fury

[plush maple]

We need Garrosh

[azure cedar]

i see

[olive wraith]

Imagine how troll throwing a target would be

[azure cedar]

i love bladestorm but cant play slayer in m+😥

[dense elbow]

Why not?

[sour frigate]

🤷‍♀️

[azure cedar]

and ravager is still better

well thane is probably better no?

[dense elbow]

Just by a bit

not enough that you should care

Trust, I play Slayer with OF in M+

I am fine

so will you

[coarse nest]

You can literally play slayer right now in everything except world first keys

[south kayak]

Imagine throwing the raid boss

[coarse nest]

Nothing stopping you

It’s just less output

[azure cedar]

well i never tried so i didnt know

[unborn delta]

by playing fury in M+ you are already trolling so you are allowed to play slayer fury over MT fury

[azure cedar]

i just stick with thane

[sour frigate]

^

[dense elbow]

Thats fair, but dont let it stop you from going Slayer

Slayer is a ton of fun

[coarse nest]

You could literally throw on season 1 slayer OF build and go play the game

[azure cedar]

onlyfans build

[coarse nest]

Amen

[south kayak]

Did you guys see the new trailer?

[vernal laurel]

I saw the feet

[dense elbow]

New trailer?

[south kayak]

I swear they’re doing this deliberately

[unborn delta]

i got recommendedit but didnt click on it

[south kayak]

Check the first 14 seconds lol

[dense elbow]

Oh god, not another Xala feet expo for 15sec?

[coarse nest]

Link

[earnest canyon]

Is it scary?

[bitter palm]

wdym not another

[vernal laurel]

Maybe Xalatat has the Fury rework hidden away, to be revealed in midnight

Stored in her feet

[south kayak]

Quentin Tarantino directing the trailer

[orchid dagger]

[plush maple]

Xalatath isn’t the feet?

[azure cedar]

what happens if we kill xalatath in midnight, will she still be around in m+ to give us the affixes?

[dense elbow]

SHE SPAWNS IN

[vernal laurel]

Correct, the feet are xalatath

[dense elbow]

FEET FIRST

[south kayak]

Name change/ effects etc

[dense elbow]

WHAT THE ACTUAL BLIZZARD

[south kayak]

Classic

[frigid zealot]

for free 😮

[static seal]

pretty sure they said we're getting new affixes every expansion, so either way no

[south kayak]

They know what they’re doing

[vernal laurel]

[dense elbow]

I dont get this new generation, I really dont

[plush maple]

New generation blizzard employees*

[unborn delta]

i wish they were allowed to spend money on animation again like the old days

[south kayak]

This wouldn’t be a thing if people on Reddit and forums didn’t make a big deal out of her being bare footed in the first few trailers/ pictures

They’re just playing into it

[scarlet sierra]

Just coming back after a couple months - got my crafted sword and bracers to 681 and I have a heroic gallywix weapon in my offhand - is it not worth using the cartel chip on a weapon unless it's mythic? I know heroic cantrip beat the old max crafted weapon

[unborn delta]

trailers and cutscenes nowadays were made in source film maker with in game models by an intern in 4 hours

[south kayak]

That’s an ingame cutscene

[static seal]

depends on your other items. probably just buy Jaster but you should sim it. H weapon is worse than 681 crafted.

[dense elbow]

Yeah, HC weap aint worth the coin. Get Jastors, Pacemaker and HoC, or similar. But weapon is just better to craft one for your offhand

[unborn delta]

just kill mythic oab

and mythic gally

[dense elbow]

That is only 1.5m gold

hurry hurry

[south kayak]

This looks good, should have seen the cutscenes before they fixed the animations properly lol

[scarlet sierra]

I have a champ jastor, heroic house of cards and heroic kezan eye

Guild I'm in is probably past OAB by now but idk about getting a mythic gally kill xd

[analog kite]

https://tenor.com/view/putin-clap-approve-well-done-gif-4723853

[unborn delta]

if you can get mug in the next week or two you can get CE off gally he's so free

unless your tanks are dumb

[dense elbow]

No tank can be that dumb

[scarlet sierra]

Okay, cool, I'll craft a second 681 weapon then probably

Think my guild is mostly raid logging, there was nobody on the last couple of times i checked for keys and such, just trying to get back into things

[unborn delta]

i had to play pwar because our prot pal kept dying during overlap to the checked ego

[scarlet sierra]

I'm 670 so i'm not that super behind

[unborn delta]

and prot war just ignored checked ego

[dense elbow]

Ye, you get to 680 in a day

[analog kite]

670 is pretty behind

[unborn delta]

10 ilvls is like 750 crests right

[scarlet sierra]

It's just valorstones honestly, i have most of the crests lmao

But okay, good to know, ill save the chips i've got

[dense elbow]

Just farm a bunch of 12s, and ya got all the crafted items done in no time. Then you can start upgrading gear. Its effort to get going, but once you there its fast.

Also, dont buy trinky for coin, before you done all your 12s

so you get mythic track trinky

[scarlet sierra]

Yeah, been trying to do 12s, i think i've completed one in the last 4 days, but thats pug life for ya

[dense elbow]

We are rooting for you and your return

Best of luck o/

[scarlet sierra]

Hahaha thank you

[quiet breach]

are the embellishments next season the same ones as this season?

[azure cedar]

well goblins in the new event gives you a lot of valorstones

[scarlet sierra]

Good to know, ill have to check that out

[azure cedar]

yea the hellcaller chests they drop

give you valorstones and you can get a lot of chests

[analog kite]

tellem archi

[edgy widget]

if you need valorstones, run the worldsoul memory thing with as many echoes as you have - 5m of mindlessly AoEing mobs will get you several hundred

[analog kite]

valorstones are easy, its the actual crests that arent

[scarlet sierra]

Oh shit yeah, i forgot about the worldsoul thing entirely

[edgy widget]

idk crests are pretty easy now if you raid or do M+

[scarlet sierra]

Yeah, i'm swimming in crests from doing m+

[edgy widget]

iirc unlocking the top tier requires you to do a bunch of shit, but just doing the 5x is still pretty efficient

[analog kite]

well yeah, just takes time, if you need guilded you can trade heroic ones in for gilded and the last 2 bosses give you like 10 or 15 each so its 5 upgrades for heroic raid

[edgy widget]

if you're starting out a new char or something, then yeah getting crests is tedious

[scarlet sierra]

I'm relearning a lot about the game from only being gone like 3-4 months, it'll all come back - been mostly on hc classic, weird to balance 3 different versions of the game in my head between these and mop lmao

[edgy widget]

lol I did the same thing when I was playing HC and SoD

actually the worst was adjusting to the UI

[scarlet sierra]

I couldnt touch sod while I was playing hc, I was convinced it was gonna get me killed

But yeah youre right

[edgy widget]

https://tenor.com/view/community-ken-jeong-ben-chang-cant-see-small-gif-5154350

cause Classic UI is so big and then I swap to retail like...

[south kayak]

The difference between retail and classic ui is crazy

[analog kite]

https://youtu.be/nrecQp7Lhdg?si=cLwqUn1uLGzSYThj

[scarlet sierra]

That was the worst when I got my new pc, having to figure out wow on new monitors

[edgy widget]

I had to accept the fact that I'm getting fucking old and just increase the UI scale on retail to make shit readable again 🥲

[analog kite]

i did that the other day for my chat window

went the big 16 font, felt so embarrasing

[south kayak]

The baseline customization of classic vs retail is light years

[edgy widget]

https://tenor.com/view/wearing-eyeglasses-bubbles-tara-strong-the-powerpuff-girls-wearing-spectacles-gif-9988254822302425489

[south kayak]

Archi do you watch anime

[south kayak]

I use 16 too

[edgy widget]

not really

[mossy pelican]

Wcl question, if I see someone has only 7 rage wasted on execute, can I conclude they’re almost always hitting a rampage before using execute?

[dense elbow]

[scarlet sierra]

Don't say that because then i'll have to admit it too and i'm not ready

[south kayak]

My eye sight got worse like 2 years ago

And I got glasses a year ago

[mossy pelican]

Basically I’m just hitting exe when the wa goes kaching even if I’m overcapping rage and I’m just not sure if that’s correct or not

[indigo quarry]

have you heard about the superior spec #arms ?

why hold yourself back

get more horsepower for your skill issue

[plush zephyr]

Ppawws solution to a shitty race car isn’t suspension or brakes and a rebuild, it’s just put a bigger engine innit

[olive wraith]

Ya. Fury is literally the worst spec in the game if you followed the convo a few hours back

[jolly marten]

not the worst, almost the worst, probably worst 3-4

[mossy pelican]

Has arms ever felt worse to play than it currently does?

[coarse nest]

Glad it’s not just me I use .71 on a 1440p 27”

Probably could go bigger honestly

[orchid dagger]

Slamweaving

[olive wraith]

It feels bad? I guess that’s subjective

[plush zephyr]

[plush zephyr]

Having to play around a WA for slayer is wack but that goes for both specs

That’s the only thing that feels bad to me with fury, and the bottom left of my screen where details is. Arms is fun, idk. Feels good as well.

[indigo quarry]

i got brainrot from following a fury random conversation

it was heated up

and full of nothing

[plush zephyr]

Yup

[olive wraith]

Arms feels fine to me

[mossy pelican]

Anyway searching “overcap” found me my answer, thanks for the riveting conversation

[plush zephyr]

Tbh all three specs feel good

[orchid dagger]

They just do fuckall

[plush zephyr]

It was answered, slamweaving/slam spam was the worst

[coarse nest]

3 slams in a row moments go hard

[orchid dagger]

Slam spam is fine

Slamweaving is actual cancer

[olive wraith]

How a spec feels is going to be user dependent

[plush zephyr]

Nah fuck that lmao anything slam not being a filler

[plush zephyr]

Only spec I’ve played that feels “bad” to me was ret pal. That shit is gross.

[orchid dagger]

Slamweaving was Slam being filler. It just fucking sucked ass to play

TBC Arms is a meme

[olive wraith]

I don’t like any energy class tbh

[hushed gust]

Yes. DF and SL arms felt like mega butts.

[olive wraith]

Damn all these diff answers

It’s almost like it’s opinion based

[plush zephyr]

There was a jugg build for arms I was quite fond of and then there was a time sks felt good, everything else was weird in DF but that whole xpac is foggy

[olive wraith]

Ww spam was fun

[mossy pelican]

Scroll higher, I asked a fury question in fury chat and got told to go arms

This is a shitpost channel anyway isok

[hushed gust]

it's almost like people want to provide their opinion to an opinion base question.

[bitter palm]

idk colo plays well in m+

[plush zephyr]

It’s not I apologize it’s just this time of season. I don’t know the answer to your question about that tho.

[bitter palm]

L take

sl arms fucked

[mossy pelican]

Agree I’m just not in a fighting mood today

Bring back soulshape tbh

[coarse nest]

It means they are making sure they are below 100 rage before pressing execute, except once

[mossy pelican]

Ty I figured just wanted to make sure I was reading that right

[coarse nest]

That doesn’t necessarily mean they are spending rampage each time

They might be good at sniping globals between rage generation

[edgy widget]

It was fun at the start and end, didn’t really enjoy the middle

[coarse nest]

Also that doesn’t necessarily mean they are playing correctly either

Iirc execute is lower prio than RB for fury

Unless SD conditions are met

[mossy pelican]

Maybe not but I’m just looking at #1 gally parse guy there are a lot of interesting things happening there

[coarse nest]

I have spent very little time with fury this patch so don’t take my word on it

I understand the basics well enough

Rank 1 isn’t really rank 1 btw

[mossy pelican]

Ofc

[coarse nest]

Tmy lurking

[bitter palm]

s3 was so good i cant lie with pile on

i swear take that iteration and give it battlelord

[coarse nest]

If it’s the rank 1 log I’d assume they have a better grasp of it than I do

[bitter palm]

tbf colo is kinda that

just with cleave

and some more steroids

[edgy widget]

I fuck with current colossus

[bitter palm]

same

[edgy widget]

Still a few things about arms I’d change, but it is generally enjoyable and a nice change from Slayer

[bitter palm]

i dont like slayer mostly cause jugg is ruining the fun

[edgy widget]

That’s the biggest issue with it, yeah

[bitter palm]

i swear removing jugg and buffing exe baseline would fix it

[edgy widget]

It would, though I still don’t think removing Jugg outright is the right answer

Guess it depends on what they find to put in its place and how that impacts things, but I still think Jugg would be fairly simple to salvage

[coarse nest]

The concept of jug is good, you’re building up your power as the fight progresses

[edgy widget]

Cause I like the idea of occasionally getting a couple SDs or funneling an add and getting a nice buff out of it, I just don’t want the constant stack gaming

[coarse nest]

The entire problem is you cannot fully control it

And can just get bad luck and a big middle finger

[edgy widget]

Don’t even need to fully control it, just need to reign in the gaming

[coarse nest]

Losing all your built up power right before you’re able to reliably maintain feels awful

We should be able to control that better imo

[olive wraith]

The power is only borrowed

[south kayak]

Replace juggernaut with S3 df set

[olive wraith]

Was s3 the tc one

[coarse nest]

It was yeah

[south kayak]

Yes

[bitter palm]

peak tier

would go so hard with slayer

or let sd cleave to more targets idk

[coarse nest]

Absolutely

[bitter palm]

but only sd

[coarse nest]

Maintain rend passively the whole fight

Sounds nice to me

[bitter palm]

i still have issues keeping up rend

since s3 df

perma struggling

i forget to tc

[olive wraith]

Man s3 was a great time

You better remember for Col next season

[bitter palm]

col needs 2 changes imo to be very fun objectively

change sks in a way that it does the same amount of dmg but doesnt shorten the duration cause its annoying

and blood and thunder should be uncapped

[olive wraith]

That’s not objective tbf

[coarse nest]

We should be able to rend all targets at once

It’s qol

[olive wraith]

It is kinda lame you can’t spread rend easily

[bitter palm]

i meant 2 changes that would make colo objectively very fun

idk what else is there besides demolish

[south kayak]

I think critical thinking refund should go to imp Execute

[bitter palm]

but its not even bad

[bitter palm]

idc

i play colo

i press exe 4 times a dungeon

[south kayak]

Yeah but colo not using execute is a problem imo

[bitter palm]

and ct does not save colo i can tell you that much

[olive wraith]

That’s not an Objective statement

[bitter palm]

i disagree

colo is more blord ms/op spam

like sl

slayer is exe ms spam

[coarse nest]

I think it’s fine that execute is a filler to replace slam while specced colossus

[olive wraith]

Well col is going to spam ms now

[bitter palm]

good

thats what it should be doing

colo at 2t is so close to perfection

[lean bluff]

raging blow

perfection

[bitter palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1392304158358503496/image.png?ex=686fb48b&is=686e630b&hm=07a456ca54152d9ef7d3aff9a07d4ffc433459cba5e5c48beb32dfebe19eaf67&

fury in big 25 jumpscare

[frigid zealot]

[bitter palm]

this rampage in the middle is kinda pissing me off

[coarse nest]

Lmao

[frigid zealot]

had to get charges back to continue pressing the best button

[coarse nest]

What is overcapping rage

[bitter palm]

cba fixing ss

[coarse nest]

Can’t wait for next tier
“Why does wowhead have a builder higher prio than the main spender”

[bitter palm]

peak misinformation screenshot

[frigid zealot]

bt? aint using that

my beloved

[dusky moon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1375185999600025692/1392649482151133297/Larias_Diagram_7.png?ex=68704d66&is=686efbe6&hm=b0bccc3c3cba23551b285bb71812aece050dcdcc269ed4007f87881afd831b87&

[flat river]

my gally kill was scuffed though ngl

i watched half the video

while the GM was doing ready check

xd

it was on x4 speed

[coarse nest]

Once you learn p2 it’s piss easy to repeat don’t worry

[flat river]

yeah

[olive wraith]

Rb can die

[hoary fox]

haven't done ptr at all

is warrior just RB spam next tier then

and does execute have prio w tier set or no

[bitter palm]

u consume sd on cd

no holding

[olive wraith]

It’s too early for sure

But yes rb is high prio rn

[hoary fox]

are you taking off the BT talents

and taking 35% execute

[south kayak]

RB is “stop playing fury” prio

Trash spec

[olive wraith]

Yes to bt talents

No to massacre

[south kayak]

Play dk

Hunter

Mage

Anything

[olive wraith]

You get sd procs so often the 10% hp change doesn’t matter

[hoary fox]

interesting, thought massacre would've been good, ig you get sd procs

yeah

so many sd procs it doesn't even matter

[bitter palm]

more sd = massacre even worse

and it was already useless

[bitter palm]

15%

[hoary fox]

what are you taking? the RB crit talent then?

[olive wraith]

You right mb

[bitter palm]

[hoary fox]

and the reck rng

[south kayak]

New name

[bitter palm]

ye

[south kayak]

(It does)

[olive wraith]

Give it some time to finalize first

[hoary fox]

do you still take BT bleed?

bt bleed seems so good

even with bt being shit

[olive wraith]

You can prob drop it tbh

You hardly press bt

[bitter palm]

raging blow

[south kayak]

Bfa CSHB my beloved

[south kayak]

[bitter palm]

highest simming atm

[hoary fox]

thats good to know, i'd hate a mix of like high prio RB but then also rando having to press BT once every 30s

seems cringe if you had too

[frigid zealot]

how about 10 bts in 5 mins?

[south kayak]

I’m not playing fury unless the priority is rampage > execute > bt > rb

[frigid zealot]

someday thane rotation

[bitter palm]

random bolt number 4

ahh spec

[south kayak]

I’m waiting for bfa classic

[bitter palm]

raging blow >

[south kayak]

Rampage >

[olive wraith]

Bt>

[hoary fox]

[south kayak]

Your name isn’t bloodthirst

[winter shoal]

YO

He cooked

[olive wraith]

Make purple face our execute damage again

[coarse nest]

Annihilator build when

[olive wraith]

Bring it back cowards

Not even chatting I liked fury s3 Df

[modest condor]

i would be fine with it now because they cant force us into annihilator anymore

[sour elbow]

I want new abilities like Thwack, BAM and Shwunk so any time people argue about them here they just sound ridiculous

[olive wraith]

Delete rb

[bitter palm]

why 💔

what did i do

[olive wraith]

It’s just a second slam

We don’t need 2 slams

[bitter palm]

bt is 3rd atm ngl

[olive wraith]

Change all rb talents to bt talents

Easy

[bitter palm]

blowing rage

[winter shoal]

hey it me rage

[modest condor]

baging rlow

[red berry]

hey its me rloodbrist

with the infamous dot

rushing bounds

[bitter palm]

hi rage im raging blow we are quite similar i think

[orchid dagger]

BT is defensive Slam

[ancient cloak]

How much of a loss is SMF? Just out of curiosity

[bitter palm]

a lot probably

cause no best in slots

but i dont know exactly, never simmed it cause its just worse

• 2 2hs goes hard

[bitter palm]

wrecking throw no diffs both

[orchid dagger]

Wrecking Throw has a -75% PvP modifier because Monks and Warlocks cried, and now no one bothers

[orchid dagger]

Enough to never actually use SMF outside of meme movement speed sets

[olive wraith]

Can sim the difference. Last I heard it was around 5% loss

[bitter palm]

pvp

[orchid dagger]

pve

[ancient cloak]

Not as much as I expected if so

[olive wraith]

I haven’t ever actually checked so I’m not entirely sure either

[lean bluff]

it'd be cool if they released skill microtransactions in wow, like pay to get an alternate animation for raging blow

[modest condor]

pay to get a 15% increase in damage on raging blow

[dusky moon]

Unironically they might be heading in this direction. Implementing the culling that they are with the next patch would be the first step to this

[olive wraith]

Source trust me bro

[outer cedar]

They don't like warrior I think.. or.. don't like fury? I'm very sad...

[drowsy heron]

why do people hate RB so much? if we aren't spamming RB we're going to be spamming another button anyway so its literally going to be the same thing

[junior oyster]

I dont get the hate either

It's a better animation than something like slam

[drowsy heron]

^

[hushed gust]

i just prefer BT's animation, but that's race-based and i play a race most people hate, so...

[drowsy heron]

i mean, thats one of the reasons i dont like BT, most of the animations for it suck ass

[slim coral]

did yall see frost dk today

shit is op

same with hunter

[tepid cedar]

lol

[drowsy heron]

not surprised, they like making anything not warrior OP

[tepid cedar]

bazed i quit loooking ast other classes

enahnce is pretty nutty as well allegedly

[hushed gust]

yeah, no reason to look at classes i don't play.

i've also learned that the wargliaves look really good on fury animations, so i'm kinda sad i can't actually use the mog.

[drowsy heron]

the Illidan ones?

[hushed gust]

yeah. got my second warglaive today and just started fucking around with them. turns out, they look good with f panda BT and rampage.

[summer quail]

Because it does too much. It buffs bloodthirst,rampage and does good damage. If they nerfed/changed slaughtering strikes raging blow would be fine

[olive wraith]

So many talents for a slam clone

[tepid cedar]

they look really good with void elf BT

[hushed gust]

nah nah nah! ya see, RB hits with both weapons, not just one XD

[sullen tendon]

surely fury will get changes soon

[drowsy heron]

so its less about hating the skill itself and more about Blizz not diversifying the talents around the different skills for Fury

[summer quail]

Yeah basically, tho that is what makes alot of us hate the skill. Bit stupid when raging blow does more of your overall than rampage and buffs 2 things

[dense elbow]

I don't hate RB. It is an always available filler, it feels alright to press. I would not have a problem with it, if it wasn't for it doing more than it's core purpose.

A filler should not compete with the 'exciting' abilities like Execute. It should not even do close to the damage of our node abilities.

It is simply doing too well of a job of being 'interesting' and a 'effective button to press'.

[drowsy heron]

Yea I can see that. Hopefully if we get a rework they do something better with evrrything

[oblique thistle]

nah

[flat river]

[oblique thistle]

Fury's completely fine

[flat river]

real

needs no buffs or reworks

only nerfs

[chilly fractal]

It’s pretty hot out this time of year… better nerf fury

[indigo arch]

I agree nerf sidearm

Talent is out of control

[smoky vale]

@slim coral

[slim coral]

What’s this

[smoky vale]

therpent in dwilkz resil 21 with lfg

[slim coral]

[smoky vale]

update

[slim coral]

Could of seen that coming

[smoky vale]

🥀

im doing the same on mugzee

its not good

[tepid cedar]

lol im super late

but i jsut saw frost dk and unholy

they cant be serious with frost lol

[low folio]

Crazy how bad the warrior devs are when they can buff the tier set by hundreds of percents and it’s still bad

[winter shoal]

Frost is actually really fun gameplay wise but the numbers are going in the bin surely

Hunter also omega juiced rn I think

[hushed gust]

we have a few weeks to go. i doubt we get anything revolutionary, else we would already have it, but lessee what does come.

[rain bridge]

As a vulpera fury (for the memes) I feel u

[young swan]

https://tenor.com/view/lilydusk-midnight-poppy-land-in-hot-water-frog-sweat-gif-19356834

[hushed gust]

it ain't over till it's over, man.

[rain bridge]

Wait are people really out here getting more dmg from RB than rampage,, rampage is always my top..

[hushed gust]

it's less the damage and more the value. it buffs 2 other buttons, one of them Rampage. so what should be your best button gets better the more you hit RB.

[young swan]

that doesnt matter if you dont make a fuss along the way

ur exact mentality is whats plagued warrior for the better half of a decade now

[hushed gust]

my guy, all i'm saying is we still have time for shit to happen. if you want to be the fuss, do so.

[young swan]

im saying stop trusting blizzard to do the right thing

they never will

unless if they're told

[hushed gust]

that's putting words where they don't exist, my guy. again, if you want to be the fuss, do so. don't antagonize those who aren't cause all that's gonna do is make more enemies

[sullen dove]

but they cant be told what to do or they wont do it!!!!

they make changes!!!

we just have to roll over and take them!! players dont know what they want!!

[young swan]

u just have to be sneaky about how you tell them to do things

[young swan]

i mean ur saying "let the cards fall as they may" and im saying "if you do that, blizzard will forget to deal us a hand (or neglect to)"

because they have a track record

for not doing things

unless u piss and shit and scream and shout that things are bad

[sullen dove]

ye u join limit arthur stream and say what your class needs

then it happens

kalamazi "warlock is b tier!!!!"

(gets 30% buff)

(already s tier)

[hushed gust]

then go ahead and piss and shit and scream and shout, but i've already said my piece. i know it's not gonna be heard. i understand funny rainbow name means a bit of status here, but back off dude.

[young swan]

i wish kalamazi was less likeable cause the shit he spews about warlock is genuinely insane

[sullen dove]

yea he's too nice to be such a vile sandbagger

[young swan]

very unlucky

i hope max does the raid ranking thing again

need critcake to put both warrior specs in d tier

[sullen dove]

insta buffed

he likes to farm recycle content a lot

itll happen prolly

[young swan]

i dont think he did one for nerubar or for undermine

so hes kinda due for it

[drowsy heron]

i thought he did one for undermine?

[sullen dove]

didnt think he missed a season

but idk

[young swan]

im pretty sure he skipped 1 of the 2

maybe i just missed undermine

i know he did like uh

beta changes tierlist or some shit

for nerubar

OH

he did do undermine

just remembered

in any case

need critcake to rank both warrior specs d-tier

arms tuned like shit fury damage profile gutter tier

[cosmic sundial]

What would be funnier is not even putting them on the list

Pretending warrior has one spec, prot

“This tierlist maker someone made is outdated as these two specs don’t exist anymore”

[lean heart]

is warrior the only class still with stat nodes in its talent tree atm?

[sullen dove]

what does stat nodes mean

[young swan]

yeah

[sullen dove]

like deft n shit?

[lean heart]

ye

[cosmic sundial]

Passive % stat increase

[sullen dove]

surely other classes have some of that

cluegi

[hushed gust]

i mean- one of Fury's at least helps keep enrage going a bit.

[young swan]

almost all of them got removed during df beta

[hushed gust]

so, there is intended use outside of a stat bump

[sullen dove]

pog

[cosmic sundial]

Didn’t DK’s just get one?

[lean heart]

outlaw has a 3% vers node i think

[cosmic sundial]

To replace the increased haste while standing in dnd

[young swan]

im not seeing one

[cosmic sundial]

Gonna look at the patch notes for ptr again I think it was on those

[young swan]

i mean its not in the tree at all

unless ur talking class tree

i dont really care much about class tree tho

[lean heart]

actually omega illegal for us to still have those in our talent tree

[young swan]

i think u can get away with it in the class tree

[sullen dove]

3 of em

[young swan]

but we have ours in the capstone area of our spec tree

[lean heart]

fury literally has 3 2-point stat nodes

giga illegal

[young swan]

would prefer they just nuke the stats and buff the actual effects

dumb as shit that we talent into stat nodes

just from a feel perspective

[cosmic sundial]

We were talking about class tree though

[young swan]

dont think we were

[cosmic sundial]

Og question was is warrior only class

Not is fury the only spec

[young swan]

okay but arms and prot have the same things

actually maybe prot doesnt now

prots were way less egregious

arms has the same shit

[drowsy heron]

most likely we're not getting shit until Midnight and then they never touch us again outside of nerfing us like in season 1

[cosmic sundial]

That’s why I said DK as a whole got the node, I thought we were just talking class

[young swan]

yeah i mean class tree is class tree

dont care if they put random stat amps tehre

[cosmic sundial]

Idk I’ve always had the take that if you notice every build taking the stat nodes. Maybe you should just bake those increases into the class

[young swan]

probably true

[cosmic sundial]

If you the dev feels like you need stat increases in your tree it’s probably because the class is weaker

Like I don’t see anything wrong with that one enrage buff that increases haste when enraged because that interacts with the kit

But nodes that increase a stat for no real reason, eh

[lusty moss]

Dumb question convo starter in bound

I know Two handers are better but I miss the old school fury feel one one handers so you think they should just let us transmog one handers ? I don't think I've ever seen smf be good or even break even with TG

[indigo arch]

Smf for a period was higher pure st than tg in mop if i recall

[unreal onyx]

smf only for speed set

[gleaming siren]

That is a take of all time

[cosmic sundial]

It’s okay I’m aware

[warm crag]

When will warrior finally get Lust? Im entriely exhausted of pugging with no util. Literally cant get into any keys and my score is capped at 2.9k. Even smth like a melee range combat rez that would take 2s to cast would be enough

[gleaming siren]

Preach Spongie

[echo rapids]

Isn’t that just jumper cables

[clever belfry]

exhausted???

thats the lust debuff

how do u get that when u dont have lust=?====??

[warm crag]

What?

[indigo arch]

All fury needs to be exhausted is look at overall in a key

[echo rapids]

A melee range combat rez with a cast time

[warm crag]

Yeah thats what warrior needs to finally get accepted to keystones pugging above 2.9k score

[fading sky]

Reason u csnt get in is

All are max geared and u are doing a 12?

I do 12s, most ppl that sign are what 3100+ and 681

Gettim score late is cursed af

[warm crag]

Im 684 full bis id be getting invited if warrior had lust or a brez (even if its melee range and had a 2s cast time)

[odd cipher]

that's some bs

[fading sky]

I dno man my war is 680

I get into keys easily

[echo rapids]

At this point in the season being under 3k is way more sus than being fury

[fading sky]

At 12-14

[gleaming siren]

Spongie I totally get you I've not gotten invited to a key in several weeks and I'm starting to fall into despair. How am I supposed to fill my vault???

[hushed gust]

yeah, i don't have that issue either. even prior to 3.2, i was able to get into Priory of all keys with relatively little fuss.

[warm crag]

Ive not completed a key for like 6 weeks now its crazy

[fading sky]

Ofc ive done 15/14s in keys

[clever belfry]

its truely meowmeow at this point

[warm crag]

Warrior having lust would fix it all

[fading sky]

100%

[hushed gust]

lust would be great, but the other lust options also bring better damage, so...

[echo rapids]

There’s no good reason for any specs to not have either Brez or lust

[clever belfry]

warrior peepeepoopoo!!!

[hushed gust]

both is good. lust and a damage buff? plz?

[odd cipher]

as warrior i was getting invites whole season, up to 18 and any dungeon, obviously i had sessions where i would be afk in dornogal for up to 1 hour waiting for invites, but on average i wait from 5 to 20 minutes and that's for +score keys, for vault keys almost insta

[fading sky]

He is pullin our leg though brother

[clever belfry]

?

[fading sky]

We want of to fuck so hard we get nerfed

I press all trash die

[echo rapids]

Are you saying he has not actually failed to complete a key in 6 weeks?

[warm crag]

This has been debunked

[gleaming siren]

No that part is absolutely true

[clever belfry]

so ure saying he is a nooba

[warm crag]

Wtf

[sour frigate]

[gleaming siren]

Spongie huge noober

He got gapped in raid testing yesterday I checked the logs

[smoky vale]

bro i cant sleep

what do i do

[gleaming siren]

Knock yourself out

[tardy lark]

its 9:30 in the morning you shouldnt be sleeping

[sour frigate]

Why

[restive saffron]

So i havent played fury since last season and ive seen everyone be using mountain instead of slayer

Is there a yt video yall suggest that i can watch to learn the new rotation and prorities

[olive wraith]

Wowhead guide has that. Not sure if there’s a video tutorial on YouTube

[clever belfry]

I sleep when i want bucko

[tardy lark]

I am the sandman

or Peter Lukøje

[gleaming siren]

Gesundheit

[tardy lark]

I need KRANKENWAGEN

[gleaming siren]

The Krankenwagen ist on the weg

[radiant plank]

[earnest canyon]

Yay, mage and warlock got buffed. Just what I was hoping for as a brown man

[heavy galleon]

Blizzard are the worst studio for class balance

It's so fucking cringe

[south kayak]

https://x.com/i/status/1943144498898321836

Portergauge 🏳️‍🌈 (@Portergauge)

Wonderful new delve rare in 11.2 lol

X · Jul 10, 2025, 3:05 AM

[warm crag]

Very minor hyperbole

[urban quarry]

hello guys is there any guide or comparement or idea about which trinket going to be potential bis trinkets for fury warrior in 11.2

[summer quail]

in pure st yeah sometimes

[urban quarry]

Its RNG tho

[radiant plank]

Prot warrior tier

[vernal laurel]

Been thinking about that, most trinkets unfortunately does not line up with our 1.5 min avatar. There is a crit trinket from Halls of atonement with a 1.5 min CD, but it gives pure crit, not something we usually stack.

This raid trinket might be usable, as you can just stack it up and it should align (ish) with our avatar

Otherwise there are a lot of really good passive trinkets, dunno if running two passives is the play, but finding a good active trinket this patch seems tricky for us.

[earnest canyon]

I hate gimmicky trinkets

https://tenor.com/view/tense-table-smash-mad-gif-13656077

[thick fossil]

Madox has a good video going over trinkets.

Warrior looks like it's gonna be pure garbage next season. Sadly.

[earnest canyon]

I don't really trust Madox because rumour is, he is an elephant seal, and they have no thumbs

[inland flame]

I know we're dooming on Thane Fury but are the other 3 really looking that bad rn?

[thick fossil]

Lol

[tardy lark]

I heard Madox kisses girls

cant trust that guy

[thick fossil]

Fury has become RB spam with rampage and a weak sudden death.
Arms still has way to many buttons in its opening before you start a rotation.
Prot is going to suffer a lot, especially if they gut the self healing, (which is pretty much a guarantee).

Numbers wise we'll see an aura buff or nerf, but none of our complaints are being addressed.

[inland flame]

Well for Prot I saw Kira saying it was looking p good rn but take all that with a grain of salt. Maybe Prot Warr is a good sqeeze in to a new phys comp with a Mist Monk.

I really like Col Arms for M+ so I'm pretty fine with playing it but I like Thane Fury more.

[warm crag]

Wtf

[gleaming siren]

Spongie only kisses @solemn plover

[solemn plover]

Hello

I am a spongie

May I have kisses?

[gleaming siren]

Emuach

[warm crag]

All of them!

[solemn plover]

emuach

[solemn plover]

emuach

[dense elbow]

Kinda depends on what your perspective is. First, it is PTR and tuning will likely come for both us and the outliers.

That said, we so 5-7 overall in a key, others do 9-14m. If you thought live was bad with it's 4-6m Vs 5-8m, well boy do the PTR show a scary trend atm...

If you are a raider, I wouldn't worry too much. Our ST isn't bad, it is above average. The outlier that do twice our ST is clearly bugged. Either way, if we struggle in raid buffs will come to help Fury.

Hspec Vs Hspec, or Fury Vs Arms is a different ball game. Arms isn't looking half as awful as Fury. So I presume they ain't dooming.

If you ignore the first part of what I mentioned, and basically all of the rest. Then yeah, it will make sense to doom

(warrior now forced even with a stronger hand to play with monk, also harms our m+ situation)

[plush zephyr]

I personally enjoy having to call a 1-800 number and wait for an operator to start my Arms rotation

[dense elbow]

OF opener is best opener

[charred drum]

My M+ team mates just sent me this and begged me to not play fury next patch

[remote bobcat]

yea just play arms like ?

its a fun spec

and dealing damage is fun

[summer quail]

i love tierlists so much

[charred drum]

Tried a few patches ago and didn't like it that much so I'll probably just play shaman and pray for a buff of fury before release

[remote bobcat]

what about it did you not like

about colossus arms ?

[charred drum]

It was during DF

Don't remember exactly why but it just felt off

[light hedge]

luckily we all agree on that target capping for server stability really did shake up the meta as it did not hit all classes the same

[dense elbow]

Dont worry, I fix

[light hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/so-damn-hot-a-gif-27090326

[remote bobcat]

yea so you have no idea how arms plays rn

try it

its rly fun

and they are making demolish less awkward too

[light hedge]

so fun to charge into

3 gcds of nothing

the only thing fury got going is that the gameplay designer atleast made it comprehensible

and you dont need neural damage to understand it

https://tenor.com/view/bongo-cat-wow-arcane-mage-pick-a-card-gif-13109917

[remote bobcat]

man skappz you have some of the worst takes ive ever heard

[light hedge]

like what

[light hedge]

which is true for the comparison to arcane mage

[dense elbow]

Skappz, you using an auto translator?

[light hedge]

no

[remote bobcat]

chatting

[tardy lark]

Its disingenious takes

[dense elbow]

huh, your take it - well, interesting, if nothing else I guess

[remote bobcat]

fair

[tardy lark]

but funny to use brain damage to play arcane when fury has such a small margin of gain when played 100% optimal compared to "just hit rampage when available"

while the arcane rotation has like 6 fucking lines for when to barrage

[light hedge]

if my take is so far off, that its a positive thing fury does not have 30 steps to do an optimal opener, let me get your takes then

[remote bobcat]

nice misrepresentation of the criticism

love it

[dense elbow]

I am torn, I am 50-50, between Troll and Language Barrier

[remote bobcat]

there is no language barrier

funky

[light hedge]

oh yall upset about the neural damage

sorry

bad wording then i guess

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[dense elbow]

Yeah, that seems to be on purpose

guess it is trolling

[remote bobcat]

bro is ragebaiting

what can ya do

[dense elbow]

Yeah, I am like 65% on that side now

[remote bobcat]

btw funky did u see gala got CE

[light hedge]

honestly not even

[remote bobcat]

im proud of our boy

[dense elbow]

Yes, ofc

[light hedge]

literally no clue why you mad

[sour frigate]

and still u just barrage on 4 balls and missiles on proc with huge outcome

[dense elbow]

I got to see it in real time too

[light hedge]

about what i said

[remote bobcat]

oooo

[sour frigate]

literally 12kk burst in 655 gear

[dense elbow]

We aint mad, Skappz, trolls gonna troll

[light hedge]

im not even trolling

just stating my opinion

[patent tiger]

team skappz here

[light hedge]

therefore id like to udnerstand where it might be flawd

[dense elbow]

I dont know, your responses to our responses are very ragebaity

[bitter palm]

colo is 20x df arms

[light hedge]

english not first language, but genuinly neither baiting nor trolling

i dislike arms gameplay of being gated by gcds before i can deal damage in pulls and i honestly prefer furys complexity over arcance mages

[vernal laurel]

Even if we can try to be positive, the trend is really just like this atm.....

[light hedge]

so

[dense elbow]

Perhaps it is a language barrier, but this ooozes with dripping sarcasm

[light hedge]

yeah i mean

no casual is reading that wowhead rotation thing

and is thinking

that looks fun

[remote bobcat]

its disingenuous to compare one of the easiest specs in the game to one of the hardest specs in the game when the original comment was that arms is fun, for example. You were trying to criticize arms being a little more complex then fury, which it definitely is in m+, but that doesn't even come close to the amount of minmaxing that arcane has. Your choice of words is extremely polarizing as well. No reason to do that unless you want to incite a reaction beyond simple debating or talking.

alas

im happy for gala

[bitter palm]

bro ngl

[remote bobcat]

thats more important than your take

[dense elbow]

Everyone is happy for Gala

[bitter palm]

fdk got more patch notes than warrior in past 3 years

not just fury

[vernal laurel]

Pretty much yeah

[remote bobcat]

conestar we need to post more ptr warr feedback then dont we

[light hedge]

it is a polarizing example to make it easier to understand

[bitter palm]

if i start posting i will get banned

[dense elbow]

I got nothing more to send feedback on PTR mine has run dry

[vernal laurel]

Can take a look at my post and see if you agree with my points https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-fury-warrior-in-m/579413

[dense elbow]

Skappz, please stop. You are trying to pull ppl into discussing and arguing. We aint really interested.

[remote bobcat]

Hyperbole's aid in understanding, polarizing examples don't. They are close knit but they arent the same. One causes an emotional reaction and the other doesn't.

Now please drop it man

[bitter palm]

im gonna crash out on the forums real quick

[dense elbow]

Did you ask for OF buffs?

[remote bobcat]

send link after

+1'ing that shit immediately

[dense elbow]

If you ask for OF buffs, then you got my stamp of approval

Your icon tells me that you likely did

[remote bobcat]

your suggestions would make the dmg profile even flatter, not interested

[vernal laurel]

Yes

[dense elbow]

Flatter profile, but OF buffs? Now I am curious

[vernal laurel]

It was my 2nd most important point actually

[dense elbow]

guesss I will take a read

[remote bobcat]

his suggestion is to simply make it relevant again by buffing it like thats not a good suggestion and also odyns being strong doesnt mean that our dmg profile overall changes a bunch

anywhos

[bitter palm]

will take time to write a proper crashout cause i want to actually make some real points type shi

just complaining wont help

[vernal laurel]

Buffing Odyns fury to make it relevant is a very good thing, why would you not be interested in that?

[bitter palm]

move odyns to the high middle of the tree make it core of the spec remove avatar etc

[vernal laurel]

Its our signature ability

[remote bobcat]

like no the fix is to make raging blow inherit the BT functionality of reap procs

[bitter palm]

cause its boring

wow damage

[vernal laurel]

Actually a good idea! Updating the post

[dense elbow]

To your point 1) Fury doesn't need to be uncapped to do great AoE, we got AoE tools that are undertuned. Nor do we need to increase our 5t, again we got AoE tools. Should 5t get a bump up? Probably. Should it be the solution for our AoE dam. No.
2) Is just true. OTHER THAN THE LAST PART: REWORKD ODYNS FURY TO SOMETHING ELSE OR BRING BACK TT?!

TT IS THE REASON OF DID LOW BASELINE DAMAGE IN THE FIRST PLACE

[bitter palm]

s3 df tier would go hard

[dense elbow]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[tardy lark]

i'd rather have Sarri APL for .6% gain than a Sarri APL be 15% gain

[vernal laurel]

Bruh, we are warriors, we love dmg

[bitter palm]

make it interesting

[remote bobcat]

odyns is a shit boring button that could only be made interesting by giving it big synergies via talents or tier sets

[bitter palm]

s3 df tierset would go hard

[remote bobcat]

odyns giving ava was cool as fuck

[bitter palm]

of was fun in s1 cause of avatar

[remote bobcat]

we dont have that

so who cares

[dense elbow]

False, having a button that simply does big damage is fun

[remote bobcat]

odyns sucks

its ass

[dense elbow]

You suck

[bitter palm]

that button is bladestorm

of should be core with synergies with other spells

[vernal laurel]

Yes, making it do a bajillion dmg makes it fun

[tardy lark]

make SMF OF a thing :bedr

[vernal laurel]

Big numbers = fun

[tardy lark]

fk

it stays

[bitter palm]

ye and then u explode 1 week into the tier

[remote bobcat]

that also makes it toxic to the game itself

[bitter palm]

cause no one can touch the adds

[remote bobcat]

^

[dense elbow]

Big Number is fun, OF (should) bring big number

No fucking hurricane Jr needed

[vernal laurel]

We are still scared from the kneejerk nerfs in s1, that should not be the norm

Let a big button do big dmg

[remote bobcat]

having a 45 second big boom with no condition, proc or anything similar is not good for the game

[bitter palm]

first of all, avatar needs to explode

remove it

[remote bobcat]

^

[dense elbow]

It is fun, fun is great for the game

[bitter palm]

why do i have 9000 offensive cds

[remote bobcat]

its fun for the player, not the teammates

[bitter palm]

that all do more or less the same thing

[dense elbow]

Why would ppl dislike their team mate doing damage?

[light hedge]

inb4 they just copy paste convoke text onto OF and call it a fix

and we all can beg it doesnt press BT 10 times in a row

[vernal laurel]

Frost dks got Frosworms fury that just do dmg, and they like that button cause it does dmg

I agree that Odyns fury should have more core interactions though

I really do

[remote bobcat]

play shadowpriest alongside a burst class and ya u will have fun for sure

[dense elbow]

So we cant have burst

[vernal laurel]

but a quick fix for now (cause they hate us and dont want to do big changes atm) is to just buff its dmg so we can play it

[dense elbow]

cause SP exists

That is the most stupid take I heard in a while

[bitter palm]

avatar is the real devil for both dps warriors

[remote bobcat]

a lot of dks dont actually like frostwyrms and those that do like it because of more than just button that deals damage immediately

[bitter palm]

arms needs a real cd and fury has too many

[tardy lark]

funky talking about stupid takes

[bitter palm]

simply merging ava into reck would go a long way

[remote bobcat]

💯

[vernal laurel]

Arms has to many buttons

[bitter palm]

how

legit 3 button rotation

in all content

[dense elbow]

Nah, ppl saying we cant burst - when other classes do 3x our burst if not more, cause Shadowpriest exists?

nah

That is a stupid take

[vernal laurel]

Sorry, it takes to long to set up burst, to many buttons to press before the burst starts *

[tardy lark]

difference is frequency though

[remote bobcat]

also isnt frostwyrms fury 1.5mins ?

odyns would be 45

[vernal laurel]

Not to many buttons per say, just to many to press in the opener

[tardy lark]

frequency and lack of setup rather

[bitter palm]

sry but s1 fury was just stupid

[tardy lark]

3 globals and all our damage was sent

[bitter palm]

i obliterate all adds before ANYONE gets a chance at anything

[remote bobcat]

^

[dense elbow]

Raider spotted

[vernal laurel]

Yeah and after your cds are done the pack is still alive and you have 0 dmg for a while

[tardy lark]

oh, minigame glasses

💀

[dense elbow]

Just have adds spawn in more often, more, with higher health

[remote bobcat]

m+ is 2nd to raiding

[dense elbow]

there are tons of options

If you want SP to have fun

but cant cause OF

[bitter palm]

raid is 1st prio for them

nd always will be

[dense elbow]

make adds that lasts longer

so SP can have fun

[vernal laurel]

Oh i know, I just dont care about raiding

[bitter palm]

thats an another reason why u dont want to be s1

in high keys packs live long enough for u to fall off

[vernal laurel]

More players interact with M+ (Excluding LFR), seems fairer to use that as a base

[tardy lark]

its easy to just say "fix the issue" when you have 38 fucking specs in the game or whatever interacting in all content

[remote bobcat]

Okay but then again, while s1 fury would have been balanced in higher keys, barely anyone plays higher keys

most people did 10s and below in s1

[tardy lark]

having 20man content and 5man content be equally balanced is a pipedream

[vernal laurel]

Its not for a lack of feedback though, there are many great write ups and suggestions for the devs to follow

[bitter palm]

it wasnt good in high keys no

[remote bobcat]

u dont want an unnerfed fury warr in a +10 in s1

[bitter palm]

i forgot

[vernal laurel]

It was not good in higher keys

[bitter palm]

i remember just falling off on 3very single big pull

[remote bobcat]

well yea fair

[bitter palm]

then having 0 cds next pack

cause ra

[vernal laurel]

Yeah it sucked

[tardy lark]

i am aware, as i am part of some of those writeups. Lets just say that the warrior dev is a personality

[remote bobcat]

My point is that the vast majority of m+ dungeons arent high enough for the fury to not delete everything

[tardy lark]

by "personality" i mean clueless

[vernal laurel]

The warrior dev is on vacation (4 years and going strong still)

[dense elbow]

Pre-nerf S1 burst, on the beta, held up to a decent degree. You fell down, but not so far that you didnt go back up after you bursted again.

After the nerfs, you just couldnt pack enough of a punch to get ahead enough that falling off could happen without shooting you in the leg

[tardy lark]

sadly not

[vernal laurel]

Ah sorry, that was the rogue dev

[summer quail]

i've heard he is just incredibly stubborn

[tardy lark]

he should be though

yes

[dense elbow]

Warrior dev was with us during the beta

[gleaming siren]

Going on a vacation has a high probability of improving the class

[vernal laurel]

Our dev just dont like his own class

[light hedge]

i honestly also feel like both fury hero talents are neither particularly fun nor interactive

[bitter palm]

ye the fix is to not have all of ur dmg frontloaded in 3 cooldoens

[oblique trail]

@clever belfry @andor haveyou ever considered meowing on a daily basis?

[remote bobcat]

i mean thats just not true

[bitter palm]

now we are at the other end

where cds do nothing

all of our dmg comes from rotational spells and we are crippled by our target cap

[vernal laurel]

Maybe, we did not really get a chance to test as we were taken out back during heroic week

[dense elbow]

Depends on what you want. I personally enjoyed the burst gameplay. I am not in team flat. I know team flat got a lot of ppl in it in here tho, but team flat also left Fury the moment arms was better.

[clever belfry]

i have

[remote bobcat]

we got to test on ptr

[bitter palm]

increase to 8 buff odyns and spec would be fine and nowhere near as annoying as in s1

[vernal laurel]

He is making it really hard to believe he likes fury

[bitter palm]

it doesn't have to be flat

just not as bursty

[dense elbow]

Indeed, it doesnt.

[bitter palm]

cause s1 was ridiculous

[dense elbow]

If burst is not big enough, then it can just as not exist

if you cant feel it, it is pointless

[remote bobcat]

fury plays decently well - the general gameplay loop is smooth and we're getting some cool shit. Warrior dev is probably also only responsible for designing, not tuning.

[dense elbow]

if you use your burst, and you still aint even close to half of that others do, then your burst is dead

it is at best a symbolic token gesture

[oblique trail]

I think you should now

[bitter palm]

if by feel it you mean killing adds in 3 globals ur idea of burst is cooker

cooked

[remote bobcat]

agreedge

[dense elbow]

Adds in raid, that is tuned to be dead in 3 globals?

[bitter palm]

3 globals of everyone

[dense elbow]

That is litteral just encounter design issues that shouldnt punish fury in all other content

[bitter palm]

not 3 globals of a single spec

[vernal laurel]

Our design atm is not that good though. Sure the core gameplay rotation is great, my personal favorite really. Feels amazing. Our talent tree though is a mess, we lack something unique, a selling point you could say.

[smoky vale]

meow

[dense elbow]

If adds die in 3 globals, no matter what, why punish Fury?

There is no point.

[remote bobcat]

I mean yea of course but that's just not important enough

[bitter palm]

cause other classes should get to interact?

[smoky vale]

the point is to nerf of

[remote bobcat]

not important enough to take big risks

[vernal laurel]

[light hedge]

Do you think Fury gets punished because of higher base stats from the Offhand?

[remote bobcat]

hi @smoky vale

[summer quail]

no

[remote bobcat]

no

[smoky vale]

hi kronzo

[vernal laurel]

Just feels really bad when other classes just do our job but better, and also get way more dev attention

Like, the fury dev could do that, but he does not

[dense elbow]

Then A) increase add health, B) increase add spawn rate, C) a myriad of other options than killing Fury from doing other content than raid

[remote bobcat]

I agree, but thats not the fault of our developer

people cover multiple jobs

and its not the dev that decides when a job is done

[dense elbow]

No need to bulldoze down the house, cause you missplaced your table

just move the table

[vernal laurel]

Do you think he is just not allowed to touch his spec? or that he has no time?

For i swear, increasing Rallying cry to give 20% HP instead of 10% in 5 man content cannot be that hard of a job to acomplish.

[light hedge]

Why not make WW have baseline 4 Stacks of Splash Damage and the 2nd note increase target cap to 8? Would already help a decent amount.

[remote bobcat]

Do you understand how game designing works in a business?

[remote bobcat]

would help tuning, would suck for design

Ok

[bitter palm]

so then not having fury or even 2 fury means u cant kill the adds fast enough

thats not how they design raids

[dense elbow]

I am sure adds still died

even after fury was nerfed

[tepid cedar]

legit fuck changing all these skills

[dense elbow]

oh wait, they did didnt they?

hmmmm

weird that

[light hedge]

agree but arent we talking about how design feels good and tuning is bad? so wouldnt this make it more 50-50?

[tepid cedar]

just give us all ability +10-15%

[vernal laurel]

I am not a developer, but I see other games give a lot more attention to very specific things. Blizzard seems like the odd ones with how infrequently they touch up on classes

[remote bobcat]

Why would you willingly make your specs design worse such that you will run into problems in the long run?

[dense elbow]

If Fury kills adds in 2 sec, and you got 4 sec to kill adds, and DH can kill them in 3. Then you can balance it out by having adds spawn in on every 30 sec, instead of every 45 sec.

[vernal laurel]

Big agree, and even that would not make us more desired unfortunately

[dense elbow]

You dont have to take Fury out back and shoot it.

Honestly, noone cares about adds after they got removed from logs pad either way

[tepid cedar]

well it would be an i all out increase in prio and 5t

what we are actaly suposed to be good at

[dense elbow]

All that happened was making Fury suffer in M+

[tepid cedar]

for not having utitlity

[light hedge]

But is it actually worse? You will always talent into WW unless pure ST in Raid, and for M+ it is obviously relevant. Granting access to a splash cleave w/o the necessity of incereasing target cap would solve the problem situated in how the content is designed instead of how the content is perceived

or am i wrong?

[vernal laurel]

That seems to be the goal each patch

[summer quail]

can't do that. makes fury too strong in raid

[ionic bone]

who cares about utility when the dps is garbage and caped at 5 for m+

[vernal laurel]

Cant they just be strong one patch though?

[dense elbow]

"but the raaaaaaaaaaaaaid"

[vernal laurel]

Is that really such a sin?

[tepid cedar]

how?

[vernal laurel]

I mean, comon

[light hedge]

but didnt they do -6% and that was fine?

[tepid cedar]

we are gettting ot dpsed my 17 other classes

[tardy lark]

if you arent a ruetoo viewer idk man

[remote bobcat]

Theres a team responsible for tuning. There's a team responsible for designing. These are very unlikely the same people.
Both teams have atleast 1 leading position that decides what needs to be worked on. You may have some analysts that check up on feedback and data giving that info to the design lead of tuning lead. You can have someone in the design team whos specialized in fury warrior designing but hes busy with other works. Why would you assume that the warrior designer is able to simply work on warr and actually ship changes? Also what makes you think they aren't actively suggesting shit that gets shut down ?

[tepid cedar]

10-15% is notgona break our damage

[dense elbow]

Buff us 15%, and we still 5% behind, or on the PTR, we still ish 45% behind.

[summer quail]

huh? where'd you get -6% from

[tepid cedar]

thats such and old mentalityt

imo

[oblique trail]

I played his build as a leaguestarter

[light hedge]

TWW Pre Release notes iirc?

[vernal laurel]

I have no idea, and frankly none of us does, they are very bad at communicating their intentions. Thanks for the insight though.

[remote bobcat]

Having an increase to meat cleaver's target cap is inherently flattening out the damage profile of fury causing us to essentially replicate our single target rotation inside the whirlwind stacks. It's bad.

[light hedge]

Is this not exactly what we are already doing right now?

[dense elbow]

The idea is:

If you buff fury 10%, then all the good players will take over - and it wouldnt be +10%, it would be +50%.

So Fury would be broken.

Our current best players are shitters.

[vernal laurel]

Cant we just get bigger burst, and also not be capped to 5?

[summer quail]

because fury is not shit in raid. buffing a decent performing spec by 15% is alot

[vernal laurel]

Is there not a world where we are bursty, and also can hit more mobs?

[remote bobcat]

the thing is, we want the same thing - for fury to be more fun and stronger. But my approach is a bit more generalized. Your approach may feels witch-hunty to some

[tepid cedar]

were not shit we below avg

[orchid dagger]

Meat Cleaver's entire design is to make our single target turn into AoE damage

[remote bobcat]

it would get worse

[tepid cedar]

we are ranked 17 of all the classes

[remote bobcat]

yea and having that work at all targets is bad

Ok

[summer quail]

on ptr?

[tepid cedar]

like how wil 10% break us inr aid

currently

[dense elbow]

I just told you Apo

[remote bobcat]

It's good to have target based rotational changes

[vernal laurel]

Im tired boss, i get sad whenever I think about wanting to play my favourite game and my favourite spec, and I know that its bad and has been bad for a very long time

[dense elbow]

50% dam increase that 10% is

[tepid cedar]

and by the looks of it we wil get obliterated by some classes

[remote bobcat]

i respect it

[light hedge]

Yes, and still would help.But wouldnt this align with the current design then and streamlining our damage into understanding cleaving better? Since we do not have access to Demolish nor did we take the damage nerfs to MT very well?

[orchid dagger]

I'm at the point of just fotm'ing melee at this point

[remote bobcat]

MT is a tuning knob that can get fixed

[orchid dagger]

No reason to be tied to this shit class

[dense elbow]

They just chose not to prio it

[remote bobcat]

streamlining turns into "boring" gameplay very quickly.

[vernal laurel]

I have considered it, and for my push groups sake mostly. But i still love fury to much to let it go

[remote bobcat]

lots of people come into fury chat as arms players saying its lame as fuck because you have close to nothing to think about