fury

[flat river]

i can't

[vernal laurel]

sadge

Next week for sure

[storm birch]

Let’s goooooo monks buffed

Needed that for my groups !

[flat river]

[storm birch]

[flat river]

bro they have a vendetta against warriors

especially fury

i swear to god

[dense elbow]

Ya saw how they responded to prot? It is against all warriors

[flat river]

oh shit i just noticed

bruh

[vernal laurel]

Paying for our sins in classic still smh

[flat river]

that is so stupid

[flat river]

and for season 1 first week

[vernal laurel]

Oh yeah, being good in heroic raid, perfectly crafted for our dmg profile

Burnt at the stake

[flat river]

i really feel like the warrior dev made warrior good first week, they fired him and started nerfing warrior

[coarse nest]

What’s annoying is other specs can be broken for entire tiers and we barely get 2 weeks before being gutted

[flat river]

real

[storm birch]

I have faith

[coarse nest]

Like bro just give us our time in the sun

[storm birch]

🙏

[flat river]

unholy sanlayn thing is still bugged and is uncapped

[upbeat blade]

so not only is the mountain thane tier still pretty bad, it's also competing for the most boring season tier set too. Hell, this is competing for most boring out of all of the season 1 tier sets

[dense elbow]

I wont confirm nor deny that there might be different people and perspectives in how Fury should work. I wont say that one side lost and we are paying for it, if you aint camp flat and 'raid is all that matters'.

[vernal laurel]

Seperate tuning for raid and M+ would be cool

[tulip mirage]

they will never

[flat river]

[vernal laurel]

Indeed

[tulip mirage]

to much work

[dense fulcrum]

war dps kinda sadge to see in ptr ...both specs

[flat river]

they made mythic+ and made a team to work on mythic+ dungeons and dungeon tuning

they class devs "don't have time" to work on tuning for both sides

[lean heart]

there HAS to be rework at some point yeh our talent trees are turbo piss

arent we the only class with stat nodes in our tree still or am i missing something

[dense elbow]

Would futher split the playerbase, at worst making the transition between them to jarring - as such, kill one of the two content paths. Making them isolated even more than ever.

This is not something we want.

[crude onyx]

if they don´t want players to play warrior, why don´t they delete the class already? They´ve shown their hatred for the brown bois in most versions of the game after vanilla

[dense elbow]

Cause they know we will take the hit, complain and keep paying.

[chrome wraith]

TBF warrior is great in wrath and tbc

[radiant kettle]

Bunch of copium in here. Must be a bunch of new warriors. Fucked per usual.

[wary fjord]

we ignore the pain

[wary fjord]

u right, bring back armor pen

we will soar to godhood

[olive wraith]

We get more buffs next week surely

[flat river]

nope we always doom every patch

lol

[olive wraith]

Blizz is gauging performing between weeks

[chrome wraith]

We were punished for our heroic damage at the start of the expansion

[radiant kettle]

Copium right above your message xD

[olive wraith]

We always say this tbf

[flat river]

cope and doom are 2 sides of a coin

[radiant kettle]

Lol

[flat river]

you can't have one without the other

[storm birch]

Nah buffs are coming

I can feel it

Not a new warrior

[chrome wraith]

Odyn's died for our sins in 5 man trivial content. RIP

[flat river]

[crude onyx]

yet warlocks are always allowed to pump forever

[storm birch]

🫡

[radiant kettle]

We will get a buff. Then it shall be undone and the nerf multiplied by x7

It is the only way.

[storm birch]

Nah I can feel a change on the horizon

[flat river]

or we don't get buffed

[radiant kettle]

💀

[flat river]

both works

[storm birch]

Idk why but my gut is telling me it’s gonna happen!

[dense elbow]

We reached the "lets be sarcastic" part of the doomer loop

nothing positive is meant

[radiant kettle]

Lolol

[chrome wraith]

The best way to change things is to stop playing the class

If representation drops off because of bad design they'll put work in

[storm birch]

I actually thinking devs are gonna wake up to our struggles ! Not cappin!

[chrome wraith]

Or just unsub, that's goated too

[modern ingot]

Im sure these warrior devs played warrior only once in 2005 in Molten Core with world buffs and decided it was strong and needs nerfs.

[chrome wraith]

Warriors were bis most of sod

[flat river]

5 stages of dooming:
step 1: cry about nerfs
step 2: doom
step 3: be sarcastic
step 4: cope
step 5: acceptance

[crude onyx]

their playstyle was just shit until level 60 😄

well except during gnomer

[crude onyx]

Well, yet they pull it off

[flat river]

warriors: who knew rock bottom had a basement

[thick fossil]

We've all done it. I'm just at the point of not trusting anything Blizzard does or says. Warrior is still looking like ass in M+.

[crude onyx]

and when they don´t, the nerfs are coming very quick

[olive wraith]

Doubt. Warrior has a huge pop

[crude onyx]

that one I will steal for myself, I like that phrase 😄

[dense elbow]

I find it hillarious to be nerfed, when we do 5-6m overall, and others do 7-9m

That tickles me

[vernal laurel]

True, but something pretty drastic would need to change to stop situations like these from happening this often

[flat river]

we should all stop playing warrior so nobody gets shout

until blizz buffs us

wait bad idea they will give shout to mage

[dense elbow]

"what is shout?" everyone asked

[flat river]

atleast shout CD removed

[thick fossil]

Nah, they'll give it back to DK

[flat river]

yesss

so they can be invited

and have a raid buff

[dense elbow]

Give DK their raidbuff!

[flat river]

yessir

[untold moth]

Give DK horn and make it do something good!

[dense elbow]

They deserve it, we got Rally

[wary fjord]

bro, dont get me started on rally

needs at least a buff in dungeons

[untold moth]

"You all got this!" ::Hands everyone a jar of angry piss::

[flat river]

like how they do it with DH

[wary fjord]

seeing mage barrier doing just more, while also giving 15% magic dr when arcane

and lasting 1 min

is crazy

[flat river]

+100% effectivness outside raid

[wary fjord]

ye

need that

[flat river]

sike

[thick fossil]

[flat river]

now its 5%

[thick fossil]

That's more than Blizz gives us

[flat river]

and 100% more effective in m+

[wary fjord]

[earnest canyon]

They have to wear a dress though to be fair

[flat river]

i'd wear a dress if it means we will get buffs

[storm birch]

The reason I think good change is coming is because of that convo that was being had from that one dev post about what can be given to warriors to give them more of a niche or whatever

When they joked about the Brez and stuff

So I have faith conversations are being had !!

Save us !

[flat river]

[young swan]

that wont be happening in 3 weeks

[dense elbow]

Ok, so I know warrior is lacking a bit on the DPS value in keys. ye?

What if

Shout is buffed to 8%

I fixed us

[wary fjord]

nah

[earnest canyon]

If you wear no pants you get +5% dps

[wary fjord]

give us banner back, instead of spear

make us a buff bot

[young swan]

stop

[storm birch]

🤣🤣 true but maybe smaller things to build toward it! Nice to know I’m being thought about 😇

[wary fjord]

i like my necrobanner

[smoky vale]

xantaga i found junbei dh yday in an 18

we did not time it

[young swan]

who

[smoky vale]

some dh guy in nurfed

[young swan]

h jubei

oh

i dont know them

[storm birch]

I was hoping to finally get a chance in a 19 this week. Took my vault and it’s a 19 DFC the only one I have. I can’t stand rng

[spring fox]

I only half joke about my desired warrior healer spec that is just an angry football coach. CDs are all shouts like Diablo barbarians. Raid wide movement speed buff? Take a lap. Brez? Scare the blood back into the body

[wary fjord]

ye, the brez is just scaring them back to being alive

[storm birch]

Haha yea I’m an advocate for the Brez route. Half the tanks already have Brez. Warrior can join them

[wary fjord]

like how the current jumper cables work in their flavor text

[jolly marten]

here is your buffs guys

enjoy

dat 10% to frost dk tho

[nimble ermine]

this class is so broken

[jolly marten]

i was trying to fish as much as many Ionizing strikes i could

i was right, changes will come but they wont change much

[tender stirrup]

wtf does blizzard have against fury?

[dense elbow]

Fury? No, warrior.

[young swan]

they just dont play the class

[tight roost]

725% of 202m tho

[turbid bay]

I mean raid fury is fine m+ they arent sure how to change it

[untold moth]

Un

Cap

[tight roost]

Will make it your top dps ability

205m

[turbid bay]

Like people say to uncap the aoe

[dense elbow]

we are fine
its fine
this is fine

[turbid bay]

When have they ever done that tho

[tender stirrup]

sure, let me see ehow many fury they will take on race to world first

[spare steppe]

so question, does the 5%-> 8% buff to mystic touch buff slayer more than thane?

[dense elbow]

Shouldnt, as Thane is stormstrike

Hold on, is lightning nature?

[red berry]

what

[dense elbow]

Guess there is a very minor diff

[untold moth]

Lightning is nature damage, ye

[tight roost]

What am i not understanding?

[spare steppe]

ah but thunder blast is stormstrike not lightning. are the ionizing strikes nature or stormstrike?

[young swan]

the answer is that slayer is buffed more

[upbeat blade]

it was incredibly weak before

[spare steppe]

makes sense. appreciate the insight folks

[slim coral]

the real answer is warrior is giga useless in keys still

[tight roost]

Oh thats after buff lol, eu brain

[slim coral]

so don't worry

[tight roost]

Not exciting then

[spare steppe]

but raid!

[turbid bay]

Not unless your prot

[spare steppe]

i gotta continue to be 6 /8 and be sad

[forest knot]

Boycott

[oblique thistle]

See you guys in midnight

[jagged ledge]

For the ionizing strikes if you’re in single target do all 5 go on the one target or does only one strike go?

[earnest canyon]

good night sweet prince

[lean bluff]

Went to the gym. Is warrior saved finally?

[upbeat plume]

well thats a little disheartening, radio silence from devs andd then just a tier set adjustment (obviously expected with how strong they were but still the only thing?)

[edgy widget]

nature

[untold moth]

Saved from playing season 3, yea

[turbid bay]

Go back to the gym warrior aint worth your time

[edgy widget]

Ionizing Strike is now around 11% of Thane's single target damage and 3.5% of its multitarget damage

[lean bluff]

We’re so back holy. Out of the way arcane and boomkin. Front page of m+ leaderboard gonna be all brown

[edgy widget]

was a good glow up for the set, but really just a ST change, so still a lot to be done

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-hard-lol-lmao-oh-wait-youre-serious-let-me-laugh-even-harder-gif-16553942

[sullen dove]

why is fury thane st higher than arms colo st

[tight roost]

Well no point obsessing over work in progress

[thick fossil]

Stop trying to make sense of any of it. It's fucking Blizzard throwing darts at the board again.

[edgy widget]

because its tier just got buffed by 867%

[sullen dove]

[thick fossil]

And will still be a joke.

[turbid bay]

Colossus st was always eh

[edgy widget]

I mean no, it's a pretty respectable tier set now (in ST)

[lean bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-margarita-ville-stock-market-wheel-headless-gif-17896977

[thick fossil]

Yeah in ST. We were already ok in ST

[turbid bay]

Hopefully we have a thane fight this tier

[ruby osprey]

Sims from update channel is with seismic fix I guess ? (well might've guessed wrong reading the last part about aoe again)

[turbid bay]

Stix being only one was lame

[narrow fossil]

So thane is better than slayer now?

And why slayer got a nerf?

[upbeat plume]

you can see the numbers in the update channel

thane is far from being better

[thick fossil]

I can't wait to start seeing the official forums posts on these "buffs"

[upbeat plume]

Im just kind of burned out on caring, either they will adjust things or well get yet another few tweaks of some minor dials with little change to any underlying problems

[young swan]

there was only 1 in nerubar too

[orchid dagger]

they buffed the proc, but its still dogshit

[tight roost]

yeah i realized that screenshot i was referring to was post buff, mb

[sullen dove]

proc rate needs a buff

[slim coral]

the TC and TB cd needs to go

[narrow fossil]

Which melee spec looks like fury? Enha or frost dk?

[slim coral]

Or up the stacks you can hold of TB

[slim coral]

fdk

[ashen tendon]

I dont want to play fury for another tier

[sullen dove]

play arms

[kindred notch]

warrior dead ?

[sullen dove]

true

warrior deadge

[kindred notch]

why ?

[sullen dove]

why think it is

its def better next tier than it is now

[ashen tendon]

I will play whatever is better, but I wont like it

[sullen dove]

still ass in some aspects

[ashen tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/madge-gif-23552833

[sullen dove]

arms n fury pretty even this patch

[kindred notch]

play hunter

[sullen dove]

weal

[slim coral]

why is

dk up

[earnest canyon]

play mistweaver but refuse to heal and just dps

[quiet breach]

yo

where blue post for thane tier set buff

[slim coral]

on blue webiste

just goggle wow blue post trakcer

[quiet breach]

ty

[ashen tendon]

based

[quiet breach]

Mountain Thane
Manaforge Omega 2-set bonus – Ionizing Strike damage increased by 725%.
Manaforge Omega 4-set bonus – Increases damage of Ionizing Strike by 100% (was 50%).
lolwhat

725%????

is that real or typo

[oblique thistle]

It's real

Big ST increase, still shit in aoe

[winter shoal]

it's hard to overstate how dogshit 2p was before

[quiet breach]

well, ionizing strike hits 5 targets right?

[oblique thistle]

It's proc rate is terrible

[lean bluff]

This might actually be the solution https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/2nd-version-of-m-for-target-capped-specs-suggestion/2129360

[oblique thistle]

That's the main issue

[spare steppe]

target caps are good

[modest condor]

i am now on 2nd m+ camp

[spare steppe]

solely for making sure chickens feel like they have value

[dense elbow]

That moment when you learn, yes - we are 5t capped, but no - we aint the best DPS even at 5t.

So 2nd M+ would just be a 2nd place to que simulator

[sullen dove]

no

[smoky vale]

swordish can i send you something coo

[inland flame]

To my understanding, each Blast procs 5 single-target bolts, so you don't get more damage out of AoE. If you only hit one target with Blast they all 5 just hit that target.

[winter shoal]

In testing previously, the proc rate did seem higher in aoe

even though it shouldn't

[slim coral]

yes

send him it

[inland flame]

Is that maybe because the tier can proc off of Reverb duped strikes?

[bitter palm]

thoughts?

[dense elbow]

seems about right

[slim coral]

this st

[bitter palm]

god explode this spec please 🙏

[bitter palm]

y

ptr sim

[slim coral]

seesm good for me

[bitter palm]

real

[graceful rapids]

Hell yea

[modest condor]

no it's aoe whirlwind is a permanent buff now

[slim coral]

[upbeat plume]

honestly My only hope for thse season if they dont do meaningful changes is that we can just send SD on proc, Ill be moderatly happy if that ends up being the case regardless of other shit

[modest condor]

also my internet dropped right as you got into a halls of atonement group so i missed the whole run

[young swan]

the dk almost doubled him and he lost by 1.5m to the other dps

[modest condor]

sounds about right

[dense elbow]

In HoA, can we still use gargs for clearing faster?

[slim coral]

dk owned

the vods up tho if you feel like seeing it

[winter shoal]

whose vod

[slim coral]

mine

[sinful spoke]

insane kill on muggy

but logs

[oblique thistle]

💣

[edgy widget]

Thane wasn't lol

[hollow leaf]

fairly certain that the patch notes are wrong in terms of the numbers btw

[winter shoal]

Classic blizzard

[hollow leaf]

it says 725%, but seems it's 625%.
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/spell=1236421/warrior-mountain-thane-11-2-class-set-2pc
wowhead which checks the spelldata puts it at 150% ap.
If it was a 725% increase that's 0.2068 * (1+7.25) = 1.7061 (0.2068 is the ap_coefficient of ionizing strikes)
However, if you change the 725% to 625%: 0.2068 * (1+6.25) = 1.4993 suddenly it matches with what wowhead says based on the spelldata

should be on mimiron soon

[indigo arch]

Enjoying the crickets from blizz about fury in M+ still

[edgy widget]

it was 625 yes, they fucked up the patch notes

[hollow leaf]

yep

[edgy widget]

not unusual at all, that's why you never trust what they say and wait to see what they do

[hollow leaf]

mhm

[edgy widget]

whoever compiled it probably saw "2p +625%" and "4p increases by 100%" and added them together

[hollow leaf]

thank god for spelldata scraping

[thick fossil]

Yeah, Thane ST was dog poo. Slayer ST is good though. Which is weird when you think about the hero fantasy behind it.

[edgy widget]

doesn't really matter though, it's an insignificant performative difference and the set/hero was still shit regardless

[thick fossil]

Yeah, sad but true

[hollow leaf]

Idk if my math is right but looked like a ~1.3% st increase to thane and a ~1.2% st loss to slayer? Smart people like archi can probably confirm

and call me silly

[edgy widget]

Set is way more than +1% ST for Thane, the numbers I linked you earlier are in #updates-midnight

[sullen dove]

Bro padding on shooters

[sinful spoke]

🙉

its to keep jugg stacks up

[winter shoal]

shooters are excluded now innit

[sinful spoke]

yea

[uncut summit]

Either that or " 0.6 * 7.25, thats 725% increased damage"

[final eagle]

At this point surely we get a rework next xpac right??

[dense fulcrum]

why not this season

[winter shoal]

one left

Surely I omega blast on gally right

[thick fossil]

Depends

[compact knot]

ts pmo 🥀

[winter shoal]

Arms L

[compact knot]

Arms W

[winter shoal]

Nice mugzee tho king

[compact knot]

its not r1 anymore i dont think

so not sure why its labled as such

[winter shoal]

A gold is a gold

[compact knot]

@radiant coyote has it

my goat

[slim coral]

[winter shoal]

You're goin in the bin after I pipe gally in a min bud

Also sort that Stix log out

Those all star points aren't adding up 🤔

[compact knot]

stix is a fake boss bro

[winter shoal]

Yeah but I gotta yap about SOMETHING

[compact knot]

stix is also the only boss i have gotten r1 for on every difficulty

because im the only colossus believer

[winter shoal]

HOLY

gamer moment

but not the racist kind

[compact knot]

never racist

need more arms warrior to believe in colossus in raid

shit cranks

man i should have played it on mugzee before they removed the shockers

30 million demolish on the shocker

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bus-grumpy-car-driving-gif-9267379998701770684

[winter shoal]

And then you do tank dam the rest of the fight

[compact knot]

well yeah

[junior gale]

Silken Court colossus was a banger

[winter shoal]

RA thane on silken was peak

[chilly fractal]

I think a blue parse on Mug is best im getting unless my guild changes strats

[turbid bay]

How is your guilds strat affecting mug parse?

Not lusting around avatar?

Or are they lusting on pull?

[winter shoal]

We lust at the start of p2 at like 4:00

3:45 ig

Just send reck bs BIS

[turbid bay]

Yeah i dont even intentionally cleave and you can cruise above 90+

[winter shoal]

Well cleaving does nothing at this point

[turbid bay]

The adds dont contribute?

I havent really looked tbh

[winter shoal]

Goons are included but you can't cleave off them

Shockers are excluded

Not sure about rocketeers

Rocketeers are included it seems

[turbid bay]

Yeah you could defintely juice a bit off them

[winter shoal]

You bet I can

[turbid bay]

Oof you hold 2nd bs for that?

But yeah if your chasing 99/100 almost certainly want to hold bs for that first rocketeer

Part of the reason why arms does better on this boss ss and bladestorm line up well for adds

And execute lust of course

[winter shoal]

Didn't intentionally hold BS

Just lucky timing with cdr

[turbid bay]

Heck mine usually comes up early for that one. Probs could hit it earlier just after it jumps and spin in the fire puddle with enraged regen

But eh

[winter shoal]

Got griefed on gally gg

[quiet breach]

we just spent over 2 hours wiping on mugzee on reclear 😄

everyone is pissed af

(still havent killed it)

[winter shoal]

Classic

[turbid bay]

Thats why i just dont worry about padding dmg

Just maximise boss dmg mindlessly

[quiet breach]

we had a 0.03% wipe too 😄

[turbid bay]

Rather just get reclears done

[quiet breach]

0.03% not 0.3

[turbid bay]

Honestly gally is a weird fight

Pretty strat dependant on how your group manages the adds

In p1

For parse stuff

Been running wrecking throw on gally its been nice

[old hedge]

whats the general community vibe around fury for next season? Particularly in regards to mythic plus? Or is to too soon to have a vibe?

[alpine steppe]

Was thinking, they are probably traumatized (for some stupid reason) about uncapped roar and odyns.

Why not make TB soft cap to 8 instead.

That change doesnt buff ST and actually helps.

[edgy widget]

because it's rotational, and rotational abilities are generally softcapped at 5

e.g. cleave, meat cleaver, thunder clap

and then cooldown are usually 8
e.g. bladestorm, ravager, roar (sort of)

[junior gale]

Couldnt you argue that Reap is rotational as well

[edgy widget]

but then you have other abilities that are just arbitrarily uncapped or capped at an unusual value (Spear and OF are 5 for no particular reason)

[junior gale]

Blizzard and consistency

[edgy widget]

you could, though it is a proc and not an entirely reliable effect

[edgy widget]

pretty much lol

[quiet breach]

rate fury next season / 10 yall

compared to this season

from what we know so far

[flat river]

/10

[winter shoal]

On what axis

Slurry is pretty fun, damage is okay

Thane is the same as now but stinky numbers

[quiet breach]

stinky

[edgy widget]

idk about rate, but it's looking way better than this season overall

Thane still needs jesus, but Slayer and Colossus are yoked

[hushed gust]

let's go beyblade meta still in the hopium tank

[dense fulcrum]

arms angle for m+ this season too

[fickle cedar]

nice yoke its fury slayer time

[sullen dove]

cluegi

[turbid bay]

Im kind of sick of playing arms only in m+

[dense fulcrum]

yes

[turbid bay]

Its kind of weird that i have stats for fury but play arms more

[dense fulcrum]

but is the only spec between the two that can pull some human number and not being 1.5m dps behind the top dps cuz ur hardcapped

[flat river]

slayer needs to make raging blow reap proc chance increase with target count

and we gucci

[edgy widget]

na, then you would literally never press BT

[hushed gust]

agreed. that'd be too much, i think.

although, it would be funny to be permanently spamming the bladestorm animation

[edgy widget]

I already don't like how devalued BT is, but at least it still has a place in multitarget

and the 4p isn't bad in multitarget by any means

[hushed gust]

i'd be interested to see if we still hit BT on CD in AoE, or if we just fill when we're out of RB charges.

[radiant coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/dob-dob-dob-rizz-black-man-ha-ha-ha-gif-17039177668047803738

[edgy widget]

yes, you prioritize BT in AoE because it has a higher chance to trigger Reap

[heavy galleon]

I guess I'll just afk this shitty season again. Midnight waiting room

[dense fulcrum]

another expansion another delusion

embrace the void

[flat river]

next expansion void themed

so they nerf us to the void

💀

[icy topaz]

Got first ever CE yesterday, feelsgoodman

[covert coyote]

large grats brother

[glad tinsel]

725% increase on 2 set sound like a lot was the 2 set really that bad i knew it was bad but not that bad on ptr?

[edgy widget]

it was that bad

and even more hilariously, it's still that bad
see #updates-midnight

[opal ruin]

The fact that it's a 35% chance to proc, on another proc

Might make it bad no matter what are the numbers

[shrewd mango]

Sorry, haven't played in a while but returning for next season.

What does this mean " holding for 3 marks and gaming Juggernaut,"?

Specifically the juggenaut part. Is juggernaut legit now with the new tier set?

[indigo arch]

Haven't tried the ptr yet, is arms still frying fury in m+ going off ptr?

Really wanna return to fury lmao

[echo rapids]

It’s funny because to me it screams that they don’t sim their PTR changes, just grab numbers that feel right and throw them out there

[indigo arch]

Going off the first two seasons of m+ they're dartboarding it, but helen keller is the dart thrower

They need an intern to turn them toward the board

[edgy widget]

Eh, they tend to do things very piecemeal, and fwiw, the changes did turn it into a respectable tier bonus, just not an overpowered one like Slayer and Colossus

an extra 10% from an OP bonus would certainly make it a lot better, but even then Thane would still be kinda down bad

so really, the fault just lies with Thane as a whole at the moment

[echo rapids]

I mean a 35% chance for thunder blast to deal 5x 20% attack power just looks weak if you have any idea how much damage other abilities do

[edgy widget]

Sure, but that's what they just buffed

people like to forget that it's a test server, not a preview server - there's no onus to have everything even necessarily working, much less in a balanced state (though obviously it'd be better for us if that were the case)

[echo rapids]

Right but that 20% AP ratio was evidently just a placeholder number

And way off what would be meaningful

[edgy widget]

perhaps, but there's nothing wrong with that either

[echo rapids]

I’d just be curious to see how they assign those initial values

[edgy widget]

Well that's easy; the number was chosen because they based Ionizing Strike to be comparable to a Lightning Strike's worth of damage

• 20.68 * 5 = 103.4 which is the exact same coeff as Lightnig Strike

the difference, of course, is that Lightning Strike triggers much more often, and also has a few other hidden modifiers under the hood that may (or may not, this is pure speculation) have been overlooked

but if I had to hazzard a guess, I would say that the design probably went something along the lines of starting off with lightning strike #2, then deciding that having it on a high proc rate alongside the original lightning strike resulted in too frequent random bolts of lightning on the screen, so they changed it to a % proc and just didn't get around to upping the damage before it hit the test server

[echo rapids]

Ahh yeah I was wondering where the exact number came from

Seems reasonable thought process

[edgy widget]

if you've ever worked in any kind of committee type environment you know how piecemeal and incremental stuff like this tends to happen, even seemingly simple things end up taking for-ev-er

[echo rapids]

This is true

Their 8 week patch cadence feels unsustainable

[edgy widget]

Yeah it's definitely a breakneck speed

and I'm not excusing the state of things, mind you, but I just can't really be assed to get upset about the state of things on PTR

• if it goes live still shit? Absolutely lambast them all you like, say we told you so, they don't listen, whatever, but I see not reason not to give them the benefit of the PTR to get their ducks in a row since that's what it's for

[echo rapids]

And I’m not even sure it’s good for the game

[fading sky]

i kindda expect em to get better in time

with practice, but mby im dumba

and so far at least for a semi casual as me, there havent been many major concerns

though it seems most issues has been with story content and stuff like that

[echo rapids]

8 boss raids certainly make more sense with that speed

[fading sky]

im happy its 8 bosses ngl, i just did a mog run in a legion raid

my god

[edgy widget]

I think a big part of it comes down to managing goals and expectations

• diehards power players (the kind of people who spend all day in discords like these) tend to care about balance and performance above all else
• but the 8-week cycle isn't really for them, it's meant to saturate players with content, give them things to do
• most players engaging with that kind of day-to-day content aren't really affected by the state of balance. It certainly doesn't matter how much damage you contribute to the Treasure Goblin or how quickly you can clear an Overcharged Delve

and again, that's not an excuse for bad balance, it's just a reality of the design goals for that 8-week cycle... and frankly, despite having a very dedicated "hardcore power player" scene, WoW has never really been built for it

[fading sky]

yeah i mainly care about balance in Raid, to be honest M+ will always be a near impossible thing to tune perfect

[edgy widget]

it's definitely not, which isn't to say it couldn't be better, but there's never going to be any such thing as even "good" balance in M+

[fading sky]

ofc fury has been rough this season, but in all honesty some classes just are better at that part

[echo rapids]

Even as a discord yapper who plays a fair amount the speed feels almost too much

[edgy widget]

the simple nature of an infinitely scaling system is that it will pyramid sooner or later, cutting out the majority of players in favor of an established meta - it's completely unavoidable

the best you can hope for is that you are part of that meta, but even that isn't a solution - it just foists the problem off onto someone else instead

They could make Warriors the strongest class in every facet of the game, but that doesn't solve the problem, it just transfers it to someone else instead

[edgy widget]

Well that's easy, just do the shit you care about and don't care about the rest 😛

[fading sky]

Yeah

i will say i havent participated as much this season

[edgy widget]

I've been playing this game for 20 years and I long ago came to the realization that I don't have to do everything

[fading sky]

i felt like some of the DF quests

[edgy widget]

I don't have to collect every little last thing that I'm never going to use anyway

[fading sky]

were better

like the Blue dragon questline

[tight roost]

Heretical!

[fading sky]

i didnt really enjoy the whole goblin quest lines as much

and the other ones feel very empty, i had high arathi hopes.

[edgy widget]

I liked the goblin themes and area, didn't really like the major characters very much

[echo rapids]

M+ has become pretty important in the game and helpfully they spend an approximate amount of effort balancing it. They have honestly done a great job with raid balancing

[fading sky]

i mean M+ is balanced fine

up until a 12 key so far

so thats what 3k rating

[edgy widget]

it was literally just another "friendship is magic" plotline, substituting dragons for gobbos
completely undercut all previous characterizations in the process too
and the entire Gallywix plotline was just a standin for Bobby Kotick, which is funny but also really cringe

[fading sky]

thats not horrible tbh

[echo rapids]

I think the issue for me is that they made higher keys more accessible

[fading sky]

i mean higher keys start at

15+

[edgy widget]

it made higher keys more accessible by inflating the numbers lol

nothing actually changed

[fading sky]

yea the bar for higher keys moves

[edgy widget]

8 just became 12 just became 15

[fading sky]

with scaling:S

[echo rapids]

Right as spec balance around aoe starts to become more pronounced

[fading sky]

it truly does not matter in a 12-15 key

u will blast if u know how to blast

[echo rapids]

Yeah but look at the single button rotation

Clearly we don’t all know how to blast

[fading sky]

Heavily inflated by gear

if u look at metrics of who they compete against

[edgy widget]

the people seriously in need of single button rotations aren't doing 12-15 anyway

[fading sky]

at least the HC logs in raid

is 100% coz they competing vs shitters

[opal ruin]

If slayer and thane are at the same dps level in a m+ context, do you think having a monk can make slayer a better choice due to more physical damage even if the damage profile is less adapted to m+ context ?

[fading sky]

i mean they arent

@edgy widget do u know why they seem to buff raid buffs atm ?

8% mystic touch seems like A LOT?

[opal ruin]

It's for raid context

To have same value to dh and monk buffs

Half melees do mostly magic damage

[edgy widget]

it's really not tbh

[echo rapids]

Don’t they say something about how there’s just less physical damage

[edgy widget]

even at 8%, Mystic Touch is still largely worse than Chaos Brand

it'd need to be more like 10% to match contributions in a typical raid group

[fading sky]

well individually for me as a warrior

its a lot to miss out on

[echo rapids]

Even a lot of ostensibly physical classes do a lot of magic

[fading sky]

but as a raid

[opal ruin]

Pure physical classes are very very few in the game :
-War (if not thane)
-BM hunter
-Rogue outlaw
-Feral
-Monk

[edgy widget]

yeah, most classes don't do full physical, even Warrior isn't full anymore (though it's pretty close)

[echo rapids]

But there are plenty of full magic classes

[edgy widget]

exactly, that's why Chaos Brand contributes more overall

[fading sky]

sad part is we are going to be 5% worse than brand classes then

if we arent buffed

that is asd

[edgy widget]

there are 3 people in your raid doing full physical and 11 doing mostly if not all magical

[edgy widget]

well you already were, so not much changed there

[fading sky]

another 5% 😄

[edgy widget]

3%, which is actually more like 2.8%

[fading sky]

Arms looks cooked

if fury is simming higher in ST i dno man

why would u touch arms in raid then

[echo rapids]

It’s not the worst move in the world as most of that list could use a little buff I think

[fading sky]

dies more - less dmg ?

[edgy widget]

same reason you did this tier

[fading sky]

well this tier it was almost equal

[edgy widget]

better damage profile, 2 target cleave, strong Execute phase, whatever

anyway, as far as Mystic Touch is concerned, I suppose the real question is whether they're tuning with the expectation of having these buffs active or not, which we don't really know

[fading sky]

like i was what 50k apart now its 200k

[edgy widget]

but overall I wouldn't really worry about it, it's not that significant a change

[opal ruin]

Damage profile is the reason to arms

[edgy widget]

it was like 2% apart at the start of Season 2; atm Season 3 is closer to 7%, which is still a pretty small difference, and we haven't even made formal profiles yet

[fading sky]

i mean if overall dmg starts to change to much, it doesnt truly matter in 99% of cases

[edgy widget]

don't worry so much about hypotheticals though, especially ones that aren't fleshed out yet

[opal ruin]

In a matter of progress, strong execute phase is very very strong, one of the reasons we don't see much deva before end of season even if it do crazy damage

[edgy widget]

still gonna be more tuning, more apl updates, more gear polish

[opal ruin]

The longer the fight, the weaker they are

[gleaming siren]

If they didn't tune with them in mind they'd be pretty shite at tuning any attack power based spec

[edgy widget]

and then once the season launches, there will probably be even more changes that throw out everything we spent time theorizing

[slim coral]

Idk why they don’t have the hoa trinket on the vendor

[edgy widget]

such is the life of WoW

[slim coral]

I understand why no sacbrood trinket cause that’s all people would run

[gleaming siren]

What do you mean don't see much Deva

[opal ruin]

1st week update is the most meta breaking patch each season

[gleaming siren]

Deva sees plenty of play

Huh

[smoky vale]

gm schmidi

i got +1 io today

[opal ruin]

In mythic raid progression

[gleaming siren]

Gz

[smoky vale]

why doesnt spongie_x want to be my discord friend

😦

[gleaming siren]

@warm crag

[slim coral]

@smoky vale yo

[gleaming siren]

Uhh yea we saw plenty of Dev for Undermine prog, before it got buffed to the moon

[jolly parrot]

anyone got a opener macro with cds + best in slots? it keeps casting it if i pop a sec before pull

[gleaming siren]

/use [combat] Best-in-Slots

Problem solved

[opal ruin]

There were plenty of mage, deva was here for his buff because aug is beyond trash and evoker heal not in good spot

[sour frigate]

17+

15 u can complete with semi afk dps in a pug

[narrow fossil]

Hello guys, for the corrupted enchant in the helm i have to farm 1000 pouints every time i change helm to enchant it?

[fading sky]

yes

Question is

[narrow fossil]

crazy sistem

[sullen dove]

Just… don’t change it after picking void ritual

[narrow fossil]

In DF the enchant was perma in the inventory but now isnt right?

[jolly parrot]

is new belt quest bugged

[fading sky]

no?

[compact siren]

He loudly announced that he received a friend request from you in VC

He is thinking about it

[clever belfry]

BimmyBonBon

[gleaming siren]

JimmyJonJon is in a VC with Spongie_x regularly?

holy

[clever belfry]

i think bimmybonbon

should leave work rn

[last nacelle]

Hi mate !, honestly the nerf on slayer was nécesary or no ? (Instead of colossus nerf was mandatory and same for thane buff)

[compact siren]

I hate spongie

[gleaming siren]

lets kill him

[tardy lark]

ingame ofc

[gleaming siren]

of course

World PvP

[clever belfry]

spongie is a lil rat he has warmode off

[cobalt kernel]

has anyone tried netherprism?

[earnest canyon]

What's that? New boss?

[hardy bluff]

spymaster but strength agi

[cobalt kernel]

^

have many options, obviously it may change and depends on what the robot says but im just thinking on what ill use

[earnest canyon]

Oh.

[south kayak]

I hope this isn't the end for the thane set tuning, proc chance needs to be increased

[warm crag]

Double the damage scaling again

[warm crag]

Her is resurrected on ptr

[warm crag]

Can you stop leaking

[gleaming siren]

With none of the actual benefit of Spymaster

[clever belfry]

mages winning again

[acoustic zodiac]

Hey guys. Have we seen any notes regarding spec changes? Or has it only been tuning, especially tier set tuning?

[sudden tusk]

: )

[jolly marten]

i waiting for your calls on the changes.. only you i trust

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/starkade-star-kade-kadestar-starkade-credits-gif-27226804

[gusty compass]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1284895108470407188/1392090318316507176/clideo_editor_8b257e90d95248b39343b7572467dc89-ezgif.com-crop.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1333755767714611230/0128.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1392127609269256314/image0.gif

[midnight sierra]

Hi all, coming back from 11.1 after a good break. Excited for 11.2. What new awesome changes do we have in store for us as fury warriors?

[remote bobcat]

#updates-midnight

tldr: thane is ass, slayer is rly fast paced in raid

more executes that actually hit rly hard

lots more bladestorms

more slayers strikes

etc

[midnight sierra]

Thank you!

[thick fossil]

Too bad you'll still want a WA to ding to hit execute.

[remote bobcat]

^

[rotund ginkgo]

Just be good

:5head:

[thick fossil]

I'd rather execute be a button you actually send on cool down. Not something you use to game Jug buff.

[heavy galleon]

How can them nerf our set without nothing in compensation

[humble shadow]

It's weird how busted other tier sets are yet they decided to nerf ours

[thick fossil]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/ptr-slayer-set-nerf/2129672/7

[humble shadow]

Lol

[thick fossil]

It's a good joke, but it's sadly an actual answer to what happened.

[fading sky]

It has to be no?

Arms caught the same stray

🤣

[thick fossil]

It sadly makes sense. lol\

[humble shadow]

If something good don't come for us in the next couple weeks it might be a lock tier for me

[thick fossil]

I'll give ya some advice. Don't hold your breath.

[fading sky]

Said the 1 fdk to the other

Well my dk is also rdy

[cerulean badger]

I just asked chatgpt what it would change to make fury more viable as a joke

And its scary good

[earnest canyon]

what did it say

[cerulean badger]

Should I copy Paste it?

Its a Bit Long

[earnest canyon]

can you just summarise it?
idk the rules on essays

[cerulean badger]

Absolutely! Here’s a mock Blizzard-style patch note for Fury Warrior buffs — crafted to position the spec as meta in the next World of Warcraft: Dragonflight season (focused on PvE and PvP viability):

⸻

⚔️ Fury Warrior

“Fueled by rage, and now by meaningful damage…”

To improve Fury Warrior’s performance in high-end content and reinforce its identity as a relentless berserker, we’ve implemented targeted buffs to core abilities, talent synergies, and utility. These changes aim to make Fury a competitive option in both Mythic+ and Raiding, while providing PvP enhancements that reward aggressive gameplay.

⸻

💥 Core Abilities
• Rampage damage increased by 10%.
• Bloodthirst damage increased by 20%. Self-healing increased by 30%.
• Raging Blow damage increased by 15%.
• Odyn’s Fury:
• Damage-over-time effect increased by 20%.
• Cooldown reduced to 30 seconds (was 45 seconds).

⸻

🧠 Talents
• Slaughtering Strikes:
• Critical strike bonus increased to 30% (was 20%).
• Titanic Rage:
• Now additionally causes Raging Blow to cleave 1 additional nearby target for 50% damage.
• Anger Management:
• Rage spent now reduces the cooldown of Recklessness by 1 second (was 0.75s).
• Unshackled Fury (Redesigned):
• Now also causes Recklessness to be immune to dispels and purges while active.

⸻

🛡️ New Passive – Battlefield Veteran
• While Recklessness is active, nearby allies gain 2% increased primary stat for 10 seconds.
• (Does not stack with similar effects. Inspired by the warrior’s presence on the battlefield.)

Developer Note: This provides Fury with light group utility in Mythic+ and raids without stepping on the toes of spec-defining buffs from other

And a Bit more I cut Off

[earnest canyon]

wonder where it got most of that from? reddit?

[cerulean badger]

No idea. But scary that it can even produce this

It says Dragonflight though, so Not Sure it takes the Right data

[earnest canyon]

yeah im wondering where it gets the data from

[summer quail]

Wow those changes are pretty ass

[fading sky]

More power to strikes🤣🤣

[muted tulip]

ai slop actually better than what we got

[summer quail]

is it tho? it's putting even more power into raging blow somehow

[muted tulip]

well it can tell we need buff and not nerf

[summer quail]

that's coz he asked it for buffs

you can ask it for nerfs as well and it will give that

[sour frigate]

[fading sky]

🤣

[sour frigate]

Oh nooo

[fading sky]

I got it

50 euro

[sour frigate]

I missed my 50 bux

[mossy fox]

i'd say it's scary bad

i hate it when recklessness gets purged though

[oblique trail]

@clever belfry how good is warrior after the changes? are you excited for s3?

[gleaming siren]

@anda how good is warrior after the changes? are you excited for s3?

[gleaming siren]

average AI slop

[clever belfry]

do it right

[clever belfry]

if warrior isnt the best class in all content i will explode

[gleaming siren]

@clever belfry how balls is ballsior after the balls? are you excited for balls?

[oblique trail]

lil bro is playing a new account

he's too far gone

[clever belfry]

my boredom knows no bounds

[oblique trail]

you can always go explore on my account

[clever belfry]

nyo

[oblique trail]

and get enough pulls to get mavuika and citlali

[clever belfry]

im not pulling mav on ur account

[oblique trail]

unreasonable when I have Arle

[clever belfry]

with pjws!!!

[warm crag]

1/5 of a 🪞

[oblique trail]

The numbers add up

[undone flower]

Am I dreaming

I just woke up

[gleaming siren]

clueless

[dense elbow]

I am still annoyed that they moved even more of our damage into monk

[warm crag]

Can you stop being so elitist

[gleaming siren]

Says the hamster with the streamer role

[undone flower]

Tbf at least I’m disappointed now

[dense elbow]

Is it too much to ask that warrior simply does it's own damage?

[ionic bone]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx8V3ycYc7lgXYbGiAg06PpYs_lKBkqDAQ?si=EBZUWu3afzeJ4bUa

[dense elbow]

#promotion

[ionic bone]

nah it's just a 15 sec insight to the class atm

[dense elbow]

Better be "warrior makes life's glow just that little bit more muted"

[undone flower]

I still can’t believe we just got nerfed

Really funny thane doesn’t reach 3m in the sim

[ionic bone]

I still can't believe fury will be dead for the whole expansion in m+

[versed palm]

TIme to swap tank or class

[undone flower]

Always has been

[ionic bone]

swapped since S1 nerf

altho i do keep him at max ilvl for raiding..

[ionic bone]

what's funny is how frost dk got buffed yet again thru the roof

and arcane mage not being touched

while fury is beyond the "need help" tier list

ik blizz are doing all their tuning only towards raid

but this is getting ridiculous

[undone flower]

Tbf, idk if it is in HELP tier, I mostly raid as fury

[pliant summit]

guys apparently fury is looking sexy next season can anyone confirm???

[marble pilot]

It looks good.
The numbers however are trash

From what ive seen. I havnt actually done any ptr time

[undone flower]

At least I will definitely not raid as thane tomorrow

[crude flame]

Noxiv will still manage to be at the top ><

[ionic bone]

imagine tuning a class towards 0.1% of the playerbase

[crude flame]

Wondering if thane bonus update will be ok

[unreal onyx]

the weekly quest overcharged bot is in a overcharged delve, right?

[ionic bone]

#updates-midnight

garbage ST, same as slayer in aoe

[restive peak]

Even noxiv swapped to arms this tier for some keys my dude, and having 1 spec competitive is fair for the most part

But yeah, it’s looking like an arms tier for M+ competitively again

A lot of tuning still to come though, also the monk buff will push phys comps into competitiveness possibly

But colossus arms fucks pretty hard soooo

[lean bluff]

You have to remember that everyone wants to be on top of the tuning meters. If warrior was strongly tuned it would mean other specs were undertuned by comparison and they would be just as upset as some of us are right now.

[marble pilot]

Still waiting on the hinted at utility

[lean bluff]

Blizzard have extremely limited resources I would not expect major changes until 13.0 or 14.0

[marble pilot]

so 2-3 expansions out lol

[lean bluff]

Ret, Shadow Priest, and Aug need full reworks and it’s not realistic to expect Blizzard to spend their precious time tuning a spec that’s already very popular and fun and quite strong all expansion

[marble pilot]

Why does ret need one? Isnt it the most popular spec by a ton? Also while it might be bad shadow just got one

[lean bluff]

You have to remember if warrior got a rework it would just shift the disgruntlement onto other classes

Which is not fair and it’s not realistic to expect from blizzard

Given their extremely limited resources

[marble pilot]

Feels like rage bait to be honest lol

[quiet breach]

isn't spriest rework on PTR right now?

[orchid dagger]

This guy is 100% baiting

[marble pilot]

Yeah its bait

[coarse nest]

I don’t even want a rework

I just want my abilities to do damage

[orchid dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/jebaited-low-quality-bait-wavy-man-gif-26402013

Little bro needs to step up his game

[silent swift]

Increase target cap would be nice too

[crude flame]

yeah, fury is quite good as it is, just it lack damage and is target capped

[marble pilot]

Glad we got you here buhsac to troll the bait

Hero we need

[orchid dagger]

You could call me a master baiter

[lean bluff]

Archi said the same thing yesterday and he’s right. Everyone wants to be on top of the meters and it’s not realistic to ever expect to be at the top and if you are it just means other classes are upset now

[orchid dagger]

We aren't even middle of the pack in most content

The class is fucking ass outside of maybe Prot on fights w/o magic damage

[lean bluff]

Fury is upper half on 5/8 mythic raid fights this tier. What more could you want?

[orchid dagger]

The only thing you could legitimately argue we are decent at is solo queue pvp because then you are competing for rank against your fellow spec

[orchid dagger]

M+
PvP

Oh wait

You clearly don't do those things

I know the best part about you ran down your mother's leg during conception, but holy fuck

[lean bluff]

Again tuning is always relative and if warrior all the sudden goes up that means other classes go down and are just as mad as we are

[crude flame]

on Murlok, Fury is 16/25.

for m+

24/25 in Solo Shuffe

[orchid dagger]

Are you not counting Aug?

17/26 in Blitz

[crude flame]

This season, I had to play Prot in M+ because i spent more time finding a group as fury than playing

[orchid dagger]

Yup

[plush zephyr]

Only time I got stuck looking for keys was around 17

Before that just ran my own

[orchid dagger]

You have to run your own keys because no one wants you

[crude flame]

yeah

[orchid dagger]

Arms is 7/26 and people still don't want you

[glad tinsel]

I'm really angry that blizzard treats dps warrior

Dps war wasn't even a special dealer in raid and m+ in season 2.

Even if it's okay in the raid, the m+ is in the middle-bottom.

I have to go with my stone. I can barely go.

I'm so disappointed looking at the season 3 ptr patch.

Even though the nerf to colossus Tier Set is a patch that makes the damage cycle run smoothly,

Slayer nerf (in fact, fury and arms both are nerf)

I heard that mountain was buffed, and when I tried it on ptr, it was still rubbish lol

Jobs that have more damage and utility than warriors are buffed.

Warrior is the lowest tier class in the m+ and is being nerfed

I guess Blizzard is saying that if you want to play as a warrior, go as a tank.

Seriously, I'm thinking about changing my job in season 3.

I don't know yet because there's a month left until season 3, but what's Blizzard's thinking?

I really don't understand why blizzard patching like this.

[orchid dagger]

First rule of brown class is fuck brown class

I have to say it every day because people still don't get the point

[crude flame]

We should have a BL shout, at least this would improve the odds to be taken in keys

[glad tinsel]

Just as the Death Knight got a buff by being whined, the Warrior also seems to need a lot of whining.

[orchid dagger]

There's a joke in my guild that our class color is such because Blizz is just a bunch of Southern gentlemen

[lean bluff]

Where exactly should warrior be on this tier list? Someone has to be at the bottom no matter what and they will always be upset about it

[orchid dagger]

Not the fucking bottom of the barrel

We are either in the asshalf of the roster, or scraping the bottom

[warm crag]

Buhsac when is the last time you entered a raid

[orchid dagger]

Monday when I was farming Ashes

[lean bluff]

If you’re hoping to be overtuned then you’re a fkn joker. You want blizzard to purposely overtune warrior to give you that sense of power over others you’re missing?

You have to think of the blowback. Imagine how bad it would feel for mages, for example to have warriors getting picked for M+ groups instead of them

[coarse nest]

Respectfully, fuck mages

[covert spire]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[warm crag]

Would somebody think of the mages

[coarse nest]

[dusky moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/253446173774315520/1060610510803980288/skateboardge.gif

[warm crag]

Did u get it

[orchid dagger]

[orchid dagger]

Fuck mages and fuck you

[warm crag]

Are the Legion wep tmogs also drop boosted?

[orchid dagger]

No

But Legion Remix is near

[lean bluff]

Not baiting. Archi literally said this same thing #fury message

[limber oar]

Wtf is legion remix

I keep hearing this

[warm crag]

No one will be playing that and Servers will be shut down after 2 days

[coarse nest]

Blizzard thinks I’m going to farm legion gear with this buff when remix is around the corner

[orchid dagger]

^

[coarse nest]

Classic sub farming

[orchid dagger]

clearly didn't do MoP Remix

[warm crag]

Im farming you in a minute

[coarse nest]

Yoo for free!?!?

[warm crag]

Turns out that modern class design in old content sucks

[orchid dagger]

Nah it was fine, you just blitzed through shit

If you were on the ball it was quick and easy

[junior oyster]

The point of remix was to be silly and steamroll old shit for mogs and mounts while leveling alts. It was fine

[orchid dagger]

^

[coarse nest]

We better get to be silly and steam roll legion remix

[warm crag]

I mean i didnt touch it but im glad it was there

[coarse nest]

That’s what makes it good

[orchid dagger]

Yeah, I want to walk into it and just shit on things with a High Warlord mog and vibe

[peak lagoon]

mop remix was just glorified tmog farming while cantrips did 99% of your dmg

i have not see worse content in the game

than that

[junior oyster]

It did what it set out to do

[orchid dagger]

^

[junior oyster]

And I had a decent time lol

[orchid dagger]

It wasn't meant to be hyper competitive or anything seruous

[peak lagoon]

it wouldnt have been different if they just made some mop event in retail where they rewarded tmog and shit

[junior oyster]

It was to kill time between things lol

[coarse nest]

It was cheap fun and you got all the mog mounts you might have missed

[chrome wraith]

the problem with warrior isn't the damage even if that is on the lower end. The real problem is we have dogshit utility

[junior oyster]

I liked it and am looking forward to the same silly shenanigans in legion. Be grumpy about it if you want

[coarse nest]

(Except challenge modes)

[coarse nest]

Stop asking for utility please and thank you

We Zug only

This is the way

[chrome wraith]

enjoy queue simulator

[peak lagoon]

dont think ive touched a key on my worrior in almost 2 months now

dont think my life has felt better than this in a long time

[warm crag]

Warrior would be obscenely broken if they had a battle res, even if it was just melee range and had a cast time of 2s or so

[coarse nest]

It’s key simulator for any spec that isn’t the top 3 dps

Don’t fool yourself

Don’t ask for more responsibility

[chrome wraith]

this has to be bait

[junior oyster]

I haven't seen the point of keys higher than whats needed for 3k... and I had the easiest time pugging to that point

[peak lagoon]

its bait

[coarse nest]

You just want to slam giant numbers on the screen and orbit bosses

[oblique trail]

It would be crazy if you could just buy this kind of battle res on the auction house

[coarse nest]

Not cleanse some nerd

[peak lagoon]

the amount of impact warrior has on keys and its ability to carry keys is obscenely low atm

[warm crag]

Broken utility

[modest condor]

they would never do that

[chrome wraith]

I don't even care to carry the key, I just want a reason to be brought in the first place

pugging to 3k was so painful last season lol

it was doable, but my god i'll never do that again

[coarse nest]

You didn’t do it in the first 2-3 weeks?

That’s why it took forever

Stay ahead of the curve

[chrome wraith]

I don't live on this game sorry m8

[coarse nest]

Neither do I

[warm crag]

You are conflating your pugging troubles with fury beint shit at m+

[coarse nest]

(As much as I want to btw)

[junior oyster]

I'll even bet money 50%+ of your rejections are cause youre applicant #5,641 on a posting too lol

[peak lagoon]

well the reason to be brought to keys is if you can carry it and increase the chances to complete it

[warm crag]

You'd suck ass at a mage aswell if you start pushing 4 weeks late

[chrome wraith]

Fury is shit at m+, i just used my key most of the time tbh lol

[peak lagoon]

if youre just a silly pure dps boy you either have to be overtuned or eat dirt

[orchid dagger]

^

[coarse nest]

^

That’s all specs btw

[chrome wraith]

Which is exactly my point lol

[coarse nest]

Literally does not matter what utility you have

[peak lagoon]

playing ret compared to warrior in keys

[coarse nest]

If your damage is shit you ain’t going

[peak lagoon]

is night and day difference

[chrome wraith]

we need utility, so that we're still worth bringing

[peak lagoon]

id bring augs over fury warriors in keys atm

[coarse nest]

We literally have one of the best aoe stuns in the game as colossus

And a decently long st stun

We bring attack power

[chrome wraith]

bro. nobody is bringing you for your stun

[orchid dagger]

^

Everyone stuns now

This isn't Vanilla

[peak lagoon]

and then i have a stinky arms warrior in my key

who dies to a mob sneezing at you

[chrome wraith]

this guy is actually hard stuck 1.5k rating

[coarse nest]

What do you want to be doing off healing and cleansing people?

That sounds like shit gameplay

That isn’t warrior like

[chrome wraith]

bro you're literally strawmanning

[peak lagoon]

youre the reason they murdered rally

for sure

guys i have to press a party spell once every 3 minutes

waaa

[chrome wraith]

utility could be crit damage,lust, armor pen

[coarse nest]

Rally should be buffed in 5 man content back to 30%

[orchid dagger]

Intervene
Rallying Cry
Berserker Shout

[chrome wraith]

tons of different ways to do it lol

[coarse nest]

I don’t disagree with that

[marble pilot]

mmmm armor pen

[orchid dagger]

Oh wait, all pvp buttons

[peak lagoon]

SL intervene with a dmg reduction on it

holy

[orchid dagger]

And we are still dogshit in pvp

[chrome wraith]

well then why are you shadowboxing with yourself about cleansing players lol

[peak lagoon]

bring back intervene DR

[limber oar]

Pvp players dont have valid opinions

[narrow narwhal]

Man am I glad I don't play this game anymore

[peak lagoon]

that shit was great

[coarse nest]

People always crying in here that we need more utility

No we don’t we need more Zug

[chrome wraith]

Pvp players are generally better than pver's tbf

[orchid dagger]

Because we don't in a pve context

[peak lagoon]

go play fury and then play ret and compare how much more controll you have influencing your parties survivability

its crazy

[orchid dagger]

^

[chrome wraith]

ret is even easier to play than fury lmfao

[peak lagoon]

i might aswell turn off party frames on warrior

[coarse nest]

I have and you’re correct but every class doesn’t need to be paladin

[gusty compass]

Can the theory crafters or the people that got a voice for the warrior community talk some fucking sense to Blizzard? We are less then a month away from the new season and EVERYONE that is PTR testing our spec is putting us DEAD ASS last place. The fuck is Blizzard doing? the same shit every fucking season and expansion.

[coarse nest]

Some classes can just be about damage

[lean bluff]

Ya. Dps meta for M+ has nothing to do with utility - except in aug seasons.

[coarse nest]

Our “utility” should just be giving our team more damage

We’re warriors

[orchid dagger]

If I want to do even half of a Ret's job I have to do some scuffed Shield Block macro + Intervene shit

[chrome wraith]

I would agree with you brew, however we don't get the damage because the devs have decided its not our design niche

so, in light of that we ask for utility

[peak lagoon]

the thing is if you can influence keys more especially for people who pug, even if your dmg is mid at best itll still increase your chances of being picked for a key

[chrome wraith]

it's not rocket science

[marble pilot]

Go full circle. are abilites put sunder armor on the enemy that become our utility

[peak lagoon]

so you only have to sit in queue for 20 minutes instead of 40

[orchid dagger]

Archi steelmanned Blizz in the wowhead article, it's over

[peak lagoon]

yipee

[chrome wraith]

increased phys damage should've been a warrior ability not a monk one

especially when they already have great utility like RoP

[peak lagoon]

bshout is infinitly better than monk buff

dont compare the two tyvm

[lean bluff]

Again, if warrior is suddenly at the top in M+ it just shifts this disgruntlement onto other classes. Everyone wants to be at the top, but it’s not realistic to expect

[peak lagoon]

bro shut up about the top

[gusty compass]

Wtf is steelmanned xD Sorry for a stupid question

[peak lagoon]

i want fury to not feel shit when you pull more than 5 mobs

and compete with the tank

[coarse nest]

Look at UDK, do you really think it’s brought because it has ams and grip? Or do you think it’s brought because it does 2m overall higher damage then everyone else

[orchid dagger]

Reverse strawman

[limber oar]

Dont listen to buhsac, hes a pvper

[coarse nest]

[chrome wraith]

also what the fuck is up with that lol. Why doesn't everyone have uncapped aoe

the meta is always uncapped aoe/utility comps

[peak lagoon]

well you need both prio and aoe dmg in your comp

but arcane mage has the same target cap

but infinitly more dmg

[chrome wraith]

which those classes usually have

[orchid dagger]

[coarse nest]

The meta is always the highest damage composition and they make whatever utility that has work

[peak lagoon]

and has mass barrier

[gusty compass]

https://tenor.com/view/speak-english-chris-tucker-rush-hour-gif-1797440884656457189

[peak lagoon]

and 10 times more survivability if you have hands

[chrome wraith]

yeah and they always just so happen to have a ton of utility lol

[orchid dagger]

^

[chrome wraith]

do you even play the game brew?

look at the leaderboards lol

[orchid dagger]

DK is bitching about losing key tools in their kit for a reason

[hardy shuttle]

The utility is also kind of inflated because the meta always has long cd or no kicks on a few classes

[peak lagoon]

M+ dk defo taking a hit especially amz being worse in keys

[chrome wraith]

DK,Paladin,Venge,Priest,Druid

[hardy shuttle]

So caster comps always bitch about more utility

[modest condor]

because everybody was drooling over dk utility before it did the most damage right

or warlock utility

[coarse nest]

Yeah I cutting edge raid and usuallly do near the high end pug key range (this season I have been lazy I won’t lie)

[gusty compass]

https://tenor.com/view/im-dying-here-man-kyle-mclusky-mayor-of-kingstown-im-about-to-die-i-feel-like-im-dying-gif-18204333565306385101

[modest condor]

oh no wait they didnt