fury

[south kayak]

It's better for the game

[summer quail]

You can always get a spot if you're cracked at the class

[south kayak]

I don't care if people don't find it fun

[thick fossil]

You're talking early shadowlands with that style.

[south kayak]

Depends on the fight

[river loom]

Serious question, are we doing any moderate single target dmg? On ptr ?
(I know we sux 5+ targets)

[thick fossil]

ST we're actually a little bit upper mid.

On the PTR, nothing has really changed that.

[river loom]

Gotcha so i can still enjoy smashing on raid

[fading sky]

Ah true. Gods forbid of is good in any m+ content thx blizzard

[south kayak]

I have an idea

[fading sky]

Could warrior get 1 top 5 st dps

[south kayak]

for Titanic rage

after you press OF, your next 4 single target abilities hit all enemies around you for 55% of the damage

[fading sky]

Nah

When u of u reap

Slayer m+ back

[dense elbow]

No hurricane Jr effects

I beg

[south kayak]

They're not letting OF do giga damage again bro

might as well take the best next thing

[dense elbow]

No.

[summer quail]

1 singular reap?

[south kayak]

hurricane jr is right around the corner

[dense elbow]

I rather take nothing

[south kayak]

lmao

that's so weak

10 reaps and we're picking it

[fading sky]

Ok lets cook, every tick = reap

[dense elbow]

I am not the kind of person to happily eat shit on my bread, just because it is better than nothing

nothing is better

just eat the bread, no shit required

[fading sky]

20% per target that have debufff

[south kayak]

I don't know why you're so obsessed with OF

[fading sky]

I like pushing it🤣

[summer quail]

Prob 3 reaps is enough. Reap kinda owns

[dense elbow]

OF is the essence of what I want from a DPS CD

Press and do damage

[summer quail]

Just 1 is too little

[south kayak]

Play another spec, most of them have a better similar cd

[sour frigate]

Negative

[dense elbow]

And you can go play Ret Rampage

they got all the mods

in the world

[fading sky]

But other classes

[sour frigate]

Wake the ashes...

[south kayak]

Rets boring

[fading sky]

Dont use 2 2handers

[south kayak]

wake the ashes barely does damage

it procs wings

[dense elbow]

...

[sour frigate]

It has a lot of stuff in it

[dense elbow]

It does more raw dam than Fury Bladestorm

[south kayak]

yeah

[river loom]

rel

[sour frigate]

Of procced avatar recently

[south kayak]

I was there

[dense elbow]

Yep, TT was aweful

[sour frigate]

Now it's just

[fading sky]

Was to strong

[sour frigate]

Wow i spin

A bigger ww

[fading sky]

So now wake procs wings

🤣

[south kayak]

you werent allowed to spin because avatar cancelled the OF animation

[dense elbow]

If you want fancy, go play ret

[south kayak]

real buff

[sour frigate]

Therefore wake is even lower cd and longer wings

[south kayak]

You wanna play the most fun spec in the game, play FDK

[dense elbow]

99% of ppls suggestions are things like: Make the CD faster (like wake), buff stuff (like wake), do DoT damage (like wake)

you want Ret

[sour frigate]

[fading sky]

I just want of to fuck

[dense elbow]

^ Big old button that fucks

[fading sky]

With how flat our profile is atm

[sour frigate]

My suggestion is remake fury into combo class

And fuck it

[fading sky]

I think of can be a burst now

[river loom]

i mean if they didnt nerf dot from bloodbath it could be fun to play

[south kayak]

Slaughtering strikes are now combo points

at 5

you activate rampage

[sour frigate]

30 sec cd is enrage

Can rampage without combo

[dense elbow]

If they move the softcap from 5 to 8, that will help a bit, better yet, they could pure uncap it. Then just buff the raw damage up 60% ish. Then we in a lot more solid spot mass AoE wise that is also unique.

[river loom]

True, still they can cap all classes to 5 targets 😄

[south kayak]

please do

[dense elbow]

Hardcap em all to 3

[river loom]

i mean i dont care if we all caped to 3 targets we guci no meta class

no big pulls

no dungs on 3 pulls

[dense elbow]

You think we wont be balanced badly even in this world?

Cause we would be

[river loom]

i know its blizzard

[dense elbow]

Our problems atm is pure tuning related

That wont change

[river loom]

they reworked DK like 5 th time ?

[south kayak]

no they did not lol

[fast mural]

I think he meant shadow priest

[south kayak]

this is the first actual rework in a while

[river loom]

same, evoker same

[south kayak]

that's also not true

on evoker

[fast mural]

Evoker got no reworks yet

[fading sky]

They got both threes reworked ages ago?

Like ground yp

[fast mural]

Do people think tuning is a rework.

[south kayak]

"in a while"

[river loom]

they change evoker i mean how it works like 2 times no buffs on healers and tanks etc

[south kayak]

people think some small talent changes are a rework lol

[sour frigate]

Mage sham hunt dk got tons of reworks what made them busted

[fading sky]

Ret

[fast mural]

Ret was in DF

[river loom]

true

[fading sky]

Still

[river loom]

but what u need to rework in RET he is doin good dmg good AOE dmg

[fading sky]

Warrior is at 0

[fast mural]

Clearly they didn't wanna do "reworks" cause hero talents should have fixed everything

[fading sky]

True, but actually slayer fucked arms

[fast mural]

Df S1

[fading sky]

Made it worse to play

[fading sky]

Thats not a rework

We got sweepin thats it

[fast mural]

At the time everyone called it a rework

[fading sky]

Rework requires somethin new?

[fast mural]

That's how huge it was for shockwave moving up on the tree

[fading sky]

We got sweep baseline

[fading sky]

In reality no

[fast mural]

/s

[fading sky]

Shockwave isnt that much better placed from a points standpoint

Looks better

[fast mural]

Also when we call talent changes reworks that would fit the category

[fading sky]

It did not change how we played though

[fast mural]

Frost dks gameplay didn't really change except they changed breath
That's a rework apparently

And they removed limb I guess

[fading sky]

Just less tax for shockwave. Wait true we also got reworked capstones for avatar

Aka useless

We got nerfed

[fast mural]

Same as dks now

Unholy got target capped

[fading sky]

The slappy hands is such an non issue

Lel

In reality

They got way stronger 5>1 targets

[south kayak]

It did

[fading sky]

Lost some at the 2targets

But not a lot

[south kayak]

You’re using howling blasts a lot more

You’re using frostscythe in aoe

[fast mural]

Omg what a rework

It's like a competly new class

[fading sky]

Yeah fdk is very changwd

[south kayak]

It’s not just that, there’s plenty of different talent changes and things in the back

[fading sky]

Playstyle wise

[south kayak]

It is an actual rework

[fast mural]

Because button prior changed ?

[fading sky]

Y fdk 100%

Because u use all

In a logical way

[remote bobcat]

fdk is essentially just re-tuned to use some other buttons in some situations that they wouldn't use before, but they didn't really get a fundamental rework

[south kayak]

Yes and other things

[fast mural]

Was fury playing anihilator in s3 a rework then?

[south kayak]

You’re cooked

I give up

[fading sky]

Rework requires them to become a new class then?

[fast mural]

Making useless buttons usefull isn't a rework in my book

That's tuning

[fading sky]

I mean

U dont dnd

U cleave in a different way

[remote bobcat]

Changes arent inherently reworks

[fast mural]

OK so rework is just when a spec gets alot of changes

[south kayak]

We’re arguing semantics at this point

[fast mural]

Evening it's tuning or QoL

[fading sky]

Talents where changed as well?

[remote bobcat]

Semantics are relevant when trying to be accurate

[south kayak]

What would you consider a rework

[fast mural]

I think the biggest reworks everyone got was hero talents cause it actually effected how your spec plays

Granted there are some shit ones

Like rider for dk

[remote bobcat]

a gameplay-loop change, not based on priority changes but instead based on mechanical changes

[south kayak]

Oh I forget to mention the change of ERW that also changes how frost plays

It is a rework

[remote bobcat]

It really isn't tho

[south kayak]

I’m gonna think it is

You can think it isn’t

[remote bobcat]

Some nodes changed, some numbers changed

[south kayak]

Cool

[remote bobcat]

but mechanically, its the same

just diff tuning

[fast mural]

Couldn't have said it better

[wind torrent]

and a slight change to pillar rotation since ERW grantees a KM proc

helps with Breathe uptime too if used right

[fading sky]

If it was warrior that got all this

We would call it rework

[trail thunder]

i mean there isnt much wrong with warrior except some wonky tuning on fury, and that arms nieche isnt super well defined outside of "big spiky single target damage"

the fact that slayer made neither spec particularly execute heavy as the eyecute damage just happens all the time is a bit of a shame but oh well

[fading sky]

Arms slayer is very execute heavy😅, as in juggernautty shit

And slayer fury will love exexute in season 3 no?

[charred estuary]

Fury will love sudden death not execute

The best way to tell if they fixed fury execute is if we ever consider taking massacre again

As long as massacre is not worth taking they've still not fixed it

[fading sky]

I mean

Not rly

So flooded with sd procs that massacre looses value is more present in season 3

[earnest canyon]

Does that mean I can ignore tracking sd and just send execute or what

[fading sky]

Dno how it is season 3, we shall trust theorycrafters

But i bet its same

If 2 send

If 1 hold until jug is fallin off or 3 marks

Which tbf makes total sense

[earnest canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-larry-david-hbo-hbo-max-meh-gif-24169087

That is why I prefer thane

[restive saffron]

How good

[fading sky]

Why?

[bitter palm]

no

[fading sky]

Like u wanna make sure juggernaut is kept up

But i bet u press sd way more😁

[bitter palm]

tho i am not sure if u can send mfe at > 1 like pre nerfs

[fading sky]

Mfe?

Marked for exexution?

[bitter palm]

ye

[fading sky]

@archi will figuee that out

[jolly marten]

is fresh meat worth taking it now?

dont know i picked it up and i dont think is a dmg increase but it smooths out the rotation a lot

something like this

[gleaming siren]

Becoming Enraged is a non-issue

Staying enraged is also a non-issue

[jolly marten]

well it is as an opener

[fleet pasture]

its a nice QoL tool

[jolly marten]

yeah and there isnt any other talent to be fair worth taking

we dont press rb much

[gleaming siren]

You can just put it into Haste no

[hardy cargo]

you just press reck before your charge and u have enrage

fresh meat is kinda useless

[unique thistle]

For those who did ptr testing, how many pure single target bosses in the new raid?

[hardy cargo]

• below 5t u still do worry about BT conditions with crit chance

[jolly marten]

thats what i do ofc, but it saves me a global since i dont have to do rampage

[hardy cargo]

not huge, and can forego it

[gleaming siren]

PURE ST Fractillus and Plexus Sentinel

[hardy cargo]

rampage enrages u before the damage so u still get the benefit

[gleaming siren]

Effectively pure ST Loomithar

[jolly marten]

i go reckl-charge-bt-avatar-thunder clap-ravager and continue with prio

[unique thistle]

Cool cool ty

[gleaming siren]

Why do you need the BT there

And not just ramp

[hardy cargo]

why not just press reck/ava charge and press ramp immediately

[jolly marten]

you dont have enough rage for rampage

you need to do an autoattack

[fleet pasture]

you do, open with heroic throw

[jolly marten]

you need to wait a bit

[hardy cargo]

press avatar before the charge as well

[restive saffron]

How good is fury in raid as ST?

[gleaming siren]

Fine

Not an outlier and there's a lot of outliers on PTR

[restive saffron]

like can we play it or arms way too good

[jolly marten]

also if you proc 4set it becomes high prio and its kinda messy to fit all these in your opener

[gleaming siren]

Arms is dogwater as things stand currently next patch

In ST

[restive saffron]

i cant imagine arms being bad in ST

[gleaming siren]

Don't have to imagine

Why wouldn't it be

[restive saffron]

idk man im just so used to see Arms being elite in raid

[formal ravine]

better put that point in UF

[jolly marten]

UF procs like rarely and its too rng.. procing random when you have no cds up or moving to the next pack

[formal ravine]

1 proc of UF is way higher dmg than any point in fresh meat

Also you should not be going down the critical thinking path and taking the point in wrath and fury

1 point on deft exp 2 points on swift strikes and 1 point in wrath and fury

[bitter palm]

drop fresh meat for UF and drop hns for wrath and fury

[trail thunder]

you say that but if you look at an arms kill log of say, mugzee, it barely goes up in execute range, as they were executing with juggernaught anyway during most of the fight off proce

it goes up a little, but nowhere near the "end of fight" burst that arcane (for example) puts out for some unholy reason

[storm rune]

I was tracking something like a 20-30% dps increase in execute range from my few arms kills

might be skewed though, I might've been looking at Vexie logs

[fading sky]

U say that, but go check boss dmg spike not pad?

Also saying execute phase bad because u are using execute all the time on adds?-?

[trail thunder]

ok the log i looked at was a bit unfortunate, the execute on say mugsee seems to be ~about a 50% damage inrease ish. thats decent. i retract

i think the log i looked at killed the boss before their last set of cds came back up

[gilded pawn]

20-30 is right

For arms

[fading sky]

That is big no?

[gilded pawn]

It is

[fading sky]

At least i felt like mvp on a fight like bandit

[gilded pawn]

It’s not about juggernaut

It’s about not having to press stuff like op and slam rend as much

Each global gets about 50% stronger

[trail thunder]

20-30 still strikes me a bit low on a class that is specifically build for that, but its still good

[gilded pawn]

If it was any higher you would be doing tank damage outside of execute

[fading sky]

Then u are wrong

U dont want more than that

[trail thunder]

um uncharitably comparing it against arcane, its still good! i conceded

i surrender

[fading sky]

Then profile gets totally skewed

[gilded pawn]

Arcane just does more damage in general

Not that they execute better

Big diff

[fading sky]

Dno if arcane are 30% better in execute than pfe

[gilded pawn]

If arms is doing 500k outside of exec and has a 200k gain in exec

It’s worse than arcane who does 600k+150k

But it’s still has more of a gain in execute

Just as an example

[fading sky]

Exactly

Which is why hunters smoke us

😆

[gilded pawn]

I remember when their kill shot was their filler replacement

And they did more damage than condemn arms in execute

[dense elbow]

I just want to say, I dont even notice when we reach execute phase - my DPS goes from 3m to 3m
🤷‍♂️

[fading sky]

Fury things

[sullen tendon]

there hasnt been an execute phase for years

[restive saffron]

guys do we craft 2x darkmoon sigil asncenstion on weapons or what for raid

[dense elbow]

"execute phase"

[sullen tendon]

whatever warrior designer decided that execute should just be a rage generator should be forced to play heros of the storm

[dense elbow]

Nothing wrong with it generating rage, nor is is bad that the profile is flat even in exe range - as that is what ppl who dont even play fury warrior (but keeps asking for flat profile) wants

[fading sky]

I mean if arms is execute heavy

We dont want fury to be same

But fury should be burstier

[dense elbow]

I honestly think all warrior should be execute heavy

Being the execute class

That includes Pwarrior, btw

[fading sky]

Remove execute from fury

Problem solved

Or make vc also buff execute🤣

That would rock

Less rbs in exe 😍

[dense elbow]

Actually not the worst of ideas, having exe deal more dam in exe phase - to make up for the silly design of giving us more executes outside of it

[hardy cargo]

hots owns man

[sullen tendon]

arms warrior should keep normla execute that does buttloads of damage for spending extra rage, fury warrior should have execute activate extra attacks when you have stacks of slaughtering strikes and use execute on atarget below 20%

[dense elbow]

you want execute to "activate extra attacks"?

[fading sky]

Fuck slauthering strikes

Remove it

[sullen tendon]

they are never getting rid of it

[fading sky]

Rb buffs to much shit

[sullen tendon]

extra melee swings or something like slayer strikes or outlaw rogues main gauche

[gilded pawn]

Pure st levers

Ok

[dense elbow]

Why not just have exe do the damage?

[gilded pawn]

Why not

[steep fable]

make execute bleed

[fading sky]

Keep in mind changing profile means less dmg from other buttona

[sullen tendon]

because then people will argue "But arms is supposed to be the big hitting spec and fury is supposed to be fast paced duuuuurrrrrr." like when I suggested fury gets a giant charged swing spender on a cooldown instead of just using rampage forever.

[steep fable]

i just wanna hit raging blow a little less...my W key is disintegrating

[dense elbow]

Ok, what if - AJ now stacks up to 10 times, for a total of 100% critchance, cause fuck RNG nobody wants that. In addition, execute deals 1-10% more damage per stack of AJ, based on the %health of your target 100 being 0 and 20% being 100%.

That way we get that gradual increase of execute just hitting harder and harder. Releasing that sweet sweet dopamine as we reach execute phase proper.

[gilded pawn]

I fucking love devaluing crit

[dense elbow]

Life of Fury having reck

[sullen tendon]

kinda sick of ashen jugg

[dense elbow]

is what it is

[trail thunder]

arcane is turbo skewed because on many fights the execute burn at the end aligns with funnel with stack multiplicatively

[gilded pawn]

We are gating about 200% execute damage in one talent

[steep fable]

seriously though, I would just take better AoE
our key suffering makes me yearn for DF days

[gilded pawn]

For sure nothing could go wrong

[sullen tendon]

id just like some new impactful fun abilities

instead of the plain old shit

[dense elbow]

Might make execute the button to press, would be very sad

imagine wanting to press execute on CD

fbm

[sullen tendon]

do something like condemn that replaces execute

capstone st talent

[dense elbow]

Condemn does kinda the opposite of what I want from execute. Cond just makes it do more dam through more casts over a wider range

[sullen tendon]

not exactly condemn

but replace it

no not actualyl condemn

but make the talent modify exectue into another ability

[dense elbow]

So you want the shield effect?

[gilded pawn]

Why not just buff execute

[sullen tendon]

what?

[gilded pawn]

Why replace it

[dense elbow]

What do you want from the condemn, if not the 100-80% part?

[sullen tendon]

because execute suffers the same fate as heroic leap and heroic throw in that every spec in the world now has execute and our original ability is no longer special for warrior

[gilded pawn]

He just want his dopamine receptors to light up with an icon change

[dense elbow]

But execute only needs tuning to make brain happy either way?

[sullen tendon]

im not sayin make it condemn im just saying there should be a talent that replaces execute with another ability like condemn did

[dense elbow]

And do what?

[sullen tendon]

make the talent be like reckless abandon exectue

powered up version

new ability

[dense elbow]

What do you mean by new ability?

[sullen tendon]

it is exectue but its not execute

[steep fable]

make an addon that changed execute to bigSlap and change the icon ;-p

[dense elbow]

So you want it not to be a button that you press and do direct damage. So you want a button that turns Execute into an alternative, like say: Ranged attack usable all the fight? A DoT? What?

[sullen tendon]

i just said above

[dense elbow]

If you just want to have execute do the same function, but more damage, you dont need a new ability for that

it simply can just do more damage

%mod

[sullen tendon]

ok then take away all the execute ablities for every other spec then

[dense elbow]

What?

[sullen tendon]

every other spec has execute but better

they actually interact with stuff in their specs

[gilded pawn]

Ya I think that’s what you want, execute interactions

You don’t want a shiny new icon for execute

[dense elbow]

So you want execute to now have synergy, and no longer do direct damage, but buff other things?

Aka: Hurricane Jr effects?

Nah, nah.

No thanks

[sullen tendon]

idk what youre trying to do

you udnerstand exactly what im sayting

just being obstinant

[dense elbow]

No, I really dont

[gilded pawn]

bobby wants a more interactive execute

[dense elbow]

What do you want execute to do, give a clearcut example

[gilded pawn]

funky wants a harder hitting execute

very simple

[dense elbow]

More interactive how? Like you got to combo piece it together?

[sullen tendon]

hmmmm waht do you mean.. new ability explain what new ability means my brain is having a hard time understanding "new ability"

[dense elbow]

You gotta do RB, BT, ramp and then execute - basically trying to some arms things in here?

[sullen tendon]

can you give me the definition so i can nitpick and be contrarian

[dense elbow]

Cause you give no clearcut example of what you want

so I cant imagine it

[sullen tendon]

i did

maybe if you stopped blabbing and used your brain to read you would understand more things

[dense elbow]

Condemn just inceased the range of you could cast execute?

[south kayak]

Would be nice if fury had something like EP

[sullen tendon]

never said anything about range

[formal ravine]

No, that was a pvp thing.

[dense elbow]

That is all execute did

[formal ravine]

Condemn allowed you to execute from 100% to 80% of the target hp

[dense elbow]

That is the range we talking of, Yannis

[formal ravine]

The charge on execute was a pvp thing

[dense elbow]

Health range

[formal ravine]

"range of cast" is not range of health

[sullen tendon]

again I said make an ability that replaces execute like condemn did

i didnt say make condemn

[dense elbow]

Context matters, Yannis

[formal ravine]

Oh god here you go again

[dense elbow]

I get that

BUT WHAT DO YOU WANT IT DO ?!

What do you want it to change

[formal ravine]

You're so annoying to talk to

[dense elbow]

That is what I am asking

[sullen tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

READ

[south kayak]

Lmao

[formal ravine]

It's incerdible how you twist everything and make it seem so convoluted

[sullen tendon]

use your brain not your mouth

read the words

[dense elbow]

I am so confused, you want it to change to condemn, or like condemn. But you dont say what you want it to change to?

All I know is that you dont want condemn

but want it to change like condemn

[sullen tendon]

youre just straight up trolling at this point

[dense elbow]

Nah, you are gasslightning at this poin

[formal ravine]

Give it up dude, i had first had experience with him couple of days ago

[dense elbow]

hell nawww

[bitter palm]

condemn is just flavor execute anyway

shadow damage but less tooltip damage

[dense elbow]

^ this

[sullen tendon]

uhhh sorry uhhh i dont know what you mean lol hahaha can you explain it agian hahaha

[dense elbow]

Only change was the range you could cast it, being 100-80 and 35-0

not only 35-0

[south kayak]

He’s not saying he wants condemn

[dense elbow]

I get that

[sullen tendon]

you apparently dont

[dense elbow]

but he aint saying what he wants to change it to

[sullen tendon]

i said it like 5 min ago if you would stop to read and stop making up shit in your brain

[south kayak]

He doesn’t have to, he just said he wants something similar

[dense elbow]

So you just want an icon change

That is all?

[sullen tendon]

when did i say that

[south kayak]

I can’t

[bitter palm]

make ra give u stronger execute

[sullen tendon]

again you just make shit up to fit what you want to feel smart somehow lol

[dense elbow]

That is all condemn did, it wasnt a new ability - it just had you do execute in a wider range

[bitter palm]

call it guillotine

[formal ravine]

Execute doesn't need to "change" to get added effects. AJ adds effects to it, could make AJ add a 2% stacking dmg increase per execute up to 10 stacks or some shit like that.

[bitter palm]

cool name

[south kayak]

How about we delete RA

[bitter palm]

no

[sullen tendon]

AJ does fucking nothing its just a damage modifier

like everything esle in furys kit

[dense elbow]

RA should buff execute, to make the rotation within that CD less messy, so I agree - that is a neat thing

[bitter palm]

we should be able to choose between stronger cds and more uptime

[south kayak]

I think RA should just be a a burstier reck but with no weird ability upgrades

Just an aura buff

[formal ravine]

Honestly they need to work more on what they did to titan's torment since it's no longer an option at all

Then they need to work on RA cus it's also not a choice at all anymore

[bitter palm]

same shit its just less cool

bloodbath sounds way cooler than bt

[south kayak]

I don’t like that tbh

Makes rampage weaker

I want rampage to be stronger

[formal ravine]

But at this point expect fury changes in 6 months, there's no way they overhaul it for this patch or expansion

[bitter palm]

then u need to lose rage gen idk what to tell you

you want bt to fuck exe to fuck and rampage to fuck

[dense elbow]

So if not a dam mod, what do you want from it?

Do you want it to make auto attacks strike 100% harder, or cast auto attacks? Like you mentioned? That is just a dam mod with different paint.

Or do you want something that changes it functionally? Something like making execute not able to be used in melee range, but able to be cast in range?

Something wild like that?

I fail to see what you want to see as a change, other than an icon swap

[sullen tendon]

Update RA so its not garbage > Put a capstone node under RA that modifies execute > Make the new RA modified execute ability do extra attacks in execute range be it extra melee swings or extra blood thirsts or something like slayer strikes / main gauche from rogues. Make it do something other than just stat increases.

[dense elbow]

So you just want a fancy dam% mod

[sullen tendon]

i litearlly just said something other than stat increases

[bitter palm]

ra exe resets its cd if it crits

[dense elbow]

Now that is an effect

[bitter palm]

so perma resets its cd with aj ig

[dense elbow]

That idea is kinda cool, ngl

[restive saffron]

guys can someone who raids answer me, which emblishments u guys use?

[sullen tendon]

dude i can sense you pushing up your glasses on he bridge of your nose evertime you talk

[dense elbow]

2x Dawn or 2x Dusk

[south kayak]

What about Rampage RA? 5 strikes?

[formal ravine]

This is so random, why would RA suddenly revolve around execute when it has been always about BB and CB ? RA sure has fallen off, but not because it needs to modify execute.

[restive saffron]

i already have dawn for Arms, so i dont need to change em?

[coarse nest]

Bruh why’s it gotta be personal like that smh

[sullen tendon]

i never said to remove the RB and BT modifiers

[bitter palm]

ra should buff exe ramp but then thane loses value

maybe tc as well

[dense elbow]

Probably not, DoBronx, but you can sim - but it is not a lot of stats

[coarse nest]

My glasses are lose and I push them up constantly lmao

[dense elbow]

its what 1500 stat, it really doesnt matter

[sullen tendon]

cause i type something out and the dude instantly tries to modify waht someone said litearlly 2 sec ago to fit his needs

[south kayak]

🤓

[formal ravine]

Yes and adding execute to the mix makes no sense, that was never the point of RA. You want it to be bloated so much that it modifies practically 3/4 of our dmg pressing buttons ?

Might as well throw rampage in there too and be done with it ?

[dense elbow]

I am just trying to make sense of what you want. And it is very often... nothing but change for change sake.

[coarse nest]

🤓

[formal ravine]

RA needs a rework around what it does, not a rework around adding more to it.

[coarse nest]

Four eyes see the floor better

[dense elbow]

Depends on what you mean RA should do

[coarse nest]

Just sayin

[bitter palm]

exe should be a spender again

fuck it we ball

[dense elbow]

Then it becomes a question of how to upkeep enrage

would execute do it?

[formal ravine]

RA should still remain tied to BB and CB, not get modifiers for everything in fury's kit.

[dense elbow]

Do we make execute have a chance to make Ramp free?

[sullen tendon]

the fact that you think changing fury is "change for changes sake" is astounding and really exemplifies the level of mindset that lots of fury warriors have. "Everything is fine we just need damage tuning. Our gameplay should never be modified."

[dense elbow]

How do we solve that issue

[south kayak]

Execute crits can enrage you

[dense elbow]

I dont mind moding gameplay, if you got an idea

[gusty maple]

add the effect from legion that made execute crit reduce rage cost of rampage

ez

[bitter palm]

with current rage gen

we could easily

exe and ramp

and sd procs

[formal ravine]

We have that already under titan's torment, and it's utter garbage.

We are not rage starved, we are rage over flowing.

[gusty maple]

no like it made it free

[formal ravine]

but it doesn't matter?

you only have1 spender, literally

What's the point of rampage being free, what's the point of rage then ?

[dense elbow]

We talking in context of exe being the replacement spender in exe range

[gusty maple]

execute was spender

[formal ravine]

But it's not anymore

[dense elbow]

Yannis, context, I beg.

[formal ravine]

you guys keep presenting wishful bullshit outside of what's happening and realistic right now

[sullen tendon]

yea there is no point of rage right now. our spender does less damage than our generators most of the time. This is why we need "change for changes sake"

[dense elbow]

And you keep bashing on things, without knowing the context of what you bash at =_=

[formal ravine]

It does not do less dmg than our generators, on average rotation it does more, on execute sure bloodthirst will do more with all the modifiers.

[sullen tendon]

the only reason we press rampage is to spend SS stacks and not overcap on rage if we didnt have to press it we would just keep hitting RB

like if they buffed RB more it would jsut outweigh spending rage at all

[formal ravine]

But they haven't..?

[sullen tendon]

its very close

[formal ravine]

By that logic if they buff any button it will overtake

[dense elbow]

Rampage does not do less damage than our generators, it is a very efficent per GCD button. If we press RB 3 times per 1 Rampage, it shouldnt come as a suprise that RB does more (as we are tuned to have a flat dam profile)

[sullen tendon]

very very close

[dense elbow]

Overall ramp is holding up quite well

[sullen tendon]

lmao

generator almost doing as much or more than a spender

[dense elbow]

Yes, because of the reasons mentioned

[formal ravine]

You gotta account for button presses my friend

you can't jus say "generator is doing more"

If you press it 5 trimes more or some shit

And it still is below your spender

[dense elbow]

^

[sullen tendon]

we should never be pressing a generator over a spender

but we do

alot

[dense elbow]

To be fair, RB directly buffs Ramp, so you can argue that dam portion belongs to RB and not Ramp itself per press

[modest condor]

oh is bobby going on about something again

[dense elbow]

it is extra bad, Silm

like so bad

[pulsar quest]

its ur choice to press it to be fair

u control ur fingers

[formal ravine]

My guy you saying we should never be pressing a generator makes no sense, at all. The modifiers exist to change your choice making

[modest condor]

as logn as it's funny

[sullen tendon]

just suggesting changes that could be made to warrior but everyone shoots it down as "were fine its jsut number tuning everything should be the same"

never change fury

ever

its fine

[formal ravine]

So your idea is that you want a loop of ability 1> ability 2> spender and that's it ?

[sullen tendon]

no

[coarse nest]

Very excited for today’s blue post about all the warrior balancing

[modest condor]

ok it is pretty funny

[formal ravine]

So yes there's some flavour changes when it comes to certain parts of the fight.

[dense elbow]

He says things like: "I want condemn" what part you ask? Not anything from codemn, just like condemn, you know?

[formal ravine]

Right now fury has bigger issues than it's rotational abilities

All of the other shit has fallen off so much that those are struggling more than rampage is

[pulsar quest]

give us blade flurry

[restive saffron]

ok so if both of my weapons are crafted, should i go for darkmoon sigil emblishment?

[formal ravine]

Look at the state of roar, look at the state of spear, look at the state of odyn's fury

[sullen tendon]

oh yea we need atleast another 20% buff to make us still play the same shitty gameplay with target cap and using generators over spenders

[formal ravine]

Those fell off so much

[bitter palm]

ramp casts ww

[sullen tendon]

everything is fine though

[modest condor]

if your main content is raiding

[sullen tendon]

no changes blizzard thanks 👍

[pulsar quest]

get this man a job

[formal ravine]

Target capping is another entire issue unrelated to generator dmg and spender damage.

[restive saffron]

yup it is

[sullen tendon]

youre right it should stay the same we jsut need number tuning 👍

[dense elbow]

Bobby, your changes suggested are just dam% mods, with different coating so far

[bitter palm]

bro that anima power was so peak in torghast

[dense elbow]

no mechanical changes

[bitter palm]

made me wanna play torghast

[formal ravine]

I never said that? I literally said above RA needs love, titan's torment needs love.

You brought in target capping in the mix, which is irrelevant

At least irrelevant to the current talk.

[sullen tendon]

oh did you not say that? im going to pretend you did and then make an argument that will almost make me look smart but will actually make me sound arrogant. 👍

[formal ravine]

Sure.

[dense elbow]

Bobby at max troll level again, huh.

[pulsar quest]

based as hell

[dense elbow]

I will be honest tho, bobby do trigger me every time

he is a 10/10 troll

[formal ravine]

Your literal words above is "so buff 20% and we're fine" I never claimed we need a number tuning.

[dense elbow]

I dont even get how he does it

he just pulls me right in

[sullen tendon]

you cant reverse this shit

[limber oar]

Just more ragebait dogshit opinions from an avg at best player

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

[sullen tendon]

"umm actually youre the troll 😏 "

[pulsar quest]

bobby has a 100 average in mythic

[dense elbow]

I just saying Bobby

you do impress me

that is a true skill

[formal ravine]

There's nothing to reverse. I said from the get go that RA is not an attractive pick anymore, and titan's torment change was a complete miss.

[sullen tendon]

anytime i suggest anything even the slightest change its combatted with "its fine we just need more tuning"

[restive saffron]

man i feel stupid in this bitch

[clever path]

So then resume all this… as of right now there is a very high confusion on whether we press RB or Ramp…. Should be ramp only when SS stacks are good enough or just send it regardless… or when do we overcap fury and keep RB over Ramp?

[formal ravine]

You brought up 20% dmg buff.

[restive saffron]

yall arguing having avg 100 in mythic raids im out here trying to find the right emblishment

xD

[sullen tendon]

it rattles my brain that even with the state that fury war is in people are so adverse to changes

[formal ravine]

Nobody is "adverse" to changes. Your wishful changes are nonsense.

I would love to see RA and Titan's Torment be reworked.

But i am not going to claim tthat i want execute to brew me a coffee as a side effect.

[dense elbow]

For M+ 2x dawn/dusk, for Raid it is likely the same. Season is over in a couple of weeks, and the embelishments themselves do very little to increase your DPS.
So feel free to just have fun with it

Poke me if you got any questions, and I will answer. If you are lost in the sea of Bobby bad-takes

[gusty maple]

kinda want the old bloodbath

[restive saffron]

yup u right

[sullen tendon]

our abilities do nothing. other specs have abilities that interact with eachother and cause extra effects. we dont do that. make us do that so we are modernized the same as other specs.

[gusty maple]

that give 30% bleed dmg or some shit

[formal ravine]

Present an argument on that then ?

And keep in mind you're playing a WARRIOR. How much flavour would you like it to have other than press>do dmg?

[dense elbow]

Any reason you want 30% as bleed dam, instead of just a 30% mod on direct damage?

[gusty maple]

cause we already got bleed talents

[sullen tendon]

why would I present an argument that will instantly be nitpicked and argued against no matter what. If i said we should have a new aoe spender ability instead of more meat cleaver spam people would say thats dumb they should jsut buff meat cleaver.

[dense elbow]

Yeah, but why do you want the damage portion come as bleeds?

Why not just as direct damage

[sullen tendon]

yea do it

[gusty maple]

idk its just what it did

[pulsar quest]

i agree with this point

[sullen tendon]

say it

[pulsar quest]

an aoe spender that isnt meat cleave would own

[formal ravine]

Actually no, that's a good argument, i personally hate playing my cleave around WW, and would love something more direct.

[pulsar quest]

idk what it would be, maybe like a large slam ability

[dense elbow]

No worries, we like what we like. Sometimes just because we simply do

[formal ravine]

I do not currently have a solution to it, but i would like to see that.

And technically, while it was still playing around WW, odyn's fury does have a capstone that does that.

The issue is that odyn's fury is so far behind, you're wasting points taking it, plus the extra capstone.

[dense elbow]

No, I would argue what you want is divine storm. If you want that damage profile and gameplay - you should play the spec that already bring that in WoW. Aka: Retribution Paladin.

[pulsar quest]

do you like meat cleaver?

[bitter palm]

like demolish

[pulsar quest]

its so boring

just making your same 3 buttons you press cleave is boring as fuck

[bitter palm]

long rampage or smth

[pulsar quest]

it needs flavor

[bitter palm]

is outlaw boring tho

[dense elbow]

What is different from doing those 3 same buttons, and a new 4th button every 4 globals instead?

[bitter palm]

cause for me it isnt

[pulsar quest]

"press 3 buttons on 1 target or press 3 buttons at 50% damage on 5 targets"

[dense elbow]

It is just ret

[pulsar quest]

outlaw has other buttons too though

it has flavor to it

[bitter palm]

i just hate how mind numbing meat cleaver is

[pulsar quest]

you are rolling the dice to get better procs, using killing spree

like theres substance to it

[bitter palm]

just make it a buff we have 100% uptime on without maintenence

[formal ravine]

So did warrior for a while, when odyn's fury and spear were relevant, the issue is outside of our rotational abilities everything else is a wet noodle.

[bitter palm]

fuck maintenance

in big 25

[pulsar quest]

fury rn is just "press ww every 4 abilites and spam the same buttons u did before"

I DID enjoy OF to be fair also

[dense elbow]

Every 4?

[bitter palm]

and all buttons do the same pretty much

bt is rb with a different animation

[pulsar quest]

and to be fair i also do enjoy MT

[dense elbow]

Dont worry, we know what ya mean Eddie

[pulsar quest]

it just needs something a bit more

[bitter palm]

tblast fucks

just nerf tier buff baseline and its good

[dense elbow]

Blast with tierset

[bitter palm]

to reduce rng

[pulsar quest]

yeah i wanna play PTR this week and try it

[sullen dove]

Ww was best when mbg spam

[bitter palm]

rng is wild

[sullen dove]

[pulsar quest]

but i feel like if i spend any time off live i will fall behind title

[sullen dove]

there’s yer aoe rotation

[pulsar quest]

so it kinda sucks

[sullen dove]

powerful

[wide field]

Why are we stormbolting in our opener? Is it off gcd and it is just a free cast?

[pulsar quest]

has anybody here tested ptr MT

[dense elbow]

Cause this season, the avg is going up and fast - thanks to ressilent keys

[bitter palm]

during bladestorm

u can cast stormbolt

[formal ravine]

It's a very miniscule gain while you bladestorm since you can press nothing else.

[summer quail]

99% of people aren't

[bitter palm]

dont do it if u need it

[formal ravine]

And i mean miniscule as in who gives a shit

[dense elbow]

They missing out on that 0.01% damage?!

[wide field]

yeah okay so it is just a miniscule min max thing

[dense elbow]

How dare they!

[formal ravine]

I don't even think it matters on a min max level

[bitter palm]

pop in do like 1 or 2 keys its enough to get a feeling

[marble pilot]

And only if you dont need the stun for something else

[summer quail]

so extremely miniscule it will not make a difference at all

[wide field]

thought maybe there was some debuff i missed that increased damage or something

[bitter palm]

thane flows very well now

[sullen dove]

Looked at a log of a warrior who did and it was worth exactly 1000 dps out of 3.6million

[formal ravine]

The total added dmg is something like half a melee

If not less

[bitter palm]

hectic as fuck

[sullen dove]

so ye 1/3600 gain ez

[bitter palm]

ez

[wide field]

aight thanks for the quick replies

[dense elbow]

Yeah, it is the same thing as throwing a wrecking throw when you are oor by a mechanic. It isnt a lot of DPS, but it adds up to something

[formal ravine]

But press it nontheless because it has a nice sound cue

[dense elbow]

[bitter palm]

now use it in cds against a shield

chatting

[marble pilot]

Couple uses for wrecking this seasons as well right? Couple bosses with shields

[bitter palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1394744906664378368/image.png?ex=6879e72a&is=687895aa&hm=8bb3b11bfdf54f61a5cc29618df453c75a7ab2a83631ba9c147ea24eb93e9743&

@pulsar quest

rng

moment

[marble pilot]

Its beautful

[dense elbow]

Now that is some clappa damage you want to see

Perfect for an end season

[formal ravine]

that's 30 sec of a fight though

[bitter palm]

ye hoa

2 patrol and shard on the left

with lust

[dense elbow]

I do hope that remains the dam profile goal they are setting tho

[formal ravine]

It doesn't

[dense elbow]

Cause that looks like silly fun

[bitter palm]

it is

[formal ravine]

The issue is you get those insane rng moments and then some insane non rng moments

and it evens out

[bitter palm]

spear 100% the way

getting 3 tb in a spear is massive

1 from tier

[dense elbow]

GamgaGamga, can stay with Thane. Remove reap RNG and make Slayer static

[bitter palm]

2 normal casts

[formal ravine]

i think it will be even more fun on first pull of gambit

20+ murlocs

[bitter palm]

also u can fit 4 or 5 if u have tb already

or if u omega roll

[marble pilot]

I expect they will lower the tierset a bit. But please please please keep the tblast resetting

[formal ravine]

The thing is you can have TB already up from BT, but you want the TB from ionizing strikes due to the 100% gain

[bitter palm]

ye but something i started doing is delaying ava

[formal ravine]

Why?

[bitter palm]

cayse ava gives 2 stacks and insta resets

[formal ravine]

Ava gives you 2 default TB

[bitter palm]

u can fit more in separ

[formal ravine]

not enhanced

[bitter palm]

yes but it still fucks

[dense elbow]

I kinda don't, cause Thane aint broken in any content I seen - it always been behind. It is like MM hunter, it just got the chance to go hard, as with explosive shots. And explosive shots could go a lot harder than what we see now.

[formal ravine]

It does yeah

[bitter palm]

i just wanna see a nerf to tier and a buff to tb

[formal ravine]

IT would absolutely fuck if we had the shadowlands spear version

[bitter palm]

to even it out a bit

[marble pilot]

I havnt actually seen any numbers. I just get scared when I see 47% damage from one ability

[formal ravine]

You actually felt the gain of dmg on that spear

[bitter palm]

spear would've done 20% on that pull

spear was cracked

[formal ravine]

yeah ignoring it's own dmg

It was 8 sec the duration

[dense elbow]

Its a snippet only, not an overall, dont worry

[formal ravine]

So you could fit in so much

[bitter palm]

and it was like 40s cd

with mikanikos

[formal ravine]

Yeah due to the covenant abilities

[bitter palm]

mikanikos my goat

[formal ravine]

Honestly i still do not understand why could we not have spear nodes that gave us what mikanikos did..

It would make spear so nice to have

[marble pilot]

Fair. Ive seen a lot of damage breakdowns like that. But I havnt seen anyone post the overall from a plus 10 or whatever that they did.
Or clips of the 20 mob pulls.

[formal ravine]

we could leave teh cd at 90 sec

[bitter palm]

ye same

[formal ravine]

And then it would be a choice of do i want 90 sec spear, or 45 sec roar and make a meaningful choice.

[bitter palm]

idk remove roar make it arms only or some shit

[dense elbow]

Overall, Fury seems to be around 7-8m as Thane, meanwhile Hunter is around 8-10m, mage is 8-9m. You can find logs open for anyone to see on warcraftlogs if you dont have time to test things yourself

[bitter palm]

btw spear is only gonna get better

with hoa trinket

cause its busted

its like 17 18k crit

on use

[formal ravine]

The dmg one they added now ?

[wide field]

I see a lot of logs where they don't line up avatar with recklessness. Do we just send on cd or do we hold avatar/recklessness for the other? Kinda confusing when the guides says one thing and the players do something else

[bitter palm]

no 1:30 with mega crit

on use

[formal ravine]

it's like an active version of pacemaker

[bitter palm]

ye

[formal ravine]

it didn't exist i think in shadowlands

[dense elbow]

Does it have a channel time tho?

[bitter palm]

1s

idk why

[dense elbow]

I dont want it

[bitter palm]

its just to be annoying for no reason

[formal ravine]

It's how they balance certain trinkets

Remember puzzle box in dragonflight ?

[dense elbow]

Dont care

its cringe

[formal ravine]

It is

[bitter palm]

its busted anyway

same with the haste delve one

at 710 its beating everything

[dense elbow]

I play OF, damned be the DPS loss, there is no way I will use that cringy trinky - I take my -12% DPS loss

[bitter palm]

20k haste on 30% uptime with mainstat

and giga predictable proccing

the main thing i dislike about thane

is that cds dont matter

i had pulls where i open with all cds

get no procs do some damage

then get procs and do morw than in cds

[formal ravine]

Was UF before it got nerfed still 4 sec? I can't remember the duration, the proc was 20% but the duration was it 6 or 4?

[fading sky]

So same spot as now

[dense elbow]

War never changes

[fading sky]

Warrior tax is real for being brown

[bitter palm]

it was 4 always i think

just had way higher chance and onslaught procced it too

onslaught is so sad

[formal ravine]

yeah it was 20% chance

I recall on fights like kazara which was a patchwerk you could literally get 100% uptime reck

[bitter palm]

less ap than mortal strike and has 0 modifiers

xddd

[bitter palm]

yeah and it sucked

imo

in m+ it was fun cause 2 sets of cds every pack

but flat damage

isnt very fun

main reason why i fw thane rn

giga spiky

but its rng spiky

so its not that good

[formal ravine]

What was the effect of previous titan torment i already forgot

before they turned it to this pile of shit

[dense elbow]

Hey, join club, "Make OF great again" and add a "Buff Bladestorm!"

Maybe you can escape Flat-Fury prison

[bitter palm]

of casts ava

and ava casts of

[formal ravine]

oh yeah

yeah would still have been shit the way of is atm

[bitter palm]

main issue behind s1

[formal ravine]

So no salvation for that part

[bitter palm]

and powerful enrage

2 devils

our cleave was a joke and all damage came from 3 globals

[formal ravine]

pre nerf?

[bitter palm]

ye

[fading sky]

Just buff of. If they buff both ppl will cry, and we get rekt again

[formal ravine]

the beautiful of avatar spin

It was awesome

[bitter palm]

cant convince me that iteration was healthy

[dense elbow]

OF gets buffed 60%
The raid:

• Every boss spawns a set of 8 adds, with 3million HP, every 50 sec

[fading sky]

100%

Every 45

[bitter palm]

of gets nerfed 9000%

[fading sky]

So avatar is rdy for 2nd set

[dense elbow]

50, to make it easier to line up

[bitter palm]

bladestorm nerfed 4000%

for arms as well

obviously

[dense elbow]

Adds removed from logs:
DH now oneshot the adds, but noone cares anymore.

[bitter palm]

master at arms ❌ master at catching strays ✅

[formal ravine]

You hold 2 gigantic swords so you spin faster due to the momentum, yuou drop it to one and you spin in slow motion now

fury and arms bladestorm right there

[bitter palm]

arms bs should be the same

as fury

[dense elbow]

Yeah, it honestly should

it is just a feelsbetter

[bitter palm]

it will be slightly longer due to lower haste but thats fine

as long as it isnt 2 years long

as it is atm

on top of doing nothing

[dense elbow]

To be fair, if BS did tripple the dam, you wouldnt mind spinning

Problem is that you press spin, your eye wanders to the DPS meter, and DPS goes down

[formal ravine]

Do you remember the area in shadowlands plague dungeon on the 2nd boss the slimes?

[dense elbow]

you trapped there

[formal ravine]

One of them gave a 50% haste debuff

[dense elbow]

not pressing buttons

as your DPS decrease

[formal ravine]

I was spinning for something like 8 seconds

[bitter palm]

tank solod that dungeon anyway

[marble pilot]

Sorry stepped away to work a little. So even though it looks crazy it still isnt actually broken. Less worried about nerfs. But never know with Blizzard fun detected with tier set and we cant have that.

[dense elbow]

Just in case a dev wanders by, send help:

[cunning rune]

did they time it solo

[frank dawn]

BUFF OF

DO IT

[plush maple]

No, buff Whirlwind pls

[modest condor]

bruh can i stop getting life binders hand maidens

i need the blazing drake

[marble pilot]

need both still. I did get antorus dog and jailer mount yesterday though

[modest condor]

ive gotten 4 life binders in like 7 kills

[marble pilot]

Didnt know you could get dupe mounts solo. I knew you could in groups and trade the dupe so it makes sense to get dupes solo. Just never seen it

[modest condor]

i got a double one on my first kill this week

[marble pilot]

I just assumed that the game hid the drop or something if you rolled it again solo unless you were in a group.

[narrow fossil]

Hello, which is the best flask for raiding and for m+?

[glad coyote]

alch chaos

[dense elbow]

I call it: For the greater good of all

[chilly fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-greater-good-evil-funny-gif-5283257

[light hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/condestável-condestavel-wojak-doomer-wojak-scary-wojak-gif-12758665197812043739

All that hopeism

just to be laughed at for not being prot again

[south kayak]

It took me the longest to get the experiment one

It was the last raid mount pre legion I needed

[modest condor]

got experiment on my 2nd kill this week

oh hey, azure drake in 3 kills

[formal ravine]

it's pretty common isn't it

[modest condor]

yeah feels like it

tbf every mount ive gotten was within 10 kills so far except for ashes

[formal ravine]

i know right

everyone i know farming still is after ashes

And it has a default rate of 1.6% right?

shouldn't be that rare given the amount of characters people are running with

[marble pilot]

Ive had ashes for years. Done like 20 dragonsouls this event and got 12b...nothing from deathwing

[chilly fractal]

12b was the only reason I’ve been running DS for years

So happy I never have to go back

[light hedge]

i mean, i want a blazing for once please

[south kayak]

Right now I’m farming Kings rest mount but it’s very low drop rate

Might not get it this event

[modest condor]

i would be surprised if you dont get it

[south kayak]

Idk

I already got burned out

At this point

[light hedge]

dunno getting invic at attempt 468 felt a bit salty when you have 5% buff

not gonna lie

[south kayak]

I also don’t have rivendare mount

[light hedge]

isnt that spamable tho?

[south kayak]

Yeah

I’m focusing on something else

[light hedge]

is tazavesh HM still guaranteed drop

?

[indigo arch]

Hate seeing so many ashes of alar now

[south kayak]

Yes

[indigo arch]

what's the point of raid mounts if they aren't rare and just handed out

[south kayak]

They’re still gonna be rare

Just not as rare

[modest condor]

most of these mounts havent been rare in ages

[light hedge]

ashes just gives me visual cringe, literally feels like my monitor has bleeding everytime someone runs across

[modest condor]

they're just a slog

[south kayak]

And yeah, silm is right tbh

[indigo arch]

p sure the event has affected things like the scythe in argus and taeshalach

[light hedge]

but atleast its a positive way to maintain playerbase for once

[indigo arch]

seeing way more with aggramar sword

feelsbad

[south kayak]

So what

Let them have it

[light hedge]

not me tho

[south kayak]

I’m not gonna bother with legion raids

We’re getting remix

[modest condor]

legion mounts are boring and ugly anyway

[indigo arch]

taeshalach without df s2 pvp enchant looks wack

[south kayak]

The guldan mounts are fire

But they’re ground

[indigo arch]

Only good legion mount is glad drake and the valajar paragon mount (which is literally the same mount without armor)

[wintry smelt]

I wonder if worth changing from kul tiran to void elf

[light hedge]

HD talbuk exists tho

from legion

gmod would be nice addition

[south kayak]

I still don’t have any legion paragon mount lol

Trash drop rate

[light hedge]

but doing it 13x a reset across all classes

brainfogs

[indigo arch]

shame too, probably one of the best dragons in the game

[chilly fractal]

Makes the number of mounts I have go up by 1 each mount I get

And that makes it worth it

[light hedge]

number go up = happy face

[tiny jewel]

Got the mythic scythe of unmaker..and was like damn this is the red one

Taeshalach is all that matters

[light hedge]

got neither

and no skip so far

eonar always fun

[chilly fractal]

I got the blue one first week of Antorus

[indigo arch]

surprised they haven't added another super rare drop weapon mog item

[edgy widget]

I got it in our first raid in Legion

[chilly fractal]

Still trying to get the red one and sword

[indigo arch]

the ugly uldir baby rattle doesn't count

[edgy widget]

But also it’s been more than 10 years for these things, and I firmly believe h that exclusivity has a shelf life

[tiny jewel]

Lol just my luck. Heck got the Sylvannas mount and legendary bow the week before collectors bounty started