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I am glad the tier set is actually fun this time around
thane looks pretty promising
for m+ anyways
SUPER swingy
but when the dopamine hits, it HITS
It's the improved ww change that's most significant right
Fury Thane is probably my favorite version of warrior right now
its quite large, idk if its more significant than the tier change
ohh yes it's like double damage on the tblast right
they're probably pretty similar
Next season I'm just going slayer in dungeons and spamming whirlwind in big pulls
massive
I mean just the last round
oh then yeah
Bladestorm and ww dmg does nothing for MT
correct
whats the chance to trigger the ionising again?
Plus a bunch of extra dam (that doesn't scale with aoe)
yea the fact that it isn't aoe scaling is really funny
I’m pretty sure it’s way better
Who cares about extra aoe, its just pad anyways
quite a bit better
this bit is so bad man
You should convince the people who actually believe this shit then
That's nice, guess I'm gonna fury
This is pre buff from last week
priory tells me that aoe is not always pad
Prio tells me prio dam is king
it is in the name
I don't think those numbers are ST while un m+ spec tho rite
thane plays whirlwind talents on st
NO U
wARLOCK >
??
He is doing a bit
bro saw the warlock changes and his brain is fried
those numbers on diabolist were enormous
No u
turn back before its too late
im asking because every single warrior i see on m+ is always grey parsing 😦
All of them? Wowsies
Well I'm warlock main swapping to warrior lul
why
no one cares
Gonna play phys comp with friends, more potential than lock in keys
valid
?????????????????????????
Not sure if Ava is trolling, or is just slightly booped. Either way, key time. Hf lados
I mean lock does look p good in keys if you play magic dam comp but phys comp looks pretty good too
Nah its been real hard trying to justify lock to others in magic comp when they can get ai or motw or pi even though I bring big dam
why
im friend
At least warrior is 100% required in phys comp
well fury is looking to be pretty fun next season
I might swap back to it myself
I didn't play it this season
Looking forward to it, been only trying out col arms on live atm
colo arms / thane fury
is gonna be played
depending on what you need more prolly
thane fury is tankier but i doubt it will ever make a difference
considering how tanky colo arms is
What's looking to be played on more fights in raid? Fury?
yes
Yeah ill prob m+ as fury then due to gearing
Not opposed to trying arms if I get gear for it
if arms gets its 20% bleed damage back

Play what you like/what you're comfortable with obviously
prolly gonna be the way over thane
and some st tuning
cause colo st is awful
I think I'm OK on both ill just play what's better
Just aura nerf prot and give the bleed back
Yeah I do feel awful on colo st in keys atm
its not even in keys thats the main issue
It’s a little better next season cause ska
Dont worry if you play fury right now you'll have the exact opposite problem
Much better on ST and dogshit in aoe
Yeah I'm keen to try thane if tuning isn't dogshit
I wouldn't be surprised to see more buffs come our way because of how ass our cds are
but even if they dont fury seems to be doing ok
fury is absolutely fine
on ptr atm
its just fdk/mm/bm are
insanely broken
compared to the rest
and everyone plays fdk/mm/bm
improved whirlwind change is very very good
What
Fury channel today bringing the real warrior brain vibes
yeah I've done my fair share of baiting here lol
real
@bitter palm I wonder if today's nerfs are enough
Kekw
if they are happy with the breakdown
Literally it takes 10 seconds to plug 65 / 55 into a calculator and see that the imp ww change I'd massive
What's the main offender on fdk actually? Exterminate?
no clue ngl but i think so
reapers mark
only 2 changes we need is some st thane tuning and tier nerfs and tb baseline buffs
to reduce rng
atm
12.0 rework
surely
i see what you mean. Sticking to 5-target and shit. but as others said not much to expect a few weeks away from next season. The more we get the better. eventually it all comes down to the numbers tbh.
that's really good to hear, thanks
but no one is doing good compared to them
i watched people play ptr and played it myself
we are nowhere near fdk but again
fdk is busted
compared to non outliers we are like middle of the pack
You can actually just log into ptr and hit dummies
Don't even need an active sub to do it
Very powerful tactic
you just gotta pray FDK is busted in raid
its gonna get deleted
then blizz will actually nerf it
which it is
RIP FDK
idk after these nerfs
but first raid testing it was very busted
doubt 12% changes much when it was like 20% ahead
holy we are so back
all it takes
is being busted on a single important boss
you do understand 90% of people dont log m+ right
expecially not ptr
when it's irrelevant cause tuning isnt done
spec can look busted then explode 1 week before patch drops
Gotta log all those invalid ptr keys
balance druid type shit
ptr logs
yeah M+ mini game isnt enough to spend tuning resources on
ye they just dont care about m+ and i wish they would change their stance
add m+ auras
Slayer is probably going to do a little bit of piping in raid
ye true
darkness and shit innit
could put rally in there 
its crazy that rally isn't stronger in 5 man content
I mean rally is beans even in raid
ye but raid i can somewhat understand rally being not good
being forced into multiple warriors for rally isnt good design imo
keep it useless in raid so i can lose less globals
My RL doesn't even assign rallies 
not useless but not very good either
I think it is silly that rally doesn’t get increased in 5 man
i dont recall saving anyone with rally since inspiring presence removal
Like so many other raid spells do
ye
legit rally buff in 5man and safeguard and we are golden
i wish fury had access to colo shockwave
insane cc
20s cd stun and knockup
with rumbling earth
buff thane "safeguard"
honest question, how's MT vs Slayer looking for next raid?
Slayer probably every fight except maybe DH boss and the goon cage boss
Those two might also be slayer fight as well tho
Oh you think araz maybe?
i take it thane only has a chance if there's adds?
im thinking soulbinder, dh, nk saladbar, possibility for dimensius
Oh yeah
Saladbar has enough adds for thane to be real?
Or you mean for the 2t in p2
its 2 target for a lot of it
and has a damage amp phase
and has a lot of adds
so its possible
Thane was like 20% behind on single target from the last ptr build #updates-midnight message but I'm not sure how that's changed since, probably only gotten worse since BS was buffed for slayer
slayer was better on 2t last i checked
thats a little surprising
Wouldn't slurry be better in amp phase usually
big whirlwind buffs
true
and it's strong enough on st that thane apparently cant catch up yet on 2t
oh wowzers
was like 200k difference or something iirc
PRAISE THE FUCKING LORDS
oh wow lmfao
prob not anytime soon
im actualy excited with the 65% cleave now
Man too bad we don’t have top or rookery next season
Right now
with new b buffs, we will be competing now. slayer might be really good in m+ as well with certain specs that aoe alot

stream
ok getting water than I'll start it up

westerners made poor
It’s live
I'll do more tomorrow/weekend
What keybinds do you all use for rb/rampage/bt/exec?
I stared using mouse buttons and mouse wheel - feels good in raid but makes mousing over for interrupts kind of akward
1-4
ramp on 1, RB on 3, bt on mousewheel down, exe on side mouse button (MB5)
Are my high apm buttons
onslaught has been on 2 since df but we haven't taken that ability in like 2 years
Suprised that so many people bind stuff to mousewheel
Mousewheel is sick
Cant zoom out camera
Yeah fair
But also why do you need to zoom
When i was playing guardian druid
I shoulda
Booba... na no reason really fights with odd camera angles i might tho
Pretty few and far between tho really
do your guys' guild improv mug soak or do you assign quadrants
improv
Improv as a melee i usually just get whats available in uptime
for me anyway its either im soaking a close one with 10 other people or im leaping to narnia to save the day
mythic jastor or capital punisher? last dinar; have eye, bis
jastor
ya jastor
tys
Dmg is dmg

damn those casters must suck
hoooly
Believe it or not when you aren't playing with some of the best rdps in the world, they kinda stink
Who would've guessed that keys with MDI winners aren't identical to random pug weeklies
Is baze still streaming
If you didn't think fury warriors were dumb before Larias
You should read this channel today
People were dooming about having been buffed 20%
I'm sure it was happy
Makes no sense
Its the same healthy combo of hopium huffing and dooming that we always get
yo we're back?
yep
This just seems like another one of the optimistic times after a few buffs then we all get into the season and Fury still gets gapped in m+ badly by any competitive class
I'm doing about 1.3-1.5m more on 4t dummy test than I was last night
So yeah kinda back
Oh I should test slayer I guess
Ya I mean Critcake was streaming earlier still getting gapped by Marks and Frost DK pretty bad after the buffs/nerfs. But it's still a lot better than we were.
@dusky moon do you see what I mean
And that's just a testament to how broken those two specs still are rn.
Damn might as well play frost dk then 
lmao
Your random pug group doesn't really prove that much
yall are mentally deranged
Not saying Fury is going to be as bad as this season but it still looks like it will be bad in high target Aoe so we have the same problems we do now
I mean it's like 25% better on aoe in S3 so yeah, crazy better. But yes, still the same spec.
First of all not me, second of all a random pug group on PTR is MUCH more representative of the random pug groups I'll be in this season than coordinated groups of MDI players
Honestly as long as fury is buffed to the point that the random pug hunter doesn't passively beat fury in damage I'll be ok
Got some bad news for you
Bro I've seen so many Details screenshots today. I should start making wallpapers or sumn.
Either in afterlife or change universe 
Only details screenshots you need
That's from last night and then tonight after patch, 4t dummy test (not the same duration, and the numbers are lower than the "real" numbers because of time taken to drop combat)
It was a decent buff but not game changing in terms of where fury is in the meta
still dont understand why Blizz loves the target cap shit, at least soft cap it
None of them have played Fury before
They obsessed with the idea of it being a good niche to have, or are just generally stubborn.
I wish I enjoyed ret lol
It's just funny because the one time they did have a niche was S1 with burst Aoe and they got shit on
considering its blizz i think its more about being stubborn
Yea don't worry I know it's a big up
Where would.this put fury vs arms now i wonder
arms better on big pulls, fury better on small pulls, also fury can get god rng and randomly do like 20-30% more damage on a pull
Fury also better single target by a pretty decent bit in keys (thane vs colossus)
First pull of the new dungeon from Critcake stream
New dungeon first boss same stream
Knowing that frost and MM are giga tuned, it’s not that surprising
Don't bring your nuance in here
there is a 5 target pull right after the first boss too in the same stream and he gets GAPPED by both fdk and MM lol
i mean, we'll be fine for those who only push to 3k like myself but holy shit Blizzard is smoking crack if they think their game is even remotely balanced
god i love out of context screenshots
crit definitely did 10mil dps on a massive uncapped pull with scaled ilvl while we can do more than that on live
there's obviously something else going on in that pull that made his dps tank
if you want a real screenshot look at the first pull in floodgate later in the stream
still getting mega gapped lol
and it sounds like it was a lot of lucky procs too
its real dps if u compare it to now tho, people already do this dps with 8target or uncapped dmg class x.x
which then begs the question, are you okay with your spec being reliant on mega proc to do decent damage?
easiest wordle of my life
fdk and mm are not indicative of m+ balance, both of them are broken and i will unsub if they dont get nerfed before the season goes live
based
obviously some specs will do more uncapped dps, but based on the numbers ive seen on ptr from specs that are not clearly OP fury is not that far behind on overall
agree silmarilen. they will be tuned down 100% before live. What worries me is how much though.
No bro you don't understand, the streams of MDI champions playing meta comp at scaled item level is going to be EXTREMELY relevant to my week 1 +10s for vault
LOL
But TITLE
I mean fdk just ate a 12% nerf and is still piping so it's probably going to get another decent nerf, probably targeted at frostscythe/exterminate
if I had to guess at least
Why Blizzard don't understand this fucking target cap is just impossible to balance fine in M+
i mean theyre not going to rework it and then gut it, but it will be brought down for sure. Maybe even after live if theyre still stupidly above everything else. Its also dependent on its raid performance too, I havent seen what thats like though
Dont buff meat cleaver by 10, just uncap it to 8
They were also piping in raid (along with mm/bm, spriest, and balance) - all of those specs have been nerfed since AFAIK
This, Obviously MM and FDK are mega busted atm, but the reality is that Blizz seems hard bent on keeping us hardcapped and i dont think they have ever explained why
i mean they explained it in bfa when they announced that they were gonna hard cap random specs in shadowlands, they want specs to have niches
i want a soft cap, no class should be hard capped in this game
the problem is that they then 1: dont tune around those niches and 2: dont design content around those niches
I mean thunder blast is 8 and reduced after. And it’s one of our most active buttons in the new build. Seems you’ve got your 8 target aoe right there lol
and therfore the hardcap just gimps classes for no reason
Shh don't bring nuance and reason into this discussion
I thought thunder blast was soft capped at 5
It was 8 but idk maybe it changed
it's 5, and i've said this before, but 10% of our damage being soft capped does not make us not hard capped
I just wish they reduced the proc damage a bit and increased thunder blast damage a bit. Would feel better outside of the rng procs but the rng procs would still feel valuable. Not
Sure how it’d shake out tho
so then blizzard in order to fix their fuck up in hard capping needs to buff the shit outta something that isnt hard cap to bring the class in line with others which then begs the question oof why cap at all?
I mean it's dumb that we have been soft capped at 5 on almost everything arbitrarily on top of being passively hard capped at 5
🤔
Has it always been 5? Where did I read 8 in the talents
yes
I must be getting old
idk where you read 8
Ima have to go reading
maybe bladestorm or ravager or something
yea BS is 8
Can't they just make meat cleaver soft capped 😦
they dont want to.
they dont want to for whatever reason
fuck it. nothing matters. buff thunder blast 50% on top of the 100% buff
thing is prot might be a thing so fuck warr dps anyway for most of the pugs
Hmmm. I see 8 yards. Maybe way back when I cared to read the thunder clap node I read it as 8 targets 
plus fury kinda sucks compared to other specs even now lets tell the truth
so as always either fking arms or kekprotection
it would be nice if tblast was 8 targets
Blizzard needs to just let us test uncapped/softcapped meat cleaver, let the community see if it works or not, which it most likely will, then we will have actual evidence one way or another
I mean especially if you aren't trying to climb there are going to be plenty of groups with the other tanks no matter what is meta.

I’ll just accept my brain is deteriorating and take the L on it. I think I’ll start dooming now that i know it’s 5
Not everyone is a meta slave trying for title believe it or not lol. Although attitudes trickle down the io ladder way further than they should.
sheesh and theyre still way ahead looking at that critcake key. oh boy.
i want to give physical comp a try next season now that more people are starting to talk about it and considering it
but that means not playing with my guildies and that makes me sad
convert them to physical classes
Less people will talk about it since they reversed the monk buff
🤔
I have high hopes. Don’t know where the other classes are gonna land especially the OP ones but the damage feels nice if you get good rng. Which isn’t my favorite thing but at least it feels nice sometimes
I'm swapping to warrior just to play phys comp with my buddies 😂
Ngl I wish the season was live now so I can play firsthand
i dont want to tell people what class to play, if they come up to me with the suggestion of swapping to a spec that fits the physical comp ill happily say yes tho
I like phys comp a lot. It was just annoying that arms was quite a bit more desirable than fury this past season and so even though I could be overqualified for a key and the last key to a phys comp people would still just wait for an arms warr
I hope fury and arms can shake out to be closer in dmg this time around.
not like forcing, more like suggesting 😄
Hey buddy have u seen this amazing monk class? kicks spins woooooow
and what about bm hunter? yooo horde of pets and u afk pew pew 30m dps ! get in brother
one atleast will swap
@modest condor is there anywhere to look at public logs from ptr to see what kind of numbers people are pulling? Or do you need like a link directly to it. I check the filter by dungeons section on wclogs and didn’t see anything
im pretty sure if you change the number in the url you can eventually find ptr logs
I’d be curious to see where I’m falling in line in some of these runs. I could be playing the new rotation like an ape for all I know
Ahh I see ok.
idk ive never searched through public ptr logs
i only really use ptr logs when im testing stuff for myself
Yea makes sense. I’ll prolly just check critcakes runs on stream and compare them to mine. Although tank pulls and such can shake things up.
I need to run a new floodgate. I’ve been curious on that one cause I always hated feeling so bad on it in current season
If you scroll down in the initial page of warcraftlogs you are going to see the ptr logs
Oooo I’ll take a look thanks
Ahh I see. That’s lit
I’m waiting for them to say it’s a bug that thunder blast is resetting on the tier proc and take it away
🙂
wouldnt be surprised
Outside of that joke actually happening, fury got buffed more than I thought they would
Because we need to be like moonkins. Always dooming and always brought to high end content.
Ya watching more of crit cakes stream. Fury is in a spot that I’d be happy with
for me, its just frustration with the hard cap. Outside of that, i agree, fury is fine
i just dont understand Blizz's obsession with keeping the hard cap
Idk same people that stubbornly hold onto dungeon designs that make you not have new respawn points as you progress a dungeon
True, took them forever to start doing some of the good changes we're seeing with dungeon design this xpac
i'm excited for the new respawn point stuff coming next season. will be nice to know exactly where i'll release without having to know it by memory
Well I also meant that even when they started doing the respawn points throughout the dungeon, some dungeons still got designed without them
true
Waiting for enough random buffs to bladestorm that slayer secretly becomes really good in dungeons
WE'RE SO BACK
I think the talent for make WW provide cleaving buff should be buffed for increased target affected right? make it 8 instead of 5
Make it 8+ 
and thats without a monk
Fix ur gear and run it back
hi phil
gn

uh oh
Gn
the gear scales up lol
Not bad just annoying
up/down
the train ieave uou behind or
depending on the gear you're wearing
I didnt leave bed
When i was supposed to
🪬
I thought it was Saturday
for 7 hours 💀
@young swan rate genshin
pretty epic
Is Spear replacing Roar in PTR atm?
Or is that just a for fun pick?
Rate the new horse girl race game
if you get like 3+ procs of TB in 1 spear
its gaming
what game is that
asking for a friend 👀
oh it popped up on my steam page
Umamusume looks like another one of those gachas that’ll have a burst craze then peter into obscurity.
pretty much
Either way. Victory of a not so casual. Timed a 15. Only a Darkflame, but it’s a foot in the door. Prolly shoulda pushed sooner, but eh! I’m not aiming to do higher than a 15 this season anyway.
big
Do you have the same talent as season 2 ?
He has no talent

same fury talents
warrior tree i swapped roar with spear
roar is so fucking piss its so sad
Someone go test slayer pls :3
Fury is back, guys, For real! 
I don't have to test to tell you you're griefing whichever 4 unlucky sobs you're playing with
slayer cannot touch thanes AoE anymore
the 15% bladestorm/10% whirlwind was generous but
B-but they buffed slayer strikes
Bladestorm dreams 😦
Bladestorm buff is targetted at raid burst AoE
And the spec did underperform there
It being a ST buff is counteracted by Mystic Touch revert
Meat Cleaver buff is very welcome too
Quite the large buff for encounters like Nazhindri and Araz
so busy playing genshin he cant even reply to my message
blow up buddy
when get to witness ballstaga exploits…
why did you choose the spear instead of the roar? 🤔
roar bad
no buffs ever
spear also bad but buffs your own dmg so probably better
Fit 1-2 tb’s in there should be semi pog
yeah but on the detail we can see that the spear is at the very bottom
is spear better than roar now? or just on PTR?
probably not, no
i said why if u scroll after a bit
xD
if you get 3+ thunderblasts off in that spear window its gaming
With big crit trinket
Stronk is cookin
Hmm interresting buffs
Not rly the of buff
But still
Also why they buffin wws dmg whats the point🤣
why not
xd
they like
"hmm, lets buff one of their abilities that they use to either get buff or as filler so it's not that impactful but we can still say it's a buff"
type shi
But for fury only, in aoe situation🤣, i dno man at this point jusy slap aura buff on arms and an aura nerf for prot, so it will stop destroying tiers
Whirlwind big dam slayer obviously
I think it’s actually an ok chunk of aoe damage from slayer in a dungeon
Whirlwind itself. Not the 10% buff
I think WW is around 10% of a Slayer dungo breakdown
WW doing more dmg than Odyns fury over a key is hilarious
Filler ability doing more than big mega capstone
Good day. Tell me, is there a chance for Slayer to play M+ again?
🔮
What a pity
Can't see anywhere with PTR builds etc is it somewhere that I am just missing?
Same as live builds
nothings changed to make us change builds
At the beginning of the first season it was very powerful to play Slayer
Oh we member lol
Was not that good in m+, really good in raid though
Furys damage just fell of a cliff after burst in higher M+ unfortunately
It's amazing how much Blizzard hates Fury. Limited targets, weak damage.
Yeaaaaaa especially in higher keys where mobs lived a while it felt pretty painful
Was just thinking about dropping hack and slash for BB etc considering the new tier-set?
why would you want BB?
Dropping HnS at least for sure, RB looks pretty dead for Thane rn
I don't know if BB would be the best place to move it tho idk we'll have to see
Heres a realistic page for next season
Wrath and fury is your only "real" flex point
but as you can see the only bleed we take is CSHB which is not relevant enough to warrant BB
I was trying to look it up by had a distinct memory of tier-set buffing our bleeds, but can't log on rn to check
No trust we're def getting a 50% Roar buff before PTR ends 
I only say this because I am a baby and don't want to use spear in dungeons
I feel like spear is useful sometimes, like last boss gambit @adds
It's the Colossus tier that buffs bleeds, which we obv do not have access to
roar just does dmg
Thats a colossus thing
its just me being dented
yeah
I pug keys and have almost no faith in other humans so the thing that I pop when I'm ready and is just on the adds until it falls is just a lot less of a headache a lot of the time
I haven’t been keeping up, are we legit considering Spear? Always liked that ability
I have less of a problem with spear since they removed the requirement of standing inside it but I also can’t feel that much of a difference in overall between the two as fury
idk if Spear is that much better I'll get over it it's a pretty small thing
Yeah I keep forgetting about that change I haven't used it much this xpac
lmao SL spear was an experience
For context, right now on PTR roar is only worth pressing if you cannot press anything else
I would get insta aggro in SL from using spear depending on the tank
king capstone
Like its on the same level of priority as WW on single target
I'm gonna say it, I miss 
Thanks king
Big pretty blue sparkles go brr
A re-skinned Ancient Aftershock would go hard
SL had a lot of problems but I did actually enjoy Warrior a lot then
That's the trick, Cap, I never don't enjoy warrior (I am coping)
SoD arms @bitter palm
SoD warrior I actually didn’t enjoy at all lol
I made it to BWL and got sick of the stance swap buffing
@radiant plank appreciate it tho, would be nice if that link you gave was pinned or something
I think they meant sanctum of domination
Ohhhh
I could be wrong
meant sanctum
To be fair everyone probably actively tries to forget that patch
Korthia, Shards of Domination, Sanctum.
Season of Discovery.. got me too
Sanctum as a raid I kinda liked
Ny'Alotha arms*
M+ that season was ok after the AoE cap was finally lifted (except for Fury)
but this is the wrong channel soz
Its okay our channels have identity crises sometimes
Some of the most productive convos I've ever had about Fury were in the Arms channel ecksdee
Same. I invested all my savings based on advice from #protection
Do we have sim's comparing spear vs roar on different target counts?
Roar is so bad you can not talent it at all and its barely a loss
so defo not an angle to use BB to buff roar then lmao
Did they nerf it or is it just competing with other buttons with the other buffs
Just not competing*
not competing
Blasts and BTs are more important, basically
Okish but still not so nice on dungeons with lots of giant packs I think
Yes. Our aoe damage is much more competitive but we are still target capped. Although I want to see how we stack up against things that aren't broken more, I feel like a lot of people are going off of Crits runs from yesterday where he was blown out of the water by a skilled FDK and Marks.
But those specs are still broken.
At the very least in the current state you won’t feel like you would do noticably better by just playing arms
Yeah that’s definitely true, if you look at any specs that aren’t those two, you’ll see that it’s mostly close enough
I just wish one season or expansion range are not the favourites
Is that too much to ask
Ranged includes mage so that’s impossible
My brain is just wired to have more fun as a melee all of my alts I end up taking seriously are pretty much all melee too
Born to suffer
I still find it funny that arcane had a buff when the majority of arcane players do terrible
Or at least in my groups
So I never inv them
It's def the most fun spec imo maybe that's the problem, more people playing it
Pug mages often don’t play the spec properly but frost mages are the most common ones to play the spec right
is there a use case for titan's torment with thane to spam more bt for more clap
no
Could try it but last time I ever used that talent I felt useless
Ramp reduction doesn't matter since Blast is more important as long as you're enraged so we'll overcap a lot, I'm sure
dude this shit feels personal
a fury warrior main is banging this devs wife and were all paying the price
We're actually probably in a pretty okay spot rn but yes the target cap is very tiring
yeah
like im playing a lot of arcane atm aswell and being hard capped for them works
because they do triple the damage than anyone else on 5 targets and do a heavy funnel anyways
fury is just meh
After watching Critcake on the PTR yesterday, I'd have to say we're still cooked.

I wouldn't compare us to two specs which are still very broken on the PTR when tuning isn't over yet
Yeah the target cap only works well when they actually design around it as a niche
this comes from the fact they arent hardcapped hope this helps
Which hasn't been a thing since... uh, shadowlands.
🥲
barrage is hard capped, its most of your damage
its like saying fury isnt hard capped because your WW hits all targets
It's hard capped, but it's also absolutely nuking those 5 targets.
I agree 100% Meat Cleaver or we riot
Everyone is forgetting that it’s also a mage so even if they could only hit one target, they would be buffed into the top spot
If our hard capped hit extremely hard, sure ok. Spear should absolutely truck, but when was the last time we used it?
thats like 30% of arcane dmg fury is like hardcapped on 55%+
Why do people justify things for blizzard? They have literally kept us like this for this whole xpac
I don't justify shit for Blizzard. I've been on the official forums ripping them a new one almost every day.
Not you
What's really hilarious, is that the official forums think this discord is nothing but Debby Downers.
youre wrong
Just people always saying give them time like how much time do they need to realize the target cap ain't it for how fury plays currently
I'd rather people doom than not because the target cap problem is a little silly atp but at the same time we're pretty good on the PTR rn if you don't compare us to the two specs that are 20% ahead of everyone else
they could like
It’s sad how bad the capstones are in general
Ravager is so piss, only useful for the BT’s
you go so mad you grow an extra arm with an axe so you can hit everyone
When Recklessness is popped it logs off the game for you and forces you to log in to a non-capped class
lol
Hopefully crit makes a video about it all
I mean he's probably gonna say "we're way better off this season but target cap still sucks gg."
The last time he did it in season one they buffed us the next week
Kalamazi complain about locks last week and look how much they got this week
i honestly think that the person doing the warrior balance tuning is a +1 for other person's job
like the guy main job is developing delves and told him "hey you gotta do warrior tuning when you got time"
I actually have John Blizzard's number come to think of it one sec I'll get rid of the aoe cap for us
cause theres been so much disconnect from start to end with every warrior change
like i still cant get over the first heroic week nerfs cause of rashanan
im still angry
I'm just saying that the people with big platforms have my influence then people think
other classes you read nerfs/buffs and its like ok this makes sense
with warrior its constantly "???"
The one that made me really laugh this time was the buff to Bladestorm being called an AoE buff. Shit, we barely use that for AoE. Most of the time it's used in ST to buff rampage.
like OL is doing poorly ST, so they nerf 10% from bladeflurry but buff 10% overall ability damage
it ends net neutral for aoe or kinda and addresses its main issue
if its not enough or cuts short is another issue, but it makes sense
warrior is just fucking scribbling
That’s definitely false
BS is pretty good on aoe
Part of the problem tho is they have to be okay with buffing their st to do that aoe nerf, that's what they went out of their way to fix with the FDK rework
You play Slayer in M+ do you?
It's fine for the raid
Are you hitting BT on cd while target is under 35% hp?
M+ it does nothing
Baze was doing a key yesterday and BS was doing 3rd highest damage
So clearly it does something
I mean if thane was setup differently, bladestorm itself is definitely not a bad button anymore
bladestorm is the only capstone that deals more overall damage in keys than ww does
asking myself why they dont delete this fuckign target cap
It wasn't really good enough to be our main burst AoE tool so it getting a nudge is good
but i saw Monk Buff on Warrior in PTR gooing BooooM
It doesn’t have to be that bursty, it’s about 30 seconds cd ffs lol
Yea and it still isn't that bursty
Monk buff reverted
Maybe we'll switch to Bladestorm Thane in S3, that will be interesting at least.
But when I press BS every add spawn and the Frost DK doubles my damage something is wrong
If BS was 1.5m with this damage then it’s absolutely awful
Frost got an aura nerf, Fury got a buff
Frost who is still overtuned*
Frost needs another aura nerd lol
Frost and Mm are 20% more then any spec on PTR
Nerf*
It's overtuned and will most likely stay that way.
If you ignore those fury is doing pretty well compared to everyone
frost had a buff the previous week didnt it?
ah ok
Not arguing that
But realistically Fury just didn't do enough damage on the encounters it should be really good at
I don’t know much about this but I do believe fury might need more of an ST buff soon
and how fury plays in aoe m+ feels aweful...the moment i stopped playing my warrior anything aside for raid was when i was trying to do a dawnbreaker 16 on last season. We do the 3 living shadow pull after first boss and we die cause well unlucky, my meat cleaver didnt target any of the other 2 living shadows at all
What
ya wait what
are you sure we are fine now? i mean im not the best player around but neither Critcake was toping the meters yesterday either.. and by not toping i mean he was pretty much behind, not close
Not talking minigame 
I was about 6.4M average
in keys yesterday
But yea 4.8 is insanely low
Idk that might be a you issue
i had a rough start, i died first pull
its not only overall that matters, in big pulls with a couple of priority targets that need to die fury does jack shit
Critcake has done permanent damage to this community by doing keys with a FDK and Marks yesterday
you cant rely on fury doing the job
sometimes when you proc 4set you feel good and sometimes when you dont proc you feel very bad
i think they need to balance this
The specs that were miles ahead of Fury mostly got nerfed
cause if meatcleaver just doesnt hit the prio targets but the shitters instead youre going to run low
also m+ is hard to judge peopls overall as there is a ton of context missing
Except Demo getting buffed for no reason
Wasnt top 3 on meters so
anyone tested any slayer fury in m+?
Bazed did I think
Yes Slayer is dogwater
It's worse than that. You won't even know because the overall dps will be exactly the same. It will have just taken arbitrarily longer.
Unless your name is Loboz
Yep
The permanent damage was there before
Dw
can't be worse than what s1 did
Yo when was fury bladestorm cast time reduced again?
Demo was giga bugged, their mastery was counting twice for their summons. The bug was fixed so the spec wasnt actually good, meaning they needed a buff
^
It got buffed to above the bugged level thanks for the talk
I am well aware how demo was bugged
And whats the problem with that?
thats what pisses me, like arcane has the same issue but its like "ok but fuck this guy in particular"
warlock apologists smh
if they really want to keep the target cap they need to give insane funnel damage for it to work
but then its borken for raid i guess
Are you the real Schmidi
If you think Demo getting an overall buff was fine then I don't know how to help you
What is a real Schmidi
Good question
Unfortunately i think youre beyond saving
hey man respectfully stop mentioning mage specs we dont like mages
Mage
respectfully of course
Mage

i mean arcane makes being target capped work, i dont know why they dont look at it and try something similar with fury
or just simply remove the aoe cap
but having it stay this way is just sad
its like the picture with a kid drowning and the father holding the other one up high
the thing is even if they remove the aoe cap fury still wont top the meters
theres no reason for the cap to exist in the first place
the target cap makes us change up our rotation based on target amounts
I'd say thats a good thing
make reap/blast/odyns/bladestorm/rav deal damage instead
yeah thats better hahah
and honestly i feel like we cant blame the poor guy doing the warrior changes either
he probably has 50+ tasks at blizzard
and they slapped warrior tuning ontop
bet he doesnt even want to do it
if his job is to tune warr dps then hes gonna tune warr dps
target cap changes are more mechanical in nature
than simple tuning
No seriously in which context
I responded to the wrong message gg!
my theory is that the 4 additional target in whirlwind was badly coded by a guy who left blizzard years ago and nobody at current blizzard wanna touch it
i believe it
there must be 1 line coded back in tbc with warrior overall and aggro
that no one wants to touch or just cant find it
unfortunately i think you're beyond saving
Zhazz is the realest
yo wtf
? Fake brown class players in this discord
You play DH no
Though considering what is happening maybe you play Demo afterall
i will not
unfortunately I think zhazz is beyond saving 😢
Just like Aff
what was different in S4 in DF that fury felt really good?
did we just do more damage than anyone else? or was it something else
@simple moth @gleaming siren @regal thistle
@keen venture Is you
Is us
@keen venture
I didn’t like s4 df fury more than any other time in df. And arms was just way better at that time
In s4
fury slapped in m+ at least
I am tire
https://x.com/i/status/1946008216124395769 thanks @autumn halo
I think season 2 fury was better in damage than season 4 of df
Monk 
😢
thats sad
From top to shit 
if warrior isnt at #1 then i will complain
we ve had a hard expansion to be fair
we started somewhat good and nerfed to oblivion
they fuqed up buffing our main abilities that now our capstones are terrible
i mean
and now its beyond repair this mess
They focus on buffing... BT plz
"somewhat" is doing an insane amount of lifting here
cant properly balance scaling speccs
it was without the tier set and on high keys our burst fell off
same ol
we were outrageously broken lmao
Many nodes are weak
20% bleed damage increase node still best node
And maybe stop creating 7 talents on WW for buffing it
for 6s
And we are stuck in synergie
meant to reply to spngie
i mean i like SMF from a class fantasy vibe. But it lost everything when frost literally became SMF
SMF clears
yea real good for clearing naxx
but having it be talent point just feels like its outdated from BC
Needs to just be a transmit option
just make it baseline like they made titan grip
problem is that they made our rage gen nearly AA non-dependand
which would make a difference when considering smf vs tg
so in the long run making fury builder spender specc nerfed smf
It’s definitely better to not have to risk forcing us to get both one handers and two handers just because of possible tuning. So that’s why they intentionally won’t allow smf to be better than tg. Unless they change their mind obviously
Because people wanted smf back. I just want to be able to transmit one handers onto my 2 handers instead of smf existing
make it baseline and worse and you dont need to worry about balancing
make it a talentpoint makes half the tree awkward
since you mathematically would never want to take it
unless class fantasy and then you are beyond mathematical reasoning
as sai
existence doesnt bother me, but please stop wasting potential valuable talent slots with stuff you would only take for class fantasy
its like having a node for rogue tree that removes movement speed when stealthed
to have "sneaky sneaky" feeling
True
SMF node couldve been something liek your crits deal 2% additional as bleed over 3 seconds, can overlap
and you have +20% bleed damage node close/below
and voila whole tree makes more sense
because unless they drastically change OF, make Roar actually do something and we scalle better around crits, there is no real interest in taking the 20% bleed damage node
Your sugggestion reminded me of old bloodbath back when it was a cooldown. Makes me miss it
TC or rend for fury? 
but then again
i am (in my mind) the worst feral player universe
so my take likely bs
Feral got two modes:
The Feral
and
The Feral
One is a cute pawpaw mascot, other is a DPS and utility god
cute pawpaw masco
pre singing
temu kitty
but yeah, i dont think anyone would want fury to be arms bleeding targets and such
but somewhere in that talent tree some stuff got mixed up
Worst part about doing higher keys?
ppl started to pull mobs under bosses
so even there I look like shit

They see me bladestorming, they hatin
I just like doing it man
I mean, it is at least 3rd on the dam meter
not the worst, not the best
at least better than this thing

good
So, how will all the changes play out in raid/m+? Still slayer for raiding and thane for m+, or is it to soon to tell?
Too soon to tell, but so far Slayer is still favoured on most fights by gut reactions everywhere
Ok ty!
Doubt they would do that, would case problems for the raid
Im eagerly waiting for an in-dept guide from critcake when the time draws near 😃👌🏻
I am eagerly awaiting crit sitting a dim lighted room, giving a heavy sigh, in a low monotone voice with lots of breaks explains how bad Fury is
😂 i feel u
Regardless buffing 0 x 15 still gonna be zero, we can keep dooming
Like that line, “we know fury is struggling” dude you have no idea, fury its an affix on M+
And buffing that dmg we do to 4 targets from 55 % to 65 % it’s insulting, just increase the cap on whirlwind to 7 or 8 and we can start talking
Question: Is northern sky good now, I fucking hated it but that was DF, new guild wants me to use it
Is it worth deleting liquid

U kinda have to swap if ur guild used it. Or some weakauras wont work together
We use northern sky. Works fine
@mossy fox good morning :3
I know that but i just have bad exp from it before but that was ages ago
But it don't look as bad as it used to
So eh
morning @smoky vale
Its not perfect😅 but it works
Fix link lol. “Fxtwitter.com” in place of “X.com” makes it play for people.
Such as:
Here's a cumulative bar chart race of # of .1% M+ Titles by Class, since titles started in S2 SL.
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