fury

[dense elbow]

herecy

[south kayak]

maybe 99% is too much

[storm rune]

98%

[south kayak]

Just because they see it doesn't mean they're gonna implement it

[dense elbow]

You guys clearly not on the forum a lot, if you think more than 1% is useful feedback

[marble pilot]

They are scared to buff our cooldowns cause they we become too bursty for aoe. Im sure there are ways to fix that though

[south kayak]

That's not what im saying

98% of the wow players, not the feedback

[storm rune]

There were dozens upon dozens of threads complaining about an invisible owl for MM hunters when they press bloodlust, not to mention the outrage at the attempt to give warbreaker a visual effect

[dense elbow]

Hm, nah, I think you should listen to all of the players. But, you shouldnt act based on the 1% of the 1% that uses WoW based forums and channels

[summer quail]

removing avatar and buffing reck would fix it. warrior has too many cds anyway

[marble pilot]

Removing avatar. Blasphemy.

[storm rune]

I recall a thread recently complaining about the lack of utility warlock has

[dense elbow]

Avatar is 100% more warrior, than reck

if one gotta go, it would be reck

[marble pilot]

Avatar is the only one that has to stay. They can get rid of reck/roar/odyns/onslaught/ravager. Avatar stays

[summer quail]

reck is wayyy older than avatar in WoW tho

[marble pilot]

Not in warcraft

[dense elbow]

Warcraft 3 begs to differ

[summer quail]

that's why i said in WoW

[dense elbow]

FOR KHAZ MO DAAAAAAAAAN

One is a lot more iconic than the other

[summer quail]

idk if i would call either inonic ngl

[marble pilot]

By that logic we should still have sunder.
One does nothing. One turns you into a angry dude.

[storm rune]

We should still have sunder

[dense elbow]

Mods, ban those guys

[storm rune]

phys comp goooo

[summer quail]

huh? what does sunder have to do with current cds?

[marble pilot]

Its older than avatar

[dense elbow]

it is bait, Mutou

[summer quail]

clearly

[marble pilot]

And it was the first thing I thought of that was older than avatar that is gone now.

[dense elbow]

Come on!

ToP is my key!

Let me iiiiiiiiin!

[marble pilot]

Imagine doing keys this late and not farming mounts like everyone else.

Though Im at work

[earnest canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/that-is-clearly-not-the-case-derek-muller-veritasium-thats-not-it-its-not-about-that-gif-25040094

[marble pilot]

So im just stalling

[storm rune]

Gotta farm mount #819

[dense elbow]

I already got all the mounts I want

[summer quail]

might be eu. it's around the time where alot of people come home from work rn here

[storm rune]

I was hoping for Thunderfury, but then I ran MC once and forgot to kill the bosses at the start of the raid and remembered why I hate the place

[marble pilot]

You dont have to kill the starting bosses for thunderfury

Just the two for bindings

Unless im missing something

[dense elbow]

he meant late, as in late in the season, no?

[summer quail]

ah ye probably

[storm rune]

oh yeah you're right, it's the hammer off rag

[undone flower]

Blizz now is really so diff with what I experienced in bfa when ABSOLUT no change in dungeons for 2 years, with bare minimum tuning (would say almost non existent)

Bfa prot wouldn’t be a thing in today economy

[dense elbow]

I am still a bit suprised they didnt double down on the monk change

[south kayak]

Why would they double down on it

there's no reason

[undone flower]

They would have doubled down on monk buff if we still lived in Bobby’s maze

[dense elbow]

Cause they cant be wrong mentality

I am scarred from SL

[undone flower]

Yep

[storm rune]

arent we all

[south kayak]

I am not because I don't think about that

[storm rune]

To this day I cannot read quest dialogue

[undone flower]

First time I got gaslighted so much, I don’t mind valorstone at all at this point

[storm rune]

Because I get PTSD flashbacks of Korthia

[south kayak]

Btw if you wanna stack up on valorstones before patch just farm the goblins

it's so easy

[dense elbow]

who the fuck would do that

[undone flower]

Just the beta of SL

[dense elbow]

you gonna be swimming in stones as you farm 100 runs of M12s for HC track gear

[undone flower]

Fake class forums

[south kayak]

I think I might be the only one who kind of enjoyed Korthia, it was the first zone I farmed all the mounts when it was current lol

It was short, and you did the whole thing pretty fast

[undone flower]

I liked this version of torghast when you go infinite mode

[dense elbow]

Did you do the farm optimally, or just for some mounts and stuff?

[south kayak]

All mounts

[dense elbow]

Cause logging on every 8 hours, sucked.

[south kayak]

every 8 hours for what?

[dense elbow]

If I had to run around in that shadowrealm one more time, I prob would just quit

[south kayak]

I don't remember that

[undone flower]

The hand mount is korthia right ?

[south kayak]

One of them idk

there's like 5

[undone flower]

It was fun to do, to be absolutely disappointed with the rock paper scissors

[south kayak]

I love that tbh

The mounts look great regardless

[undone flower]

Idk if they changed it, but others didn’t see the same point move as you

[south kayak]

unique too

[undone flower]

So you do rock, others see paper from you

I guess they fixed it since they made more hand mounts

[south kayak]

yeah this one

[undone flower]

But it is one of a memorable im so hyped to use this mount and the main thing don’t work

[south kayak]

I should prbably finish this

[south kayak]

Well, I really did not care about that as much as you did lol

more mounts = cool

[undone flower]

Oh yeah idc about mounts unless I find them cool

Most trading post, I don’t buy the mounts

[south kayak]

so cool

[south kayak]

Sometimes I don't buy them but if they're not that cool and I might need to save for later

[undone flower]

If I don’t see myself ever use it, I don’t want it

Im not a collector type guy in wow

[south kayak]

I used to farm a lot of mounts

I stopped since i got invincible like 2 years ago

[undone flower]

(I didn’t farm a single mount in this month event)

[south kayak]

I got like 12 mounts this event

[undone flower]

Yeah I already had invincible

[south kayak]

I need to get King's rest mount now

but it's very low droprate

Deathcharger too

[undone flower]

Like in bfa I got it, but I found it cool back then, wouldn’t farm it today

[storm rune]

It's hard to get hyped over a mount, but I'll go to pretty far lengths to get a neat looking transmog

[undone flower]

Exactly that

[south kayak]

Both are equally hype for me

[undone flower]

I use DF standard black dragon currently

[south kayak]

I use different mounts depending on my char/transmog

[storm rune]

I can't stand my mechagnome doing a Jean-Claude Van Damme impression every time he gets on a mount so I just use the one that turns you into a bird

https://tenor.com/view/volvo-gif-24485753

[modest condor]

deserved for playing mechagnome

[storm rune]

In the end it was worth it for those rank 1 LFR parses

[slim coral]

The only correct tier list

[fallen ginkgo]

brother is locked in

[tepid cedar]

EWWWW WHATS ALL THBOSE SHIELDDS

[tepid cedar]

true that

[coarse nest]

Very smart guy, all the intellect

[modest condor]

reael

[storm rune]

Prot was easier to parse with 😦

Kept getting rank 2'd and gave up on myself

[left pasture]

Tier list of Peetko Now :

[south kayak]

Devastation evoker having higher survivability than fury

is a joke

of the highest order

[summer quail]

yeah anytime pettko talks about survivability i just zone out. zero point in listening to it

[south kayak]

why are so many specs that are clearly less tanky than fury

rated higher

[storm rune]

Well you see

Nerf fury

[south kayak]

Holy shit, Spriest rated higher than fury at survivability

is actually a joke

shadow priest doesn't even have a defensive cd that lets you cast freely

fucking dispersion

[storm rune]

Can SP spec into the 10% DR on flash heal?

[south kayak]

Yeah they can but come on

[storm rune]

Flash heal+fade, 20% on demand DR? yuuuuge

[south kayak]

that's a lot of dps loss

pressing flash heal

every 10 seconds or so

[south kayak]

Meanwhile fury has a lot more hp, free 10% DR, defensive stance, SReflect

[storm rune]

oh im definitely memeing

[south kayak]

I think they should rework dispersion, relic of a bygone era

[tiny jewel]

Play style FUN ranked as a 1...tells you all you need know of his opinion on the spec

[south kayak]

Yeah I think fury's playstyle is definitely higher than 1, especially as thane on PTR

[tiny jewel]

I mean i wish the numbers were better but playing fury since Wrath...I love the gameplay overall right now. Fits perfect with the class fantasy of what the spec is

Just needs bloodlust

They could roll into Battle Shout somehow lol

[summer quail]

numbers not bad on ptr right now

[south kayak]

Bloodlust is not gonna help us much and they're not giving a class that has a tank lust

[storm rune]

easy solution, give us PI

[warm crag]

fury needs lust and a brez to be competetive in m+

[tiny jewel]

I know we will never see it cuz of prot but it just makes so much sense class fantasy wise

[silk wharf]

I really think everyone, not just warriors, would get a kick out of a warrior Bres where we picked up a dead person shaking and screaming at them until they got back up.

[south kayak]

Don't forget off gcd tether

5 second aoe stun

that doesn't DR

[warm crag]

and knocks up

[tiny jewel]

Reviving Shout/Shake

[south kayak]

Wake the fuck up shout

[south kayak]

uncapped intimidating shout

[dire vigil]

You baited me so badly with this screenshot lol

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/gotem-gif-18695498

[warped drum]

How far behind is fury from arms in m+ with the recent baby buffs?

[dire vigil]

Watched the entire video too and then was hype to see what he says about fury to move it from C to S 😂

[south kayak]

A bit ahead

[tiny jewel]

Who cares Arms is boring asf 😂

[summer quail]

cold day in hell when someone actually puts fury in S tier for m+

[warped drum]

True lol. Fury is ahead now? Didn't see that coming

[summer quail]

ye, thane is pretty goddamn good

very very rng on big pulls tho

[tiny jewel]

Maybe someday armor pen will come back. That Naxx tier when they were still configuring TG was wild

[warped drum]

Ahh okay. I'm probably going to be asked to play warrior in s3 and fury looks more fun

[summer quail]

fury has been more fun for the last 7 years

[south kayak]

^

[warped drum]

If fury is ahead in m+ then I might switch

[summer quail]

looks like it right now, but arms is not looking so hot in raid. so decent chance they get buffed

and then things might change again

[storm rune]

DF S3 repeat

[summer quail]

nahh df s3 fury was hot garbage in m+. now fury is gonna be solid even if arms get buffed

[dense elbow]

I just hope they manage to keep Slayer not too far away from Thane in M+ the coming season

A pipedream, but a man can hope

[tiny jewel]

I mean MT might be battling with Slayer in raid too..those tier set procs are big. A lot of rng but still

[south kayak]

if it's a ST fight it's slayer

thane won't get close

[dense elbow]

Define close, 5%, 10%, 20%, 50%?

[south kayak]

Don't know the exact number

[bitter palm]

9000%

[dire vigil]

That was my first season pushing keys and boy did I spend a lot of time circling the fountain in Valdrakken

[bitter palm]

thane is solid for sure

[dense elbow]

9000%? Seems like Slayer will be M+ viable, killing one target at a time

[bitter palm]

not crazy but decent

iirc slayer isnt actually that behind in m+

its just that tblast is unreal

[slim coral]

Arms is behind

[summer quail]

[tiny jewel]

Still always think of it as a ?

[warped drum]

Glad to hear. Thanks!

[south kayak]

Thunder Blast icon is basically a hammer being hit on the floor

but in game you use your legs to smash the floor

Fake news

[warped drum]

Thighs like tree trunks

[tiny jewel]

Post Burrito Blast

[south kayak]

Yeah from the first time I've seen it, it looked like a question mark

[smoky vale]

[modest condor]

[south kayak]

TB is now the 2nd most used emoji

lets make it #1

[modest condor]

:clfbtw:

[south kayak]

Why do we still have this

[modest condor]

why not

[south kayak]

[bitter palm]

to remember the goat

[summer quail]

for when we get it back in midnight and it will get buffed by raging blow

[south kayak]

SB was not the goat

[summer quail]

and/or buff raging blow

[south kayak]

Deathmaker was the goat

[bitter palm]

one pull 35% uptime

next pull 85%

goat behaviour

like enduring blow

[undone flower]

[modest condor]

deathmaker didnt have that much rng

i mean it had rng

but not 35% 85%

[tepid cedar]

How does the new cloak work from s3

[modest condor]

and in s3 you always ahd like 80% or something

[tepid cedar]

Is it on use or equip

[modest condor]

you equip it and it gives you more damage

[tepid cedar]

I wonder if we’ll get some more tuning. All ability +3-5% would be hugge in closing the gap some more if other classes don’t get some more nerfs. We’ve had some great changes though

Gonna be a better season for sure

[south kayak]

I expect maybe some tiny st buffs

especially for arms

[summer quail]

afaik fury pretty decent in raid so wouldn't hold my breath. arms will prob get some buffs tho

[south kayak]

The only thing I care about is that the outliners like MM and FDK get nerfed

and we gucci

[summer quail]

it's crazy how they got giga nerfed and are still outliers

[south kayak]

true

[inner zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/875594407892647956/1339360918215196794/98jg1s.gif

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-thor-infinity-war-gif-25139201

[sullen dove]

Why is the spell called thunder blast when it creates lightning???

thunder is the noise not the damaging ability???

[south kayak]

Unplayable game

This is the final straw

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/the-last-straw-ive-had-it-im-done-no-more-thats-it-gif-23793748

[south kayak]

Lightning Blast doesn't hit like Thunder Blast does

[sullen dove]

thunda

feel the thunda

lightning and the thunda

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-thunder-gif-12003010808141082270

I think they should make lightning/ionizing strikes more prominent

they don't look good

[smoky vale]

hi

[south kayak]

gio

[smoky vale]

rampge

box

caja

[undone flower]

Thunderblast itself is not really good animation wise tbf

[south kayak]

I COMPLETELY disagree

I couldn't disagree more

[undone flower]

They could just steal LoL old thunderlord proc every time you thunderblast on enemies hit

(Talking pure animation here)

[marble pilot]

I think Thunderblast might be one of my favorite animations in the game period. Maybe it could leave a little lightning on the ground for a second or something. But overall I love clickign it

[undone flower]

It lacks blow ups for me to be a blast

[south kayak]

Yeah TB might be one of the most satisfying spells in game

[undone flower]

That’s it

[olive wraith]

Please buff our tier to increase the sound of next TB by 100% as well

[marble pilot]

I also like that you often get additional strikes with it. Like the hero talents lightning and the 2 piece now. Lots of little strikes to go with the big stomp

[south kayak]

increased the volume by an additional 100%

[olive wraith]

Yes

[south kayak]

is there a macro or a wa that increases your sound by a lot just for thunder blast from 4p

[olive wraith]

I don’t want just my ears to bleed

[marble pilot]

I hate ravager though. How is my warrior self making that weapon spin around and track targets. Bladestorm is good. Ravager has always just been weird.

[olive wraith]

I want to inflict friendly fire on my group too

[undone flower]

Yeah ravager is not good

[south kayak]

Does thunder blast sound like thunder? I can't remember it rn

[undone flower]

Orange blade spinning on the ground is not really fun to see

[olive wraith]

Ngl idek. I play pretty low volume

[olive wraith]

Magic

[south kayak]

How is bladestorm good

nobody can spin tthat much irl without vomiting

[marble pilot]

Not about irl stuff. No one can 2 hand these weapons either

[south kayak]

They can

I'm pretty sure there are people who can lol

[olive wraith]

Big doubt

[marble pilot]

Not with the thickness the weapons are in game.

[undone flower]

But doubt yes

[south kayak]

the monutain dude could probably do it, someone of his stature

[undone flower]

Bc 2 handers are designed for 2 hands

Just the weight of it

[south kayak]

Weight of an average person

[olive wraith]

Nah. They’re too heavy. He would gas out after 30 seconds

[marble pilot]

Sure there were some 8 foot swords but they weighed like 15lbs cause they were thin.
The weapons in the game are thicker than your toons leg and also longer than you are. They would weigh like 300 lbs minimum irl. Which is more than most of the wielders would weigh

[fading sky]

@mossy fox after testing yesterday whats better Col arms or Thunder fury in keys ?

[olive wraith]

Even if you took standard 2h weapons irl. It’s just not sustainable to swing around like they’re 1h

[undone flower]

If a weapon is the weight of an average person, it is the worst weapon you ever made

[marble pilot]

And the maces are even worse. Not as bad as like dark souls weapons. But they are still very large

[south kayak]

I meant that they are made for the weight of an average person

[fading sky]

i mean keep in mind weapons ingame are made of magical metal

[south kayak]

I misread you at first

[olive wraith]

I hate like 90% of the mace mogs

[south kayak]

True

[fading sky]

welll ppl are also stronger than normal ppl ?

so i mean relative str vs weight of weapons ?

do we truly know

?

[undone flower]

Oh mb

[olive wraith]

Right we have like 20k str

[fading sky]

exactly?

[marble pilot]

Well yeah which is why none of this really matters. But it does look a little funny when someone is swinging around a sword that weighs more than they do. If you did that irl you would get pulled by the sword. Unless you had some kind of magic holding you to the ground on top of the normal gravity.

[fading sky]

i mean u would have to swing it with momentum in mind indeed 😄

and continue strikes like they do with normal 2handers Irl

[undone flower]

If a sword weighs more than you, you would just fall by stretching it in front of you bc physics

[fading sky]

but for sure even if u could swing something same weight as u...

[south kayak]

What about Guts' sword

is that impossible to wield and fight with

[marble pilot]

Yeah but that isnt what my dude does in game. He just swings them around like they are small sticks play fighting

[olive wraith]

Was watching part of a vod this morning. Fury looks pretty good. Didn’t see any of his Col stuff though

[south kayak]

most likely

[undone flower]

It is fantasy, they can do whatever they want to be cool

[fading sky]

i saw he has a longer stream but life makes me unable to have to time watch whole 😄

but Thunder fury looks decent

ofc he is playing with randos that might be shitters 😛

[mossy fox]

I concluded thane fury

[olive wraith]

WOOOOOO

we are back

[undone flower]

Nerfed bc raid.

[marble pilot]

Not that it matters. My guy also gets angry and grows 20% larger. Or jumps like 5 times body height in the air.
Its fun so who cares. Doesnt mean I have to like ravager animation though lol

Thoughts on artifact weapon skins not coming back?

Kinda defeats the whole point of legion remix to me.

[south kayak]

I expected them not to be coming back

[marble pilot]

I thought they would do recolors or something at least. Not the exact ones.

[fading sky]

ngl i c u keepin up with a Survival hunter, is thata good player ?

[south kayak]

Survival is good but it's not MM cracked

[fading sky]

ok so in other words fury is Survival good

but not MM good

[south kayak]

nobody is MM good except very few specs

[fading sky]

thats perfect. u dont wanna be top dog in Beta if u are warrior spec

[smoky vale]

gm critcake

[fading sky]

well that means i can just gear for fury then

as it rly does seem like a very fury raid as well

[marble pilot]

Fury always. Flex to prot when you have to. Pretend arms doesnt exist

[olive wraith]

One thing I like about arms as it feels better swapping to prot

[marble pilot]

Yeah the arms/prot stats line up better.
Im counting on the stat bloat of season 3 to make it not matter

[olive wraith]

Ye just jewelry swap

[south kayak]

So prot warrior wants crit

[marble pilot]

And it isnt like haste mastery is bad for prot. Just crit is better for rage iirc

And crit blocks I guess

[olive wraith]

Ye crit is just better

[south kayak]

honestly just save a big crit ring/neck

and you're gonna be fine lol

[olive wraith]

Lmao critcake is looking at his details and TR was 2%

Big sad

(In vod)

[south kayak]

We should forget about TR

it doesn't matter

[olive wraith]

Def spear season

[south kayak]

if they buff it that's cool but until then fuck it

[marble pilot]

Yeah. Stats go crazy season 3 regardless. I wouldnt be surprised if we hit a point where crit/vers beats out haste/mastery as we gear.
Like at 18k haste 25k mastery or something.

[olive wraith]

I mean sims were already telling me vers

[marble pilot]

When I sim myself now they are all pretty even already.

[olive wraith]

On live

[marble pilot]

So as ilvl goes up thatll get even more so.

[olive wraith]

Tbf we have acces to a lot of crit next season via trinks

[marble pilot]

Yeah seaforium is goated and coming back.
I dont know the others off the top of my head

[noble elm]

No bad prot stats

As long as you meet the minimum haste threshold to keep shield block up with in the fray (~16k) your other secondaries aren’t too differing. The more of them the better. Crit gives parry so it helps with stacking bleeds etc

[gilded pawn]

Crit has nothing to do with rage nor crit block lol

[summer quail]

even current season vers is outsimming mast on some pieces. fury has liked vers for a long time now

[dense elbow]

Meanwhile: Me

[undone flower]

Tbf I have a haste/vers crafted neck now, and there is no other neck better than it for me

[dense elbow]

haste vers gang!

[echo rapids]

Yeah I’m not sure of the mechanics but elemental shaman at this point is “get some mastery and haste but it doesn’t matter”

[undone flower]

3 crafted piece until S3 gang ?

[dense elbow]

You know it

[echo rapids]

It must just be a raw stats value thing

[undone flower]

I don’t even have house of cards

And idc about getting it

[dense elbow]

it helps OF do a tad more dam

worthwhile fr fr

60% buff when?

[undone flower]

My mythic bandit ring high mastery/haste is my house of cards

7k mastery on the fucker

[dense elbow]

That do be a lot of mastery

Wonder if I ask kindly, if the devs will remove the slayer BS CDR, or make it also reduce the CD of reck

[fading sky]

Why?

Whats wrong with bs cdr?

[dense elbow]

Cause reck and storm desyncs, and I want my 20% dam amp on my BS

[summer quail]

dan is gonna get fury thane nerfed. he's playing prot thane

[fading sky]

Ngl agreed

Naturally aligning cds better

[dense elbow]

It always feels scuffed just sitting on BS, waiting for the final sec of CD. Not very fun, very sad

[olive wraith]

Just aura nerf prot

Stop hitting the dps specs

[dense elbow]

Aura nerf prot?

Isnt it better to just nerf the tierset, and then buff up Fury baseline?

[olive wraith]

I mean if both arms and fury getting hit. They’re pretty close problem is prot

[fading sky]

Prot is the problem

Also buff of🤣

Stronger tier better

Means bigger chance of rework next expansion

[dense elbow]

I will just take your word for it, I cba to check or test PTR stuff anymore. I am just waiting for launch and the following weeks of tuning to be done

[olive wraith]

Idk about that

[fading sky]

Idk either

Just cope

[earnest canyon]

Cancel sub til new content, play Donkey Kong

https://tenor.com/view/winning-charliesheen-summer-win-won-gif-17974105

[storm meadow]

Genuine curiosity : is exec better in S3 for slayer spec? I've hated a lot the fact that we needed to track multiple buffs because it was not appealing to exec

[dense elbow]

Execute itself? No, not really. The 10% dam mod is very minor

Sudden Death procs? Yeah, they got more value. As you get a free cast of Slayer Strikes with each proc cast.

[olive wraith]

Just 100% lagoon and hilltop last night

[earnest canyon]

Nice, congrats!

[brittle crow]

100% of fossils too?

or just bananas

[olive wraith]

Fossil too

[brittle crow]

the chests in the ground stopped giving me maps and im missing 1 of the small ones and 1 of the big ones

[olive wraith]

I’m working on canyon atm

[brittle crow]

im gonna shit myself trying to find them

[olive wraith]

Just keep smashing

[brittle crow]

i LIVE in kong bananza mode rn

[olive wraith]

Did you max upgrade your tie already

[brittle crow]

its at 30% if thats max

[olive wraith]

I think that is

Missing 2 banana in canyon

Idr if lagoon had the maps for purchase. You could do that too

[plush zephyr]

Dude donkey Kong bananza looks SO FUN

[olive wraith]

It’s super fun

Go get it

Perfect way to wait for next season

[median token]

playing PoE is the perfect way

[uneven path]

PoE is the only way to wait for warrior rework

[undone flower]

I would say gamble and win 32 hands of blackjack and buy Blizzard to make them rework fury is more efficient way

[earnest canyon]

It's amazing, Nintendo make the best games in the world

[plush zephyr]

[serene thistle]

[orchid brook]

[eternal sundial]

[bitter palm]

idk from my testing seems like spear

with hoa trinket

[olive wraith]

I said spear lol

[bitter palm]

ye

spear with hoa trinekt

gonna go hard

like 16-17k crit

on use

[olive wraith]

Trinks think have wiggle room

Didn’t they nerf sacbrood end of s1

[bitter palm]

no clue but i am pretty sure we are playing it still

[olive wraith]

Pacemaker kinda slaps too though

[dense sedge]

Kong Bananza bros

That’s what we need for a rework

[quiet breach]

hoa is one of the dungeons of the name of the trinket?

halls of atonement?

halls of a

something

[sullen tendon]

Remove spear remove raging blow remove smf remove onslaught remove ravager remove hack and slash remove ashen jugg

[jolly parrot]

bring back draught of souls

[sullen tendon]

Being back battle cry

[bitter palm]

balls of atonement cursed stone idol

1s channel

fuck ton of crit

[quiet breach]

since u know about s3 trinkets, do u know if any of the delve trinkets are gonna be op like how energy drink and mechanocore was op this tier

op for fury warrior I mean

[bitter palm]

haste proc

passive

20k haste on like 30% uptime

its nuts

u build some stacks when u reach X stacks it procs

but sarri said its predictable

i didnt pay attention

i just kinda let it proc

[quiet breach]

are u simming this or just making these conclusions on vibes

[bitter palm]

seems like u can influence how fast it procs

it will get destroyed

simmed

its in our bis profile

at 710

[quiet breach]

nice

[bitter palm]

it will get exploded

100%

no way it makes it to live

[quiet breach]

so its even more op than mechanocore/energy drink u think?

[bitter palm]

nvm arms seems to be cursed stone idol and sacbrood

idk fury

ye fury is same

sacbrood/cursed stone idol

[quiet breach]

boi wut do u mean arms or fury bis profile

this is fury chat

[bitter palm]

24k

up to 29k

in aoe

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

bro this will EXPLODE

i hope it doesnt tho

crit is the most fun on use imo

[quiet breach]

on use trinket, I hope there's no on use cantrips this tier that I have to get

double on use = turbo aids in my brain

[bitter palm]

idk iirc netherprism when we simmed it

it was on cd

but its worse than sacbrood

doesnt align well for warriors ig

takes like 2mins iirc to fully stack

[summer quail]

there is not

[quiet breach]

did u just ping me then delete it insta? @summer quail

[summer quail]

no

look it's still there

this is all i typed to you

[quiet breach]

lol wtf it took FOREVER for that to load

but I saw the notification on my phone

[summer quail]

🤷‍♂️

[shadow flame]

anyone able to find raid testing logs with warriors in the group

I can't find a single one from a decent guild

:rip:

[winter shoal]

@sudden tusk are you guys' raid testing logs public?

[sudden tusk]

Should be

Look under DMG reports and it should show up on the right date. @winter shoal

We didn't raid that week so nothing else should be in there

[vernal laurel]

Is there some way to see M+ logs for PTR?

[winter shoal]

@shadow flame

[deft rapids]

What is the best UI for warrior? I need something to clean up my screen

[slim coral]

I like atrocities personally

Just depends on personal preference

[deft rapids]

There was on that started with an L i cant remeber it, Is attrocities on Wago?

[edgy widget]

That's the french version, Letrocities

[winter shoal]

You're thinking luxthos

[deft rapids]

Yeah i just saw both of them you only get if you sub to them no nah

[winter shoal]

Imo those all-in-one premade packs track way more stuff than you actually need to, or would benefit from

The important things to track imo are

• enrage
• ww stacks
• exe conditionals
• bt conditionals

Beyond that, just having your abilities/cds somewhere close by for quick reference is good

You can find the conditional weakauras here #1237307732705415228 message

[sullen dove]

I ain trackin enrage brah u slam ramp on cd ez

bt dead next season

[winter shoal]

Last I checked the 85% crit BT conditional was a dps loss, yeah

that was a while back

Tracking enrage is useful for things like BF SS stacking

[plush zephyr]

[winter shoal]

Also fishing for reap/TB procs

[summer quail]

thane presses bt alot on ptr

[winter shoal]

Yeah but you wouldn't send an un-enraged BT

[slim coral]

BT is the goat!

[winter shoal]

BT kinda deadge for slurry

[slim coral]

Rampage actually losses to BT on ptr

[sullen dove]

yawn proc mid shit

both on cd

[winter shoal]

I think Sarri simmed slayer where it literally never pressed BT and it was only like 2% behind lmao

in single target ofc

[slim coral]

Thane tho

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-up-stongs-meme-stocks-gif-15715298

[inland flame]

Yea real talk I'm excited about Thane rn

[winter shoal]

Thane seems strong yeah

[slim coral]

BT only

[brittle crow]

im convinced im not allowed to have maps anymore for sum reason

each chest only has gold, no map to these last 2 fossils

[olive wraith]

You for sure can still get maps. Probably just lower drop rate I guess

[brittle crow]

ive gone thru like 20 chests 😭

[edgy widget]

I stand by the joke

[shadow flame]

Thank you 😄

[brittle crow]

archi where are the 3 fossils in missing

[inland flame]

Don't worry Archi it was good

[edgy widget]

idk what you're talking about

[slim coral]

Someone said Luxthos got his name from lex Luther I wonder if it’s true

[edgy widget]

I'll ask next time I see em

though if that's not the reason, I think we should just say it is

he's lex luthors lesser known cousin or somethin

[olive wraith]

I assume you’re spamming sonar as you smash

[brittle crow]

yea

ive gotten like 7 balloons and 3 applesauces and 3 drinks ima just assume the game has cut me off for sum reason and ill come back later

[olive wraith]

Buy maps

You must have crazy amount of gold

[brittle crow]

the lagoon vendor doesnt sell maps

[olive wraith]

I swear I bought from lagoon

[brittle crow]

only 22244 gold

nothing crazy

[olive wraith]

Have you completed the main story for lagoon

[slim coral]

Honestly I see it

[brittle crow]

i havent actually jumped in the lagoon hole yet

maybe theyre in there lol

[olive wraith]

Ya I don’t think you can get maps for areas you didn’t unlock

[brittle crow]

idk what the movement meta for this game is yet but ive been doing roll -> jump -> sonar -> air roll

feels good and is sonar

[olive wraith]

Think it depends on the terrain

[brittle crow]

turf surf prob just faster

but no sonar then

[jagged forum]

ahoy fellow warriors

[olive wraith]

Ye you’d have to cancel turf sonar then re turf

But also, smashing shit to farm maps and sonar between punches is also probably just as good if not better

[jagged forum]

how is slayer doing in high keys ? does he have sustain ?

[brittle crow]

ya theres a whole sublayer 102 theyre prob down here

gonna kms

[olive wraith]

Ptr or live

[brittle crow]

not me assuming the whole led to the next level

😭

[jagged forum]

live ofc

i saw ptr and it was really bad for warriors 😦

[olive wraith]

Slayer doesn’t have the best sustain

Thane is looking great though

What do you consider high keys

[jagged forum]

15 and higher

[olive wraith]

Might have to make sure you got a good comp for heavy aoe

It it’s playable

[jagged forum]

but its hard to find keys tho :/

arms/fury

thank god i choose prot in this seasson

[olive wraith]

That’s the case for all dps

[jagged forum]

im not sure about that , i mean it was easier to find keys when i played shaman/mage

but i dont like them i play warrior since vanilla and i really love the class but the kit it has is a bit off

also i dont understand why the class have a cap

for so many years

they could remove the cap and nerf the class

after so many years they could find the balance

we have so many ideas about the class but they wont listen or they dont care

[dense elbow]

They are currently doing some balance and tuning of our kit to help with the M+ issues. One or two more bumps like that, and Fury will be looking great, even with the hard target cap on our rotationals.

Hopefully they give us some love for our CDs too. Then we likely will have no reason to complain.

[jagged forum]

ye you are right , i saw the ptr and it was really bad pre buffs

[dense elbow]

Still isn't super great, but it is a lot better. For what that is worth. Yet, we know they got an eye on it atm, as such can expect another light touch to set things right.

[jagged forum]

i hope they do

[olive wraith]

Thane is back. I just don’t want nerfs and I’ll be happy

[jagged forum]

i think slayer fits better but thanes is good too

[spare steppe]

Isn’t it still worse in ST by a large margin?

[olive wraith]

For raid? Ya slayer is better. I mostly m+ though

[dense elbow]

We can presume he still talks about M+, and sure, Slayer does a bit more ST DPS

[inland flame]

The days of Bladestorm being our signature AOE spell are over, we are clappas now.

[olive wraith]

In m+ thane has good ST compared to a lot of the big aoe classes

We lose less st while swapping to m+ talents

[shy bronze]

I ran a 12 Priory on the PTR last night. I was hanging with ret in AOE. By far the better ST dps in the group. Blast ended up being 25% of overall.

[jagged forum]

bro they put bladestorm one of the most enjoyable abilities and we cant use it in mythic plus cuz we play MT

[dense elbow]

What is more interesting is if ret was close to keep up with you on ST, as they got some buffs

The smaller the gap of ST to ST, and AoE to AoE, the more value is on the utility.

[shy bronze]

Well, you play ravager to BT more for blast procs.

[olive wraith]

I much prefer to be sending a bunch of TB over. Bladestorm

[jagged forum]

😮 blasphemy

the fury gods are watching beware

[dense elbow]

Dont worry Melkor, I prefer Bladestorm
But if you do, you really should play Slayer, so it does some dam instead of losing you DPS

[olive wraith]

It’s doesn’t even feel good to press in aoe

Wasn’t Bs arms first

[dense elbow]

Bladestorm? It feels kinda meh, but not suprising when they pump it with so much CDR

[inland flame]

Bladestorm used to be Arms' capstone talent

[olive wraith]

If anything fury gods love me for preferring bt spam hero class

[shy bronze]

I wish slayer had a place in m+. I mean, you could but execute ends up being the hardest hitting ability with the tier. It reall f's up the rotation.

[bitter palm]

fuck slayer long live clappa

i live for clappa and colo

[olive wraith]

You can probably still play slayer. You just shift to more prio dmg

[jagged forum]

😮

[olive wraith]

Keep in mind you’ll lose out on a lot of overall though

[bitter palm]

and u will not be playing clappa

bt tblast rotation

[olive wraith]

The biggest issue

[shy bronze]

Theres not enough enrage time to use 5 abilities is my problem with slayer/imp ww

[dense elbow]

What

[jagged forum]

well anyway boys its late gn

[olive wraith]

You still press rampage

[dense elbow]

Gn Melkor

[shy bronze]

Try it on the ptr. cramming all those abilities with ww is rough.

[olive wraith]

I have lol

You still press rampage

I’m confused

[inland flame]

That statement doesn't mean anything love

[dense elbow]

Did they change something on the PTR from live? I cant remember seeing anything about that

guess I gotta log in and check

[inland flame]

Do you think you need to spend all of your WW stacks before you Blast again or something strange like that?

[dense elbow]

He said slayer/improved whirlwind

[shy bronze]

the S3 tier has slayers hardest hitter being execute now. It's hard to cram in a rotation and still hit WW for aoe. M+ situation.

[inland flame]

Oh right. Still doesn't fix his statement though.

[shy bronze]

Thane is just easier and does more aoe damage.

[olive wraith]

You. Press. Rampage. Still

Wdym you can’t fit it in the meat cleaver 4 stacks

[dense elbow]

Aight, testing done, can 100% safely say - there are no enrage uptime issues on the PTR

[inland flame]

Yea cuz you just, like, hit Rampage lol

[dense elbow]

Why wouldnt I?

[inland flame]

I'm just still trying to figure out Deegraded's thing

[olive wraith]

Ya I’m lost

[shy bronze]

im saying slayer aoe builds didnt prio executte. Youre still using the same build and rotayion BUT you have to use execute now.

its not impossible, but thane is way easier.

[dense elbow]

You just push execute above BT and RB in the prio list, not much changed honestly.

But sure - Thane is easier, I agree on that part

[inland flame]

If you're saying that getting WW stacks "interrupts" your rotation as Slayer I kinda get it since as Thane you'd Blast even on ST, but it doesn't break the rotation or anything

[dense elbow]

Might feel better to have a button that you press that activates your AoE, and you cant spam it and lose DPS, as it got a CD - when it is up, you want to press it.

Even so, WW flows as well as it always has

But, the statement there was enrage issues, and there aint

so glad to sorted that out

[olive wraith]

Slayer has always had to hit ww to refresh meat cleaver stacks regardless of what st abilities you use between ww

Slayer still plays basically the same. Just higher prio on exe

[terse idol]

is vicious contempt used at 35% crit or 35% health per the wowhead? its worded a bit unclear

[olive wraith]

VC increases bt damage to targets below 35%

[inland flame]

Yea its an execute mechanic

[olive wraith]

It’s been a minute since I looked at prio but usually bt gains prio when it’s a guaranteed crit. And when target falls in range of VC

[terse idol]

Bloodthirst over 85% crit or 35% during Vicious Contempt . is how its worded so i was unsure

if it meant 35% crit or health

[inland flame]

It means if BT has a 85% chance to crit, or if the target is in Vicious Contempt range (35% health), either or

BT gets prio'd

[terse idol]

understood

[charred estuary]

With thunderblast being as good as it is

What are the chances our M+ talents look like this?

[olive wraith]

Take off bloodborne

Take off hack n slash

Go into crit node

[charred estuary]

would be missing a point in tier 2 before you can go there

unless you mean bloodcraze

[olive wraith]

Oh wait you have UF

Can swap that too

[charred estuary]

for what

[olive wraith]

Crit

[charred estuary]

okay you're still shy a point before you can get to tier 3 with this hypothetical

[olive wraith]

And then with bloodborne you can take a rb talent I guess

[charred estuary]

I mean you literally have to take bloodborne or bloodcraze so im a little confused

[olive wraith]

Omg you don’t have craze my bad

I kept craze

And also remove TR imo for spear

[charred estuary]

yeah fuck no

[olive wraith]

And a free talent somewhere

lol y

[charred estuary]

id like to hit all the targets

not 3 of them

[olive wraith]

Tr does less than 3% overall

[storm birch]

I think swap out thorim’s might

[charred estuary]

man if you dont know why I dont want to try to aim spear in M+ then you dont play enough M+

[olive wraith]

It’s the same as aiming ravager

[charred estuary]

ravager moves

[olive wraith]

Spear tethers

[charred estuary]

You have to hope the mobs are pixel stacked when you are bursting

[storm birch]

Spear isn’t that bad 😄 the actual spear damage isn’t wild anyway you’re looking for the crit buff

[olive wraith]

Idk. Up to you. I think spear has way more value tbh an tr on ptr

[orchid dagger]

Imagine being unable to land a skillshot in the year of our Lord 2025

[charred estuary]

Right which only applies to the targets you hit within 8 yards

and if tanks arent keeping mobs grouped you're just not getting full value

[storm birch]

Just bind spear to cast on your self and immerse yourself within the mobs lmao

That’s what I do

[olive wraith]

I’d rather buff abilities that actually do damage

Then send roar

[orchid dagger]

That's the bad way

[storm birch]

Oh well I can’t imagine the targets moving more than 8 yards since they’ll be tethered. I don’t think I’ve encountered any issues with it

[charred estuary]

You're not getting it

they need to be in the radius before you cast it

[olive wraith]

I fully am

[storm birch]

@orchid dagger I love it so I don’t throw my spear on a ceiling pixel on accident

[orchid dagger]

Skill issue

[storm birch]

Oh yea absolutely

[charred estuary]

Spear in high m+ is a sim trap and I'll die on this hill

[olive wraith]

Your tank isn’t flying through the dungeon at Mach 7 with the mobs

There will be stationary times

[charred estuary]

Have you played eco dome?

[storm birch]

How many packs are you fighting that are perma split where you don’t get an opportunity to drop your spear ?

[charred estuary]

again have you played eco dome

[storm birch]

I have! With spear! Felt great. Kept the mobs from jumping around for a sec

[dense elbow]

Just play with DH, spear after he chains

or BDK after grasp

[charred estuary]

yeah in perfect conditions its great

aka sim trap

[olive wraith]

Idk 3 talents for 3% overall doesn’t sound good to me

[storm birch]

I just don’t know many instances where the tank doesn’t pull all adds and they don’t congregate together

[orchid dagger]

Imagine not generating perfect conditions

[charred estuary]

waiting 5 gcds for the mobs to be maybe be pixel stacked is worse to me

[orchid dagger]

pixel stacked

[olive wraith]

Don’t have to be pixel stacked

[orchid dagger]

Bro you got range

[charred estuary]

Yall clearly don't get it and that's okay

[orchid dagger]

If I can catch Blinking Mages with the fuck you stick you can hit npcs

[olive wraith]

Do what you want. But I do think spear will be generally better

[orchid dagger]

Git gud

[charred estuary]

Unless roar heals the mobs im sticking with roar

[storm birch]

It’s not that I don’t get it. It just doesn’t make sense in practice

[sour frigate]

timed a cinderbrew with ww and 2 rogues

phys meta is fucking back

(not for woyeor)

[dense elbow]

Rogues are great

[sour frigate]

not the one i had in my party

had to cr the guy 3 times

[dense elbow]

kekz

[charred estuary]

id be interested to see how many gcds yall are wasting over the course of next season just waiting for mobs to stack up lmao

[olive wraith]

Why would we waste gcd

[storm birch]

The dungeon you referenced was eco dome. Throughout the whole dungeon the adds would group together and I’d spear them. So unless you have a different example I am unable to make sense of what you’re saying

[sour cloak]

we are so back

[edgy widget]

it's really not that invasive

• in ST you press Execute more and BT less
• in AoE you press Execute more and RB less

[olive wraith]

I’m still gonna gcd while stuff are grouped

[charred estuary]

Yeah and you're just holding spear losing uses over the dungeon

waiting for them to group

[olive wraith]

And it’ll still be more value

[charred estuary]

Simtrap

[dense elbow]

Ya always wait for them to group tho, or tank will hate on ya?

[storm birch]

Especially if you get TB resets. Lots more value I think

[edgy widget]

depends on the dungeon, the pull, and how well your tank groups things really
in general spear is harder to maximize than Roar, but its still picking up a lot of ground simply because it buffs your damage rather than just dealing (increasingly outpaced) direct damage

[storm birch]

I usually have to wait a sec for aggro anyway

[sour frigate]

lol fuck it i just press evasion on dh and pump

[charred estuary]

Right in perfect conditions im not arguing with the math at all

[sour frigate]

[charred estuary]

even in 90% good conditions I think spear is better

thats unfortunately just not how it works

[dense elbow]

dont forget to write "Tank?!?!?!" after you greyscreen

[sour frigate]

havent greyscreen yet 😎

[dense elbow]

[sour frigate]

just need to extend the meta

[olive wraith]

Like I said. You do you. But I think spear is back

[charred estuary]

It is on paper

[edgy widget]

buddy I wrote the paper

[olive wraith]

[charred estuary]

huh?

[edgy widget]

I have a rough idea of how these things work

[charred estuary]

Okay? Im agreeing with you that its better on paper

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/aslan-do-not-cite-the-ancient-magic-to-me-witch-i-was-there-when-it-was-written-narnia-the-chronicles-of-narnia-gif-13149002

[edgy widget]

Literally nobody in here has disagreed that Spear is harder to maximize than Roar

[storm birch]

🔥

I like when a boomie typhoons a pack right before I spear it

[edgy widget]

thing is that Roar is becoming so devalued that even if you don't maximize it, Spear is getting better - will it always perform as well as it does "on paper?" Of course not

But does that mean it still won't perform better? That depends on the dungeon, the pull comp, and how well the tank groups things

[charred estuary]

I feel like im going crazy

Thats exactly what im suggesting

It depends on too many variables so I wont be using it

[olive wraith]

All I’m saying is I don’t think it’s going to be hard to have more value than 3% overall

[edgy widget]

and its exactly what I said before you decided to continue your argument about "on paper vs reality"

that said Spear is not far ahead of Roar, even "on paper," so it's really just the kind of thing you try once and decide if it's worth bothering with or not

[storm birch]

I just pray before my spear that I get at least one TB reset proc

[charred estuary]

Cool im glad we agree lol

[edgy widget]

you don't really need it before since Spear syncs with Avatar, you'll always have two fresh charges to try to trigger it

but yeah if opportunity presents, you could bank a charge

That's how you get ranks on fights like Stix and Bandit too - bank a charge before cooldowns, so you can Blast -> Avatar -> Blast without delay

[charred estuary]

Never once did I say that roar will be better, only that I will be using it because spear isv ery annoying to get value from and like 4 people popped off

[storm birch]

Oh sorry I meant to say I’m praying before I use spear 😅

I worded that weird

[charred estuary]

but its cool, hopefully they give spear a 12 yard radius and delete roar altogether

[hidden stirrup]

Honestly, I'll be happy with a better spear solely for the lockdown zone it makes

[charred estuary]

Or just make it utility

[storm birch]

But yea I guess banking would set you up kinda cause avatar acts as an insta reset. I always liked that avatar use lets you back to back TB against the GCD

[charred estuary]

that would be even better

[edgy widget]

I suggested that ages ago, just change Champion's Verdict to "Spear now has an increased range and deals more damage, but no longer tethers" (for pvp reasons)

[hidden stirrup]

but then how will I laugh at mages trying to blink away?

[edgy widget]

you'll untalent it, the point is giving people options

[charred estuary]

by using the other talent instead

[hidden stirrup]

I was being sarcastic but yeah, a way to dedicate additional damage at the cost of the tether would be nice

most pve doesn't have too much enemy movement once the tank is done gathering, so it's not too important

and the extra pvp burst would be nice to pop squishier targets or force out cds earlier

but that's just my 2 cents

[edgy widget]

however at this point, my real wish is that they turn Spear into an off-GCD utility ability higher up in the talent tree, and replace it with Condemn in the bottom tier instead

Roar isn't particularly amazing, and I'd just as soon replace it with something more interesting, but a little tuning attention and its fine - the real issue is that Spear and Roar aren't distinct enough, the choice between them is largely just "which deals more dam right now?"

The choice between Condemn and Roar is much more interesting from a gameplay perspective

[hidden stirrup]

Would you prefer to see Banner from Shadowlands back in the place of Roar?

[edgy widget]

Na, Banner already exists in Ravager

[charred estuary]

Im assuming you mean condemn as in making it ignore armor or be magical damage

[edgy widget]

no, literal condemn

[hidden stirrup]

shadow damage + execute above 80%

I miss it dearly

[edgy widget]

execute above 80%

[charred estuary]

Without the hidden modifiers that make it do the same damage as regular execute i'd hope

[edgy widget]

That's a tuning question, and not really my concern at this point

[hidden stirrup]

Archi is here to make the spec fun, balance is for chumps

[sour frigate]

mm has it now

[edgy widget]

I mean balance is important, they're just two different aspects of design

[charred estuary]

Yeah Im making a jab at how silly the tuning for condemn was

[inner zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-hankshrader-realization-smh-gif-26343260

[edgy widget]

and fwiw, the reason Condemn was tuned lower is because it would have been imbalancedotherwise

[charred estuary]

I mean execute would need to actually have value for condemn to be interesting

outside of sudden death or MfE

[sour frigate]

lets not forget condemn also had defensive value

[charred estuary]

oh yeah the weird absorb thing

[edgy widget]

Depends on what the follow-on nodes do, but improving Execute for Fury is a whole other concern that needs to be addressed separately anyway

[hidden stirrup]

the based absorb

[charred estuary]

raw execute having value again would cure my depression

[edgy widget]

and frankly not that hard either - just replace Slayer's Malice +RB damage with +Execute damage and reduce the value of Slaughtering Strikes

[hidden stirrup]

Execute being a cd based rage generator is always going to make it tougher to balance I feel

[charred estuary]

Or shit execute could give you 3 slaughtering strikes

[edgy widget]

na, actually makes it easier, since it competes against more common abilities

[charred estuary]

there's a million ways

3 is a lot maybe

[edgy widget]

lol unlock your mind 😛
I know it sounds dumb, but you think about it, they're the same ability with a different skin - both provide a damage buff and generate rage over time - the damage buff has changed from Hurricane (which was almost identical to Banner) to Unhinged, but it still amounts to "more dam"

[hidden stirrup]

2 stacks of slaughtering I could see

[charred estuary]

Ideally id make SS weaker like 15% per stack, and make it rb >1 BT > 2 execute > 3

maybe buff natty rampage by 15% to compensate

[south kayak]

Yeah that’s what I was about to say

[edgy widget]

na that wouldn't happen

[south kayak]

That’s my idea but might as well just delete SS or nerf it

[edgy widget]

easiest way would be to make Slaughtering weaker yes, but you could also experiment with moving it onto another button like Bloodthirst

[olive wraith]

Please

Give bt more love

[charred estuary]

thunderblast is making me want to put rb under everything even in ST

[south kayak]

SS makes way more sense for an ability like BT than RB

[edgy widget]

regardless, you don't really need to work out the specifics to understand the point - RB has too much damage value which devalues other buttons (such as Execute), so to address that, just reduce that cumulative damage value

[hidden stirrup]

by moving it to other, less utilized damage buttons?

[edgy widget]

that's one way yeah, another is just reducing the raw value

[olive wraith]

It’s crazy how much support other abilities need to lower rb prio

[inner zinc]

or buff the lacking ones

[edgy widget]

you can do that too, but constantly buffing everything leads to its own problems

[charred estuary]

Its unnatural and counterintuitive for a button that you could realistically hit like 5 times in a row to be such a high priority

[inner zinc]

id rather have those problems than the ones we have

[edgy widget]

for one thing, if you just buff Exe but leave RB alone, you end up devaluing Bloodthirst instead - which is exactly what's happening in Season 3

[south kayak]

I feel like reducing the amount of RB procs and general rage generation would open up more play styles and talents, like using Onslaught

[charred estuary]

Risks slowing down the spec alot though and I do enjoy the pace of rampaging every 3-4s

[olive wraith]

OS is kinda cursed rn

[edgy widget]

So no, in this case just buffing Execute isn't the right answer, RB needs to come down in order for all three buttons to fit better together

[south kayak]

I feel like we generate too much rage

Compared to say; BfA

[inner zinc]

i wanna generate even more rage

[hidden stirrup]

no such thing as too much rage

[inland flame]

Generating more rage would be cool if spamming Ramp was our top prio

[olive wraith]

I mean maybe if we had another spender

[edgy widget]

Well there is, but that's not the biggest concern at this point in time

[charred estuary]

I think this is a good problem to have, enrage should be something good players can maintain not a main focus of the rotation

[hidden stirrup]

they could always revert execute to be a spender again (I'm mostly joking)

[edgy widget]

issue is that it needs to scale over the course of the expansion, and idk if yall played Shadowlands but it tried the 'low rage economy' approach and the first couple tiers were horrendous

[hidden stirrup]

I remember the first couple raids, it was horrible

[edgy widget]

60% enrage uptime is not fun, I don't care what your gameplay goal is

[south kayak]

I feel like it’s possible to reduce rage gen and still maintain a high enrage uptime

[hidden stirrup]

running condemn meant that you had high enrage uptime only in those 100-80% and 35%-0 ranges

[south kayak]

It feels off to waste rage all the time during recklessness

[inner zinc]

being rage starved is the worst fucking feeling out there

[hidden stirrup]

^

[charred estuary]

Yeah id like to never go back here personally

hitting buttons unenraged is depressing

[hidden stirrup]

everything in the spec is based upon how quickly we can dump rage

[inner zinc]

ill play fury despite its flaws, i aint playing fury if im gonna be rage starved fuck that

[hidden stirrup]

more rage = more enrage = (with AM) more Reck

[charred estuary]

yeah am is a big deal too

[hidden stirrup]

which feeds the cycle with damage

[charred estuary]

with less rage our 45/90 cycles kinda break

[edgy widget]

Sure it is, but rage & Enrage really aren't a problem atm - the spec has much more important issues to address

[south kayak]

Why are you guys going to the other extreme? Lol. We’re not talking about rage starvation. Chill

[hidden stirrup]

we're lamenting early SL

and the fact that Castle Nathria lasted over a year

[olive wraith]

With your name why do you want less rage

[south kayak]

I agree tbh

[edgy widget]

lowering rage won't really help promote Onslaught anyway

Onslaught's issue is mostly just tuning and talent layout

[inner zinc]

because even atm you can get bad streaks and end up rage starved. Less rage means this is more likely to happen

[sinful spoke]

@edgy widget archi can u get blizz to change their mind on the legion remix mage appearances thing ? thank you

[south kayak]

Bro

???

[edgy widget]

you mean the tower stuff? not my department lol, but I am inclined to agree that there's no reason they shouldn't be earnable again

it's been a decade since legion

[hidden stirrup]

ow, my bones

why must you make me feel old

[edgy widget]

hey I've been here since vanilla

[inner zinc]

is fury likely to get any more buff at this point?

[hidden stirrup]

don't remind me of the ancient times

[sinful spoke]

unironically though they should do it

[south kayak]

If they are insistent on no appearances, they could add recolors for them

[sinful spoke]

ive been telling my dev friend about it

[hidden stirrup]

honestly, probably just aura buffs/nerfs

[sinful spoke]

i started in legion but i didnt know anything about the mage tower

holy fuck its been 10 years?

[south kayak]

I was trash in legion, didn’t do any mage tower

[sinful spoke]

[hidden stirrup]

I've always been trash, I just learned to embrace my garbage

[edgy widget]

if it were up to me, I'd make them earnable again, but I'd retune the mage tower challenges to account for the new power inflation coming in Remix

• in other words, I would (try to) ensure it's actually a challenge, that requires players to commit some time to playing and empowering their Remix character, not just ding 80 in 5 minutes and one-shot the activity on 12 toons in the first day

[sinful spoke]

not me goated since day 1

[hidden stirrup]

XD

[sinful spoke]

im super down for that

[hidden stirrup]

Make people go in with set gear loadouts like they do for Diablo Challenge Rifts?

[south kayak]

Aren’t we getting m+ in the remix

[sinful spoke]

we are

[south kayak]

Could put them behind 200 key done lmao

[edgy widget]

Na, because that changes the context again; I don't think it needs to be something you can't outgear, I just think it needs to be appropriately challenging for the amount of power inflation available in Remix

• I don't think there's any problem with a skilled player doing it in lesser gear, while a less skilled player can more easily do it in higher gear. In fact I think that's necessary to help ensure that it feels approachable to more players

[inland flame]

I just hope they bring back Unstable Arcanocrystal

[south kayak]

We should be able to solo 3 digit keys

[hidden stirrup]

So just make it something you have to actually prep and know the spec for rather than an easy damage or heal check

understood

[edgy widget]

Well again, I don't see any reason with allowing players to eventually outgear it

I'm just saying you can't 1 for 1 it from Legion, or all the extra power inflation in Remix would trivialize it anyway

[inland flame]

Thats kinda the way they were eventually originally

[edgy widget]

exactly, and that's fine - there's nothing wrong with letting a less skilled player invest time into out gearing it, as long as there's some kind of investment

[hidden stirrup]

taht's fair

[modest condor]

cant wait for the new frog farm

im so ready to lose my cloak stats again

[hidden stirrup]

doing Mage Tower by Legion's End was basically just avoiding the 1 shots and you're good

[south kayak]

Azsuna demon farm

[inland flame]

Some of them more than others but if you had gear you could kill Agatha blindfolded

[sinful spoke]

cant wait for sil to boost me

🙏

[hidden stirrup]

lol

[edgy widget]

Yep, and I don't think that's a problem at all, because those players are still investing their time and effort into gearing to compensate for whatever skill-based weakness they may have

it's no different from people who are just now getting their +10 achievements in live M+

[hidden stirrup]

So you want them to make it more difficult in terms of raw numbers so that people have to either decently outgear or else do the mechanics properly?

just trying to get full clarification for the idea

[edgy widget]

I want them to be more difficult relative to the amount of power inflation coming in Remix

[inland flame]

Have they said anything about how Legion Remix gear is gonna work yet?

[hidden stirrup]

why are they giving so much PI in remix anyway?

[edgy widget]

because its fun

[hidden stirrup]

fair

[south kayak]

PI?

[hidden stirrup]

Power Inflation (not Infusion)

[south kayak]

Oh

[hidden stirrup]

I can see the confusion

[south kayak]

It’s just fun

[hidden stirrup]

big numbers = dopamine

[edgy widget]

same reason they did in MoP - its fun and it makes things more accessible - they don't want you to necessarily need a full raid group with full knowledge of raid mechanics to take down Gul'dan ala retail progression