#fury

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young swan
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tier

sage ridge
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I am glad the tier set is actually fun this time around

young swan
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thane looks pretty promising

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for m+ anyways

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SUPER swingy

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but when the dopamine hits, it HITS

proven stream
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It's the improved ww change that's most significant right

sage ridge
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Fury Thane is probably my favorite version of warrior right now

young swan
graceful ruin
young swan
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they're probably pretty similar

languid marsh
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Next season I'm just going slayer in dungeons and spamming whirlwind in big pulls

graceful ruin
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massive

proven stream
young swan
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oh then yeah

proven stream
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Bladestorm and ww dmg does nothing for MT

young swan
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correct

graceful ruin
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whats the chance to trigger the ionising again?

young swan
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35%

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basically 35% chance every tblast to proc a 2x dam tblast and reset its cooldown

inland flame
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Plus a bunch of extra dam (that doesn't scale with aoe)

graceful ruin
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yea the fact that it isn't aoe scaling is really funny

proven stream
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How's MT Fury ST compared to col arms in keys?

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I kinda feel ass on ST on live rn

olive wraith
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I’m pretty sure it’s way better

oblique thistle
young swan
young swan
olive wraith
oblique thistle
proven stream
olive wraith
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This is pre buff from last week

modest condor
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priory tells me that aoe is not always pad

dense elbow
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Prio tells me prio dam is king Hydrate it is in the name

proven stream
modest condor
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thane plays whirlwind talents on st

red berry
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since the tierset is tied to thunder blast

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well

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use it

proven stream
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Ah true

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But thane pure st still isn't comparable to slayer for ST Raid right

rough rover
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NO U

proven stream
dense elbow
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He is doing a bit

oblique thistle
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bro saw the warlock changes and his brain is fried

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those numbers on diabolist were enormous

rough rover
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why so unfriend

dense elbow
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No u

oblique thistle
rough rover
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im asking because every single warrior i see on m+ is always grey parsing 😦

dense elbow
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All of them? Wowsies

proven stream
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Well I'm warlock main swapping to warrior lul

oblique thistle
rough rover
proven stream
oblique thistle
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valid

rough rover
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?????????????????????????

dense elbow
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Not sure if Ava is trolling, or is just slightly booped. Either way, key time. Hf lados

oblique thistle
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I mean lock does look p good in keys if you play magic dam comp but phys comp looks pretty good too

bitter palm
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phys comp gonna fuck

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next season

proven stream
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Nah its been real hard trying to justify lock to others in magic comp when they can get ai or motw or pi even though I bring big dam

proven stream
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At least warrior is 100% required in phys comp

oblique thistle
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well fury is looking to be pretty fun next season

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I might swap back to it myself

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I didn't play it this season

proven stream
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Looking forward to it, been only trying out col arms on live atm

bitter palm
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colo arms / thane fury

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is gonna be played

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depending on what you need more prolly

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thane fury is tankier but i doubt it will ever make a difference

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considering how tanky colo arms is

proven stream
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What's looking to be played on more fights in raid? Fury?

bitter palm
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yes

proven stream
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Yeah ill prob m+ as fury then due to gearing

bitter palm
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meh

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just get a crit ring

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and u unlcok 99% of colo dps

proven stream
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Not opposed to trying arms if I get gear for it

bitter palm
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if arms gets its 20% bleed damage back

olive wraith
oblique thistle
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Play what you like/what you're comfortable with obviously

bitter palm
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prolly gonna be the way over thane

bitter palm
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cause colo st is awful

proven stream
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I think I'm OK on both ill just play what's better

olive wraith
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Just aura nerf prot and give the bleed back

proven stream
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Yeah I do feel awful on colo st in keys atm

bitter palm
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its not even in keys thats the main issue

olive wraith
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It’s a little better next season cause ska

oblique thistle
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Dont worry if you play fury right now you'll have the exact opposite problem

bitter palm
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its just baseline

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very weak

oblique thistle
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Much better on ST and dogshit in aoe

bitter palm
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ptr fury

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thane

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is not dogshit at aoe

oblique thistle
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PTR yea

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much better than live

bitter palm
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meat cleaver buffs are very big

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on top of no tierset nerfs

proven stream
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Yeah I'm keen to try thane if tuning isn't dogshit

oblique thistle
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I wouldn't be surprised to see more buffs come our way because of how ass our cds are

bitter palm
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for me very fun gameplay

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very hectic

oblique thistle
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but even if they dont fury seems to be doing ok

bitter palm
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fury is absolutely fine

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on ptr atm

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its just fdk/mm/bm are

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insanely broken

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compared to the rest

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and everyone plays fdk/mm/bm

oblique thistle
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improved whirlwind change is very very good

olive wraith
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What

bitter palm
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people keep baiting

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just ignore

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fury chat moment

winter shoal
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Fury channel today bringing the real warrior brain vibes

oblique thistle
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yeah I've done my fair share of baiting here lol

proven stream
bitter palm
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no

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fdk got shot with 12% and its still broken

oblique thistle
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need targeted ability nerfs

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most likely

bitter palm
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why

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just aura

proven stream
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Kekw

bitter palm
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if they are happy with the breakdown

winter shoal
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Literally it takes 10 seconds to plug 65 / 55 into a calculator and see that the imp ww change I'd massive

bitter palm
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nono it isnt cause

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uhm

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cause

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uhm

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bt isnt critting for 7mil

proven stream
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What's the main offender on fdk actually? Exterminate?

bitter palm
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no clue ngl but i think so

oblique thistle
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reapers mark

bitter palm
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reapers mark

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it got 30% recently afaik

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buff

bitter palm
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to reduce rng

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atm

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12.0 rework

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surely

vagrant garden
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i see what you mean. Sticking to 5-target and shit. but as others said not much to expect a few weeks away from next season. The more we get the better. eventually it all comes down to the numbers tbh.

bitter palm
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and atm we are doing good numbers wise

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just not good compared to fdk mm bm

vagrant garden
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that's really good to hear, thanks

bitter palm
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but no one is doing good compared to them

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i watched people play ptr and played it myself

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we are nowhere near fdk but again

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fdk is busted

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compared to non outliers we are like middle of the pack

winter shoal
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You can actually just log into ptr and hit dummies

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Don't even need an active sub to do it

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Very powerful tactic

bitter palm
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dooming when its deserved is fine

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but dooming today was just brainrot

oblique thistle
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guys its over

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We aren't doing uncapped aoe, fury is deadge in keys

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reroll

bitter palm
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if fdk stays the same and dimensius lines up for fdk

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its gonna get shot

junior gale
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you just gotta pray FDK is busted in raid

bitter palm
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its gonna get deleted

junior gale
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then blizz will actually nerf it

bitter palm
junior gale
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RIP FDK

bitter palm
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idk after these nerfs

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but first raid testing it was very busted

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doubt 12% changes much when it was like 20% ahead

opal monolith
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holy we are so back

bitter palm
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is being busted on a single important boss

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you do understand 90% of people dont log m+ right

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expecially not ptr

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when it's irrelevant cause tuning isnt done

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spec can look busted then explode 1 week before patch drops

olive wraith
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Gotta log all those invalid ptr keys

winter shoal
bitter palm
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ptr logs

junior gale
bitter palm
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add m+ auras

winter shoal
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Slayer is probably going to do a little bit of piping in raid

junior gale
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they do have auras

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they just dont use em

bitter palm
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ye true

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darkness and shit innit

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could put rally in there chatting

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its crazy that rally isn't stronger in 5 man content

winter shoal
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I mean rally is beans even in raid

bitter palm
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ye but raid i can somewhat understand rally being not good

olive wraith
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Comes to fury just to meme

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Gotta love it

bitter palm
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being forced into multiple warriors for rally isnt good design imo

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keep it useless in raid so i can lose less globals

winter shoal
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My RL doesn't even assign rallies keks

bitter palm
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not useless but not very good either

olive wraith
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I think it is silly that rally doesn’t get increased in 5 man

bitter palm
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i dont recall saving anyone with rally since inspiring presence removal

olive wraith
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Like so many other raid spells do

bitter palm
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ye

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legit rally buff in 5man and safeguard and we are golden

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i wish fury had access to colo shockwave

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insane cc

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20s cd stun and knockup

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with rumbling earth

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buff thane "safeguard"

proven stream
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honest question, how's MT vs Slayer looking for next raid?

winter shoal
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Slayer probably every fight except maybe DH boss and the goon cage boss

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Those two might also be slayer fight as well tho

young swan
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thane prob good on 3 fights

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MAYBE 4

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depends what dimensius looks like

winter shoal
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Oh you think araz maybe?

proven stream
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i take it thane only has a chance if there's adds?

young swan
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im thinking soulbinder, dh, nk saladbar, possibility for dimensius

winter shoal
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Oh yeah

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Saladbar has enough adds for thane to be real?

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Or you mean for the 2t in p2

young swan
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its 2 target for a lot of it

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and has a damage amp phase

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and has a lot of adds

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so its possible

winter shoal
modest condor
young swan
winter shoal
modest condor
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big whirlwind buffs

young swan
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true

modest condor
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and it's strong enough on st that thane apparently cant catch up yet on 2t

young swan
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oh wowzers

modest condor
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was like 200k difference or something iirc

hallow sphinx
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🐊

tepid cedar
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PRAISE THE FUCKING LORDS

modest condor
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was more than 200k even

young swan
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oh wow lmfao

young swan
tepid cedar
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im actualy excited with the 65% cleave now

olive wraith
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Man too bad we don’t have top or rookery next season

slim coral
tepid cedar
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with new b buffs, we will be competing now. slayer might be really good in m+ as well with certain specs that aoe alot

slim coral
modest condor
slim coral
modest condor
sullen dove
tepid cedar
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go click shit for us

slim coral
hallow sphinx
echo rapids
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What keybinds do you all use for rb/rampage/bt/exec?

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I stared using mouse buttons and mouse wheel - feels good in raid but makes mousing over for interrupts kind of akward

olive wraith
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1-4

winter shoal
olive wraith
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Are my high apm buttons

winter shoal
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onslaught has been on 2 since df but we haven't taken that ability in like 2 years

turbid bay
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Suprised that so many people bind stuff to mousewheel

winter shoal
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Mousewheel is sick

turbid bay
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Cant zoom out camera

winter shoal
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Sure you can, just rebind zoom in/out

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Mine are on home/end

turbid bay
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Yeah fair

winter shoal
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But also why do you need to zoom

turbid bay
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When i was playing guardian druid

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I shoulda

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Booba... na no reason really fights with odd camera angles i might tho

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Pretty few and far between tho really

remote zephyr
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do your guys' guild improv mug soak or do you assign quadrants

pearl sequoia
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improv

turbid bay
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Improv as a melee i usually just get whats available in uptime

pearl sequoia
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for me anyway its either im soaking a close one with 10 other people or im leaping to narnia to save the day

tulip tundra
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mythic jastor or capital punisher? last dinar; have eye, bis

young swan
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jastor

remote zephyr
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ya jastor

tulip tundra
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tys

pearl sequoia
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capital punisher = extra hot sauce

turbid bay
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Dmg is dmg

sullen dove
junior gale
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hold up

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Cbt raid

winter shoal
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Guys fury is SO DEAD

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Riot in the streets NOW

sullen dove
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damn those casters must suck

proven stream
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hoooly

winter shoal
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Who would've guessed that keys with MDI winners aren't identical to random pug weeklies

olive wraith
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Is baze still streaming

proven stream
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yes

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he might be losing to afflock

dusky moon
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so

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is everyone celebrating

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I hear warrior got buffed

winter shoal
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If you didn't think fury warriors were dumb before Larias

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You should read this channel today

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People were dooming about having been buffed 20%

dusky moon
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I'm sure it was happy

winter shoal
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Makes no sense

inland flame
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Its the same healthy combo of hopium huffing and dooming that we always get

fiery edge
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yo we're back?

tepid cedar
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yep

sage ridge
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This just seems like another one of the optimistic times after a few buffs then we all get into the season and Fury still gets gapped in m+ badly by any competitive class

winter shoal
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So yeah kinda back

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Oh I should test slayer I guess

inland flame
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Ya I mean Critcake was streaming earlier still getting gapped by Marks and Frost DK pretty bad after the buffs/nerfs. But it's still a lot better than we were.

inland flame
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And that's just a testament to how broken those two specs still are rn.

fiery edge
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Damn might as well play frost dk then gladge

dusky moon
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lmao

sage ridge
dusky moon
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yall are mentally deranged

sage ridge
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Not saying Fury is going to be as bad as this season but it still looks like it will be bad in high target Aoe so we have the same problems we do now

inland flame
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I mean it's like 25% better on aoe in S3 so yeah, crazy better. But yes, still the same spec.

smoky vale
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@hallow sphinx can oyu just @ us for ptr :3

winter shoal
low folio
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Honestly as long as fury is buffed to the point that the random pug hunter doesn't passively beat fury in damage I'll be ok

inland flame
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Bro I've seen so many Details screenshots today. I should start making wallpapers or sumn.

fiery edge
winter shoal
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That's from last night and then tonight after patch, 4t dummy test (not the same duration, and the numbers are lower than the "real" numbers because of time taken to drop combat)

slim coral
drowsy heron
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still dont understand why Blizz loves the target cap shit, at least soft cap it

sage ridge
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None of them have played Fury before

inland flame
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They obsessed with the idea of it being a good niche to have, or are just generally stubborn.

low folio
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I wish I enjoyed ret lol

sage ridge
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It's just funny because the one time they did have a niche was S1 with burst Aoe and they got shit on

drowsy heron
inland flame
low folio
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Where would.this put fury vs arms now i wonder

modest condor
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arms better on big pulls, fury better on small pulls, also fury can get god rng and randomly do like 20-30% more damage on a pull

winter shoal
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Fury also better single target by a pretty decent bit in keys (thane vs colossus)

drowsy heron
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First pull of the new dungeon from Critcake stream

winter shoal
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Pack it up everyone fury is DEAD

drowsy heron
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New dungeon first boss same stream

snow edge
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Knowing that frost and MM are giga tuned, it’s not that surprising

winter shoal
drowsy heron
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there is a 5 target pull right after the first boss too in the same stream and he gets GAPPED by both fdk and MM lol

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i mean, we'll be fine for those who only push to 3k like myself but holy shit Blizzard is smoking crack if they think their game is even remotely balanced

modest condor
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god i love out of context screenshots

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crit definitely did 10mil dps on a massive uncapped pull with scaled ilvl while we can do more than that on live

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there's obviously something else going on in that pull that made his dps tank

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if you want a real screenshot look at the first pull in floodgate later in the stream

drowsy heron
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still getting mega gapped lol

modest condor
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yeah

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but at least it's real dps there

drowsy heron
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and it sounds like it was a lot of lucky procs too

dense fulcrum
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its real dps if u compare it to now tho, people already do this dps with 8target or uncapped dmg class x.x

drowsy heron
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which then begs the question, are you okay with your spec being reliant on mega proc to do decent damage?

brittle crow
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easiest wordle of my life

modest condor
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fdk and mm are not indicative of m+ balance, both of them are broken and i will unsub if they dont get nerfed before the season goes live

dense fulcrum
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based

modest condor
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obviously some specs will do more uncapped dps, but based on the numbers ive seen on ptr from specs that are not clearly OP fury is not that far behind on overall

sonic finch
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agree silmarilen. they will be tuned down 100% before live. What worries me is how much though.

winter shoal
proven stream
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But TITLE

winter shoal
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if I had to guess at least

heavy galleon
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Why Blizzard don't understand this fucking target cap is just impossible to balance fine in M+

sonic finch
heavy galleon
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Dont buff meat cleaver by 10, just uncap it to 8

winter shoal
drowsy heron
winter shoal
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You guys are smoking crack

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"Why hard cap us? They should hard cap us instead"

modest condor
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i mean they explained it in bfa when they announced that they were gonna hard cap random specs in shadowlands, they want specs to have niches

drowsy heron
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i want a soft cap, no class should be hard capped in this game

modest condor
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the problem is that they then 1: dont tune around those niches and 2: dont design content around those niches

storm birch
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I mean thunder blast is 8 and reduced after. And it’s one of our most active buttons in the new build. Seems you’ve got your 8 target aoe right there lol

drowsy heron
winter shoal
low folio
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I thought thunder blast was soft capped at 5

winter shoal
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Also yeah is TB 5 or 8 idr

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It's sqrt after tho

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soft capped

storm birch
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It was 8 but idk maybe it changed

modest condor
storm birch
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I just wish they reduced the proc damage a bit and increased thunder blast damage a bit. Would feel better outside of the rng procs but the rng procs would still feel valuable. Not
Sure how it’d shake out tho

drowsy heron
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so then blizzard in order to fix their fuck up in hard capping needs to buff the shit outta something that isnt hard cap to bring the class in line with others which then begs the question oof why cap at all?

low folio
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I mean it's dumb that we have been soft capped at 5 on almost everything arbitrarily on top of being passively hard capped at 5

storm birch
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Has it always been 5? Where did I read 8 in the talents

modest condor
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yes

storm birch
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I must be getting old

modest condor
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idk where you read 8

storm birch
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Ima have to go reading

modest condor
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maybe bladestorm or ravager or something

drowsy heron
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yea BS is 8

proven stream
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Can't they just make meat cleaver soft capped 😦

vagrant garden
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they dont want to.

dense fulcrum
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it says damage reduction behind 5 target

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or something

drowsy heron
red berry
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fuck it. nothing matters. buff thunder blast 50% on top of the 100% buff

dense fulcrum
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thing is prot might be a thing so fuck warr dps anyway for most of the pugs

storm birch
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Hmmm. I see 8 yards. Maybe way back when I cared to read the thunder clap node I read it as 8 targets sadge

dense fulcrum
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plus fury kinda sucks compared to other specs even now lets tell the truth

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so as always either fking arms or kekprotection

red berry
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it would be nice if tblast was 8 targets

drowsy heron
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Blizzard needs to just let us test uncapped/softcapped meat cleaver, let the community see if it works or not, which it most likely will, then we will have actual evidence one way or another

inland flame
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I mean especially if you aren't trying to climb there are going to be plenty of groups with the other tanks no matter what is meta.

storm birch
storm birch
inland flame
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Not everyone is a meta slave trying for title believe it or not lol. Although attitudes trickle down the io ladder way further than they should.

sonic finch
modest condor
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i want to give physical comp a try next season now that more people are starting to talk about it and considering it

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but that means not playing with my guildies and that makes me sad

dense fulcrum
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convert them to physical classes

low folio
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Less people will talk about it since they reversed the monk buff

dense fulcrum
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🤔

storm birch
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I have high hopes. Don’t know where the other classes are gonna land especially the OP ones but the damage feels nice if you get good rng. Which isn’t my favorite thing but at least it feels nice sometimes

proven stream
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Ngl I wish the season was live now so I can play firsthand

modest condor
storm birch
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I like phys comp a lot. It was just annoying that arms was quite a bit more desirable than fury this past season and so even though I could be overqualified for a key and the last key to a phys comp people would still just wait for an arms warr

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I hope fury and arms can shake out to be closer in dmg this time around.

dense fulcrum
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Hey buddy have u seen this amazing monk class? kicks spins woooooow

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and what about bm hunter? yooo horde of pets and u afk pew pew 30m dps ! get in brother

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one atleast will swap

storm birch
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@modest condor is there anywhere to look at public logs from ptr to see what kind of numbers people are pulling? Or do you need like a link directly to it. I check the filter by dungeons section on wclogs and didn’t see anything

modest condor
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im pretty sure if you change the number in the url you can eventually find ptr logs

storm birch
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I’d be curious to see where I’m falling in line in some of these runs. I could be playing the new rotation like an ape for all I know

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Ahh I see ok.

modest condor
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idk ive never searched through public ptr logs

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i only really use ptr logs when im testing stuff for myself

storm birch
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Yea makes sense. I’ll prolly just check critcakes runs on stream and compare them to mine. Although tank pulls and such can shake things up.

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I need to run a new floodgate. I’ve been curious on that one cause I always hated feeling so bad on it in current season

weary nacelle
storm birch
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Ahh I see. That’s lit

low folio
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I’m waiting for them to say it’s a bug that thunder blast is resetting on the tier proc and take it away

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🙂

drowsy heron
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wouldnt be surprised

low folio
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Outside of that joke actually happening, fury got buffed more than I thought they would

sudden tusk
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fury is actually in a very good spot rn

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idk why people are dooming so much

silk wharf
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Because we need to be like moonkins. Always dooming and always brought to high end content.

low folio
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Ya watching more of crit cakes stream. Fury is in a spot that I’d be happy with

drowsy heron
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for me, its just frustration with the hard cap. Outside of that, i agree, fury is fine

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i just dont understand Blizz's obsession with keeping the hard cap

low folio
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Idk same people that stubbornly hold onto dungeon designs that make you not have new respawn points as you progress a dungeon

drowsy heron
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True, took them forever to start doing some of the good changes we're seeing with dungeon design this xpac

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i'm excited for the new respawn point stuff coming next season. will be nice to know exactly where i'll release without having to know it by memory

low folio
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Well I also meant that even when they started doing the respawn points throughout the dungeon, some dungeons still got designed without them

drowsy heron
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true

low folio
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Waiting for enough random buffs to bladestorm that slayer secretly becomes really good in dungeons

flat river
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WE'RE SO BACK

nocturne dragon
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I think the talent for make WW provide cleaving buff should be buffed for increased target affected right? make it 8 instead of 5

sour frigate
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Make it 8+ okayge

sudden tusk
flat river
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lol

eternal sundial
smoky vale
eternal sundial
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Gm

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I an late to work

smoky vale
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gn

eternal sundial
smoky vale
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uh oh

eternal sundial
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Gn

flat river
eternal sundial
flat river
#

up/down

smoky vale
#

the train ieave uou behind or

flat river
#

depending on the gear you're wearing

eternal sundial
#

When i was supposed to

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🪬

#

I thought it was Saturday

flat river
#

for 7 hours 💀

smoky vale
#

@young swan rate genshin

young swan
#

pretty epic

hushed gust
#

Or is that just a for fun pick?

radiant plank
flat river
#

its gaming

flat river
#

asking for a friend 👀

radiant plank
#

on phones and steam

flat river
#

oh it popped up on my steam page

young swan
#

looks funny tho

hushed gust
#

Umamusume looks like another one of those gachas that’ll have a burst craze then peter into obscurity.

radiant plank
#

pretty much

hushed gust
#

Either way. Victory of a not so casual. Timed a 15. Only a Darkflame, but it’s a foot in the door. Prolly shoulda pushed sooner, but eh! I’m not aiming to do higher than a 15 this season anyway.

smoky vale
#

big

left pasture
earnest canyon
flat river
flat river
#

warrior tree i swapped roar with spear

lean heart
#

roar is so fucking piss its so sad

proven stream
#

Someone go test slayer pls :3

coral fiber
#

Fury is back, guys, For real! copium

sour frigate
#

Aftershock signet gladge

#

Slayer spear fuck it

#

Lets go

gleaming siren
red berry
#

slayer cannot touch thanes AoE anymore

#

the 15% bladestorm/10% whirlwind was generous but

radiant plank
gleaming siren
#

Oh no!

#

Anyway

gleaming siren
#

Bladestorm buff is targetted at raid burst AoE

#

And the spec did underperform there

#

It being a ST buff is counteracted by Mystic Touch revert

#

Meat Cleaver buff is very welcome too

#

Quite the large buff for encounters like Nazhindri and Araz

sick scaffold
#

so busy playing genshin he cant even reply to my message

#

blow up buddy

sullen dove
#

when get to witness ballstaga exploits…

left pasture
sullen dove
#

roar bad

#

no buffs ever

#

spear also bad but buffs your own dmg so probably better

#

Fit 1-2 tb’s in there should be semi pog

left pasture
#

yeah but on the detail we can see that the spear is at the very bottom

drowsy heron
#

is spear better than roar now? or just on PTR?

red berry
#

probably not, no

radiant plank
#

about the same

#

both are dogshit buttons tho

flat river
#

xD

#

if you get 3+ thunderblasts off in that spear window its gaming

fading sky
#

With big crit trinket

#

Stronk is cookin

#

Hmm interresting buffs

#

Not rly the of buff

#

But still

#

Also why they buffin wws dmg whats the point🤣

flat river
#

why not

#

xd

#

they like

#

"hmm, lets buff one of their abilities that they use to either get buff or as filler so it's not that impactful but we can still say it's a buff"

#

type shi

fading sky
#

But for fury only, in aoe situation🤣, i dno man at this point jusy slap aura buff on arms and an aura nerf for prot, so it will stop destroying tiers

low folio
#

Whirlwind big dam slayer obviously

#

I think it’s actually an ok chunk of aoe damage from slayer in a dungeon

#

Whirlwind itself. Not the 10% buff

inland flame
#

I think WW is around 10% of a Slayer dungo breakdown

vernal laurel
#

WW doing more dmg than Odyns fury over a key is hilarious

#

Filler ability doing more than big mega capstone

ashen pine
#

Good day. Tell me, is there a chance for Slayer to play M+ again?

radiant plank
#

🔮

inland flame
#

If things ship like they are now I don't think so

#

As in Thane is better

ashen pine
#

What a pity

narrow delta
#

Can't see anywhere with PTR builds etc is it somewhere that I am just missing?

radiant plank
#

nothings changed to make us change builds

ashen pine
#

At the beginning of the first season it was very powerful to play Slayer

inland flame
#

Oh we member lol

vernal laurel
#

Furys damage just fell of a cliff after burst in higher M+ unfortunately

ashen pine
#

It's amazing how much Blizzard hates Fury. Limited targets, weak damage.

inland flame
#

Yeaaaaaa especially in higher keys where mobs lived a while it felt pretty painful

narrow delta
inland flame
#

Dropping HnS at least for sure, RB looks pretty dead for Thane rn

#

I don't know if BB would be the best place to move it tho idk we'll have to see

radiant plank
#

Heres a realistic page for next season

#

Wrath and fury is your only "real" flex point

#

but as you can see the only bleed we take is CSHB which is not relevant enough to warrant BB

narrow delta
inland flame
#

No trust we're def getting a 50% Roar buff before PTR ends clueless

#

I only say this because I am a baby and don't want to use spear in dungeons

narrow delta
#

I feel like spear is useful sometimes, like last boss gambit @adds

inland flame
narrow delta
#

roar just does dmg

narrow delta
#

its just me being dented

earnest canyon
#

yeah

inland flame
#

I pug keys and have almost no faith in other humans so the thing that I pop when I'm ready and is just on the adds until it falls is just a lot less of a headache a lot of the time

signal falcon
low folio
#

I have less of a problem with spear since they removed the requirement of standing inside it but I also can’t feel that much of a difference in overall between the two as fury

inland flame
#

idk if Spear is that much better I'll get over it it's a pretty small thing

#

Yeah I keep forgetting about that change I haven't used it much this xpac

narrow delta
radiant plank
low folio
#

I would get insta aggro in SL from using spear depending on the tank

radiant plank
#

Like its on the same level of priority as WW on single target

inland flame
#

I'm gonna say it, I miss Aftershock

radiant plank
inland flame
#

Big pretty blue sparkles go brr

signal falcon
#

A re-skinned Ancient Aftershock would go hard

low folio
#

Ancient aftershock was fun

#

I liked the big hit and then the mini stuns

signal falcon
#

SL had a lot of problems but I did actually enjoy Warrior a lot then

inland flame
#

That's the trick, Cap, I never don't enjoy warrior (I am coping)

radiant plank
#

SoD arms @bitter palm

signal falcon
#

SoD warrior I actually didn’t enjoy at all lol

warm crag
#

sod arms

#

i will mortal strike and add 10 seconds of cs duration to my opponent

signal falcon
#

I made it to BWL and got sick of the stance swap buffing

narrow delta
#

@radiant plank appreciate it tho, would be nice if that link you gave was pinned or something

low folio
#

I think they meant sanctum of domination

signal falcon
#

Ohhhh

low folio
#

I could be wrong

radiant plank
#

meant sanctum

inland flame
#

To be fair everyone probably actively tries to forget that patch

#

Korthia, Shards of Domination, Sanctum.

narrow delta
#

Season of Discovery.. got me too

signal falcon
#

Sanctum as a raid I kinda liked

narrow delta
#

Ny'Alotha arms*

signal falcon
#

M+ that season was ok after the AoE cap was finally lifted (except for Fury)

narrow delta
#

but this is the wrong channel soz

inland flame
#

Its okay our channels have identity crises sometimes

#

Some of the most productive convos I've ever had about Fury were in the Arms channel ecksdee

earnest canyon
narrow delta
radiant plank
narrow delta
#

so defo not an angle to use BB to buff roar then lmao

low folio
#

Did they nerf it or is it just competing with other buttons with the other buffs

#

Just not competing*

radiant plank
#

not competing

inland flame
#

Blasts and BTs are more important, basically

narrow delta
#

What's ppl's consensus on how we are in m+ rn? If we don't just doom

#

on PTR*

low folio
#

Okish but still not so nice on dungeons with lots of giant packs I think

inland flame
#

Yes. Our aoe damage is much more competitive but we are still target capped. Although I want to see how we stack up against things that aren't broken more, I feel like a lot of people are going off of Crits runs from yesterday where he was blown out of the water by a skilled FDK and Marks.

#

But those specs are still broken.

low folio
#

At the very least in the current state you won’t feel like you would do noticably better by just playing arms

south kayak
wintry smelt
#

I just wish one season or expansion range are not the favourites

#

Is that too much to ask

low folio
#

Ranged includes mage so that’s impossible

inland flame
#

My brain is just wired to have more fun as a melee all of my alts I end up taking seriously are pretty much all melee too

#

Born to suffer

wintry smelt
#

I still find it funny that arcane had a buff when the majority of arcane players do terrible

#

Or at least in my groups

#

So I never inv them

inland flame
#

It's def the most fun spec imo maybe that's the problem, more people playing it

low folio
#

Pug mages often don’t play the spec properly but frost mages are the most common ones to play the spec right

proven stream
#

is there a use case for titan's torment with thane to spam more bt for more clap

low folio
#

Could try it but last time I ever used that talent I felt useless

inland flame
#

Ramp reduction doesn't matter since Blast is more important as long as you're enraged so we'll overcap a lot, I'm sure

restive granite
#

dude this shit feels personal

#

a fury warrior main is banging this devs wife and were all paying the price

inland flame
#

We're actually probably in a pretty okay spot rn but yes the target cap is very tiring

restive granite
#

yeah

#

like im playing a lot of arcane atm aswell and being hard capped for them works

#

because they do triple the damage than anyone else on 5 targets and do a heavy funnel anyways

#

fury is just meh

thick fossil
inland flame
#

I wouldn't compare us to two specs which are still very broken on the PTR when tuning isn't over yet

signal falcon
high sedge
thick fossil
signal falcon
#

🥲

restive granite
#

its like saying fury isnt hard capped because your WW hits all targets

thick fossil
#

It's hard capped, but it's also absolutely nuking those 5 targets.

inland flame
#

I agree 100% Meat Cleaver or we riot

low folio
#

Everyone is forgetting that it’s also a mage so even if they could only hit one target, they would be buffed into the top spot

thick fossil
#

If our hard capped hit extremely hard, sure ok. Spear should absolutely truck, but when was the last time we used it?

high sedge
humble shadow
#

Why do people justify things for blizzard? They have literally kept us like this for this whole xpac

thick fossil
#

I don't justify shit for Blizzard. I've been on the official forums ripping them a new one almost every day.

humble shadow
#

Not you

thick fossil
#

What's really hilarious, is that the official forums think this discord is nothing but Debby Downers.

restive granite
humble shadow
#

Just people always saying give them time like how much time do they need to realize the target cap ain't it for how fury plays currently

inland flame
#

I'd rather people doom than not because the target cap problem is a little silly atp but at the same time we're pretty good on the PTR rn if you don't compare us to the two specs that are 20% ahead of everyone else

restive granite
#

they could like

signal falcon
restive granite
#

when you reck youre no longer aoe capped or some shit

#

can be thematic

signal falcon
#

Ravager is so piss, only useful for the BT’s

restive granite
#

you go so mad you grow an extra arm with an axe so you can hit everyone

inland flame
#

When Recklessness is popped it logs off the game for you and forces you to log in to a non-capped class

thick fossil
#

lol

humble shadow
#

Hopefully crit makes a video about it all

inland flame
#

I mean he's probably gonna say "we're way better off this season but target cap still sucks gg."

humble shadow
#

The last time he did it in season one they buffed us the next week

#

Kalamazi complain about locks last week and look how much they got this week

restive granite
#

i honestly think that the person doing the warrior balance tuning is a +1 for other person's job

#

like the guy main job is developing delves and told him "hey you gotta do warrior tuning when you got time"

inland flame
#

I actually have John Blizzard's number come to think of it one sec I'll get rid of the aoe cap for us

restive granite
#

cause theres been so much disconnect from start to end with every warrior change

#

like i still cant get over the first heroic week nerfs cause of rashanan

#

im still angry

humble shadow
#

I'm just saying that the people with big platforms have my influence then people think

thick fossil
#

Blizzard devs ^

restive granite
#

other classes you read nerfs/buffs and its like ok this makes sense

#

with warrior its constantly "???"

thick fossil
#

The one that made me really laugh this time was the buff to Bladestorm being called an AoE buff. Shit, we barely use that for AoE. Most of the time it's used in ST to buff rampage.

restive granite
#

like OL is doing poorly ST, so they nerf 10% from bladeflurry but buff 10% overall ability damage

#

it ends net neutral for aoe or kinda and addresses its main issue

#

if its not enough or cuts short is another issue, but it makes sense

#

warrior is just fucking scribbling

south kayak
#

BS is pretty good on aoe

inland flame
#

Part of the problem tho is they have to be okay with buffing their st to do that aoe nerf, that's what they went out of their way to fix with the FDK rework

thick fossil
humble shadow
#

It's fine for the raid

echo garnet
#

Are you hitting BT on cd while target is under 35% hp?

humble shadow
#

M+ it does nothing

south kayak
#

Baze was doing a key yesterday and BS was doing 3rd highest damage

#

So clearly it does something

low folio
#

I mean if thane was setup differently, bladestorm itself is definitely not a bad button anymore

gusty maple
#

bladestorm is the only capstone that deals more overall damage in keys than ww does

weak crater
gleaming siren
weak crater
#

but i saw Monk Buff on Warrior in PTR gooing BooooM

south kayak
gleaming siren
low folio
#

Monk buff reverted

thick fossil
#

Maybe we'll switch to Bladestorm Thane in S3, that will be interesting at least.

gleaming siren
#

But when I press BS every add spawn and the Frost DK doubles my damage something is wrong

south kayak
#

If BS was 1.5m with this damage then it’s absolutely awful

gleaming siren
#

Frost got an aura nerf, Fury got a buff

low folio
#

Frost needs another aura nerd lol

south kayak
#

Frost and Mm are 20% more then any spec on PTR

low folio
#

Nerf*

thick fossil
#

It's overtuned and will most likely stay that way.

south kayak
#

If you ignore those fury is doing pretty well compared to everyone

restive granite
#

frost had a buff the previous week didnt it?

south kayak
#

2 weeks ago

#

Not previous

restive granite
#

ah ok

gleaming siren
#

But realistically Fury just didn't do enough damage on the encounters it should be really good at

south kayak
#

I don’t know much about this but I do believe fury might need more of an ST buff soon

gleaming siren
#

ST is fine

#

It's not insane insane but it's servicable

restive granite
#

and how fury plays in aoe m+ feels aweful...the moment i stopped playing my warrior anything aside for raid was when i was trying to do a dawnbreaker 16 on last season. We do the 3 living shadow pull after first boss and we die cause well unlucky, my meat cleaver didnt target any of the other 2 living shadows at all

south kayak
#

What

inland flame
#

ya wait what

jolly marten
#

are you sure we are fine now? i mean im not the best player around but neither Critcake was toping the meters yesterday either.. and by not toping i mean he was pretty much behind, not close

gleaming siren
#

Not talking minigame okayge

slim coral
#

in keys yesterday

gleaming siren
#

But yea 4.8 is insanely low

south kayak
#

Idk that might be a you issue

jolly marten
#

i had a rough start, i died first pull

restive granite
#

its not only overall that matters, in big pulls with a couple of priority targets that need to die fury does jack shit

gleaming siren
#

Warrior isn't giga in M+ but it's also not garbage

#

And it's looking okay in raid

inland flame
#

Critcake has done permanent damage to this community by doing keys with a FDK and Marks yesterday

restive granite
#

you cant rely on fury doing the job

jolly marten
#

sometimes when you proc 4set you feel good and sometimes when you dont proc you feel very bad

#

i think they need to balance this

gleaming siren
#

The specs that were miles ahead of Fury mostly got nerfed

restive granite
#

cause if meatcleaver just doesnt hit the prio targets but the shitters instead youre going to run low

slim coral
#

also m+ is hard to judge peopls overall as there is a ton of context missing

gleaming siren
#

Except Demo getting buffed for no reason

radiant plank
jolly marten
#

anyone tested any slayer fury in m+?

gleaming siren
#

Warlock dev has an insane hard on for Demo

#

Idk

inland flame
#

Bazed did I think

gleaming siren
#

Yes Slayer is dogwater

silk wharf
gleaming siren
#

Unless your name is Loboz

gleaming siren
#

Dw

gusty maple
#

can't be worse than what s1 did

remote bobcat
#

Yo when was fury bladestorm cast time reduced again?

limber oar
south kayak
#

^

gleaming siren
#

I am well aware how demo was bugged

limber oar
#

And whats the problem with that?

restive granite
waxen vale
#

warlock apologists smh

restive granite
#

if they really want to keep the target cap they need to give insane funnel damage for it to work

#

but then its borken for raid i guess

south kayak
gleaming siren
#

If you think Demo getting an overall buff was fine then I don't know how to help you

gleaming siren
south kayak
#

Good question

limber oar
#

Unfortunately i think youre beyond saving

remote bobcat
south kayak
#

Mage

remote bobcat
#

respectfully of course

south kayak
#

Mage

remote bobcat
south kayak
restive granite
#

i mean arcane makes being target capped work, i dont know why they dont look at it and try something similar with fury

#

or just simply remove the aoe cap

#

but having it stay this way is just sad

inland flame
#

Because admitting you are wrong about something is difficult

#

Or something

restive granite
#

its like the picture with a kid drowning and the father holding the other one up high

jolly marten
#

the thing is even if they remove the aoe cap fury still wont top the meters

#

theres no reason for the cap to exist in the first place

remote bobcat
#

the target cap makes us change up our rotation based on target amounts

#

I'd say thats a good thing

#

make reap/blast/odyns/bladestorm/rav deal damage instead

uncut yacht
restive granite
#

yeah thats better hahah

#

and honestly i feel like we cant blame the poor guy doing the warrior changes either

#

he probably has 50+ tasks at blizzard

#

and they slapped warrior tuning ontop

#

bet he doesnt even want to do it

remote bobcat
#

if his job is to tune warr dps then hes gonna tune warr dps

#

target cap changes are more mechanical in nature

#

than simple tuning

gleaming siren
#

I responded to the wrong message gg!

devout totem
#

my theory is that the 4 additional target in whirlwind was badly coded by a guy who left blizzard years ago and nobody at current blizzard wanna touch it

restive granite
#

ahahah trueee

#

same with aggro

restive granite
#

there must be 1 line coded back in tbc with warrior overall and aggro

#

that no one wants to touch or just cant find it

simple moth
gleaming siren
#

Zhazz shut it

#

Fake brown

regal thistle
#

Zhazz is the realest

simple moth
gleaming siren
#

? Fake brown class players in this discord

#

You play DH no

#

Though considering what is happening maybe you play Demo afterall

simple moth
#

i will not

gleaming siren
#

They'll buff Aff again dw

#

And Demo simultaneously

regal thistle
#

unfortunately I think zhazz is beyond saving 😢

gleaming siren
#

Just like Aff

restive granite
#

what was different in S4 in DF that fury felt really good?

#

did we just do more damage than anyone else? or was it something else

keen venture
#

@simple moth @gleaming siren @regal thistle

gleaming siren
#

@keen venture Is you

keen venture
#

Is us

regal thistle
#

@keen venture

low folio
#

I didn’t like s4 df fury more than any other time in df. And arms was just way better at that time

#

In s4

restive granite
#

fury slapped in m+ at least

simple moth
#

@keen venture

#

gm

keen venture
#

I am tire

remote bobcat
low folio
#

I think season 2 fury was better in damage than season 4 of df

keen venture
#

Monk peepoBlush

simple moth
#

😢

vagrant dagger
#

thats sad

sour frigate
proven stream
#

wtf

#

all the narbs are out

heavy galleon
#

Normal

#

We got 0 rework since start

warm crag
#

if warrior isnt at #1 then i will complain

heavy galleon
#

SP Boomie ret DK got at least 2-3 rework

#

Many change on talent

jolly marten
#

we ve had a hard expansion to be fair

#

we started somewhat good and nerfed to oblivion

heavy galleon
#

Many spell reworked

#

We got nothing

jolly marten
#

they fuqed up buffing our main abilities that now our capstones are terrible

#

i mean

#

and now its beyond repair this mess

heavy galleon
#

They focus on buffing... BT plz

warm crag
heavy galleon
#

Even RB feels weeker and weeker

#

Odyn's fury and Execute are meme

light hedge
#

cant properly balance scaling speccs

jolly marten
light hedge
#

same ol

jolly marten
#

it was crazy for snipping low hp adds

#

dont overevaluate it

heavy galleon
#

They should rework talent

#

SMF is so fucking useless

warm crag
#

we were outrageously broken lmao

heavy galleon
#

Many nodes are weak

light hedge
#

20% bleed damage increase node still best node

heavy galleon
#

And maybe stop creating 7 talents on WW for buffing it

vagrant dagger
heavy galleon
#

And we are stuck in synergie

vagrant dagger
#

meant to reply to spngie

light hedge
#

i mean i like SMF from a class fantasy vibe. But it lost everything when frost literally became SMF

wild mural
#

SMF clears

gusty maple
#

yea real good for clearing naxx

light hedge
#

but having it be talent point just feels like its outdated from BC

low folio
#

Needs to just be a transmit option

light hedge
#

just make it baseline like they made titan grip

#

problem is that they made our rage gen nearly AA non-dependand

#

which would make a difference when considering smf vs tg

#

so in the long run making fury builder spender specc nerfed smf

low folio
#

It’s definitely better to not have to risk forcing us to get both one handers and two handers just because of possible tuning. So that’s why they intentionally won’t allow smf to be better than tg. Unless they change their mind obviously

light hedge
#

if they dont want it, why have it

#

*as a talent point

#

not in general

low folio
#

Because people wanted smf back. I just want to be able to transmit one handers onto my 2 handers instead of smf existing

light hedge
#

make it baseline and worse and you dont need to worry about balancing

#

make it a talentpoint makes half the tree awkward

#

since you mathematically would never want to take it

#

unless class fantasy and then you are beyond mathematical reasoning

low folio
#

I’m believe clad fmatasy is the only reason they added it back

#

Class fantasy*

light hedge
#

as sai

#

existence doesnt bother me, but please stop wasting potential valuable talent slots with stuff you would only take for class fantasy

#

its like having a node for rogue tree that removes movement speed when stealthed

#

to have "sneaky sneaky" feeling

low folio
#

True

light hedge
#

SMF node couldve been something liek your crits deal 2% additional as bleed over 3 seconds, can overlap

#

and you have +20% bleed damage node close/below

#

and voila whole tree makes more sense

#

because unless they drastically change OF, make Roar actually do something and we scalle better around crits, there is no real interest in taking the 20% bleed damage node

low folio
#

Your sugggestion reminded me of old bloodbath back when it was a cooldown. Makes me miss it

red berry
#

ive been in strong support of more bleeds for fury in general

#

so id like that

plush zephyr
#

TC or rend for fury? clueless

dense elbow
#

If you want bleeds and fast strikes, go feral

light hedge
#

no snapshot = no feral

#

end of story

#

same with afflica

dense elbow
#

Tiger's still snapshot, dont be bad

light hedge
#

but then again

#

i am (in my mind) the worst feral player universe

#

so my take likely bs

dense elbow
#

Feral got two modes:
The Feral
and
The Feral

One is a cute pawpaw mascot, other is a DPS and utility god

light hedge
#

im more like

#

simba

dense elbow
#

cute pawpaw masco

light hedge
#

pre singing

#

temu kitty

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but yeah, i dont think anyone would want fury to be arms bleeding targets and such

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but somewhere in that talent tree some stuff got mixed up

dense elbow
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Worst part about doing higher keys?

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ppl started to pull mobs under bosses

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so even there I look like shit

gentle ibex
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They see me bladestorming, they hatin

dense elbow
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because Bladestorm so op

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so very op

gentle ibex
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I just like doing it man

dense elbow
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I mean, it is at least 3rd on the dam meter

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not the worst, not the best

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at least better than this thing

fossil orbit
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So, how will all the changes play out in raid/m+? Still slayer for raiding and thane for m+, or is it to soon to tell?

dense elbow
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Too soon to tell, but so far Slayer is still favoured on most fights by gut reactions everywhere

fossil orbit
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Ok ty!

low folio
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Just wait until they buff bladestorm by 100%

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Ez pz

dense elbow
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Doubt they would do that, would case problems for the raid

fossil orbit
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Im eagerly waiting for an in-dept guide from critcake when the time draws near 😃👌🏻

dense elbow
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I am eagerly awaiting crit sitting a dim lighted room, giving a heavy sigh, in a low monotone voice with lots of breaks explains how bad Fury is

fossil orbit
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😂 i feel u

clever path
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Regardless buffing 0 x 15 still gonna be zero, we can keep dooming

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Like that line, “we know fury is struggling” dude you have no idea, fury its an affix on M+

clever path
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And buffing that dmg we do to 4 targets from 55 % to 65 % it’s insulting, just increase the cap on whirlwind to 7 or 8 and we can start talking

wintry smelt
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Question: Is northern sky good now, I fucking hated it but that was DF, new guild wants me to use it

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Is it worth deleting liquid

rain rivet
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U kinda have to swap if ur guild used it. Or some weakauras wont work together

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We use northern sky. Works fine

smoky vale
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@mossy fox good morning :3

wintry smelt
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I know that but i just have bad exp from it before but that was ages ago

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But it don't look as bad as it used to

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So eh

mossy fox
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morning @smoky vale

rain rivet
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Its not perfect😅 but it works

autumn halo
sour frigate
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Play spear NOW