fury

[edgy widget]

HnS isn't that necessary even right now

[clear axle]

OF?

[olive wraith]

Ye

Still pretty early

Who knows

[edgy widget]

OF is about the same as it is now, you can play it, but it's like +/-1% either way

[olive wraith]

Idk if you’d want the capstone either

[inland flame]

Titanic Rage is kinda nice but in a super minimal QOL way

[olive wraith]

Idk with how much we gonna

[edgy widget]

Yeah unfortunately Titanic Rage is a very weak talent

[olive wraith]

It’ll basically only be for enrage

[inland flame]

Yea the stacks don't really mean anything

[edgy widget]

OF in general could stand to be a lot stronger, but they really need to shift some of the power out of OF and put it into Titanic Rage instead to make the follow-on talent worthwhile

[coarse nest]

Or they could not have a follow up talent and just make OF a great button

[olive wraith]

Like giving it a bigger dmg increase?

[edgy widget]

there's nothing wrong with having follow-on talents, they just shouldn't be pointless lol

[inland flame]

Make it so that it makes your next two WW/Blasts do 10% extra dam instead of giving WW stacks idk, would make it nichely nice for Thane ig

[edgy widget]

OF being 10% of your damage means Titanic Rage is worth ~1%, when it could very reasonably be more like 7/3

[south kayak]

Titanic Rage should be 30% damage

[coarse nest]

I don’t disagree, just think it would be even harder to play OF if you required the follow up talent

[south kayak]

and Dancing Blades should be something else entirely

[edgy widget]

I don't see why it would be harder

[coarse nest]

Guess that’s just a turn nob adjustment

[edgy widget]

it would be more specialized sure, but tuning can reflect that

[inland flame]

Hey guise member when Onslaught was a thing huehue

[wary wave]

when single minded fury so i can mog tfury

[coarse nest]

I guess I could have elaborated that I was thinking from a raid build perspective

[dense elbow]

Same day as they release SMF unlock for Fury mogwise

[edgy widget]

consider that the stronger it is for less talent points means the more likely you are to simply take it everywhere (when it is strong) - that's not a good thing. The goal should not be "make OF great and every build uses it everywhere" because then we're right back in the same place of boring static talent builds

spreading that damage out among more talent points, presuming the overall value is still worth taking, makes it more specialized

[olive wraith]

Idk dancing blades felt good in Df

[inland flame]

Problem is autos don't mean anything rn

[edgy widget]

it was ok, but it was really just because of that same problem - you played OF everywhere lol

ideally, DB would probably be changed or removed entirely and Onslaught would be tuned for better ST damage while OF was more MT

[olive wraith]

Is onslaught just horrible dmg rn. We haven’t really touched it

[inland flame]

Imagine they make Onslaught a Ramp replacement that does something extra, that would be p based

[olive wraith]

But is that a talent shortage issue or a timing issue

[coarse nest]

Just slam some wild shit at us an make onslaught halve your gcd for X duration or something out of nowhere like that

[edgy widget]

not actually, but its been power crept real hard by rotational abilities, and its 1-2 extra talent points that can just go into other things

[coarse nest]

Apm intensifies

[inland flame]

ig it would need to not be too good or it would be great for aoe too because of Meat Cleaver idk, there has to be ways to do it

[olive wraith]

So since we kinda have a talent freed up next season

Might make base Os worth?

[edgy widget]

onslaught, no

[coarse nest]

I can’t make out what the robot is saying friend

[edgy widget]

Slayer could fit OF, but it's less useful for Thane just because you have to path through Critical Thinking... which buffs a button you're not focusing on (RB)

[olive wraith]

Fucking rip

[dense elbow]

That is without the enraged RB dam bonus btw

[edgy widget]

yes that's a result of power creep, there are like 8 things buffing RB at this point

[clear axle]

I’m dead 💀 fully an accident my bad

[edgy widget]

Cruelty, Wrath & Fury, Critical Thinking, Thorim's Might, Opportunist, Slayer's Malice, and both tier sets - not to mention Slaughtering Strikes value (which Onslaught spends another talent point on)

[dense elbow]

with a sprinkle of bloodcraze on top

[coarse nest]

[dense elbow]

RB is a very beefy meal

[coarse nest]

When you type it all out

Hollyy

[edgy widget]

Bloodcraze is more analogous to Slaughtering Strikes, but yeah

[thick fossil]

I can't even think of a way to make Onslaught good without entirely reworking most of the class.

[storm rune]

oh, you make it hit really

really hard

[dense elbow]

Making it good is easy, making it not start to knock OF out - now that is a lot harder

[edgy widget]

probably don't remember at this point, but they giga buffed base rotational abilities (BT/RB/Rampage) by like +40% in S2, which didn't improve stuff like Onslaught at a commensurate rate

[thick fossil]

The two talent points needed to get to it aren't horrible, but not that great.

You would have to move it up the tree than. I like the idea of OF being the aoe and Onslaught being the ST. Just with the RB spam, it seems unneeded. So you'd have to rework that.

[south kayak]

I think onslaught should be uncleavable with MC

purely ST

[edgy widget]

• Onslaught is 419% AP
• Raging Blow in Season 1 was 224% AP
• Raging Blow in Season 2 is 323.4% AP
  not counting all the extra modifiers, just base spell dam

[coarse nest]

Make it empower your next couple rampages or something

[dense elbow]

That would be some weird with rest of how the kit works tho

[edgy widget]

Well Tenderize does that already

[south kayak]

What if it makes all your next rampage strikes critical?

[edgy widget]

it doesn't really need a new effect

just some rebalancing

[thick fossil]

Yeah, but now we're talking 4 talent points. That's a lot of points for very little gain or QoL.

[dense elbow]

What if Onslaught increased the damage your target take from your next Raging Blow by 150%

I fixed it

[coarse nest]

Ahh yes another raging blow modifier

[thick fossil]

Can it be something other than RB? Please?

[olive wraith]

Proc a reap, tb charge

[thick fossil]

I still think crit BT should be 100% reap proc.

[fossil cloak]

are we gonna be able to keep up in bigger pulls now?

[dense elbow]

We are able to keep up better, and you can highroll. If you asking about PTR

[thick fossil]

No

[south kayak]

Certainly doesn't hurt

It's an improvement

[olive wraith]

Fdk is dummy thick

[south kayak]

you're dummy thick

[bitter palm]

from my experience

it entirely depends on tierset

[coarse nest]

Precisely 😝

[bitter palm]

if u can high roll u will keep up

or even beat them

[olive wraith]

[bitter palm]

but if it doesn't proc u are cooked

st is good survivability is cracked as usual

[thick fossil]

Druid, mage, shaman, paladin, DK, Dev voker, warlock, DH, hunter, shadow priest, BM hunter, will all leave you in the dust. Haven't seen much from WW yet.

[bitter palm]

5t seems very good

[dense elbow]

Welcome to Reap bladestorm RNG land Sucks to suck, just get lottery winning lucky

[bitter palm]

i played with a good dk

[fossil cloak]

makes 0 sense than abilities like Roar and Bladestorm are capped

[bitter palm]

in hoa

[south kayak]

I think you're listing way too many specs

[thick fossil]

Roar dot is soft capped.

[south kayak]

the only specs that are leaving you in the dust are the overtuned ones

[bitter palm]

he was ahead but not by that much

[bitter palm]

dots are uncapped

the initial hit is soft capped

[south kayak]

You're dooming way too hard

some of you

[bitter palm]

ye

i was beating a lot as well

[warm crag]

fury is dead

glory to orange

[bitter palm]

but idk if they were human

[south kayak]

Leaving someone in the "dust" is a strong sentence

that's like doing 30% more damage

[bitter palm]

ballzhd

[south kayak]

that's reserved for the overtuned specs

[dense elbow]

If you want to doom about PTR M+, you better be a Slayer

[thick fossil]

Is it dooming at this point?
I've been right on all my predictions so far. It's been the same thing since S1 nerfs, and Blizzard gives us little to no info of anything to look forward to.
We've basically been told to eat shit and like it.

[fossil cloak]

I only play slayer

[dense elbow]

Thane is looking to be one tuning pass from solid

[fossil cloak]

don't enjoy thunder clap in fury

[dense elbow]

Same Jelly, but we dug our own grave

Kinda cant expect the game to be balanced around ppl like us

[modest condor]

thane tierset makes its aoe damage VERY rng reliant

[bitter palm]

same but i love tblast

[modest condor]

you can easily highroll a pull and beat meta specs

[bitter palm]

main issue is rng

[bitter palm]

100%

i had 4 tb in spear

and holy shit

but sometimes u dont get procs in cds

[thick fossil]

I play all specs and hero talents, I don't want warrior to be op I just want them to be on par with the vast majority of classes.

[bitter palm]

and after cds ur dps just keeps rising

cause tier is proccing

[thick fossil]

Maybe even beat a couple.

[bitter palm]

tuning didnt come yet tho so its just waiting atm

[dense elbow]

No different from MM, with explosive shot. That kind of RNG is fun, as long as your baseline can keep up with ppl, and the procs isnt what carries the DPS, but is simply a bonus.

[bitter palm]

ye but some specs

are absurdly broken

atm

cause they havent done tuning yet

[dense elbow]

Yeah. We dont think that will last

[thick fossil]

Cap reduction of Roar to match Spear, (while I understand why they did it), was still a trash thing.

[thick fossil]

And I bet a lot of them will stay extremely op.

[bitter palm]

the initial hit is capped

not the dot

and the dot is all the damage

roar is just shit

in general

arms plays it cause bloodletting and thunderous words

[thick fossil]

Agreed

[dense elbow]

[modest condor]

im tempted to play m+ without either spear or roar

gives me an extra talent point to put somewhere else in the tree as well

[bitter palm]

i think spear is worth it cause of em

[dense elbow]

Roar is quite a bit of DPS in keys, on ST I can see you skip it. But on mass AoE?

[bitter palm]

tb in spear is so much value

[modest condor]

it's like 5% or something in a big aoe dungeon

[bitter palm]

higher simming as well

spear is like 3% on its own

and em value is huge with tb

[dense elbow]

I was about to say that was a tad low, then I remembred: you dont play slayer

It is pretty solid dam for Slayer, as the dam is supershit baseline

[storm birch]

Spear feels great if you're getting resets

feels really meh if you don't

[bitter palm]

ye

[storm birch]

like if i get a 3 reset on TB in my spear 6 sec window it's litty

if i don't get any i only get 2 TB off total and that's kinda meat

[dense elbow]

Question is it fun, like MM explosive shots. Or frustrating?

[storm birch]

The TBs?

[dense elbow]

yep

[storm birch]

Hmmm

[bitter palm]

tb is insanely fun

getting procs

[dense elbow]

Aight, so it is the good kind of feel RNG atm

perfect

[olive wraith]

[storm birch]

I think it's fun. But I'm noticing myself go more often than not with not getting resets (which adds up cause 35% chance lol) When I get them I feel like I'm finally keeping up. When I go dry I just feel like normal old fury

I'm somewhere in the middle on enjoyment of it. It feels absolutely amazing to spam TB though

[dense elbow]

Lets hope old fury wont be 20% behind on the meteres, but equal or max 5% behind, and you will have fun guarenteed

Win more RNG is a lot more fun than RNG that at best is catchup

[fickle cedar]

sad that they didnt fix odyns for s3 fk me

[storm birch]

I had a pretty smooth 12 Gambit like an hour ago. My Rng was good at times bad at others. This is where the charts were.

[dense elbow]

Final tuning hasnt passed, but yeah - it will remain pretty meh

[storm birch]

I think barring the outlier busted specs rn fury feels like it's average-ish

[fickle cedar]

wtf is frost

[storm birch]

yea they're def gonna get tuning haha

[meager hound]

Frost is a spec for either DK's or Mages.

[fickle cedar]

is it breath build, i have no idea what they did

[dense elbow]

Hard to say if they need tuning, if ya aint playing in a real group with real strats

[edgy widget]

that's kind of my impression as well - not particularly bad but not amazing either

[inland flame]

Oh what's that a spec was reworked into a blaster whoda thunk?

[storm birch]

@edgy widget yea. And i've been running mostly with monks so that's with the dmg bump from them. I didn't play perfect by any means, but it's def about average

[edgy widget]

I think Colossus is about the same spot, maybe even a little bit better than Thane still, but it might be dungeon specific

[inland flame]

Still gotta see where tuning lands but ye

[dense elbow]

As I dont keep an eye on the raid side of things, is Slayer so good off that any positive tuning is very unlikely?

[storm birch]

Would it be too much to ask for a 50/50 chance on the TB resets? rather than 35%. Would that just make it absolutely busted haha

not sure how much a % proc chance bump like that effects performance

[fickle cedar]

Does the tier set risk a lot of TB overcaps ? Haven't tried it yet

[storm birch]

The way I play it is whenever I press TB I just hard spam my TB hotkey until I realize it's not gonna reset then carry on with rampage/BT

Cause I'm hard prio-ing it over everything else. I found that if I go to rampage I'll end up sitting on my proc for a bit. Feels better to just hard spam it and then choose the next best as I realize it's not gonna reset

[fickle cedar]

I see that makes sense, I'm just imagining having ravager up, pressing BT and random set procs maybe gets messy during burst cds

[edgy widget]

that actually reminds me, need to test if Ionizing actually is 35% now, because in previous builds it seemed to be more like 15%

[edgy widget]

not really; you can't actually overcap because you have to spend TB in order to proc a new TB and it can't multiproc

so the only way you waste is if, for example, you TBlast -> 4p proc -> Avatar

[storm birch]

Interesting. I do feel like I have mad dry streaks at times. So I could see it for sure. But then i get the good rng and get 4 in a row and go giga lmao

[edgy widget]

even then, you're losing a charge but you're still benefitting from the increased damage

[edgy widget]

anecdotally I think they fixed it with the other changes, but it'd still be smart to test and make sure

[storm birch]

would definitely be an interesting clarification

[edgy widget]

usually proc rates are pretty stable, but heavily scripted spells can sometimes do odd things

have you tried Arms much yet?

[storm birch]

Not yet! I was gonna add that to my to-do list. I was focusing on trying out different trinkets on fury and seeing how things feel there

Does arms feel like it's in a similar place as before?

[modest condor]

i am absolutely sure that it's 35% proc chance now but never hurts for you to test it as well

[edgy widget]

Yeah it definitely feels like it

[edgy widget]

the Colossus change isn't that noticeable tbh, it was only a few %
I still don't think it was particularly necessary, but that's another story

I feel like Colossus is still at least on par if not slightly better than Thane too, but that may be circumstantial or just rng

[echo rapids]

My god who could have guessed that buffing out big aoe attack would be a good way to help us do aoe damage

[calm swallow]

So is zappy-stomp back?

[edgy widget]

yeah it got a good glow up

I wouldn't call it top tier, but definitely above average atm

[storm birch]

Hm I see. Closer than previous patch in performance at least? In current state

Oh wow I forgot to check choice nodes. Gathering Clouds gives so much more value than Thorim's Might now right ?

I jsut try a dummy smash with it and it kinda pumps

2 avatar cycles ended like 12.4m sustained

[edgy widget]

I think so; sim wise Colossus looks decently ahead, but they don't feel that far apart in practice - again this might just be rng/skill/dungeon diff though, which is why I'm looking for other opinions

[edgy widget]

You know... maybe. That's not a bad observation, since the tier pushes us to use BT more and RB less

Personally I'm not a big fan of Gathering Clouds because it pushes you to desync Reck and Avatar to avoid wasting a charge (since pressing Ava caps them out anyway)

[calm swallow]

I was kinda excited to do M+ as Slayer again, buuuuut I'm also happy to continue stompin

[edgy widget]

You also don't get the tier's 100% damage buff from Gathering Clouds, but it does give you an extra roll for that tier buff, and even base TB damage isn't bad

[storm birch]

When I get a chance to do some testing I'll def give a shout on my thoughts o7

[edgy widget]

Sure, love to hear em

I'll poke the cooks about seeing what we can do with Gathering Clouds

[thick fossil]

Well, here is the problem: The outliers seem to be allowed to just own the playing field. While we get left behind. I'm sick of being mid or trash. Cause both Arms and Prot are gonna be mid, and Fury trash.

[limber oar]

🪤

[edgy widget]

Well I wouldn't call Fury trash anymore, but while I sympathize with your feeling, it's almost an invetability - as much as we may want it to be, WoW is never really going to be balanced that tightly

[storm birch]

The way I see it. I'm barely pressing RB depending on proc rate. 30% more often on lightning strikes gives a much higher uptime from the Avatar of the Storm passive. We don't really need the rage gen since TB is gonna flood us with rage anyway. So Gathering Clouds kinda looking like a no brainer with RB dropping down the prio list

[thick fossil]

No, I'm not baiting anything. It's been the entire expansion and most of DF was awful and far from meta.

[storm birch]

Now I'm itching to try a dungeon with that change, but I planned a picnic date so away from my PC I go

[edgy widget]

https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-lunch-cute-animal-little-picnic-jukin-video-eating-gif-14245059

[olive wraith]

For raid m+ or both

[edgy widget]

Oh you know what, when you said Gathering Clouds, I was thinking of Snap Induction (the other choice talent with Flashing Skies)

you know, the other choice node we never change

[olive wraith]

We were actually pretty good s2 m+

[storm birch]

Lmao I looked at that one but giving up Flashing Skies seemed a little troll. because of all the passives lightning strikes can activate

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/justin-timberlake-snl-saturday-night-gif-26491818

[olive wraith]

Yes

[orchid dagger]

Bro actually lying in chat

You hate to see it

[storm birch]

This vs this

[edgy widget]

Yeah, i'm on board now

[edgy widget]

Fury was good at the start of DF S2, dangerously close to being meta if not for the surprise addition of Aug

[storm rune]

Filthy AM playstyle though

[cursive ridge]

df s3 goated playstyle ill stand on that

[olive wraith]

Agree

[flat river]

DF fury was good

all builds

S3 and S2

[cursive ridge]

nuclear bomb bloodthirsts with odyns fury...yes pls

[thick fossil]

Yeah, I quit that expansion after Aug came out. Went from getting invites at 3k to hours upon hours of waiting cause I wasn't an Aug or a class that really benefited from Aug.

[olive wraith]

Ye Aug did really fuck up the balancing

[orchid dagger]

We just need more support specs tbh

[olive wraith]

More or none

Either way

[storm rune]

arms/outlaw should be support specs

[orchid dagger]

Aug was bad because it was new and everyone needed one

[olive wraith]

Why arms

[storm rune]

enhance is in the name

[thick fossil]

only if they can make a support spec boost every class equally.

[orchid dagger]

I mean on paper Aug buffed equally

[thick fossil]

LMAO

[storm rune]

Arms, by the more traditional sense of the spec of being a master of arms, you pass that mastery on to the group with sound strategy and tactics

[thick fossil]

Not even on paper man.

[olive wraith]

Fury. Enrages your entire team into a frenzy

[storm rune]

Arms should b the dual wield spec tbh

its not called arm

[olive wraith]

You can make anything fit thematically

[storm rune]

I literally shoot thunder out of my ass and yell so hard it summons a dragon

its a theme

[fading sky]

Df season 2 was a goated season before aug. Balance was very very good

[edgy widget]

it didn't; Warriors actually have some of the lowest primary stat scaling in the game (that's actually the reason Armored to the Teeth exists)

on paper, Warrior was actually one of (if not the) worst specs for Aug to buff, though circumstantially the way our burst worked meant that they could still be good temporary targets

[orchid dagger]

[mystic hill]

only took like 3 weeks of trying to kill this in reclear, but i FINALLY have it

how do we macro bis?

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-pepe-dance-dancing-moves-gif-16309201

[inner zinc]

kinda crazy how back in the day warrior used to be one of the better scalers

RIP Armor pen

[edgy widget]

different kind of scaling

[edgy widget]

#1237307732705415228 message

[chilly fractal]

Rage Normalization...

[jolly marten]

im ready for the stray nerfs to mountain thane

[fading sky]

I mean its prim stat thats bad scale

[jolly marten]

Prot thane is doing crazy dmg

[fading sky]

Lol prot collosus also

Mby blizzard, aurs nerf prot?

[oak peak]

I know its probably been asked a thousand times annoyingly, but how is fury looking next tier in raid/M+? is it going to be griefing to play it in keys again? Seems thane is doing well with current tuning? Super prefer fury over arms

[edgy widget]

tbh nerfing the set down from +100 -> +50% and bumping up TBlast base damage by 25% or so would be fine

[orchid dagger]

Go level another class and keep the warrior on standby

[oak peak]

Sad day

[dense elbow]

Nobody knows, but currently, it is looking more like s1 than s2 situation. I presume there will be some tuning both up and down for stuff, having to guess - it wont be as bad as the current live season, so less grief than that

[jolly marten]

fine like:
how was it?
it was.... fine

[dense elbow]

Everything is fine

it is always fine

its fine

[oak peak]

Well thats good at least. Im not looking to push for a title…more just dont want to feel like im actively griefing our weekly runs

[rose bay]

I am the melee buff!

[edgy widget]

if all you do are weekly keys, you shouldn't be concerned with that anyway

[rose bay]

If monk gets 8% mystic touch i want 15% bshout or banner!

[oak peak]

Well that on top of doing Raid, i want to do the best i can. But yeah

[edgy widget]

you can still do the best you can

[rose bay]

yeppers

[jolly marten]

pretty much you are a buff... you dont have anything else

[dense elbow]

If so, dont worry about it, you can solo carry DPS in a 12 atm, with 2 AFK DPS. Fury can do that.

Dont worry, we are more than fine for that

[jolly marten]

battle shout and alt F4

[orchid dagger]

Just not anything better lmao

[rose bay]

Unless ur racing or doing rank 1 shenanagins, ur playing the bis class

[dense elbow]

As long you got extreme amounts of copium, you can justify yourself being boosted in higher keys

[oak peak]

Well, best my class can do. More want to know if its arms>>>>fury like currently, or if itll be more similar to S1, so thats good to know

[jolly marten]

its crazy that we have a pretty much broken op tier set now and we cant even catch up with the last dps on m+

[orchid dagger]

H > Rated > Solo Shuffle or Blitz

[rose bay]

Shockwave, blade storm, swag

[orchid dagger]

Bout best you are going to get

[edgy widget]

I mean... have you actually played PTR? Cause Wars aren't doing badly in M+ now

[dense elbow]

We are more like mid tier, than bottom, the Thane buff really helped push some AoE

[fresh creek]

how are we looking for the raid?

[oak peak]

Thanks! Thats what i wanted to know. Appreciate it guys

[dense elbow]

Hopefully not good

so slayer gets buffed

[orchid dagger]

^

[edgy widget]

unless you're considering them "last" in a race solely between War, Hunter, DK, in which case it's kind of a biased argument

[jolly marten]

i am playing. but im not a good player.. i watch Critcake playing fury right now and being behind by far

[rose bay]

im just excited to potentially hit bt more then rb

More slayer strikes

[orchid dagger]

BT self-heal

[rose bay]

Hate rb, love bt, simple ass

[edgy widget]

"behind by far" lmao

[jolly marten]

its good only with 6-7 targets at max.. above those numbers it fells off pretty hard

[warm crag]

NOOBCAKE

[rose bay]

gigagapped

holey

call that the grand canyon

[dense elbow]

Another season of being a buff bot I see, nice

[edgy widget]

6% difference against the actual top two M+ specs atm

[oak peak]

Aren’t those two specs mega pumping anyways?

[candid falcon]

"touchofurmom" is hysterical

[edgy widget]

"BEHIND BY FAR"

[edgy widget]

yes, that's my point

[rose bay]

look theres a secret

just play in lfr

top dps by unlimited amounts

free good brain juices

I do my weekly 5 cause i like making the tank feel like they should reroll

[fierce tusk]

isn't critcake giga cracked m+ pusher tho

[rose bay]

U wanna be the best u got to follow the best

[dense elbow]

Nah, washed up

[jolly marten]

first its streets that has low pulls, second i dont watch it everytime.. when i turned he was far behind

[dense elbow]

went arms

[orchid dagger]

That's because LFR is Looking For [redacted by automod]

[rose bay]

streats have low pull

[candid falcon]

you can get to 3000 dungeon points as slayer fury, it isn't even griefing

[rotund ginkgo]

i FUCKING knew it

[candid falcon]

so do your best :)

[rotund ginkgo]

our guild got a new warr trial FILLED with 99s

and he was on our raid roster rn

[edgy widget]

the point still stands - being behind the two top specs is not the same as "we cant even catch up with the last dps on m+"

[rotund ginkgo]

for reclear

[red berry]

im hoping they don't nerf the 100% blast but id imagine we'll get tuning elsewhere if we do

[rotund ginkgo]

and he parsed similarly to me

[rose bay]

Yeah our current warrior (me) is full of 30s

[rotund ginkgo]

I KNEW im being sandbagged by my guildies DESTROYING shit

[fierce tusk]

suffering from success

[rotund ginkgo]

when your boomie and unh parse 99s

[red berry]

tier was pretty big, that far behind presumably very good players isn't bad at all

[candid falcon]

dawg i wish i was bottom dps in my guild man.

[rotund ginkgo]

as fury ur cucked

[rose bay]

i love being on the bottom

when im at the top, i know somethings gone hooooribly wrong

[jolly marten]

this was the situation when i looked

[fierce tusk]

atleast your guild still plays the game

[candid falcon]

thats true. we're heroic raiders so its no big deal how much they do

[fierce tusk]

mine plays card games

[edgy widget]

that's like 2 pulls into the dungeon, isn't it? lol

[rose bay]

Dude the dks worse

[dense elbow]

Try to focus either on overall DPS, or prio - dont do snippets, as they dont say much of the value we bring.

[rose bay]

you should worry bout that

[candid falcon]

imagine dropping WoW for MTG lmfao

[fierce tusk]

like irl card games KEK

[junior gale]

Holy no context useless DPS screenshot

[fierce tusk]

our hunter made a deck specifically to fuck with our gm KEKW

[candid falcon]

i hate to say this but people play magic the gathering in person

[jolly marten]

this is now... also consider that its critcake and some random dudes

after a few pulls

[dense elbow]

come back after the dung is completed, I beg

[edgy widget]

"I don't know who they are, must be random dudes"

[rotund ginkgo]

fury bad

[rose bay]

i dont think critcake plays with randos

[rotund ginkgo]

[rose bay]

buff fury

Make it boomkin

[dense elbow]

Crit plays with randos too, wdum?

[candid falcon]

truth nuke

[junior gale]

Obviously did u see that screenshot barely even a spec

[edgy widget]

I mean he does, but the point is there are an awful lot of assumptions being made here

[junior gale]

Might as well be a hunter pet

[rotund ginkgo]

@junior gale reroll shaman

[rose bay]

im plenty random, when cirtcake carry!

[fierce tusk]

let me press auto rotation button and do better than 95% of the playerbase plz

[junior gale]

Fuck no going Frost dk like everyone else

[candid falcon]

isnt it kinda crazy that warriors dont have bloodlust

[edgy widget]

no

[rotund ginkgo]

is breath a thing in s3?

[dense elbow]

Oh here we go again

[rotund ginkgo]

if yes im cooked

i HATE breath

[dense elbow]

we starting the utility talk loop

[junior gale]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-factory-you-will-never-find-another-store-shelf-a-bunch-of-buzz-lightyears-gif-21719996

[rose bay]

Jokes on u ive been doing gally with the auto rotation

(im not i just suck)

[fierce tusk]

turbochad

[candid falcon]

okay hold on i'll be actually creative

[orchid dagger]

Make Battlefield Commander baseline

[dense elbow]

What, you gonna suggest AoE combatress and cleanse?

[candid falcon]

is there a more interesting way to make rallying cry better than just "more hp"

[fierce tusk]

if my guild came back i would level a boomkin just to press auto rot just to spite them ngl

[dense elbow]

Here we go

[junior gale]

Yeah but breath is good now it's 1:30 CD and doesn't cost runic power to extend

[rose bay]

make rally give leach

[rotund ginkgo]

fr?

[edgy widget]

probably yes, does it need to be "more interesting?" not really

[rotund ginkgo]

so its no longer a "hold breath for 1min and do nothing until its up"?

[candid falcon]

yeah it extends on killing machine uses and the aoe version

[junior gale]

Yup u extend breath now by consuming KM and Rime procs

[rose bay]

I just havent tallented it outside of raid

[orchid dagger]

It needs to be a real button is what it needs to be

Battlefield Commander should be baseline

[edgy widget]

then it can be buffed, but it's not a major mechanic, so it doesn't particularly need to be "interesting"

all it needs to do is what it's supposed to do

[rose bay]

bring hp over 1 shot threshhold

[candid falcon]

thats a fair assessment, i just kinda wish pressing rally felt like something again and i dont think blizzard will ever go back to 20% max hp

[rose bay]

or emergency oh shit while waddling through fire

[fierce tusk]

let the tunneling mage survive a mechanic he didn't dodge

[rotund ginkgo]

FR?????

[candid falcon]

[rotund ginkgo]

so ITS BASICALLY just a regular cooldown and we play obliteration?

[edgy widget]

yolo Rally actually saved my raid group on gally last night lol

[rose bay]

yeah rally is pog as fuck

[candid falcon]

thats sick tbh

[rose bay]

just throw it on spikes

its the saftey blankie

[candid falcon]

when rally works it does feel good im ngl

[orchid dagger]

It's basically just a pvp button atm

[rose bay]

I just wish it was 20% to make it easier to judge if someones gunna be fucked in the ass or not

[orchid dagger]

Let's be real

[rose bay]

or 50%

id take 50%

[fierce tusk]

it kinda is a oh shit button tbh

[edgy widget]

I agree, it's kinda weak and not super exciting because of it, esp in M+
but I don't think it needs to be especially "interesting" it just needs to do its job

[candid falcon]

50% is NUTS

[fierce tusk]

just kinda niche

[south kayak]

Not the utility arguments again..

[candid falcon]

50% for like 4 seconds could be heat actually

[rose bay]

Ong

cause its just like last stand

u dont need it to live a chain of hits

just to survive a nasty booty bump

[edgy widget]

that'd be broken af

[candid falcon]

oh for sure

[jolly marten]

if capped fury cant overdmg all other specs in Streets that has small pulls, played from top player against random players.. i wont do any assumptions.. i let everyone decide for himself what to assume

[south kayak]

That would be insane broken lol

[candid falcon]

that would be the most abused shit of all time actually

[fierce tusk]

random warrior giving a bear 50% more hp

[rose bay]

How many warriors to keep it up perma

[storm birch]

Does befouler's syringe seem to perform well at all? Wasn't sure if anyone tried it

[rose bay]

4 seconds per cast

[edgy widget]

I get wanting an impactful CD, but tank/dps cooldowns shouldn't be better than healer ones lol

[candid falcon]

30 for a 2m cd

[rose bay]

3 min cd

[candid falcon]

45 for a 3m cd

[rose bay]

hell yeah 30 for 2 min

but make it a 1 min cd 2

50% 4 sec cd

[edgy widget]

not really, no

[rose bay]

reverse of the spell block change

4% 50% damage rd

[fierce tusk]

if anything just give it 5 or 10 more % and give it more cd

[storm birch]

I'm reading through all these trying to figure out what is worth trying hah

[rose bay]

im sad the marrige ring wasnt good

[south kayak]

I think rally should just be made stronger in m+

[rose bay]

id love to mary the homies

and divorce em after raid

[candid falcon]

i feel like the reason people keep coming back to "how to make rallying cry interesting" is because rally does dogfart in m+ and feels pretty weak in raid, but blizzard isn't interested in making rallying cry numerically strong

[south kayak]

It should go back to 20% hp

[junior gale]

Basically yeah you should try it on ptr shit bangs crazy how well Blizz did in fixing that specs gameplay shits buttery smooth now. No more DND cleaving that's gone. Now you got frost scythe baseline which is now your AOE obliterate.

[orchid dagger]

Blizzard isn't interested in us at all is the problem

[rotund ginkgo]

YES

FUCK YES

FROSTSCYTHE IS BACK

SORRY GANG

IM GOING FDK

[dense elbow]

Bye o/

[rotund ginkgo]

(my OG main was fdk in legion)

[candid falcon]

o/ not gonna lie FDK looks sick as balls

[rotund ginkgo]

(i died when they killed frostscythe)

[orchid dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-world-of-warcraft-login-loginwow-login-meme-gif-12215928468343350012

[rotund ginkgo]

frostscythe waws the best thing in the game

[fierce tusk]

fdk is the closest thing to a loved by blizzard warrior

[rotund ginkgo]

THE WORLD OF WARCRAFT

[junior gale]

They did a great job with the Frost rework

[south kayak]

Fdk owns

[orchid dagger]

I was going to play Havoc, but I have a DK to level

[candid falcon]

the only time it ever feels like blizzard pays atention to warrior is when we're good, so they can slap us back down

[junior gale]

The spec reworks for the most part this expansion have been on point

The DH rework in 11.1 was peak as well

[orchid dagger]

The first rule of brown class...

[fierce tusk]

seems like humans are in charge of the game again

[south kayak]

That was barely a reshuffle

[junior gale]

It changed enough and fixed every issue I had with DH so A+ in my book

[south kayak]

Every?

There abundance of cds is a huge issue lol

The*

[junior gale]

Every I think Havoc is a banger

Not really imo

[rose bay]

wonder what the new dh spec is guna be like

[fierce tusk]

havoc deez nuts

gottem

[junior gale]

Arms has more

[rose bay]

havoc stoll from warlock, new dh spec stealing from arms?

[south kayak]

Seems less and less likely it’s spec

[candid falcon]

shadowlands really got me, they let druids get away with shit the whole xpac but we get slapped down every patch

[rose bay]

aw :C

[candid falcon]

D:

[rose bay]

100% a warrior dev is paying for they sins

[south kayak]

Wouldn’t they make it testable on PTR

If it was a spec

[rose bay]

Not if it was a next expansion thing no?

[south kayak]

Oh it is?

[candid falcon]

aug didn't

[modest condor]

or a .5 thing

[south kayak]

I thought it was a s3 thing

[rose bay]

or a .5 thing

nod nod

[south kayak]

Ok

[orchid dagger]

So real shit, are we really getting a third DH spec?

Or is that copium?

[rose bay]

Just a rumer! i hope they get it

[pine gust]

Idk if thats good move, the choice might overwhelm dh players

[red berry]

nah

why would it

the majority of specs in the game have three specs

[pine gust]

Imagine whole life having 2 specs, and now there are 3. I don't know man, that's messed up.

[modest condor]

my life would be in shambles

[red berry]

i cant even count past two

im a fury warrior player

[junior gale]

rumor but very likely as they are mimicing the same stuff they did with Aug. Raid preview and questline explaining its existence. So most likely next expansion thing or if were very lucky .5 patch

[summer quail]

Not confirmed. Just alot of hints suggesting it is coming

[dense elbow]

Wonder if they will buff Culling Cyclone to 20-30% per strike, to help slayer mass AoE

[junior gale]

WW triggers reap for both arms and fury

one day

[south kayak]

Wouldn’t you just spam ww for fury lol

[edgy widget]

Culling Cyclone doesn't do AoE

[south kayak]

Slayers Malice should be increasing Execute or BS damage

[dense elbow]

Doesnt it repeat 10% of the dam? Guess it is even worse

[edgy widget]

Slayer's Malice buffing Exe instead of RB has been one of my recommendations for a long time now

[edgy widget]

no, go read the talent again lol

Each strike of Bladestorm deals an additional 10% damage evenly split across all targets.

[dense elbow]

Ah right, I remember this from way way back

[edgy widget]

it's a x1.1 multiplier, divided by the number of targets hit

[junior gale]

in big pulls probably kekw

[dense elbow]

What if they dont do that tho, and makes it simply have BS do more dam on AoE

A man can dream

Some options between ST and MT, would be neat

[edgy widget]

• so if your Bladestorm deals 100 damage to 1 target, it deals 100 * 1.1 = 110 damage
• if your Bladestorm deals 100 damage to 5 targets, it deals 100 * (1+0.1 / 5) * 5 = 510 damage
  the net gain still being just +10 damage

[dire vigil]

@edgy widget how much better is brutal finish mathematically?

[dense elbow]

Yep, it makes sense, it just doesnt make sense that it works that way - cause the gain is so tiny

[edgy widget]

its just meant to help make an AoE ability better in ST

[south kayak]

I remember when they randomly nerfed culling cyclone

[dense elbow]

Just seems weird to have two nodes focus on ST, should prob just remove one of em

[south kayak]

Finish isn’t ST

It’s also cleave

[dense elbow]

Indeed, that is true

guess we could call that the scuffed AoE and ST option

[edgy widget]

Kind of a tricky question since its dependent on how much damage Rampage does, but it is generally better because its just a raw multiplier that benefits from hitting multiple targets

but yes, at first glance it seems like Culling would be the AoE option (cause BS) and Brutal would be the ST option (cause Rampage), but the reality is actually opposite

circumstantial tuning notwithstanding

[dense elbow]

Fair, guess they should buff it to 20-30% either way

[fierce tusk]

generator > spender > generator > spender

[south kayak]

Cyclone should just be a damage buff to BS, instead of this

[fierce tusk]

thats two 2's

[edgy widget]

the intent was helping ensure that what is a predominantly MT ability (Bladestorm) still be good to use in ST

[south kayak]

We already have that intent with Unhinged tbh

[edgy widget]

To be fair, Culling Cyclone came first

[south kayak]

True

Should have been changed by now though

[edgy widget]

But just because we have one doesn't mean there can't also be another, and it is on a choice node so

[south kayak]

[dense elbow]

Question, for funsies I did a sim - why does culling sim higher on 10+ targets?

[edgy widget]

Cause Bladestorm itself hits more than 5 targets, while Rampage does not

[south kayak]

That is true, I just want one node that actually helps BS with Multitarget or at least just a plain aura buff for it

[dense elbow]

Ahah! So buffing culling would help mass AoE

[edgy widget]

Well no, it would still only be gaining the same amount of damage

but there are other factors that interplay

this is an example of "WoW combat is insanely complex" lol

[south kayak]

I want to press BS and feel like I’m destroying aoe

[dense elbow]

Wont happen sadly

too low of a CD

[edgy widget]

also the multitarget apl doesn't really takes advantage of Brutal as much as ST one does (purposefully stacking Slaughtering after BS for a giga Ramp)

[south kayak]

If it’s the only thing helping with aoe, I don’t see why they can’t giga buff BS

And avoid other aoe abilities

[dense elbow]

Cause AoE burst in raids

[edgy widget]

I mean Bladestorm damage isn't bad at all

and its on a very low cooldown

[turbid bay]

The rb after bs is weird tho if you get unlucky during bs you wont be enraged

[edgy widget]

you're not going to have a 30s CD that does 5m CD damage

[edgy widget]

Sure, nobody said it was great tech, but it is tech

[south kayak]

Unfortunately it doesn’t feel like it does much

[turbid bay]

Yeh for sure

[south kayak]

I’d rather it be a longer cd

[edgy widget]

maybe you would, but that's not what it is

[spare steppe]

Why does the wowhead rotation recommends rampage at 100+ rage and not when rampage is available? Been following just wanted to understand

[olive wraith]

Because rb is too strong

[edgy widget]

so the fundamental idea is that by pooling rage while already Enraged, you reduce the amount of rage you need to generate before casting the next Rampage

[south kayak]

Was this the case in bfa when rampage did a lot more damage? I remember just pressing it immediately as soon as it lit up

[edgy widget]

consider that Enrage lasts 4-5s, if you cast Rampage immediately at 80 Rage, you might use it while there are still several seconds left, refreshing it to 4 (or 5 talented) and thereby wasting that extra time

because Fury rage gen isn't completely static, you'll always generate a little more or a little less depending on procs and circumstance

[quiet breach]

what's the thing that enrages you during bladestorm as slayer?

[turbid bay]

Bloodthirst

[edgy widget]

so by delaying the use of Rampage, you "use up" more of the duration of the current Enrage before overwriting it, and then since you've now used Rampage at 100 rage instead of 80, you're left over with 20, which means that you only need to generate 60 more to Rampage again (instead of a full 80)

[edgy widget]

Unhinged auto casts Bloodthirst, which has a chance to trigger Enrage

[spare steppe]

Cheers makes sense. So it’s still important to be chaining just want to ensure there aren’t gaps of enrage downtime

[edgy widget]

Yeah basically, it's just a minor thing to help maximize Enrage uptime and maintain a stable rotation
because Enrage is just a huge buff; usually +30-50% damage or more and increasing haste on top

[quiet breach]

I would read my talent tree if I was at home, but these don't say anything about enraging. is there another talent that gives bloodthirst a chance to enrage?

[edgy widget]

read the Enrage tooltip

[quiet breach]

ah there it is ty

[edgy widget]

it's just because it's part of the mastery, rather than the base spell

[dense elbow]

As I got you here, and noone seems to have an answer. I don't really check raid testing, yet slayer is likely to be the raid spec and such balanced heavilly around that.

Is it currently in a situation where it looks like Slayer will be buffed, stay as is or nerfed, aka is what I see on the PTR in m+ for slayer kinda what I should expect to get?

[red berry]

okay so

on the last boss of streets

i disconnected on the lift up to last boss

and i continually disconnected until the warlock in the group summoned me

i wasn't able to move and im still not able to move

[edgy widget]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-eight-ball-dont-count-on-it-gif-10894173

[dense elbow]

Sounds like something you should bug report

[red berry]

i did, yeah

lmao

[dense elbow]

I mean, if it is solid as is. I wouldnt expect any buffs. That kind of jazz

[edgy widget]

sounds like a convoluted way of asking "is XYZ good right now?" in which case you're gonna get the same answer everyone else does

[dense elbow]

By that, it sounds like it aint underperforming something extreme at least

so that is nice

[edgy widget]

I'd say its fairly average in raid atm, not particularly great, but doesn't seem bottom barrel either

[olive wraith]

Poor arms should get an aura buff

[edgy widget]

everyone will have their own opinion as to whether that means its fine or awful though

[limber oar]

im still trying to understand what he's saying here

[dense elbow]

Average is a nice place to be, as long as you got some fights you shine. But we will see where that lands as it does

[limber oar]

is he just asking if slayer fury is good in m+?

[edgy widget]

and frankly, the way they do tuning right up until the patch releases, and then typically hotfix for weeks after, I don't think it really means anything regardless

[olive wraith]

I like being below meta but above average

[dense elbow]

Nah, I am asking if I should expecting positive tuning. As Slayer is the raid spec, balance will be tuned around the raid.

If it is looking to be in a good spot, then I wont expect any sweeping big buffs. What it is, is likely what it will be.

[marble pilot]

I'm just hoping the thane set stays and I can tblast all season

[dense elbow]

I really hope they dont nerf the thane set at least, it seems like ppl love it and is a ton of fun

[edgy widget]

expect nothing and you'll never be disappointed

[dense elbow]

Expect that the situation remains the same, and I am pretty safe in it cant get much worse

[limber oar]

def can get worse lmfao

[dense elbow]

It always can, it is just extremely unlikely

[edgy widget]

Thane set prob will be nerfed if prot starts over performing with it!

[dense elbow]

Awww come on

[edgy widget]

Just knock down the TBlast buff and increase the spell base

[olive wraith]

Tell those clowns to stay on Col

[dense elbow]

I really hope they just let Pwarrior be, and then blizz can be patting themselves on the back as warrior is meta tank in the final season.

Let Thane broskis have fun with giga blasts

[edgy widget]

So that everyone else can cry about it you mean?

[dense elbow]

I mean, wont they either way?

Be it VDH or Pwarrior, one will be on that top spot

[olive wraith]

I’m still surprised fdk hasn’t been nerfed yet

[orchid dagger]

Shut up, I'm rerolling

[dense elbow]

No u aint, you staying Thane and doing big blasts...
Enjoy your nostalgia Frostscythe ♥

[red berry]

they can just tune individual spec accordingly

[dense elbow]

Best part about PTR logs, is just going:

omg, nerf those specs!

I have no contextual information whatsoever about that fight, but I will be loud about it!

[rotund ginkgo]

guy trying to sell

a dfc 20 resil

for

800k

LMAO

he wrote "20 resil warr" and then when i applied he dms me

[red berry]

lmao

[rotund ginkgo]

he asks me how much i offer

i say 100k for the memes

[dense elbow]

Hold up

Warrior discount?

[rotund ginkgo]

bro

imagine if 800k is discounted

whats the non discounted price

[olive wraith]

Non discounted price is tb gets reverted next tuning pass

[orchid dagger]

Oof

[dense elbow]

To be fair tho, if he guarentees you that 20, in time, for 800k

that is a good deal

[olive wraith]

I’ve never done a 20 but carrying someone through it can’t be easy

[dense elbow]

You cant 4 man it, I am pretty sure, so got to be self play or "self play"

[pearl sequoia]

800k sounds real cheap

idk actually in the grand scheme of buying title, all the keys wouldd cost a pretty penny together

[dense elbow]

If you buy title, you should just stop playing the game instead

[plush maple]

Yeah buy curves instead way cheaper

[dense elbow]

Question is, is ppl getting 20 resi key boost to title by friends, worse or better than ppl getting it boosted for gold?

[pearl sequoia]

cant hate on the gold buyers, sales make the world go round

the world of warcraft

[plush maple]

I vote for universal player income

[dense elbow]

ok that got me

got me good

[plush maple]

[edgy widget]

Yd is a

[echo rapids]

I can’t fathom people buying curve

[dire vigil]

Ngl, idk if either is bad at that level because the boosted person still has to perform to get the key done. You can’t 4-man that content

[echo rapids]

Was there even a mount?

[dire vigil]

You can be salty about not having the network someone with insanely good friends does, but oh well, right?

[rotund ginkgo]

its a fucking lfg que

i could be there for 6 hours

i assume his plan is to rack up multiple buyers and just sit there until he gets his 4-5mil

[quiet breach]

what is buying curves

[olive wraith]

It’s a woman’s workout franchise

[storm birch]

do any of the vendors on PTR have algari mana oil? I don't know if I'm blind dumb or both

[edgy widget]

There’s a consumable vendor in the middle of SW that should have it

[storm birch]

Hm ok I went to the consumable guy for alchemical chaos flasks and stuff but saw no mana oil. I'm prolly looking right over them tho

[dense elbow]

You dont say

[rotund ginkgo]

degen behavior

any1 knows easy/cool mogs/mounts to farm with this buff?

[earnest canyon]

Only one I've been doing is nzoth, but I have most of the others pre DF

Also only do it on one char cos I'm lazy and its boring

[heavy sparrow]

Imagine if fury was actually good

[rotund ginkgo]

sry cant do that

[thick fossil]

Last time I felt super strong as warrior was like Cataclysm. lol That was Arms during Dragonsoul.

[dense elbow]

Last time I felt super strong as warrior was TWW beta and partly heroic week

Pretty sure this new Thane tierset will give us some moments of glory with giga proc RNG, so there is hope some of ya get to enjoy this and feel strong 💪

[thick fossil]

fair, but that was so fleeting.

[compact knot]

TWW prepatch was maybe one of the strongest versions of fury i think

but like fake

[dense elbow]

Maybe, but for M+ it was quite overblown. If you tested the higher key levels, other classes did overtake us, but it felt fair

[thick fossil]

Shadowlands pre-patch was also kinda scary strong Warrior. We knew it wasn't going to survive tuning though.

[gentle zodiac]

any news about a fury buff ? didnt fing the thing on wowhead

[junior gale]

yeah John Blizzard said next week for sure

[storm birch]

I just realized netherprism doesn't reset stacks on dungeon key start. Idk if that will change but now I'ma need a turnip for farming 15 stacks before dungeon starts hah

[chilly fractal]

Just don’t get him confused with John B. Lizzard

[junior gale]

true that guy is usually full of shit

[thick fossil]

So is John Blizzard. 🤷‍♀️

[olive wraith]

John blizzard is a wonderful human.

You take that back

[earnest canyon]

I like to imagine John Blizzard is like Hector Salamanca, bell and all. It helps some of the changes make sense

[thick fossil]

Does that mean we will see him and his wheelchair explode?

[orchid dagger]

Any that are farmable on normal dungeons with a DH

Flippy dashes are good for speedruns

[thick fossil]

Hmm, horseman mount from return to Karazhan.

[modest condor]

i got a lot of mounts today

about half of them were life-binder's hand maiden

[brittle crow]

i put off farming last week and now i feel like i should give up and not try at all cuz i missed a week

sad

missed the timewalking event mount too

Sad!

[modest condor]

i got the one from throne of the four winds, the one from alysrazor, onyxia's drake and experiment 12-b, and 3x lifebinders which i already had

last week i got ashes of alar and the vortex pinnacle one

[brittle crow]

i rly should have an army of demon hunters for old content farm

[modest condor]

im still farming blazing drake and invisible atm

not sure what ill do after that

maybe ill go for the one from malygos as well because it's part of that drake achievement but tbh i dont remember the last time i did that so idk how the whole dragonriding part of the fight works

[inland flame]

I'm pretty sure it scales so I think you oneshot him

But it's been a long time

[modest condor]

most of my alts are like lvl 50-60

so not really 1shotting wotlk raids

[dense elbow]

Gz on the mounts 🏇

[coarse sparrow]

This part basically doesn't exist anymore, you are only on the dragon for a spell or two and the fight is over

[orchid dagger]

You hit him to 1% on even a level 50, then click a dps button once

It's not rocket science

[modest condor]

i see

im glad i already got all the mop mounts during remix and all the wod-legion ones are ugly so i dont have to bother with those

[inland flame]

Might be able to buy Legion ones during Legion remix anyway

[modest condor]

yeah

[chilly fractal]

Only have one mount left to get from this event… Kings Rest mount is pissing me off

[modest condor]

i already had that one before the event

[chilly fractal]

I had horrible luck with the BFA dungeon mounts

Didn’t get freehold mount until last week

And the Underrot mount I got while farming the trinket in Dragonflight

[modest condor]

kr one is the only one i have lol

i just got it while it was current

[chilly fractal]

At least I got the big ones I wanted to get from the event like N’Zoth and Jailer mounts

Takes so long to W key through Nyalotha and Sepulcher I could only solo on like 2 characters

[dense elbow]

How did you not get the tomb raptor from the hundreds of KR runs you did for Geti'?

[modest condor]

[sullen dove]

gave up like years ago

[modest condor]

reminds me of when i farmed disgusting oozeling back in cata

was supposed to be a 0.1% drop chance (1% chance in an item that has a 10% chance to drop) but it took me like 4.5k kills to get

[sullen dove]

while also wild i imagine thats very farmable mobs

vs a once a week dungeon

[modest condor]

yeah

i usually got a couple hundred kills while waiting for raid summon

[sullen dove]

shit was ass

at least lockout skip works

did idk like 7-8 toons a week when i did it

but certain point just boring

[modest condor]

the only 1% drop mount i've ever farmed is the vitreous stone drake from stonecore

and i got about average luck on that one i think

[sullen dove]

at least can do that 10x an hour

the run sure is annoying

think there is a port out tho

somewhere aruond there

[modest condor]

other than that i got them either while they were current for raids, or just randomly while running a dungeon doing something else

got deathcharger's reins on my first kill while lvling an alt, kr mount just from doing m+, 2 quantum mounts from dawn of the infinites (raven lord and zulian panther)

[sullen dove]

never gotten 1 quantum mount

my guildies gotten like 5

dogshit ass dungeon

[modest condor]

quantum mount felt like it had a really high drop chance

like 5% or something

sometimes i would do a run and 2 or 3 of them dropped

oh yeah grand black war mammoth i got from the anniversary version that spawned in tannaris

and some polar bear or something from a daily in storm peaks i got first try

that polar bear was funny

i was doing loremaster in storm peaks and randomly saw a daily, i was like eh may as well do it

got the mount

[quiet breach]

what is buying curves?

[flat river]

as in buy AotC

[slim coral]

guess new build tomorrow

they're 2 days late

[red berry]

idk didnt they do stuff early this week

[rose bay]

yay

[bitter palm]

prolly just background stuff tho

tiny number increase

[quiet breach]

ob

[slim coral]

well they gota start tuning

[slim coral]

well they're suppose to rotat the dungeons

[red berry]

aah fair

i should pump the brakes until s3 drops but ptr is a blast atm

[bitter palm]

[bitter palm]

prolly not this build tho

maybe something light

[sullen dove]

powerful p2 mugzee damage

[compact knot]

why is everyone else so weak

why cant arms be in execute all the time

got me looking at my p2 logs and im out here doing 4.2m

still less than the mm hunter across the whole fight

[smoky vale]

why are you shieldish

[sour frigate]

[echo rapids]

Mmm that gladiator fell bat for season 3 looking nice

[flat river]

fel bat*

[radiant coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042

[wintry smelt]

FURY GO BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

https://tenor.com/view/survive-rockstar-a27-rocks-gif-12484645

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-thor-infinity-war-gif-25139201

this me fr next tier

with thane

except I'll do it 5 times in a row

[light hedge]

I was thinking about the MT Details Post yesterday somewhen with ~5.5m DPS. But i didnt see any information about what dungeon / key level it might have been

12 and above seem to be around 6.5-7m average on dps.

might depend on dungeon and other stuff

but i dont think if we stuck at 5.XY we are really competing on above midtier grounds

[wintry smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-thunder-gif-12003010808141082270

I love fury again

Fuck arms fuck cleave

IT's ALL ABOUT THE CLAP

[flat river]

ja clappa

[south kayak]

It was streets and it exactly smooth sailing

[light hedge]

so based on keylevel and so on, can we actually verify if the 5.5m was midtier, pisslow or actually good for streets average?

[clever path]

Hej

[sour frigate]

🕷️

[smoky vale]

@clever path @warm crag @gleaming siren

[clever path]

Is thia tmy

[plush maple]

When you want to play classic wow but retail plays better

[plush maple]

Still forcing slayer in M+ hype

[gleaming siren]

Richard Radio bis

[karmic fiber]

Haven't looked much into the next patch, how is Fury VS Arms looking for Manaforge Omega?

[smoky vale]

🔮

[smoky vale]

+230k dps

[sour frigate]

riCHAD

[fading sky]

Dont worry thane's gonna get nerfed

Prot thane does to much dmg

😅

[clever path]

good

[storm rune]

It is the xpac of protwar after all

[fading sky]

From war pov

[storm rune]

Plus S1 ppal existed

sometimes tanks get to be OP for an entire season, we'll see

[south kayak]

Catching strays strikes again

[fading sky]

I mean gods forbid prot just gets a aura nerf

[south kayak]

Fury gets to be al ittle above average and it can't happen because another spec is insane

[fading sky]

Facts

Collosus arms caught same stray

🤣

[thick fossil]

Or whole expansions like VDH a few times.

[south kayak]

They can also nerf the set and buff Fury's TB

it's easy

[fading sky]

Nono

Set is fun

So needs nerf asap

[storm rune]

inversely collosus arms buff was the reason colo prot is so good

[fading sky]

Nono prot collosus m8

[south kayak]

It is fun but I'd rather they nerf the power of the TB buff and instead buff the baseline damage of TB

[fading sky]

Allready fucked

[south kayak]

like nerfing the 100% buff to 50% or 75%

then buffing ability by 20%

makes it less rng relaint

[thick fossil]

Now imagine if they reverted all the target cap bullshit they put in during S1 on the .5 patch?

Wait, was that even the .5 patch?

[south kayak]

I didn't know this was a thing

[fading sky]

For fury ? The of cap?

[iron portal]

There is achiev for everything at this point

[south kayak]

Apparently it was added at the st art of the expac

[thick fossil]

Roar, cap lowered, OF, soft caps dropped to 5 from 8, all of them. I thought that was the .5 patch they pulled that cap (of s1). Could be wrong.

[south kayak]

Roar cap doesn't matter

OF is the only one

[thick fossil]

It was all done at the same time.

[trail thunder]

since i havent played fury much and its looking to be the play for dps next tier, generally rotation wise, assuming im doing it correctly, should there ever really be a point where both charges of raging blow are off gcd?

[thick fossil]

For raid or m+?

[trail thunder]

or to simply as a heuristic for me, assuming i dont waste rage and i dont fall out of enrage, should i always dump my furious blows before i press rampage

[trail thunder]

lets say raid

[thick fossil]

Thane you'll still hit RB a lot, and Slayer there are times you spam RB until you can't press it anymore.

Usually after bladestorm.

[trail thunder]

i mostly played arms and on arms im not dumping my overpowers because mortal strike is primarily gated by its cooldown, not rage costs, and i want to press as many mortal strikes as possible

[south kayak]

Thane you'll only press RB if you can't press BT/Rampage or Thunder Blast

[trail thunder]

but for fury it seems that as long as im not wasting enrage uptime or rage, there seems to be no real downside to delaying rampage for a global?

[south kayak]

That is true

[thick fossil]

Yeah

[cyan dove]

any blacksmiths online to craft charged claymore please? magtheridon

[dense elbow]

Cause there is none

[trail thunder]

ok, ty, that works for me

[thick fossil]

Even if you drop enrage for a global it's fine as well. If it caps you on slaughter strikes.

Hence why we hate RB so much.

[trail thunder]

on a similar note its very a-typical design wise for blizzward to let BT and RB exist side by side like that considering they basically fulfill the same "role" in the rotation but there are behind the scenes breakpoints that dictate which is the better one to press

its like arms had overpower2 randomly

[south kayak]

that's not the same thing

In an idea world, you want to press BT on Cd and raging blow is the last filler

but we don't live in an ideal world

lol

[trail thunder]

yeah, the tuning seems weird

[south kayak]

It's actually perfect as Thane on the PTR

the priority

aside from Execute

[trail thunder]

also the secondary function of BT putting you in enrage potentially seems a little anchronistic considering im generating so much rage as either hero talent that im essentially chilling in enrage from rampage permanently. Though, i didnt play warrior in season 1 so maybe thats a gear thing

[thick fossil]

The tuning puts too much power on RB. So slayer rarely hits it. Only for certain stipulations.

[south kayak]

Yeah this all made sense when the rage generation wasn't as much

in BfA your rage gen was way lower

and your enrage wasn't 99% uptime

[dense elbow]

It is just something that remains from the old times

[south kayak]

it was like 80% or something

But they decided to make all that cosmetic lol

[thick fossil]

Acceptable use to be around 70-80, these days it's 90-100.

[dense elbow]

Imagine if we had to pray for RNG enrage uptime, yikes

[trail thunder]

yeah this seems like a rotational vestige that was never cleaned up because it wasnt high enough on the priority list

[thick fossil]

No thanks.

[south kayak]

Yeah I think I prefer this enrage but not this rage generation

the rage gen is crazy

They should reduce the amount of rage gen reck gives but make it give a damage buff

[trail thunder]

generally like how thane plays tho, rotation makes more sense and thunderclap being rotational naturally makes the cleaving a little bit less annoying. Not that its actually annoying its just a little bit of busywork thats just annoying enough that i notice the positive effect of it being "gone"

[south kayak]

I think we'd be fine if reck gave no rage gen but instead a damage buff

[thick fossil]

You mean how recklessness use to be?

[trail thunder]

in 8.3 i played the full haste corruption pillar of ice resetting super spammy FDK build that was just constant damage, this feels really similar

[south kayak]

Yeah, fury is very consistent, flat damage

it's not bursty

[trail thunder]

im still in mage prison for the rest of this tier because im doing 4rth bomb so i havent had much raiding time on fury yet but i wonder of the rotation is so spammy that it gets kinda tiring over a 3h raid night

[thick fossil]

You'll be very disappointed with the numbers compared to current fdk

[red berry]

id love reck to be a little more impactful

[trail thunder]

dk is my favorite class theoretically, but like, good luck getting a dk spot, if such a thing even exists. warrior is also very fun tho, i like the movement speed and if i close my eyes i can pretend that i can cheese almost as much stuff with spell reflect as i could with ams

[thick fossil]

Not really, but it's close.

[trail thunder]

victory rush is a bit like a scuffed deathstrike, charging mid-air from a knockback is nearly as good as not getting knocked back in the firstplace, and heroic leap is a good button that is very fun to press. also warrior is sleeper good for what id like to call "actual mythic plus the way people should be running it to time their keys any keylevel more than 3 below the current max"

which is, nonstop pulling mid-sized not dangerous pulls and zug-zug cleave-train-ing them instead of setting up elaborate bigpulls with uncapped classes

[thick fossil]

Good luck finding a pug tank that can do that.

[trail thunder]

btw, since ive had that discussion with friends about mage vs warlock recently. is the difference between fury/arms really mostly just tuning or do they have meaningfully different damage profiles where one might take the edge over the other on a per-fight basis

[south kayak]

I'd rather Blizzard slow down the m+

So we don't pull 20+ mobs

2 or 3 packs max

[trail thunder]

careful what you wish for i know what that looks like and its not fun

[south kayak]

and if you pull more, the game kills your characters