fury

[pine gust]

And you watch your collat stacks expire

[remote bobcat]

that shit usually doesnt happen within good groups innit

[pine gust]

Who said I was good 😄

[remote bobcat]

mb

[bitter palm]

send cook im gonna try it maybe

its just jugg

no rend sks bloodborne

or

[undone flower]

Arms jug in m+

I’m starting to build up the hype for the patch since this morning, it’s smol but exist now

[radiant plank]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/warrior/arms/slayer/DAOBUVFUEQhYVKoQEBBOVVEVUBVFUWBUFQCAEEFVVUBB

[bitter palm]

holy

looks fun

ngl

no bothering with 932 cds

rend

just slam execute

and cleave

and ms

peak

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-wave-hello-hi-sup-gif-16159238468026206620

[slim coral]

Arms and looking fun name a worse duo

[fading sky]

Holy f thane is bad on live🤣

[slim coral]

Yeah cause fury has like no actual cds

[fading sky]

Ptr

Its bettet

[summer quail]

and yet somehow better than slayer(in m+ ofc)

[fading sky]

Ikr

I just did a dfc 16, as fury for fun, and man it was depressing

Even in st i wasnt a tier above

[bitter palm]

chatting

[last nacelle]

For fun and fury can't be a good duo in a world when powerfull enrage exist

[fading sky]

Ngl powerfull makes thsne slower than arms during wb

[earnest canyon]

Can I ask you a question?

[fading sky]

Y

[earnest canyon]

Why goats?

[fading sky]

?m

[fading sky]

Haha

It is danish though

[earnest canyon]

What does it actially mean? Gambler?

[fading sky]

Nothing good brother

[earnest canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-bobby-smh-shaking-my-head-gif-18269382051844334745

[clever path]

In what world does….. a full heroic 671 boomy with a one button rotation, out dps a full mythic 684 fury warrior…. Makes sense

[radiant plank]

it doesnt

[gilded pawn]

I think that says more about the fury warrior

Doesn’t it

[silk wharf]

You mean when people were exploiting using a macro to skip the input delay on the one button?

[winter shoal]

Even then a full bis fury should pipe a 671 druid

Except in like first pull workshop type shit

Assuming equal player skill ofc

[gilded pawn]

Yeah I don’t think there’s equal play skill here

[limber oar]

The fury war is either ass or the boomie is god or both

[midnight sierra]

one fury warrior is worth a thousand boomkin players souls

[dense elbow]

^

[clever path]

On average skill base it is better

[smoky wraith]

One drunk man

[warm crag]

source: the demons that invade my mind at night

[midnight sierra]

In the words of gromnak “I hate boomkins”

[clever path]

You get your average 3k fury warrior and a boomie reroll with 1 button rotation and will do better

Y’all are mad becuz your spec gets outdps by a class pressing 1 button

[winter shoal]

I mean it sounds like you're the one who's mad

[clever path]

I mean I get it, I suffer as well

[clever path]

🤣🤣

[winter shoal]

Like yeah fury isn't meta but if you're getting clowned on by people using one button rotation with 10 lower ilvl than you, that's a you problem, not a spec problem

And you may be right to be upset in that situation, but at least be upset at the right thing

[dense elbow]

Well - in what situation are we talking here, cause on live you can easily be beat on mass AoE by a 1button guy

[clever path]

Maybe 10 itlvl it’s a bit too much, but close in gear, or equal, you can be god tier at fury, you still will be outdps by a boomie with 1 button rotation

[dense elbow]

[winter shoal]

Oh so you're saying you just made up a situation to be mad about then?

[silk wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/moving-goalposts-ps5-sony-pony-gif-21602444

[winter shoal]

Yeah I said as much but buddy didn't provide any context for the made up situation they're mad about anyways so idk

[silk wharf]

that gif is so weird. I couldnt see any of that in the small preview.

[clever path]

It’s just 1 more example that fury it’s doomed on 5 men content

[winter shoal]

It's not an example though

You made it up

Anyone can just say anything, that doesn't make it evidence

[clever path]

Like I said, maybe 10 lvl behind it’s a lil too much, BUT right now, you will be out dps by a boomie playing with 1 finger on equal terms

That’s how sad fury is

[gilded pawn]

Sorry to hear that

Hope you get better soon

[winter shoal]

Yeah bro fury loses to balance in keys every time

(this was literally the first key log I found with me and a balance druid)

[limber oar]

Is that a 6 key

[winter shoal]

It's a 12

Log dps is fucked compared to details

[limber oar]

Whys the dps so low

Oh

[winter shoal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2wPXrtNxCdLgHfFz?fight=34&type=summary

Also from like 3 months ago so our gear is big shit

[limber oar]

Alright i get your point and i agree with you

But

[clever path]

Right isn’t like TOP has like 1 pull with more than 10 target count

[limber oar]

This dude is bottom of the barrel

[clever path]

Boomie out dps fury with 1 finger, facts

[winter shoal]

Respectfully, are you smoking crack?

I literally just sent you a log of me shitting on a boomie because they're a less skilled player than me

You're making up things to be mad about and ignoring the closest thing to objective evidence against your point

Like being upset about fury not being meta is fine, but at least do so in good faith

[dense elbow]

I mean, did you see tettles 1button macro DPS video?

we aint doing that kind of overall DPS

[clever path]

Good for you to shine in 1 of the 2 dungs fury it’s decent at wich is TOP and Rookery, either way, the class itself, out dps fury with 1 finger

[silk wharf]

Bro, if you lose to someone eating a 20% dps loss to play one-button outside niche, short-term, mass aoe scenarios (where fury is especially bad) the problem is you, not the spec.

[clever path]

Yeah don’t show those facts around, they don’t want to realize the size of the gap that it is

[silk wharf]

And we're back to people using the macro to exploit the one-button.

K

[dense elbow]

Noone in here will deny there is a DPS gap between the avg boomie and avg fury on live, in M+, on overall DPS

at least I dont hope so

[winter shoal]

That's not what they said at all

Again, it's fine to be upset about things, but do so in good faith

[clever path]

And on top of that they will still do better with a 1 button helper and a penalty, but this ppl are blind it seems like, that just shows the state of warrior on M+

Cry all you want, the facts are there

[winter shoal]

I'm begging you

[wind torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-looking-side-eye-side-eye-meme-gif-9333588005695144100

[winter shoal]

Please send me evidence of this

Support your argument in any way

[clever path]

Easy, go watch tettles video of him, and tell me with a straight face you can out dps him

[winter shoal]

I can't out dps tettles, he's a better player than me

on average, at least

[dense elbow]

Even if he use 1button macro?

[clever path]

Yes

[wind torrent]

Went from talking about Fury issues in M+ to PP measuring contest

[dense elbow]

Question is to bigbowwl tho

[winter shoal]

Is your question whether I could beat him with him using 1 button rotation? Or whether he's a better player while using 1 button rotation

[dense elbow]

Why not both, if you feel it makes much of a difference

[radiant plank]

The tettles video was him using a bug

which removed the penalty

of the 1 button macro

[dense elbow]

Oh?

[radiant plank]

so sybau

[dense elbow]

You got source on that, or does he say so somewhere?

[radiant plank]

In all the videos

that he made about how "op" it is

[winter shoal]

Could I beat him with him using 1br? Maybe, depends on the situation. In lower target counts like TOP, probably?

Is he a better player than me while using 1br? Without a doubt. Anyone who thinks that 1br or hekili or whatever remove all skill expression are smoking crack

[radiant plank]

and then a blizzard blue post

where they stated that they killed the WA that made it possible to abuse the one button macro

with no penalty

[dense elbow]

So Tettles used the WA?

[winter shoal]

I've never played with tettles so I'm making a lot of assumptions. He played with a guildy of mine a while back and was gassing him up, and I know I'm worse than that guy, so seems like a fair assumption

[inland flame]

Are we talking about that +17 ML video he made?

[dense elbow]

Probably

[radiant plank]

presumably yes

[inland flame]

Pretty sure that was natty one-button no WA

[radiant plank]

all the vids he made were one button wa

post release

to remove the gcd penalty

[dense elbow]

Then why does he talk about it, as if he is using the inbuilt button and showcasing it?

[radiant plank]

cuz he is

the WA just removes the penalty part

[dense elbow]

Then he isnt showcasing the button tho, he is exploiting and giving a scewed view of things

[radiant plank]

yes

which is why this guys argument

is non existant

[marble pilot]

Yeah one button without the penalty is just slight worse rotation sim dps. It isnt even an arguement.
Like getting mad when a cast sequence bm hunter beat you back in tbc. When the cast sequence macro had perfect play

[dense elbow]

Yeah, but first you got to prove tettles is doing this - without a doubt. You got a clip of him confirming doing such?

[radiant plank]

his yt videos

what more can I prove

[dense elbow]

A clip where he says it directly

If you dont got it or cba, that is fine - but until I see direct proof, I will kinda doubt what you say. Giving Tettles some good faith

[marble pilot]

Can just look to see if his gcd is longer or not.

[radiant plank]

https://wago.io/SXRj5Tb1XZ here is the WA he used

[dense elbow]

Sure, but where is him saying or it being proved that he is using that?

[marble pilot]

Just started the video his gcds dont look slow to me. I dont pretend to know what it should look like for everyone though

[bitter palm]

ye the wa removes the penalty

that's the point

[marble pilot]

I know. But Im saying thats proof he isnt actually using it

The built in 1 button. Not the weakaura version.
Built in 1 button would instantly be worse cause of the gcd

[restive peak]

Wasn't be using the script WA too

[orchid dagger]

WA making SBA strictly better than playing the spec

[restive peak]

Pretty sure that's bannable, or broken now, no?

[orchid dagger]

People didn't get banned for the perfect kick macro

[inland flame]

Blizz broke it

[dense elbow]

It got broken, and is punishable, if ya talking about trying to get around the GCD penalty - yep

[restive peak]

Yeah they broke it, so using past shit that doesn't work is irrelevant to any argument

[earnest canyon]

man that Robe guy literally limped in here dragging his gammy leg, said a few things in broken English, then pissed off...and you guys are still talking about it 😛

That is skills

[restive peak]

If you're losing to 1 button people you're legit braindead, you're literally factually more braindead than a person who has to only have 1 button to play

[ocean hearth]

lol he’s not using the WA. You can see when he presses the standard OBR on the action bar

The WA you have to bind

So you wouldn’t see the key presses

[marble pilot]

Just false. You can see his gcds go by. None of them are slowed.

[ocean hearth]

?

Yes they are. It’s a .3 reduction

[marble pilot]

I can put the one button on my bar and hit any other button it still flashes and changes

[ocean hearth]

I’m not talking about it flashing. You can see his key presses

On the screen

What a cope

[inland flame]

It would be so weird for him to be talking the entire video about how the OBR is broken despite the GCD penalty and then be using the WA.

[ocean hearth]

Exactly

If you don’t understand how the GCD works just say so. It’s all g

[dense elbow]

Nah, I am still in camp Tettles didnt use a cheat in his showcase of the 1button macro video

[ocean hearth]

He for sure didn’t.You can see him pressing it. He has some macros on some binds which would be for CD usage. And then a default one

If you read the description of the WA you’d understand you wouldn’t see his key press if he was using it

Because it’s a custom keybind

It’s not on a bar

The OBR plays fury pretty poorly but it’s not too bad with arms. Believe it just prios OP buff before it MS, but everything else generally lines up prio wise

[dense elbow]

Ok, watched the showcase video from the twitter link, the WA - and compareing it to the YB showcase of the blizz 1button, it really doesnt seem like the same

[winter shoal]

Opportunist is prio above MS normally tho

[dense elbow]

I think Walhe is wrong here.

[ocean hearth]

Nah not opportunist. The overpower 2 stack buff

Like with or without opportunist

It’ll always try buff your ms before pressing it if 2 charges of OP are available

[winter shoal]

Oh cringe

[clever path]

Mad cuz facts

[ocean hearth]

Not too bad. You can just swap points out of MS resets into other dmg

I think the amount of dunning kruges that think they play close to sim is peak, considering how logs clearly show a gap larger than 20% on logs between even 50% to a 90% parse

[winter shoal]

Let's not make up numbers https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/42?boss=3013&class=Warrior&spec=Fury&dataset=90

90p on sprocket is ~3.4m, 50p is 3m

That's a shade over 10%, not 20

[ocean hearth]

That’s one fight and you’re looking at mythic

So what, 5% of the player base? Sick bro

Good data pool

[winter shoal]

Controlling for padding and yeah why would I care about heroic logs

[ocean hearth]

It’s not about what you care about, we are talking about players as a whole

[bitter palm]

raid might not be a good metric then since a lot of people dont even raid

[ocean hearth]

Yes they do?

[dense elbow]

No we dont

[ocean hearth]

True

[clever path]

Lots of Ls takes today chat

Pull up M+ numbers vs raid Jamie

[olive wraith]

We gonna be fine

Stop dooming

[inland flame]

What would Fury chat be without our 10-times-a-day panic attacks?

[ocean hearth]

No dooming here

[charred estuary]

Do we have any sim numbers for aoe buffs after the WW cleave change

[ocean hearth]

I got a 2nd war set up solely for OBR logs

We are coming in hot

[charred estuary]

I'm not expecting much at al

[clever path]

Another season of Arms

[charred estuary]

Not even at gunpoint brother

[dense elbow]

We are fine
we always fine
its fine
all is fine

[summer quail]

if it goes live like this it will be fury. arms down bad

real bad

[dense elbow]

From what I seen, Fury is pretty bad itself. So RIP arms I guess.

[summer quail]

nahh fury pretty decent on ptr

[dense elbow]

decent is a dangerous term

[clever path]

I feel like due arms being bug on PtR, it will go live being bad and will get some of the nerfs reverted, and fury should see another row of buffs when raid hits

That is being totally optimistic

[dense elbow]

For some decent is being 10% behind other DPS, for some 20%, for others as long we can physically and theoreticaly do a 10, we are decent.

[olive wraith]

Our raid dmg is pretty good though

[summer quail]

means not meta but not garbage. competes with the non outliers and will not "troll" by playing it

fury has been garbage in m+ for the last 3 seasons

[clever path]

Nothing to be seen here, buff dk

[olive wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/donkey-kong-bananza-donkey-kong-2025-nintendo-nintendo-switch-2-gif-10689732644140629240

[inland flame]

See this is all just a miscommunication. Blizzard thinks that since the spec is called Fury, the madder we get the happier we'll be with the spec.

[summer quail]

now if it goes live like this next season, then we are actually not bad

[plush maple]

Remove SMF and replace it with node that makes it so whirlwind cleave stacks hit EVERY target in range but you get 30%-40% damage nerf

[olive wraith]

Oh boy smf talent talk again

[dense elbow]

From what I have seen, outliers, hunter, DK, ehn, mage, lock, does what 10-12m overall, fury sits around 7-9m mark.

Tho, I havent checked much this last week, as I personally aint testing - I am just waiting for the tuning to hit. But from what I seen from peaking on critcake, those numbers still hold true.

[winter shoal]

What arms bug

[inland flame]

It's true that Crit has been dooming a bit because he's always comfortably third in PTR keys as either Arms or Fury rn

[dense elbow]

To be fair, Crit hasnt played Fury in a bit, so I am suuuuuuuuuuure that diff is 100% rust

[charred estuary]

Hard to rust from fury's rotation man

It's stupid easy

[dense elbow]

shhh

[summer quail]

crit has pretty much been playing with only MM and frost. the 2 best specs, very skewed data

[dense elbow]

You said keeping up with the outliers

[summer quail]

no. read again

[winter shoal]

Thane on ptr in aoe has some somewhat unintuitive gameplay that goes against muscle memory you would've built up to this point

[dense elbow]

Ah, so if we compete with the mid, we are fine.

Got ya

[summer quail]

it is fine to be mid

[dense elbow]

fine to compete with mid, you mean

[charred estuary]

Is it though

It's just hit the proc if you get it

[summer quail]

you do know that means other mid classes compete with us as well right?

[inland flame]

I think it's fair to want a dub at this point but I understand saying that mid is fine, too.

[olive wraith]

Hit tb and bt

[summer quail]

on live we are TRASH in m+. i will gladly take being mid

[inland flame]

I really wouldn't mind a dub, tho.

[dense elbow]

Nah, we are kinda mid on live

[clever path]

All the arguments of ppl complaining about the monk buff, where not physical classes players, they might as posed as one but don’t let them fool you, “oh but, what about Timothy who is a feral player, and his two buddy’s play mage and priest, oh no Timothy will be in a disadvantage on his 10 “, lets be real, no one is playing weird comps on LFR, and the ones that are doing it, it’s out of despair, that buff was looking good for M+ content for the sub meta comp, I can be argued about this, I’ve seen the comparisons between like, balancing classes around that buff and stuff and I get that, but regardless, we get things going for us so rarely, that sucks to lose it like that

[winter shoal]

Yes, you hardly ever press rampage, and there's a balancing act between spamming BT with burst of power and not overcapping TB. It's nothing crazy, but it does take some active effort to break the muscle memory of how fury has played for the last few years

[summer quail]

we are not mid on live in m+ xD

[dense elbow]

By what metric do we want to argue?

Rio, performance, all the factors?

overall, we are pretty mid

[charred estuary]

I mean we're kinda mid

If I can get to 3350 with no dedicated group we're not like augmentation bad

[inland flame]

As someone who pugs a lot of keys please god don't balance us around an 8% Touch

[plush maple]

THANK YOU!!!! Said it so well!

[dense elbow]

You can get 3.6k with no dedicated group, btw

and as slayer fury

[summer quail]

lets go overall dps. coz timing is a whole different matter, coz you can argue no spec is trash if it comes to timing

[warm crag]

whats diffy

[charred estuary]

Yeah it's just a time dedication

[frozen cosmos]

It's already back to 5%

[inland flame]

I know

[dense elbow]

I arughe we are closer to mid than bottom

[plush maple]

Oof shadow priests are almost extinct

[winter shoal]

I mean obviously things are still up in the air but it's basically all just fishing for TBs so basically you BT over ramp as long as you're still enraged and aren't already at 2xTB. Like I said, it's nothing crazy, but you can easily go 3-4 globals sitting at capped rage where every instinct you have is saying to press rampage, but you really shouldn't

[charred estuary]

Mostly just because of how good disc is

[dense elbow]

SP do struggle with how their crash works atm, miss it or get it misstimed and it is over

I am happy for SP for the coming season

[charred estuary]

Well that and all the good priests are playing disc

[glad coyote]

where is this from?

[summer quail]

20 specs ahead of us and you argue us being closer to mid than bottom?

[plush maple]

I wonder if shadow priest rotation still is complex

[dense elbow]

Yep, we are closer to mid than bottom

[charred estuary]

There's the distance between the positions to factor in too

It's bad but you can get in groups and compete if you are good

People have done it

[dense elbow]

Problem is, when you say compete, we dont really do that. Not even our top dogs do compete on the meters.

[plush maple]

But you have to be able to get in groups first to show you’re good

[dense elbow]

Lets be real here

We can argue we do our job good enough, but compete on the meters?

Nah

[charred estuary]

You're not doing tank damage is all I mean

[dense elbow]

As long you dont look at AoE pulls

sure

[charred estuary]

Like I said it's bad and I want better

But it's not unplayable

[dense elbow]

[summer quail]

on live we don't. dan very close to the others on ptr today

[inland flame]

Idk man have you see Brews on the PTR 😭

[charred estuary]

I mean you know that's an outlier lol

[plush maple]

Tbh competing in real world scenarios is arguably much easier than on paper because you 90% of the time you’re not playing with good players

[charred estuary]

That too

[dense elbow]

Last Dan video I saw, he was pulling 10-20% less overall than his team. I take your word for it tho, we talking him doing 10-11m and his mates 11-12m, or?

[charred estuary]

And if you're in a group with friends who cares you're not gonna lose your spot

[bitter palm]

outlaw so bad

waa

legit gigabusted

spec

[dense elbow]

Outlaw is great, best spec to AP buff

[summer quail]

yeah closer to 10 than 11. there was a key where he was beating the fdk for a while and then he died, had pretty good rng there i think tho

[plush maple]

If only I had a friend static

[glad coyote]

hahaha this isnt true, i lost my spot in premade cause damage can't keep up

[limber oar]

TheUltraEpic is my goat

[olive wraith]

Your group trolled you then

[charred estuary]

I never had a static and got to 3.3k

So what's the issue

[plush maple]

[dense elbow]

Hey - that is great news, being 10-11, while the top dogs are 11-12m is totally fine. As long we aint in the situation of doing 8-9m overall, while others do 11-15m overall. As I have seen more of.

[charred estuary]

100%

[plush maple]

Yunjinfan is THE GOAT

[charred estuary]

We're sandbagging for the 12.0 rework

Long game

[limber oar]

My lord has spoken

[inland flame]

why be good then when can be good now sad face emoji crying face emoji broken heart emoji

[summer quail]

overalls in that new dungeon seem kinda low. this is after finishing a key, idk what happened most of it tho

[dense elbow]

behind mage with monk buff, it is over, so over

[summer quail]

well "finishing" they got right near the end then ported out

[dense elbow]

[radiant plank]

l2p issue

[limber oar]

Sounds like a skill issue to me!

[summer quail]

ah here's an actual complete finished key. still behind the others, if we remove monk buff he loses about 300k(prob a bit less) so 600-700k behind the mage

[dense elbow]

Still a bit far behind the mage, for comfort. As mages will usually have that DH amp. But at least it closer to under 10%, than 20% as on live. So we take the good with the bad

Fury Warrior on live broken btw

opop

[eternal sundial]

That is a horrible

[dense elbow]

[eternal sundial]

Details skin

Jesus

[dense elbow]

Phil toxic, wow

[eternal sundial]

Now show of dam

[eternal sundial]

Ui elitist

That's all

[smoky vale]

hi phil

[dense elbow]

big

[smoky vale]

explode

[eternal sundial]

Do you rlly need the % rather than the names

[eternal sundial]

Meow

[summer quail]

yeah, i think it's not a bad spot to be in. much better than fury has been in for the last 3 seasons. tho maybe i'm just too beaten down from how meh/shit we have been in m+ for a while

[eternal sundial]

S1 Release fury...

Rip dawg

Fuck rashanan

[dense elbow]

100%, we been pretty bad for so long it kinda just work as an overloaded beam. It is fine, till it is not. Even if the stress on the beam remains the same.

[twilit narwhal]

are there any sims for arms and fury considering post last buffs?

I would like to see the ST damage with raid talents of both

[olive wraith]

Nothing updated yet

[dense elbow]

we just waiting for more tuning, before we care to do the work o7

[olive wraith]

#updates-midnight has numbers from after the ionizing buff

[twilit narwhal]

I think execute might be good in prog, Loom'ithar, Fractillus (somewhat) and Araz are good for that

[eternal sundial]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10g479vXesC382k68gw4akUKeuGUodbDho0yhKK6Eh0w/edit?gid=1484407191#gid=1484407191

[twilit narwhal]

I was wondering if massacre for Fury might be useful

[eternal sundial]

Some of it is in

[olive wraith]

Nope

Most of our exe are because of SD

[twilit narwhal]

Arms might be better in some ST fights I suppose

as it was in Mug'zee

[twilit narwhal]

thanks a lot

surprising how Fury beats Arms in straight ST on sims, I thought Slayer Arms tier set was going to dominate, but then again, I'm happy because arms gameplay sucks

[summer quail]

arms pretty bad atm

[olive wraith]

Fury gains a bit more from the 4p

Plus loses less for AJ falling off

[brittle crow]

i think i need a donkey kong pfp

[tame yarrow]

Wasnt there a Chart with the class distribution for M+ title for this season?

[mossy fox]

fwiw im also kinda sandbagging with 0 embellishments cause im too lazy to get them crafted

[dense elbow]

Crit not getting that 1.5m crit? wow

[twilit narwhal]

sorry, what's AJ?

[dense sedge]

Ashen Juggaenaut

[dense elbow]

Ashen Juggernaught, 10% crit per exe for some secs, stacking to 50%

[twilit narwhal]

ahh so when you hit 50% crit there's no point in using it?

[olive wraith]

No you maintain the buff

[tame yarrow]

Crit not playing warrior

[olive wraith]

By pressing exe

[summer quail]

lmao fair, tho embellies are less impactful next season since they don't scale. so only smol sandbag

[radiant plank]

did you end up trying the no rend slarms on ptr

[dense elbow]

Crit not making warrior doomium vidoes

[mossy fox]

well you see blizz keeps giving us special items in slots i have crafted stuff in

[mossy fox]

no

[summer quail]

point i was trying to make is that fury is pretty decent in m+ on ptr

[dense elbow]

Crit skipping out on crit, means crit is

report

[radiant plank]

Dan can vouch for it, it was all he played today on ptr

[tame yarrow]

Oh no

[mossy fox]

i cant see it owning

[inland flame]

Bro no lie next patch is going to feel like Diablo so many slots promised to stuff if you count tier

[dense elbow]

2 embelishments, 4 tier, cape and boots.

that do be a lot

[brittle crow]

cape?

[olive wraith]

We get special cape next season

[dense elbow]

that gets boosted by special boots

[smoky vale]

dw they give last stats than embellishments from df

gm critcake

:3

[spare steppe]

Are boots a very rare drop?

[dense elbow]

No idea

I wont raid, so I wont see em

so not cared to check

[inland flame]

I read somewhere that the cosmetic disenchant mace was the only very rare but I got no idea if that's true

[brittle crow]

oh right im a dumbass 😭

[inland flame]

Just checked. Boots are marked as bonus loot, not very rare, in the journal.

[dense elbow]

I just hope the boots are a 0.1-0.3% dps increase

[inland flame]

50% more often on a proc that Blizz probably wants to make good

idk

[dense elbow]

I guess I gotta fork up some goldies for a guild to boost me then

fbm

[inland flame]

Its either that or pug your way to a hero track one and still try to pretend that you're happy

Also the Dimensius ring but I kinda assume that will only really matter for raid

[dense elbow]

Wasnt aware there was a special ring

what do

[junior gale]

Just get yourself hero track versions

I'm sure myth will be a low upg

[inland flame]

Every time your cloak procs it gives you an absorb for some cosmic damage

[dense elbow]

Absorb cosmic damage, or does cosmic damage when it absorbs?

[inland flame]

.

[dense elbow]

Oh that sounds like raid thing

I can gladly skip that

[inland flame]

Ya I don't think other things normally do cosmic damage. Maybe some stuff in the new Ecodome dungeon? idk

Don't think there's anything else out of raid that matters pending trinket tuning.

[restive saffron]

so far which spec is better guys Arms or Fury for raid?

[dense elbow]

I got my pacemaker and spidertrinky

I am guchi

Based on the Arms doomers coming in here, once in a while, I will say Fury is a tad better

based on the dooming, I guess a % or two.

[inland flame]

Yeah no other normal gear slots do anything special other than boots and ring

[restive saffron]

even in ST?

[dense elbow]

Probably, DoBronx

[restive saffron]

goddamn

[dense elbow]

jump into #arms and they will give you that good info

[restive saffron]

i saw pretty much everyone rank fury F tier for raid

i know that dont mean much but still

[junior gale]

Tier lists are memes

[quiet breach]

can you get tier set gear from using restored coffer key on t8 bountiful chest?

[fading sky]

I mean sims place fury 400k ahead st

[dense elbow]

Fury is F for raid? I get M+ dooming going that hard, but raid?

[junior gale]

And not to be taken seriously

[restive saffron]

lets fucking go

also hold on

wait

[fading sky]

Fury is very good next tier?

In raid

[inland flame]

They were just ranking it F for Fury. Also why Arms ends up in A sometimes.

[fading sky]

Like this tier

[restive saffron]

wait wait the real question is

[fading sky]

Fury was also very good

Esp in prog

[restive saffron]

we gonna play slayer

or mountain?

[olive wraith]

No

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/mm-aha-shocked-gif-14571374171980850856

[summer quail]

slayer raid. thane keys

@restive saffron

[restive saffron]

man i really miss playing slayer in both

i hate Thane so much

[quiet breach]

but u can get tier set gear from doing t8 delves in your weekly vault?

[olive wraith]

Yes delves slots can give tier in vault

[inland flame]

AYO PAUSE THE 2H SWORD FROM NEW DUNGO SITS ON WAIST

[olive wraith]

Boooo. I wanna play both

[restive saffron]

ravager is so boring

i wanna spin man

[olive wraith]

Bs is so boring

It does almost nothing

[summer quail]

thane has

[fading sky]

U can play both?

[summer quail]

case closed

[dense elbow]

You can just play Slayer, tho.

Also, no - Thane is boring

[fading sky]

15% buff to bs

[olive wraith]

[dense elbow]

15% of 0, is 0

[fading sky]

So 15% of 0 is still zero

Lol

Just make every spin of bladestorm reap

So we go reap reap reap reap

[olive wraith]

You tryna get us nerfed again?

[quiet breach]

THIS

[restive saffron]

u telling me this better than bladestorm?

[dense elbow]

Why would that nerf us?

[restive saffron]

fym

[fading sky]

At 50%

[quiet breach]

yes

[olive wraith]

BOOOM CLAP

[quiet breach]

in terms of coolness yes

and swagger

[restive saffron]

u guys boring

[quiet breach]

and satisfaction

[fading sky]

Clappa is lightning

[summer quail]

correct

[fading sky]

Clappa wins

[restive saffron]

Spin spin spin>Boom clap

[fading sky]

Problem is spin is so weak

[quiet breach]

spin is coo but like

being a thunder god is too based

[olive wraith]

I like my abilities to feel impactful

[restive saffron]

thats what im saying

[dense elbow]

Soub weak, but we spin often

[restive saffron]

we need spin great again

[fading sky]

Thane feels rly impactfull

In my dreams

Thane also spinny boy

[summer quail]

spin pretty good on ptr. spin so much as slayer that it ends up being your highest overall in m+

[dense elbow]

Hey, at least Spin feels impactful, if you get reap god RNG

so yay?

[inland flame]

Make bladestorm stack haste that sticks around for 10s or sumn idk, altho that goes against the design of it being the burst option

[olive wraith]

I mean when you tb it actually feels like you’re doing damage

[summer quail]

spin good and fun but is something else

[olive wraith]

When you bs your meters don’t move

[dense elbow]

Nah, you go from 8m to 8.1m

there is some movement

[chilly fractal]

Reap reap motherfucka! Reap reap god damn!

[fading sky]

Imagine bladestorm but u thunderclap evrry spin

Imagine that

[dense elbow]

Would look fancy at least

[fading sky]

Yea

Clap clap clap

[quiet breach]

GIVE SMF TURBO HASTE BUFF

[chilly fractal]

Imagine playing Warrior where you blast every rampage

[quiet breach]

or delete from game plz

[olive wraith]

Just send out tiny vortex as you spin

Boom Diablo barb

[fading sky]

Id wish they deleted powerfull

[winter shoal]

Why

Just don't take it

If you don't like it

[dense elbow]

smack-POW, smack-POW,smack-POW,smack-POW

[fading sky]

Nah

Its just i want cds to feel good

Rotation feels good

Now cds need same

[olive wraith]

“Remove everything from the tree that I never take”

[fading sky]

And bladestorm is fury thing

[olive wraith]

Is it

[fading sky]

U take powerfull

[winter shoal]

FWIW last I saw, frenzied is better than powerful next patch

[fading sky]

I mean it wasnt. But like rav makes sense on arms

[winter shoal]

Also even now frenzied is sometimes better dependent on gear, and for me it's only like a 0.5% dps difference

[olive wraith]

Ravager is just a warrior thing now

[fading sky]

U wanna.empower ya ms

[dense elbow]

Ravager is slowly being turned into a passive proc

just sayin

[fading sky]

Sadly y

[orchid dagger]

PvE moment

[bitter palm]

i mean

thane would benefit

from prot passive ravager

[orchid dagger]

I'm not going to be able to drop Rav on a flag because pve players cry about ravager

[bitter palm]

pvp

[modest condor]

that makes about as much sense as saying that execute is slowly being turned into an ability that doesnt need whirlwind to cleave

[dense elbow]

[olive wraith]

Oh no talking pve in the pve chat

Who coulda thunk

[warm crag]

true

[winter shoal]

Isn't exe kind of the exact opposite bc the slayers strike and MFE buff decidedly DONT cleave

[bitter palm]

balls strike

[dense elbow]

Imagine if execute did just passive splash its damage tho 66% uncapped splash damage

[modest condor]

im just saying that saying ravager is slowly turning into a passive proc because prot got a choice node that lets it be a passive proc is kinda weird

[dense elbow]

[heavy galleon]

Imagine even MM hunter are now cap target 8 🤣

[winter shoal]

Sorry my brain is rotten from reading fury chat this morning

[dense elbow]

[earnest canyon]

Just this morning?

[olive wraith]

You have brain? As warrior. Humble brag much

[inland flame]

Pretty sure mine's been turned to pulp from Bladestorming too much.

[gleaming siren]

just this morning?

[dense elbow]

Fury not in S?

[inland flame]

Sury Warrior

[dense elbow]

That is a terrible tierlist

[olive wraith]

Guardian should be in b

[dense elbow]

Guardian clearly should be in G

you cant fight it

[olive wraith]

Nah

[modest condor]

slurry warrior

[olive wraith]

Everyone calls them bears

[junior gale]

Let's go Windwalker W

[dense elbow]

W indeed

[silk wharf]

To be fair, thats the msot accurate tier list I have ever seen.

[flat river]

i saw that on reddit lol

[inland flame]

Yeeeee

[dense elbow]

My fav tierlist so far, is just some rando spinning a wheel

[flat river]

xd

[modest condor]

so naowh's tierlist

[tepid cedar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSx5aZEqJvk

this guys gets it!!!

single minded fury guide. i knewwww we have been playing wrong asll along

[dense elbow]

is that a 18min video, for saying "follow this order:"?

[limber oar]

The low effort thumbnail brings a tear to my eye @storm birch

[tepid cedar]

ohh shit hes in here

fucking legend

[fading sky]

V for void elf fury warrior

[winter shoal]

People are allergic to writing clear and concise scripts for videos I think

[dense elbow]

To be fair, different format for different ppl, no harm is done.

[winter shoal]

Yeah for sure

Not like there's a shortage of guides out there anyways so people can find one that makes sense and is most helpful to them

[bitter palm]

naowh rando

[earnest canyon]

Speaking of Naowh, he really joined Method, huh... Sco must have deep pockets or something

[winter shoal]

Or they just don't require him to do as much prep that he doesn't want to do

[inland flame]

I have no idea, really, of how close Method is going to be to top 2 this time, but a 3-man race is more fun than a 1v1.

[winter shoal]

I heard the echo roster took some Ls but they also poached Cere so idk

[earnest canyon]

Yeah he said he hated that and the travel. Echo removed the travel part I guess

[winter shoal]

My uncle John Blizzard said liquid are gonna win for sure

[inland flame]

All chips in on John Blizzard's call

Man I hope Blizz cooked hard on Dimensius

[earnest canyon]

I mean they start a day early so of course they will win 😉

[winter shoal]

Very real and true

[inland flame]

It's aight Echo will call a hit on their internet or sumn

[fading sky]

I just want secret phade

Phase

Best bosses to watch😆

Or fyrakk like ending

Heck jailor as well

[earnest canyon]

Yeah I'd love to see a secret phase even though I'll never experience it when it's current content. But blizzard said they are against making content only a very small part of the player base will experience

[fading sky]

I mean a lot of ppl experience it

During race

[earnest canyon]

Yeah but they sadly won't count that

[fading sky]

Tindral + fyrakk fantastic bosses to watch

Esp fyrakk

[earnest canyon]

Agree

[fading sky]

So secret phase isnt a must, but treat race as a chance to make money and get out there

Sry but mugzee and gally not an interresting watch

Liked watcin stix and sprock more

[earnest canyon]

I didn't watch anywhere near as much of last race due to personal stuff, but it always sucks when penultimate boss is the end boss

[chrome wraith]

How we doing on ptr boys?

[winter shoal]

Fine

[earnest canyon]

No clue

[chrome wraith]

It's joever

[earnest canyon]

Stay in here for half a day and the world is ending apparently 🤣

[hushed gust]

I’m not the best authority, so someone else please correct me if I’m wrong. From what I know, though, it seems Arms is kinda just the better spec again this time around. In an overall sense, at least. I know raid might have a boss or two to make fury shine more.

[winter shoal]

Absolutely not lmao

Arms is like 10% behind on single target rn (comparing slayer fury to slayer arms raid specs)

Colossus and thane are pretty similar in aoe afaik but thane has slightly better single target

I would say fury is good but not great in both raid and M+, arms is good but not great in keys and on the lower end in raid

[hushed gust]

Good to know. As I said, I’m more than welcome to correction on that front.

[drowsy heron]

I would be surprised if we didn't see some more tuning before season start for both arms and fury

[winter shoal]

Yeah there's certainly going to be more tuning still, and very likely tuning in one direction or another for both warrior specs

[hushed gust]

Just to keep the Hopium alive, OF buff, maybe.

[winter shoal]

Surely

Just keep huffin on that good good

[hushed gust]

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. It’ll eventually happen XD

[storm birch]

oh i didn't expect to see this here lmao

[storm birch]

zug zug

[dense elbow]

Fury opop confirmed

[earnest canyon]

Reported

[storm birch]

I was just testing slayer in a 14 priory to mess around. This ish feels kinda good ngl

[midnight sierra]

uncap fury

[storm birch]

Bladestorm is kinda bumpin

[inland flame]

Don't have to worry about Thane tuning if you just play Slayer 5head

[chrome wraith]

That's one bad frost dk

[storm birch]

I moved a couple choice nodes to buff Bladestorm since the Cd gets reduced so fast. The bladestorms are legit cooking

it actually feels kinda solid o.O

[winter shoal]

Surely you don't mean culling cyclone

[dense elbow]

Choice nodes to buff bladestorm?

we got those?

[remote bobcat]

culling cyclone is so funny

[storm birch]

The one in the keystone

[dense elbow]

To be fair, if you dont rampage within the period after the BS, you do gain dam

The one that reduces BS dam by 30%?

[storm birch]

hold please

[dense elbow]

holding

[storm birch]

Oh yea culling cyclone

[winter shoal]

[winter shoal]

Culling cyclone is not an aoe dps gain

Brutal finish is

[bitter palm]

culling is st

[dense elbow]

Culling aint even a ST gain

wdum

[bitter palm]

dmg is split

[remote bobcat]

"generate 10 additional rage" is the biggest meme

[storm birch]

well that's not what my target dummies told me 😢

[winter shoal]

Over not having anything at all it is

[bitter palm]

what if this

during spear

2 bs

[dense elbow]

mah gawd

[remote bobcat]

NO

[storm birch]

BS during spear felt really good too . Idk kinda cooks

[winter shoal]

Can you even fit 2bs in spear?

[dense elbow]

Time to 2x BS inside spear window

[bitter palm]

no clue

[dense elbow]

You should be able to, no?

[bitter palm]

im yapping

[winter shoal]

With frenzied you probably can

Arms can't for sure

[bitter palm]

arms cant fit one bladestorm

xdddd

[winter shoal]

[dense elbow]

[remote bobcat]

arms bladestorm is the biggest joke

i hate that button sm

[storm birch]

CC isn't prolly good in lower pull count dungeons but there's no way it's not better in 8 targets or more no ?

[winter shoal]

Unironically I think 2xBS is a dps loss tho bc you miss a BF ramp

[winter shoal]

It adds the same amount of damage regardless of target count

The wording is very bad

[remote bobcat]

not if culling for the memes

[winter shoal]

It adds as much damage on 1t as 20t

[remote bobcat]

ye

[storm birch]

oh so basically just buffs bs by 10%?

[winter shoal]

Yes but no

[modest condor]

no it makes you do 10% of a bladestorm damage split between enemies

if bs does 100 damage to 1 target, with cc it will do 110 damage to that target

on 5 targets it will do 510 damage

[storm birch]

hmm

ok

Math

[dense elbow]

2X bs in spear, 5 targets:

[storm birch]

I was bsing in a 14 priory wipe fest (key words wipe fest) but this dmg split was funny to me

[dense elbow]

Big dam

[winter shoal]

PTR or live?

[marble pilot]

What happened to the 4.7

[storm birch]

PTR

[dense elbow]

Reduce the dam of BS, dont have unhinged, and the value of OF starts to go up!

[marble pilot]

I know thats like 3 seconds of combat

Honestly we doom a lot in here but im looking forward to season 3. I like the thane clap resets. And slayer looks fun as well with the reap procs.

[dense elbow]

reap procs...

make it fun?

You meant to slayer strikes

ye?

Surely

[modest condor]

oh no you triggered funky

[marble pilot]

I dont really play slayer. Whatever the 4 set proc is. I need to look again. I stopped caring what slayer does when tblast reset on proc

[dense elbow]

Noone is saying (4) makes slayer more fun

aint no way

[marble pilot]

Well I know my bait for the next 2 weeks

[modest condor]

the 4set reap procs are weak

they are 150% damage but the proc chance doesnt scale with target count while the bt one does

so on 5 targets rb reaps do 1.5x damage while bt reaps do almost 3.5x damage

[dense elbow]

Wonder what %mod would be needed to turn on my brain and release dopamine

[marble pilot]

Being honest I only said reap cause i saw it on the damage breakdown on the screen shot. I wasnt actually thinking about the tier set

[inland flame]

Passive damage procs 💤

[modest condor]

reap in itself is great yeah

[dense elbow]

What if: on SD proc, you reap for 200% dam

You get to press the button, dam is concentrated

sounds a lot more fun

[oblique thistle]

Nah don't change slayer tier it's perfect as is 👍

[storm birch]

@modest condor so in larger pull count dungeons would CC be possibly worthy? The 15% to our bladestorm damage is what had me wanting to try it

[dense elbow]

send help

[inland flame]

You need to wait for Storm of Steel to get off cooldown

Hope this helps

[dense elbow]

its 3 min tho

[inland flame]

This is why god invented youtube

[modest condor]

but i just explained that that's not how it works and it only gets worse as you add more targets

[dense elbow]

Storm of Steel only would work, if the dungeon had 3min downtime between every use of 2x BS, for some reason

its such a bad talent

holey

[modest condor]

on 1 target it's a 10% damage increase on bladestorm, on 5 targets it's a 2% damage increase

[storm birch]

ohhh

ok i see

[dense elbow]

They could grant BS a 2nd charge, just for funsies tho, wouldnt even be broken

[storm birch]

i read it wrong after i understood it wrong

double whammy

[oblique thistle]

Could you imagine this for s3 thane

[dense elbow]

Thane doesnt bladestorm tho

[modest condor]

you know

since ravager does fuckall damage

nvm

[inland flame]

It would if they gave you 2 of them compared to 1 Ravager

[dense elbow]

fuckall dam, with 3x unhinged? hmmm

[storm birch]

oh btw i meant the 15% buff from last patch notes wasn't saying CC is 15% buff i realize i wrote that weird

[modest condor]

i was thinking getting an extra ravager is bigger unhinged damage

but they're a choice node

[oblique thistle]

Oh I'm stupid I thought you typed BT not BS

Literally blind

[dense elbow]

2x Rav at once, infinite Ramp spam

big win

[modest condor]

real

[dense elbow]

You would get a ton of blast procs tho

right?

[inland flame]

Blast charges just chillin in the corner awkwardly

[dense elbow]

New meta for dungs, just dont AoE pull for 3min

[inland flame]

Just make it so there's only 1 trash pull between each boss ez

[dense elbow]

How much dam can you do inside the Mother dam window with spear, 2x Rav, unhinged tho

Maybe it is something

...

i blame the heat

I keep forgetting it is either unhinged or 2x

I just want a hype theoretical idea

[inland flame]

Being able to have both would be an interesting way to make 2x more worth it

[charred estuary]

Just make it baseline for slayer ezpz

[compact knot]

bro how the fuck does frost get a 12% nerf and it stills the best spec

[fading sky]

Just rework things

Its raidbuff is dmg

[modest condor]

5% of that is our dmg btw

[inland flame]

Blizzard overcooking reworks what else is new

[fading sky]

I mean let fdk shine

[winter shoal]

fdk kinda fun lowkey

[fading sky]

Pull em.back slowly

[upper bane]

no fuck dks

[iron portal]

no they fuck you

[inland flame]

I'm torn. On one hand they're dealing with the raid buff meme but on the other hand it's been such a good DK xpac so far.

[drowsy heron]

Crit cake pulling decent numbers on ptr arm

[inland flame]

I def don't mind a Frost rework tho old Frost never clicked for me

[orchid dagger]

Is FDK dual wielding or 2h?

[iron portal]

How was season 2 good for DK?

[inland flame]

I've heard its close on PTR rn

[orchid dagger]

Because I'm a 2h enjoyer

[inland flame]

For 2H vs dual-weild

Unholy is great rn what do you mean

[drowsy heron]

Dw is more optimal with all the builds but 2h isn't far behind. I think it was less than 5% last I heard

[winter shoal]

It's like 1-2% difference between them rn according to Waalpen

[winter shoal]

New breath feels way better than old breath imo

[iron portal]

at least in raid it took them awhile till they took off

but in m+ they blasted that I can give you

[inland flame]

I'm too much of a normie adult to raid so my brain always goes to M+

Oh not in a mean way

I mean like I don't want extra commitments

[drowsy heron]

Raid is easy in wow. Just a bigger time commitment

[iron portal]

I would argue taht m+ takes more time overall

[inland flame]

Yea with work and I play DnD too raid is just off the table rn tbh

[iron portal]

if you are chasing score

[inland flame]

What I need is the flex

[drowsy heron]

Only reason I don't push to get into a CE guild is cause I play FFXIV

[inland flame]

Just the idea of more "I have to be here at this set time" is a hard no atm

[orchid dagger]

What I need is Blizz to not balance solely around raid

[fickle cedar]

its hard to have both sadly

[clever path]

Oh no brother let me tell you something

[orchid dagger]

Playing FF14 in the year of our Lord 2025

[glad coyote]

they should just make 2 profiles raid/open world and m+

[upper bane]

if your a dk, shaman, mage or ret pally you love this xpac

[glad coyote]

been saying it for 2 xpac now

[drowsy heron]

I've been a xiv player since 2013. That's my forever mmo

[orchid dagger]

I'm sorry

[clever path]

Dude bottom line is….. men fury just straight up sucks

[queen panther]

Stop ur breaking my heart 😭

[drowsy heron]

Not sure why you would be. Game is great and gives me crazy flexibility to play other games

[fickle cedar]

balancing 39 specs in 3 different modes is insane though

[orchid dagger]

Because FF14 is trash lmao

[upper bane]

They had to make DK good after Wrath classic to entice all the wrath players

[clever path]

Friend they can increase the target cap on fury and not mess with raid

[drowsy heron]

I mean. Same could be said about wow. Both games have their strengths and weaknesses

[fickle cedar]

oh i wish it too but it probably messes with raid, they could be doing a better job at it thats for sure

[clever path]

One thing is clear, the only weakness wow has, is fury warriors

[drowsy heron]

Wow has a Lot of problems. Fury is just one of many

[upper bane]

being a melee player in 2025 is rough

dk doesnt count

[fickle cedar]

ret tho

[orchid dagger]

Ret doesn't count

[fickle cedar]

"melee" tho

[upper bane]

also that spec

[orchid dagger]

That class is literally ranged

[drowsy heron]

Was gonna say ret might be on that list too lol

[orchid dagger]

Larping as melee

[upper bane]

14 million rets its like that buzz lightyear meme

[clever path]

Yet one one bats an eye at those 2, but iowanaseeafurydoingdmg

[orchid dagger]

All in T2 or T2 with extra pixels

[drowsy heron]

Crit cake playing fury gives me hope that we're not as bad as the doomers say

[dense elbow]

Then you watch Critcake play Fury

and you right back to dooming

[orchid dagger]

Kek

[fickle cedar]

people are dooming so much here its insane lol

[dense elbow]

Cant blame em, really

[winter shoal]

It's just that one guy

[dense elbow]

we been pretty down and bad for a long time

[upper bane]

we’re something of experts at dooming

[winter shoal]

He's cooking Billy wym

[drowsy heron]

Which mage spec is the op one?

[winter shoal]

arcane, fire also pretty good but it's all pad I think

[upper bane]

Warlocks though are the professional doomers and sand baggers. Always whining and somehow always doing well

[drowsy heron]

Ok cause he was beating a frost mage in his last run

[steep fable]

Kalamazi effect

[drowsy heron]

Still 2 mil behind mm but that's expected atm

[dense elbow]

Nah, I dooming

[winter shoal]

Yeah MM is a massive outlier in keys rn

Going to get shot in next ptr build surely

Why get worked up about it

[dense elbow]

fury opop

fury meta

omg

omg

[inland flame]

Crit linked a spreadsheet that has about half of the spec combos simmed out on ST and Diabolist Demo is top spot by quite a bit

[drowsy heron]

Thats pretty good

[clever path]

Oh no brother, we are getting gutted next PTR build

[inland flame]

Arms Col is the bottom

[winter shoal]

You guys act like the pug groups you're going to be running with are the same as pug groups of top 10 io streamers and MDI champions and shit

[dense elbow]

Cause based on historic datapoints, you can take a fair guess we will still end up - at being that chunk behind

So ppl doom

and I wont blame em for it

[winter shoal]

Literally go into a random pug on PTR and it will actually be representative of the pugs you'll be in on live once patch drops

You can do it whenever

PTR is free

You can just log in

Don't even need an active sub

[fickle cedar]

150 ping moment

[iron portal]

Dont you?

[winter shoal]

Play the game yourself instead of parroting someone else's dooming

[iron portal]

I was sure even for ptr you need sub

[dense elbow]

I base my dooming on my own testing

🤷

[winter shoal]

Idk a few years ago I played PTR without an active sub but maybe it's changed

[fickle cedar]

is the tier set fun for thane or ?

[winter shoal]

My point still stands

[winter shoal]

If you like clappa yeah

[upper bane]

classic

[drowsy heron]

Yes, and it's hard carrying our AOE atm

[iron portal]

rule number one

You dont want to be top spec at start of season

[fading sky]

M8

Doesnt apply for warrior

We get stick

[dense elbow]

And so does mine. Just let people who doom, doom. They got their reasons.

[iron portal]

It does cause i remember TWICE when fury got hamered for being too strong early on

[winter shoal]

I mean I agree, it just bothers me when people argue about things they genuinely know nothing about

[fading sky]

Thats not coz we were top

[queen panther]

Hey not our fault they made a perfect raid for fury warriors 😬

[fading sky]

It was a badly planned raid

[dense elbow]

Fair, but - it is not like there isnt a reason they doom.

[winter shoal]

Like I have no quarrel with you Funky, I know you're a significantly-above-average player who knows what you're talking about

But when people watch a tier list and come in here saying we're doomed without knowing shit about fuck

Like come on man

Try a little bit

[radiant plank]

Prot warrior tier

[fading sky]

100%

[dense elbow]

I am just waiting for the Critcake dooming click video

[drowsy heron]

I mean. That's the internet in a nutshell lol

[dense elbow]

Going to be at least 30k free views

[fading sky]

Nah most fury//arms doomers are gettik rekt

[winter shoal]

Me when yoda tier list says prot warrior is in the bin (I have not played prot in a key since prepatch)

[fickle cedar]

sandbagging works

[dense elbow]

Yoda tierlist = The most clickbaity take, will be the take

"PROT WARRIOR OP?!?!?!?!"

"PROT WARRIOR DEAD?!?!?!?!?

[olive wraith]

Fbv nerfs absolutely killed pwar now there is no (over)healing

[winter shoal]

Yoda literally says in his vids that he hasn't played with many warriors so he doesn't know where they stand and he just has them at the bottom as placeholder

So naturally people come in here saying fury is the worst spec to ever exist

Despite having been buffed 20% overnight

[pine gust]

20% of 0 is still 0

[dense elbow]

If you aint #1 you are a loser

[pine gust]

[winter shoal]

Real and true

[vernal laurel]

Yo, ptr down

Patch notes today?

[dense elbow]

we know, Alla

[vernal laurel]

I did not, a little bit hype*

[dense elbow]

no notes today, our hope got snatched away

all is doom

and gloom

[radiant plank]

I can promise you that the people who come here to complain are not Yodas audience

[inland flame]

Furiously spamming F5 waiting for the Prot Thane nerf stray or the magical buff

Heaven or Hell, let's rock!

[radiant plank]

I know exactly who all these complainers watch

[winter shoal]

Does it start with an M

[radiant plank]

and they just echo their shitty feedback about why fury bad

[dense elbow]

You be suprised how many times I have corrected Yoda fans in #protection, heck it is basically a daily occurence

[queen panther]

Waiting for the infamous buff reverts they like to do for warriors

[radiant plank]

ok but thats prot and not fury

[midnight sierra]

YouTube and twitch are just the easiest medium in which people get their information, for obvious reasons, and they’re often without context. I mean that goes for a ton of stuff

[clever path]

Maybe you only play 1 part of the game wich I guess is raid, due to your uneducated takes on the state of fury warr during this day, but let me tell you something , as of right now, fury it’s indeed doomed on M+ content gentlemen

[dense elbow]

Yoda spreading out to DPS tierlist, is nightmare fuel

[fading sky]

Not quite true we most the seismic bug dmg

[radiant plank]

P, M, V, I and few others

[winter shoal]

HOLY I'm uneducated

real

[clever path]

On raid it’s very good, but M+, sadly just sucks

[midnight sierra]

you’ve been doing this all day man give it a rest

just baiting constantly

[winter shoal]

Seismic bug has been fixed since the start of PTR

[fading sky]

Still

Cooked

[radiant plank]

M+ fury sucks whilst thane is performinh same as every other not overtuned spec on ptr

[fading sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761040892970139649.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[clever path]

Ppl saying stop dooming only play raid fury

[winter shoal]

Do you people not realize how massive the imp ww change was for fury aoe lmao