the maxroll guide says to just use BT when adds are below 35% health so Im confused by how strict I have to play with it in M+
#fury
summer quail
the maxroll guide says to just use BT when adds are below 35% health so Im confu...
that's not all it says tho
sharp bluff
that's not all it says tho
besides the 85%
im talking about when adds health gets to 35%
summer quail
yea apl says to use bt at certain crit chance even at 35% so weakaura just follows that
tight idol
Nah it’s not that bad
undone flower
and the apl says to BT at certain targets number (6)
undone flower
yeah idk which number now, i know it is not updated
winter shoal
Think it's 3 or 4, can never remember
undone flower
and even lower next season big guess
undone flower
i never remember the exact number bc i just : BT when there is a bunch of shitters in front of me x)
haughty cypress
Is fury similar to outlaw when it comes to apm?
junior gale
its generally pretty up there yeah
modest condor
for thane it's 3 on live, probably 1 on ptr
haughty cypress
Bro why are all the high apm classes rn performing the worst
olive wraith
Because that’s how tuning is
junior gale
its ok as long as phys comp exists warrior will exist
winter shoal
for thane it's 3 on live, probably 1 on ptr
1 target or 1 additional (2 total)?
When I simmed bt > ramp for thane single target it was still slightly behind. In VC range you almost certainly do though
summer quail
Is fury similar to outlaw when it comes to apm?
bit slower but one of the closest to outlaw yeah
summer quail
Bro why are all the high apm classes rn performing the worst
havoc performing pretty good
winter shoal
Also ret
plush zephyr
Fire mage ain’t too bad
winter shoal
Fdk not too high apm either
olive wraith
Fire/arcane are pretty high I think
sudden tusk
modest condor
When I simmed bt > ramp for thane single target it was still slightly behind. In...
i thought we were talking about bt > rb
idk about ramp i already told you
plush zephyr
Fire/arcane are pretty high I think
Feel like I’m chilling as arcane compared to sf fire mage
winter shoal
i thought we were talking about bt > rb
Oh you might be right idk I joined late
olive wraith
Ye fire def is higher
But arcane is decent iirc
Haven’t looked at the apm recently
undone flower
Is fury similar to outlaw when it comes to apm?
if that can help
undone flower
it's 60 for arcane, so no difference with frost
https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/TWW2_Raid.html
table of content -> Action per minute
undone flower
(there is 60 seconds per minute if you want some context)
olive wraith
Oh really? I had no clue
summer quail
for every minute that passes in africa 60 seconds pass in europe
sour frigate
olive wraith
How long is an hour
sour frigate
In african seconds or europe minutes?
olive wraith
Let’s go Europe minutes
summer quail
How long is an hour
0.0416667 days(european days)
sour frigate
olive wraith
Dude an hour is so short wtf
How does eu always win rwf with such little time
How many days is that in American
summer quail
How does eu always win rwf with such little time
we look at other continents days since they are in the future. i've won the lottery everytime by doing this
undone flower
it is so easy to win the lottery
dusky moon
if that can help
Dev: 103
olive wraith
Is dev still lowest apm
summer quail
yeah by quite a bit
undone flower
they tapped until the last tick and cancelled
olive wraith
For empowered
undone flower
i was not taling about empowered spells
olive wraith
I know mouth beam is channeled
south kayak
There are two empowered spelled and one channel
Very low apm lol
You can alt tab between beams
inland flame
I do think Flameshaper is a lot of fun because you have a bunch of extra instant casts, esp on aoe
Makes it feel a lot faster
quiet breach
if u complete an m+ but don't time it do you always receive half the crests you would've if you timed? what about valorstones?
quiet breach
It's not half crests though it's like 2/3 innit
is there anything that can vary the amount u receive for a bricked completed key?
besides the key level
winter shoal
Idk I haven't bricked a key in months
inland flame
Just level and whether it's timed is all that matters
quiet breach
what key level do I have to do to guarantee I get at least 8 gilded crests regardless if I brick it or not?
inland flame
lol I actually can't find it what
I have it in my head that it's -5 for a deplete but I'm not sure
limber oar
inland flame
Yea but what about if you deplete what the question
inland flame
Thar she blows
quiet breach
this means +8 guarentees 8
limber oar
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pLpQSCIV9_P_89MExObd5tOc_Ce2WFa5xCMd0Y4eHgc/edit?gid=0#gid=0
spreadsheet also updated for s3
in case anyone wants to see it
limber oar
honestly didnt even read the note too busy watching Mr. Robot lmfao
iron plaza
Reap the storm huh ? more like piss the storm
Slayer's 4p is so bad, procs like twice or three times in a pack
winter shoal
Slayer's 4p is so bad, procs like twice or three times in a pack
You don't rb in aoe you doofus
Rb reap proc chance from 4p doesn't scale with target count like BT does
undone flower
4p is ST focus
uneven path
Reap is great on ST 
undone flower
It does more damage than without 4p
uneven path
undone flower
Well it is still more idk
iron plaza
The 4p should just increase the damage of Reap by 50% regardless if it procs from BT or RB
undone flower
4 being about RB is ST, they put the reap thing only to not have RB does more
iron plaza
4 being about RB is ST, they put the reap thing only to not have *RB does more*
Mate Reap does meaningful damage on AoE, It does no damage on ST
uneven path
idk weird approach, you could've make RB proc slayer strike, or have chance to proc it.
iron plaza
If it procced Slayer's strike sure it was ST focused
undone flower
Being about RB means it is ST focus, not the reap component
iron plaza
More like their intention is to make Slayer focus on RB and Execute
undone flower
Slayer is about RB and execute, in ST
iron plaza
But Reap is an AoE tool
uneven path
If anything I would say 4p is trying to make RB aoe usable
undone flower
And BT and execute, in AoE
undone flower
If anything I would say 4p is trying to make RB aoe usable
It is usable, since BT have a CD
iron plaza
This doesn't make any sense idk why you are coping, If they made RB proc Slayer's strike sure it was ST focused but It's Reap, and Reap is an AoE tool of Slayer it does a bit more than auto attack on ST
iron plaza
It is usable, since BT have a CD
Well unless I am outdated on this, I think the Slayer tier set makes execute high prio with even one mark stack
olive wraith
This doesn't make any sense idk why you are coping, If they made RB proc Slayer'...
Did you read the tuning changes by chance
undone flower
Well unless I am outdated on this, I think the Slayer tier set makes execute hig...
Yes it seems it goes into that direction
iron plaza
Did you read the tuning changes by chance
Which one, the recent one with Bladestorm and whirlwind buffs?
iron plaza
How does have that anything to do with Reap
olive wraith
Reap is aoe
undone flower
Reap is the sustained of slayer
south kayak
I think the chance for reap to proc from RB should just be increased
iron plaza
Reap is it's own source of damage it doesn't scale with whirlwind cleaving
olive wraith
Right but doesn’t it hit aoe
south kayak
Since it’s only one target
iron plaza
Reap is the sustained of slayer
Sure but It's doing less than Whirlwind
With an RB focused build
So why does 4p exist
south kayak
Are you acting like ww is shit or
iron plaza
So hero talent exclusive tool should do less damage than baseline ability
bitter palm
slayer lmao
olive wraith
Not sure the target count
bitter palm
CLAPPA 
iron plaza
Are you acting like ww is shit or
No I am straight up saying that 4p of Slayer is shit
Look at Thane's 4p
olive wraith
So hero talent exclusive tool should do less damage than baseline ability
Rb is at the top isn’t it
iron plaza
It's cinema
south kayak
You’re not wrong
south kayak
But overall it’s a good set
uneven path
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1396487233779007658/im...
MT ?
iron plaza
Rb is at the top isn’t it
Yes because I tested this with full RB focused build and had only bloodcraze
bitter palm
ye look details name
south kayak
Doesn’t matter if 4p is worse
bitter palm
clappa =
iron plaza
But overall it’s a good set
2p is but 4p is trash
undone flower
In aoe bt increases in prio
Yes, with 3 targets you BT > RB 
uneven path
CLAPPA for the win
undone flower
Bc reap
south kayak
2p is but 4p is trash
Doesn’t matter tbh
uneven path
clappa = <:blast:1248120836813226099>
btw can you show your dmg breakdown ?
iron plaza
Doesn’t matter tbh
I don't understand really if we are going to prio BT anyway on AoE then why does this 4p exist ?
undone flower
Idk having bladestorm every 10 sec is a thing
south kayak
btw can you show your dmg breakdown ?
It’s TB, rampage then BT
iron plaza
It’s just focused more for st
But Reap is an AoE tool if 4p procced Slayer's strike sure I would agree with you
south kayak
I don't understand really if we are going to prio BT anyway on AoE then why does...
Because the 4p doesn’t scale off cleave
That’s BT only
olive wraith
It’s free damage when you rb
undone flower
I don't understand really if we are going to prio BT anyway on AoE then why does...
We already prio BT in AoE, both slayer and thane, right now
uneven path
It’s TB, rampage then BT
Yeh I guess it make sense that Ramp is under TB with current tier set
smoky vale
tb>ramp=bt
hi
uneven path
tb>ramp=bt
ramp=bt ? Really wouldn't expect that
south kayak
I think it should be 30% for reap from RB
smoky vale
i miss raging blow57
iron plaza
We already prio BT in AoE, both slayer and thane, right now
I know, but the whole point of this set is to make RB higher prio than BT for Slayer regardless if it's AOE or ST; but It's greatly failling at that
bitter palm
vc omega fucks
south kayak
ramp=bt ? Really wouldn't expect that
It’s always higher for me
bitter palm
i miss raging blow57
i dont
south kayak
Idk he it’s the same for him
olive wraith
I know, but the whole point of this set is to make RB higher prio than BT for Sl...
The tier boosts execute and rb
iron plaza
The tier boosts execute and rb
I wouldn't call 10% boost but sure
south kayak
I know, but the whole point of this set is to make RB higher prio than BT for Sl...
It isn’t
undone flower
I know, but the whole point of this set is to make RB higher prio than BT for Sl...
It is not to make RB change prio, BT has almost 100% reap proc with 5 targets
olive wraith
The tier tuning increases bt prio on aoe
bitter palm
i do feel like i ramp too much
olive wraith
I wouldn't call 10% boost but sure
10% buff to our most used ability?
uneven path
It’s always higher for me
Yeh I would expect Ramp > BT
iron plaza
It is not to make RB change prio, BT has almost 100% reap proc with 5 targets
That's not how it works with cleaving and BT's proc chance, It's capped to 50% or 60% chance
uneven path
VC is really good, bot not that good, but again I belive him
uneven path
It is in overall
Yeh
iron plaza
They want you to still press BT
Okay then why not just do what I said, make it increase the damage of Reap regardless if it procs by RB or BT
bitter palm
maybe I'm not rampaging enough idk tbh
south kayak
Okay then why not just do what I said, make it increase the damage of Reap regar...
🤷♂️
bitter palm
during spear im just spamming tb bt fishing for tb
uneven path
maybe I'm not rampaging enough idk tbh
Plus depends how tank pulls
olive wraith
The bulk of the tiers pier is indeed the 2p
bitter palm
ye
undone flower
That's not how it works with cleaving and BT's proc chance, It's capped to 50% o...
I made exagerated bc the 4p is not even close
olive wraith
You still high prio rb and exe
uneven path
Without chaining I could see BT doing same dmg as ramp
south kayak
I don’t think it matters what part of the set is the stronger as long as it’s strong overall
iron plaza
But the 4p still gives us value
But the value seems so minimum, you look at other classes and their tier sets, They are crazy strong
Like Thane's
south kayak
Slayers is also crazy strong
bitter palm
fury*
olive wraith
With slayer
bitter palm
first good set
summer quail
Slayers is also crazy strong
2p yes
south kayak
Just because 2p is stronger doesn’t mean it’s not good
summer quail
HAHAH
south kayak
The whole fucking set is strong
olive wraith
4p is like a 4-5% increase still
bitter palm
make it ramp
south kayak
I’m gonna sleep
iron plaza
2p is strong but doesn't mean the whole set is good
bitter palm
per ramp hit
south kayak
I’m losing it
iron plaza
More rb damage and stronger aoe
Not really that's the thing
undone flower
I’m gonna sleep
Yes idk why they seems to think we play with 2 p only or 4p effect only…
olive wraith
Wdym not really lol
iron plaza
With an RB focused build It was proccing like twice in a pack
olive wraith
What is wrong with that statement
iron plaza
But Thane is literally two button rn
olive wraith
3
iron plaza
Yes
olive wraith
You press bt
olive wraith
Slayer is 3 buttons too
south kayak
What
olive wraith
You are mostly using BT TB and Rampage
That is 3 sir
south kayak
It has a cd
bitter palm
to fish for tb
south kayak
You can’t spam it
iron plaza
That is 3 sir
It's even on 1 on PTR pretty sure
bitter palm
ye but in aoe u usually get blast
undone flower
It has a cd
They wait the cd to come back it seems
iron plaza
It has a cd
Burst of power exists you know
olive wraith
It's even on 1 on PTR pretty sure
?
south kayak
Burst of power is not that common that you’d never press RB
south kayak
You press it decently
olive wraith
Yes
bitter palm
i will login now and look at casts
iron plaza
Burst of power is not that common that you’d never press RB
I never said, you never press RB; I said you mostly press BT TB and Rampage
undone flower
i will login now and look at casts
Yes, and if you press RB= lose
iron plaza
Idk what you’re getting at
So does Slayer with execute, RB(if the 4p actually becomes good) and Rampage and Whirlwind
So Slayer actually deals with more buttons
bitter palm
thane got the prio right
iron plaza
Because execute is usable
bitter palm
rb as filler
south kayak
^
uneven path
rb as filler
Facts
iron plaza
Pretty sure RB is straight up low prio filler with Thane
summer quail
thane got the prio right
you're goddamn right. love thane
olive wraith
Giving bt a reason to be pushed is good
summer quail
olive wraith
Idk why you’re complaining about them adding bt back to slayer
south kayak
Not using BT is just a Geneva Convention violation
iron plaza
I am complaining about why does the 4p exist like this if you are gonna prio BT anyway
bitter palm
you're goddamn right. love thane <:blast:1248120836813226099>
peak hero talent
cinema
iron plaza
I asummed they want Slayer to prio on RB instead of BT regardless
olive wraith
I am complaining about why does the 4p exist like this if you are gonna prio BT ...
Because it gives rb damage. And also increases your aoe
undone flower
Not every change is to change a priority
olive wraith
I think I’ve said this like 4 times
uneven path
But why are they trying to increase RBs aoe ?
bitter palm
352 tblast casts 475 ramp 519 bt 182 rb
iron plaza
Because it gives rb damage. And also increases your aoe
But it does not, this is it's damage with a pure RB focused build
summer quail
i played thane on rik when everyone else went slayer. thane for lyfe
south kayak
I’d rather the 4p just buffed rampage by 20%
uneven path
352 tblast casts 475 ramp 519 bt 182 rb
Too much RBs
south kayak
And procced reap from rampage
uneven path
We need more
olive wraith
But it does not, this is it's damage with a pure RB focused build
Okay? What are you saying
iron plaza
Okay? What are you saying
I have used 300x+ Rbs and this is how much it did
Purely from the tier set
How is this comparable to Thane's 4p
finite crag
is there a place I can find a good SMF build?
olive wraith
In aoe correct?
south kayak
I have to wake up in 4 hours to get ready for a flight and I can’t fucking sleep
olive wraith
How is this comparable to Thane's 4p
No one said it’s comparable
iron plaza
In aoe correct?
It's an overall of M+
south kayak
How is this comparable to Thane's 4p
Did someone say it is?
undone flower
But why are they trying to increase RBs aoe ?
Bc you press RB in AoE, so to….help slayer fury…. but the 10% more RB damage is the main part of the set effect
uneven path
is there a place I can find a good SMF build?
Look at vanilla and TBC
olive wraith
Slayer is our ST hero spec
uneven path
SMF went hard there
iron plaza
No one said it’s comparable
It's not even close to that
finite crag
lol
summer quail
why does it need to be comparable to thane?
iron plaza
Slayer is our ST hero spec
Huh, Did Blizzard say that ?
bitter palm
more aoe for less st innit
finite crag
ya i know lol i just want to try it out in TWW ... was wondering if there was a build for it somewhere
oblique thistle
why is thane st so shit
fuck it, buff ionizing strikes by another 750%
olive wraith
Huh, Did Blizzard say that ?
It’s how they tuned it. So yes
iron plaza
pretty much
Show me their dev note they said it
south kayak
Huh, Did Blizzard say that ?
They said it indirectly from how they tune both hero talents
Pretty much
bitter palm
they didnt say it literally
olive wraith
Context my guy
iron plaza
But how is that an excuse
uneven path
Bc you press RB in AoE, so to….help slayer fury…. but the 10% more RB damage is...
But, why not leave RB as low prio filler for AoE and make leave BT as main prio on AoE. That is my point, they tried to make BT aoe buttone but the 4p is fucking with that
south kayak
It’s not an excuse
iron plaza
Why is Slayer the ST spec, it has Bladestorm
south kayak
I don’t understand
olive wraith
What does bladestorm have to do with it
undone flower
But, why not leave RB as low prio filler for AoE and make leave BT as main prio ...
It’s what they did…
bitter palm
the only thing wrong rn with hero talents
iron plaza
Look at other classes, some of them have both of their hero talents function nicely on both AoE and ST
undone flower
4p doesn’t change prio
bitter palm
is slayer having less burst
bitter palm
Look at other classes, some of them have both of their hero talents function nic...
yeah and then you play 1 hero tlaent
entire patch
Id rather have 2 hero talents
and play both just depending on what i need more
oblique thistle
Look at other classes, some of them have both of their hero talents function nic...
imo this has less to do with the tier set/hero talents and more to do with bladestorm itself.
uneven path
idk... slayer 4p is just cring, that hero talent could learn thing or two from Thane
olive wraith
Seriously why do you want to limit yourself to 1 hero tree
bitter palm
like
iron plaza
yeah and then you play 1 hero tlaent
You actually don't, on PTR Unholy has both San'layn and Rider do pretty good AoE damage but the damage profile is just different
south kayak
Look at other classes, some of them have both of their hero talents function nic...
There are so many classes that use different hero talents for either raid or m+. Destro, elemental shaman, feral, survival
south kayak
Blizzard wants everybody to play different hero talents for different content
bitter palm
ye but its dk
south kayak
So it’s not all used on every content
bitter palm
they are incapable
south kayak
It’s variety
iron plaza
There are so many classes that use different hero talents for either raid or m+....
Okay but we have been playing Thane on M+ since 11.0.5, Why not change it to Slayer for one season for variety ?
oblique thistle
If you make fury's burst aoe strong, it becomes problematic in the raid from the developers perspective (see S1)
and if you make it how it is right now, its just a burst cooldown with a sharp falloff that isn't particularly useful in M+
bitter palm
of making warrior changes
no way they can balance
thane and slayer
to have same aoe and st
uneven path
Seriously why do you *want* to limit yourself to 1 hero tree
Do you mean like 1 is good for everything ? Or
olive wraith
Do you mean like 1 is good for everything ? Or
He seems to only want to play slayer for keys and raid
bitter palm
without buffing lightning strikes or something stupid like that
south kayak
to have same aoe and st
One will always be better then the other, and you’ll play that one everywhere
sharp bluff
to me slayer feels better, execute is worth doing and just feels better over thunderblasting like a mad man
bitter palm
i dont want to play thane on st where all my dmg is a random proc
olive wraith
Okay but we have been playing Thane on M+ since 11.0.5, Why not change it to Sla...
This is just a tuning thing. Idk why blizzard decides what they do
iron plaza
He seems to only want to play slayer for keys and raid
That's not what I said, I said Thane is the best for M+ since 11.0.5, why not make it the best for raid and make Slayer best for M+ for one season ?
For variety build
bitter palm
how do u kill slayer st / buff thane st
olive wraith
Refer to just above
uneven path
He seems to only want to play slayer for keys and raid
Ah, well that is fundamental issue with hero talents, what if someone really likes on hero, but absolutely hates the other one.
olive wraith
Ah, well that is fundamental issue with hero talents, what if someone really lik...
Could argue that’s the same thing as classes
summer quail
how do u kill slayer st / buff thane st
idk how you kill slayer st but you buff lightning strikes by alot for thane
iron plaza
how do u kill slayer st / buff thane st
Nerf Slayer's malice and buff Reap the storm, They can buff Thane's ST with Ionizing strikes tunning
uneven path
If you make fury's burst aoe strong, it becomes problematic in the raid from the...
Well, that wasn't just burst issue tbh
olive wraith
Either way. That’s a Blizz tuning thing
ocean hearth
I think the actual solution is to stop licking windows and just play which ever spec you prefer
uneven path
The raid timer, and adds were quite squishy.
sharp bluff
thane is for clowns
oblique thistle
Well, that wasn't just burst issue tbh
I'm well aware, but the playstyle was completely shot anyways
iron plaza
and all my damage are random bolts
They are literally part of Tblast idk what you are on about
olive wraith
Point still stands I think getting to play both hero trees is good
iron plaza
Point still stands I think getting to play both hero trees is good
I never said anything against that
sharp bluff
lmao
earnest canyon
thane is for clowns
bitter palm
They are literally part of Tblast idk what you are on about
no one wants their damage to come from something passive
uneven path
I'm well aware, but the playstyle was completely shot anyways
Yhe, which is sad.
south kayak
If we’re playing thane
undone flower
with thane u would have to buff lightning strikes
Or just rampage,BT or RB (you have % increase of spells in hero trees)
olive wraith
no one wants their damage to come from something passive
Don’t put words in my mouth. Give me back Df s3
Anni gaming baby
iron plaza
no one wants their damage to come from something passive
But Slayer has Reap the storm and Slayer's strike and Thane has Lightning strikes and Ionizing strikes, they literally have the same amount of passive shit
uneven path
Could argue that’s the same thing as classes
You mean specs ?
bitter palm
they are not passive in the same way
reap the storm and slayers strike feel much better
south kayak
Slayers strike is way more common
bitter palm
i dont even notice lightning strikes or ionizing strikes
undone flower
and that translates
Less bc we talk about thane, yes every ST is AoE for us
iron plaza
i dont even notice lightning strikes or ionizing strikes
They are literally part of Tblast, you are feeling Tblast that's enough
sharp bluff
i dont get to shockwave as thane so there's that
iron plaza
Tblast guarantee procs both
bitter palm
ye but thats like saying deep wounds being all ur damage as arms with corruptions is fine
summer quail
i dont get to shockwave as thane so there's that
huh?
south kayak
TB doesn’t guarantee ionizing strikes
bitter palm
cause exe ms apply it
olive wraith
You mean specs ?
No classes. You could be a sham main. Blizz reworks them and then you hate it because it doesn’t fit your ideal “sham”
uneven path
Welp w/e gn may you solve all fury problems
dense elbow
I just want it said, please remove reap RNG. Aight you can go on
sharp bluff
my thane build i got from wowhead doesnt have shockwave
iron plaza
ye but thats like saying deep wounds being all ur damage as arms with corruption...
Mate idk if you have seen how much damage Ionizing strike does, buffing it for like 20% or sth for ST gain will not make it your top damage you need to relax
oblique thistle
No classes. You could be a sham main. Blizz reworks them and then you hate it be...
can't wait for the fury rework going in to midnight and then everyone comes in here to cry that fury has become unrecognizable or something
olive wraith
my thane build i got from wowhead doesnt have shockwave
Which build did you pull
uneven path
No classes. You could be a sham main. Blizz reworks them and then you hate it be...
Happened to me with Aff 
summer quail
my thane build i got from wowhead doesnt have shockwave
you can pick shockwave as thane
bitter palm
u wont even notice u are doing more damage
until you look at details
no one wants that
sharp bluff
actually it might have been from maxroll
iron plaza
And how do you feel that as Slayer ?
oblique thistle
And how do you feel that as Slayer ?
execute actually mattering as a button lol
iron plaza
Mate Obliterate crits for more than Fury's execute, and Frost Dk literally uses Obliterate every global
On ST
dense elbow
with powerful sd procs?
Powerful.. SD proc?
south kayak
Slayers strikes also have an animation you can clearly see
iron plaza
90000000 million
Naked MS does more than Fury's execute
oblique thistle
Powerful.. SD proc?
*with our tier
iron plaza
How about that or Arms is simming high too ?
south kayak
Why are comparing different specs
dense elbow
*with our tier
Compared then to blast?
south kayak
Not everyone has the same damage breakdown
bitter palm
Naked MS does more than Fury's execute
it just doesnt tho
summer quail
naked ms hits like a wet noodle
oblique thistle
Compared then to blast?
I'd say blast feels better visually, SD procs feel good from a rotational standpoint though
quiet breach
actually it might have been from maxroll
was that an m+ thane build without shockwave? xd
south kayak
naked ms hits like a wet noodle
Naked Ms is 580% AP, stop capping
iron plaza
naked ms hits like a wet noodle
That's not true, they buffed MS and Cleave on baseline and nerfed martial prowess(op stacks)
Stop coping
And you get like 15% from Colossus
sharp bluff
was that an m+ thane build without shockwave? xd
yes
iron plaza
with powerful sd procs?
So yeah not really powerful huh
quiet breach
change it and get shockwave
quiet breach
never take off shockwave in m+
oblique thistle
So yeah not really powerful huh
again, *with tier
iron plaza
talking about colossus
Not like Slayer plays with EP and SD
If we are gonna talk slayer sure
oblique thistle
^
iron plaza
Fury's execute is not really powerful with Slayer, Slayer just makes it usable
south kayak
Tier set
olive wraith
Slayer tier makes it usable
bitter palm
average slayer fury execute is 5.5mil average slayer ms is 4.4mil
oblique thistle
On its own sure, the tier makes it good
bitter palm
and thats average
undone flower
Idk I like 20 sec bs rn
olive wraith
how often are u guys pressing BT with s3 4pc on PTR?
St or aoe
south kayak
In aoe, frequently
south kayak
St; rarely
iron plaza
average slayer fury execute is 5.5mil average slayer ms is 4.4mil
But you are counting marked stacks, then let's count op stacks or EP aswell
olive wraith
St just follow crit conditionals iirc
south kayak
But you are counting marked stacks, then let's count op stacks or EP aswell
He’s counting everything, on average
oblique thistle
But you are counting marked stacks, then let's count op stacks or EP aswell
with new tier you just press it
bitter palm
thats average
iron plaza
This is slayer
And Slayer has access to EP more frequently ?
iron plaza
Same for Fury's execute lol
quiet breach
did they change our talent tree at all besides retuning stuff? (like adding/removing talents or changing how a talent works completely)
south kayak
Fury’s execute crits all the time lol
summer quail
did they change our talent tree at all besides retuning stuff? (like adding/remo...
ofcourse not
oblique thistle
did they change our talent tree at all besides retuning stuff? (like adding/remo...
no
bitter palm
did they change our talent tree at all besides retuning stuff? (like adding/remo...
12.0
iron plaza
Fury’s execute crits all the time lol
Let's not gaslight ourselves, This is with like 80% AJ uptime
quiet breach
so are we still using vicious contempt in pure ST build?
iron plaza
on a dungeon boss
ocean hearth
Has the warrior discord always been the embodiment of "Well actually"
oblique thistle
Has the warrior discord always been the embodiment of "Well actually"
yes
olive wraith
And moving goal posts
ocean hearth
Just press bladestorm/ravager and bang, it's a good life
dense elbow
Has the warrior discord always been the embodiment of "Well actually"
Pretty normal, and there is usually some loudmouth ignoring the fact of the matter to push their point o7
iron plaza
Just press bladestorm/ravager and bang, it's a good life
Like Ravager does any meaningful damage
It's just rage fuel
ocean hearth
Still feels good to press
bitter palm
bait used to be believable
ocean hearth
Hot little TB procs, dang boy
iron plaza
Bladestorm and Ravager have different purposes
oblique thistle
Still feels good to press
only after it gets going tbh
the initial press is kind of hollow
dense elbow
Does press, nothing happening, "damn that a good press"
south kayak
oblique thistle
summer quail
Let's not gaslight ourselves, This is with like 80% AJ uptime
this is my gally kill. 96% crit on exe
ocean hearth
You guys need to stop looking at numbers and just heroic leap + charge once in a while. That's some gang shid
iron plaza
this is my gally kill. 96% crit on exe
Well on live you are not consuming execute asap but you do on PTR
oblique thistle
You guys need to stop looking at numbers and just heroic leap + charge once in a...
if only life could be this simple
iron plaza
Unless I am outdated
brittle crow
i wish i was a dk main
dense elbow
this is my gally kill. 96% crit on exe
Humble brag 
brittle crow
privileged class
iron plaza
bait used to be believable
What bait bruh, 2% is a lot of damage to you ?
oblique thistle
privileged class
until the nerfs bring them crashing back down to azeroth lol
brittle crow
until the nerfs bring them crashing back down to azeroth lol
theyll manage to be top tier trust
quiet breach
DK in my guild said he deadass did not have to care about positioning at all on mythic gally prog cuz he could live everything with AMS
summer quail
Well on live you are not consuming execute asap but you do on PTR
true, lets say that removes 15% on average that is still 81%. not to mention that we will likely get some more crit in our stats coz of diminishing returns
ocean hearth
The real crime was changing Berserkers Torment to be Reck > Odyns fury interaction. We all know it. Please make this a priority
iron plaza
true, lets say that removes 15% on average that is still 81%. not to mention tha...
I don't think so, I think you are stacking vers
Not crit
south kayak
Both are good
bitter palm
What bait bruh, 2% is a lot of damage to you ?
wasnt about ravager at all
iron plaza
wasnt about ravager at all
I see mb
summer quail
ofcourse we want more vers than crit that doesn't mean you forego crit entirely. also very decent chance we play the crit trinket from halls, it is big good
bitter palm
u will have a fuck ton of crit in cds
oblique thistle
The real crime was changing Berserkers Torment to be Reck > Odyns fury interacti...
unfortunately this will never come back
oblique thistle
the developers saw we killed adds too quickly in the raid and said that's a no no
summer quail
shhh do not talk about that trinket. it does not exist hush hush
south kayak
cause of cursed stone idol
Surely that trinket isn’t getting nerfed
iron plaza
cause of cursed stone idol
I don't think Fury is gonna use that
iron plaza
I think you are gonna use one of the raid trinkets that give STR
summer quail
I don't think Fury is gonna use that
if it goes live like this it will definetely use it
olive wraith
I believe
quiet breach
I think you are gonna use one of the raid trinkets that give STR
just get a raid trinket 4head
olive wraith
Just need more than 2% value
iron plaza
just get a raid trinket 4head
Well the raid trinkets are kinda op aswell, they give massive amount of STR
olive wraith
And you free up a talent point
south kayak
Well the raid trinkets are kinda op aswell, they give massive amount of STR
Still worse
STR is not that good for fury
bitter palm
str prob sims less than crit
iron plaza
They might probably nerf HOA's trinket, that amount of crit is a lot like we don't stack crit but the classes that do
south kayak
Or warrior
bitter palm
wouldnt be surprised
summer quail
Well the raid trinkets are kinda op aswell, they give massive amount of STR
one of them is a 2m trinket. the other is like spymasters and doesn't seem good atm
bitter palm
They might probably nerf HOA's trinket, that amount of crit is a lot like we don...
its even better for us
we only need crit during cds anyway
south kayak
They always do trinket tuning close to release
iron plaza
one of them is a 2m trinket. the other is like spymasters and doesn't seem good ...
Well unless you play with RA you don't really care about 2m part, with AM you can just line it up
iron plaza
They always do trinket tuning close to release
True
south kayak
RA is not 2 mins
iron plaza
Read what I said again
south kayak
iron plaza
If you are playing AM idk it doesn't feel that awful
iron plaza
And Arms is the king of not lining up it's cds
iron plaza
There is no way you don't play Sacbrood
summer quail
haste proc delve one and pacemaker
haste proc got giga nerfed. trash now
iron plaza
Unless they nerf it again
summer quail
thank fuck for that
iron plaza
Yeah unless they made you be able to buy myth versions of them with dinars
iron plaza
Fuck delve trinkets
summer quail
that delve trinket gave so much stat that havoc wanted it. havoc does not like haste at all, but anyone takes THAT amount of stat
iron plaza
Man they are going to nerf Thane's tier set because of Prot
Arms took hits, Fury will too
bitter palm
nah arms is the stray catcher
idk my guess is that
if they wanted to hit thane
they wouldve done it already
iron plaza
They will don't you worry, either with the cope of the tier set being way too powerful or because of Prot
summer quail
i think they're gonna be too busy hitting brewmaster monk to worry about other tanks rn. but i guess we will see
olive wraith
They need to nerf prot not tier
bitter palm
i think they're gonna be too busy hitting brewmaster monk to worry about other t...
brewmaster explosion speedrun
brew is like warrior
if it looks good on ptr
storm birch
and tb buffrd
^
bitter palm
it wont make it to live
iron plaza
They need to nerf prot not tier
Well yes they needed to do that for Colossus tier too, but instead they nerfed Colossus' tier set for both specs
iron plaza
When a warrior spec isn't in need of big help ?
quiet breach
Man they are going to nerf Thane's tier set because of Prot
is the thane prot tier set exactly the same as the thane fury tier set?
summer quail
yes
iron plaza
is the thane prot tier set exactly the same as the thane fury tier set?
Pretty much yes
olive wraith
Well yes they needed to do that for Colossus tier too, but instead they nerfed C...
Colo taking bit to bleed damage wasn’t super big. They mostly need st buffs
storm birch
The dmg we’re seeing mostly rn is without a high ilvl off hand. Unless you get an m+ drop most ptr people are down the off-hand. Not sure how big a diff that’ll be. Are hunters able to get a 723 bow on ptr?
iron plaza
Colo taking bit to bleed damage wasn’t super big. They mostly need st buffs
They need to rework SkS aswell
summer quail
Colo taking bit to bleed damage wasn’t super big. They mostly need st buffs
even slayer arms needs st buffs. arms in general down bad atm
summer quail
The DF one felt kinda good with popping bleeds
that one removed deep wounds so your next ms hit for like 20% less. also felt like ass, could have solved it with ms applying dw before hit or sks reapplying etc(hello gokkes)
iron plaza
that one removed deep wounds so your next ms hit for like 20% less. also felt li...
Well that's just deep wounds issue
iron plaza
They need to make cleave and MS apply DW first then do damage
So they always get the benefit
bitter palm
sks shouldve just dealt infinite dmg if both dots are applied
iron plaza
df sks
The button was actually fun idk why ppl hated it, this new one is so passive and feels so bad to press
summer quail
The button was actually fun idk why ppl hated it, this new one is so passive and...
hated it coz of what i said. essentially made your next ms hit for less
iron plaza
Imo at this point they should make SkS passive and make SkS, make CS/WB apply sks on mobs
junior gale
👀
summer quail
rare to see you in fury chat. arms really is down that bad huh?
bitter palm
arms is genuinely abysmal atm
bitter palm
its 600k behind fury on st
junior gale
im good
summer quail
im not doing anymore jugg min maxing
lmao i'm coming back to warrior in midnight as well coz of this. i have an irrational fear of them buffing arms and that i would have to play i on prog
summer quail
it*
bitter palm
would be nice
junior gale
lmao i'm coming back to warrior in midnight as well coz of this. i have an irrat...
yeah im not to concerend about tuning just gameplay
junior gale
yeah fury is slapping way more than arms for raid but I cba another tier is jugg lottery even if its better
summer quail
yeah im not to concerend about tuning just gameplay
technically it's both for me, since high tuning means i have to play the dogshit gameplay for the sake of the guild.
bitter palm
im glad slayer fury is better
summer quail
"mutou arms just got buffed, can you play arms from now on" actually kms
junior gale
im glad slayer fury is better
yeah im excited fury is actually pretty fun in 11.2 thane and slayer both
tho JA CLAPPA lottery will prob get old
a month in
bitter palm
they have a solution literally delivered to them with all sims and all the math done
and they dont do shit
bitter palm
tho JA CLAPPA lottery will prob get old
ye
prolly
i hope they reduce the lottery
its way too much atm
bitter palm
maybe
junior gale
its all tuning and aura buffs from here till maybe .5 patch
bitter palm
idk
summer quail
surely they remove juggernaut in midnight and i only take a single tier break from warrior
brittle crow
i love cbt
bitter palm
same thats why i main warrior
brittle crow
CBT
Cheesy
Bean and rice burri
To from taco bell
junior gale
brittle crow
👍
earnest canyon
What is cbt
junior gale
CBT
Charge
Battle Cry
Titans Grip
brittle crow
cognitive behavioral therapy
earnest canyon
Oh
summer quail
What is cbt
churros
burritos
tacos
slim coral
I'm a big advocate for removing Thunder blast from the gcd
keen sequoia
visions give ilv?
slim coral
depends on your item level
keen sequoia
Sorry, it drops gear of what ilv/
storm rune
I wanna say it drops a hero piece once per week
undone flower
visions give ilv?
Once per week
(5 masks remove : more enemies, 50% sanity and more sanity drain)
clear wharf
what trinkets are we using on ptr?
slim coral
what trinkets are we using on ptr?
Pacemaker and the red mask loooking haste trinket
clear wharf
ty baze
winter shoal
Pacemaker and the red mask loooking haste trinket
odium got giga nerfed btw
not worth anymore
pacemaker + triangle probably best you can get from the vendor
sacbrood + cursed stone idol if you want to actually do keys to farm them
summer quail
pacemaker + triangle probably best you can get from the vendor
What's triangle? Prism? The spymasters thing
slim coral
pacemaker + triangle probably best you can get from the vendor
guess I will try keys with triangle
obtuse burrow
🔺
summer quail
If triangle is prism make sure it's not bugged. Last week tooltip said you got mainstat but you actually didnt @slim coral
spare steppe
What other spec feels like fury? Need an alt to level up
winter shoal
Outlaw used to, don't know if it still does
modest condor
If triangle is prism make sure it's not bugged. Last week tooltip said you got m...
last i heard it got fixed
sullen dove
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🐀
abstract cargo
🟦 👶 🗣️ 🟠 🪓 🚫 📉 🥈 <:literallytrash:752422340150820914> 🐀
wat this mean?
sullen dove
xan lore
young swan
🟦 👶 🗣️ 🟠 🪓 🚫 📉 🥈 <:literallytrash:752422340150820914> 🐀
bad weapon 22k sim dps 50mil damage in keys xan skyhold yellow name twitter warrior egirl slayer silver junkrat in ow2
drowsy topaz
guys ive read in keys that you are supposed to use avatar and recklessness together, but the cdr on recklessness is way more than it is for avatar. so do i use them together when i can or do i hold recklessness for avatae
slim coral
bad weapon 22k sim dps 50mil damage in keys xan skyhold yellow name twitter warr...
you forgot blue name
Blue name baby raging yeling about 22k legendary cancelled stocks are down silver junkrat
young swan
guys ive read in keys that you are supposed to use avatar and recklessness toget...
just use them together when it makes sense, dont hold for long or u just waste cdr
hushed gust
so, what? the usual 7-8 seconds and under or do we want tighter than that?
sullen dove
using one gives the other there’s really not much reason to think about them interacting with each other more than use them on cd whenever there’s things to hit
doesn’t matter if u use one like 8-10 sec before the other really they’d just like extend the same way as using both of them at the same time the only minor thing to think about is just make sure you’re getting full value of it on stuff not popping 30s of cooldowns just as a pack of mobs die for example
the only other maybe thing to consider is you wanna try to have one or the other with bladestorm but since bs has more cdr than just am with mfe it’s not always reasonable to hold one for the other
but say maybe 10ish seconds on either prolly wait to use bs with one of the buffs
more than that idk I usually just send don’t think abbadit
hushed gust
so, an essay to say "yeah, but dont worry about it too much". gotchya
slim coral
so, an essay to say "yeah, but dont worry about it too much". gotchya
Your mistake was asking a yapper
sullen dove
glazeface
junior gale
bros just glazing his face like that
eternal sundial
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🦜 
torpid cypress
why blizz hate fury that much
fading sky
bring it back choice node with spear
sudden tusk
compact knot
olive wraith
the toes within
compact knot
the toes within
undone flower
who let the dogs out ?
smoky vale
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hoary agate
Not enough feet
Better?
unreal onyx
They outdone themselves, best patch in years
golden hare
seek
sour frigate
deep
subtle lagoon
How's fury looking? Haven't played since DF S4
alpine steppe
Worse then DF S4 🙂
shy atlas
And there is me, thinking I should be playing something else then a hunter once
So I started a warrior not that long ago
now it seems hunter is gonna be good and warrior meh
drowsy heron
How's fury looking? Haven't played since DF S4
fine/good in raid, considered the worst spec in M+
subtle lagoon
Guess I won't be coming back then, lol
bitter palm
How's fury looking? Haven't played since DF S4
mid in raid good in m+
earnest canyon
So I started a warrior not that long ago
You did exactly the same as me, same classes too. I was really bored of hunter though
shy atlas
You did exactly the same as me, same classes too. I was really bored of hunter t...
Ayeee lmaoo
Thought I would try melee for once, but yeah now im not sure anymore
earnest canyon
I guess it depends what level you play at.
earnest canyon
Hunter never seems meta in high keys even with BL as it has capped aoe, but I only do like 12 max and aotc
shy atlas
all classes can easily push to 12-15 keys
Well yeah the whole issue is the queue simulator
if you arent a meta spec you hardly get invited if you go solo
proven stream
I have phys comp with bros next season so I'm good, gonna enjoy warrior
drowsy heron
same, have a bunch of guildies i can run stuff with
sour frigate
all classes can easily push to 12-15 keys
To 18th
Just hard to pug
If ure not 3800 main
drowsy heron
always hard to pug unless you're meta
sour frigate
drowsy heron
i'm just a 3k pusher
red berry
the last weeks before release and some bit after heroic, tuning will come
idk if fury will get much more
fading sky
I have phys comp with bros next season so I'm good, gonna enjoy warrior
Prot warrior👍
Fury wont get more
Unless its like a buff to roar or somethin
dark heron
blizzard insider here
sinful glen
I love how the devs are buffing anything for fury AoE except the target cap
drowsy heron
idk, i think we got some small tuning the week before release with 11.1
so most likely some tuning this week and next week, lets just hope some of it comes Furys way
shy atlas
Yeah like why tf is fury this much capped in AoE its crazy
drowsy heron
cause blizz is stupid and doesnt pay attention to all classes enough to properly balance
sinful glen
because we did big pew pew on one boss in NP
tiny jewel
Rashtakhan...they never let us forget
thick fossil
It was also Brood keeper and Queen Ansurek. Casters got mad they couldn't pad on the roots on Ansurek.
bitter palm
rashanan was funny
thick fossil
That one lined up with our cool downs like clockwork.
heavy galleon
Season will be hard again vs hunter FDK
pine gust
Didnt warriors kinda carry Ansurek, I had top dmg on those roots
in my guild
Although that was HC, and I quit the game before going mythic ansurek
heavy galleon
I wonder if it's not better to just quit TWW and waiting Midnight if something change
pine gust
I wonder if it's not better to just quit TWW and waiting Midnight if something c...
And write complaint to blizzard that fury sucks in m+!
heavy galleon
Even if I think they just will do nothing on midnight, in their mind fury is fine and they like this design target cap
tiny jewel
I mean its not bad enough to stop playing the spec unless you are truly pushing 3k+ keys
I think we might get 8 cap in Midnight..Hopefully
heavy galleon
I'm tired about wasting time to find people to play with because most of ppl just want play meta or even no warrior
heavy galleon
To the mind of player, we are one of the weakest spec ever.
I feel like a Feral before today. When people saw me playing fury I'am being trash talk
tiny jewel
That's just what it is with keys tho. 5 man group and most ppl are ignorant of really brings a group down
pine gust
Unless something changes before season there is hardly any reason to push keys as fury without premade group. If you just gonna go for 3k io then its w/e
heavy galleon
And we are now lock to push in a physical comp ..
pine gust
And obviously you can, difference between top specs and bottom specs are maybe 1 keylevel apart
Rest is community perception
heavy galleon
Yes and no
pine gust
Maybe 2 keylevels in extremes, but generally its just 1 level difference
heavy galleon
I mean, only Noxiv with a BiS gear is doing 21 as fury and because their mate are really god
pine gust
Group comp matters too ofc
heavy galleon
Yes 2 key I'm agree but even on 19 is sooooo fucking hard to bring a fury
tiny jewel
Like if im pushing keys..ill take a monk or ret pally over fury everytime
bitter palm
if im pushing keys im playing in a premade
pugging to high keys is just torture
- if im pugging high keys i invite off meta specs
cause i dont want a dogshit fotm reroller
tiny jewel
Idk I havent pushed over 12 this season and if I was it would def be in a pre-made group
bitter palm
thane fury could tank a 12
sour frigate
cause i dont want a dogshit fotm reroller
Based
pine gust
I mean, only Noxiv with a BiS gear is doing 21 as fury and because their mate ar...
top keys are also extremely skewed towards best comp, nearly all players that care about pushing to 0.1% are going to play whatever is the best
sour frigate
But i check logs
tiny jewel
If you are wanna push in pugs..Just gotta accept meta vs non meta
thick fossil
I'd rather not bother with title if it means I need to swap classes.
I'll get my 3300-3500 io and be fine.
tiny jewel
That's why idc about pushing right now. I love how fury plays even if the numbers could be better in aoe
bitter palm
if u are gray parsing on heroic
sour frigate
if u are gray parsing on heroic
U can check m+ parses
tiny jewel
Whenever I think about switching to Arms I end up with "might as well just level my ret"
bitter palm
U can check m+ parses <:okayge:917646812519739433>
m+ parses is fake
sour frigate
Its not
bitter palm
Whenever I think about switching to Arms I end up with "might as well just level...
well as it stands
u will be playing thane fury
sour frigate
If u not talking about overall timer parses
tiny jewel
Which i already am besides the occasional heroic raid
pine gust
After getting +725% buff to his tierset it would be hard to be worst spec 😄
sour frigate
tiny jewel
??
Lol ill never understand that button design. Didn't think of hammer and nail till someone pointed it out the other day
thick fossil
It's just a blue 7 with lightning in it.
undone flower
It’s thunderclap icon but cooler
dense sedge
I’m not one for tier lists but it’s probably hard to say but for m+ in a physical comp we will be auto include but let’s say as a whole are we about middle of the pack as it stands in the next patch. I know thane is meant to be pretty good
dense sedge
But bonk?
old jetty
Do you think that fury ware gonna be s tier for mythic plus on season 3?
remote bobcat
no
fury sucks
warrior will never be s tier without utility changes as well
unless we do dumb damage
but that wont happen either
bitter palm
its just
will it be colo arms or thane fury atp
as it stands right now
thane fury
pine gust
and no shockwave knockup
thats ass
radiant plank
will it be colo arms or thane fury atp
its gonna be NO REND slarms
pine gust
One thing to hate about arms is how much you have to carry about stacks carryover
If anything slows down between packs your damage is fuckeed
remote bobcat
That's quite literally what makes it interesting compared to shallow gameplay like thane fury
inland flame
If Colossal Might stacks lasted longer and Collat wasn't awkward to maximize sometimes I wouldn't have any big complaints about Arms.
In M+
pine gust
That's quite literally what makes it interesting compared to shallow gameplay li...
While it is interesting and something you have to care about, I dont like not having the agency about my damage
undone flower
I’m not one for tier lists but it’s probably hard to say but for m+ in a physica...
You can’t say we are auto included bc it fully depends on brewmaster and arms
For the phys comp
dense sedge
If anything slows down between packs your damage is fuckeed
Well more so warrior is included
radiant plank
Collat and awkward 🥀
dense sedge
Not just fury
remote bobcat
While it is interesting and something you have to care about, I dont like not ha...
you do have agency tho
Like yea sure your stacks fall off when you wipe
or some shit
bitter palm
its gonna be NO REND slarms
hoooooly tech
remote bobcat
but if thats a dealbreaker to u then idk what ur on abt
pine gust
Its not dealbreaker, it just sucks when we have to ress, or do a mana break
radiant plank
hoooooly tech
you should ask daniel warrior his opinion on it (he is hooked on it)