fury

[storm rune]

thats crazy talk

[modest condor]

i dont know how to play healer

[smoky vale]

me iether

🙂

[flat river]

make clap apply CSHB

[modest condor]

good idea

[neon ice]

For gallywix Mythic the trinket Mr lock N stalk we use it in the singletarget mode or aoe?

[gilded pawn]

st

[flat river]

i always have good ideas

[young swan]

@sullen dove gio is stalking egirls on twitter in vc

[sullen dove]

shocker

[junior gale]

fiveseven

[flat river]

no im not

wait

wrong account

[red berry]

this tierset has made me fall in love with mountain thane again

even if they nerf it a little bit the proc is fun

[heavy galleon]

Make exec can be used we want !

[red berry]

i think the interaction has just made it feel so good man

[flat river]

real

[red berry]

numbers withstanding

[flat river]

DELETE THAT

THEY WILL NERF US

BECAUSE WE BEAT BM AND FROST

DELETE IT NOWWWW

[heavy galleon]

OMG

[red berry]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-eating-camera-gif-26348428

[heavy galleon]

DELETE FAST

[red berry]

sandbag sandbag sandbag sandbag

[flat river]

if we get nerfed, everyone will know why

[red berry]

fruity ahhhh dog

[flat river]

HE'S WORKING FOR THE HUNTERS/DKS

HE'S PROVING THAT WE'RE "STRONGER" SO WE GET NERFED

[red berry]

i am a part of the hunter death knight mafia

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-mods-crush-his-skull-gif-454857235539207420

[drowsy heron]

damn, might be looking better than we thought going into S3?

[light hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[indigo arch]

I fking wish

[light hedge]

Sounds so stupid but i doubt fury will get proper dots again.
Seems like WoW Devs literally think alike SW:TOR Devs, where there can only be one DoT Specc per Class q:^) And Arms already has all the bleeds and ooga booga smash hero talent

[quartz rampart]

Did you post new new sims after changes? @edgy widget

[light hedge]

hence why bloodborne as a fury talent note is more or less useless and confusing at best since no rend or deep

[proven stream]

why would u want fury to have dots 🤮

[light hedge]

yes just thinking about the bloodborne node, hence random shower thought came out

[light hedge]

and saw this earlier.

having a full talent tree node for a single procc on a single ability if critting is a bit wild

like doubliund down on a weird interaction

[olive wraith]

Ionizing strike being 7%is pretty good

[flat river]

meanwhile arms and prot get rend

an ability that u use to apply bleed

and with TC you get it to apply to up to 5 targets

guarenteed

[light hedge]

Yes, i mean we would need to go OF + TR + RA to have similar amount of bleeds compared to Arms and Prot

But thank god we have a node that increases bleed damage by 20%

[hushed gust]

i do want OF to get another buff so it's viable in dungeons, NGL.

[light hedge]

make OF apply CS and its instantly better for FurY

And remove the downscaling damage crap, its a button we can press once a pull not every 3 seconds

[sour frigate]

[light hedge]

Might rework this for it

[edgy widget]

That’s called Siegebreaker, and it’s quite unlikely to come back

[edgy widget]

It’s viable rn tbf, it’s not particularly strong, but it’s certainly viable

[hushed gust]

Speaking entirely out of bias for the spell, I do wish to see a buff to it still.

[edgy widget]

no argument here

[unreal onyx]

Argument is: it's not good enough for my liking

[night void]

I rather see some of huge humongous agility buff to do impact dmg like ramp buff or so than another bleed atempt
We all Are allready bleeding with arms.....my nerves are bleeding with blizzard

[sullen dove]

true

[unreal onyx]

Cshb fuck good tho

[edgy widget]

The bleed aspect is a holdover from its Legion version - it was fire damage with a follow-on DoT, so it was changed to a bleed when they converted the ability to physical damage

and current tuning notwithstanding, the benefit of making it a two-stage attack that takes a few seconds to deal all of its damage is that it can generally be a little stronger without creating quite as many burst issues - even Bladestorm doesn't deal all of its damage instantaneously

[molten wing]

really wish Odyn's Fury had a follow up talent similar to this

[light hedge]

The "Heals you for x" part also feels so off and outdated for a last row node

[molten wing]

yeah i just wish there was something that modifies it or plays around the "press" Odyns Fury

[edgy widget]

Well the main draw was the power amp, you couldn't depend on the rage or heal since it was random between them

but flavor (and power level) aside, it kind of does - Titanic Rage is functionally the same thing, making the ability stronger and giving it a minor secondary effect

[night void]

Archi, I know the timeline of the changes, what I’m saying is that all our attacks are just relatively weak. Sure, they’re fast, but still weak (except maybe Bloodthirst during execute).
I honestly wouldn’t mind having Onslaught back in the rotation, but only if it actually hits hard.
Same goes for Rampage, Blizzard has to buff it. It makes no sense for a spender to deal such low damage. I’ve been saying this for years."

[light hedge]

Just make Onslaught replace Slam and have a decent value

like applying CS

[edgy widget]

Rampage is Fury's second strongest damage per GCD, behind Slayer buffed Executes

[light hedge]

and yet with the gameplay loop it doesnt really feel like a builder spender, more like a forced to spend specc

[edgy widget]

I'm not sure of the distinction, you should be incentivized to spend in order to avoid capping

[light hedge]

Could make execute into a big ST spender

Yes but if you in CDs

[edgy widget]

I don't think two spenders would work very well, best case would be something like Legion Massacre

[light hedge]

you basically RB > spend >RB >spend >rb > spend

[edgy widget]

During high rage periods (Ravager + Reck) sure

but if you're pressing the ability so much, then it's clearly worth using, which kind of undermines your argument that it needs to be stronger

[light hedge]

Would it be worth using if it wasnt the only spender we had?

Could have BS a sSpender as well with more damage based on rage spent or something

[edgy widget]

depends on what that other spender is and how it fit in, but largely yes, since Enrage is still an important buff to maintain

[light hedge]

Agree but its not like you are struggling to maintain it unless there is nothing to hit

[edgy widget]

and again, Rampage is still Fury's second strongest damage per GCD, so it's beating most abilities (in no small part due to all the supplementary buffs contributing to its damage)

[edgy widget]

Currently yes, but in your hypothetical scenario of having a competing spender we can presume that would not be true

[smoky vale]

@dense elbow blow

[light hedge]

Yes but having a rotation between rampage to maintain and spend next stack on nuke spender and then rampage to maintain also interesting loop idea

[edgy widget]

That's pretty much what I just said lmao - if we had a second spender, it's likely you'd still press Rampage in order to maintain Enrage

[light hedge]

Yes just agreeing

[edgy widget]

but I don't see Blizzard adding a second spender regardless

[oblique thistle]

I dont think people here even want a second spender anyways

[last lichen]

could be a nice way to raise skill cap if the choice is meaningful

[light hedge]

but having less to think about in keys rotationally than BM hunter kinda hurts my iq as well

[last nacelle]

Remove the "heal you" part and replace it with titanic rage effect can be cool

[edgy widget]

and tbh you already get the same basic gameplay by playing RA, at least during Reck

[indigo arch]

Rip old RA

[molten wing]

i dont think we are ever going back to the days of anything else being a spender (Execute etc) other than Rampage

[edgy widget]

not by way of spenders, but aside from how your rage bar moves, the rotation is pretty similar to what you're suggesting - temporarily de-emphasizing Rampage outside of maintaining Enrage in order to prioritize a stronger attack (CB)

[indigo arch]

Odyn becoming an aoe spender would be neat

[oblique thistle]

then we would just be ret with two swords

[indigo arch]

(And likely return fury to offtanking)

[light hedge]

and not pink

[indigo arch]

We would need far more utility to be ret

[light hedge]

Sshhhh let us dream

[oblique thistle]

Not talking about utility, just rotation

[light hedge]

Well our utility once was hitting stuff really hard

[indigo arch]

Odyn being worth the global at this point would be neat

Any format

[edgy widget]

well it is right now, but that's besides the point

[young swan]

roar on the other hand..

[indigo arch]

I hate how little impact it feels roar has

[edgy widget]

Anyway, I'm not saying there aren't ways to make a second spender interesting, I just don't see it happening

• it muddles the priority
• it requires very fine tuning to make sure you actually want to use both instead of one just beating the other outright
• it would also probably require some specialized talents (aka more changes) to play smoothly - see Legion Massacre
• it kind of blurs the current dichotomy between Arms vs Fury, in which Fury is (almost) all builders and Arms is (almost) all spenders

[sullen dove]

powerful ability

i mean 5% for 1 button press cant be that bad surely

[indigo arch]

"Oh roar is up I guess" type excitement

[sullen dove]

people glaze rend the same way

large dpe not many e

surely capstone talent the same cluegi

[molten wing]

Playing all the classic expansions from BC up until MoP now , and i just cant get back to playing Fury pre Legion

Fury just feels good when its build rage , send rampage

[last lichen]

interesting final bullet point

[molten wing]

and the spice in between that

[indigo arch]

Rip mop arms

Good night sweet prince

[edgy widget]

it's probably not a huge point for most players, but they tend to design things like this on purpose - making two specs feel different is important to create contrast and give players varied gameplay options

not really much point in having two spec options if they both work the same way

[radiant coyote]

Hear me out, make roar work like old breath of sindragosa but it spends rage.

[indigo arch]

Oh lord almighty keep breath from fury

[edgy widget]

Roar's issue is just that it's been power crept, though it was always kind of on the back foot for Fury due to less emphasis on bleeds

[indigo arch]

I go arms for good

[light hedge]

Roar feels like such an awkward ability to me

Like

Im screaming at you now your ears bleed

wow mighty warrior

[oblique thistle]

I've never felt that way with roar

[edgy widget]

Well, it is kind of a stupidly themed ability, with that I agree lol

I've been saying that since MoP lol

[light hedge]

Just make it off GCD

and its perfectly fine

[edgy widget]

eh, they don't really like direct damage off GCD; sets a bad precedent

While personally, I'd rather replace Roar with something a little more thematic, I think the real issue for Roar is just that it's been power crept to the point where it doesn't feel impactful anymore

• there is strong synergy between the combination of OF, Words, and Uproar, but that also hinges on actually using all three talents together
• if RA-Bloodbath were worth a damn, that might also lend more importance to using Roar
• or if they added an actual Legion-like Bloodbath talent somewhere

Arms also has the issue of power creep making Roar feel underwhelming, but at least its bonus bleed damage from Words has measurable benefit

That said, Roar was also clearly designed more in mind for Arms, while Spear fit better for Fury; we just got to the point where tuning didn't support the distinction anymore

[light hedge]

Roar makes so much sense for prot as well, thematically as well

compared to for the ooga booga clown with 2 sticks running at you

[indigo arch]

old version of roar felt more furyish

when it was just a giant fuckyou 100% crit ability

[light hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/big-aj-big-justice-boom-costco-guys-gif-13543695932005238540

literal imagination i have

of fury warrior using roar

[indigo arch]

give fury the diablo 3 boulder toss

me throw big rock

ungh

[light hedge]

we lucky its reduced damage above 5 targets

otherwise we would need to show interest

[edgy widget]

maybe at the time, but I think at this point raw damage is kind of boring

[light hedge]

then again, why are we capped at 5 anyway and not at 8 like others.

[indigo arch]

because muh class fantasy

really should hop on ptr to see where this hope is coming from

[light hedge]

Yes can only cut 5 people when cosplaying a beyblade my bad

[edgy widget]

and fwiw, even at the time, Roar was super mediocre damage - here's an example from Ion Juggernaut

[indigo arch]

and to see if fury really is hitting the niche of blasting 5

warriors in execute range in mop, god that was glorious

[oblique thistle]

that's not where the hope is coming from
the hope is coming from

[edgy widget]

and not much different on a heavier AoE fight like Garrosh

[indigo arch]

middle pack and then here comes 20% and brown bar rises MASSIVELY

[light hedge]

3 talent nodes for 2% class fantarsy

[edgy widget]

Well Fury rarely uses all 3 talent nodes

[indigo arch]

At this point i'll take what I can get, I miss fury

[edgy widget]

so it's more like 1 talent for 2%

[last lichen]

somehow raising skill cap, like cast a CD(could be roar) after spending X rage, say 500 for example. would be cool imo

[edgy widget]

maybe in a game like Diablo, but in WoW that would quickly become toxic af

especially given their desire to move away from reliance on weakaura tracking

[light hedge]

We already have that on Prot,

But i doubt more than 10-15% of the playerbase actually thinks about it

[indigo arch]

miss dot snapshotting too

[light hedge]

Soo Feral remembers

[edgy widget]

yeah zero percent chance that's coming back

[indigo arch]

smoking people on garrosh because of reapplying rend when shadopan poweraura went off

[light hedge]

DoT Specs have been lackluster ever since

[indigo arch]

or cheesing prot parses via vengeance stacks in cata by solotanking halfus

[edgy widget]

smoking who now? 🙃

[indigo arch]

Talking in raid, doubt the stinky guild I was helping back then ran many logs

[light hedge]

peepee comparing from lord of the ring intro fight age

[indigo arch]

was arms then

[edgy widget]

I'm just teasing

[light hedge]

strong

[edgy widget]

and flexing

back when I was a tryhard

[indigo arch]

was weird times

[light hedge]

better* times you mean

[indigo arch]

I still remember that goofy dress and outfit from I forget which warrior when snapshotting mastery for ultraxion

[edgy widget]

eh

[indigo arch]

landsoul or idk who

lmao

[edgy widget]

hey I know that guy

[indigo arch]

p sure was him, I just remember a very saucy dress in that gearset

[edgy widget]

I don't remember that, but

[indigo arch]

they should reactivate aberrus tier set, that would save odyn

fury buffed

hire me blizz

[edgy widget]

anwyay yeah, complicated tech is fun for power users who spend so much time pressing the same buttons day in and out

but it's really not conductive for newer or more casual players, especially with the already high reliance on WAs that Blizzard is trying to move away from

[oblique thistle]

Unpopular opinion but S3 DF tier owned

[light hedge]

im just wishing its not another season where i have to specc prot to not wait 2 years on queue for keys i outgeared weeks ago

[indigo arch]

I miss how s3 fury played

big unga bunga burst

was wild in pvp too

full send

[light hedge]

Yes

[oblique thistle]

It still felt pretty spammy but I liked having OF feel like a properly impactful ability

[light hedge]

go in fuck shit up and leave

class fantasy 10/10 fulfilled

[oblique thistle]

and the CDR on it was cool too

[edgy widget]

"I want more complicated skill expression"
directly followed by
"I wanna go back to pressing one macro to top meters"
is a really interesting progression lol

[indigo arch]

ayy lmao

[young swan]

u already have bloodcraze thats good enough

[light hedge]

i mean it does not direclty correlate

pressing a button and doing 15 mill burst into mid pack dps into cds for unga bunga

[indigo arch]

Oh I could give a rat's ass about how hard bt hits, I just want odyn to be chunky again

[light hedge]

seems fine to me as well

[young swan]

ur thinking of amirdrassil

abberus was am/uf/onslaught booger aids

[light hedge]

we all just dont want to be looked at weird no more

[oblique thistle]

I'll be honest I'm so sick of ravager

[light hedge]

same issue as any other somewhat stationary ability

[fierce tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-mods-crush-his-skull-gif-454857235539207420

[radiant plank]

Why are people batchesting over odyns

[radiant plank]

Amidrassil vs fury 1 button macro parsing rank2 on volcross

[sudden tusk]

:tblast:

[oblique thistle]

Its not even that its more of when I press the button it takes a second before it actually feels like its doing anything whereas everything else I press is very immediately responsive

I mean ravager once its down and gets going feels good due to the rage gen

but pressing it feels hollow at the same time

its very strange

[light hedge]

the rage gen is pretty much the only thing that feels nice

[young swan]

okay ur cooking actually

[light hedge]

could just swap with bloodrush fromclassic

or however it was called

[young swan]

i hate spending a gcd on ravager but once its going its epic

[oblique thistle]

I think that's the reason people really want OF back

[light hedge]

Ravager now the big brother of Roar

[oblique thistle]

When you press that shit you feel like you're blasting

its immediate, BOOM you're going

[fierce tusk]

atleast you can keep pressing buttons when you cast it (bladestorm my beloved)

[radiant plank]

Kassadin pfp with that tag is wild

[fierce tusk]

guild tag 🤷

[indigo arch]

was kinda hoping slayer had a chance of being better for m+, bladestorm over ravager any day, pve or pvp

[sudden tusk]

i think

you should get that guild name changed dog

ngl

[indigo arch]

damage centered on the player, cc immune etc

[fierce tusk]

no can do dawg

[edgy widget]

was fun in Season 1, but I also think it makes sense for Thane to be generally better in M+ given how dominant Slayer is in raid - certainly you could retune things, but Slayer's kit is just really well suited for the kind of short bursty waves of adds that are prevalent in raid content

[indigo arch]

Yea no shot they just let slayer be every form of content

[edgy widget]

I think Thane is actually a lot of fun though

the ideal is just that they manage to bring everything closer in line so that you don't feel like you're losing so much by swapping

[fierce tusk]

thane is really fun

[indigo arch]

I'd love to see glyphs to change thunderblast colors

red lightning would be sick

[light hedge]

visually thane is fun

[oblique thistle]

Thane is fun for sure I just wish I had something more responsive than ravager lol

[edgy widget]

I really don't know why they don't use glyphs more, feels like such an easy avenue for customization

[indigo arch]

especially with the legion fury pvp artifact skin, the red one

[light hedge]

but all you do now is clap your ass cheeks and make it rain thunder

[oblique thistle]

tblast is fun to press tho

[fierce tusk]

seems good to me

[light hedge]

But its not like you have an active ability

outside of tclap

with mt

[indigo arch]

love how thunderblast hits a postal code away when talented into range

[oblique thistle]

you dont need one

[edgy widget]

I think there's a very strong chance that we see Ravager replaced with Whirling Blade next expansion

[indigo arch]

it's so goofy on stix

[fierce tusk]

atleast tclap feels like a good button to press

unlike whirlwind

[edgy widget]

That's kinda the whole point

[oblique thistle]

That might be kinda sick actually

[light hedge]

couldve made it whirling thunder and have it create lighning circle effect

[fierce tusk]

its the only reason i asked my raid lead to let me talent fully into st so i don't have to press it ever

[light hedge]

makes 0 differnce except for 1 slot on bar to fill

[edgy widget]

I actually suggested that they just make Ravager passive; make it drop automatically whenever you press Avatar or somethin

[oblique thistle]

You dont need an extra button for a hero talent to be interesting

[light hedge]

yeah that wont work

[edgy widget]

but whirling blade also feels like a natural progression

[last lichen]

isnt executing 5 mobs cool tho, when only one is executable. If execute was good

[light hedge]

imagine you procc avatar into avatar into procc avatar

and basically have 3 ravagers in 30 seconds

[oblique thistle]

diabolist for warlock fucking owns and all it does is turn your pre-existing abilities into new ones with bonus effects

[light hedge]

combat rogue max buff would like a talk

[edgy widget]

Well like most things, it wouldn't trigger on proc, only when you hard cast it

[fierce tusk]

i prefer using bloodthirst

[radiant plank]

Prots already got a passive ravager so surely they can do so for dps specs too

[edgy widget]

basically just removing the extra keypress, since the amount of steps you have to go through to "start" your cooldown rotation is a sore spot atm

[light hedge]

Hence why insteead of tclap they couldve made it Whrlwind with Lightning effects

[edgy widget]

Yeah that's the ability I was talking about - Whirlwing Blades

[light hedge]

Couldve even made it like old SMourne explosion creating lightning bulbs flying at the target

[radiant plank]

ohh I didnt recognize the name

[edgy widget]

the only difference is that Whirling is a random proc, while tying Ravager to a cooldown like Reck or Avatar would be more controlled

but either way, you could make it work

[radiant plank]

Would fit with reck seeing how they are both currently just macrod together regardless

[edgy widget]

For Fury yeah, lil less so for Arms

[radiant plank]

And something like baking sks into CS for arms

[edgy widget]

I guess you could tie a shorter Ravager to CS, but idk

anyway, it's just brainstorming though

[red berry]

whats whirling blade do again

[radiant plank]

Unhinged carries ravager too hard for arms so depending on the power of that ravager is goodbad

[edgy widget]

its a random passive proc that drops a short duration Ravager

[edgy widget]

Yeah that's another concern, but I think in this scenario we would probably see Unhinged just removed

Since Unhinged's main purpose is enhancing the value of the ability - making Ravager worth pressing - but if you tie the ability to another ability, you've already accomplished that

[radiant plank]

I think unhingeds cool but

its also problematic with how strong it is

especially for arms

[edgy widget]

I do too, I just think they need to take some of the power out of it and put it into BS/Rav, at least for Arms

but that's an ancillary point anyway; the focal problem lately is the amount of steps in the cooldown rotation, which Ravager contributes to

[radiant plank]

its a difficult task to tune it properly because the moment it becomes too weak, colossus would stop taking ravager at all in ST

and in m+ you would only be pathing through it for mbg

And we already reached a point in this expansion where it was almost better to not grab bladestorm at all for slayer even with unhinged talented

[edgy widget]

Well, having BS and Ravager together was always going to cause problems; frankly they should have just picked one and stuck with it

I honestly don't think really Ravager needs to exist at all

[indigo arch]

it's not fun to press

[radiant plank]

Sticking with BS only would be the play probably, make it a ST filler for colossus during low rage moments but a monster in AOE and let Slayer make BS a monster spell in ST too

[edgy widget]

I mean I think its a fine ability and I actually like the idea of it being more of a supplementary
ability through Rage generation

but I just think things would be a lot cleaner if we had Bladestorm for Slayer, and sprinkled in some other talents for Colossus/Thane to choose from

[radiant plank]

basically how it was in SL right?

[edgy widget]

with some better competing options I hope 😛

that said, if they do wanna keep Ravager, I think the best way to do it would be to make it passive in some form, whether that's Whirling Blades or tying it to automatically activate alongside another cooldown

[oblique thistle]

They've been doing similar things with other abilities like wings on wake of ashes and now remorseless winter on pillar, I dont see why they couldn't do that with this and one of our cds

[edgy widget]

It'd be pretty easy for Fury, just Arms would require some finagling

[radiant plank]

They cant do cool shit for warriors you know how it is

[oblique thistle]

[fierce tusk]

give more gamba and make ravager maybe activate after using rage spenders

leTroll

[edgy widget]

as we were saying earlier,

• tying Ravager to Reck is pretty natural, since they both get used together anyway
• tying Ravager to CS is awkward, because it's such a short CD (though I don't hate the idea of spiking rage gen during CS!)
  Honestly, I think the better idea would actually be to tie Ravager to Avatar instead (retuned to account for using it every 1.5m instead of ~40s), but it might be a little weird to make a spec talent dependent on a class talent

[oblique thistle]

the random proc does raise a bit of a concern though -- they already had to heavily nerf unbridled ferocity to lessen the power of AM, if passive rav was a thing couldn't that create a similar concern where if the two were paired together you could get some insane amount of AM value?
I guess you'd have to make the proc rate super low but then it just would be a dead option in favor of tying it to something else

[edgy widget]

I mean that could all be tuned in various ways

[radiant plank]

Only if blizzard had previous data from how tying rage gen to CS worked out for arms rage economy /s

[edgy widget]

as long as you're getting about the same amount of rage per minute as you do using it manually, I don't think it makes much of a difference

[oblique thistle]

Fair

[edgy widget]

e.g. the random drop wouldn't be a full duration ravager

to that point, Prot's Whirling Blades is incredibly overtuned atm lol, it's like twice the value of normal Ravager

[fierce tusk]

4th of the duration prob

[radiant plank]

I think tying ravager to avatar wouldnt fit fury, due to AM many players are more comfortable playing the 45s cd windows

[oblique thistle]

But even with it being overtuned wouldn't you still want to have control over when you can use it?

[edgy widget]

but yeah, if you make it proc a 4s Ravager, then you make it ~3ppm, which is roughly the same as manually using a 12s Ravager once a minute (not counting things like Reck/Rav alignment) - but you could also just change the amount of rage per tick it gives too

[oblique thistle]

I played prot this season so that's how I viewed it

[radiant plank]

If they did some core gameplay changes around Arms AM and CS and then tied ravager to cs, it could work

[edgy widget]

for a DPS maybe, but not quite as important for a tank

keep in mind though, in this hypothetical DPS also still have Bladestorm for that controlled timing when needed

[oblique thistle]

Well considering our active mitigation is tied to whether or not we have rage to spend, I'd say its arguably just as important if not more so that the tank have control over when they get that injection of additional rage

[edgy widget]

eh, well now we're talking about tanks again not DPS, which is a whole other conversation for a different channel
in terms of numbers though, the point still stands that Whirlwing Blades is tuned way stronger than Ravager is atm

[oblique thistle]

valid

[compact knot]

ignore pain has lost so much power in this expansion

[oblique thistle]

fury chat talking about other specs again

[fierce tusk]

fury so it talks about arms and prot

[compact knot]

the active mitigation is tied to rage spent, but your active mitigation is only 10% of your total mitigation (not including shield block)

ignore pain just feels fake ngl xdd

[oblique thistle]

you know what else feels fake

fury prio damage

🙂

[compact knot]

i guess the heal from bleeds got nerfed though

[fierce tusk]

warrior feels fake but then you have 200x the dopamine playing it

so idk

[oblique thistle]

I am heavily considering returning to fury next season but the M+ performace was looking quite grim

now its looking less grim? But I want to see what further tuning brings

[fierce tusk]

the only thing i play is fury

so i don't really check how grim it is compared to arms

[oblique thistle]

I dont want to play arms

if I play my warrior and its not fury its going to be prot

and I dont even like to tank lol

[compact knot]

i one tricked fury for 4 years (no other classes, no other warrior specs), then switched over to arms this tier and have had hella fun

you just have to commit

[oblique thistle]

I tried it

the rotation feels like a mess to me

idk

I couldn't get into it

[fierce tusk]

if i played anything else it would be huntard (shame on me) or shammy

but cba

i hate leveling as it is

[compact knot]

hunter is good

MM is just ranged fury

[fierce tusk]

not leveling 2 other characters

[light hedge]

its literally the sweeping strikes gcd after charge that completly kills it for me ngl

[oblique thistle]

real

[compact knot]

they changed that for some reason in raid

where it would get reset on boss pull

like after the .5 patch and i still dont know why

[edgy widget]

to avoid some exploity behavior

[oblique thistle]

talking about how rav feels kinda empty to press, doesn't even compare to how bad sweeping strikes feels

[edgy widget]

it's annoying but not really the end of the world

[compact knot]

oh?

[edgy widget]

they do need to take it back off the GCD though

[fierce tusk]

take everything off gcd macro everything into rampage

[light hedge]

this is so true.

[compact knot]

sweeping executes onto bosses off mobs like mugzee rocketeers and the coin droppers on bandit is actually peak though

[light hedge]

Servers Crashing again

[compact knot]

you feel your dps go up hella when you sweep execute

[light hedge]

i wonder if this is because you hit 3 instead of 1 target

q:^)

[last lichen]

too bad execute for fury is just a CD reduction button

[edgy widget]

Sweeping Strikes is hard to make feel immediately impactful without turning it into an ability you also press on single target - the only good way to do it is by giving it a resource cost (exactly what they did for early Bladeflurry)

Taking it off the GCD is the better way to fix it - it still may not feel immediately impactful, but it's not taking up any action time either

[light hedge]

Rage gen Baby

[edgy widget]

wait till you see it next in Season 3

[proven stream]

if sweeping strikes stays on gcd they should make it do something on use like what they did to bladeflurry

[fierce tusk]

life bad when you can't do rage gen > ramp

[compact knot]

there are 3 paths they can do with sweep

leave it as is

make it the mop version (without the rage cost)

or what you said where it does something on use

[light hedge]

They could also just accept that DPS Utility Buttons are not supposed to be on the GCD

[edgy widget]

as long as you're fine giving it a resource cost

[compact knot]

i like the mop version of sweep though, very fun

[edgy widget]

MoP version is the original version, just a little refined and with basically 100% uptime

[compact knot]

well i mean like

you get 100% uptime on sweep

but you have to use a gcd

[edgy widget]

and rage

[compact knot]

though in mop its off gcd i think

[edgy widget]

it is off the GCD yeah

[compact knot]

it would essentially work the exact same way as whirlwind

[lilac kettle]

this is why i love subtlety rogue :d literally half the buttons are off gcd

[light hedge]

imagine how the spec played if it wasnt

[edgy widget]

I mean it's really not that complicated, just take Sweep back off the GCD - no other change is needed

[fierce tusk]

that would mean blizzard doing something nice for warrior

[compact knot]

100% sweep uptime would crank though

[edgy widget]

the only reason it went on the GCD in the first place was because all CDs got put on-GCD during BfA

But people fucking hated it, so they reverted it... except they just didn't bother taking Sweep back off for no apparent reason

Sadly though, it's kind of a perfect case study in Blizzard half-assing things

• Putting all CDs on the GCD would have been fine if they bothered to give them a direct effect - e.g. make Recklessness throw out an instant free Rampage, and nobody would care that you're spending a GCD on it. They did this for like half of them and then just... never finished
• Taking CDs back off the GCD is also fine, but they just didn't bother to take everything back off

[light hedge]

i mean even BM CotW does it

[plush maple]

Sweeping strikes on GCD sounds like aids

5-7 years to fix it now since BFA?

[south kayak]

That’s also the case with target caps, isn’t it?

[high sedge]

Hi there, new to fury, i've been looking at logs of M+ keys and they seem to be pressing bloodthirst on cd rather than waiting to have crit stacked up for it, should i be looking at sending it on cd or follow the wowhead guide advice of 85%~ crit?

[warm crag]

Iirc its barely a dps loss to bt>rb at 2-5 targets and a gain to press it at 6+ (numbers might be wrong)

[light hedge]

Did you check usage prior to execute part?

[warm crag]

It just simplifies the rotation a lot at cost of not a lot of dammy

[burnt oxide]

Thane also procs thunderblast with bt

[high sedge]

yeah it was during cds on openers

[high sedge]

i see thanks

[light hedge]

would u actually just always rb > bt with set bonus though outside of 35%?

and bt only with DD procc?

[warm crag]

You just follow the rotation

If a proc is worth playing around it will be listed in the priority

[light hedge]

that statement in itself says alot about fury currently 🫡

[warm crag]

Idk not really every spec can be boiled down to that

[light hedge]

Yes but not every spec is 1 button > spender > 1 button > spender during cds and 2 buttons > spender outside of cds

[red sentinel]

this assumes Rampage has top priority

[light hedge]

When would you ever decide to overcap for free

[red sentinel]

are you overcapping in 2 globals?

[light hedge]

in cds? with ravager running?

can happen yes

[red sentinel]

outside
2 buttons > spender outside of cds

[light hedge]

Outside? not so much no, youd have like 40 rage to avoid capping

Outside Cds its more liekly to loose enrage when holding too long

which wouldnt be beneficial aswell

[red sentinel]

I'm not asking

[light hedge]

right?

[pallid hull]

Peak rank at league?

[high sedge]

was diamond in s8

[pallid hull]

Cool

I have addon on the bloodthirst stacks

[high sedge]

i do have a WA for that but i was wondering after searching in logs, turns out its not that important as im too new for it to matter rn

[remote bobcat]

the weakaura doesnt tell you when to BT in all situations, it tells you when to BT in ST situations

Ok

[high sedge]

my WA only tracks crit% on BT and resets

its the pack from atrocity if you know

[remote bobcat]

yea you are one of those people

i mean

yea the >80% crit bt condition exists for ST situations mate

its diff in aoe

[high sedge]

how so?

[remote bobcat]

actions.slayer+=/bloodthirst,if=(target.health.pct<35&talent.vicious_contempt&buff.bloodcraze.stack>=2)|active_enemies>2

for slayer

actions.thane+=/bloodthirst,if=talent.vicious_contempt&target.health.pct<35&buff.bloodcraze.stack>=2|!buff.ravager.up&buff.bloodcraze.stack>=3|active_enemies>=6

for thane

[high sedge]

so you press it if the mob is below 35 or 6targets+ in aoe as thane?

[remote bobcat]

yea

in s2

i believe u will spam that shit on cd in s3

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/thewarwithin/profiles/TWW2/TWW2_Warrior_Fury.simc

[high sedge]

makes sense, and i'd guess less than 6 targets is 85%crit+ as stated in the guide

[remote bobcat]

read it yourself

if u want

[remote bobcat]

yep

[high sedge]

yeah i'll do that thanks

[vernal laurel]

Sending it on CD on the PTR atm, its really feels like that is the play. So many Thunder Blasts

Even in ST, as the TB procs slap on ST as well

[karmic whale]

is there a PTR mountain talent build?

[south kayak]

The same one we use on live

[marble brook]

does someone have a mythic mugzee build with 35% execute talent in?

[sudden tusk]

for fury?

[warm crag]

Why would you want that

[sudden tusk]

its not worth taking for fury

BT is most of our actual execute

[marble brook]

oh okay

[turbid gate]

what is the best belt power for raid for fury?

[fading sky]

Crit

Weirdly enough

[turbid gate]

do warcraft logs include the belt power? cuz its shows warriors run charged bolts

[smoky vale]

depends how long logs are or just doesnt idk

[turbid gate]

logs from july

so after nerfs

[fading sky]

No

100% a big

Bug

[turbid gate]

ok thanks so critical chain for all content?

[fading sky]

Thats what archie says

Its in updates

[fallen ginkgo]

what in the hell is this dogsht

[fiery edge]

straight into the trash can

[opaque crag]

lolol

[tame silo]

Easiest remnant of darkness choice of your life you mean, you can never have enough of them!

[flat river]

lets fucking gooooooooooo

[coarse nest]

[clever belfry]

bro has not bought it yet ?

[thick fossil]

I got mine as a drop on our first Gally kill. Had already purchased BiS.

[flat river]

i killed gally last week

i was going to buy it but then i was like "hmm"

"what if i wait for vault first"

and i was right

[charred estuary]

I bought a jastor and got both locknstalk and house of cards in the same vault after

[thick fossil]

HoC was my second purchase.

The 3rd dinar I didn't know what to get though. I would of bought the Cauldron ring if it was in there. I ended up getting the bombsuit tank trinket.

[sick pagoda]

We back? Or moved from D to C?

[eternal sundial]

CD now

[young swan]

like b-ish

u can highroll your way into A with good resets and crits

[chilly fractal]

Can I Nat 20 myself into S if I have a loaded die

[young swan]

yeah sure

[chilly fractal]

Hell yea

Thankfully I keep loaded dice on me

[eternal sundial]

CDs nuts noob

[dusk slate]

someone sanity check me

my fury warrior is bitching to me that they have shorter arms than me (havoc)

[limber oar]

No

Oh uh

Idk

[dusk slate]

Isn't melee range melee range

5 yards period

[midnight sierra]

Unless you have talents like outlaw (they did at some point haven’t played in years)

Enhance might too?

[dusk slate]

yeah i thought so

[young swan]

melee range is just melee range now yeah

[dusk slate]

yeah lmfao

[weary nacelle]

Ret pally can use the spells from outside the melee range, only the weapon does not hit, but all the spells don’t need melee range

[dusk slate]

Point is

they said their melee is 3 yards lmao

and are calling me a tard desptie being wrong

[south kayak]

I don't think Crusading Strikes is melee range

[dusk slate]

crusading is melee

[gilded pawn]

Anything that isn’t melee range would say so

Or like longer than melee

[south kayak]

It is but I think it's not the usual melee range of auto attacks

it's a little longer

[gilded pawn]

Ya

[storm rune]

So typical wow player attitude

[gilded pawn]

I think melee spells are a bit longer than melee

[storm rune]

WW had an 8y range doesn't it

[edgy widget]

Not really, target caps may not be enjoyable, but they are on purpose

[plush zephyr]

I thought that was just rouge with acrobatic or whatever

[dusk slate]

but yeah so just so i'm aware

if it says "melee range" it's 5y

period right?

[edgy widget]

Yes, that is typical melee range

[plush zephyr]

yes

[dusk slate]

so if i can hit this that dumbass should be able to hit and not rage at me

[edgy widget]

But I wouldn’t assume Blizz wording to always be exact either; consistency isn’t their strong suite lol

[dusk slate]

cause he said he can't hit gally in the melee soak sometimes

and i called him cooked

cause he is

[limber oar]

Which melee soak

Mythic gally?

[dusk slate]

yer

[edgy widget]

Well idk your positioning, but Gally has a pretty big hit box

[oblique trail]

Gally's hitbox is so massively large, that if you can't hit during it, it's a tank positioning issue

[dusk slate]

we're in the same soak

he said he couldn't hit

[limber oar]

If youre melee and cant hit gallywix you might have a mental deficiency

[dusk slate]

i was spamming annhiliation

so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[eternal sundial]

Noob movement then

[limber oar]

You can hit that boss from the next state over

[edgy widget]

This is why shadowplay exists

[dusk slate]

I cover the 2 ranged soaks at different parts of the fight

[plush zephyr]

just watch vod

[edgy widget]

So people can see what you’re talking about instead of making vague “must be dumb” arguments

[plush zephyr]

or start recording

[edgy widget]

Or even wcl recap

[dusk slate]

and often times I can hit from the back of the third so idk what this guy is on about but he's yelling at me, about "I shouldn't speak when i don't know"

when i play arms warrior as a second main

[limber oar]

Whatre the odds that he just assumed gallywix doesnt have an inflated hitbox and stops pressing his buttons when hes a bit away from the circle target circle under gallywix

[dusk slate]

no idea

[limber oar]

I swear i feel like thats it

[dusk slate]

it's our 5th reclear and idk if he's been on more than one

but he's also typically a uhh

[limber oar]

Just assumes he cant hit it so doesnt try

[dusk slate]

crayon eater warrior archetype

[limber oar]

Name drop him i gotta see this

[coarse nest]

Just don’t do the soak if tank can’t position boss

They’ll fix it quick

[dusk slate]

LMAO

[limber oar]

Avg

[dusk slate]

I just put him ignore so i could focus on parsing

[south kayak]

I meant the half ass, they capped targets then kind of walked back on them and didn't really uncap some

[coarse nest]

I do soak pool 1 and I can always hit the boss

[eternal sundial]

Warrior players rp being a warrior irl too much

Me bonk is so stupid

[brittle crow]

uncap tblast

[edgy widget]

I know what you meant

[brittle crow]

i rest my case

[gloomy loom]

How to use lock trinket? Do u spam active every time cd is up?

[oblique trail]

You use it until it's configured to single target, then never again

The on-use of it just switches between single target and AoE

[gloomy loom]

Ohhhh okey! Thank you

[clever belfry]

real kings swap it on cd

[oblique trail]

I think you are meow

[clever belfry]

:3

[gleaming siren]

the meowser

[quiet breach]

ur about me is peak

[oblique pond]

so what are going to be our crafting slots for next season? because cloak is taken, belt is taken and boots are also taken then you have the tierset

[quiet breach]

belt is taken? is there another belt besides the 701 delve one?

701 is not high

[oblique pond]

i know but you are probably keeping that belt for some time so there has to be an alternative spot

[quiet breach]

what ilvl is champion 6/8

next season

hero belt will absolutely replace it but I'm wandering about champ

[oblique pond]

don't want to discuss the belt i was asking about possible craft slots

[quiet breach]

u can get champ 6/8 with carved crests right?

yeah but now I wanna discuss the belt lol

[earnest canyon]

u want to know what the base reward levels are?

[quiet breach]

I want to know what ilvl champ 6/8 is

il just dig thru google

[earnest canyon]

697 I guess? First google result

[quiet breach]

oh I guess hero belt will replace it then

[edgy widget]

I was replacing it around +15 ilvls, but ymmv

as far as crafting, Fury will likely go weapon/wrist again at least to start
Arms either wrist/belt or fill in whatever major piece you're having trouble getting (some people like early offpiece tier craft, but it really just depends on what you happen to loot early)

[quiet breach]

is there new embellishments in s3 or is it 2x duskthread or ascendence writhing like this szn

[edgy widget]

unless they do some late tuning, likely the same

elemental lens fills in pretty well for duskthread if you're using a crafted neck, at least in ST

[quiet breach]

@oblique pond

[brittle crow]

:3

so does fury still play slayer in raid even after the mt buffs on ptr?;

[clever belfry]

10m mythic, 777777
its 2025

[brittle crow]

i wanna BLAST

[brittle crow]

20 people too likely to be stupid

[clever belfry]

20 people give more design freedom

done and dusted

[brittle crow]

well how do i manage to get 19 people to be less stupid

[clever belfry]

find better players

[brittle crow]

but applying to guilds with better players sounds like hell

[oblique trail]

Why does this matter compared to searching for the average guild

Unless you yourself don't trust in your own skill enough to be in a good guild

[brittle crow]

the average guild takes me without a background check xd

[oblique trail]

Any reasonable guild would do some sort of check on you

[clever belfry]

meow

[brittle crow]

i don't apply to reasonable guilds

im a slumlord

[clever belfry]

then 10m doesnt help u, like at all

[orchid brook]

do typical mid-season CE guilds do anything more than check logs + trial?

[clever belfry]

the 10th player (who will be a griefer) now always has a job

and will grief it every pull

[quiet breach]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nNlOWYmfKeyD8SVp4Fe82Hc6m8DCTtbO0tfX8GWttuk/edit?gid=227820780#gid=227820780

[edgy widget]

yes, it's still far ahead in ST

[brittle crow]

sadge but that's fine prob

[edgy widget]

Thane got a massive improvement but it's not OP by any means, just closer to Colossus in M+

[brittle crow]

so im not throwing by picking fufu in m+?

fury

autocorrect rip

[clever belfry]

ju fufu

[brittle crow]

i love ju fufu..

i just pulled her

[edgy widget]

post Thane buff na, it's doing well enough

I'm not entirely sure if it's explicitly better than Colossus or not now, but it's keeping up at least

[brittle crow]

the big thing is gear

i don't wanna feel bad for going for fury gear

and playing fury

[edgy widget]

gear is basically just ilvl at this point in the expansion lol

[earnest canyon]

In vanilla you needed 40 people and the difficulty was getting them online and making sure everyone can do the one mechanic

[brittle crow]

vanilla was stinky

[edgy widget]

I don't think 10m would be good for Mythic; even if you got rid of most of the raid buffs, you still end up filling most slots with utility effects

15 would probably be a more balanced transition

10 isn't even enough for one of each class!

[brittle crow]

ok fine ill change my tag

to what idk

[edgy widget]

"official 21st man"

[brittle crow]

[earnest canyon]

"Guild Cheerleader"

[brittle crow]

true

[earnest canyon]

Nah you cant use that, that is me. Im brought along as a charity case:

"Lets give him a nice day out"

[edgy widget]

like taking the dog for a walk, he's just happy to be there

[earnest canyon]

that is me, yes sir

[tiny estuary]

Not my bulldog

[oblique pond]

so currently i have my wrists and cloak crafted with embelishment, in 11.2 we get the artifact cloak so i have to recrat my cloak before the patch comes out so i am wondering what the optimal spot is to recraft to

[brittle crow]

why would u craft anything before patch

just wait til u get ur new spark

[oblique pond]

well because we get the cloak day one and then i want to be able to have my embellishment on another slot and we'll not be able to craft 681 at start of new patch

[gleaming siren]

You know that 20 man raids actively allow the average player to be more stupid right

[brittle crow]

until someone fucks an entire sprocket pull with a drill or a bomb

i like the sprocket fight but i hate how ppl can't do basic choreography

[gloomy loom]

isn't the belt cap 704 this week?

did 3 delves but din't get any upgrade like other weeks

[hoary fox]

I thought it was capped at 701

[eternal sundial]

701

[edgy widget]

doesn't really matter since you're going to end up replacing most of your gear anyway, just make a ring, neck, boot, or something

[dense elbow]

You got to do 3 more

[gleaming siren]

missing the point but sure, in a 10 man raid everyone would have a lot more responsbility all the time on a fight like Lockenstock

[coarse nest]

Honestly 20 man feels like a good amount

[inland flame]

It's really more of an accessability argument in my mind. For many guilds it is a lot easier to get 10 passable to good players than 20. A lot of guilds that only do heroic rn could take their good core players into 10m mythic. Etc. But there are arguments on both sides ofc.

[tepid cedar]

Bc the week prior to new you can’t craft anything most likely. Especially if you want to keep your embellishment.

[tepid cedar]

I would have a pair of legs with your embelishment to be paired with bracers sitting in bank or bag just chilling just in case

So cheap to craft things now that dosnt hurt to have it on standby. “ better to have something and not need it, than need it and not have it”

[dense elbow]

Then 10 is hard to get, so you should for accesability go down to 8. That kinda never stops, till it is solo play, no?

[edgy widget]

really depends on the fight

• Yes there is generally more room to "hide in the crowd" in larger group sizes, but that doesn't universally mean smaller = harder either
• I mean just look at most M+ bosses for an obvious example of having only 5 players, but generally simpler mechanics than most 20 player raid bosses

[tepid cedar]

Exactly. Funkykitty uses OF, so in a 10 person group it’s really like having 15 ppl as he counts for 5 ppls worth of dps bc of OF

[dense elbow]

que

[tepid cedar]

Jokes aside. Small groups are actually a lot easier

[edgy widget]

smaller groups usually make it easier to see things, which is very useful especially in melee

[tepid cedar]

And to actually learn properly

[edgy widget]

but they also create more individual burden when you lose a player (assuming it's not an outright wipe)

[dense elbow]

Less chance that ben the mage stands on your set melee spot over and over, too

[tepid cedar]

I know when I was parse hunting smaller groups let me really see what and where I could push things and where I couldent

[inland flame]

Its just way easier to assemble a team with good skill parity if the number is lower for almost all guilds. Just the way things are.

[edgy widget]

well obviously, it's easier to assemble 5 people than 10 or 20

[dense elbow]

Ye, but by that logic, you just downsize till it is duo or solo play, no?

[edgy widget]

that really goes without saying lol

[tepid cedar]

Archi, have you done numbers on new thane ?

[edgy widget]

yeah I posted some yesterday

[tepid cedar]

ah let me search it up

[dense elbow]

He did They were good numbers to see

[edgy widget]

it's ok, not broken op

[inland flame]

I mean obviously there's a limit before it becomes a dungeon or a scenario. But that doesn't make what I said not true. It's just something to recognize.

[edgy widget]

the set itself is really strong but thane as a whole is still kinda average

[tepid cedar]

Happy about it though

[orchid dagger]

Is it OK, or actually good

[tepid cedar]

Going to be nice with a monk

Can’t wait

[rigid stirrup]

is colossus still gapping it by a significant margin?

[edgy widget]

ask three people that question and you'll get 3 different answers; some people think "good" means "best" and anything under "best" is not "ok"

[dense elbow]

Based on what I seen, I would lean closer to OK - but I expect to see some more tuning

[edgy widget]

I think Colossus is still ahead but that'll take some more hands on testing to really get a good feel for

[tepid cedar]

I’ll take an all ability 5%.

[orchid dagger]

So no, lol

[edgy widget]

important to recognize too that Colossus isn't doing bad either

[tepid cedar]

Good to know that we aren’t getting stomped by colossus now though

[edgy widget]

like I said, it will take some more hands on testing

[rigid stirrup]

I think its in a decent spot given b2b nerfs even tho they were small

[orchid dagger]

Decent spot being?

[tepid cedar]

I’m gona push 15/16s first week or 2. Im sure I’ll come in here bitching again like s2

[orchid dagger]

Mid pack? Bottom-ish?

[rigid stirrup]

probably upper mid back

based on what ive seen

[restive peak]

Noone knows yet

[tepid cedar]

Just befriend some mists and brews

[restive peak]

Noone is even 110% locked into best builds yet, everyone from every class is still experimenting, runs are having 20-30 deaths etc

[tepid cedar]

And don’t leave home without them

[dense elbow]

midpack, but expect the outliers to be reigned in

[restive peak]

People are on PTR playing shit they don't play

[inland flame]

I've actually been DMing the dev team and they told me we would be blasting the competition out of the water trust trust

[dense elbow]

ok

we trust trust

If true, you get yellow

if not, ban.

[south kayak]

I think Thane just needs buffs to it's passives/abilities like TB/Lightning Strikes and capstone. They've barely buffed Thane this season

[tepid cedar]

Bruh

My 2 kids are into Roblox now

[dense elbow]

Brø

[inland flame]

As someone who never lies on the internet for the memes I am not worried in the slightest

[dense elbow]

That isnt good

[tepid cedar]

All they talk about is banning ppl

[restive peak]

I mean the bigger fury issue is def that roar/spear/OF/Ons are giga dogwater, but that's nothing we should expect to change now

[modest condor]

thane got an indirect buff in the sense that it's going from a tierset that's a 4% increase to one that's a 15-20% increase

[south kayak]

Yeah but without the tier set, thane is trash

[restive peak]

No actual aura tuning or minor tuning has happened yet, they're still figuring out the tier sets, then we'll have a better idea

[tepid cedar]

I want spear and ravager

[modest condor]

but you cant look at it without the tierset

[restive peak]

I mean thane does its job fine on live rn

[modest condor]

specs are balanced around having the tierset

[restive peak]

And everyone will be 18-20% behind before tier so who cares

[south kayak]

I am doing it right now :chatting

[modest condor]

then you're being silly

[south kayak]

I am not looking at it like that

but it is a fact that the hero talent is average

[restive peak]

I mean

It isn't a fact, it's an opinion

There are classes/specs that only use 1 of their hero things for everything

[tepid cedar]

Really wish spear and champions might were combined and capstone was increased duration and like 50% diameter increase

[south kayak]

I'm talking about the damage and it's impact

[restive peak]

^

[south kayak]

not how it feels

That's subjective

[restive peak]

That doesn't make any sense, thane is very viable

We literally used it to prog Stix/OAB this tier early on

It's also still the better M+ build

[inland flame]

Surely one of the reasons Blizz abandoned tier sets for a bit was to have consistent tuning, because with new tier sets every patch it necessarily mixes tuning up. It's a part of the game.

[restive peak]

I think it just highlights how much people panic when blizz isn't even close to done turning dials yet, the new set is a massive win

[modest condor]

im pretty sure they did it because they wanted to replace them with other systems of borrowed power

[restive peak]

It would be like panicking that the roof isn't on a house as they finish the foundation

[dense elbow]

The new Thane (4) sounds like just a blast

So no complaints

[rigid stirrup]

knee jerk reactions are all we know

[restive peak]

Give them time to build the walls and roof; we're still 3 weeks from the tier, and we'll see tuning every week now until then

[dense elbow]

Save (4) slayer tho

[tepid cedar]

I really thing it s because they might be trying to get rid of the need to have WAs to track when to use shit

[edgy widget]

They buffed TC/Blast by 25% just a couple weeks ago lol

[quiet breach]

do we know if AM or RA is superior yet

[tepid cedar]

As they are moving toward banning. Wa

[edgy widget]

still AM

[restive peak]

We pray for AM always

If it ain't AM I don't want it

Catch me on Pinklinc pressing divine storm

[tepid cedar]

Amen

[inland flame]

That buff was to comp a bug fix that's actually happening now though, right? Ig Blizz never directly said that tho.

[tepid cedar]

So nice having cooldowns every pack

[restive peak]

The point is thane isn't numerically weak for its job lol

[edgy widget]

they never specified, but probably; still it was a buff and the bug wasn't fixed until this PTR (at which point Thane is getting further buffs via the tier bonus)

[restive peak]

and has been buffed several times

[edgy widget]

I mean Thane is still a little weak compared to the frontrunners, but they definitely buffed it a few times during S2

[quiet breach]

I see people hating on AM cuz it makes our damage profile flat and I'm like... why is having a flat damage profile bad?

u always do consistent damage

[edgy widget]

but both those things can be true - they can both buff things and they still be weak

[quiet breach]

its just different from CD specs

[tepid cedar]

I think it’s the fact that our burst is so dookie

[restive peak]

Well yeah, but like we always discuss, if we compare everything to the top 3 specs or w/e and say it means we're weak then lots is weak

[tepid cedar]

Unless things really get lucky

Where RA was more consistent

[restive peak]

We def need some buffs for S3, but it's not like they're done tuning GG gl in the tier

We have time

[edgy widget]

same reason they complained about having too bursty of a damage profile and no sustain before - people just like to have something to complain about, and people generally don't have a whole lot of time for nuance, so they look for an easy/obvious/understandable thing to blame

[restive peak]

I'm a big flat damage guy, so won't catch me upset about that part

[dense elbow]

I am big burst guy, I fight with Lincc a lot

[restive peak]

Could always be worse too, boomies are freakin out apparently

Funky will never win a fight with me but he sure tries

So cute

Little Kitty

[tepid cedar]

Only complain I have now is ,…. #bringbackspear

[dense elbow]

♥ I win tho, the heart of the ppl

[inland flame]

I definitely think its less stressful having to worry less about having damage available for any given trash pack

[edgy widget]

class discords and freaking out, name a more iconic duo

[tepid cedar]

Let’s me get those even juicier crits of TB

[restive peak]

Dan was runnin spear on PTR today and it looked like it was better than roar

For M+

[tepid cedar]

Spear is better now bro

I used it for a while

[restive peak]

We love a good spearin

[coarse nest]

Freaking out and class discords is also an iconic duo

[edgy widget]

Spear has p much always been numerically good, it's just harder to use, especially in M+

[coarse nest]

[tepid cedar]

Problem is the range

[modest condor]

im a low cooldown cds fan, whether that means flat damage profile or just frequent burst doesnt really matter to me

[restive peak]

Make spear bigger

[quiet breach]

do u guys think loot councils will prio fury warrior for 4pc?

[modest condor]

i like both current fury and shadowlands kyrian fury

[quiet breach]

or is our tier set bad in comparison to our competing specs

[restive peak]

Who knows

[dense elbow]

Depends on final tuning

[coarse nest]

Can we make warrior a 1 minute / 30 second class

[restive peak]

S2/3 DF were both so fun

I miss DF fury

[oblique thistle]

Based

[tepid cedar]

S2 fury was bussing

[quiet breach]

I hope they do I wanna THUNDER BLAST so gd bad

[inland flame]

ngl if Spear and Roar are close in dungos I'll take Roar because of how much easier it is to use

[restive peak]

S2 fury is byfar my fav fury ever, sorry not sorry

S2 DF*

Not this dogshit

[tepid cedar]

S1 to s2 ptr fury was the best though with annihilator wrecking shit. Sad the shit got neutered quick 🤣

[coarse nest]

Wasn’t that the RB spam/ravager season?

[restive peak]

Was just giga fast CDs and shit, very flat profile

It's fun starting 14th and ending top 3 by slowly chippin away at those idiot mages

Idiots

[coarse nest]

Ye rack/ravager all the time

[restive peak]

Loved it

[tepid cedar]

98% reck was lovely

Never low on rage

😍

Onslaught animation looking like you were putting a beach towel down

[inland flame]

Turns out the loop of gaining and spending rage is a lot more fun if it happens a lot faster

[tepid cedar]

@whole yacht let’s do a 5 fury dungeon

For fun

[warm crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1395109876883128572/image.png?ex=687940d2&is=6877ef52&hm=35a3dde5b006d5abc2a6ecf7846e87007036f5bcaa716de018748cc8c2aca144&

smaller

[inland flame]

not good enough guys I can still see the chatting that was happening before

[dense elbow]

Not enough warrior players left sadly

its been a rough season

[inland flame]

https://tenor.com/view/new-edition-tommybrown-tommy-smoking-gif-26152294

[gleaming siren]

I dont think comparing content where bosses are meant to fit inside the experience rather than being the whole experience really proves anything tbf
Small group size raid content would undoubtedly be harder on average to stay engaging

[sour elbow]

I know there's always more tuning to come but you have any feelycrafts about us getting any additional changes (talent changes/reworks) for S3 or are we looking to be fairly static outside of number tweaks?

[flat river]

why did u rename yourself to you, me, and me combined

[gleaming siren]

it was the running meta

@clever belfry

@compact siren

[edgy widget]

I don't see how the number of participants has any bearing on whether or not the mechanics are engaging, but ok

[edgy widget]

no, very unlikely to have any mechanical changes at this point unless something is very broken

[flat river]

so everyone just renaming themselves to me

I AM THE ORIGINAL STRONKMON

oh shit i just said my ingame name

gg im not getting invited

[edgy widget]

well in that case... time to moderate for ban evasion

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

[woven valley]

Be smoten

[coarse nest]

@undone flower hey can you talk yet

Missing French war homie

[compact siren]

GalaStronk the cute

[flat river]

🤨

[dense elbow]

To be fair, you do UwU and :* a lot

[flat river]

i never did :* in my life

well until just now

but i do do UwU alot

UwU

[compact siren]

very cute

[coarse nest]

Apparently I’m too boomer because I have zero clue what 😗 means

Ahh

That’s it

Thanks phone

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-pat-gif-24957682

[earnest canyon]

https://i.imgur.com/aZRCbMR.gif

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/smug-anime-face-gif-6194051

[compact knot]

we share with evoker

and im pretty sure evoker tier is good asf next season

[modest condor]

we are probably the biggest gain from tierset purely because our s2 tierset is dogshit garbage

[chilly fractal]

Our S1 and 2 tier sets are an insult to dogshit garbage everywhere

[modest condor]

true

[quiet breach]

can we get the special cloak and the special boots day 1 of the patch? (Aug 5th)

[modest condor]

no the boots drop from a raid boss afaik

[quiet breach]

is that the boots that are personal loot?

[warm crag]

super rare drop no

[compact knot]

boots are a rare drop off a boss, cloak you get day 1 though

on aug 5th

[quiet breach]

ok so the boots are by no means guarenteed

why was that guy talking about how boots cant be an embellishment slot then :zoompeepo:

[compact knot]

not guranteed at all

it honestly might be awhile until your whole raid gets it

[quiet breach]

@oblique pond

[compact knot]

itll be wrists/belt probably as true bis

weapon/wrists might be better at start though

[clear axle]

Wait are we actually not dogshit next season? How good are the thane buffs actually

[dire vigil]

Prob wrist + weapon until you can get a maxed hero track or myth track belt to replace the delves belt

Then back to dusk/dawnthread

[compact knot]

i dont think fury was ever dogshit next season

there was like 6 insanely overtuned specs though and it made fury look bad in comparison

[clear axle]

In m+ thane was dogshit

[compact knot]

well yeah

but the tierset has been buffed like 2000%

so it does actual damage now

[clear axle]

that’s what I’m talking about - so it was dogshit

I’m asking if the buff is legit is fury legit now

[compact knot]

i didnt know it was thane specifically mb

but yeah thane specifically was really bad, its good now though

[clear axle]

No stress brotha man

awesome ty big dog. Makes me happy - don’t want to play anything else

[limber oar]

Good comparatively

Still worse than top performers, probably still a bit worse than arms colossus

But its definitely playable

[compact knot]

eternally stuck in a state of mid to slightly above mid

[clear axle]

are we better in restrospect to how mediocre (I’d say dogshit) we were this season

[limber oar]

Yes

[compact knot]

yeah

[clear axle]

Dope

Thank you boys

[compact knot]

fury tier this season was like non existent but its pretty good next season

[limber oar]

Even despite losing the seismic reverb bug

[clear axle]

Tier bonus actually seems fun - that’s why I’m hoping it’s not horrible

free TB procs

[limber oar]

Its a gacha lever

Which is good and bad

Cause at least the payoff is more respectable

But you can def hit dry spells

[clear axle]

honestly just want SOMETHING to interact with even if it’s gacha bs

[inland flame]

Only hit target dummies with it but it procs plenty, you will get unlucky streaks still for sure but it probably balances out with the dopamine-inducing proc chains

[clear axle]

Not a fan of getting tier bonus and forgetting it

[olive wraith]

It’s getting close to Col

Thanks to prot sucker punch

[clear axle]

OF still unplayable?

[olive wraith]

I mean it’s playable live

[clear axle]

Optimal****

Better word

[inland flame]

I've gotten the feel that we're gonna play the same Fury tree except dump the RB resets on Ramp talent for the Reck procs on Ramp talent

[olive wraith]

I think it’s roughly the same boat

[inland flame]

No idea if that's real yet tho

[clear axle]

Sounds good - I enjoyed fury playstyle this season anyways

[olive wraith]

Ye we may just take stat node

[inland flame]

1% secondary yuge

[olive wraith]

Actually idk. With thane getting big ST buffs it might be worth taking

For the big pull dungeons