fury

[clever path]

Damn the hour I felled in love with a 2 2 hander, absolutely unit of a fury warrior main

[undone flower]

Under whirlwind

[clever path]

How do you fit in fantasy that a unit with a light pole in each hand it’s gonna do less dmg than some WW monk throwing hands around

[smoky vale]

i like your graphs :3

[light hedge]

You get a pink clown with 2 baby rattles and face reality

which is pretty much how we gonna look next season

[orchid dagger]

You realize those swords are foam and you are

[clever path]

I was watching critcake yesterday and I felt he was doing the dmg, udk and boomy are doing in Live, so we are behind a season in dmg

[orchid dagger]

Yup

You pretty much have to pvp to be relevant, because God knows Pwar is getting shat on in a week or two after patch launch

[clever path]

And that was post buff, and the MM and FDK post nerf

[orchid dagger]

I'm playing FDK next patch, shit is goated

You just murder shit

[autumn halo]

Ty

[fervent yoke]

Fury buffs are laughable tf

[orchid dagger]

Yup, didn't address the real problem

Slayer buff I guess

[warm crag]

pvp player malding that they cant cc rotation a boss to death

[orchid dagger]

Pve player malding that he can't actually do real damage to targets

[warm crag]

how do you think i'd do in the strawman olympics

[limber oar]

Pvp players opinions are meaningless dw

[orchid dagger]

Pipe down little bro, your betters are speaking

[limber oar]

Where i dont see em

I just see a small child

[orchid dagger]

Blind and dumb, you hate to see it

[limber oar]

I love interacting with the animals at the zoo

They always think they know more than they do

[clever path]

Imagine pvp having more rewards than M+

[jolly marten]

totally getting nerfed in the upcoming patches tho

[earnest canyon]

how many weeks does the game remember vault for? cos I was just doing HC raid (need nothing) each week and logging off for the rep and touching base with guild, so havent opened vault in like 6 weeks

[limber oar]

At least 2

[earnest canyon]

hmm ok

[limber oar]

Ive looted 2 vaults before on my alt monk

[earnest canyon]

its like having unopened spam emails lmao

[limber oar]

Or like finding quarters in between the couch cushions

[earnest canyon]

ooooh cash....cant remember the last time I used that....even hospital vending machines had a fucking "tap to pay" or a QR code

[hollow juniper]

Is %65 thing only buffs slayer ?

[low folio]

ww talents apply to thunder clap for mountain thane

[frail prism]

Should be both

Not like the additional 10% damage is going to fix the overall damage problem. I would love to know the rationale to just simply not increasing the target cap.

[hollow juniper]

Thanks

[limber oar]

Increasing target cap on a talent like that is beyond the scope of what theyre trying to accomplish rn. Theyre just tryong to make the class serviceable for the season.

[tiny estuary]

I agree

[limber oar]

Not that i exactly agree but thats probably what theyre thinking

Another broader chages more befitting of a “rework” or similar would come either with Midnight or not at all

[light hedge]

i cant remember as single time when we were shown behind a support class in terms of damage. Even Aug had like a week of more pump than us.

maybe fury just too masculine now we on the agenda type shi

[wild mural]

I'm the SMF guy

[storm rune]

+5% run speed aint no joke

[light hedge]

Simple Minded Fury

[light hedge]

make rage starving great again

[opal monolith]

[gleaming siren]

Start complaining bud

I've seen the Demo sims

[wild mural]

@warm crag why do you think THE smf guy mains resto druid now

[light hedge]

jjust 180° the sims and we good

[undone flower]

18%

[gleaming siren]

Unfortunately that leaves Fury worse off than it is

[undone flower]

65/55 is 18%

[gleaming siren]

Probably

[light hedge]

not on the daily roulette of tierlists tho

majority will be happy if you put us in s tier just as participationtrophy

[wild mural]

Believing tier lists is kinda based I cant lie

[light hedge]

Pug Community checks out

[wild mural]

Wym

[light hedge]

wee could do 15% more damage than all other if we get put on D on tierlists we still will have to wait 30 min for invite

and mage with 90 ilvl less and 0 rio will get taken

[warm crag]

who the fuck is THE smf guy

[wild mural]

ME

I AM THEM

[warm crag]

why are you playing resto druid

[wild mural]

Cause its fun

I didn't raid this tier just m+

I'm joining a guild as a healer for s3

Leaving tmy guild will be a sad moment cause I lose my fake HoF title

[light hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-kylo-ren-traitor-betrayer-betrayed-gif-25293273

[smoky vale]

tmy

[wild mural]

My warrior is kinda geared

[light hedge]

how are your logs with smf tho

curious how far behind it really is

[wild mural]

I got an 88 on Kazarra HC in DF S2 playing SMF with daggers

Oh man I totally lied my warrior is like 655

[light hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-steve-carell-the-office-cringe-gif-17778800

[wild mural]

It was funny

SMF is funny

Tbf the rest of my gear was like full mythic bis

And I think I was using the dagger from Zskarn mythic

All funny tho

[chilly fractal]

Everybody funny

Now you funny too

https://tenor.com/view/george-thorogood-i-drink-alone-drinking-alone-annoyed-not-now-gif-707513235624754478

[clever path]

I predict other season of arms on M+

[radiant plank]

https://tenor.com/view/zyzz-zyzz-lmao-zyzz-laugh-zyzz-lol-gif-24672640

[orchid dagger]

implying dps war

[quiet breach]

hell no it's gonna be fury for both raid and m+ next season

we got so much buffs

arms was forgotten

rest in peace to them

[remote bobcat]

Ohhhh

[sullen cloak]

Will the buffs actually make any noticeable difference in mythic +

They don't seem that much ?

[burnt crow]

no fury will still be bad in m+

[glad coyote]

wont be as bad though

[clever path]

Fury it’s never gonna be allowed to me actually good in M+ content, the community doesn’t wanna be outdps by a class with 3 abilities, funnny enough no one bats an eye at ret or havoc

[dense elbow]

Warrior is overrepresented and should probably get some nerfs, make sure the data remains balanced

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-nah-gif-17789673818039441753

[woven valley]

Or bm hunters being able to do their entire rotation while full sprinting across the map.

[coarse nest]

I dunno boys thunder do be blastin

Might be a fury thane season

[tight idol]

Champion spear the move this season?

[marble pilot]

Please no spear is ass

[glad coyote]

would rather have spear than roar tbh

[marble pilot]

Hard disagree. Roar is just click and it does something.
Spear you have to stand in it. And every effect in the game you have to stand in is ass

Thats why Dnd and Conc are the largest complaints for those classes

[glad coyote]

thought they made spear to where u dont have to stand in it any more?

[tight idol]

Yea but champions might with thunder blast procs might slap no?

[charred drum]

you don't have to stand in it anymore

[glad coyote]

thats my point tb slaps with spear crit bonus

[frozen lake]

It's a debuff on the enemy rather that needing to stand in it

[radiant plank]

Dont need to stand in spear anymoer

[frozen lake]

Spear gonna be good

[marble pilot]

Less bad then. Since the mobs cant really escape either.
But spear and roar and odyns are all the same button imo. 2 of them should just go away

[glad coyote]

would love if we got rend for some extra aoe dmg

[fading sky]

Spear + of goodness

[orchid dagger]

Because as much as Ret or Havoc are brain dead they have more buttons than us

[fading sky]

?

[orchid dagger]

Not that it's harder, but they have more buttons to click & utility

Darkness >>>>>>>> Rallying

[fading sky]

They dont utility though

[orchid dagger]

The glue eaters don't

[fading sky]

So 99.5%

Of rets

[orchid dagger]

The ones that actually know how the class works do

[orchid dagger]

Common PvE L

[fading sky]

Nah

[orchid dagger]

If a ret forgets his utility while I'm gunning for him he's getting deported to the Spirit Healer

Simple as

[fading sky]

Y so pvp is a 100% different game

So u wanna post there

[wary fjord]

pvp, the ignored child

[fading sky]

It is not?

U got solo shit

[orchid dagger]

Or how about I teach you how to not be a shitter and maybe you might learn something

Big think

[slim coral]

Probably it’ll just be whatever sims best

All of our capstones are dog water so we’ll just take the least bad ones

[plush zephyr]

They spent a total of 10 seconds on it on the wow recap video for next season 😂

[dense elbow]

Captstone value down
Rotational ability value up
equals: 1% stat node looking mighty fine

[wary fjord]

[fading sky]

Dno man im fury. I dont spend gcd's hamstringin pve mobs

I tend to focus on dmg and stuns

[orchid dagger]

Only when:
1: pvp
2: you see a filthy fucking caster about to get his shit rocked

[marble pilot]

Honestly 1% stat probably beats a cooldown that only does 4% overall. Sad days.

[wary fjord]

go to the pvp chat

[orchid dagger]

Because you don't have to actually do shit in pve

[fading sky]

Kek

Just please leave

[orchid dagger]

Imagine not needing to Meat Cleaver > Hamstring shit

[fading sky]

Cba the pvp vs pve players

Different parameters.

[orchid dagger]

Yeah, the floor for pve is much lower

You can drool on your keyboard and still win

[sullen dove]

PvP is a joke and boring

[wary fjord]

you can just bot in pvp bro and win, i remember bot devs literally advertising their bots that got top rank on twitch back in dragonflight

[orchid dagger]

Skill Issue

[orchid dagger]

That's true of any busted class/spec

[fading sky]

Not rly

[orchid dagger]

Getting 2400 isn't terribly hard

[fading sky]

Or well if winning is wqs

Then yes

If its + 18 keys

Not rly

If its mythic raiding u can be carried, just like u can in most grp content

Doesnt mean u are winning though?

[orchid dagger]

18+ keys is like pushing for r1 in pvp, that's not the normal benchmark

[wary fjord]

if people can be carried to glad, then idk bro

[fading sky]

Ok lets lower bar

16s

[coarse nest]

People get carried for anything and everything in this game

[fading sky]

M8, is not free

[wary fjord]

so its changing the story now, now its only lower content

[marble pilot]

the 50% mark for pvp and pve are basically the same. Macro your cooldowns to one button and click it. Then do 1 button rotation.

[fading sky]

Well lower lvl grp content u can ve caried big time

[orchid dagger]

Not at all

[fading sky]

Like no doubt about ot

If u are to compare pvp and pve

Id say 5 monkeys in m+ wont get far

[orchid dagger]

But saying something like KSM and 2400 pvp are the same is

[wary fjord]

ksm is a joke

lol

[orchid dagger]

That's the supposed equivalent

[fading sky]

No?

[orchid dagger]

Yes

[fading sky]

Also depends

[gleaming siren]

You know people are buying 18s right

[fading sky]

When?

[wary fjord]

just like how 2500 is the equivalent to cutting edge according to blizz

in the achieves

which is not true

[gleaming siren]

Who ever said that

[fading sky]

They are playing m8, and not horribly

[orchid dagger]

Blizz legit thinks KSM and Elite are the same

[wary fjord]

their referencing the achieves

like, the meta ones

for the season, that you get once u do one of the 3 things like ksm, aotc, or elite

[fading sky]

Ksm is 3k now or?

[wary fjord]

thats KSL

ksm is still 2k, different achieve

[gleaming siren]

Is 1600 Elite?

[fading sky]

Elite set isnt hard at least

[gleaming siren]

1600 is piss no

[orchid dagger]

1600 isn't terribly hard, but your average shitter isn't getting it

Your average shitter can get ksm

[wary fjord]

u can kind of no brain through it

its just 1600

probably easier for ksm tho ye

like, 100% easier

[orchid dagger]

1600 in pvp is "can you do pve rotation"

[wary fjord]

ksm u can get in like 3-4 hours

[marble pilot]

Hardest part of pvp is the queue times

[fading sky]

I mean solo shuffeling

[orchid dagger]

Shuffle is also against your spec

[fading sky]

But again ksm is grp value

[orchid dagger]

Not in general

[fading sky]

So again to make it equal

Its 5 ppl of equal skill

Its not i solo gettin into overgearee grps

[orchid dagger]

If you want to compare it to a group it would be 3s

[wary fjord]

ye, just weird that blizz thinks 2500 is equal to CE in the achieves

[orchid dagger]

And 1600 in 3s isn't terribly difficult

[fading sky]

For me ofc pvp would be harder as i havent touched since... tbc

And i know all dungeons

But again, its kindda hard compare

If we are talkin 1 new player

[orchid dagger]

To a new player? PvP is far harder

[wary fjord]

ye

pvp makes u know all the jank every class can bring

[orchid dagger]

PvE you need to know your spec, arguably the other ones in your party

[fading sky]

And every boss

[orchid dagger]

PvP? Every single class/spec/bg/etc

[fading sky]

Every mob

[dense elbow]

Depends on your goal in PvP, if you just want to get the 1800 stuff, all you need to know is your PvE rotation and go slap things

If you want to just do weekly m10s, you need to know just as much as PvP to that level honestly

Just go in and slap stuff

[coarse nest]

PvP I would assume you need to be able to recognize every specs “go” so you can counter it with your own toolkit

Not only that but also you have to know there cc capabilities

[fading sky]

Nah in low just press defense and pump

U win or they win?

Isnt that solo shuffle for YA

[orchid dagger]

No, you do need to recognize their go and how your kit answers it

[dense elbow]

I just slap things till they die

rating go up

[fading sky]

This

Also warrior counters arent msby

If its melee disarm

Dstance

[orchid dagger]

Monk doesn't care about disarm

[fading sky]

So u try once

[orchid dagger]

You also disarm MM

[fading sky]

And learn

[dense elbow]

I would never start talking about counters for PvP, that is a whole metagame based around movesets and comps that we are both (me and you gokke) very unlikely updated to comment on

[fading sky]

100%

[sullen dove]

u roll your face on keyboard for both low end goals of these game modes

[dense elbow]

Still, if you just treat PvP to your PvE level, it is pretty much the same

[sullen dove]

ksm and 1800 is a joke

[dense elbow]

dinga dong ding ding

[fading sky]

I mean my point is. Knowing opponent ofc matters

But knowing ya own kit will get ya pretty far in pvp

[sullen dove]

1800 maybe marginally more difficult but for a brand brand new player it’s probably as tough getting into an m+ with 0 experience as it is for people to get used to multiple classes but it’s only like 10-12 other classes you have to know the basest of information about

what kind of cc do they have

[coarse nest]

My PvP experience is outstanding!
Charge use all cds the target apparently lives they use all cds on me I die repeat

[sullen dove]

what kind of cc break/defensive do they have

[coarse nest]

Great game mode honestly

[sullen dove]

ong

[dense elbow]

PvP for a brand new player is probably equally as much hell, as M+20s would be

lets be honest

you be lost confused and crying

[orchid dagger]

Little bro didn't click Enraged, you hate to see it

[dense elbow]

You just run around in your HC dungs and M0 and some M2s, delves - as a new player

or just BGs at 1000 MMR as a PvP newb

it is the same thing

different package

[fading sky]

But man u feel it in pve as well, when u meet inexperienced m+ players

[orchid dagger]

You don't lose rating in M+

Which is huge

[fading sky]

Keylvl on key

[orchid dagger]

You get a shitter you brick the key

I get a shitter I deal with more as my rating backslides

[fading sky]

Same punishment

Time

[orchid dagger]

Not really

You can always join someone else's key

[fading sky]

Yes coz thats easy as warrior🤣

[orchid dagger]

On a real class you can

Obviously not on brown class

[dire vigil]

I think a cracked pvper would have an easier time getting title in 1 season than a title m+ player getting elite glad in 1 season

[coarse nest]

I tend to agree

PvP is a whole different ball game

[fading sky]

Both done in pug?

Title as pug in m+ non meta id say is rough

[orchid dagger]

100% true

[marble pilot]

Eh I think you can learn high end pvp or pve in about the same time frame. Its a just a different skill set that needs its own practice. If you are someone putting in 10 hours a day you will get to the top regardless

[dire vigil]

Think of how insanely quick you need to be to beat another insane pvper… that will translate to the systematic, methodical approach of homework -> push keys

[orchid dagger]

It's also easier to "Oh shit" and unfuck a run in pve as a pvper because you know your tools better

[dire vigil]

Elite glads are built diff 100% and the pvers who are like “your game mode doesn’t matter” would get shit on so fast

[orchid dagger]

^

[orchid dagger]

Many such cases

[marble pilot]

Just isnt true

[fading sky]

I mean an svg stupid player

[marble pilot]

You can take someone that has never played wow at all and make them a top 1% person in a single season if they wanted to put in the work.

[fading sky]

Id take a pvper

Pvpers use defensives and kicks

Beats many m+ers in my keys🤣

[orchid brook]

I think top pvpers could learn high m+ faster than high m+ could climb to r1 shuffle

[dire vigil]

What about someone who has never played a mouse and keyboard game?

[fading sky]

Top 1%

Isnt that hard no

[coarse nest]

I watched bajeera a ton when he did retail pvp

[fading sky]

But title is 0.1

[coarse nest]

And also pikaboo

[dire vigil]

Top .1% is very very hard

[fading sky]

Yup

[dire vigil]

These are both insane achievements

[marble pilot]

In a season easy. Take the first week to learn the computer then the other 11 to learn the game. Its all about time and effort. And anyone willing to be the top 1% in anything can do it. Its more about time and effort than skill. You can learn skill

[fading sky]

Top 1%

Y

[coarse nest]

.1% in pvp seems impossible to me

[orchid dagger]

Because it's like 3 people basically

[coarse nest]

But .1% title I could do if I simply made an effort to to join a team

[fading sky]

Top 0.1 is prob another story

[fading sky]

More ppl wouldt make it easier ness

[dire vigil]

But I’m saying the skillset of the person who can get elite glad can walk into high end PVE and do it, an m+ title player is not going in and beating Bajheera in arena

[fading sky]

But again how many years did u play pve

[orchid dagger]

Solo queue is per spec not the entire playerbase

[coarse nest]

I’ve been playing wow pve since wotlk haha

[marble pilot]

top 0.1% will always be different.
only so many people can be rank 50+. And that goes for anything. Thats like saying you can be a world first raider

[coarse nest]

I would say most of it was pretty noober exp up until bfa

When I started doing 15-17 keys and first few mythic bosses

[sullen dove]

Yea pvpers get so much experience dodging mechanics on the ground in pvp

Rain of fire move out!!

[dire vigil]

I started S4 shadowlands and I was a disaster until S3 DF. Like pummel and my defensives weren’t even on my bars because I thought “Whats the point?” 😂

[dense elbow]

But this goes all ways - the top 0.1% of all brackets got their own strengths and weaknesses, not to mention there is a lot of overlap of traits that benefit them in the other systems.

Noone is saying that 0.1% isnt hard. It is the 0.1% of the content, and in a competitive game like WoW that starts to say something.

What people are saying is that general PvP and PvE is kinda the same mush difficulty wise, it is just in different forms.

[fading sky]

So ofc pve will be easier for u🤣

[orchid dagger]

Dodge the trap that's flying at you

[marble pilot]

But top 0.1% and top 1% are not the same. I believe almost anyone can be top 1% or at least top like 2-3% with just time and effort.
Going from top 1 to top 0.1 will be much much harder. In anything. Doesnt have to be wow

[fading sky]

Ye so top 2-3% is what

15s?

In m+

[marble pilot]

I dont actually know. Id guess its around 17?

[fading sky]

If we talkin logs in raid... well fawk me

Nah 17s is 1%

[marble pilot]

Where at the top 0.1 is like 21s

[dense elbow]

1% is what all 17s and some 18s?

[coarse nest]

I’m going for base 16s because that’s what my MM friend has as resil so it requires little effort in LFG

[marble pilot]

17s-21 is a huge gap

[dense elbow]

22s no?

[coarse nest]

Also you don’t have to learn the dungeon that much

[marble pilot]

Are they at 22s now>?

[coarse nest]

It’s kinda still hold W range haha

[dense elbow]

Wait, 0.1%, bracket - is 20s and a few 19s?

[fading sky]

Id wish rio was based on class like pcp

Rewarding bad classes

[dense elbow]

There is a few ppl who do 22s, the avg bracket hasnt been pushed up yet

[dire vigil]

This is a good explanation and I agree. I guess my point is that if you face the Rank 1 elite gladiator and you face the 19-20 key that’s gonna get you title io, beating the rank 1 slite gladiator is the more difficult task

[wary fjord]

it would make it so people branch out more

would be good

[marble pilot]

Even still going from 17 to 19/20 is a huge jump.
just like going from whatever the 1% in pvp is to the 0.1%

[fading sky]

Y so if meta title is 22. Non meta being 19

[wary fjord]

ye basically

[fading sky]

Ppl would try non meta classes

[coarse nest]

I did a 17 dark flame randomly with a friends key and I hadn’t ran that place in like 3 or 4 weeks

[orchid dagger]

Solo Shuffle and BGB are based off of spec

[coarse nest]

It’s not hard to do 17

[marble pilot]

I bet most people that are acutally willing to put in the time to learn and have the goal of doing a 17 can do it. Same as getting to that point in pvp.
But not everyone can make the push past that.

[wary fjord]

it would make it so you see more spec variety

[fading sky]

And it would go up

[coarse nest]

20 seems like that would be hard

[fading sky]

And ppl would learn gap between meta and non meta aint that big

[dire vigil]

I think title should be based on melee dps, ranged dps, healer, tank tbh

Or even class, idk

[wary fjord]

i think it should be spec specific

so u see everythin

[marble pilot]

Same with like playing Overwatch. Or csgo. Or league. If you are putting in the time. doing the research. Maybe paying for coaching. And actually doing the reps with the goal to get better you can hit 1% in any of those.
Going past that point is much much harder

[coarse nest]

Top .1% of each type sounds neat

Melee range tank healer

[orchid dagger]

Spec

[coarse nest]

Yeah I could get with that

[fading sky]

Spec

Fuck fighting dk

[dense elbow]

For me? Probably. For someone else? Probably not?

If you put 5 of me to do a 20, vs me vs an elite glad

Honestly, I kinda give both the same chance of winning, it will be a fluke either way. Be it the glad doing something silly, disconnecting or having a seizure - or me somehow getting the god RNG to get that 20 done.

[orchid dagger]

Literally just make it based off of spec like solo queue is

[light hedge]

Yeah watch some freak then create 30 survival hunters and be all titles by himself

lmao

[wary fjord]

i mean

[coarse nest]

Spec would be cool too but doubt they would ever make an effort for that to be a thing

[wary fjord]

he chose to do that

lol

[orchid dagger]

It's based off of bnet, the other 29 don't count lmao

[fading sky]

Effort is low

[orchid dagger]

Bigdam literally made it that way

[fading sky]

Its more if they are willing

[light hedge]

29 Accounts, all payed by boosting low keys

[wary fjord]

lol

[marble pilot]

There are people like that. People that have nothing else but time for whatever reason.
Runescape had a top 100 thing and one guy had 5 of the slots.

[light hedge]

Unless you go to the same extend korea went with social security number for account registration, you will never be able to avoid it

[marble pilot]

Imagine getting SSN banned. Just cant play wow anymore cause you were toxic or something

[wary fjord]

lol

[coarse nest]

There is no way I would be giving my social to a gaming company to create an account

They can pound sand

Lmao

[orchid dagger]

^

[marble pilot]

You are likely giving it to the government run internet for access. Not the gaming company. But I havnt actually looked at it

[orchid dagger]

Yeah Korea can eat shit

Never taking my tendies or my WoW

[marble pilot]

Gotta get a dna reader on your mouse that takes a blood sample whenever you play. Get DNA banned

[light hedge]

not that far off

you can actually pay by hand print in china

[wary fjord]

bruh, imagine having an identical twin

and bro gets u both banned

[marble pilot]

1v1 for internet rights

[south kayak]

If you know someone’s security number, can you mess up their shit?

I’m not American idk this

[wary fjord]

[light hedge]

yes

[coarse nest]

Wait until the google lenses are required and it scans your reticules lmao

The time is near

[wary fjord]

u can take out loans and shit

do all sorts of messed up stuff

[south kayak]

Sheesh

[marble pilot]

Yes but also no. It is a huge step in gaining access for things liek fraud. But it isnt a free pass

[coarse nest]

You need a name, address, phone number, & social

Fraud is bad

Wish it wasn’t so prevalent

[wary fjord]

wish people were good

[light hedge]

dog eat dog world buddy

[wary fjord]

[fading sky]

Non issue here

[dense elbow]

People mainly are good Your wish has been granted

[marble pilot]

And for the person you are targeting to have not froze their credit.
Sure there are ways around it but makes it harder

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

ppl now good as warrior is 'good' in WoW

[wary fjord]

[marble pilot]

Honestly probably better for the world

[wary fjord]

damn, everyone is mid at best

[orchid dagger]

[dense elbow]

Everyone is low mid, what is the worst that can happen?

[light hedge]

havent been rated that high since preschool, thanks mom

[dense elbow]

Well, in here you are a shining golden star of a goodboy

[marble pilot]

Guys my girl said im Low mid. LETS GOOOOO

[dense elbow]

Lets goooooooo!

[plush zephyr]

[light hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/good-boy-pat-on-head-stitch-gif-14742401

[south kayak]

My girl said I’m s2 TTW augmentation evoker, that’s good, right?

[marble pilot]

Look at this guy all big and stuff

[dire vigil]

She’s seeing s2 DF Aug on the side, sorry bro :/

[light hedge]

i see we have all acclimated to the pink set with cornrows we gonna get

we will be fine

[marble pilot]

You vs the s2 df aug evoker she told you not to worry about

[south kayak]

[orchid dagger]

Pink, little bro I got that pvp black and red

Get fucked

[light hedge]

fair point, new set makes u bottom af anyway

[fading sky]

Ngl new set is some of the worst warrior ive seen esp helm

[light hedge]

nearly all the new sets look dogwater

[marble pilot]

I kinda wish the chain did stand up like in the early images. Its so bad its good

The wrath recolor we got with the goblin event is goated though

[light hedge]

lookin like a 1500's rake out there

its fine

garrosh was right afterall

[orchid dagger]

T2 looks like shit tbh

But it always has

[marble pilot]

The new colors are great. The axehead/shoulders is still a bit memey but its way better than the old version.

[light hedge]

Trial of Style T1 yellow Recolor with Tabard of Fury is where its at

[orchid dagger]

I'm using DF S2 Elite with Honed Bastard Swords and personal tabard to go full crusader look

[light hedge]

1 Pixel whole outfit, and w/e kind of 2 sticks of choice

[orchid dagger]

But yeah is Thane Fury actually going to be decent?

Or am I doing weekly pvp queue on Prot

[dire vigil]

Yeah, it looks good, but slayer in raid still most likely

[marble pilot]

Itll be fun to play. I have no idea how it will be in pvp.

[dire vigil]

But it’s looking like fury tier through and through pending new tuning

[marble pilot]

Lots of tblasts is dopamine

[light hedge]

the pending new tuning part has been the last idk when ptr got up basically

[fading sky]

Ye arms is just more clunky and uptime dependant for juggernaut. And also sims lower

[dire vigil]

I learned to love arms in m+ this season but fury is certainly my preferred spec

[fading sky]

I mean im an arms enjoyer

But slayer isnt fun in raid

[dire vigil]

The jugg stack rng is bad gameplay

[marble pilot]

I play thane every chance I can without it being considered throwing

[fading sky]

Yup

[dire vigil]

Actually no, it’s fine, but not when people are so obsessed with logs

[marble pilot]

Cause thane is fun. But new slayer doesnt look horrible. Less execute tracking more spamming if I read it right

[fading sky]

I mean i lost a 14 stack going into excute om bandit

That sucked so hard

On our first kill

Fury slayer is fine

Arms slayer could be hotfixxed insta

Make jugger 5 stacks not 15

[marble pilot]

Oh I dont play arms in general. Just dont enjoy it much.
Fury always. Occasionally prot when I need to fill in as tank

[sullen dove]

I mean more executes prolly a lot more uptime on Jugg

still a tad rng but imagine you’ll prolly be winning more than you lose going into execute phase

[fading sky]

Ofc but then we are tuned round havin 15 staxks

[sullen dove]

esp if u hold onto your sd’s a bit still

[fading sky]

So its moot

Also any kind of transition or move away its gone

Just make collosus arms bis in raid

And im happy🤣

And slayer fury

[chrome python]

Noob question, sorry for asking, but does Unbridled trigger Berserker's Torment?

[gilded pawn]

No

Has to press the reck button

[chrome python]

Huh. Guess that explains why people don't run it. Cheers.

[gilded pawn]

People don’t run it because it sims poorly

They used to run it when it was tuned higher

[low folio]

it was good before they nerfed it out of existence for no good reason

its awkward to have so many talents underneath the capstones on fury that are just either bad or meh

[gilded pawn]

I don’t think it’s for “no good reason”

I think having 100% uptime on your major cd limits how strong the spec can be

I remember that also came with a huge aura buff

[low folio]

well they didnt make us strong afterwords

[chrome python]

Also is it objectively wrong to like RA more than AM? Because AM, whilst having a cooler name, is kinda miserable to play with

Or should I just shush and play with it

[low folio]

we been bad all expansion

[gilded pawn]

I can see the appeal of RA

[gilded pawn]

We were def not bad all of df

[low folio]

all this expansion

[gilded pawn]

That’s independent of unbridle

[low folio]

i dont think it got nerfed at the beginning of df

[gilded pawn]

Towards the end

[low folio]

then ya, we didnt become some strong spec after they nerfed

we stayed in similar balance and got worse as time went on

[gilded pawn]

It’s similar to shadowlands dh

They had 100% uptime in meta

Didn’t mean they were powerful

Having 100% uptime on a cd is the worst that can happen to your spec

It also makes you giga fucked by uptime

[low folio]

i mean thats just an excuse they made for not wanting to make fury good, which they then proceeded to make it worse

[chrome python]

Alright I swear I'll stop shitting up the discussion but this is what we're rocking so far. Yay? Nay?

[radiant plank]

nay

[gilded pawn]

Refer to wowhead for up to date builds

[vapid tiger]

Archon.gg will show what folks are running too

[chrome python]

Sure, but I guess what I'm looking for is moreso an explanation as to why not these talents. Because if it's numerical, Bladestorm just straight up does more damage than Ravager.

[junior oyster]

The guides explain the thingies

[radiant plank]

Which hero talent are you running

[chrome python]

Thane. I like lightning :D

[radiant plank]

Well RA is just numerically worse than AM

Unhinged gives you blast charges

if you arae spinning with BS

you end up wasting them

[chrome python]

I see, I see.

[low folio]

on thane ravager technically will net more damage i believe but bladestorm is more fun i agree

[radiant plank]

all the recommended builds are mostly based on what sims the best

[chrome python]

I don't trust sims because sims argue that the build I usually run (which is basically the usual one but with RA instead of AM and no CDR talent on Roar) nets more damage than the meta build.

Which has to be wrong.

[limber oar]

To explain deeper, unhinged makes your bladestorm or ravager cast a bloodthirst every other hit. These bloodthrists can proc thunderblast charges which max out at 2 charges. When you are bladestorming you risk overcapping on thunderblast charges.

[chrome python]

Oh, cool cool. I appreciate the input, makes sense.

[marble pilot]

Also you can use other abilities during ravager where as you cant during bladestorm. So ravager plus tblast plus rampage is more than just bladestorm. In the same timeframe

[low folio]

once the next patch hits though, will definitely need to run ravager as thane, the instant reset procs on TB the tier gives would be wasted

[marble pilot]

Bladestorm is more fun though. Ravager is just macroed to reck and otherwise ignored

[chrome python]

Maybe I'm just 14 brained, but I like having all my CDs be the same CD. Explains why I like RA more.

But no, thank you all for your input. I'll adjust.

[south kayak]

I love how fury isn't even on this list in a YT video thumbnail about what you should main in the next patch

[hardy shuttle]

If the cds actually did more than your basic rotation, then that would be good

But ravager just gives you rage to rampage more, and procs thunderblasts with unhinged. And AM just gives even more of that

[junior oyster]

YT is full of noise rn, don't mind the cowards, and don't be one yourself lol

[south kayak]

I don't care about that, I just found it funny

[slim coral]

If you are a fotm player fury will never be on your radar

[low folio]

FDK rise up

[south kayak]

Plenty of the specs in that list aren't fotm

[slim coral]

They have a chance tho

Even survival had its season 4 era

[marble pilot]

I am debating leveling my dh and dk up lol. Dk frost looks fun as an alt. And if the dh spec is fun its nice to be ready.
I dont really like VDH tanking though.

[south kayak]

3

[gilded pawn]

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with liking RA

[slim coral]

4

[south kayak]

was worse in 4 but still strong

[gilded pawn]

The icon changes when you press cds is good dopamine

[slim coral]

Triple stacking survival was funny

[south kayak]

season 3 is when they got their set with the KM reset stuff, isn't it

Unless they didn't get stronger until 4

[slim coral]

Just shows utility doesn’t matter

[low folio]

season 3 and 4 they were at the top next to destro locks

[slim coral]

Tomato

[south kayak]

Yeah I always tell people arguing about utility to just look at survival meta lol

[polar narwhal]

🫣

[south kayak]

bro is cooked

[orchid dagger]

SL Sepulcher pvp moment

[polar narwhal]

this is a buff right

[south kayak]

Stop baiting

[odd stone]

Why do the guides talk about raging blow with respect to brutal finish, is mostly just emphasizing building stacks before the improved rampage, even if it means capping rage?

[marble pilot]

Bro quoted himself

[gilded pawn]

Ya

[iron portal]

BFA Season 1 Fury

Thirst for battle it was i think

Bloothirst made you speed up and clear slows

[low folio]

fuck i loved that pvp talent

[iron portal]

I love barbarian too for world BUT THEY TOOK IT

[low folio]

ya i miss it

[iron portal]

Cant believe that even whirlwind damage is capped

[low folio]

i remember in bfa season 1 2v2 arena, rogue was super strong but rogues couldnt get away from fury as we cleared all the slows and gained movement speed from it

[ashen pine]

Stupid Blizzard still thinks that the 5 target limit for melee is great. What's going on in their heads?

[gilded pawn]

I think the concern is ww spam >8 or something

[iron portal]

It would be concern

[gilded pawn]

That would be pretty bad gameplay lol

[iron portal]

If fury in AOE was great

[low folio]

they could just put it on a cd like thunder clap

[iron portal]

It was even gameplay in SL

[gilded pawn]

Yeah I didn’t like that gameplay

But even that was capped

Just tuned very high

[iron portal]

and needed talent

or was it leggo i dont remember

[gilded pawn]

Conduit

[iron portal]

But you would only spam it after Bladestorm anyway

[gilded pawn]

Ya It would be 24/7

If it’s full uncapped now lol

[iron portal]

Could have at least changed 5 to 8 imho but that is more on personal gripe than anything else . I dont want gameplay to be spam one button but its weird it is soft capped at 5

[low folio]

they just change the slayer tier set to proc reap the storm off of whirlwind

spin to spin to spin

[gilded pawn]

Even going from 5 to 8 would possibly cause ww spam

At like 7 or so

[iron portal]

maybe im just crazy

[dense elbow]

Just move it from RB to SD procs, and make it a 100% reap chance for 200% reap dam, make big button big

[sour tundra]

How we looking for the season 3 dungeon pool?

[modest condor]

not sure yet, havent seen enough data after the buffs from yesterday, but i think we're doing better than this season

[dense elbow]

Kinda hard depends if they knock everyone else down or not

[low folio]

slayers is the new mythic plus spec definitely 🙂

slayer stonks are rising

[dense elbow]

Slayer Arms the new pick eh?

[low folio]

big arms executes when

its criminal that slayer doesnt make arms executes hit for like 15 mill

[dense elbow]

How high do they go tho?

[low folio]

idk

[dense elbow]

Gotta be quite hefty, with all the mods

[low folio]

i assume not hefty enough

[polar narwhal]

Warrior's are bad at Execute anyways, since we "attempt" like a 100 times before we maybe manage to do it properly. 😄

[low folio]

i guess i never actually tried slayer arms

[polar narwhal]

Pretty sure Protection Executes hit harder than Fury's.

[dense elbow]

As it is a spender, you shouldnt be surprised that it does

[gilded pawn]

Prot execute hits harder than any execute in the game

[fading sky]

Yes

Make sd fuck

[south kayak]

lmfao

Doesn't prot get 3 target Execute next season

[fading sky]

Prot lost juggernaut

[dense elbow]

We are simple brains, we just want button to shine, press and screen go boom

[polar narwhal]

where tier that gives rampage a chance to automatically cast execute

[fading sky]

We want sd which is supposed.to be big dopaminr

[polar narwhal]

;9

[fading sky]

To be big dopemine

[south kayak]

There isn't a tier like that

[polar narwhal]

That's why I said where

[south kayak]

🤷‍♂️

[polar narwhal]

🤦‍♂️

[south kayak]

Sounds like a shit tier tbh

[gilded pawn]

Cast at 25% effectiveness

lol

Ya

Until you just chain rampages

[dense elbow]

Fury, enraged, 1 million
Prot, 2 mill

Prot also got jugg - so, ye prot wins hard

[polar narwhal]

I love how it still has the 0 - 20 Rage tooltip.

[gilded pawn]

What about arms

[tranquil nimbus]

the prot one cleaves on it s own too

[gilded pawn]

In shadowlands prot was just the best exec in the game

[tranquil nimbus]

this is how i see warrior changes

[gilded pawn]

Pi goes onto prot

[tranquil nimbus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/777589453660225596/1154206552052465754/attachment.gif

"this is perfect"

[summer quail]

prot won't have jugg for long. now remove it from arms as well

[south kayak]

Midnight TM

[dense elbow]

Prot missing out, when you finally want to actually spam it - fbm

[polar narwhal]

@tranquil nimbus see this

[summer quail]

even if you do want to spam it, it relying on stacking for it to do damage is so ass

[dense elbow]

Prot already does dam baseline

so yeah

these aint no weird fury executes, that needs mods to do dam

no sir

[summer quail]

yup and now on ptr they cleave exe for free(with a talent)

[dense elbow]

this prot

they slap

So losing the gigamod actually hurts more

[fading sky]

Just delete juggernaut

[polar narwhal]

spells don't feel so good again unfortunately

[olive wraith]

Day 2 of feeling hype for the buffs

[fading sky]

I mean every buff we can get

Thane has to start lookin decent

Fdk got a 12% nerf as well

So we closin the gap

[olive wraith]

A lot of the overturned specs did

Wonder how mages are feeling. I don’t know their kits well enough if the class buffs neutralize the
Tier nerfs

[fading sky]

Oh its mages m8

Its a net buff

But they will complain

[olive wraith]

Is it a net buff? Some of the tier got gutted

[south kayak]

I don't know if it's a net buff

I saw how much fire mage did before these 2 tier nerfs

it was way more

[fading sky]

If not no worries

They will get more buffs

[marble pilot]

Wonder what the dps goals are for the season

Like are they wanting people to be at 5m st? 10ish aoe? Is it not that specific?

[dense elbow]

we will know when tuning hits after raid is released

[fading sky]

Problem for them is this

18% raid buff

[marble pilot]

Yeah going to be based on what they want raid dps to be. Still curious.

[fading sky]

So ppl expect to do more dmg next tier

So numbers will be decent

[marble pilot]

Oh saying we gotta be 18% stronger than previous season otherwise dps goes down in raid cause we dont have that buff to start

[fading sky]

Thats where we start no?

Like first weeks of raids gonns feel so dog

[marble pilot]

Eh makes sense. But I dont think it has to be that way

[fading sky]

We loose head enchant As well

Sts gonna look so shit🤣

[marble pilot]

Missing tier set and only gaining some item level I wont be surprised if the first 1-2 weeks is lower dps.

[dense elbow]

That DPS loss will hit no matter what tho, when you first enter the new raid

[marble pilot]

But with tier sets yeah we gotta be at least those numbers

[fading sky]

100% i gues thats why nerfs to bosses is better than borrowed poerr

[marble pilot]

The ilvl alone might be enough to make up for it. Then add the tiersets to it and further ilvl over time

[dense elbow]

I havent raided with this new aura buff, it it prob will feel kinda weird

[fading sky]

At least m+ curve aint enough

Rough

[marble pilot]

just m0 week 1 right?
I havnt really done m+ on release week. Curious to see how hard it is at very start of a season

[hard widget]

Yes

[dense elbow]

ya go from doing 1.26m ST DPS to 1m DPS
Ppl gonna be hit by that "my dps now sucks" blues

[hard widget]

Week 1 is m0

[dense elbow]

It will be really easy, dont worry, and a neat way to learn the new dungs

[hard widget]

We play quite a few recycled dungeons

[marble pilot]

and m0 should be just fine for most of us.
More curious about how hard it is to get into 10s for vault on week 2

[hard widget]

Its easy to already start learning if you want

[loud patrol]

What’s release day again

[hard widget]

Usually its easy on late seasons

Only season 1 is usually a bit difficult

[olive wraith]

Aug 5 m0

[loud patrol]

Thanks

[marble pilot]

like 18 days till m0 week. Coming up pretty quick

[earnest canyon]

Can you boost me?

[dense elbow]

The fury mass AoE dam profile perfection

[oblique thistle]

10% whirlwind damage really showing its power here I see

[south kayak]

Definitely not the 150% WW buff this season

[marble pilot]

lvl 11 tw fury tank stonks go up

[twilit narwhal]

Is there any trinket next season that's good for fury? I think Ara Kara egg is going to be bis, but idk about the others

I think something that gives us mastery should be perfect

[young swan]

halls of atonement trinket and pacemaker are both up there

[marble pilot]

Also some trinket that builds stacks that we can macro to avatar right?

[rigid stirrup]

They'll be a general good list for trinkets but we won't know what's bis bis for a week or two because they love randomly tuning trinket at the start

[marble pilot]

I think it builds to 2 mins but you can spend it early every 90? I dunno if its actually good or not though

[twilit narwhal]

I thought the issue with pacemaker is that it gives a lower value stat

[south kayak]

I think they should increase the proc rate of reap to always proc on 5 targets with BT

[marble pilot]

I think crit proc will go pretty good. Cause we will already have plenty of haste and mastery on base gear

[young swan]

crit is still a good stat

[marble pilot]

I mean it was already good this season. Cant see that changing

[twilit narwhal]

I haven't seen one trinket that I believe fits fury perfectly. I think Slayer arms is going to love that fractillus trinket that works like spymasters for execute

[orchid dagger]

Crit is an OK stat

It's just devalued because Reck exists

[young swan]

when u start hitting drs on mastery and haste it becomes quite good quite fast

[marble pilot]

Doesnt it have crazy uptime as well?

[young swan]

50%

[orchid dagger]

More in pvp

[south kayak]

wait how long is it lol

[orchid dagger]

Yes

[twilit narwhal]

Drs are like 25k on each stat?

[young swan]

lasts 30s and has 30s cd

[south kayak]

oh

doesn't that make it 100% uptime

[orchid dagger]

Something like that

We are already hitting soft caps now

[jolly marten]

ok after i played a little i can say that its not the fury thats bad its that some specs are crazy strong right now

[young swan]

sorry 30s uptime, 1min cd, 30s of downtime

[south kayak]

Exactly

[candid falcon]

yup

[orchid dagger]

Which makes us bad by default

[south kayak]

Ok

[light hedge]

We arent poor other people just richer

narnia gatekeep

[jolly marten]

the only downside is that its too random, its feels very different from pull to pull depending on how many procs we will have

[south kayak]

so it makes us and most of the specs in the game bad?

by your logic

[orchid dagger]

I mean yeah, why play a mid spec when you can play the cracked methhouse

[marble pilot]

Alot of 2min trinkets this season though. I dont think there are any 90 sec ones.

[south kayak]

Ok at least your logic is consistent

[south kayak]

There is one

[gusty maple]

mt is ok slayer in pits

[young swan]

hoa trinket and power triangle are both 1.5m

[candid falcon]

im a big fan of slayer in keys

[orchid dagger]

Slayer has no shot atm

Thane all day

[south kayak]

I think Slayer would benefit from BT always proccing reap on 5 targets

[jolly marten]

as danwarrior said to his stream and i agree, blizz will go the easy way, nerf 1-3 specs instead of buffing everyone else

we are safe with nerfs (i hope)

[south kayak]

That's not the "easy way"

[jolly marten]

sometimes they dont make sense

[south kayak]

that's their target dps

if you buff everyone to be like dk and mm

you're risking making content easier

[light hedge]

maybe i go check out rogue discord

[orchid dagger]

Kek

[light hedge]

[young swan]

they are huffing more doomium than we are

[south kayak]

do what you wanna do

I ain't stopping you

[orchid dagger]

Bro really did say fuck it play piss class

[light hedge]

yeah i wanted to feel good for a second

[south kayak]

if your piss looks that yellow, you should get checked out

[jolly marten]

hmm im sure that i agree.. since m+ can be harder and harder forever and in mythic raid all comes down to mechanics, you cant outdmg everything in wow i think

[orchid dagger]

No, mine is red white and blue 🇺🇸

[light hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/merica-america-murcia-usa-drink-gif-8694483657974374888

[young swan]

powercreep is not how you solve balance

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/sfm-soldier-tf2-meme-american-gif-24728385

[south kayak]

Yeah, that's just a bad idea alltogether

[jolly marten]

yeah but in the end its a game.. and its fun to be "strong"

[orchid dagger]

RAISE HELL PRAISE DALE BROTHER

[lean bluff]

probably the most interesting blue note in a while. Blizz thinks mage is generally average

[jolly marten]

i dont think a gamer will say

Well i do average and logical damage, im having so much fun

instead they will go

dude i destroy everything
pew pew pew

[orchid dagger]

Blizzard will never make Mage average

[south kayak]

That's not what they're saying. They're saying that the mage specs are average compared to their tier set power, which it was and that's why they nerfed the tier sets and buffed them baseline

No need to thank me

[lean bluff]

I'm not sure that's what "Mage's generally average performance" means. Arcane was looking real good on ptr better than any warrior spec

No need to reply

[south kayak]

Ugh

Anyway

[willow cradle]

reply anyways

🙂

I wanna hear

[smoky vale]

rage bait better you slipping

[south kayak]

Of course not but that's not what's better for the game

[orchid dagger]

Shit you right, this is now Sword and Board Fury chat

[south kayak]

Didn't we talk about this yesterday

[jolly marten]

so whats the opener in aoe with spear?
reckl-charge-spear-avatar-thunderclap-ravager?

[orchid dagger]

Where the fuck are all of your weaponswap macros?

[south kayak]

Player vs Dev PoV

[olive wraith]

Probably ravager before spear?

You’ll want maximum TB in spear window

[south kayak]

Yeah ravager before

[jolly marten]

i forgot a rampage also

[storm birch]

In MT I do my reck/avatar macro -charge - whirlwind before charge ends - rampage - ravager - spear -spam TB

Works like a charm

[jolly marten]

whirlwind?

[storm birch]

Yea it’s basically a free global. Use during charge. Then you’ll cleave your rampage rather than wasting an unenraged TB or doing a single target rampage to get enraged

[dire vigil]

If you do reck charge avatar Ravager, you can hit a rampage into TB without having to WW

[storm birch]

It won’t be cleaved tho

Your rampage

[dire vigil]

Ahh true yeah

[storm birch]

The whirlwind is during charge

It’s free global and damage

I don’t see many people do this not sure why

[toxic jewel]

i got called mean names for doing this

[dire vigil]

I guess you can just thunderclap though then avatar and you’ll get TB insta proc back

So no need to ww still

[storm birch]

That wasted a global

On thunder clap

Why not take the free whirlwind haha

I have a clip of it in action but idk what rules are for sharing

[jolly marten]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqYDFemawss

this one?

[storm birch]

It’s a micro optimization just makes your first rampage cleave instead of ST but it’s still nice

[storm birch]

Well I made a short of the rotation

[toxic jewel]

yup

[storm birch]

Against the dummies

[jolly marten]

arent we suppose to sandbagging?

what this dude is doing?

giving us to the vultures

[storm birch]

Lmao these are pigs and the pills are sloppy. It’s a poor representation of our actual strength

[radiant plank]

u know why enh never gets nerfed? cos their discord is fucking DEAD and doesnt have 5 turboautists simming every single variable every single hour of the day, THEY FLY UNDER THE RADAR meanwhile our buff gets annoucned and 5 minutes later we got a full scientific paper detailing how its a 11.959185% buff with 0% margin of error u did this to yourselves. the nerf is because of hubris.... you people were not satisfied with being a strong spec. You had to rub it in everyone's faces. You're autistic, period. HUMAN NATURE dictates that you will be jealous of your neighbour if he has more than you, so why do you RUB all those insane sims in other classes' faces? here and all over wowhead? What did you expect to happen? that shit ass warlocks would look on those numbers and be like "oh good for them"? so fucking dumb

[summer quail]

u know why enh never gets nerfed? cos their discord is fucking DEAD and doesnt have 5 turboautists simming every single variable every single hour of the day, THEY FLY UNDER THE RADAR meanwhile our buff gets annoucned and 5 minutes later we got a full scientific paper detailing how its a 11.959185% buff with 0% margin of error u did this to yourselves. the nerf is because of hubris.... you people were not satisfied with being a strong spec. You had to rub it in everyone's faces. You're autistic, period. HUMAN NATURE dictates that you will be jealous of your neighbour if he has more than you, so why do you RUB all those insane sims in other classes' faces? here and all over wowhead? What did you expect to happen? that shit ass warlocks would look on those numbers and be like "oh good for them"? so fucking dumb

[south kayak]

Who is he talking about lol

[storm birch]

Oops meant pugs lmao

[pulsar quest]

I saw critcake get gapped by a hunter doing 13m

This thumbnail makes me think that Hunter stinks

[south kayak]

that hunter would be gapping anyone except fdk

[pulsar quest]

Fury slayer will be ass in m+ comparatively

[south kayak]

He def does

[storm birch]

Yea the pulls weren’t the great

[jolly marten]

dafaq is this?

[pulsar quest]

Cool content though, always love to see more warrio vids

[storm birch]

Greatest

Had a couple 3 target pulls

[south kayak]

Copypasta

[earnest canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/wario-dance-party-mario-ghost-gif-16331962770303635229

[pulsar quest]

Was thinking of making some myself for my 19s I been spamming during resi, any advice?

[jolly marten]

from where? what is the context?

[pulsar quest]

I was just gonna slam record on the vid and slap some music on it

[south kayak]

No clue

[storm birch]

🙏🏻 someone’s gotta pump out some examples to get the people hype!

[south kayak]

Never saw it before

[toxic jewel]

oh yeah i still do it lmfao

[storm birch]

Depends! Theres different ways to go. You can do a voiceover after talking through your thought process. Or just upload the raw vod. I think most people use it to see what they can improve on (assuming they’re trying to get to whatever level you’re currently at) or in the PTR example just seeing how warrior is looking

[storm birch]

Yea the whirlwind mid charge is engrained in my brain now. Cant take it back !

[storm birch]

https://youtube.com/shorts/qE27kfIGTIg?si=3-hsxHcYFhUyn7Wh peep the whirlwind during charge. Tacks on a little dmg too cause whirlwind although kinda weak still does add up

Don’t mind my cringe titles plz

[south kayak]

Clickbait titles

classic

[storm birch]

Lmfao

[south kayak]

That's what works tbh

[storm birch]

Just a small warrior tryna make it in a big Azeroth

[gilded pawn]

You get more dps heroic throwing before charging

Than ww

[south kayak]

are you sure about that lol

[storm birch]

How?

[south kayak]

ww does a decent amount of damage

[storm birch]

Isn’t ww uncapped?

[jolly marten]

no way, ww now does some decent dmg

[storm birch]

You might be thinking a single target.against sprocketmonger for example I heroic throw first instead. I agree there

[south kayak]

WW's thumbnail is like 250,000 on one target

[gilded pawn]

Sorry I mean wrecking throw

[south kayak]

from my PTR

why would you use wrecking throw

[gilded pawn]

If you are doing it mid charge I also doubt you get all 3 ticks

[south kayak]

he wants ww stacks on charge

[storm birch]

Oh I don’t talent that typically unless I’m reclearint raszageth 😦

[south kayak]

doesn't matter I think, he wants to get cleave charges

[gilded pawn]

Also binding ww on thane for 1 global is cringe activities

[jolly marten]

its not that you have a lot of k things anyway bind

[storm birch]

Oh right that’s the big one there. You wanna cleave your first rampage that you need to enrage you before TB

[jolly marten]

its totally doable and easy, aint that min max

[storm birch]

You just press the whirlwind keybind right after you hit charge and it will connect by the time you hit the pack

Not a lot to add

[jolly marten]

ive tried just now

[coarse nest]

Known macro with thunderclap and whirlwind

This is the way

[storm birch]

It’s a good builder for your first set of TB. You just throw out all your buffs then hope you get resets on TB during your spear window

Then the real dmg comes in 🙂

[storm birch]

Also it’s one global any time you’re entering a new pack with cooldowns ready to charge in with. So it gets used quite a bit throughout a dungeon tbf

(Unless you have leftover cleave stacks from previous pack or still enraged and can pop a TB right away

[meager hound]

Do you have WW on a hidden keybind? I don't see it on your bars anywhere.

[storm birch]

Yes it’s on Z haha

I just know to press it

[meager hound]

That's fine. I was just wondering where it was, lol.

[storm birch]

Cause that’s where it is for me on slayer so I added it to my muscle memory

[meager hound]

Yep. I try to keep similar abilities on the same button across specs/class.

[storm birch]

^

[edgy widget]

tbf if you're pressing Spear, you're also pressing Avatar which means you can just use TC on the pull and Avatar will reset its cooldown anyway

The separate-WW tech is only minorly useful for pulls when Avatar isn't available (or you're holding a TB charge)

[storm birch]

Well I get brain overload and have reck and avatar on a macro and cast them right pre charge. (Yea prolly lose a sec of avatar doing so but if I don’t I get lost in the sauce sometimes)

But I agree the way you’re saying would def work.

[edgy widget]

fair, just pointing out that it's not majorly important - I'd really consider it a personal "do I wanna bother with the extra keybind or not" type thing

I just keep TC and WW on the same bind, so to me it ain't worth introducing a whole other key just for that

[storm birch]

Absolutely a good point to make for those who don’t use a macro like I do

Yup I get that for sure. I like my big AoE dmg abilities on R also when TB was a thing it ended up there instead of Z so that’s how I get where I am lmao

[gilded pawn]

Binding ww>binding avatar I guess

lol

[edgy widget]

but if you're an overachiever like Oxxy who keeps every ability on a distinct bind that you don't mind pressing, then sure 🙃

[limber oar]

LOOOL

[storm birch]

No need to cross it out I fear 🙂‍↔️

[limber oar]

Whyd u scratch that out

Now ur rewriting history

[edgy widget]

because its not a nice word, be respectful you absolute donut

[storm birch]

I own it 😎

[limber oar]

Hey i didnt say anything

[edgy widget]

I'm watching you

[south kayak]

[limber oar]

Although ive definitely called a few ragebaiters and pvpers zoo animals before

[edgy widget]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[storm birch]

Back during brood mythic I had to separate reck and avatar and I hated it so much hah

So this just worked better for me

[gilded pawn]

Interesting

[storm birch]

I wouldn’t put it in a monolith and say it’d work for all. Just introducing options :d

[limber oar]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-shy-gif-26415291

[south kayak]

Yo Archi, what’s your opinion on the addons “purge”?

[hollow elk]

is calling someone a monkey considered bad nowadays?

[gilded pawn]

I think it’s more of a loss for you to bind ava+reck than you gain from separate binding ww

[storm birch]

I’d have to evaluate what’s actually lost but I think it shakes out to like a little less than a second of avatar loss

[gilded pawn]

More like

If reck ava is up mid fight

And you have tb charges

You would reck-spend tb-ava

[undone flower]

Binding ww > Big Nuke Macro (Reck/Avatar/Roar/trinkets)

[edgy widget]

yall really over thinking this lol

[high echo]

You're playing one of the most free flow specs

Just go and press buttons

[gilded pawn]

Ya

The one extra ww you get at the beginning of a pack isn’t making a difference

[high echo]

Use everything on Cd and enjoy

[high echo]

Archi, is raw execute viable to use in rotation in exes phase now?

[undone flower]

I used bladestorm on cd in S2, never hold

[summer quail]

not archi but no. you send sd as soon as you can tho

[edgy widget]

not really, still waiting for marks/sd for the tier

the 10% Exe buff is nice, but its the free Slayer's Strike that really adds up

[high echo]

Aight thanks both of you bois

[high echo]

Figured

[edgy widget]

Fish and I were actually talking about that right now, after finding a minor bug

[high echo]

Lol wow

[undone flower]

They cooked with the slayer 2p ngl

[limber oar]

How many marks do we send on does it seem like?

[jade cipher]

guys for raid

[limber oar]

I heard when the tier gave 20% exe dmg you sent on like 1 mfe stack did that change with the nerf

[jade cipher]

do we use crit on belt?

just a normal question dont ask me to sim it

[undone flower]

Sim it

[edgy widget]

right now just 1, but tbd