fury

[dapper goblet]

2 warriors per raid this expansion some how bad..

[junior gale]

Hardest boss of the tier by a mile

[dapper goblet]

xan lego weapon type beat

[inner zinc]

nice buffs, too bad OF and OS were ignored

[sullen dove]

2 warriors on 5th boss on losing team…

[olive wraith]

Wait for the brains to post the. Umbers

[dapper goblet]

5th boss hardest boss..

i dont make the rules

[sullen dove]

3rd boss hardest… Richard reverberation is too powerful

[dapper goblet]

type again if i'm right and you're wrong

[quiet breach]

u keep saying this, does warrior give something extra for having a second one now or are you just saying warrior is good enough to not only be brought for battleshout?

[sullen dove]

🥀

that’s a good way to mute someone tho

[dapper goblet]

warrior just good

[inland flame]

A second Warr is basically just a second Rallying Cry. Das about it.

[coarse nest]

😂

[modest condor]

omg fury OP????

[sullen dove]

17 paragraphs 20% slam buff

is this like after these changes

already on ptr

[dire vigil]

Last night I died charging too early into the boss after intermission. I’m really good

[coarse nest]

958m

Seems low for an overall

[modest condor]

[sullen dove]

-4 dungeon

[young swan]

except i was right

[junior gale]

That's what we call peak warrior performance

[sullen dove]

[dapper goblet]

no you were a goobis tardis

free 70 million damage

some how bad

or something like that

you cheat in minecraft

and build steraks gage on rammus

[junior gale]

If it makes you feel better last night I charged Mugzee got stunned mid charge and died to lasers I'm pretty good

[sullen dove]

50k dps 200mil dmg overall

silver junkrat

[young swan]

cheating in minecraft until i gave u an inventory full of pork

[dapper goblet]

xan has 500 healing

as ana

an arena game

[young swan]

I WAS GETTING FISTED

0 PEAL

[coarse nest]

[smoky vale]

@young swan can you fill for a guild tonight

[gleaming siren]

I think

[iron plaza]

What dungeon is this ? What dungeons are up on PTR rn?

[smoky vale]

I KNOW YOU LOOVE RAIDING

🙂

[gleaming siren]

Xan noob

[sullen dove]

Xan community overwatch and no invite

[gleaming siren]

Xeos noob

[sullen dove]

crying

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/itysl-i-think-you-should-leave-tim-robinson-dogshit-dog-poo-gif-14207407176481998505

[gleaming siren]

All noob

[smoky vale]

XAN NOOBUS

[dire vigil]

I play a human so I always get 1 free mess up on OAB and Mugzee

[smoky vale]

SCHIMIDI GOAT

XEOS WASHEDDD

[gleaming siren]

No I'm especially noob

[sullen dove]

Schmidus

[sullen tendon]

Does the whirlwind buff affect thunderclap

[gleaming siren]

Swordus

[sullen dove]

nah

[tawny pivot]

Yeah nerf fury

[sullen dove]

The cleave upgrade does doe

[dire vigil]

Yes it affects the cleave of thunderclap

[sullen dove]

Why is that ss 4 pixels wide

[gleaming siren]

Bro you need some pixels???

[modest condor]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-community-too-small-to-read-read-reading-gif-5494204

[storm rune]

Some fox news editing

[modest condor]

shhhh

[dire vigil]

Damn, we’re gonna get nerfed now for sure

[olive wraith]

Holy crap

What’s the damage breakdown

[coarse nest]

we understand fury is lacking in sustained aoe

Lmfao

😂

[river loom]

https://tenor.com/view/fursure-for-sure-workaholics-gif-15625342

[dire vigil]

Well at least they understand

[flat river]

gg

[olive wraith]

And they buffed us

[coarse nest]

I’m glad to know they don’t give a rats ass that fury is bad in sustained aoe

[olive wraith]

Huh

[dusty flicker]

first pull in +17 floodgate fury MT

[fleet pasture]

those frost dk nerfs hit hard

[dire vigil]

Yeet!!

[dense sedge]

Woooo just seen the new tuning

[raw magnet]

Make odyns fury great again

[dense sedge]

Yoink on the 8% mystic touch

[raw magnet]

Imagine the talent that causes raging blow to increase rampage damage by 20% stacking 5 times also applied to odyns fury.

[vagrant dagger]

why are we angry after the buffs?

[neon silo]

cuz warrior work with rage

[olive wraith]

Idk people just can’t help but doom

[dense sedge]

I think they look quite good personally

I’m feeling optimistic

[serene jungle]

Because they are irrelevant wit taget caped to 5

[olive wraith]

Tb isn’t

[dense elbow]

10 MLLION?! HOLEY MOLEY AND ALMOST A BILLION DAMAGE?!?!?!?!?!

[coarse nest]

Perfectly balanced

[raw magnet]

If warrior has no utility then we should have s tier damage, only fair

[olive wraith]

Our highest dmg ability

[coarse nest]

Blizzard intends this

[inland flame]

Gonna play a drinking game, take a shot any time someone posts a screen of Crit's Details, two shots if it cuts out the overall

[dusty flicker]

you shall drink then 😄

[untold moth]

RIP your liver

[raw magnet]

Technically whirlwind isnt either, just the meat cleaver talents are

[gleaming siren]

Because the M+ andies are still coping

[raw magnet]

But whirlwind does no damage alone

[olive wraith]

It’s actually not bad. Does more than OF

[smoky vale]

bro i wanna play keys

[raw magnet]

Odyns fury bad rn, was good in dragonflight when we had the relevant tierset

Season 3 I think

[untold moth]

We did RA then too. That season was cracked

[olive wraith]

That’s still 7% overall pressing a button just for meat cleaver stacks

[dense elbow]

WW does a lot of dam in AoE, around 8% overall on live

[raw magnet]

Well you are clicking it as like 20% of globals

[olive wraith]

Right so buffing it is good

[raw magnet]

Didn't say it was bad to buff it

[spare steppe]

Ooo data source? I’m curious for the others

[dense elbow]

Its a neat little buff, not giga, but a fair bump to our uncapped dam

[raw magnet]

Small damage adds up over long time

[celest sierra]

We just have to accept the fact that until the current warrior devs are replaced . This is gunna be our norm. We not asking to be the best of the best , we just wanna be competitive. No good utility ? Okay give us the damage to compensate . Remove the dead talents in our trees like why is SMF still a thing

It is literally a cosmetic talent at this point

[dense sedge]

Are the buffs juicy or nah I just like
To bonk

Fr

[dusty flicker]

2 boss fight in 17 floodgate

[inland flame]

idk why SMF isn't at least passive like they gave FDK at this point

[olive wraith]

We can’t take every talent. Why is it bad to have a dead talent we never consider

Plus we still got one of the best aoe stops

[neon silo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbMsdJXQSuE&t=126s&ab_channel=zorthas , zorthas from honestly , making great content about the patch the changes overall

[celest sierra]

It’s literally taking up space when they could add something useful instead of. I wonder if there is an actual % that we can see of how many people actually use that talent

[raw magnet]

SMF will be a niche mass cleave meta if we can chain thunder blasts change my mind

[celest sierra]

Because that talent is non existent . No one uses it . They could replace it with utility or soemthing

[olive wraith]

We don’t touch a lot of talents

[icy robin]

should fix capstones first

[celest sierra]

They wanna make SMF good ? Just buff it to match 2handed wep damage with titans grip

[young swan]

what makes u think thatg

[olive wraith]

Massacre, os

There’s always gonna be “bad” talents

[celest sierra]

Put onslaught where SMF is and give banner as new cap stone

Or something

[raw magnet]

Big aoe pulls plus thunder blast does big damage plus single minded fury auto attacks have high chance at reapplying enrage equals big sustain dam

[celest sierra]

Yes bad talents and to dead talents . Two different category’s SMF is a dead talent . It’s not even bad it’s just unusable

[young swan]

enrage is funtionally 100% uptime

without smf

[inland flame]

SMF probably needs something other than numbers tuning. Part of the reason why it's never looked at is 2-handers pull way ahead as ilvl goes up because of their massive stat budget.

[raw magnet]

Never need to click rampage always hitting uncapped big pog

[orchid dagger]

It was. They nerfed it to be a talent you need to take

[raw magnet]

Or rampage if bad proc

The dream

[hardy gale]

Can someone pls explain what blizz mean about how concerns affecting physical comps reasoning is

[celest sierra]

And ever since that , it was never touched

[olive wraith]

Physical dps would be tuned around the mystic touch damage

Was the concern

[median token]

@hardy gale no monk, no dmg, balance around having the debuff

[neon silo]

I linked a video just above , watch it you ll understand

[inland flame]

But if they don't change crafting and SMF is good then people are gonna feel stuck using it because of how crafting in the first week works.

[orchid dagger]

I know, I used to have a weaponswap macro that is dead because of it

[olive wraith]

Still don’t think it’s an issue that smf occupies a talent spot

[hardy gale]

They should just balance around a monk being around 50% of the time. Problem solved

?

[orchid dagger]

It's 100% an issue

[olive wraith]

In fact they improved it to be 1 talent instead of 2

[coarse nest]

Remove smf

[celest sierra]

Instead of having a dead talent we can get something bad or useful . Bad is better then dead

[orchid dagger]

What is SL SMF

[olive wraith]

We never take massacre

[dapper goblet]

i for one look forward to playing SMF for a tier in mop classic

[olive wraith]

Should they remove that too

[junior oyster]

Just let fury xmog 1h no?

[dapper goblet]

and then never again for 15 years

[twilit narwhal]

correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not a pro or anything, but considering the profiles of each fight, what do you think has an advantage, Fury or Arms?
Plexus: ST with heavy down time and movement. Add segment is ST or 2 target cleave (might be better for Fury?)
Loom: Patchwerk with small 1/2 target cleave (depending on whether you can 2 target cleave adds as a melee, but the extra damage at the end and using lust at 50% might benefit Arms Slayer a lot more for the execute damage)
Soulbinder: Heavy 3 target cleave, small segment of big AOE (might be a tossup between Fury Thane or Arms Collosus, my guess is Fury fits better overall)
Araz: Intermittent AOE with 3+ targets most of the fight, intermission requires good target swap and heavy Execute for the end (Arms might be better if the DPS check matters, but Fury should shine though the first 75% HP of the boss)
Council: 3 target Cleave (better for Fury)
Fractillus: ST with heavy Movement (might fit either Arms or Fury depending on how badly the fight needs execute or if you BL at a certain %, kinda like Mug'zee)
Saldahaar: ST and 2 target cleave with AOE intermission (Arms could be better if you can damage the dragon + boss, but if movement and ST is king, Slayer Fury will overtake)

I know tuning isn't done and people need to test things, but this is how i see it atm, i would like to read your thoughts about it

[celest sierra]

Massacre is bad not dead

[orchid dagger]

That would be an answer, but Blizz doesn't even want to do that

[graceful ruin]

smf is probably not a big issue but also it doesnt really have a reason to exist lol

[median token]

big text, no read

[coarse nest]

Bro I can’t read

This is a warrior hangout btw

[olive wraith]

When’s the last time we touched massacre

[coarse nest]

Incase you missed that

[fleet pasture]

remove it - it want my onehand transmogs :/

[orchid dagger]

FLASHBANG GET DOWN

[celest sierra]

Put onslaught in its place and give us maldraxus banner as a capstone

[celest sierra]

I agree but massacre is just a bad talent it’s not a dead talent . If still has more value then SMF

[orchid dagger]

Put all of the SL Covenant buttons on a 4 way choice node

[olive wraith]

Isn’t it dead if we never touch it

[graceful ruin]

doesn't smf literally reduce your damage to use

like compared to taking nothing

[median token]

critcake is destroying every1 with the new ptr fury

[celest sierra]

SMF has no value at all . Taking it make you do like what ? 75% less damage then any warrior TG. Taking Massecre would affect you what ? Just a few %

[slim coral]

15 Eco-Dome

[fast mural]

Aug

[olive wraith]

No. It’s just it costs a talent point

[frank dawn]

can you stop trying to get us nerfed

come on mayn

[orchid dagger]

No

[coarse nest]

God dayum that’s hott

[sullen tendon]

Real dumb that they are making mythic chosen dead set available but not mage tower.

[coarse nest]

To bad it’s photoshop

[olive wraith]

It’s like a 5% dps loss

[dense elbow]

BazeSayingWeFine.png

[neon silo]

Nice try, photoshop ret overall

[sullen tendon]

Mythic chosen dead was harder than all the challenge modes and mage tower

[vagrant dagger]

so whats crit streaming rn is after the ww buff?

[spare steppe]

Proof prot pally needs a buff

[orchid dagger]

Between the opportunity cost of the talent and 2h differential yeah

[inland flame]

https://tenor.com/view/gobble-gif-1825124555203003299

[graceful ruin]

so if you went 2hs with 1 talent missing vs 1hs with smf it wouldn't reduce the dmg you deal?

[celest sierra]

Massacre is 5% SMF is like 75 (I know that number is atrocious I don’t know the amount amount )

[worn yoke]

i fixed it for blizzard because they are too stupid to just do it right the first, second, third, fourth, or fifth time.

[graceful ruin]

thought it did

[spare steppe]

It’s getting beat by fury for goodness sakes

[median token]

prot was helping with dispels

[fossil folio]

We need to push for #stopthecap

[dense elbow]

Why tho

[orchid dagger]

Yeah this cap shit is fucking dumb

[fast mural]

Top the 🧢

[olive wraith]

Literally smf isn’t that big a loss

[slim coral]

it's slayer btw

[olive wraith]

It’s close to 5%

[coarse nest]

Unironically I don’t think you actually want meatcleaver to hit more targets unless they do it in a way that it’s controlled by the WW talents. Because otherwise they just nerf your ST to compensate

[south kayak]

Can I see breakdown

[dense elbow]

Bazed slayin'

[orchid dagger]

If people can mass pull dungeons and pump that's the dungeon not being lethal enough

[slim coral]

sure let me resign back in

then I'm headed out for dinner

[south kayak]

Ok thanks

Appreciate it

[graceful ruin]

thats the dungeon being fun

[orchid dagger]

The biggest part about SMF is the movespeed

[celest sierra]

When was the last time you speced into SMf

[south kayak]

True actually, like silm said, it should be really hard for tanks to pull more than 5 targets

[median token]

play rogue or enh, thats your smf

[olive wraith]

Never cause I don’t want to play it

[orchid dagger]

I 100% would rather have mass pulls and the party try to stay alive

[south kayak]

Bless execute

[orchid dagger]

Tuesday

[median token]

@slim coral no slam

[celest sierra]

Cap #stopthecap

[arctic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/no-shit-sherlock-eric-cartman-south-park-s15e4-tmi-gif-23121570

[orchid dagger]

SMF is goated for legacy farming

[olive wraith]

@jaunty breach have you simmed smf recently

[orchid dagger]

5% movement speed

[raw magnet]

I miss leaper

[coarse nest]

Imagine the WW buff gets translated to Thunderblast some how

Wicked

[celest sierra]

Okay remove SMF and give us a regular speed boost ability

[orchid dagger]

They fucked us out of it for pvp too

And ruined Dragon Charge

[celest sierra]

Still holds more value then SMF

[raw magnet]

Rogues pickpocketed it from us

Outlaw specifically

[jolly parrot]

anyone got good m+ build for ptr

[orchid dagger]

I mean you could do a weaponswap macro if you talent SMF, then swap back to 2hs

[graceful ruin]

yea i wonder if there was a way to help fury keep up in sustained aoe when every pack is like 40 mobs

[orchid dagger]

But fuck that lmao

[celest sierra]

Check under the frost DK talents. Lots of good ones there

[olive wraith]

When’s the last time you took massacre

[graceful ruin]

i cant rly think of any way

[south kayak]

SL?

[orchid dagger]

SL

[celest sierra]

Pretty sure we had it in SL with condemn

[raw magnet]

You could also do a weaponswap macro as fury to bring out a shield and use shield block when tank dies high tier strats

big brain

[jolly parrot]

???

[olive wraith]

So years ago

[raw magnet]

It's why I use my best in slots as int i big smart warrior

[olive wraith]

Basically dead talent

[orchid dagger]

I've unironically did that to Arms players

[olive wraith]

I think current thane works fine

[celest sierra]

Years compared to never for SMF

[south kayak]

Yeah it’s the exact same build

No changes

Has whirlwind cleave ever been 65%

[jolly parrot]

could u post it pretty pls

[olive wraith]

You can remove hack and slash

[olive wraith]

Wowhead has it

[coarse nest]

There really isn’t our aoe abilites just do a burst of damage to begin with

[clever belfry]

meow

[coarse nest]

Making meatcleaver better somehow

Is the only way you’ll get some sustain on big aoe

[olive wraith]

They gave that to us. TB spam

[coarse nest]

But it’s capped

So gg

[south kayak]

woem

[raw magnet]

There are ways but it would involve doing cracked equivelencies like when arms had the talent that autoprocced thunder clap

[olive wraith]

Tb

[raw magnet]

at double damage

[olive wraith]

Isn’t

Capped

[raw magnet]

you could do something like that with fury

[slim coral]

If I ever have to slam as fury in aoe I’m quitting

[south kayak]

How much more dps do you think you’d be doing with thane in that key

[orchid dagger]

PvP Fury moment

[coarse nest]

Honestly why did they not add sudden death procs auto casting empowered thunderclap

[graceful ruin]

yea the joke was that they just uncap us instead and problem solved fun achieved

[raw magnet]

Like you could do Rampage has a percentage chance to apply odyns fury or thunderous roar at 50% effectiveness and balance mass aoe around that

[slim coral]

I’m not sure as I haven’t tested thane in that key

[south kayak]

As a guess

[raw magnet]

You do if your procs are really really bad in single target raid fights

[slim coral]

I honestly don’t know there’s not really a key similar to eco dome

[raw magnet]

or whirlwind but that is a dps loss

[south kayak]

You don’t anymore, WW does more damage on a single target

[slim coral]

I’ve never once had to slam

[raw magnet]

I am pretty sure that's only true if you talent into whirlwind cleave talents which increase the damage

which you don't in single target

[south kayak]

I don’t think so, since the recent WW buffs, you don’t anymore

[raw magnet]

Oh maybe in ptr builds idk

[south kayak]

WW got buffed by 150% this season

Slam is not getting there lol

[raw magnet]

when I hovered over the two abilities pr sure slam has higher written damage

[south kayak]

Now?

[raw magnet]

but lemme check rq ye

will check my raid single target build

[olive wraith]

Still can’t believe we got doomers after legit good change

[slim coral]

Bro this music they just released is fire https://youtu.be/OqsYiQYpYTc?si=_pkK7UJ46kyfCckG

[raw magnet]

ah nm i was wrong

thought it was different, maybe it was earlier

[quiet geyser]

Any1 else find it weird they buffed bladestorm/ww but not ravager or thunderclap

[inland flame]

Wonder what happens to Xal'atoes after this xpac

[raw magnet]

but rn whirlwind is just better

[sullen tendon]

Chosen dead mythic being available for little Timmy but not mage tower is ridiculous

[olive wraith]

They did buff tc with the tier

[quiet geyser]

Thats last weeks news

[olive wraith]

Meat cleaver buff

[slim coral]

She will betray us

[olive wraith]

Helps tc

[sullen dove]

wym betray us

she is not on our side

??

[slim coral]

Actually clueless

[sullen dove]

she is just the bad guy

[inland flame]

Enemy of my enemy type ish

[slim coral]

Bro didn’t do the 11.2 ptr story

[raw magnet]

I was the dps loss all along

[sullen dove]

what brainlet does story on the ptr

[slim coral]

Me

[sullen dove]

clearly

regardless sure she don’t like the ethereals but she absolutely only wants her dark heart back

[slim coral]

I do it so I can watch all the cutscenes before live

[inland flame]

I mean all you had to do was watch the cinematic they released on their YT to know basically what's going on

[slim coral]

That way I can speed run on live

[sullen dove]

Have to be numb in the head if anyone thinks she’s ever going to be our friend

[inland flame]

For the start of the campaign at least

[sullen dove]

speed run week 1 live yes so much to do

[slim coral]

Well she is

[sullen dove]

my delves and mythic dungeons

don’t have time in the week

[raw magnet]

for vault?

[slim coral]

Basically we can’t beat dementia without her

[inland flame]

I mean she has more of a reason to join us than Vyranoth tbh

Not saying I don't like frost mommy but still

[sullen dove]

baze gonna need to beat dementia after I’m done with him

[raw magnet]

Cuz at least for vault you can do sidestreet sluice 8 vault in less than an hour depending on which story

[slim coral]

Also idk where the dark heart is

Last I saw the ethereal guy had it

But i haven’t seen it on ptr

[sullen dove]

ya I’m sure we come across it next patch

[slim coral]

Also if I had to guess

[sullen dove]

let’s get a server mute on ptr spoiling baze rq

[slim coral]

We beat dementia’s and she uses the dark heart to unleash the void

Hence why we go to sunwell in midnight

[coarse nest]

And then we go into midnight

Hollyy

Baze nailed it

[sullen dove]

she def gonna do whatever she wanna do this xpac with how themed the next one is

[inland flame]

Still actually have no idea what Xal's angle is other than maybe blindly wanting power

Blizz likes to try too hard to write villains tho

[sullen dove]

yea I mean don’t think sunwell is immediately related there just are going to be void monsters popping up everywhere

[slim coral]

Well she wants to control the void

[sullen dove]

But it is just kind of a source of some energy/power

reasonable ish

[slim coral]

Also they hinted at Ashara coming back on the siren isle

[slim coral]

Well the sunwell will probably be the last place the light remains

So we’ll have to defen it type shit

[sullen dove]

place is called lights hope chapel they prolly gonna be aight

[slim coral]

Idk I’m ready to lose tho

[raw magnet]

Blizzard is going to give Xalateth a story where her body(Inanes) has secret childhood memories which are of good morals and it will give her empathy and now she is a good guy

[sullen dove]

xal going sylvanas route

[south kayak]

Lmfao

[slim coral]

Only syvl should come back

[sullen dove]

win the previous expansion then be sidelined next xpac after raid fight

[crude ridge]

Lmao I love this constant whirlwind buffing

[slim coral]

She’s served her time

[sullen dove]

no she hasn’t

stay down there

[slim coral]

It’s been like 10 years

[sullen dove]

good

[south kayak]

No way, she has a lot in her

[slim coral]

We need her

[sullen dove]

10 more

[earnest canyon]

Azshara is boring

[south kayak]

True

[sullen dove]

anduin needs her banshussy but that’s about it

[smoky vale]

i want her to control me

[south kayak]

Huh

[sullen dove]

pause

[slim coral]

Either way midnights is gonna be the first time see metzens changes

[smoky vale]

sylvannas could ruin me

[slim coral]

Should be a W

[sullen dove]

thrall becomes main character again

smorc jesus

[slim coral]

Hell yeah

[sullen dove]

(cheats in a duel again)

[fast mural]

Or he will voice another warrior since wrynn isn't here anymore

[smoky vale]

@sullen dove i need sylv to ruin me

[south kayak]

Thrall was in the intro of TWW then he disappeared off somewhere, probably the maesltorm to flop his hands around like an idiot as usual

[fast mural]

He had a sidequest

About griffin's or smth

[raw magnet]

Bane Bloodhoof is teaching Thrall the shadowlands secret technique

[slim coral]

Maybe we revive Varian and he helps us defeat xalath and iridikron

[south kayak]

Please don’t revive dead characters

Let him stay dead

[fast mural]

Wrynns end was badass

No need to redo it

[coarse nest]

Bwomsamdi exists you know

Anybody can come back

[slim coral]

Yep

[south kayak]

Bwonsamdi is goated

[fast mural]

So jailer can come back?

[inland flame]

Bro when we gonna actually get the Vol'jin loa payoff

[slim coral]

I’m sure they’ll revive someone

[slim coral]

Well the jailer was just a puppet for the Titans

[coarse nest]

Bwomsamdi is sick one of the best characters

[fast mural]

Silvi

[south kayak]

I hope they revive my will to live

[worn yoke]

Arms warriors should have gotten Shalamayne in Legion and Fury should have gotten Shalla'tor and Ellemayne. CHANGE. MY. MIND

[fast mural]

We should have gotten the axe from the orc that hit sargera's once

[south kayak]

He looks so cool, the first time you see him inside his necropolis is great, especially with the big blood moon behind it

[inland flame]

I was always in the Axe of Cenarius camp for Arms, I know I'm so original

[fast mural]

But cause it was made out of wood blizz thought that's lame

[earnest canyon]

I imagine he's a fucking nightmare to work with...

In the board room after 10 Energy Drinks, using plastic dolls to illustrate his ideas..

"WHOAH DUDES, and she is like RAGGGH because of the twisted voices from the void, and then the player is like NOOOO.!!... Then it's all like kablam, kerching, Arggh! "

[coarse nest]

Nice photoshop

[south kayak]

What key

[red berry]

lmao

[worn yoke]

send breakdown

[red berry]

sec

12 floodgate on PTR obvs

[south kayak]

I thought that was mop

Gamer

[jade cipher]

guys a bit of off topic question, if my raid renown is 17 can i get to 20 in 1 reset?

with alts?

[worn yoke]

not mad about finally seeing our Hero talent damage on top, like almost every other class

[south kayak]

Most likely

[oak garden]

Then they sucked tbh. Crit. Did a key and got Gaspedal by 2m from the Frost and MM in historischen Group.

[south kayak]

That’s not true, plenty aren’t

[red berry]

oh yeah no its

[oak garden]

Gapped

[red berry]

definitely a skill issue

lmao

[slim coral]

Metzen owns

[red berry]

but

[worn yoke]

no rep is still warbound per boss per week for some strange reason

[red berry]

that buff was big

[oak garden]

But not enough for the aoe Problem

[turbid bay]

It definitely

[south kayak]

To be fair, they’re one of the best dps specs for m+ on ptr and fury is target capped, that’s way better performance than you’d expect tbh

[oak garden]

If These uncapped classes beat us in ST and Our fiel 5 Targets

[turbid bay]

Helps

[steep grove]

those whirlwind buffs carry over to thunderclap right lmao

[red berry]

i think that gap is significantly reduced in five targets

but

[turbid bay]

We are gonna be in a better spot in raid as well

[red berry]

we'd have to see

[oak garden]

Yeah dont jinx that before they remove it.

[turbid bay]

Im surprised to see bladestorm buffed tbh

[modest condor]

funny how this is basically the opposite of what crit's key looked like

[red berry]

he played with players that know how to play the game

i played with pugs

[inland flame]

Basically exactlyt opposite

[modest condor]

yeah

[red berry]

which fury has always been good in pugs

[south kayak]

Fury is gonna be way better in m+ than it has been this entire expac so far

[oak garden]

I mean as long as i can do 10s in the first week without getting hard ignored by randoms im fine with it

[south kayak]

It’s not a joke

[celest sierra]

My warrior is dead , ima be gone all of August by the time I get back ain’t one gunna want a 0 io warrior 😦

[turbid bay]

Yeh the meat cleaver buff will help a decent chunk

Its starting to get close to sweeping strike dmg

[oak garden]

They Could buff us to 100% dmg on 5 targets but thats Overkill for any Council boss in Raids.

[south kayak]

If this goes life like this, so you think it’d be the best fury m+ dps this expac

[oak garden]

Probably.

[south kayak]

I think they should have just made ww cleave to 8 instead of buffing 5 target

[oak garden]

Looks better and closer then now

[turbid bay]

I mean fury was busted start of season one

[south kayak]

Only for burst

[red berry]

okay whirlwind cleaving 100% would be broken lmao

thats not real

[south kayak]

I don’t believe so

[oak garden]

Yeah no Just the burst, the dmg fall was insane.

[south kayak]

Not even meta lol

[oak garden]

The enemy health was Just not there.

[red berry]

there would be no falloff

[oak garden]

Before they hard nerfed it.

[south kayak]

If ww cleave was 100%

It wouldn’t even be meta

[oak garden]

Not for m+

[south kayak]

Yeah

[oak garden]

But not one would be better on 3-5 Targwt bossfights in Raid.

[modest condor]

i mean that's a very low bar lol

fury has only been shit in m+ this expac

[south kayak]

It is but it’s still a huge improvement

[modest condor]

like i said in crit's chat we're basically 25% stronger on aoe than last season

[coarse nest]

You don’t want it to cleave 100% they would just nerf ST abilities to compensate

[bitter palm]

HOLY

[turbid bay]

Which honestly is probably enough

[bitter palm]

CHANGES

SURELY

now big on 5t

[south kayak]

That would make us somewhere in the middle for m+; I think

That’s ok imo

[red berry]

we are better then we ever were before

[oak garden]

Not rly

[bitter palm]

@smoky vale title time twin

[south kayak]

We can’t expect to be competitive with 5 target caps

[oak garden]

We still get gapped even on 5 Targets

[coarse nest]

25% more shit ontop of a existing pile of shit, is still just a big pile of shit

[modest condor]

crit played with an mm hunter and fdk today who were stomping on him but they may just still be OP after the nerfs

[coarse nest]

[modest condor]

would have been nice if he also got to play with some other specs to see how fury compares

[inland flame]

Honestly just fix us the same way they fixed Frost DK just give us an uncapped AOE spender and have Meat Cleaver proc off of that for just the builders.

[bitter palm]

mfs perma dooming when we got buffed with no stray thane nerfs

[oak garden]

I mean Just i said in stream the 10% nerf on MM and buff on us is funny if he still get gapped by 2m overall

[south kayak]

Yeah, he’s playing with one of the best m+ specs and he would have been a bit closer if he didn’t die in the first pull in that new dungeon key

[inland flame]

Well IG that maybe doesn't work with Thane? Idk.

[modest condor]

i mean he had a clean ara run after and still did more than 1mil dps less than the other 2

[storm rune]

And just imagine everyone playing fury who isn't Crit

[turbid bay]

Was this pre fury buffs?

[inland flame]

No buffs were there

[red berry]

no today

[inland flame]

And nerfs

[south kayak]

One of the best dps specs vs 5 target capped spec, can’t do shit about it. Would have rather they made it 8 targets instead of this buff

[oak garden]

But the same goes for the meta classes

[turbid bay]

Eh dam wcyd

[humble shadow]

Someone in critcakes chat started the #nocap. We have our own movement now boiz

[bitter palm]

comparing to fdk and mm is meaningless

[slim coral]

Did you see my key

[oak garden]

If we argue on 10-14 pugs its a good buff

[modest condor]

no

[oak garden]

Nothing changes

[inland flame]

yw

[bitter palm]

how did it go king

[oak garden]

We got a flat buff

[coarse nest]

Gotta sandbag to get more

You know how it goes

[slim coral]

15 eco done no deaths from anyone this is Slayer btw

[smoky vale]

wcyd when supreme is on dk

[coarse nest]

random lock enters chat

[slim coral]

@bitter palm

[bitter palm]

issue with ptr is u never get to play withnofmal classes

[bitter palm]

holy

[south kayak]

If outlaw can hit 8 targets with blade flurry, we should too

[oak garden]

Damn aug buff on 2 classes which can use it good. 🤣

[bitter palm]

outlaw has no bladestorm

[south kayak]

He’s playing slayer there btw lol

[bitter palm]

tbladt

so thane is just gonna do more

[modest condor]

6.3mil overall with an aug oof

[bitter palm]

less st

[slim coral]

Yeah it’s slayer

[modest condor]

still oof

[oak garden]

Yeah thane ist better

[modest condor]

i think crit did almost 7mil without aug

[slim coral]

In eco?

[bitter palm]

i dont see how thane just doesnt astrogap slayer

[modest condor]

yeah

[slim coral]

As thane?

[modest condor]

yes

[slim coral]

Makes sense

[south kayak]

He died in the first mega pull

[bitter palm]

washed

unlucky

[modest condor]

i mean thane isnt a 700k+aug ahead of slayer

[bitter palm]

chatting

[slim coral]

Well we did small pulls

[bitter palm]

I mean

[slim coral]

So idk

[modest condor]

fair

[bitter palm]

overall is stupid kinda

if u are comparing diff runs

[slim coral]

We did like 5 mobs at a time

[bitter palm]

his tank prolly giga pulled

[south kayak]

Tank doing fury pulls

[slim coral]

What key level was Crit doing

[south kayak]

Not sure

[slim coral]

I’d have to see their pulls tho

[storm rune]

17

[modest condor]

they had fdk and mm, so the biggest pulls possible

[bitter palm]

not very realistic tbf for a phys comp no

which is the only way to play warr in m+

[slim coral]

Oh well no shit he blasted lmao

They probably pulled massive

Like legit before the 2nd boss we pulled each pack by itself

[drowsy heron]

do the bladestorm buff do anything for M+?

[slim coral]

Don’t ask me why

[slim coral]

Yes

However thane will probably still be king

Esp with good rng

[inland flame]

I wonder what the ST diff is between Slayer and Thane M+ builds

[dusty flicker]

16 ara

[inner zinc]

God I wish Thane used BS instead of Rav. Rav feels so unsatisfying to use

[limber oar]

not enough to justify the difference in aoe

[inland flame]

Ya I kno just curious

[slim coral]

Can you imagine being locked during thunder blast

[drowsy heron]

was thinking that recently, would be fun to use BS

[slim coral]

No thanks

[inner zinc]

i can imagine myself using T blast into BS into T Blast

[coarse nest]

Bladestorm now casts thunderblast procs that occur during its duration

[inland flame]

It's just tough competing with being able to do your other stuff while it's going

[drowsy heron]

was thinking this or allow it to be used during BS

[slim coral]

Idk I don’t think bladestorm cause you can’t cast anything

[inner zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/875594407892647956/1339360918215196794/98jg1s.gif

[vocal thorn]

holy moly we are so back

[limber oar]

imagine if we made the class giga broken teehee

[slim coral]

3-5 mobs per pull

Felt like bladestorm was owning

[drowsy heron]

i mean, we're due for some OPness since we've been shit in M+ forever

[vocal thorn]

Pog

[inner zinc]

[dense elbow]

Did you include the 5% AP tax tho?

hmmm?

Include AP% tax, we top DPS now

[winter shoal]

Is blizzard smoking crack

[slim coral]

Also you can’t take this Aug seriously it’s a random who might have no clue what they are doing

[slim coral]

Average where

[bitter palm]

in blizzard

[slim coral]

This proves mage is indeed their fav child

[drowsy heron]

considering the developer notes for Fury, yes they definitely are

[slim coral]

If average is world first keys and raid sure

[south kayak]

The sets were way too overtuned compared to the base damage of mages is what he’s saying, which is true on the PTR

[severe mirage]

It’s average when it is only 10% ahead of everyone in all content.

[winter shoal]

I know I'm just stirring the pot

Mage in the bin after these changes for SURE

[south kayak]

That’s a very low overall

[south kayak]

Is that a full dungeon

[toxic jewel]

well thats insulting

[south kayak]

Or first few pulls

[winter shoal]

No it's first area priory, see previous message about stirring the pot

[south kayak]

Lmfao

You a goat

[inland flame]

Just started a +16 Priory, it's Dorki's stream

Haven't even gone up the stairs yet lol

[winter shoal]

How so?

[modest condor]

next week: fire mage all damage increase by 20%

[upper wigeon]

yes pls

[winter shoal]

Like when they buffed fdk 10% two builds ago

[toxic jewel]

all these meta classes getting buffed, meanwhile fury gets bare minimum buff lol

[south kayak]

Are you still gonna be playing fury

[oblique thistle]

Dude that whirlwind buff is such an enormous nothing burger lol

[south kayak]

What meta class got buffed

[oblique thistle]

Why do they even touch that ability

[modest condor]

if i still play wow it will be as fury yeah

[winter shoal]

The imp ww buff is like 15-18% in aoe

That's a bit more than the bare minimum

[severe mirage]

That’s a lowball

[south kayak]

The meta classes on PTR are not the same as the ones on live, and the strong ones got nerfed

[sturdy crown]

I heard fury is S+ Tier now somebody confirm

[south kayak]

No

[junior gale]

yeah clearly we deserve 50% at bare minimum

[young swan]

no

[junior gale]

[winter shoal]

Only in the post-RWF patch so that they leave us like that for the rest of the season

[south kayak]

We’d be at a decent/good place atp

[junior gale]

both specs are mid and thats fine

[south kayak]

Now increase targets to 8

[coarse nest]

Arms tier soon

🙏

[severe mirage]

Why stop at 8

[sturdy crown]

[south kayak]

Small steps

[winter shoal]

You fucks would be crying about the target cap if it were 8 after one patch just like outlaw players do

[severe mirage]

Mage steps

[south kayak]

Nah I’d be praying in happiness

[sullen dove]

Why do they have the phys debuff class in magic comp

trolling on purpose or?

[limber oar]

and then they dont realize theyre just gonna nerf the imp ww cleave dmg to compensate

[south kayak]

That’s completely fine

[inland flame]

Dorki is just randomly trying out the different tanks rn

[south kayak]

If we’re hitting 8

[hollow juniper]

So you guys think fury can beat ret at overall?

[sullen dove]

If we’re doing the same amount of damage to 8 targets as we would 5

[winter shoal]

aura farming I think

[south kayak]

Don’t know

[sullen dove]

I’m taking the 5

[turbid bay]

Ret got buffed?

Not sure probably not

[sullen dove]

A lot more likely to have 5 targets than 8

[hollow juniper]

Yeah ret got buffs

[south kayak]

Doing 50% to 8 is better than this

[limber oar]

even if the overall dps doesnt move?

[winter shoal]

Ret was kinda in the bin I think

[limber oar]

ret was very bad

[sullen dove]

50% to 7 is better than 55 to 4 yes

[limber oar]

they have like the worst tierset on ptr

[hollow juniper]

I think we still outdps rets at overall

[turbid bay]

The good ret players were doing ok. In a proper phys comp they wont be us

[limber oar]

they nerfed ret's uncapped dmg by 20%

[sullen dove]

and 65 to 4 but it probably would be less than 50 or our st just gets nerfed

[south kayak]

When

[limber oar]

125% eff wrathful descent to 100%

[south kayak]

Outlaw is 45 at 8 now

[winter shoal]

It has a talent that increases the damage at lower target counts

I don't think they take it these days tho

[south kayak]

They do for m+ in a specific build

I play it

[south kayak]

I think what needs to happen now is that they buff Roar, and OF

So we wouldn’t only be doing 5 target dps

[coarse nest]

I agree, those two abilities would let us pad on the shitter mobs like everybody else

[turbid bay]

They havent touched odyns for ages

[sullen dove]

of would be cool but tblast is p significant more than 5tar dps

[coarse nest]

And then we’d be good at finishing the 5 main targets left in the pull

[south kayak]

Way too rng

We need some burst damage

At start

[limber oar]

empyrean hammer itself got a 10% buff so it not 25% nerf to uncapped dmg but it is an overall nerf to it

[sullen dove]

I mean avatar 2 tbs isn’t rng

[grizzled shard]

i would really like it if odyns fury was actually a good button to press again

[formal ravine]

They are not enhanced

[limber oar]

but a bunch of minor ret skills got decently buffed

[formal ravine]

TB proc from BT and from avatar are just normal TBS , the proc from ionizing is the one that does the dmg

[sullen dove]

fury burst also fake but just proc big and very powerful

[south kayak]

Buffing OF and TR by 100% would be perfect

[hollow juniper]

So ret got nerf?

[south kayak]

You could say st buff

Aoe nerf

[hollow juniper]

Fury still beats it

[turbid bay]

If we have a limited number of buffs think just leave OF for next expac

Gotta cut down on the dev time

[slim coral]

It’s not fake

[turbid bay]

They put into war

[south kayak]

Is OF and TR buff by 100% too much

[slim coral]

No

Cause they are useless currently

[south kayak]

200% then

[formal ravine]

Yeah write that to santa

[south kayak]

Lmfao

[slim coral]

They should of left alone after the took away the talent

[south kayak]

Even Santa ain’t giving me that

[formal ravine]

We're at the point warrior's salvation is next expaction

idk what i typed there

expansion*

[south kayak]

Expaction

[formal ravine]

Like expecting major changes now is pointless

[slim coral]

Ye

[south kayak]

I know

[formal ravine]

Some tuning here and there sure, but changes are too far fetched

[slim coral]

Midnights is warriors rework hopefully

[inland flame]

I can't even remember have any of the big reworks been in .5s or .7s?

[winter shoal]

Why does warrior need a rework guys we're FINE

[south kayak]

I’m playing a healer next season in raid. I’m too obsessed about dps and it affects me negatively

[inland flame]

🤔

[open wigeon]

Iam happier with the reverted monk's mystic touch than the warrior buffs

[formal ravine]

You're cherry picking , showing 1 pack.

[south kayak]

I’ll just pick meta dps for m+

[formal ravine]

that's 1.26b total dmg, that's 1 pack

[winter shoal]

Obviously lmao

[south kayak]

Bro baiting

[formal ravine]

That's like showing the "overall" after first pack in meadery

Get real

[south kayak]

And I’m pretty sure critcake got 20m on first floodgate pull as fury lol

That means fury competes with mage

[modest condor]

yeah he peaked at almost 23mil

[south kayak]

[modest condor]

and i've seen higher than that in gambit

[winter shoal]

I think dan was doing competitive dps in gambit yesterday before the imp ww buff

We're unironically fine

I'm just doing a little

[formal ravine]

Remains to be seen how "fine" we are

[south kayak]

That priest does not look fine though

[modest condor]

here's a +18 floodgate

[formal ravine]

Peaking dps on full cds is not teh same as being able to sustain it

[modest condor]

it's not just fury that's 2mil behind fdk

[inland flame]

If you're just vibin and getting the 3k mount you're chillin its when pulls start getting big in higher keys that we strugglin

[turbid bay]

I think after the buffs will probs play fury in m+

[bitter palm]

fdk is broken

[turbid bay]

These other classes will probs get swatted

[south kayak]

Yeah, fdk looks like it’s still op and fury is actually balanced

[winter shoal]

AM thane probably sustains its aoe better than most classes

[modest condor]

we're obviously still not gonna compete on the lust pulls

[winter shoal]

aside from like ret

[south kayak]

That’s fair tbh

[formal ravine]

It does not lmao

[severe mirage]

After nerfs to fdk?

[modest condor]

but i want to see more overalls where we dont compare to fdk/mm

[south kayak]

Same

[formal ravine]

How are you going to claim that when there's boomie, there's FDK, there's mages in the mix ?

[bitter palm]

ye unfortunately ptr is useless

[turbid bay]

Thats fine your kidding if you think fdk will roll live like this

[bitter palm]

cause everyone plays the op classes

[winter shoal]

cluegi

[formal ravine]

My guy you're showing hte peak windows

HOw is that SUSTAIN?

[young swan]

theres 2 numbers there

3 even

[south kayak]

They already nerfed them and if they aren’t overtuned in raid, don’t except m+ nerfs for a while lol

[modest condor]

4

5

[oblique thistle]

Counting is hard

[maiden ingot]

God has spoken

[modest condor]

20M, 0, 11, 24322028.1, 13795376.09

that's 5 numbers

[south kayak]

Silm, what are the chances Mm and fdk get nerfed again?

Me thinks 0

[modest condor]

im a fury warrior be gentle

[oblique thistle]

Heed my words
Brown class is shit

[modest condor]

50%

[winter shoal]

It's not my screenshot lmao I can't change what they were highlighting on the grapgh

[formal ravine]

yeah either they do or do not

lmao

[south kayak]

They either do or don’t?

[modest condor]

yes

[maiden ingot]

Counting is hard, my faith compells me to be rid of Math

[oblique thistle]

Good

[formal ravine]

Then stop presenting it as an argument ?

[maiden ingot]

Just the whole ass concept

[south kayak]

Should avoid the aura nerfs and instead nerf the aoe abilities for FDK

Like reapers mark is giga

Nerf that

Exterminate

[plucky wedge]

Didn't the fury buffs do nothing except bring slayer closer to MT or does whirlwind change effect TC?

[formal ravine]

Wasn't it buffed last week?

Mark ?

[south kayak]

Maybe a little bit of Glacial advance nerf

All aoe abilities that can be tuned down

[olive wraith]

Improved ww is also thane aoe

[turbid bay]

The meat cleaver change is very big for thane

[olive wraith]

[oblique thistle]

I mean a lot of people have been saying they should up the % on improved whirlwind and they just did it

[bitter palm]

what about that text on the side. Damage per second

[plucky wedge]

Ah makes sense TC procs the same thing

[bitter palm]

[olive wraith]

10% is pretty nice

[formal ravine]

A lot more have been saying uncap it with atuned number beyond 5/8 as well but not happening yet.

[winter shoal]

Not sure, our top minds are on it

[olive wraith]

Plus with the tier change last week I’m feeling good

[oblique thistle]

Because they will never do this

[olive wraith]

Tb isn’t capped

[south kayak]

If you don’t compare fury to the literal best specs on PTR, they’re doing very respectable damage

[formal ravine]

We're talking about WW

As in the buff

[south kayak]

(MM and FDK)

[formal ravine]

not the ability itself

[bitter palm]

nono

[oblique thistle]

Even now there are people saying no to OF and roar buffs because it's just pad

[bitter palm]

fury losing to fdk = dead

[olive wraith]

Right but we’re not a capped class anymore

[south kayak]

Frost death knight

[modest condor]

real

[south kayak]

You’re onto something

[formal ravine]

Aren't we?

So we only press TB now ?

[modest condor]

10% of our damage hitting more than 5 targets doesnt really qualify us as not hard capped

[olive wraith]

Pretty much

We spam tb

[young swan]

definitely still are

[bitter palm]

tb does everything

but we are capped

[bitter palm]

well not everything

but a lot

[young swan]

sqrt beyond 5 instead of 8 is still a lot of lost damage

[bitter palm]

idk why is it soft capped at 5

why not just 8

idk

[south kayak]

A lot of similar abilities are

[bitter palm]

same with cleave

[south kayak]

Divine storm

[bitter palm]

for arms

[south kayak]

Cleave

[oblique thistle]

Because not every class has to pas

Pad

[bitter palm]

not padding if they have to die

[south kayak]

Tempest

[formal ravine]

my guy, m+ ios a game mode where aoe is REQUIRED ,it's not a pad situation.

[oblique thistle]

We do the important priority damage that every other priority class completely shits on us in

[olive wraith]

These buffs are great stop dooming

[young swan]

they are great buffs

[south kayak]

Frost dk should have gotten more than a 12% nerf

Mm too

[bitter palm]

bro its so weird

[young swan]

thats not a reason to suddenly roll over when theres still a bunch of problems that need addressing

[bitter palm]

since when does blizz love dk

[olive wraith]

And all the overturned specs got hit too

[bitter palm]

theyve been shit

[oblique thistle]

This

[bitter palm]

ever since i started playing

except castle nathria

uhdk

[fluid pollen]

Since when does blizz love fury warrior? Feeling the love right now holy cow

[bitter palm]

love would be meat cleaver to 8 and tb to 8

[oblique thistle]

The question is do we need to go up more or are we fine and everything else needs to come down further

[south kayak]

Yeah, balance, mage, BM and MM, frost dk. What else

[olive wraith]

They’re giving us the 5t damage. Ask

[bitter palm]

cant tell

cause ptr is useless

people just playing the same broken specs

[olive wraith]

Don’t recall anything else. But still that’s great for equalizing

[young swan]

feral, spriest

[south kayak]

Yeah that’s true

Some still need more nerfs

[young swan]

i dont think those caught nerfs but i didnt actually read the nerfs

[dapper goblet]

enhance nerfed for no reason

[young swan]

os

[south kayak]

But it’s not the end of tuning

[south kayak]

Spriest did catch a tier set nerf

Deserved tbh

[turbid bay]

I wonder how close fury is to arms in dmg now in m+

[young swan]

better

[turbid bay]

Must be very close

[bitter palm]

if dots get buffed up

not really

in uncapped

cause dots are uncapped

[south kayak]

I think mass aoe still colossus

[bitter palm]

100%

colo

but mass aoe aint everything

[south kayak]

True

I know

[bitter palm]

st thane owns colo

[turbid bay]

For sure but arms is less st dmg

[young swan]

yeah but i think fury is prob better for dungeons overall

unkillable

[chrome wraith]

pretty hilarious to see the blurb on mystic touch revert. As if blizzard balance actually balances against buffs

[young swan]

if damage is close its always fury > arms

[turbid bay]

Our dmg profile is slightly better then arms as well

More consistent

[formal ravine]

What do we consider close? Cus i think 5% gap is enough to skew it.

[chrome wraith]

and if they do, wtf is the point of buffs lol

[formal ravine]

Any bigger and it's gone

[bitter palm]

5% where

it matters

[young swan]

last i checked it was less than that before today

[bitter palm]

in aoe u have a lot of overkill

[formal ravine]

Then we need to see how it pans out if it's below 5%

But yeah if it's that close fury is so unkillable it makes the most sense

[chrome wraith]

they can buff us all they want but until we get 8 cap aoe back we're in the stinker

[bitter palm]

colo is VERY tanky as well

[olive wraith]

False

[bitter palm]

maybe in a high damage intake season

[sullen dove]

deserved

3 shaman tier

[young swan]

colo also has the benefit of having the best aoe stun in the game

[bitter palm]

also that

[formal ravine]

|It doesn't compare to fury, fury's general tankyness has 0 requirements to it

[bitter palm]

whats the cd with rumbling earth

[young swan]

20

[bitter palm]

and it knocks up

[bitter palm]

wouldnt say it doesnt compare honestly

in df sure

[chrome wraith]

Fury is meta bro you just have to believe

[formal ravine]

Add it up, you get a 10% passive dr, 15% from def stance, another 8% if you're playing thane

And you have more hp and self sustain

[olive wraith]

Not meta but we’re not trash

[bitter palm]

ye but does that matter

realistically

[olive wraith]

We’re good

[formal ravine]

It does yes

There's many scenarios a fury lives that arms doesn't

[bitter palm]

id say other classes are gonna start dying way before colo arms

[south kayak]

The thane DR buff was like 65% uptime for crit in a dungeon

That’s good

[formal ravine]

And there's many scenarios a fury lives without any heal that arms doesn't

[chrome wraith]

In a game with a toxic community like this, not being meta means you're spending 55-60% of your game time in queue

[formal ravine]

The only argument for arms is that DBS will allow you to tank shit if your tank is dead and needs a cr

[olive wraith]

Does arms have passive damage reduction

[south kayak]

Yea

Colossus does

[bitter palm]

yes

[olive wraith]

That’s a dps thing

[bitter palm]

and seasoned soldier

[modest condor]

they have 5% aoe damage reduction or something

[chrome wraith]

this is a dps thread

[bitter palm]

• on class tree

[chrome wraith]

glad you're keeping up

[bitter palm]

above troar

[formal ravine]

But fury gets a constant 33% passively

[bitter palm]

thats not how it works

[olive wraith]

That isn’t a fury issue. It’s a dps issue

[formal ravine]

Add a 30% flat from enraged regen to that

[bitter palm]

its multiplicative