fury

[dense elbow]

If we ain't last, we get blast

Fury Warrior, a nerfed spec near you!

side effects include failed keys, stress, headaches, low Rio, long qué times, always consult your doctor before playing

[cosmic sundial]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1179738834808881212/1204229772851417088/IMG_1114.gif

[undone flower]

After what amount of time we are not a nerfed spec anymore ?

[orchid dagger]

When you reroll

[cosmic sundial]

WoW 2

[dense elbow]

When we ain't 10-20% behind an equal skilles and geared player, in a non meme scenario

[undone flower]

In m+

[dense elbow]

Needless to say with context, but yeah 👍 save me the headache of raidlog Andy going "achtualzzhyy"

[undone flower]

[cosmic sundial]

Speaking of dps I broke 3mil on gally tonight after not playing for 2 weeks, that was nice

[dense elbow]

Is that good nowadays

[cosmic sundial]

No

But it is for me

[dense elbow]

Well, in that case, I am glad for your feeling of accomplishment

[cosmic sundial]

It’s the best I’m gonna do at this point

[dense elbow]

Best you gonna do

This far

[undone flower]

[cosmic sundial]

I mean to beat the dead horse, I just don’t trust anyone with the bombs

So I be leaping with em

[dense elbow]

Here come the excuse train, chuu chuu, last stop Copiumville

[cosmic sundial]

I’m gonna huff it all day long

[dense elbow]

If you a fury warrior, ya an addict to the point of resistance
Better up the purity

[undone flower]

Oh you meant in hero, it is good indeed 3 m no ?

[cosmic sundial]

Yeah on hero. It’s an 80 parse

[undone flower]

Gg

[cosmic sundial]

Ggs only

[last falcon]

What are your thoughts on fury will we get buffs before season comes out ?

[young swan]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[radiant plank]

🔮

[last falcon]

inhaling daily.

[sudden tusk]

there are still some things that are def not balanced correctly

[last falcon]

At least we have raids to look forward to

[sudden tusk]

but we will be fine

[last falcon]

Zug Zug

[sudden tusk]

since we give the hunters 5% more damage

becuase the true reality is

you dont need to be the best

you just need to be a better option then prot warrior

[fading sky]

Last i checked prot warrior fucks atm?

As in, in ptr🤣

[sudden tusk]

depends on what you need in raid

[fading sky]

Always dmg

[sudden tusk]

self sustain/ utility/raid buffs are all major considerations for your comp in mythic

[fading sky]

I mean bm-prot i reckon in raid

[sudden tusk]

Prot pally/monk/bdk all look quite good although if frost somehow doesnt get shot you might not see bdk

[fading sky]

If theres not to much magic dmg

If there is some cheese bdk

[sudden tusk]

prot pally has been getting owned in raid. also most of the raid damage is magic making bdk very durable

[fading sky]

2 dks aint bad anymore

[sudden tusk]

though we only had normal ilvl gear during testing

[fading sky]

Amz is good in new raid

[sudden tusk]

brew is also doing very well and might be a good option for people who dont have a good ww monk

[fading sky]

Y in raid fury warrior might not be dead at all

I still say buff rally🤣

I still think dps warrior needs help, and the like 5-6 outlier specs needs a nerf🤣

Or mby its morr

[sudden tusk]

i mean outside of the overtined specs fury performs quite well

overtuned*

[radiant plank]

in raid only*

[sudden tusk]

we at least have arms for M+

though fury needs an entire overhaul to fix its aoe issues

[radiant plank]

12.0

[sudden tusk]

one of the things especially with the AM playstyle is that uptime is monsterous for performance

you can and will do everything to keep uptime

its technically the same for other melee, but some of them have options (ret pallies blow up) in any situation where its all or nothing for us

anywho bed time

[fading sky]

Tbf buff ra

So its the better uptime in raid content

[turbid bay]

would love for a small buff to reckless abandon

that way our damage profile is a bit more customisable in raid

cause AM is good obviously on a fight like gally for example but you are holding cds for adds like recklessness and bladestorm

has anyone tried RA on gally i reckon it might not be too bad

i really like AM but i think if it was more like how it was in S1 bringing AM for something like broodtwister its probably healthier for fury

[narrow fossil]

Hi which embelishment is better for raid? Ascendance or extra versa over 80% hp?¿

[storm rune]

Can't run ascendance with a myth BIS and Capital Punisher

[bitter palm]

ye but unfortunately RA is shit

[smoky vale]

good morning @bitter palm @radiant plank

[bitter palm]

gm gio

[south kayak]

gm gio

I think I wanna main heal this tier

with a strong m+ option

what's a good one

[smoky vale]

too soon to know bud

[south kayak]

True

[bitter palm]

hpal

does anyone play hpal

[south kayak]

I don't like ret

[bitter palm]

except ellesmere

[bitter palm]

wait for warrior healer 12.0

idk resto druid

[south kayak]

I meant a strong dps option for m+ here

[bitter palm]

[south kayak]

I was thinking shaman or priest

druid has 2 dps so that's good too

but I don't like the dps druid specs

[bitter palm]

and both are good

well boomie is better but ye

[south kayak]

boomie is the most boring spec ever

[bitter palm]

people sleeping on feral as per usual

[south kayak]

I like feral

[bitter palm]

true

[warm crag]

you are a fury onetrick

[bitter palm]

also true

[south kayak]

bro what

I haven't played fury for 2 seasons now

[bitter palm]

yapyap

[warm crag]

ad hominem attack + you lost composure

[south kayak]

lmao

[warm crag]

pack it up box

[south kayak]

it's over

[bitter palm]

box it up pack

[warm crag]

box it up pauck?

[bitter palm]

@clever path hi

[south kayak]

Feral does look more fun especially with the claw set

I'm leveling a monk so i can test it on ptr

WW has target cap issues tho so idk if I wanna play that for m+

Imagine going from a target capped spec to another one

[bitter palm]

thats like leveling a warrior

leveling a dps spec of the class to play the tank spec of the class

[south kayak]

wdym

[karmic crow]

Did you have a chance to look at my log from yesterday?

[clever path]

Hi

[bitter palm]

oh monk signed up. not brewmaster. declined

[bitter palm]

sup gurt

gurtling

[south kayak]

Real

I just wanna see if i like the set for ww

SPriest is looking good so far and I like both priest healing specs

idk

[smoky vale]

i was on phone can now, but you never added any other ring lol

[karmic crow]

True, in that sim I was only doing gems, I did a gear sim where I simmed the other two rings and circlet was still better

[clever path]

Gio

Isnt it like 5 am

[smoky vale]

yeah

[bitter palm]

hooooly

[smoky vale]

is pauckus adopting a cT

[bitter palm]

he is armed and dangerous

[south kayak]

I'm way too obsessed with dps so I just wanna relax and play heal @bitter palm

[bitter palm]

maybe im consumed by greed

[south kayak]

surely no healing obession

[bitter palm]

but as heal i dps maxx

[south kayak]

im just obsessed to an unhealthy level tbh

it's very detrimental

[smoky vale]

does pressing the report button raidbots show me stats

i want to see ratings

[eternal sundial]

Do a quicksim and click htmp rep

It's in there

[smoky vale]

?

[bitter palm]

sidebar on the right

after u do a sim

unless top gear is big

then it wont let you

no other way afaik

[smoky vale]

top gear big

[bitter palm]

unlucky

[smoky vale]

idk bro has 10k vers for fun

[smoky vale]

yeah idk

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qA5hdUgFVPDYPzzADenExp

i got you 1k more

@karmic crow

[bitter palm]

did you do augury neutral sim brainrot in 10.2

23598 10 mil iterations stat weights and shit

that was peak

[bitter palm]

for arms*

[remote bobcat]

mornin

[smoky vale]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nuxJ4BauvDxKd2XQvyttcB

this is what i can get

idk

[gleaming siren]

Gio who let you cook

[clever belfry]

Gio57

[compact siren]

leave the cooking to galastronk

[bitter palm]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-balloon-shaking-gifdopedrao-gif-18309166828393550457

[compact siren]

LCGIOPGH

[clever belfry]

LCGIOPGH

[smoky vale]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q35wbYCy4rnpNkty9MeJRj

i cannot make the number go up anymore

gg

[bitter palm]

change all gems and enchants for 0.4% yep

[south kayak]

can this experiment mount drop or something

[radiant plank]

gm Gio75

[molten night]

tasty

also GM

[summer quail]

go play aug then, there is nothing wrong with being mentally ill

[shadow flame]

am I the only one thinking that the mystic touch buff is going to fk us even more, in terms of balancing

[remote bobcat]

no this is obvious

people who like this change dont understand it

[summer quail]

Except monks. Monk players are the only ones that should like it

[remote bobcat]

okay valid argument, but even they should see how dumb it is

[coarse nest]

The buff would be great if it was a bonus on top of tuning

Except it’s not a bonus and we’re just 8% below standard without it

To know for sure you’d have to take a wizard spec and sim it without chaos brand and then sim a physical spec and sim it without mystic touch

Are the differences in loss remotely equal?

Even that wouldn’t give you a true answer

[smoky vale]

just always play with a monk

[gleaming siren]

Oh I like this meta

[north geyser]

when does slayer press bloodthirst in aoe vs single target? always 85% crit and 30% when you have vicious contempt or is it worth trying for reap the storms procs in aoe?

[fluid pollen]

When are the buffs coming?

[north geyser]

lol. lmao, even.

[dark rain]

for low level m+ key (under 10 ) is it better to go slayer or mountain thane ?

[plush zephyr]

Mmmmm I just send it when my wa tells me to, and follow the prio guide

[plush zephyr]

Imo fury slayer in m+ is trolling

But you can do it just fine

But thane does more damage

[north geyser]

not even in TOP that has basically no big pulls?

[plush zephyr]

This late in the season it really doesn’t matter though @dark rain play what’s fun to you

[clever belfry]

ew.

[plush zephyr]

I mean, sure. But thane will still do more overall.

Will excel in boss damage but thane does ok boss damage already

[radiant plank]

it wasnt that bad

first time tasting

[heavy galleon]

how much difference there is between slayer and MT on M+ right now ?

[gusty maple]

doesnt really matter just make sure you keep battle shout on your team

you can expect to be last on dps unless your group has no idea what they're doing

[radiant plank]

on aoe or in bosses?

bosses slayer leads

aoe mt leads

on live

[dense elbow]

Depends on what meteric you are wondering about:
Rio: Best Fury Thane is 3917, best Fury Slayer is Rustlord at 3599.

DPS wise, Slayer sit around 800-900k boss, 4-5m overall. Thane sits around 900k to 1m on bosses, and 4.5-5.5 overall.

For comparison, arms does 1m to 1.1m boss DPS and 5.5-6m overall.

(Just so I dont get shot, Slayer do more pure ST DPS, but most bosses isn't solo events. You drag mobs under them, they are duo bosses and so on)

Keep in mind these numbers are a bit off thanks to the very (arguably) better players do play Thane, and most Fury Warriors that invest a lot of time into M+ play Thane. This goes for Fury Vs Arms as well. Yet, dont undersell those who don't play the optimal picks. Its just something to keep in mind when looking at the data.

Personal experience and observation; Slayer is basically Thane, only with 5-15% weaker DPS in effect. Thane does what Slayer does, just better (even the AoE burst). Slayer is just more fun in my opinion gameplay wise.

Now that said, if you going to decide between the two - the difference between going Thane or Slayer is small, compared to the difference of going Arms Vs Fury.

So in the end, if you going down the road of playing Fury for Fun, then Slayer or Thane are basically equally good choices to bring.

[iron portal]

Is this your making kitty or copypasta of someone else

[dense elbow]

I dont need copypasta, I am the pasta maker

[iron portal]

Approved

[whole yacht]

kitty 100% copy pasta'd

[dense elbow]

My only regret is not using the wording "equally shit"

[iron portal]

Approved mostly in regards to pasta

https://tenor.com/view/lionfield-approved-gif-11013506147303049116

[quiet breach]

such a good flavor

[dark rain]

@dense elbow what is the gameplay difference between arms and fury ?

[elfin lodge]

fast pace smaller attacks vs slow big smacks

[dark rain]

are both of them easy to play ? for someone on controller

[elfin lodge]

very

[dense elbow]

Best way to find out, is to try both. But in short, Slayer focus more on creating a burst window. While Thane focuses more on just continuing the fluid gameplay loop Fury has - having it less 'interupted' by burst CDs

[iron portal]

Most specs are simple tbh

[marble pilot]

Melee brain makes me struggle with ranged specs. Hard to still my feet to actually cast things

But that doesnt make the ranged specs any harder. Just me having a skill issue

[vernal fiber]

im a newish 80 alt, whats the best way to get 2x 2h heroic weapons?

[marble pilot]

If you wont craft a 681 then the dinars can buy you one of em.

Or puzzeling cartel chips whatever they are called this time

[vernal fiber]

good idea, i could craft one but i dont have any gilded atm

unless i can somehow xfer them?

[dark rain]

dinar wont be useful for next season ?

[marble pilot]

Cant transfer but you can get like 41 a week now from t11 delves. Which are very very easy as prot

[vernal fiber]

i see, you go prot and set bran to dps?

[marble pilot]

I highly doubt you can use the cartel chips from this season to buy next seasons hero gear

[marble pilot]

Yeah you go prot with dps brann then laugh and question why everyone complains about delves as you walk through it without a care in the world

[vernal fiber]

cheers

gotta find a sheild naow

[marble pilot]

Remember though that week 1 of season 3 we will get a lot of much better gear though. So you dont need to do too much effort. Full champ gear with some hero items is probably plenty

[vernal fiber]

aye

just want hero weps

[marble pilot]

Can also gamble with timewalking cache. It gives hero gear. Or run m+6 Im pretty sure +6 is the hero gear cutoff point

[dense elbow]

Easiest is probably to just do the Visions, as you can unlock a HC track weapon to buy for basically 0 effort

[vernal fiber]

ooo

should i do visions as prot with the helper?

[marble pilot]

Yeah I forget about visions. And never use the helper. Just go prot or fury for em

[dense elbow]

I wouldnt know, I just blast em down as whatever spec I prefer to play

[marble pilot]

I did it as both just fine. Trash is technically easier as prot cause you can pull more. Bosses were easier as fury cause the burst is higher. But both are fine. Never use the helper though

[vernal fiber]

thanks fam

[marble pilot]

I forgot the difficulty you need for hero gear. Is it 3 masks or 5?

I think its 5

[dense elbow]

Pretty sure it was like 1 mask or something super ez like that

5 mask was for 5track hero drop gear

this is the most I thought about hero track gear since TWW launch

[marble pilot]

Wowhead says 4 mask is a 2/6 hero piece. ANd 5 mask is when gildeds start dropping.
Vendor im trying to figure out

[dense elbow]

Vendor says tho, if you hower over it, so wont be too hard for the lad to just spot

[marble pilot]

Yeah im at work though and stalling on actually working

[dense elbow]

Same, I got to go through some paperwork, and I am really not motivated to do it just now

Skyhold - the place to be to procastinate

[marble pilot]

Best I can find. Need a single 5 mask clear to unlock the hero tier vendor

Which in my opinion 5 mask was very easy to do not really any different from 3 masks.
8 was annoying but not particularly hard either. Though I was 670ish when I did them.

Only two hard masks are the 400% sanity damage taken and the halved total sanity. Everything else was either mildly annoying or actively useful lol

[iron portal]

Sanity damage is just be aware and dodge mechanics, halved sanity is what really actively puts you on clock. However , when you get nemesis mask you basically never run out of sanity. Granted, you gotta keep moving and pay attention

[marble pilot]

Yeah more mobs and nemesis means free sanity all run. And the only real annoying sanity things on 8 mask were the bugs in rexxar wing that stun you then sanity cap you before the stun ends. Rexxar himself with the boar charges. And the mage/alleria in stormwind. Mage was fine but could be annoying when just spam casting. But alleria just never moving out of her own ground effects was annoying.

[odd cipher]

when i do 5 masks on alts, i always put on half sanity, its never an issue with nemesis and whole tree of research

[marble pilot]

I havnt really tried it on alts. But I can see it being easier. Better than the double affix or maybe the ground circles.

[sullen dove]

90% reduced drain also means u lose nothing

Halved sanity barely even matters

Don’t even need to use any orb in an 8mask probably

It is cringe u can’t really dodge the berserkers throw slam in org only real unfair shit with the 400% more sanity

[bitter palm]

easy as arms to

too

both dps warriors are insanely tanky anyway

[compact knot]

fury is like the best open world spec in the game

maybe thats why we always suck in m+

[marble pilot]

I wouldnt know I havnt seriously played arms since like MoP.

[gusty maple]

they need to nerf that shit until brann gets toxic at you for low dps in delves

[marble pilot]

And yeah the solo ability of fury/warrior in general is one of the big reasons why I struggle to play alts. Warrior is just better. As long as you dont look at m+ numbers

[compact knot]

yeah like soloing 11 delves on my mage is actually hell

warrior just payphones through it

[bitter palm]

100%

arms is near the top as well

iv is just ridiculous

dbts

literal immunity

for 8s

[marble pilot]

Yeah on my evoker I have to go slow and go pack by pack. On my warrior I just yolo till its over.
My record t11 delve is a sidestreet sluice in 4 min 16 seconds. But I was playing prot not fury

[bitter palm]

same with fury and er

[bitter palm]

i just pull everything in a line pop dbts stack demolish and oneshot the pack

[compact knot]

dps brann lowkey underrated

he does hella burst aoe

[marble pilot]

Running as tank with dps brann is goated. Im doing 2-3m and brann is doing another 2-6m. Depending on when he throws the grenade

[summer quail]

yuh. dps brann as a tank or just a tanky dps is the way to go

[marble pilot]

Also bioprint is amazing at least for some specs. I heard it scales with weapon damage or something. So melee specs its good casters it kinda sucks?

[iron portal]

There is way to dodge it though

[rocky wharf]

Looking for a casual mythic raid alt, range class most similar to fury. Why i main fury: tanky, burst/snipe dps, and leap/mobility. Been leveling a hunter and mage and think they maybe close. Help me narrow to one for next season

[sour frigate]

Bm hunt

[rocky wharf]

Thx

[olive wraith]

I think mage is considered the sturdiest cloth. Plus great mobility

[bitter palm]

ye for mitigation

once alter time is gone u cant really heal

like upfront damage

they can legit not even take damage

[torpid elbow]

why isnt ptr servers up and running?

[olive wraith]

They’re currently working on fury buffs

[dense elbow]

We dont need any tho

I watched the PTR, we are in a fine spot to be

We are anywhere from low-end to high mid-end, hey with bad players, even close to the top! Perfectly balanced.

[rocky wharf]

Buff our melee range. Why we equip two 2h and have the shortest range!?!

[dense elbow]

dont be bad, just WW and heroic throw moew

[rocky wharf]

Jump and ww!

[olive wraith]

Isn’t all melee range the same now

[marble pilot]

Sorta. Some classes have a good % of damage coming from ranged attacks like ret pally and enhance shams

[undone flower]

Mostly ret no ?

Sham enhance doesn’t lose much without being in melee ?

But there is not only melees that can hit their gcd out of melee, there are others which don’t lose 90% of their dps if out of range (like rogue ass)

[tight idol]

For mugzee on p3 is it possible to keep mines cc’d and just burn boss?

[gilded pawn]

That doesn’t really matter if the rotation isn’t flowing right though

Just as a hypothetical, if BT was ranged

[brave kestrel]

time to reroll to dh I think

only solution

[gilded pawn]

Why would that matter if you still have to rampage in Melee

[marble pilot]

Oh I agree. Generally they need to still stay in melee range. But when a boss does leave they still have some buttons they can press unlike us who have what heroic throw and thats it

Though we often make up for that by just charging the boss. It isnt too often that a boss or mob is ranged only while also not having a huge damage reduction on it

Ret pally might cast judgement while running back into melee. But we just charge are are instantly there.

And things like stix where the boss is flying around they typically have like a 99% Damage reduction on them anyway so it doesnt matter.

[gilded pawn]

Ya I get what you are saying

It would feel better if you could get a cheeky ranged global in when you have to do a mech

In df there was a talent that lets your throw apply deep wounds though I’m not sure if that was prot only

[marble pilot]

Didnt stormbolt used to fill that role as well? I remember it doing damage when it didnt stun at some point in the past

[gilded pawn]

Not sure

I heard in mop it did 500% damage to bosses

Wrecking throw hits pretty hard rn

[marble pilot]

I think a few bosses this tier have shields as well. Might end up using wrecking throw a decent amount

[clever belfry]

balls

[chilly fractal]

Correct

[gilded pawn]

I’ve always taken wrecking throw

[echo rapids]

Enhance has to be in ascendance to do good damage from range

[south kayak]

You'd still rather be in melee

but it doesn't hurt as much

[slim coral]

Zorthas tier list ez

[hushed ocean]

honest

[olive wraith]

Frost dk isn’t s?

[south kayak]

I think all of those in S are getting nerfed

[slim coral]

its' literally in S

[olive wraith]

Oh shit I just saw stuff above it

My b

[south kayak]

no you're D

[dense elbow]

Another one of those?

Sec

[south kayak]

More people should put us in D so we get buffed

[dense elbow]

Boom

[south kayak]

HOLY

[dense elbow]

Funky, fixing tierlists since 2025

[south kayak]

we

SAVED

[olive wraith]

Dw thane tier buffs are coming

[south kayak]

they already came

[olive wraith]

Surely we get more

[south kayak]

Demo icon upside down looks like a spider

anyone else seeing it

[slim coral]

lets be real

that buff did nothing

[south kayak]

It absolutely did something

that's a lie

is it enough? no

but it did add like 10% dps lol

[olive wraith]

We totally have never had a 3% tier and not get buffed (don’t look at DF)

[south kayak]

in what world is that nothing

[olive wraith]

10? No

[south kayak]

about 10%

[olive wraith]

For st, not mt where we need it

[south kayak]

I'm talking about ST

[olive wraith]

No one is using thane for st

[south kayak]

MT isn't getting buffed unless they just remojve the proc chance or giga buff it

and make it reset the cd of BT

TB*

and I REALLY DOUBT they're doing that

[dense elbow]

We wont see any buffs, we are already doing mid-range DPS in raid

what we see is what we get

[echo rapids]

Greatest patch of all time for hunter they eating

[olive wraith]

Thane isn’t though

[slim coral]

thane is suppose to be the m+ spec so seeming how slayer is still gapping it in m+ the buffs did nothing

you still play slayer on ST

[south kayak]

Yeah I don't think blizzard wants thane to be useless in raid no matter how much we cope

or think otherwise

[slim coral]

so we just don't play thane at all now

[echo rapids]

Ret remains the GOAT 10-12 key level spec

[dense elbow]

Dont play Thane, so what is your experienced diff of the DPS between the two.
Slayer is already doom and gloom, bad. Sitting around 5-6m, how bad is Thane?

[south kayak]

Assuming the set goes unchanged until launch and afterwards, yes

[slim coral]

thane is like 500k behind overall last I checked

in m+

[dense elbow]

After two seasons of 500k lead, guess its Slayers time to "shine" as the dirtwater spec

[south kayak]

The only way that set would be great in AoE is if the proc chance is like 75%+ and the TB procs are reset by IS

[slim coral]

so like slayer does like 5.5M

Tahne does like 5M

[south kayak]

the more TB uses u get, the better the aoe will be

and I think the ionizing strike buff should instead go to TB in the 4p specifically

doesn't have to be 50% obviously, that's too much

[slim coral]

the real fix is just to make it so Thane cast Thunder Blast every time you Rampage

[dense elbow]

Oh right, I totally forget all the time, but they fixed the bug - so blast lost what, 40% dam?

My interest for Thane is very limited

[south kayak]

they thought the set buff was gonna compensate 💀

[dense elbow]

I am in camp:
Warrior dev knows whats up, but - he bashing heads against the balance team and his democratically supportive board of gamesafety.

[south kayak]

I don't know which is worse

[dense elbow]

I actually feel so sorry for the dev that pushed through OF against the storm, only for it to end up as it is right now. Probably still fighting nail and claw for evey 0.1% that can be scratched from the team decissions.

[south kayak]

Bro

what is this fantasy

none of this is happening

[dense elbow]

trust

[south kayak]

If someone in discord can come up with better solutions than devs then idk what to say

this is easy as fuck to fix and tune

make the proc chance high

reset tb

that's it

[dense elbow]

Yea, but what you dont get is - not all the devs want to fix the problem, as for them it isnt one

It is intended and functional

[south kayak]

if it's a problem for the playerbase, it is a problem for them

[dense elbow]

It is only a problem if the playerbase makes it a problem

aka quiting

ya know that aint happening

[south kayak]

the fact that the M+ spec isnt' even gonna be played in M+ is HUGE ALERT

[dense elbow]

At worst, you fomo

and that is a big win

[dense elbow]

Fury isnt played, huge W. Then they retune after, and all the fomo guys reroll causing metrics go up! Fury mains are happy, fomo is happy, win for all around.

Then the tuning wheel keeps turning. Voilá, the tuning falters again, fomo rerolls away - the Mains that was content, now got energy stored up to push through.

[south kayak]

I like how the rogue specs are all together lol

[dense elbow]

Based on those numbers, we are looking to be exactly where they want to put us

[frosty scroll]

buff fury baseg

[south kayak]

I think the problem is the outliners and some of the ones under

[dense elbow]

We get a buff, from Monk, arent you happy?

[south kayak]

but i think 5m is prob the target for s3

7m is insane lol

bm hunters' tier set is very insane

[dense elbow]

Ye, ignore the extreme outliers

[south kayak]

yeah if you ignore those which will obviously be nerfed

[dense elbow]

Or buffed, like Ele

[south kayak]

from bm all the way to marksman seems like outliners

[summer quail]

you mean fotm?

[dense elbow]

Yep

[summer quail]

those fotm guys rerolled after first week nerubar

[dense elbow]

I am glad you just nicely correct it, and dont go full hate on me

thank you

[south kayak]

I was a warrior main who rerolled to enha

in s1

[dense elbow]

Kick that guy

[summer quail]

you still enhance?

[south kayak]

no

evoker

[summer quail]

that's worse

[dense elbow]

... aug?

[south kayak]

and im switching to anotehr in s3

[south kayak]

no why would i play aug

[dense elbow]

I dunno

[summer quail]

i am swapping off warrior for the first time in many many years. going havoc

[dense elbow]

why would you skip warrior

it no make sense

[south kayak]

I'm actually gonna main a healer this time

I just don't know which one yet

[summer quail]

shaman for bingchilling m+

mw for raid

[south kayak]

I don't know about 2 healers

I want one that has a strong dps M+ option

[dense elbow]

MW for Phy M+ comp, please

I am gonna need you for keys

[south kayak]

I wannna raid as a healer and do m+ as a dps

mostly

[summer quail]

no i mean choose one. you either bingchill as shaman coz of m+ or you go mw for raid

[south kayak]

I like preist too

shadow is a good choice

kinda

[dense elbow]

They still silly broken?

Oh yeah they are

[south kayak]

Well, from the list yes but not to the extent of fdk or bm

[dense elbow]

I mean, last shadow I saw on the PTR in M+, pulled 20m a pack

then 7-8m on bosses

[south kayak]

their M+ performance doesn't seem that great but their st is insane which means that their m + performance is gonna go in the gutter if they nerf their ST, classic

[dense elbow]

I did 3m boss DPS, I felt stronk

Feels live DPS man

[south kayak]

I think they should get rid of psychic link

it's too reliant on ST damage

if they get nerfed because of their insane ST, their perforamnce in M+ will tank

[dense elbow]

Sounds like they are like Fury, eh?

[south kayak]

unless they buff psychic link which i don't think they might

yeah

even more so because they don't have any other cds

just psychic link

[dense elbow]

I mean, does Fury have CDs?

[south kayak]

actually they do have halo and the voidweaver aoe thing

[dense elbow]

[south kayak]

mb

[dense elbow]

Hm, I would prob keep shadow ready tho, if you enjoy the spec

[south kayak]

I want a strong option for raid that also has a dps spec that's strong for m+ lol

[summer quail]

lmao

[south kayak]

tough

druid and shaman would be the best just because they have 2 dps specs

and balance was meta in s2

but I hate balance

it's very boring

[dense elbow]

I mean, Shaman is usually always wanted in the raid in one form or another. Also always solid in M+

[south kayak]

press builder

spend

build spam

spend

over and over

[dense elbow]

Warrior is needed for raid, and it brings the AP% shout to boost whatever physical DPS that is the comp-carry

[south kayak]

[dense elbow]

So not too shabby for M+

[eternal sundial]

sl s2 ah ilvl

[south kayak]

warrior does not have heale spec

[dense elbow]

Shaman it is

[eternal sundial]

thank fuck it doesnt

[dense elbow]

Enjoy your blue life

[eternal sundial]

healing is for hotel chair users

[south kayak]

thoughts on maining a healer for raid with a strong dps for m+

[south kayak]

[eternal sundial]

raider

seek employment

[south kayak]

what's a hotel chair user lol

[eternal sundial]

tbh tho

[south kayak]

lmao

I get it now

[eternal sundial]

hotel chair users type shit

thats

[south kayak]

tbh i have a pretty unhealthy relationship with dps

it's very detrimental

Rather be a healer and relax in raids

not many options but at least it's more balanced

[remote zephyr]

Where do I go to look at patch notes? Wowhead is very confusing

I want to see the upcoming changes for classes but I can't find it

[marble pilot]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/the-war-within/patch-11-2-ghosts-of-karesh-overview

Start here the left banner has a bunch of tabs

Talent updates is where you should find most of the class changes.

[remote zephyr]

I see, ty

[clever path]

Matcha

[tepid cedar]

this might be insane with prot

[marble pilot]

Depends on if it counts as a bleed for the healing. But yeah sounds nice

[south kayak]

that's a 2h

[marble pilot]

Get out of here with your logic

[olive wraith]

Isn’t prot already getting massive overheads from fbv

[south kayak]

Imagine if prot warrior could use a 2h and a shield

[marble pilot]

Id never swap off

Well to be fair I want a sword and board dps. More like shield and spear dps but still

[south kayak]

you can transmog that tbh

[marble pilot]

Not as dps. You can spear and shield tank though yeah

Not as dps doing melee....

I guess like a holy pally can do it to

[south kayak]

would be cool on prot pally

since crusaders in d3 have a talent t hingy

that makes them able to equip a 2h and a shield lol

[marble pilot]

Gring back gladiator stance.
And let prot pallies wield 2 shields

[brittle crow]

2 shield is a prot warr aesthetic

ds3 door shield moment

[cyan star]

Can’t wait for paladins Shieldstorm ability

[slim coral]

It’s been 2 hours and no yapping guess fury is dead now

[young swan]

correct

[dense elbow]

Busy spending the night getting what little score I can

[slim coral]

By score you mean io?

[dense elbow]

yep, goal was 3.5k for the season, just got it done

[slim coral]

Hell yeah

[dense elbow]

wondering if I am gonna go for all 18s tho

seems managable

[slim coral]

You know fury is down bad when other classes are speaking up for us

[dense elbow]

Fury is shit tho

I am being boosted so hard by other specs

[slim coral]

True

[south kayak]

Where’s turbocone

[south kayak]

Let em keep speaking up

More traction

🫡

[earnest canyon]

He said Fury was so bad he has gone back to live in the forest with the animals

[dense elbow]

Worst part, ppl know we are shit when they bring us. You get so much pity as a Fury in a key. They go all "Hey, you did good bud, you did twice the interupts, we couldnt do it without you champ!" and so on

[south kayak]

I wanted to ask him regarding a Fanta flavor lol

[dense elbow]

I just wanna do grown up damage

[south kayak]

Too bad

[earnest canyon]

Make a bm hunter then you can go on cool adventures with your animal friends, but also do good damage

[dense elbow]

Hati do be a good boii

[calm swallow]

Which belt power are we supposed to use now? Critical Chain?

[covert coyote]

correct

[calm swallow]

Thanks 🙂

[bitter palm]

js go arms gang

(fury needs more than god atp)

[winter shoal]

slurry just needs a little more numbers esp in aoe

thane needs every god there's ever been a religion created for

[bitter palm]

bit more than little more ngl

[slim coral]

Rmpage should cast thunder blast for tier set

ez

[bitter palm]

and u would still be behind some classes

its cinema actually

[slim coral]

just make it so it cast thunder blast at 100 percent

ez

or 200 percent

[red berry]

thunder blast does more damage for every mob it hits

[dire vigil]

8+ target OF with AM CDR and we’re back in the game

[red berry]

buff odyns three more times

[dire vigil]

Havoc casts eye beam every 20 seconds, make OF the same with optimized CDR and let’s have some fun again

[slim coral]

yeah OF needs a buff

they should make it syngerize with thane in its tier set

[winter shoal]

I mean idk what the tuning benchmark they're looking for is, seems like some classes are more right-tail outliers than fury is a left-tail outlier

[dire vigil]

It’s literally an Odyn themed hero talent tree and we don’t use ODYNS FURY!!!

[red berry]

uncap ground current and buff it 50%

[winter shoal]

Buff slurry a bit, shoot fdk/balance/spriest/mage/hunter in the head

[red berry]

lmao

5 target cap and it tickles

[slim coral]

Buff Slane a lot

[winter shoal]

slane

[slim coral]

[winter shoal]

new thane tier set: get all the slayer talents

holy

[slim coral]

@winter shoal what do you think the new hero talents will be for warrior

[flat river]

new thane tier set: you are now ret paladin

[slim coral]

since they're probably gonna do new ones for midnight

[winter shoal]

idk any time I think anything sounds cool, Archi tells me why it's actually an awful idea

[slim coral]

Cosmic warrior

[winter shoal]

fan of longswords would be cinema tho

[slim coral]

W

Chain warrior

we have a chain now as our weapon

God of War warrior

[winter shoal]

Unpopular opinion but I'm a big fan of non-magical things in magical settings

Like okay yeah you have your lightning bolts and shit, but I have a big stick and I'm gonna bonk you with it

So I personally don't think anything needs to be omega flavorful in terms of like fantasy setting stuff

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/god-of-war-god-of-war-3-ps3-character-action-game-kratos-gif-2685507617750490619

New weapon

[winter shoal]

Long arms spotted

That's how you know it'll never happen

[slim coral]

Bro it would be so sick tho

to have chains as weapons

[winter shoal]

I mean that's just kinda SMF fury innit

if you don't have ranged stuff

[slim coral]

But where is smf with chains at

[dire vigil]

2H Flails would be hype

[winter shoal]

I also think it's not super practical from an art/modeling standpoint

[sinful spoke]

@slim coralboost my dh in 12s for gear

[slim coral]

Boost dn

[sinful spoke]

whats dn

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/testing-new-deez-nuts-ha-teeth-gif-15758045

[winter shoal]

RIP DN

was such a good talent man

[sinful spoke]

thats fucked up bazed

ur supposed to be my hommie

[slim coral]

All jokes aside not really playing live rn too much

focus on ptr and 11.2

[sinful spoke]

me neither tbh

just raid logging and mount farming

trying to get my dh some gear before patch

[woven valley]

Wish we could get a ranged warrior spec, maybe headhunter like the troll warriors can be. Throwing axes and spears and using chains and stuff

[sinful spoke]

keep asing like dh did and u might

[woven valley]

I just love the troll aesthetic and headhunter would be a cool spec imo

[slim coral]

well headhunter is basically survival

[crude ridge]

Nah I don't want a range spec because then the melee specs will just fall off a cliff

[sinful spoke]

already did

[crude ridge]

Yeah so it would just be worse lol

We all know any ranged class with a melee spec the melee spec just gets sidelined. Unless you're a shammy.

[dense elbow]

How can we fall off a cliff, if we never climbed to be in a position to do so in the first place?

An earthworm 🪱 does not need to fear the fall to the ground

[junior oyster]

This is the exact thing I love about warrior. In a world where fuckers can shoot fire from their hands and punch earthquakes into the ground, how rad is the lunatic who just shows up with training, grit and a lotta rage?

[bitter palm]

thats why pwar will always be peak of fantasy

prot pala needs holy magic and shit to heal wounds and stuff

pwar just says fuck it we ball

literally ignore pain

[dense elbow]

Can't speak your fancy spell with a pointy stick in your lung
Magic is overrated

[bitter palm]

nothing beats pwar fantasy imo

charge into everyone

get cut

ignore pain

[junior oyster]

Just reminds me of Minsc in the OG Baldur's gate... if the monster was reeeal wild, the most he'd say was "Im going to need a bigger sword"

[dense elbow]

Bleed out

[bitter palm]

mountain of steel

[bitter palm]

only way

[dense elbow]

The warrior way

[junior oyster]

Not "We gotta find the magical mcguffin", but "We just gonna have to get madder and hit harder"

[bitter palm]

holy idea

rework unbridled from random chance

to after spending x rage get reck

like skb

remove ava buff reck and u will spam rampage

[dense elbow]

Problem is when that loop consumes everything else

SD? Bladestorm? Ain't nobody got time for that! Got to press Rampage and RB to buff Rampage

[bitter palm]

ss should get guttedf

from the game

exploded

biggest devil of fury

rage gen needs to explode on this spec in general imo

u can legit ramp -> rb -> ramp -> rb -> ramp sometimes

its so evil

[dense elbow]

I don't dislike it, I just dislike RB being overturned with raw dam and SS value

[bitter palm]

11.0

[dense elbow]

Just remove raw dam, and move that in our profile to BT and execute

[bitter palm]

i had this idea to remove ava and since we need some damage capstones just put some execute shit there and force all 3 specs to play with execute

then with sd u could prob manage damage profiles

cause we dont want fury and arms both to have to wait till 20% to do something

obv massacre removed

giga evil talent

[dense elbow]

Why not remove spear instead?

[bitter palm]

avatar needs to disappear

more than spear

[dense elbow]

Why?

[alpine steppe]

I like Avatar.

[bitter palm]

1. cd bloat. fury already has reck whats the point of avatar?
2. its just so fucking boring

legit cant tell if i have ava or not

[alpine steppe]

Most specs have more then one CD though.

[bitter palm]

fury has reck bladestorm/ravager odyns

roar/spear

do u really need avatar?

when most people macro it anyway

[alpine steppe]

Bladestorm/Rav/Odyns are just damage buttons

[bitter palm]

how are they not cooldowns

[dense elbow]

Hm, fair enough tho. You could easily just move the avatar dam element into roar

[bitter palm]

so fdk old breath

wasnt a cd?

it was definitely a cd

same with roar/bladestorm/rav/odyns

[bitter palm]

or just bake it into reck and make RA make reck give damage amp or something

to make up for lower uptime and give it burst

without cb/bb fuckery

or with ra u get haste and damage done on top of rage/crit

or 100% crit chance or something

[bitter palm]

prolly too strong

so then ra = burst am = sustained

so its entirely timer dependent

[tight idol]

He lowkey spitting

[bitter palm]

they could tune them easikly

12.0 trust

like u cant tell me avatar doesnt sound like a tank cd

[dense elbow]

It isn't the worst take, but avatar is more core than reck. So it's more paletable to remove reck and move it into avatar

[bitter palm]

could do it either way just get rid of one

my n1 wish is to make odyns core of fury

[dense elbow]

Avatar is the FOR KHAZMODAN, don't want to alienate the players

[bitter palm]

like u talent into it at the top of the tree

and take talents that buff prio or aoe or something

(s3 df)

[vagrant dagger]

make reck an upgrade to ava similar to ret wings

[bitter palm]

huge upgrade

from useless cd to useless cd

not useless but like

its a sidegrade

thats what xan said as well with his rework idea

reduce reck uptime and make it much stronger

and i fw that

[dense elbow]

Hmm, no, don't think that is the best idea. That is already the Ret fantasy with Wake.

It doesn't really need to be anything more than a button that does a ton of dam on press

[bitter palm]

ngl i dont know why they refuse to buff it

[alpine steppe]

I think they somehow traumatized themselves over last seasons heroic week.

[dense elbow]

Cause it is a theoretical gain in extremely niche scenarios

[alpine steppe]

Only explanation.

[bitter palm]

we had 2 odyns

back then

ngl i dont even know what the new capstone does

[dense elbow]

Well, I argue we had 1.5, OF itself did little to no damage outside the double up

[bitter palm]

its something like during something ur rampage costs less or some shit

[bitter palm]

remember prepatch and beta

where odyns was like top damage

130% buff

[vagrant dagger]

same, couldnt find a reason to play it ever

[bitter palm]

ye its completely useless

[vagrant dagger]

why would i want ramp be 60 rage

[dense elbow]

Ofc I remember the beta, you do know we reaches the same dam number this season - as we had on the beta on a single OF cast to

[vagrant dagger]

when i overcap with 2gcd inside rec

[bitter palm]

to ignore it even more

[dense elbow]

It was nerfed hard

[bitter palm]

so sad

cool spell

[vagrant dagger]

it also lowers bt cd i guess?

[bitter palm]

hoooly bt

big button

[vagrant dagger]

but then bloodbath bleed is so meh

[bitter palm]

they tried to pull an arms blademasters

but cleave vs bt

brutal.

[dense elbow]

BB bleed, with 100% uptime it is 1.2% of your DPS

Giga

[bitter palm]

should prolly tune it down a bit

it should auto exsanguinate on reapply

[dense elbow]

Sounds like a rogue thing

What do

[bitter palm]

might even give us some burst again

cds spam bb

perma consuming the bleed while proccing reap

[dense elbow]

God I hate reap RNG

[vagrant dagger]

i hate slayer strike rng more

its always just after ashen falls

[dense elbow]

I hate having an abysmally low chance to highroll having almost decent AoE burst damage

[tepid cedar]

u guyhs notice ppl are stil using charged bolts

[dense elbow]

If we were tuned strong, I prob wouldn't mind as much. But as it stands, if feels shit

[bitter palm]

prolly cause armory bugged

[tepid cedar]

in some of the top logs after botls nerf

[bitter palm]

i was looking at farovers gear

and it said he had charged bolts

but he is using critical chain

[dense elbow]

#lazy probably

[bitter palm]

ye people prolly dont care enough

[dense elbow]

I use twilight dev, cause visual. Some prob do the same for bolts

It looks kinda neat, as we dont have a lot of effects like that, it stands out

So your brain notice if happening

Crit% chance* boost that isn't a 100%? Nah, brain don't care

[bitter palm]

bring back battle cry

fr

[vagrant dagger]

bring back death wish

[bitter palm]

battle cry

peak cd

[winter shoal]

on-gcd cds are bad

[bitter palm]

extreme explosion

[winter shoal]

death wish costed rage too didn't it

[vagrant dagger]

10

[bitter palm]

put the pvp one into pve

no damage intake = stack to 5

[winter shoal]

What's a pvp

[bitter palm]

wgat it is

Increases your damage taken and done by 10% for 15 sec at the cost of 10% of your health. Stacks up to 5 times.

[bitter palm]

peak

[tepid cedar]

cBRIONG THIS BACK IN PVE

[bitter palm]

no

[tepid cedar]

let em get 1 shot for all the deeeeps

[bitter palm]

cant have fun

as a warrior

[winter shoal]

No I mean what is pvp in general

never heard of it

[bitter palm]

idk i played it in sl was interesting

with death wish and death sentence

and cb charging u

it was funny

now its boring

[winter shoal]

holy the CB charge was so shit

[bitter palm]

its just against mages blinking 439634 times

slowing u

perma

and u cant do anything

death sentence necro arms was a menace

[dense elbow]

Guys, why are so many ppl happy with the incoming mystic touch buff?

[bitter palm]

time to be 3% weaker

if no monk

[dense elbow]

I get the counterpoints, I am loudly against the change.

I just don't get the pro buff the buff side

[vagrant dagger]

what if we had a 2nd spender

just for aoe

[dense elbow]

Go play ret

[vagrant dagger]

fuck ret

'ate em

[dense elbow]

That is what we would be

[bitter palm]

furys aoe should be cleaving st

and uncapped burst

neither are good

atm

[dense elbow]

^

[vagrant dagger]

but what if whirlwind cleave % would like scale with rage spent on it

[bitter palm]

that sounds convoluted for no reason

[dense elbow]

Then we got divine storm with worse steps

[vagrant dagger]

how is that divine storm, you still cleave st

[bitter palm]

if they wanted to add a spender maybr execute like legion but idk how that would work with enrage

[echo rapids]

Didn’t they literally just say “we changed frost dk because oblit cleave was too hard to balance aoe vs ST”?

[olive wraith]

What if OF became a new button after you pressed it that did giga damage for all your rage

And gave you a damage boost for a duration

[thick fossil]

I'd love to see Meat cleaver reworked, so they can balance our ST and AoE easier. That being said, in the meantime they should just buff meat cleaver to be 75% like hunter has.
Yes Arms SS would also need to be buffed to 100%. Gotta be fair about it.

[dense elbow]

Fuck Hurricane Jr effects

[bitter palm]

real

[dense elbow]

Button should do it's own damage

[bitter palm]

fuck hurricane

[bitter palm]

idk but furys aoe is not hard to balance they just dont want to for some reason

[olive wraith]

Call it wake of odyn

[dense elbow]

Fuck off ya snøsokk

[bitter palm]

how does outlaw do good aoe and fury doesn't

same profile

[echo rapids]

They could literally just do the “does less damage to targets beyond 5” and poof we would be mostly fixed

[bitter palm]

do st cleave to more mobs

[dense elbow]

Who knows, could be something called tuning

[olive wraith]

So just a melee SP?

[echo rapids]

Meat cleaver just needs to be uncapped but do less damage beyond 5 targets

[bitter palm]

sure outlaw falls off at many targets but thats thr price u pay for hitting prio with ur st rotation

[bitter palm]

just up to 8

and buff odyns or smth

[dense elbow]

MC can be hardcapped, it ain't an issue if we are tuned around it

You can make it 10 targets and we still shit if not tuned around it

[vagrant dagger]

ye, we arent winning 5 targets either now

its just tuning

[echo rapids]

What’s funny is even if meat cleaver was 8 we would still be getting gapped

[winter shoal]

outlaw players still complain about the 8 target cap tho

imo you either remove target caps entirely, or if you keep them, make it so capped classes are actually bis in their respective target counts

[echo rapids]

We need aoe damage from other sources

[dense elbow]

99.9% of all problems disappear if we get tuned for m+ around what we are

[bitter palm]

i will never understand why

they do insane dmg

[winter shoal]

Like can you imagine if people were like yo let's take a fury warrior they own in TOP

that would actually be kind of cool

[bitter palm]

outlaw turbo gaps most

[echo rapids]

ToP is an anomaly

[bitter palm]

sl arms in top

[winter shoal]

It's a useful example of the point I'm making

[dense elbow]

Fury ain't that great in ToP tho, sadly

I know it is cope to say so, but we aint

[bitter palm]

menace spec

[winter shoal]

Nah I stole your arms cook for top and it was beans

[bitter palm]

shadowlands arms

not current

[olive wraith]

You can buff meat cleaver but I’d rather have our damage done from aoe spells. Buff OF, buff roar

[bitter palm]

it was gios idea

[olive wraith]

Wanna make us have bleeds? Let us proc cshb more

[winter shoal]

My point was if you're going to cap fury to 5 targets but not e.g. udk, then fury should win on 2-5 targets no matter what

And it just doesn't

[winter shoal]

That explains it

[bitter palm]

fury should astrogap

[olive wraith]

Ya that’s also a thing I agree with

[bitter palm]

everyone at 5t

[dense elbow]

Buff OF 60% and BS 20% and slayer is basically perfectly balanced for this season

[olive wraith]

Fuck m+ slayer

I don’t wanna play 1 hero class for everything

[bitter palm]

sd being top prio in aoe is tempting

thane is just boring and clunky

[olive wraith]

Buff TB

[bitter palm]

imo

[dense elbow]

Just pointing out the small number tuning that could be made to instantly fix the issue

[bitter palm]

tblast not resetting tc cd is so clunky

shiny button

cant press

[winter shoal]

Is it? MFE and slayers strike don't cleave

[echo rapids]

The set is a joke

[bitter palm]

ye

[winter shoal]

wack

[olive wraith]

Uncap ionizing strike

[bitter palm]

does damage

[olive wraith]

But reduce the damage if you need to

[bitter palm]

anyway

[winter shoal]

if only thane wasn't living in hell

Oh well, colossus season

[echo rapids]

I’d rather they keep slayer as our ST raid and make thane not suck

[bitter palm]

btw the main reason we exploded in s1 nerfs is powerful enrage and double odyns

[dense elbow]

Every season in TWW is arms season

[olive wraith]

Again big sad

[winter shoal]

Meanwhile mages play all 6 specs in raid

[bitter palm]

[deep sapphire]

It makes me laugh that they thought the Mountain Thane tier set design is something to ship out and have on live.

[winter shoal]

I was pogging out when I saw thane set bonus

[echo rapids]

Is that accurate?

[winter shoal]

Then I logged in and played it

[bitter palm]

i was so disappointed when i read it

[winter shoal]

Idk I don't play mage

[bitter palm]

colo and slayer get 6 paragraphs

thane gets 2

[echo rapids]

Archon disagrees

[bitter palm]

u could tell it was going to be ass

whats the point of ionizinf strikes in the first place

[deep sapphire]

At least we get to play Fury in raid.

[winter shoal]

archon is a dogshit website built on a dogshit concept that should have no credence given to it whatsoever

[bitter palm]

go ask actual mage players if u want an answer idk

• does archon have ptr logs even

[echo rapids]

I’m pretty sure most dps specs have one hero tree that’s dominate in raid

But I’m sure there are exceptions

[winter shoal]

Go log into raid as arcane against manather on some off meta frost spec and tell me how you do

and then tell me archon has any value

(no glaze to manather ofc)

[dense elbow]

Archeon puts Fury as B tier tho, so it is a nice site

[winter shoal]

I mean I'm mostly yapping, I feel like fury in B for raid is pretty reasonable, and most of the things it says are also pretty reasonable

[dense elbow]

M+

[winter shoal]

But also just go to wcl and look at top logs or ask in class discord

[winter shoal]

okay that's overcooked as fuck

[dense elbow]

No, not by their metric, where A is can so the content and is popular. And Be is can do content and is popular

[echo rapids]

I mean that is fairly reasonable, our rotation is pretty straightforward and single target is ok

[winter shoal]

What does that have to do with archon tier list tho

Also why does everything have to be a tier list holy

[echo rapids]

The algorithm!

[dense elbow]

Cause we are B tier

[winter shoal]

Me when I abandon all nuance and critical thinking so that I can make clickbait slop

[dense elbow]

Wdum

Tier list tells us what we are worth in the hiarchy

[echo rapids]

Either way, it feels like our best shot for 11.2 is just thane tier set buff for m+

[dense elbow]

It is a must