fury

[tiny jewel]

Heck MT might end up being better in raid if thus keeps up

[dense elbow]

Perhaps, that we wont know before tuning is done

I kinda doubt that tho

[edgy widget]

it's not even a loss, the Reap buff makes up for it

[dense elbow]

Not even a 0.x% difference either way?

That is pretty impressive if so

[edgy widget]

if anything it's a buff

especially as you add more targets

[dense elbow]

Ye, that is what I said

Well, hinted at, saying M+

[edgy widget]

yes but it's also not a ST loss, which is the part I corrected

[dense elbow]

Fair, I havent seen the pure ST sim on it

[olive wraith]

You still working on the numbers Archi?

[dense elbow]

But if they balanced it to be actual perfect 0% change, I am honestly impressed

[tiny jewel]

Literally been playing fury since 3.0 pre patch and TGs added. I literally love how it plays right now..probably most fun gameplay ever. It's class fantasy is perfect but yeah the numbers dont add up. Let alone lack of utility in high keys

[olive wraith]

Can’t wait to see the huge thane %

[edgy widget]

not really much to work, there'll be some APL updates, but this is unlikely to be the last of the tuning anyway

Arma will be adding Thane stuff, right now I'm writing about China

[olive wraith]

Ty sir

[edgy widget]

actually looks like the changes just went in a couple minutes ago 🎉

[olive wraith]

Just so happy we can tb spam

[dense elbow]

Time for some Thane hype!

[edgy widget]

So we'll start getting firmer numbers soon

[storm birch]

Whoop whoop!

[edgy widget]

but really, this isn't the last of the tuning, so I wouldn't get too invested in anything just yet

[tiny jewel]

Arch you think they won't even consider touching the 5 cap till Midnight if at all?

[edgy widget]

na

no real reason to

[summer quail]

i'd be surprised if they touched it in midnight as well.

all i really want is some power out of raging blow. fury plays pretty great overall imo

[olive wraith]

Seriously

[dense elbow]

I just want some AoE burst, so we dont suffer as much from the community first impression effect in keys

[olive wraith]

Give bt better talents

[edgy widget]

power creeping in the other direction isn't really the answer either, need to take some stuff out of RB

[south kayak]

I saw a Reddit thread on competitive WoW about the tuning pass yesterday. So people were saying shit like “there’s no way they’re nerfing fdk damage at this point right”.

How do people in the competitive subreddit not even know how tuning passes work?

This was clearly entirely tier set tuning

[tiny jewel]

Yeah I mean playing fury is awesome. Just need something that contributes a bit more in keys

[edgy widget]

"damage"

[limber oar]

Competitive wow subreddit is filled with brainlets

[edgy widget]

that's the only contribution anyone cares about in keys

[dense elbow]

It is not even 'damage', it is the giga1stpull damage only

[south kayak]

Blizzard usually tunes tier sets then they go for class tuning after that’s done

[odd cipher]

do we expect more tuning this week or we chill until next week

[orchid brook]

the only thing I will care about keys is "do I have monk buff"

[edgy widget]

I mean like any open community with no vetting, its a lighthouse for people who aren't but think or wish they were

[summer quail]

slaughtering strikes execute would be nice. gives value to massacre as well

[limber oar]

Ya exactly

[astral gorge]

Those Thane buffs lol

[edgy widget]

think I'd rather put it on Bloodthirst, open it up to all abilities (sans RB ofc), or just hard nerf it so it's a much more minor contributor, but yeah some kind of change is warranted and that's a good place to start

[south kayak]

EVERY SINGLE tuning thread I see people are acting like it’s the last final tuning they’ll ever get, lol. Anyone else get this vibe?

[edgy widget]

people are stupid, news at 11

people looooove to kneejerk

[summer quail]

yeah that's fine as well. tbf i think as long as they remove it from rb i would be happy

[olive wraith]

Slayer still has raid

[lilac osprey]

this has always been the case every time blizzard has done tuning people love to overreact

[limber oar]

My mean comment aside, i literally started playing this game this expac and 2 weeks into playing i was looking at that discord. Like you said, its not a well of good knowledge cause any avg mythic green/blue parser or 18 weeks CE achiever can post their opinion however wrong it may be

[south kayak]

At the least thane rotation is the closest we can get to a proper logical priority

Ignoring execute

[summer quail]

tru, i do love thane

[astral gorge]

Yeah just M+ Shitpost Execute feels good

[modest condor]

most people on that subreddit are heroic/+10 andies

[dense elbow]

This is good, have my theoretical like

[edgy widget]

Yep, and to be fair, that's not a problem with just that community, it also exists here (though we mitigate it through the use of highlighted roles for people who generally know what they're talking about)

[modest condor]

you get hate comments if you say +15s are easy at this point in the season

[sour frigate]

[dense elbow]

But they are?

[edgy widget]

but I mean it also exists everywhere else in live too - twitter, discussion boards, various news outlets, etc

[sand crest]

idc if they re nerf thane set dmg later, ionizing strikes resetting blast cd on top of granting a charge is as close to the mbg gameplay I crave as it will get

[edgy widget]

the internet was great because it gave a platform to everyone, allowing them to more or less freely exchange their ideas

the internet is also awful because it gave a platform to everyone

[south kayak]

Frost dk wasn’t on this weeks tuning, surely that means they’re not getting nerfed ever

[modest condor]

this wasnt on compwow but on the regular wow sub but someone got mad when someone else said that you shouldnt need a healer to survive in a +14 as a tank

[sour frigate]

I cant believe fdk being pumping 3 seasons straight

[tiny jewel]

Damn Arch did you just finish Death Stranding 2 lol

[edgy widget]

na, I didn't even play the first one

[south kayak]

Frost DK got nerfed sometimes during s1 and they haven’t been really pumping since then

That’s false

[astral gorge]

Frost DK cant be OP if you dont invite them to any of your groups

[edgy widget]

well that's not true, I played the first one for a few hours and then got really fuckin bored and figured I should rethink some of my life decisions

[south kayak]

Lmfao

[south kayak]

Wait, you don’t?

Doesn’t it depend on the tank

[limber oar]

Ya i was going to comment that, conservatively, 80+% of things people say are incorrect or wildly misleading. But ya yall do a good job offsetting it as much as reasonably possible while still allowing freedom of speech

[sour frigate]

still the high keys were with fdk

[edgy widget]

steam says it was 7 hours, but I'm pretty sure half that time was tabbed out looking for help

[sour frigate]

atm frost is strong as fuck

unholy just stronger a bit

[modest condor]

tank is often the lowest healing recieved from a healer in m+

[tiny jewel]

The 2nd is more of the first just a bit less boring

[south kayak]

People were also acting like blood dk isn’t gonna be playable for some reason??

[dense elbow]

It kinda isnt, ngl

[edgy widget]

Yeah not my kinda game

[fleet pasture]

still mad that we never got silent hills

[south kayak]

Most of the games I get these days I just stop playing within 2 hours and then never play them again

[edgy widget]

and no disrespect to mr Kojima, but I find his tropey joke designs more stupid than innovative to each their own

[tiny jewel]

Hideo next game for Xbox is gonna be a horror game

[edgy widget]

wym next, he's already made plenty of horrible games xD

[fleet pasture]

yea overdose

[summer quail]

i think kojima games you either really enjoy or really do not care about

[storm meadow]

Anybody tried the new Fury 4P ? I'm curious about the huge up

[south kayak]

Yes

It big

[edgy widget]

its extremely good

[storm meadow]

MT ? ST ? both ?

[south kayak]

Both

[tiny jewel]

Lol i mean that's why they call him "auteur" you either enjoy his storytelling or you don't

[storm meadow]

So far I read that we won't suck in AOE as much

I guess SimC is not updated yet ? Otherwise you'd probably join a rendered report with actual updated values Archimtiros (pinky promess I wont mention again) ?

[south kayak]

Not the tag

Scatter

[storm meadow]

Mea culpa

[hardy cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/scatter-run-away-runaway-break-gif-20690048

[summer quail]

lmao now it's a ghost ping

even funnier

[south kayak]

It’s over

We’re getting cooked

[tawny pivot]

I remember people pinging Archi for which quest items to pick when levelling

[dense elbow]

Fury broken good confirmed

[storm meadow]

ok so we're getting nerfed before live 😭

[south kayak]

He’s spreading misinformation

[tawny pivot]

I'm joining the war on misinformation
On the side of misinformation

[storm meadow]

Raah, FINE, I'll get home and try to play on PTR. But NGL I felt very very weak 2 weeks ago

[dense elbow]

I just want Thane nerfed, so Slayer gets better in comparisment I am honest about my motives

[south kayak]

He can see all edits

[junior gale]

What if thane doesn't get nerfed but Slayer gets buffed

[tawny pivot]

I just wanna log my dorf, spec mountain king and hit stuff while yelling rock and stone at the top of my lungs

Am I such a bad person for that

[dense elbow]

Good thing ya can already do that

[edgy widget]

it's updated now, it wasn't updated last night due to the extensive nature of the changes

[dense elbow]

Go for it

[tawny pivot]

Yea but I don't wanna do keys

[dense elbow]

then dont do keys?

[tawny pivot]

I wanna raaaaid

[dense elbow]

Go raid?

[tawny pivot]

Yeah but then I feel bad because I know I can pull more with slayer

[summer quail]

oh can admins see edits? i can see that it has been edited and what time it did but that's all

[pine gust]

OMG Blizzard should nerf fury, too good

[plush ice]

Does thane get close to slayer in ST w that tier change?

[olive wraith]

Doubt

Slayer st is pretty good

[tawny pivot]

omg can you believe it

[dense elbow]

I was planning to spread more of these, but sadly the mage and warlock woke up and now presses buttons on the pulls (and aint dead)

[storm meadow]

What I hated about Slayer on S2 was that you needed a WA to track when to Exec

[south kayak]

Guys look at this

[pine gust]

Dammit, we need to DM them to start griefing

[orchid dagger]

Kek

[edgy widget]

https://tenor.com/view/lor-lord-of-the-rings-sauron-lord-sauron-the-great-eye-gif-17124185

[dense elbow]

warrior DPS so out of this world yo

[tawny pivot]

Holy shit so good

[junior gale]

Archi can read my spelling mistakes and typos and brain farts

[tawny pivot]

I can't even play war anymore I can't handle doing so much dps

It's not fair to other people

[pine gust]

Me as lone warrior on HC broodtwister in S1

[tawny pivot]

You get about the same fullfillment with hellcaller destro on mythic mug

At least I did

[winter shoal]

What da warlock doin

[tawny pivot]

I didn't play war much in S2 because if I can't play mountain king why play

[dense elbow]

Laughing with da mage about a Phoenix that keeps dying

[orchid dagger]

Prot Thane pvp

[junior gale]

No tell them they are supposed to take ptr seriously

[tawny pivot]

resillience will fix it

[junior gale]

No fun only serious buisness

[tawny pivot]

Yeah what do you think this is, some sort of a game??

[dense elbow]

This is serious testing after all, dont you know that blizz will balance the game around this?

[junior gale]

Of course

They are looking at your dungeon data this very moment

[dense elbow]

We should report them, send in the footage, maybe they get a 18 month ban

deserved

[olive wraith]

[orchid dagger]

He doesn't know the strat

[edgy widget]

there's your Thane sim, previously it was around +5%

[tawny pivot]

Do you know the strat for these tho?

[dense elbow]

Now this, this is a DPS up that makes you smile

[pine gust]

Whats the target number btw Archi?

[edgy widget]

there isn't one

[sinful spoke]

twice already

we are cooked

[junior gale]

Fury has never seen a tier set in the double digits wowowowowowie

[sinful spoke]

💔

[orchid dagger]

N > Prot spec > H > Rated > Blitz

[edgy widget]

*Thane hasn't lol

[tawny pivot]

not those

[junior gale]

[olive wraith]

We are hype

[winter shoal]

Is this still with seismic bug?

[south kayak]

That one was fixed

[olive wraith]

How major was it for ST?

Wait this puts us pretty damn close to Col after the bleed nerf probs

And I assume much better boss dmg

[winter shoal]

In game yes, I think it's still there in simc though

[edgy widget]

no it was fixed last week

[winter shoal]

Oh sick

On base raidbots or only mimiron

Or only running simc locally

Idk how all of that's wired together behind the curtains

[clever belfry]

locally (unless u build it urself after forking it) will not be further ahead than latest on raidbots

[fading sky]

I mean if thane beats arms we are cooked in m+

[edgy widget]

raidbots and mimiron are the same thing anyway

only diff is mimiron forces ptr

[olive wraith]

Y

[fading sky]

Then we aint got any spec that has a shot

[south kayak]

??

[fading sky]

Oh well playing thane wont be to bad either

[slim coral]

Thane fucks

[olive wraith]

Why is thane beating col bad

[slim coral]

All they have to do is buff our cds a little and we're so good

[gleaming siren]

@warm crag i will report you if you are last on DPS have fun

[clever belfry]

that took u a long time to type schmididitoilet

[gleaming siren]

No

[warm crag]

why the fuck would you say this to me

[gleaming siren]

I was gonna type something mean and then I didn't

So I typed something mean to Spongie instead

To discharge the energy

[warm crag]

????

@oblique trail balls react this man

[gleaming siren]

@oblique trail balls react Spongie as well

[olive wraith]

[gleaming siren]

I am starting to be

Highkey concerned

Next week is a release candidate more than likely

And recently they haven't done much for that build or after

[clever belfry]

RC stands for real cringe actually

[slim coral]

bro this midnight key art kinda fucks

[gleaming siren]

They are still due for... many things

[lyric panther]

new class, space ghost

[gleaming siren]

Nerfing the HoA trinket is happening 100%

For one

[slim coral]

no

I have talked to blizzard personally they won't nerf it

[clever belfry]

john blizzarD?

[gleaming siren]

My dad is blizzard and he told me he will nerf it personally

🤷‍♂️

Shadow set

Demo set double dips Mastery

[slim coral]

I'm part owner in blizzard so I will make sure they don't

[warm crag]

i worked at blizzard check out my code

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/902189324341227562/1394599476252905544/20250714_120413.jpg?ex=68776579&is=687613f9&hm=210ea2fc638131265952dc86f495d4075b94f456f4f936d0a0c82f58db8089e9&

[remote bobcat]

i am the first second generation employee at blizzard

yes

[clever belfry]

farmed schmidi

[gleaming siren]

Fork anda

[warm crag]

german hive mind jumpscare

[slim coral]

it's actually ironic this says not a hacker when he is one

[clever belfry]

127.0.0.1 is a hacker

watch out

[oblique trail]

I don't have the power

[gleaming siren]

if (ipaddress == '127.0.0.1') { return 1; } // I am a hacker

Anda made my joke while I was typing gg

[clever belfry]

im just

leagues ahead of u mate

[remote bobcat]

hivemind

[gleaming siren]

You made it worse

I am anda

[remote bobcat]

league of legends from arcane ?

[gleaming siren]

Lesser known fact

[clever belfry]

true

[gleaming siren]

We have been seen in the same room multiple times

Scary coincidence

[clever belfry]

yes more than double digit

[warm crag]

neither of you have been seen with me in the same room though

[gleaming siren]

We are you

[warm crag]

through transitive property this means something

trans???

[clever belfry]

trans??

[gleaming siren]

You refuse to engage with us

[warm crag]

you refuse to take a 150 minute trip to see me

[clever belfry]

you could make the trip

and waste half the time

checkmate

sorry, chessmate

[humble plover]

Social interactions are for chumps. That's why me and my Bois hang out in Azeroth

[remote bobcat]

Weirdge

[humble plover]

U caught me. Nobody wants to hang out there either

[junior gale]

guys were totally gonna have a skyhold neighborhood right?

[clever belfry]

fuck i might have to resub for player housing

[olive wraith]

HOA bylaws demand you have frostmourne and fyralath on display

[junior gale]

what if im too lazy to get shadowmourne

that like requires other ppl and stuff

[clever belfry]

did they ever nerf the blood step

[storm birch]

quick question. For PTR do i need to grind out the quests or is there a way to get 4 piece quickly to test? didn't wanna spoil the story if possible D:

I'm a PTR newbie

[junior gale]

theres a vendor in dornagol and stormwind

the dornagol vendor should be outside the building where the portals are

[storm birch]

thanks you a real one

[junior gale]

Stormwind should have a vendor the for artifact back piece as well

so you dont have to do the story for it

[storm birch]

❤️

[winter shoal]

Big if true

[charred estuary]

How much damage does thunderclap do to the 6th target is it like 20%?

[modest condor]

it doesnt work like that

[warm crag]

true if true

[modest condor]

it does the same damage to every target, it's just that after the 5th target the amount of damage per target goes down

[charred estuary]

Right that's what I'm implying guess with bad wording

What % of original damage do you get at 6 targets

[modest condor]

on 6 targets it does about 10% more damage than on 5 targets (sqrt(6/5)), so 5 targets is 500%, 6 targets it ~550%, 550/6=~92% so every enemy takes 92% of a tclap's damage

if my napkin math is correct

[charred estuary]

And then it drops off quadratically okay yeah

Just didn't know that 92ish number

[remote bobcat]

Sil do you have an irl buddy you hang out with regularly?

[slim coral]

can you confirm do I spam BT in aoe now with MT

[modest condor]

not just in aoe

[oblique trail]

ok but this game doesn't have ear physics that are good

[modest condor]

on st as well

[olive wraith]

Surely that’s the play

[modest condor]

and you can drop hns

[slim coral]

yeah saw you post that in dan's chat

[remote bobcat]

thane is giga BT spam on ptr right?

[slim coral]

just making sure

[olive wraith]

Are we thinking powerful enrage?

[remote bobcat]

yes

afaik

unless im cooked

[modest condor]

i am never thinking powerful enrage

[remote bobcat]

HUH

[clever belfry]

neither does ff unless u cheat

[brittle crow]

powerful enrage was a mistake

[modest condor]

that talent is dead to me

doesnt exist

[bitter palm]

feels good for me with powerful cause i have 40% haste

[sand crest]

what the hell is a powerful enrage

[slim coral]

are the sims tho

[olive wraith]

But I assume it makes numbers bigger

[sand crest]

sounds slow

[oblique trail]

sometimes cheating is a necessary evil

[bitter palm]

and the delve haste trinkets

[bitter palm]

prolly more aoe less st or smth

[slim coral]

we're eating good on trinkets

[modest condor]

havent checked

[slim coral]

so many

[modest condor]

not something i really bother to check, i'll let someone else determine that

[bitter palm]

don't worry the delve haste proc will explode

[modest condor]

i always play frenzied enrage

[remote bobcat]

last time i checked powerful > frenzied for slayer st

[brittle crow]

slayer st this thane aoe that

what's better morally?

the answer is clear

[remote bobcat]

arms

Ok

[modest condor]

a different class

[brittle crow]

hey no wait

[slim coral]

Playystyle wise I gotta put the new MT as number 1

thoes TB resets feel like snorting coke

[brittle crow]

dw they're going away

fun detected/accidental implementation

[slim coral]

I doubt it

[sand crest]

we have merciless bonegrinder at home

[slim coral]

There are classes with further outliers than us

[brittle crow]

and they aren't brown

if tc resets make it to live ill eat sock on stream

[inland flame]

If we drop Hack n Speak what do we pick up, Bloodborne?

[modest condor]

nah just a stat node

[olive wraith]

Let the brains cook as it gets closer. Who knows what changes

[slim coral]

speak?>

[gleaming siren]

Hack n Speak

That's Pirate Software or

'Hack'

[orchid brook]

Social engineering is cool but it isn't hacking

[inland flame]

Might be laying in my bed on my phone paying half attention to auto complete

[bitter palm]

wdym its the most common way of getting access

[dense elbow]

No point fighting autocomplete, it starts to edit things you already written

it is a losing battle

[bitter palm]

doubt

idk what to drop

what to take*

if i drop hns

[gleaming siren]

Stats

[bitter palm]

and no hns gameplay is cursef

[gleaming siren]

Crit

[bitter palm]

cursed

[south kayak]

You don't need HnS for thane

[olive wraith]

Grab onslaught

[grizzled mirage]

This probably gets asked every day, but I'm just learning fury now. Do we actually ever press slam?

[inland flame]

If it's 1% crit vs Fresh Meat am I crazy to just grab FM for faster clappa on dungo pulls?

[modest condor]

no

[inland flame]

Nope

[south kayak]

Nah

[olive wraith]

Poor dude

[grizzled mirage]

Sounds about right lmfao

[gleaming siren]

Uhh

[olive wraith]

3 no pings

[gleaming siren]

Technically?

[grizzled mirage]

Hasn't that been the case since basically vanilla

[south kayak]

You used to until they buffed WW

[grizzled mirage]

lmfao

[brittle crow]

dragonflight s3!

or s2

[gleaming siren]

Oh right WW buffs exist

[orchid brook]

Same way picking a lock called lock picking and not hacking

[brittle crow]

we pressed slam then

[olive wraith]

Ya s3

[south kayak]

Was about a 150% WW buff in total

this season

[gleaming siren]

Yea

Not like it 'matters'

[modest condor]

more like hasnt been the case since last month

[gleaming siren]

2 Slams vs 2 WWs in 5 minutes gg

[grizzled mirage]

:P ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[south kayak]

Yeah it doesn't matter

you'll rarely ever press them

in ST

[gleaming siren]

WW is strictly better usability cause it has some extra range

But yea

[inland flame]

There were points in time too in WotLk Fury had a proc that gave them an insta-Slam

[south kayak]

Bloodsurge

[bitter palm]

how is phishing not hacking

[south kayak]

Because it's phishing

[south kayak]

It was a thing in Cata too (not 100% sure)

[sour frigate]

@dense elbow u playing now?

[dense elbow]

I done 2 more 18s, I am in restmode

[sour frigate]

[dense elbow]

Slayer DPS freaking sucks

[sour frigate]

f*

[dense elbow]

To be fair, Fury prob sucks

It all sucks

[sour frigate]

The fuck happened

[south kayak]

Bro is just depressed 99% Of the time

[slim coral]

Slayer ST is good

[south kayak]

Extreme dooming

[slim coral]

only thing that beats it are the overtuned classes

[olive wraith]

Frost dk gotta get nerfed

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-pat-gif-24957682

[olive wraith]

It looks insane

[south kayak]

It has to be the best dps in the game for funky

or it's trash

[sour frigate]

Need some mm hunt therapy

Or ench

[dense elbow]

If you telling me the gap we got atm is fair and all is fine

please dont

[bitter palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1394446784373325935/image.png?ex=6876d744&is=687585c4&hm=ce48e70831357b891ac6357f0604feb7da3ab2f01305adcd67dd0124e3ed561c&

[south kayak]

It's not but the tuning is ongoing lol

[fading sky]

Aoe gap or st gap?

[dense elbow]

I AM PLAYING LIVE

[south kayak]

You have to ignore the outliners

[dense elbow]

WHAT ARE YOU

ON

ABOUT

[south kayak]

Everyone thinks you're talking about PTR

mb lol

[dense elbow]

Laterinos amigos, holey moley brainlets

[fading sky]

Live aoe gap is silly

Thane should improve a lot in aoe

Next tier

[south kayak]

I'm glad they nerfed that fire mage tier set, was crazy

[warm crag]

this needs to become a sticker

[bitter palm]

100%

[south kayak]

Pin

[fading sky]

Ignore the outliers on live as well🤣

[smoky vale]

guys

im wiggling it

[modest condor]

wiggle wiggle wiggle

[smoky vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807809192537882647/1380846657582661682/wigglin_it_rn_care_to_join.gif

[inland flame]

Big if true

[bitter palm]

57 gios vs 57 thunder blasts

[smoky vale]

bring back raging blow57

[bitter palm]

no

fuck raging blow

[orchid brook]

Because social engineering isn't hacking, it's attacking people vs attacking software directly. Yes they're related ofc but we make the distinction for a reason

[fluid pollen]

The vibes seem more lively in here today. Is it the thane buffs?

I mean 100% more is worth a mood swing

[winter shoal]

Amen

[south kayak]

Yeah

[fluid pollen]

Yeah, gotta say I’m pretty stoked.

[olive wraith]

It’s not even that. It’s TB resetting the cooldown

[sullen dove]

o does it do that too

[olive wraith]

Yes

[sullen dove]

I think it’s also it guaranteed procs when ionizings proc

so 3 diff buffs

no double rng stupid shit

[fluid pollen]

Hmm

[junior gale]

Yee

[fluid pollen]

Neat

[junior gale]

It feels good to play

[fluid pollen]

I won’t be able to play til live.

[junior gale]

There's a delay when you get the TB reset but that actually feels good

[fluid pollen]

Playstyle diff?

[junior gale]

Allows for TB Ramp TB

[sullen dove]

I mean just hit more tbs

about the only difference

[olive wraith]

We tb spam

[sullen dove]

quite pog

[olive wraith]

[fluid pollen]

Cool I dig a good ol’ TB anyway

[fading sky]

Big clapper should clap

[storm birch]

kinda pumps

[kind wind]

Thunderblast - the real 1 button rotation

[storm birch]

5 target dummy for like idk 4 mins idk how to check the length

[final eagle]

Mmmm

but 2mill behind hunter and dk xdd

[jolly marten]

its ridiculous how low dmg does OF

should i try changing to bladestorm as mountain thane?

[young swan]

definitely not

[jolly marten]

dont know, maybe maybe theres something there

[static loom]

Friendly reminder that Roar is our lowest prio filler spell

[jolly marten]

should we change to champions spear then?

[static loom]

Current sims says yes

[jolly marten]

oh youre cooking something

[tiny estuary]

Share your sim

[static loom]

It's still W.I.P.

I can share a pic real quick of an earlier sim, of the optimal opener

[jolly marten]

do we prioritize BT now for fishing Thunder blast procs?

[inland flame]

Ye

[peak lagoon]

delete all rb talents

press funny bt button

[jolly marten]

rb will be a filler or something

[winter shoal]

HOLY

[jolly marten]

anger management vs reckless abandon?

[static loom]

AM

[jolly marten]

you are the man Arri

[young swan]

aari

arri even

[tiny estuary]

PTR server’s up?

[static loom]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-sorry-arri-yakuza-gif-1070194152504138768

[south kayak]

Opposite of Slayer

[peak lagoon]

hop on RA bt maxxing slayer

[jolly marten]

now lets hope that they wont nerf it.. like they did with arms

[inland flame]

It's really weird it obviously such an imba tier set but Fury needs it so bad

[peak lagoon]

tier is gonna get touched

because thane prot is doing funny things with it

[jolly marten]

vdh is doing funny things for like how many time now?

i dont see havoc getting stray nerfs

[limber oar]

This might be the funniest tierset ive ever seen

Spamming tblast like we’re a ret pally spamming divine storm

[jolly marten]

its very rng and proccy to be honest.. sometimes it feels like god of thunder sometimes it feels like ok

[inland flame]

There can definitely be dry spells but it isn't too bad, 35% chance is p high

[limber oar]

Also remembering the feedback loop

Every reset tblast gives a chance at empowered BT which can chain back into my tblasts

Its good content

Obvi you wanna hit the jackpot of 5 resets in a row but this sounds fun, interesting, and proccy

[jolly marten]

what i hate is that sometimes i got some lucky procs of Thunder blast and i want to pop Avatar and im holding to throw the 4set procs first

[south kayak]

Might seem that way but Thane prot's damage breakdown is pretty much similar just way bigger TB damage

[limber oar]

Instead if a boring x dmg inc no change to rota

[inland flame]

Spamming the heck outta BT makes a little more noticable too

[jolly marten]

it always was on single target to be fair

[young swan]

this is probably the best talent parity we've had all xpac tbh

all because of the tierset change

[south kayak]

And this is why they did hero talent tier sets

(I believe)

[sullen cloak]

Is prot warrior looking good damage wise ?

[young swan]

maybe ask #protection

[dense elbow]

Is arms warrior looking good damage wise ?

[winter shoal]

No

Well col is fine in aoe

[dense elbow]

[south kayak]

Is Bigbowwl looking good dooming wise

[orchid dagger]

Maybe

[dense elbow]

One spec is not treated like the other here

this is spec discrimination

[young swan]

correct

penance for being discriminated against in group finder

[jolly marten]

what about snap induction? a hero talent, im pretty sure noone even knows it exist

[young swan]

nah

[static loom]

Dog doodoo

[south kayak]

because it's trash

[young swan]

it was considered very briefly yesterday

[modest condor]

by people who have never looked at it before maybe

[young swan]

dan suggested it....

[south kayak]

There's no reason to take snap induction if you can get a lot more TBs now lol

[modest condor]

dan doesnt know how bad it is then

[summer quail]

vdh not doing funny damage tho

[young swan]

does snap induction proc off of UF

[modest condor]

no

[young swan]

oh wow

[modest condor]

it would be like suggesting to drop unhinged for onslaught

[south kayak]

Wait, why the fuck would it proc off UF lol

[modest condor]

that's how big of a difference the 2 talents are

[young swan]

okay well it could be good if it procced off of UF and UF was still 20% chance

[jolly marten]

are you sure? i mean its a single target spell anyway

is it such a dps loss?

[south kayak]

Lightning Strikes are very important

and the more TBs we do

[jolly marten]

lighting strike hit for like 1million

[south kayak]

the stronger they are

[jolly marten]

and one target

[young swan]

they proc burst of power and burst of power gives you more tblast

[jolly marten]

i can see why its way better in single target

[modest condor]

you're already pressing thunder blast so often

[south kayak]

this is Lightning Strike on a single target in 3 mins or so

[summer quail]

they're a decent part of your overall

[south kayak]

80% of this damage goes out the window if you take snap induction

if you take snap

[young swan]

they also give you rage

[south kayak]

rage doesn't matter

[young swan]

which is epic

[jolly marten]

no its not that you dont proc at all lighting strikes

[south kayak]

we have an abundance of it

[inland flame]

They cleave because of Ground Current, but they can also give us Avatar procs and the spam BT proc, and give rage

They do a lot

[junior gate]

So thane fury isn’t a s3 meme anymore?

[south kayak]

exactly

which loops into more TB procs

it's all part of the loop

remove that talent and you break everything

[jolly marten]

ground current does 74K dmg

im not saying that it is the best option

[south kayak]

Why are you focusing on one thing lol

[jolly marten]

im just saying

[south kayak]

we are literally telling you how important it is

1 TB every reck

vs lightning strikes every TB

it's no brainer

which begs the question

why the fuck is snap induction even talent lol

[young swan]

storm of steel moment

dancing blades moment

[jolly marten]

ok ok guys.. god

[winter shoal]

I never doom (real (not clickbait))

[south kayak]

I honestly think this talent should be something along the lines of "During Avatar, the chance to proc TB is increased by 100%"

maybe not 100%

but something

[young swan]

yesterday I was saying they should just make our current tier set the capstone

[south kayak]

they might do that tbh

in midnight

I think they're gonna do it if we like it

They usually do stuff for sets people liked

plenty of them are previous tier sets

tbh avatar of the storm is a pretty good capstone

but this is trash

lmao

10% is insanely low proc chance

for a proc

[young swan]

its like

10%

on a 15%

its shit

[south kayak]

I did notice that I get a lot more avatar procs on the PTR though

mainly due to the set

[young swan]

granted this new tierset makes it a lot better

so who knows

[south kayak]

true

[inland flame]

Yeah relying on proc chains was always a criticism of the spec from the second it was announced

[south kayak]

should be at least 30%

I had this idea to make your lightning strikes hit targets every few secondss during avatar

like druids old hurricane

[modest condor]

it procs about twice per minute or so from what i can see

that's about 50% extra avatar uptime

not that bad imo

no wait im dumb

i didnt take into account berserkers torment

recks also give avatar

ok so it procs about once per minute

that's pretty bad

[south kayak]

Avatar should also look different animation wise

if you talent into thane

https://tenor.com/view/thor-thor-infinity-war-gif-25139201

imagine if you had lightning all over your body

like this

during avatar

[inland flame]

would b neat

[south kayak]

the fact that they didn't implement that is puzzling to me, it's such an easy win

[inland flame]

I mean if hero talents are evergreen for reals they have plenty of time to work on cosmetics hopefully

[south kayak]

there are some hero talents that make your cds ors omething look different

[compact knot]

they nerfed the tier set with little number changes, but i think its like a 30% dps decrease

haha

[south kayak]

Good

Fuck them

[modest condor]

should be more than that

[inland flame]

It is pretty easy to get jealous of uncapped spread aoe as a Fury Warr lol

[south kayak]

Wasn't that the tier set making your starsurge hit for 200m

[modest condor]

delete boomkin from the game

[compact knot]

yes, also more than 200m

[south kayak]

Yeah no wonder they gutted it lol

they're gonna be fine

they always are

[compact knot]

its still a insane tier set on some fights

[south kayak]

Now i'm waiting for the BM pack set to be nerfed

[bitter palm]

bro its so funny

[south kayak]

What is

[bitter palm]

hoa first pull with lust

the 2 patrol

[south kayak]

[bitter palm]

wth shard on the left

[junior gale]

the clappa resets

[bitter palm]

also

play spear

trust

[silent burrow]

I am glad to have hoa back

[south kayak]

ok

is this correct

I love how there's barely any change between ST and AOE for thane

it's literally the same build

[modest condor]

uncapped lust pull and roar is 5% of your damage

[bitter palm]

nice shockwave

[bitter palm]

i think

a single tb with elysian might

does more

xddd

[south kayak]

WTF

[bitter palm]

cro

what is this

[south kayak]

All this time I was using sidearm

[bitter palm]

bloodborne ahh

2x deft

[south kayak]

instead of barbaric LAMO

[bitter palm]

NO

WARMACHINE

TWEAKING TREE

[south kayak]

idk where the fuck i got this from

[modest condor]

http://puu.sh/Kxc49/1693be7192.png

[bitter palm]

play something like this just change

roar to spear

[south kayak]

NO BOUNDING STRIDE

????????????????????

[eternal sundial]

who gaf

[modest condor]

what do you need bounding for

[inland flame]

Blast is massive and Roar is bad makes sense to me

[bitter palm]

come back to clappa

[eternal sundial]

cba

[south kayak]

it's just giga QOL

[modest condor]

where does the lower cooldown on leap help you?

[south kayak]

and the movement speed

[modest condor]

ive played without bounding for the 2nd half of this season and it's fine

[sullen dove]

second wind is a sham

[oblique thistle]

[modest condor]

second wind is situational but this season there are multiple dungeons where it's huge value

[eternal sundial]

i am not playing wow bro

i do not want to

[bitter palm]

idk its a stupid spell

works against shit it shouldnt

[bitter palm]

clappa is calling

[inland flame]

I miss back in the days when we could negate Bursting with it (I do not miss bursting).

[silent burrow]

relax

[bitter palm]

i miss it

[sullen dove]

I think that guy misses bursting

[bitter palm]

seeing everyone tick down wiht like 12 stacks

maybe not 12

but a lot of stacks

and im just chilling

[sullen dove]

Chat can we force having a priest healer in every single high key during bursting week

let’s get a mass dispel going

[bitter palm]

play 5 warriors

[bitter palm]

ye thats my tree

[sullen dove]

our tree

https://tenor.com/view/meme-our-now-gif-21036569

[bitter palm]

id say steadfast as the peaks > keep your feet on the ground

[oblique thistle]

Guys are we back?

[sullen dove]

more back than currently

true

[vernal laurel]

Sim PTR numbers

[warm crag]

im not entirely sure how this works but you have ptr raidbots here https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot

although i wouldnt put too much weight into ptr sims tuning cycle is not done yet

[clever belfry]

sponbus

[warm crag]

hello anda57

[dense sedge]

Erm I’m not having enough rage when I pop avatar and reck and charging unsure why

[vernal laurel]

Thanks and yeah I am aware, its just for personal testing.
But how do you get the SimC string? The addon does not work on the PTR for me.

[warm crag]

dunno if thats even a thing, but you can just go reconstruct the character with raidbots tools

[clever belfry]

hello Spongie57

[inland flame]

Do you pop Reck before Avatar? You need Reck to be up first.

[vernal laurel]

Oh, I have never done that, is there some kind of guide to that?

Just always used the addon

[dense sedge]

Mhmmm I think so I just have a macro I’ll check now

[coarse nest]

You need to make sure you are flagged for combat before casting reck+ava > charge

Otherwise the game forces your rage to degrade by 1 and you won’t be able to rampage immediately

Thanks blizzard

[jolly marten]

first pulls on gambit with spear instead of Roar.. nat bad

[summer quail]

dk sandbagging

[modest condor]

giga sandbagging

or tank is just doing baby pulls

or both

[jolly marten]

or bad player, but also me aint that great player

[dense sedge]

What do you mean flagged for combat it’s just I normally let the adds be grouped then I’d use it and charge surely that’s in combat?

[smoky vale]

faero does 3x that guys damage

[south kayak]

7m TB

[glad coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/thunder-cats-thundercats-gif-23208761

[earnest shuttle]

so, they nerfed colossus, adjusted slayer and buffed the shit out of Thane?

[south kayak]

Yeah

[river loom]

we do dmg in aoe scenario ?

[earnest shuttle]

I just wish Blizz keeps things like this and let us have fun for once

[south kayak]

I saw that Ionizing Strikes does the same damage as LS

then I realized than Ionizing has 5 hits lol

[modest condor]

dont get too excited, we're still nowhere close to the meta specs in m+

and we have giga rng

[earnest shuttle]

not close, but closer

[south kayak]

I can spam BS on PTR

that's a big buff

Battle Shout

[summer quail]

don't you see the screenshot? we're almost as good as fdk! 🙂

[river loom]

Gotcha, good we do decent dmg in single target ?

[south kayak]

We don't have to be

[pine gust]

Are we good at 5 target scenarios though?

[south kayak]

we just have to be above average IMO

[warm crag]

idk not fucked with ptr sims yet

there should be documentation on this somewhere

[jolly marten]

we were almost in a state that we were doing tank dmg.. let us enjoy a little

[sullen dove]

The meat is raw

[dense sedge]

One more question I’m using luxthos’s weak aura it says ravager is off cd sometimes but it isn’t. Anyone else experienced this

[smoky vale]

my fish has a sword

[jolly marten]

it happens to me with bladestorm

[dense sedge]

Strange, I remember it happening with bladestorm too when I was playing slayer in s1. Not experienced this with any of there other weak aura packs

[summer quail]

might be the weekly affix messing with the weakaura somehow

the cdr one

[south kayak]

10 ionizing strikes in 2 mins

[inland flame]

much zap many wow

[dense sedge]

Ah that could be it thanks mate

[south kayak]

I remember when melee for fury was like 7% damage

lol

[silent burrow]

In st

[modest condor]

kinda crazy what happened to auto attacks

[south kayak]

That's ST

[silent burrow]

oh fuk lol

[south kayak]

Honestly I don't mind this tbh

if they were high, you'd be punished a little bit more for having to do mechanics

[silent burrow]

I was about to say that

[south kayak]

Auto attacks used to be very high pre Legion

then legion kind of made abilities do way more

[modest condor]

i dont see how auto attacks are punished by having mechanics

[south kayak]

and auto attacks very little

but fury had a lot of AA mods in legion

so it was higher

[modest condor]

how much of our damage was auto attacks?

[south kayak]

Legion?

8%

or so

[modest condor]

it's been like that all the way up to and including df

[inland flame]

I think he might mean like when you have to run away and not being in melee but you can still hit stuff with clap/blast etc maybe

[modest condor]

it's only this expansion that auto attacks started doing 0 damage

hell, in df s3 if you include the damage bonus from annihilator auto attacks were like 20% of our damage

[south kayak]

That is one part of it

[south kayak]

They never buffed them this expansion

we got our rotation abilities buffed b]y 50% or so

and a lot more before that and after

auto attacks never got buffed

[modest condor]

ok 20% was a bit of an exaggeration my smolderon log had 12% damage from melee+anni

[south kayak]

I can't see legion logs

because it's archived

it was high in antorus

and you also had that trinket

that procced from auto attacks or something?

[maiden ingot]

You mean Khaz'goroth trink

[south kayak]

so it was even more than 8% lol

this trinket was stronger on fury iirc

because of their fast AAs

[modest condor]

in bfa we also had an azerite trait that made auto attacks stronger

[south kayak]

30% damage taken

[summer quail]

check nymue instead. smolderon has damage amps

gonna skew it a little

[south kayak]

Now we have a lot of HP and we don't even have damage taken

wild

[modest condor]

doesnt nymue do as well?

[summer quail]

no

[willow cradle]

We even get dr now 🙂

[modest condor]

i thought there was a damage amp during the stun

[south kayak]

doesn't nymue go immune

[summer quail]

or you can do volcoross

[south kayak]

yeah it's crazy

[modest condor]

yeah guess ill check volcoross

[south kayak]

10% DR during enrage

[maiden ingot]

Volcoross is the closest to a glorified target dummy, so probably the better call, yeah

[modest condor]

13% on volcoross

so didnt make a big difference

[south kayak]

wtf mutou

you had him work hard

for nothing

[inland flame]

I wonder what this new tier set is gonna do to Feet on the Ground uptime

Such tough many wow

[south kayak]

oh my god

do not SAY

ANYHING ABOUT THIS

zip

[inland flame]

Uh oh is this part of the Prot strays meme

[south kayak]

Colossus is tankier than Thane still

[modest condor]

imagine not playing steadfast

[south kayak]

if this stays like this

you'll be playing feet on the ground

[modest condor]

i like having 2mil hp more than other dps in my group

[south kayak]

is that the one that reduced reck cd

by 0.2

[modest condor]

yeah

[south kayak]

I forgot it's name

[modest condor]

reckless flurry

[south kayak]

Yeah

[modest condor]

which you ignored because it was better to delay it to line up with sb

[south kayak]

I think we used it a bit

[modest condor]

we used it in s1 and s2 until cshb took over

[south kayak]

Good old CSHB

now its a shell of its former self

[modest condor]

[summer quail]

fair enough

[south kayak]

I keep wishing for them to buff CSHB

[modest condor]

15% damage from cshb

[south kayak]

but they don't care for it

[modest condor]

which was 100% leech

what do you mean OP selfhealing

[south kayak]

Would you want a CSHB buff

[maiden ingot]

Tfw we lose Deep Wounds, so we can eventually get Leeching Deep Wounds, only to lose Leeching Deep Wounds again and then get it back as a 2% Gain.

[modest condor]

im always ok with more self healing

[south kayak]

I remember when you used to post HPS logs

in bfa

[river loom]

Good old times

[modest condor]

it used to do like 4-5% of our damage or something at the start of df

and then everything else got buffed

[south kayak]

yeah, it never got buffed

[modest condor]

i had a shadhar log where i got like 3 targeted heals on me or something

healers just completely ignored me

because i healed it all back up myself anyway

[south kayak]

no wonder they nerfed the healing from CSHB lmao

Do you remember that

when they nerfed BT to 3% healing instead of 5%

and CSHB

I don't remember when that was

SL?

[modest condor]

yeah

[inland flame]

CSHB is like the only positive memory I have about azerite gear

[modest condor]

they nerfed all dps selfhealing going into sl

[south kayak]

I loved Unbridled Rage

[modest condor]

and then we got it back in df anyway

with the leech talent and cshb

[south kayak]

Classic

[modest condor]

sometimes i get like 500k-1mil leech ticks in big aoe pulls

[south kayak]

I played all of BFA

I had fun tbh

[modest condor]

780k leech on this one https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1380980266188668958/image.png?ex=6877f298&is=6876a118&hm=ec153e404c5b42ad6a972eb5806ae8fa3114c61478a8f048a53eccfb893f73c5&

[south kayak]

lol

I just remembered something

Affliction in Legion was the king of self healing lol

[inland flame]

There are things to complain about but I do think that BFA is remembered too harshly

Azerite neck essences were a cool system and corruptions were fun once you got them

[south kayak]

They had Drain Soul which did insane damage AND also self healed you for 300% of the damge or something

I remember getting hit by an ability by 70% of my hp

using drain soul

full hp in 2 seconds

[silent burrow]

you were genuinely invincible in that moment

[maiden ingot]

MoP Second Wind in PvP before they nerfed it.

[south kayak]

It got nerfed immediately after legion lol

they made it not heal AT ALL

I think that's when they reintroduced Drain Life as a healing ability

[modest condor]

bfa was only fun at the end of 8.2 and the end of 8.3 if you played throughout the whole expansion, otherwise it was shit

[summer quail]

correct. drain soul was drain life and drain soul in 1 ability in legion

[south kayak]

It's insane to me how that drain soul healing survived the entirety of Legion

how did u even kill an aff in pvp

[summer quail]

prob did reduced healing in pvp

[south kayak]

yeah most likely

[silent burrow]

the infinite corruption deal was incredible in pvp lol

[south kayak]

Absolute Corruption, I think that's not permanent anymore in PvP

it is in PvE

[silent burrow]

It was permenant in pvp

[south kayak]

I know it was,

[iron portal]

And only when you finished the cloak grind

[south kayak]

We're talking about BfA and Razonko shows up

[iron portal]

I had a good run in BFA

[south kayak]

I started mythic raiding in BfA

I was trash looking back lol

[modest condor]

no i made it to the end of 8.3 while playing the whole expansion without finishing my cloak grind

[south kayak]

wasn't the cloak max rank 12

it's like that in my bank

[modest condor]

maybe, but you had to keep farming to increase the corruption resistance

[iron portal]

Silm sarcasm is unbecomming of you

[south kayak]

I think the really bad part of BFA was that it stripped Legion's class design and rotations

and made them worse

they should have just kept going with better adjustments

instead of completely changing this and remove the weapon abilities

Havoc was absolute trash in bfa

because their baseline damage was useless due to the removal of weapon passives

lol

[iron portal]

BFA was only time I liked chasing healing logs

[modest condor]

wasnt havoc literally just 4 abilities with no interactions on anything

[south kayak]

yeah Havoc has come a long way

it's like a complete spec now

instead of chaos strike spam

or eye beam in m+

[silent burrow]

ayeee

[inland flame]

Although didn't they have a moment with one of the tier sets on the PTR just now where Chaos Strike was better than Blade Dance so they stopped using Dance on ST? Lol. I think they already fixed it with tuning but it's a funny thought.

[modest condor]

at least they eventually got something cool with the bote eyebeam merektha's fang fel barrage combo

[south kayak]

lmao

yeah that was interesting

channel spec

havoc was also really strong on shadhar

because of the falling stars corruption

due to their haste

[modest condor]

yeah

fury haste was pretty spicy as well

we didnt peak as high as dh with their eyebeam, but i basically had permanent 100% haste

[south kayak]

I'm sad that fury didn't really have a way to scale well in 8.3

it was all about arms

and the haste scaling

with ToM

[modest condor]

yeah