perhaps 5-6% is where they want it

could happen

[fading sky]

Yup

[fickle cedar]

they wont buff that until they figure out how to solve burst issues in raid

[dense elbow]

It aint an issue at all tho

at worst, make adds spawn in on a 30sec timer, instead of 45-50, and voila

solved

[edgy widget]

don't work that way

Also they already solved the burst problem by changing Titans Torment

[dense elbow]

People afraid that bumping OF up tho, will recreate that problem

[edgy widget]

But more over, OF is already usable with Slayer - it's not particularly amazing, but it is a gain in multitarget

It just doesn't fit very well for M+ Thane, because so many GCDs are filled with TB and you have to path through RB stuff that Thane doesn't really care as much about

[dense elbow]

Problem is, even if it is a minor gain, and in M+ it is arguably at best neutral. It isn't exactly something you want to bring. For the ability as a CD to be worth, it should do enough damage to have an impact.

[edgy widget]

a gain is a gain

[dense elbow]

I am certain in raid, there are fights where it is a gain

[olive wraith]

It’s better than roar

[dense elbow]

For what?

Not AoE dam, that is for sure

AoE burst? Sure, I can see that. But most things last long enough for roar to get full value

[edgy widget]

mmm not in raid they usually don't

but it doesn't matter since the two don't compete against one another anyway

[dense elbow]

I just hope they bump OF a solid 60%, so it feels impactful and great for M+, gives us more upfront blast damage - also helping to reduce the impression of "warrior bad, look at mass AoE" snippets.

[edgy widget]

Yeah you've been incessent about that for ages

it's also not going to happen - Thane just doesn't have room for OF atm; maybe in 12.0

[fading sky]

Slayer does

[sour tundra]

warrior doesn't even get put on a ranking, just says comp dependent

[edgy widget]

Yep, said that earlier - Slayer can use OF just fine, and it's not particularly amazing, but it is a multitarget gain

[summer quail]

speaking of 12.0, do you reckon we will get completely new hero specs then? as in they cycle them out

[edgy widget]

tier lists

[olive wraith]

Tier lists are bait

[fading sky]

Id love that

[median marsh]

gg!

[sour tundra]

[dense elbow]

I am suprised how every time it is a new tierlist, it is in a new format

[edgy widget]

they haven't announced, but speculation is either another hero or deepening the existing trees

[dense elbow]

how many tierlists can there be

where does it end?

[proper obsidian]

What website is that?

[olive wraith]

Can you make a tier list tier list please

[fading sky]

I rly want slayer to die

[dense elbow]

What, why?

[fading sky]

On arms

[summer quail]

yeah i know they haven't announced. i just like speculating, completely new hero specs for each expansion would be sick. i wouldn't be unhappy with deepening either tbf

[queen panther]

Imagine if they bring back glad stance 😂

[olive wraith]

Why

[fading sky]

On fury i love it😆

[dense elbow]

For me, Slayer is closer to what I want from Fury Warrior - than Thane. I dont want Slayer gone

[edgy widget]

good thing it's not going anywhere then

[dense elbow]

[fading sky]

5sec bladestorm that sends naked mortal strikes

[dense elbow]

I am a bit afraid that adding another hero option, will just make it really messy to balance

Suddenly we got a ST tree, hybrid tree, AoE tree? M+, PvP and Raid focus? Just three where one is good and rest is "ok"?

[queen panther]

Berserker hero tree solely based on single minded fury

😮

[dense elbow]

SMF hero talent tree, that is BiS on ST - so raiders gotta get em 1handers

hell yeah

[queen panther]

Hellll yeeeeh

Steel ur tanks 1 handers. Fuck em

[olive wraith]

Hard pass

I only wanna farm 2 weapon type pls

[fickle cedar]

no legendaries this expansion its joever

[dense elbow]

Just dont do M+, just raid

problem solved

[olive wraith]

I mainly m+

[dense elbow]

Just M+ then, and dont raid.

Solved

[fading sky]

Wdym cloak

Could give us jailor gavel kindda 2h

[queen panther]

[fading sky]

But u end up bein tuned around it

[dense elbow]

Another Legendary axe, that without it, you were shit-dog-piss-puddle-water

I rather skip

[fading sky]

Exactly

[dense elbow]

The giga effect legendary weapons, just doesnt work with modern WoW

[fading sky]

Coz with it we were mid

🤫

[dense elbow]

To be fair, the on-use hit as hard as a BT crit

was pretty good

[clever path]

Reroll guys, save your self another tier of fury being garbo on M+

[dense elbow]

Nah, I am good

but cya around Robe

[fading sky]

Jailor weapon was bigger leggo than leggo

[fading sky]

Thane is legit

[queen panther]

I can’t

Warrior to good

[clever path]

Me neither dammit

[chilly fractal]

Yea but I got the Legendary faster than I got Jailer mace

[oak peak]

Is the new cantrip 2-handed mace actually a dps increase? Or is it just a flavor thing?

[fickle cedar]

you're on dooming duty this week

[fading sky]

Cantrip always better

Just small

[oak peak]

What does it even do?

[sullen dove]

literally nothing

aoe loot

[dense elbow]

I still got this fading sliver of hope, it got some hidden effect on something that makes the effect cool

Maybe when you can turn the last boss into a pet

[queen panther]

Loot the jailers true plans from his body

[olive wraith]

Oh shit fury is so bad I can’t get 3k rating

Damn

[fading sky]

Capital punisher great name horrid cantrip

[oak peak]

Yeah thats why i was asking. Wasnt sure if it would do something on AoE fights with bodies or something

[dense elbow]

I hate these kind of "lol, why care it is fine" argument lines

They just seem so stupid to me

[fickle bluff]

not a rare item, full statted with free damage, good cantrip

[fading sky]

Nah

[vernal laurel]

Lots of those in here

[fading sky]

Beat by bis

Capital punisher!

[olive wraith]

Why. We are fine

[fading sky]

Better for game😅🤫

[vernal laurel]

Everything is fine

[fading sky]

But the name

[olive wraith]

I’m not getting title even if we were meta

[dense elbow]

Yep

I think it is because it is like a popular coolkid thing to do, to be against the grain. A countermove towards the dooming sphere. And we in the middle just got to deal with both camps

[fading sky]

I would totally

[inland flame]

I would get title every season if you just dq'd everyone that was in front of me

[olive wraith]

Idk seems like it’s equally popular to doom

[dense elbow]

That kinda be what I hinted at, yep.

You just on the other side of the pendelum

[vernal laurel]

Pretty much, I am pretty comfortable with the stance that we need som serious changes, and we should be vocal about them. But I am also aware that we are doing somewhat ok atm, its not all doom.

[fading sky]

I havent seen much fury doom, since buffs

[dense elbow]

After the recent changes, I got close to 0 doomium

[fading sky]

And buffs were significant

[dense elbow]

I just want the last tuning to be done, and all is good

[olive wraith]

There’s still a lot

[fading sky]

On arms

Not fury

[olive wraith]

On fury too

[fading sky]

Not on this server

[dense elbow]

I dunno, I see more "we are fine, bro" bros, than doomers lately

[olive wraith]

Yes there is haha

[drowsy heron]

Waiting for the day our AOE gets uncapped

[dense elbow]

No matter what ppl say, ppl come in hard "dont doom bro", even if the complaint is legit

[fading sky]

I dno man fury raids gonna be good//decent

And same in m+

[dense elbow]

Oh please, dont wake up the "fury need uncap" bros

[fading sky]

Good place to be

[vernal laurel]

Pretty much, you will get someone loudly dooming like once or twice, and then the "its fine" bros come in in droves and it basicly takes over the chat

[olive wraith]

Most doomer doom about something that isn’t really that bad

[inland flame]

Every time Crit streams PTR keys the doom comes back out lol

[fading sky]

Cap is not the issue

[fading sky]

I sae him fuck on thane?

[vernal laurel]

It is one of our issues

[dense elbow]

Usually, yeah. They go in about us needing to be uncapped, and that will "fix everything", when it is only a tuning issue in essence. We got the kit, it just needs to be sorted out. Blizz already given it some focus, and likely keep an eye on it as we speak

[fading sky]

Doing great st and respectable aoe

[fading sky]

No

[vernal laurel]

Yes

But agree to disagree

[fading sky]

M8

[olive wraith]

Are we close to top on 5t now

[dense elbow]

It is an issue, lets be real. How to solve it, got different lines.

[fading sky]

Ofc if we keep 65% and hit 8 targrt we meta

[olive wraith]

I assume Fdk and mm still beats us

[inland flame]

He keeps playing with MM and FDK and getting gapped and it makes people freak out. But he does go out of his way to say we're average rn.

[dense elbow]

FDK just keeps doing FDK things

[fading sky]

Saw him decently close and higher on st

[midnight sierra]

if we are capped we should be the top on 5T, straight up. Any class that is capped to 5T should be

[vernal laurel]

And we never have

Funny how that works

[midnight sierra]

It’s ridiculous

[raw magnet]

Give us 8 cleave for whirlwind

[olive wraith]

Only one class can be top 5t

[midnight sierra]

Carving us out a niche for us to not be the best at it is absurd

[fading sky]

We have had some of the best st with multi cleave

[raw magnet]

Meat cleaver

[fading sky]

Sev timed

In sl - df rais

Fyrakk

Tindral

[raw magnet]

Or make meat cleaver hit all but reduced dam post 5 ppl

[dense elbow]

I dont hate increasing the cap idea 100%. But I personally is more of a: Fix our AoE through our AoE kit, instead.

[fading sky]

No

[midnight sierra]

Well, marginally close to each other at the least

[fickle cedar]

we should be the arcane of melee imo

[vernal laurel]

Usually when talking about doing good damage on 5-targets, and uncapping in general we are talking about M+

That is the big pain point

[fading sky]

Our problem is of + roar is shit

[vernal laurel]

We are usually decent in raid

[dense elbow]

If you, for example, buff OF - then our weakness, mass AoE gets solved. Without touching meatcleaver.

[fading sky]

Thats the pain point

[midnight sierra]

Oh yeah it’s definitely a m+ problem

[dense elbow]

Hard not to be decent in the content the game is balanced around

[vernal laurel]

One of our pain points, I agree

[raw magnet]

I just dont like that arms regular cleave hits more targets. Arms should be the single target king and fury the aoe king

[drowsy heron]

i dont really see a reason why soft capping us at either 5-8 wouldnt be a great solution to the AoE problem

[sullen dove]

@young swan

[fading sky]

Like having meat cleaver capped is fine, base rotation we loose aoe coz ppl have way better big cds

[dense elbow]

I disagree, I dont mind if Arms does more sustained AoE, if Fury does more AoE burst.

[fading sky]

To dump into the aoe

[vernal laurel]

After thinking about it for a long while during the better part of 3 expansions, I agree

It would (For now at least) solve a big problem

[drowsy heron]

softcapping is a way better solution without things getting crazy out of hand. hell most AoE abilities in the game are soft capped

[midnight sierra]

12.0 OF and uncap. We ride for midnight

[raw magnet]

Hot take, make death wish a pve talent lol

[dense elbow]

That is a big L take, I would rather take death

I dont want to be balanced around that buff

[vernal laurel]

You can go all roundabout ways to solve this, making us great at 5-target, making our single target decent and so on. Just uncap us to 8 and call it a day before we get reworked

[raw magnet]

Death wish fun af

[queen panther]

Anyone else remember the days when roar wasn’t capped

[midnight sierra]

I loved death wish

[drowsy heron]

it also allows the niche of different AoE groups to still exist, without making those niches handicapped at other group sizes

[dense elbow]

It wont be fun when you get balanced around it.

[midnight sierra]

But I get it

[queen panther]

So it did insane amounts of aoe damage

[raw magnet]

The balance is the damage we take

[fading sky]

But ptr we are pretty grest at 5t atm

[raw magnet]

👍

[vernal laurel]

[dense elbow]

Not how this game works

[raw magnet]

Blizzard can't see the future

[drowsy heron]

I mean, at the end of the day, why hasnt blizzard at least TRIED increasing or soft capping Fury to test if out on PTR

[dense elbow]

Clearly you cant see everyone playing Fury Warrior, if that was implemented

[drowsy heron]

give the people hard evidence one way or the other

[dense elbow]

no DPS can compete with Fury with a 50% dam mod.

[fading sky]

Because only ret mains ask for this

[vernal laurel]

More like 90% of fury warriors

[fading sky]

They reduced our caps

Like

No

[drowsy heron]

idk, pretty sure every wow content creator and the fury community has been complaining about the target cap for at least 2 expansion now

[fading sky]

Nope

[raw magnet]

Sounds like a them problem

[vernal laurel]

Every warrior content creator even

[fading sky]

Nope

[dense elbow]

Sounds like a us problem, when we get balanced around it.

[fading sky]

Mm has cap of 2?

[raw magnet]

*insert response meme statement

[drowsy heron]

not just warrior content creators, The PoddyC and The Bench have talked about how the fury target cap has handicapped the class in M+. Not to mention every M+ Tier list i ever see

[dense elbow]

• Warrior now got deathwish, sacrefise 10% health to gain 10% damage for 10 sec, stacking up to 5 times
• Warrior now deals 33% less damage

[queen panther]

Isn’t that exactly what happen in DF?

[fading sky]

Roar was uncappee

[inland flame]

Bro what if we like

Just did more damage

[vernal laurel]

Yeah, I would in general though not trust outsiders (People who dont play warrior) as much as I would warrior content creators

[raw magnet]

Take out the balance, make fury sss tier

[fading sky]

Got to gopd capped and weak

Of same

[dense elbow]

OF needs to be uncapped, so it slams on AoE if nothing else

[drowsy heron]

For sure, its just funny cause EVERYONE has talked about it non-stop but blizzard just continues to ignore it

[raw magnet]

I loved sf s3 odyns fury set

[vernal laurel]

Surely we will just get a +40% damage buff today

[fading sky]

Also tb is 7 aint it?

Softcap

[raw magnet]

Imagine if odyns fury meat cleaver proc was uncapped

Just for those 4

[drowsy heron]

that set was VERY divisive, but i think it was mainly cause of the Annihilator playstyle. I personally hated it

[fading sky]

Why?

[dense elbow]

A neat idea, but would just make OF another Hurricane Jr effect

so I am against it

[vernal laurel]

I do find their non-communications approach to just make the problem worse on this. They should just state their intentions sourrounding the hard-cap and set goals that can be achieved/failed and then evaluated

[fluid pollen]

Guys, I’ve been away for about a week on a work trip. Are we still happy fury warriors going into s3?

[inland flame]

Gods the debates about which tier set bonus to vote for for DF S4

What a great meme

[dense elbow]

Press the button, the button does the damage. My core tenant.

[fading sky]

Yup

[vernal laurel]

Its 5 no?

[olive wraith]

Mixed bag

[earnest canyon]

Hurricane Jr is my cat's name

[dense elbow]

🐱

[earnest canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-spin-cat-spin-hotseventyfive-poopy-gif-15634373525934554852

[drowsy heron]

too smart of a thing to do

[fading sky]

Anyways if u want more targrts

[queen panther]

Me no brain power me Ugg

[raw magnet]

More importantly I want intervene spell reflect to be a thing

[fading sky]

Our st has to suck

[raw magnet]

Big utility

[dense elbow]

Far too strong for PvP

[raw magnet]

And also skilled gameplay

[dense elbow]

aint happening

[brittle crow]

i want kong bananza on fury warrior

[fluid pollen]

Spell reflect is alrdy op

[vernal laurel]

Thats the problem, there is a lot of specs with great soft capped damage that also does great ST. Why cant warrior do that as well?

[raw magnet]

It would have big big utility in m+, but also pvp SHOULD have it

[inland flame]

Yea on like 1 boss every 3 seasons

[fading sky]

Which ones

[olive wraith]

Only if we can okay the zebra Bananza song

[fluid pollen]

Nah it’s saved me many times in dungeons when healer was struggling

[earnest canyon]

That reminds me of what my friend Amir always says

[olive wraith]

It’s one of the best defensive

[raw magnet]

It is good for specific circumstances in m+ as tank that make it really good. In raid it is mostly just a dr

[dense elbow]

It's not that we cant, it is theoretically possible to make us softcapped on MC. But, by doing so, you change our damage profile.

We got a part of the profile that is supposed to handle the gap in mass AoE, while MC functions as a baseline that is directly connected to our (usually) strong ST performance.

It is just a unique way that the class works

[inland flame]

Ya it's a good defensive but what makes it strong is getting an actual reflect off, which doesn't happen in a big way often. I don't tank so I don't interact with big reflects often but it doesn't feel like they happen often.

[queen panther]

I just wanna know why BS is capped at 8 targets, just a weird number if u ask me

[fading sky]

No?

20% dmg reduction

[vernal laurel]

Currently (This obviously changes over time), BM Hunter, Shadow Priest, Frost DK, Fire Mage, Demo wlock and so on

[olive wraith]

What makes it strong is it’s a reliable magi dr

[dense elbow]

Who knows.

[fading sky]

With dstsnce

[olive wraith]

Reflect is a bonus

[inland flame]

I will give you that little stuff like chilling in tornadoes on the candle boss is nice tho. Like it's not like I don't like it.

[fading sky]

Those are outlier overtuned specs

[brittle crow]

my ass is so close to switching to the dk profile picture gang but idk which dk pic id pick and im worried ill get kicked out of the anime pfp cabal

[raw magnet]

I thought bladestorm is only softcapped

[vernal laurel]

All of those will get some kind of nerfs and still gap us, that is a problem

[dense elbow]

capped, means softcapped, in context

[raw magnet]

K

[fading sky]

No

[raw magnet]

Bladestorm is softcapped cuz the bodies are getting in the way

Lore reason

:p

[queen panther]

Just let me spin harder

[raw magnet]

The bodies will get in the way harder

[dense elbow]

BS should do reduced damage per target, starting at 1%, 4%, 40%, 80% and finally 100%. As you lose momentum

[queen panther]

Bigger weapons

[raw magnet]

Lemme bladestorm as prot warrior, omnidirectional blocking

[vernal laurel]

Yeah, and I just think that it is problematic. Dont get me wrong I love how Fury plays, but this profile has always bugged me due to it never being particularly great at what its supposed to do

[dense elbow]

Luckilly, blizz is currently helping us with tuning to address that

On the PTR it feels to be in a pretty decent spot

Slayer in particular needs a small bump, but after that it is all good

[queen panther]

Just bigger weapons, take the problems with you. Zug zug

[raw magnet]

If they arent going to give fury utility then they should make us near top damage

[fading sky]

M8 5% ap buff

[raw magnet]

Everyone in the raid gets it tho

Unless they add it to their remove Aug evoker buff macro

[fading sky]

Exactly?

[dense elbow]

lets ask them to buff AP shout to 12%

[olive wraith]

Shockwave is a damn good stop

[vernal laurel]

Utility would be the big outlier. Dont feel like I am contributing much atm in M+ except for Battle shout and a decent aoe stop

[dense elbow]

(for Arms and prot)

[fading sky]

U bring 5% dmg

[winter shoal]

Colossus shockwave is the best aoe stop in the game

[fading sky]

Yup

[dense elbow]

Do we really need more than a 13sec interupt and an AoE/ST stop?

Would be nice if all warriors could get knockup wave tho

as it is huge

[queen panther]

Gimme banner damn it

[raw magnet]

Couple other classes have aoe stuns

[vernal laurel]

I would argue yes, its really not enough to just bring a stun utility wise. Battle shout is literally the only thing keeping us afloat

And that should not be the case

[raw magnet]

Monk, dh

[dense elbow]

I kinda disagree, if we got well tuned dam, we bring enough - more than enough

so wanting more utility, just means we should do less damage to balance things around

remember - we are functionally immortal DPS

[queen panther]

Shiiit if they made shockwave like ancient shock or whatever it was called back in SL

That would be cool

[vernal laurel]

As a rule yes, but its obviously not applied to classes such as Dk, Dh, mages, priests and so on

[dense elbow]

In the 18s I do, I tell people to not interupt spells on me, even if I dont have SR up - as I can easily absorb them. That is utility that isnt used by most.

[olive wraith]

How long are their cooldowns

[raw magnet]

Monk also has other utility as does dh that is of more value. Like monkey has ring of peace, transcendence for raid engagements, can take a casted sleep gas i think

[raw magnet]

I think monk is 50 seconds and dont remember dh

[inland flame]

Monk is 1m I know off the top of my head

[raw magnet]

But also I think monk lasts a second longer iirc

[raw magnet]

Pr sure there are talents to reduce time

To 50

Dh I think is less

[olive wraith]

Length of the stun isn’t as important

[vernal laurel]

Spell reflect is nice to have!

[dense elbow]

It is, but we can absorb spells even without it

we are tanky af

[raw magnet]

Oh yeah ecoker has mass stun but on a 1min cd as dev i think, but also two knocks and root and i believe deenrage

[queen panther]

Stonks

[vernal laurel]

But nice to have does not really cut it. Rally cry at the very least actually needs to be buffed

[inland flame]

Yeah Sweep is 50s.

[vernal laurel]

Like, its not even worth it to consider it into a defensive rotation in most keys

[queen panther]

Chaos nova is like 30-45 seconds somewhere around there no?

[fading sky]

Rally needs the 2x in m+

[dense elbow]

It really isnt worth it in keys, no.

[raw magnet]

Warrior has two stuns(3 if prot), a fear and a berserkers shout that nobody takes. And I guess rally

Intervene is only useful as prot warrior and very very conditionally aside from the magic dr talent which is ok

[vernal laurel]

Big agree, this seems like an oversight even. Other abilities have gotten that treatment

[raw magnet]

In pve I mean

[fading sky]

Yup

[dense elbow]

People keep ignoring the value of our tankiness tho, feels bad man

[vernal laurel]

Fear really needs to be looked at again, it is very useless atm

[fading sky]

I miss 36% rally in sl not bad for game at all🤣

[vernal laurel]

No, being plate is good, but other plate classes bring better damage and utility unfortunately

[chilly fractal]

They just don’t care about our feelings, man

[vernal laurel]

Dude, give me mass spell reflect and I would be so happy

[fading sky]

I mean fury is suuper tanky

[queen panther]

Warrior no feel just zug

[raw magnet]

Only consequence is it costs fury, but dh also has other utility that is better than fury. Both have fears, darkness is a way better rally in pve, has better sustained mobility and can pseudo fly for some mechs

[fading sky]

Only dk is better

[raw magnet]

Also their interrupt can generate fury

Though dh isn't much better than warrior

[chilly fractal]

You can spec into a damage increase when you interrupt if you want

Nothing stopping you

[queen panther]

I’ve never seen a DH complain about being fury starved though

So does the cost even matter?

[raw magnet]

Aside from magic damage taken increase is better than battle shout in raid environments

[dense elbow]

I use that one, cause it helps me focus on interupts and it makes pummel shorter CD

[gilded pawn]

not rly

bshout is pretty much the strongest raid buff (with arcane int)

in raid

because its 3% now

at 5% yeah i would agree with you

[dense elbow]

this one needs more love

[gilded pawn]

but that still comes with the caveat of tagging the mob

[dense elbow]

5% on so many bosses

[vernal laurel]

Make it baseline

Could not hurt

[dense elbow]

It is really strong for what it does tho

5% for 10 sec, on a 13 sec CD, pretty neato

[raw magnet]

Yeah but it is kinda bad

[vernal laurel]

Yeah but lets not kid ourself that making it baseline would break fury to the moon

[queen panther]

In PvP if u can get a kick off before ur go. Can delete someone…..

[raw magnet]

Most ppl take the sidearm talent like myself

[gilded pawn]

ya 5% damage on kick is a lot of damage

[dense elbow]

It wouldnt, but as a talent option it is powerful enough

[fading sky]

Fury needs the haste talent fixxed

[vernal laurel]

PvP

[queen panther]

Hey man

PvP go brrrrr

[vernal laurel]

It would have to be easier to choose, just put it before avatar or something

Make it Basicly a passive

[dense elbow]

I mean, the WW improvement is pointless

so it basically already is

[vernal laurel]

Not for Thane

mandatory

[dense elbow]

Fair, clap go clap

Roll Slayer

[vernal laurel]

I will if they change the tierset 4p to proc from execute or rampage

[raw magnet]

If you have consistent uptime on kick and have cool downs it is, but there are often times in m+ that there arent kick able mobs or are out of reach and often in raid environments

Whereas sidearm just passively always rng chance

[gilded pawn]

yes

its worse than sidearm

[dense elbow]

it 100% should be (4): After you spend Sudden Death cast a reap for 250% value

[gilded pawn]

but it shouldnt be baseline either

[dense elbow]

Current (4) is just sadge

[storm birch]

anyone know where to get algari mana oil on PTR? Horde

[dense elbow]

One of the vendors sell it, with all the rest, no? Now I got uncertain

[vernal laurel]

yeah unfort, cant really get onboard Slayer before they change that.

[dense elbow]

I always got tons on my transfered character

[storm birch]

nah i haven't been able to find D:

[dense elbow]

Make a forum post, I will like it

[raw magnet]

The talent just doesn't matter that much. With a good group 1 second reduced kick from that talent isnt needed in m+

We already have quick interrupt reset

[vernal laurel]

Think someone already did, I liked that one

[dense elbow]

Probably mine

[vernal laurel]

Oh wait, I included it in my own post lmao

[vernal laurel]

That one as well ^^

[dense elbow]

Sadly, there is close to 0% chance they will redo (4) atm

at best they increase the mod% from 150 to 200, something boring like that

[vernal laurel]

Fury warrior dev surely wakes up tmr and makes the right choice

[dense elbow]

Fury devs wake up, see some balance team dude messed with his baby, reverts all of it. Adds a note: "No."

[dark heron]

There is no warrior dev Bro

[vernal laurel]

Unfortunately there is

[dense elbow]

Sure there is, problem he is also the Mage dev.

[dark heron]

He is sleeping since bfa then i guess … legion fury was insane

[dense elbow]

Fury Warrior dev was awake for the TWW beta

[dense sedge]

Let’s not kid ourselves we are still gonna bonk regardless

[storm birch]

Someone flip a coin for me. Heads Thane Tails Slayer for this dawnbreaker

[dense elbow]

Aight

heads

[storm birch]

thanks

[inland flame]

I agree

[storm birch]

o7

message received

[raw magnet]

What class do they play

No warrior main would allow the warrior tmog sets to be this dull

[vague sierra]

Mage infiltrators at it again

[chilly fractal]

Ya’ll know what I could go for right now… Some Royal Farms world famous fried chicken.

[north geyser]

Thane AoE question: if I have TBlast ready, but I also have WW stacks in hand, to I use those on Rampage etc. first, or do I just rip TBlast as fast as possible and basically overcap WW stacks?

Also somewhat related: do I wait for high crit chance Bloodthirst in AoE, or do I send it on CD to fish for TBlast procs?

[earnest canyon]

It's so famous I've never heard of it

[quiet breach]

[brittle crow]

i want banana

[earnest canyon]

Why

[brittle crow]

ooo banana

[earnest canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/andy-dwyer-donkey-kong-dk-andy-gif-1067968411783685778

[olive wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/donkey-kong-dk-bananza-nintendo-switch-2-banana-gif-3017920753120442096

[woven valley]

New dk game is amazing

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-huh-shocked-king-kong-gif-5865542

[olive wraith]

Peak

Zelda got some work cut out

[woven valley]

Gonna be honest after 2 open world nonlinear Zelda games, I want a twilight princess remake from the ground up, or a sequel in the style of twilight princess, just think what they could do

[earnest canyon]

I'd like a new windwaker or lttp

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-peely-fortnite-peely-fortnite-og-og-og-gif-17541816937642508880

[earnest canyon]

Banana is yellow... Unlike you

[sudden tusk]

i would be the most useless yellow

know to exist

[olive wraith]

You could give us reactions

[earnest canyon]

"And now we go to Madox for the reaction on the warrior tier set"

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-down-gif-9757908

[sudden tusk]

and how do we feel about SkS

https://tenor.com/view/farthyun-horse-mad-gif-19015168

[bitter palm]

horse of warrior knowledge when you ask it about sks

[hardy cargo]

sks owns

[earnest canyon]

What's sks again?

[orchid dagger]

Skullsplitter

[earnest canyon]

Ah

Ty

[slim coral]

New Trash spot unlocked for rik reverb

[sullen dove]

incorrect

you at least work for title

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/hoshimi-miyabi-zzz-zenless-zone-zero-big-finger-ok-gif-7518459764649260595

[sullen dove]

🟨 💢 🐂 ✅

https://tenor.com/view/dj-miyabi-zzz-dance-dj-faruco-ad-gif-9103330017952291877

[sudden tusk]

how can she hear the music those headphones aren't on them ears

[sullen dove]

imallears

why the melons vibin out doe

same way the melons hear the music

[earnest canyon]

Nice melons

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/maxwell-cat-maxwell-spinner-but-heres-the-but-heres-the-spinner-gif-6675114635830032782

maxwell ass melons

[obtuse burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/8k-spinning-rat-gif-3284779766294903751

[earnest canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-spinning-gif-3132486566251161105

[smoky vale]

@pulsar quest are yuou doing keys tn 🙂

[earnest canyon]

When does ptr close or is there no set time like 2 weeks out or something

[slim coral]

It closes as soon as august 5th hits

becauase then 11.2.5 gets uploaded

[pulsar quest]

yes whats up

[earnest canyon]

I see ty

[pulsar quest]

i need to get my 20 top and dfc done

so i can stop worrying

[smoky vale]

can you help me do keys :3

[pulsar quest]

my group is spamming me to get on 😦 if we take a break ill come help

[smoky vale]

gg

[pulsar quest]

😦

[fickle stirrup]

What was with the PTR update? Did it actually do anything?

[cobalt kernel]

can someone link me fury ptr m+ talents

[winter shoal]

For thane or slurry

[dense elbow]

Slurry is the right way to play, try Slurry first

[cobalt kernel]

thane

[winter shoal]

CgEArbixk/ZKwTdpZGVHeylmLAAAAAAAAAQjhxsMmhxygZWYmZGzwMMzy2MjZmZDzMzYYmZWGGMjBAAAxMbLjNWssYmGzMDTmFGjFA

[dense elbow]

why not link him both, maybe he tries Slayer either way

[winter shoal]

You probably want to drop something for rumbling earth

Also not sure about powerful vs frenzied enrage off the top of my head

[cobalt kernel]

1 min roar 💀

[winter shoal]

Slurry, same comment about rumbling earth applies but you almost certainly want to play frenzied CgEArbixk/ZKwTdpZGVHeylmLAAAAAAAAAQjhZmNzMMjBzswMzMmhZYmttZGzMzCmxMzMmZsMMYmZAAAQMz22YjFLLmpxMzwkZhBbA

[winter shoal]

It's 1:30 but yeah

Roar capstones are big shit

[cobalt kernel]

real

[winter shoal]

Oh I think you're actually supposed to play spear as thane

With CM

But IIRC it doesn't make that much of a difference

higher highs, lower lows type shit

[deft sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/aziz-ilias-lutscher-gif-14137753

[winter shoal]

Looks like spear is ~0.2% ahead in aoe and like 0.5% behind in single target

So do what you want, doesn't matter much either way

for thane*

[dense elbow]

approved?

[cobalt kernel]

never been a fan of spear tbh

[winter shoal]

No DOI makes my soul hurt

No HnS also makes my soul hurt

[dense elbow]

Approved

[winter shoal]

Your single target is going to be shite

Surely CSHB is a better point to drop than HnS for slurry no?

[dense elbow]

For sure, CSHB is weak even on live

But - it approved

[winter shoal]

For certain definitions of the word

[dense elbow]

Not taking the 20% dam +10%crit dam on WW for Slayer tho, cant be right?

[winter shoal]

This one?

[dense elbow]

Yah

[winter shoal]

Idk sidearm is super weak but so is barbaric

Probably doesn't matter?

I haven't checked

[dense elbow]

More AoE potential if nothing else, but for funsies can check logs

[modest condor]

i havent seen post change sidearm numbers but barbaric is somewhere between 1.5-2%

[dense elbow]

I knew I would find it somewhere

Sidearm very likely aint the call

WW dam

[winter shoal]

Yeah barbaric looks like it's ~0.5% gain

over sidearm

[dense elbow]

TR for OF, will be kinda costly to grab next season, eh.

Oh well, I can justify the cost for comfort

[winter shoal]

Yeah idk the numbers off the top of my head but HnS is probably like 2.5% maybe

CSHB probably less but still a nonzero amount

[dense elbow]

Ye, but TR is a

uhm

0.5% dps increase?

being nice

I mean, you save yourself casting a WW

so lets say 3%

[winter shoal]

real

[dense elbow]

[winter shoal]

uhh

that's a bit of a stretch maybe

Me when I round up generously

[dense elbow]

I wont tell, if you dont tell

[modest condor]

i like how both of you are just making up numbers

[dense elbow]

Silm, join us. You dont tell, we dont tell. We cut you in

[winter shoal]

I'm making up numbers for some things

I'm actually running sims for barbaric vs sidearm

Because that's somewhat relevant to slurry in raid

[modest condor]

i mean 20% whirlwind damage is slightly less than 2% gain from barbaric, add the 10% crit damage and you get about 2%

[dense elbow]

And sidearm is worth ish 0.6% in M+

[signal steeple]

Trying to get from ~87 avg to ~95+ parse on fury seems sisyphean at best. I'm 681 ilvl instead of 684 due to bad vault luck, but surely that's not the difference maker. What do you do when you seem to be butting heads with diminishing returns? Just deep dive into your logs?

[winter shoal]

I'm about to step out for a bit but link your log here and/or in the #1347646810457636974 channel and I can take a look later

[dense elbow]

Sims will be your best friend, then on a fight to fight basis you want to take a snapshot of what the leader is doing. Their gear, stats and strats, then copy that and improve upon it. That should get you to 99. If your team plays well enough. Then the final 99 to 100 could be just the right RNG away.

[winter shoal]

A lot of it is probably

• kill timers
• cd timings
• how much other people are padding (so that you can't pad as much)
• minor rotational goofs

[dense elbow]

Gear

[signal steeple]

Could also be gear I'm a mix of arms and fury gear with prio to arms because it's better in M+

[winter shoal]

Me when I do mugzee the same as the last 50 times I've done it and randomly proc a r10 that's like 10% higher than my previous best pull 🙂

[dense elbow]

[winter shoal]

I got multiple 95+ with 681 unoptimized gear

[dense elbow]

Then you wake up

[signal steeple]

That's huge

[dense elbow]

Show by bracket, you coward

[signal steeple]

I didn't have nearly as much trouble getting oranges on my druid as this guy. Which should be the opposite

[winter shoal]

????

[dense elbow]

Hell yeah

[signal steeple]

Damn nice

[dense elbow]

Bunkjunker not your fight tho, eh?

[winter shoal]

Stix

That fight is removed from all stars for a reason

[dense elbow]

[signal steeple]

Isn't Stix just a trash ball and trash burning lottery? You either do the mechanics you're handed and the team wins, or you don't and it takes two hours

[winter shoal]

At this point yeah it's basically just "did you let a bomb go off"

Earlier in the season there were other mechanics

But as far as parsing, it's just rng of whether you get put on a ball or not

and to some extent, how much padding everyone else is doing

Very shit boss 👍

[dense elbow]

Btw, your longest sims in the history of man over yet?

[signal steeple]

Bigbowwl can you send character name so I can compare us please?

[winter shoal]

I'll give you one guess

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/78134808?difficulty=5

[dense elbow]

Better be BigB

[earnest canyon]

Bigbowels

[winter shoal]

@signal steeple you can also plug your logs into wowanalyzer, it'll point out some low-hanging-fruit in terms of rotational errors you might be making. Most of them are probably pretty minor, but if you're consistently making the same mistakes then it might be worth looking more into

[signal steeple]

I do that every time I analyze my logs

I've probably wasted more of wowanalyzer's electricity than just about anyone

[winter shoal]

[dense elbow]

This pleases BigB

[winter shoal]

unironically it does

Well

[signal steeple]

It pleases me because even when outdated it's still useful

[winter shoal]

Only if you use the timeline view

It's not outdated anymore thanks to a certain someone

[slim coral]

Hey man I didn’t give you permission to use my logs

[winter shoal]

I heard he's pretty smart

[dense elbow]

I heard he does many misstakes

and ppl argue about it

a lot in here

[winter shoal]

This part is true

[dense elbow]

[winter shoal]

idk about the rest

[winter shoal]

I'm p sure these are all from the first night of the 11.1.7 partition when my gear was still beans

[slim coral]

August needs to hurry

[dense elbow]

My body hungers for new Slayer tierset

I will take Slayer to new glories, all the way up to 0.5% next season, PuG style

[indigo arch]

August can wait, meat cleaver still isn't addressed

[olive wraith]

It was addressed just not to you satisfaction

[dense elbow]

Moo, you a team 'fury need softcap'?

[slim coral]

This week we will be getting uncapped

Surely

[spare steppe]

pretty sure WW is gonna get another 20% buff

get ready WW is gonna slap

[dense elbow]

WW is not that far off from actually being the right call to just spam on mass AoE

[olive wraith]

It’s low key good damage rn

[dense elbow]

[olive wraith]

In overall I mean

[dense elbow]

Cant blame ppl for not knowing tho, not many do Slayer keys at all

[slim coral]

Uncap fury let’s goooooo

[indigo arch]

I'm team "if they won't give us utility we should do more than 90% of the specs in the game"

Also uncapped

Id take softcap at this point even, fking anything to not play arms

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-k-on-disappoint-disappointed-gif-6051447

[indigo arch]

Oh well, my mm hunter is 683 and fdk is climbing

[dense elbow]

MM hunter do be blasting, that is for sure

[olive wraith]

Oh so thane?

[indigo arch]

Stockholm syndrome is only so effective

[indigo arch]

Does thane uncap or softcap meat cleaver?

[olive wraith]

Tb is softcap

[dense elbow]

I play MM whenever I feel like I want to do some damage, cant only play Slayer and be shit. Sometimes you want to be the shit.

[indigo arch]

Until fury gets the correct tuning it's gonna be arms

Maybe fury in raid for early tier

[olive wraith]

I mean it’s kinda ahead rn

[indigo arch]

Fury unironically doing more in overall than arms?

Even if it's just even id play it

Anything to flee from arms

[olive wraith]

Pretty sure

If not ahead, it’s slightly worse aoe and much higher boss dmg

[dense elbow]

It is close at least - both seem to be in the 8m overall area, but I havent actually watched a good player do arms so far (and I personally dont play arms)

[winter shoal]

Citation needed

[quiet breach]

fury has gotten a shitload of buffs since ptr started and arms has gotten barely anything in comparison

like massive buffs

[olive wraith]

Arms got nerfed

[indigo arch]

Why do you need a citation to know what I'm gonna play

[dense elbow]

Citation denied

[indigo arch]

If fury is dookie overall again I suffer through arms

If it's near even I return to the better spec aka fury

[dense elbow]

It aint dookie, it just isnt... optimal... atm

[winter shoal]

Sorry I might've misunderstood what you meant. You can play what you want and have fun with, no skin off my back. But saying that arms is ahead of fury is objectively untrue (currently)

[dense elbow]

Bowwl, ya prob got your finger on arms overalls. Where they at, more or less?

[winter shoal]

Incorrect assumption

I don't know shit about arms

#updates-midnight message

That's the most I know

[dense elbow]

You looking at sims, and not practical gameplay?

[winter shoal]

Yeah ofc

[olive wraith]

I mean crit is favoring fury rn

I trust it

[dense elbow]

I think Crit just is huffing copium, wanting it to be the better one

Poor Crit tho, playing Fury and being bashed down in every key (I seen) he plays by the real classes

I am still waiting for his "It is so bad" video, just so he gets his free payday

[winter shoal]

I've seen Dan and Crit play a handful of keys as fury

Seems pretty good compared to the non-outlier classes

[pearl sequoia]

what is this witchcraft

[winter shoal]

wym

[dense elbow]

It is pretty decent, like not great, not bad - what do you mean?

[pearl sequoia]

How come your pov showed higher parses

[willow cradle]

Looks slightly above average

[pearl sequoia]

or am i missing something

[willow cradle]

ilvl was clicked

[dense elbow]

I love ppl when they dont have context

Mr BigB getting slammed

I regret nothing

[pearl sequoia]

ilvl parses

[smoky vale]

why does bigbowwl have better parses than me...

im washed

[dense elbow]

dont worry, you still stink

[willow cradle]

The big in bigbowl stands for big, thats why

[dense elbow]

Imagine trying to make logs look better

wow

underhanded much?

why would you ever do that?

[winter shoal]

My rogue alt in df s3

[summer quail]

your gally parses are dragging you down

[winter shoal]

Not cropped btw

[smoky vale]

oh yeah

and mugzee

big stinkers

[winter shoal]

That was 100% hekili btw

[pearl sequoia]

were all gods

[winter shoal]

I had one (1) weakaura for subterfuge windows and hekili did the rest

[summer quail]

just like one armed bandit is dragging me down. but only have 1 kill on that boss

piece of shit boss

[winter shoal]

I was in the hyperbolic time chamber of dogshit guild

Joined a decent guild and my parses went 🅱️razy

[dense elbow]

bow down peasaaaants

[winter shoal]

holy

[summer quail]

daulity of man. 100 parse into 20 parse

duality*

[dense elbow]

you are either the 1, or noone

[pearl sequoia]

prog logs

[smoky vale]

me not progging fights made me worse

[sullen tendon]

Samuro…

[junior gale]

With how my guild operates my prog logs are usually my best ones

[raw magnet]

What like whirlwind 3 times and then rampage to keep enrage?

[winter shoal]

Don't think you'd have enough rage

[hardy wadi]

sometimes when i have around 50-80 rage and i charge into a fight i lose my rage until i have 20 left, is anyone else expirencing this?

always irritates me that i cant push rampage

[latent hedge]

starting combat will put you at 20 rage if you have more

[hardy wadi]

is this new?

[latent hedge]

no

[hardy wadi]

i just wonder why i ave never noticed it lol

[indigo arch]

Bring back merciless bonegrinder for slayer fury

[proven stream]

are there warrior 11.2 sims anywhere? just curious

[dense fulcrum]

we'll get any tuning patch this week?

[south kayak]

Very likely

[olive wraith]

Afaik not since the ionizing thane buff

[sudden tusk]

thane is still behind slayer in raid

but better for M+

[proven stream]

k waiting for this week's tuning surely

[fading sky]

Well some fights well be thane fights

[indigo arch]

Surely there will be tuning and years of backwards design in m+ will be fixed

[fading sky]

Dno man m+ feels quite good at the keylvl ive played, and with thane performing better.relative to this tier im decently happy

[indigo arch]

I'd just like fury to outperform the specs that typically outperform it WHILE having utility, just once

Would make me feel like they aren't just dartboarding it with helen keller as the thrower

[fading sky]

M8 warrior cant be meta in m+

Would require it to be waaaay to good in raid, what we would love is what we got be on par and we bring 5% ap

[sudden tusk]

we are at a pretty good spot rn on ptr

could buff base tblast/tclap a bit

but anything more would be overkill for raid

arms needs a lot of help and could end up being the M+ spec with a last min buff

[radiant plank]

[smoky vale]

i love tc

[sudden tusk]

fury to 8 would save us inironically

well not save but futureproof

[radiant plank]

Bake current meat cleaver into imp WW and make meat cleaver goes to increase from 4->8

or 4->6

[slim coral]

Bake fury

[sudden tusk]

somethin

fury is close performance wise

just needs a little oompf

[smoky vale]

or just actual cooldowns that dont suck ass

[slim coral]

sorry bro no cds allowed

[sudden tusk]

i dont mind warriors current profile where we are on the upper end of consistant plus spiky with cooldowns

[smoky vale]

madox

can i borrow your key this week
:3

[junior gale]

yoink

[storm birch]

14 floodgate breakdown. Holy TB dmg

[simple sun]

Speear

[bitter palm]

said this 4000 times instead of buffing our 5t just let us hit more ong

make tblast soft cap start at 8

make arms cleave softcap start at 8

[raw magnet]

Could make it so that meat cleaver also has a soft cap, like you hit 1 target with 100% damage, 4 targets with 65% damage(since they are changing it), and any extra target for 10-15% damag

or less

[olive wraith]

Lmao not only did spear do same damage as roar. You also benefit from the crit damage

[left pasture]

You have screen of overall dmg ?

[junior gale]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-need-gif-21451408

you got that overall

[slim coral]

looks like it's about 5.4

[inland flame]

Unbuffed cloak being 0.7% is kinda funny

[storm birch]

Sorry I don’t I believe I was 6.9m dps higher than the frost dk and hunter weirdly enough lol. Wasnt the best run for big pulls. I’m working on the recording for those that end up interested. Tryna get reps in for testing purposes

[storm birch]

Lmaoo yea

[storm birch]

Spear feels great. I gotta show yall my big momma dmg that ish wild

[olive wraith]

Oh I absolutely believe this is gonna be a spear season

tr is pitiful rn

[storm birch]

Yup. I was hype cause I was looking for 8m dps in that floodgate maybe 7.6 but we got stuck in combat and had to sandbag a 4 pack of rando mobs and then sandbagged and accidental pull of 3 divers. SMH

Keeps us off the nerf charts at least XD

[olive wraith]

I think we’re relatively safe to flex as dps

The issue is gonna be prot bringing a nerf hammer

[storm birch]

Is thane prot goin nuts ?

[olive wraith]

Afaik yes

[storm birch]

Hmm. I supposed we’ll see

[olive wraith]

I only dabble in prot as I gear up early season/faster vault keys

So I don’t really know enough

[inland flame]

Kira has been saying it's really good I think. Watched a couple of his PTR keys recently and I think he thinks it's really good.

[vernal laurel]

It really would, it also would not really impact raid. One little change to save fury in the last minute before the season starts

[storm birch]

I’ll just keep echoing that I’d enjoy if our 4 set did a slight less bit of dmg and buff our baseline thane dmg . Cause sometimes you do mad dmg sometimes you feel like a weakling depends on proc rng.

[olive wraith]

How funny would it be if meat cleaver just got buffed to like 80% instead

[olive wraith]

Ya it’s a bit gamba. But when it’s proccing you are having a thunder blast

[storm birch]

Factssss

In that floodgate I got a triple TB in my spear window it was glorious

[eager lily]

Fury better than Arma next Patch ?

[undone flower]

You mean until post RWF tuning ?

[inland flame]

For M+, it's looking like yea

[olive wraith]

For raid yes

M+ it’s close

[eager lily]

Talking about raid yea

[olive wraith]

Thane has better st so you could make the argument thane is better

[radiant plank]

Slayer fury is the best for raid as of now

Could change any week tbh

[olive wraith]

For raid ya slayer fury is overall better

I wanna say there was 1 or 2 arms fights

[radiant plank]

0 arms fights

[olive wraith]

But I didn’t pay much attention to raid testing

[radiant plank]

when its so much behind fury

[olive wraith]

Oh rip

[radiant plank]

as it is now

[slim coral]

arms is ass

never play that dog spec

[junior gale]

500k behind

you aint playing it

[bitter palm]

yes i am

[junior gale]

jugg exists you aint playing it

[bitter palm]

i will play it

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-no-banned-and-you-are-explode-gif-16047504

[bitter palm]

no one can stop me

[undone flower]

Even undermine, if arms is not way ahead, I wouldn’t say one is better than the other

[bitter palm]

no one can stop me

[radiant plank]

Colossus OTP, battlelord in raids

[slim coral]

If they are close fury is almost always better unless it's an execute based spec

fury just tankier

[bitter palm]

baseg

arms is so ahh

atm

[undone flower]

And just personal play (main fury or arms) fill the few % of diff

If it’s only few diff

[inland flame]

Yeah Arms Col ST is just so struggle bus rn

[bitter palm]

arms st is shit

not just colo

[olive wraith]

Buff sks

[inland flame]

Yea but Colo is bad bad

I kno Slayer is bad too tho

[undone flower]

Thx bc im almost 80 on my arms second warrior project

[inland flame]

It's gonna be frustrating to not get tier procs when you want them but Thane will probably just feel better unless they help Arms out, which they may still do

[bitter palm]

i mean

they HAVE to tune arms right

[olive wraith]

Even without procs

[bitter palm]

its so behind

[olive wraith]

Ionizing strikes is actually decent in st

[radiant plank]

500k is not thaaat much

♣️

[inland flame]

Am I missing something Ionizing Strikes IS the proc

[junior gale]

cant do that prot would be to strong

[bitter palm]

colo is pretty close to slayer on st right

[junior gale]

like less than 200k

[radiant plank]

100k or so

[olive wraith]

Just buff sks

It’s easy

[radiant plank]

there is some WEEB

[bitter palm]

closer than ever

[radiant plank]

with an ANIME GIRL PFP

looking at the sheet

called turbotopcone

[bitter palm]

ayo

had ts since 2018

why is slayer

4.99 on sheet when krisp perma linking some 5.1

sandbagging