Yeah, just weird that Raging blow is the trigger for the Reap the storm proc, would be a lot more fun if it was Rampage or just an increased chance for bloodthirst
#fury
vernal laurel
edgy widget
again though, in Season 2 they buffed them by more than they nerfed them by in Season 1
dense elbow
I mean, wouldnt it just make sense if execute reap'd?
formal ravine
Yeah, just weird that Raging blow is the trigger for the Reap the storm proc, wo...
I agree there. It seemed weird to just add another reapnthe storm on a button but it's not bad
dense elbow
Just make it all about execute, go 100% in for it
edgy widget
Yeah, just weird that Raging blow is the trigger for the Reap the storm proc, wo...
it's raging blow because you're already pressing BT and Rampage in AoE, while RB falls behind
it's also a nice passive cleave buff, when you're focusing a boss but still cleaving adds
vernal laurel
it's raging blow because you're already pressing BT and Rampage in AoE, while RB...
Sure, but buffing a button i dont want to be pressing instead of a button I am already pressing feels weird
coarse nest
Wouldn’t it make sense if we hit 8 targets like all the other capped classes
edgy widget
I mean the fact that you "dont want to press it" is kind of indicative of why it's being buffed, no?
coarse nest
dense elbow
You will press RB either way, why not double down on the fun aspect of making another button giga instead?
vernal laurel
I mean the fact that you "dont want to press it" is kind of indicative of *why* ...
Yeah, but its not a fun button is my meaning, buffing it dont make it more fun, just more mandatory to press
formal ravine
Sometimes there's no room to press it with how much we execute and overcap rage.
edgy widget
that's not a subjective statement
vernal laurel
Which just might be my opinion, dont know if anyone feels the same
jolly marten
again though, in Season 2 they buffed them by **more than they nerfed them by** ...
its kinda like the arguement they buffed WW 130% fury warrior got uber buffed, horray
edgy widget
its kinda like the arguement they buffed WW 130% fury warrior got uber buffed, h...
ok no offense but I'm tired of going round and round with someone who clearly doesn't know what they're talking about
I literally showed you the reciepts dude
dense elbow
its kinda like the arguement they buffed WW 130% fury warrior got uber buffed, h...
That WW buff was huge btw
coarse nest
WW actually cranks bro
dense elbow
I am not jokeing, that WW buff was big dam for M+
formal ravine
Remember the glory days post blade storm 9 gcds of WW only ?
vernal laurel
That WW buff was huge btw
No I get you, its all about how it feels in the end
edgy widget
now you can complain that Fury is weak in M+ and nobody will disagree, but the S1 changes aren't the cause of that when they already reverted them and then some
trim nest
Stop complaining, it's not with your messages that Blizzard is going to change things, it's crazy, you're not the mages
jolly marten
now you can complain that Fury is weak in M+ and nobody will disagree, but the S...
so whats the cause?
vernal laurel
Stop complaining, it's not with your messages that Blizzard is going to change t...
The devs are all maining mages
earnest shuttle
aoe cap, that's the cause
edgy widget
there is no cause, Fury is just weak in M+
well, I guess you could say target capping is part of it 
but only part
trim nest
The devs are all maining mages
yeah lol
dense elbow
It aint wrong saying that, but core issue is: tuning
earnest shuttle
imagine if warriors had no cap, they would go nuts
fast mural
if you say target cap 3 times in a mirror fury gets capped by 2 less targets
dense elbow
No, we wouldnt, cause we would be tuned around it
fast mural
so stop saying it
formal ravine
I think it's about 60% the part. In current tuning of meat cleaver was uncapped even with lower numbers the change would be quite significant.
edgy widget
another part of it is that Thane uses Ravager in M+ and not Bladestorm lol
but calling Bladestorm a weak CD is just crazy (at least for Fury)
vernal laurel
No, we wouldnt, cause we would be tuned around it
In an ideal world we would be gods at 5 targets and prio dmg
jolly marten
there is no cause, Fury is just weak in M+
nah s3-4 DF fury was strong.. guess what ability was uber buffed then... OF
earnest canyon
Stop complaining, it's not with your messages that Blizzard is going to change t...
there was a major update waaaaaay back (cant remember the xpac but I mained mage til legion), where most other classes got significant reworks/buffs and mage got like "mage armor icon has been updated"
fast mural
would bladestorm be good on fury without unhinged ?
formal ravine
Yes it would
edgy widget
nah s3-4 DF fury was strong.. guess what ability was uber buffed then... OF
Oh you mean the tier set that buffed OF damage by 50%?
earnest shuttle
Bladestorm weak? god damn, that feels strong as f when using in single target
vernal laurel
nah s3-4 DF fury was strong.. guess what ability was uber buffed then... OF
It also had interaction with Avatar, which they removed
trim nest
there was a major update waaaaaay back (cant remember the xpac but I mained mage...
yeah
formal ravine
Bladestorm was good on fury before unhinged existed
dense elbow
In an ideal world we would be gods at 5 targets and prio dmg
To the point anyone can be great at ST, we are already it. Problem is M+ and Raid are two different arenas. The ST buff we would have to get for our ST portion to matter in M+, would break us for Raid.
It is a world we will never see
jolly marten
Oh you mean the tier set that buffed OF damage by 50%? <a:dracthyr_kek_animated:...
yep. exaclty i mean that fury needs a strong OF for m+
edgy widget
Bladestorm is good in ST and AoE, it's actually crazy to think it's not
coarse nest
Warrior aura buff was turned back to 0 and they buffed all abilites by X amount to compensate for a net neutral
edgy widget
not to mention its on like a 30s CD
coarse nest
Wasn’t that beginning of season 1?
formal ravine
Fury's bladestorm is insane how good it is. Especially how well it gets hasted.
gleaming siren
Bladestorm is too frequent to feel like it's actually insane
edgy widget
Warrior aura buff was turned back to 0 and they buffed all abilites by X amount ...
they do that most seasons
gleaming siren
it's a good CD considering its cooldown
vernal laurel
Bladestorm is good in ST and AoE, it's actually crazy to think it's not
But when I press it I dont noticeably get higher dmg than most other specs burst
earnest shuttle
no matter the scenario, using Bladestorm will always pump up your dps meter
edgy widget
But when I press it I dont noticeably get higher dmg than most other specs burst
maybe you're pressing it wrong, but not all cds are equal either
jolly marten
needs strong cds in general.. they can buff our main abilities for all day but in the end fury as any other dps need strong cds for m+
edgy widget
a 30s CD and a 3m CD aren't the same thing
vernal laurel
maybe you're pressing it wrong, but not all cds are equal either
No like, go into a cinderbrew and press bladestorm in the opener
edgy widget
needs strong cds in general.. they can buff our main abilities for all day but i...
not everyone needs uber strong CDs - not every spec/class should be a burst class and the game is objectively better when there's more diversity between damage profiles
vernal laurel
It feels less meaty than other specs big buttons
edgy widget
see previous comment
chilly fractal
I think what Archi says holds even more weight on the opening of an M+... 3 min CD>30sec
formal ravine
No like, go into a cinderbrew and press bladestorm in the opener
The issue here is that usually a lot of specs have some build to do. By the time Bs is over they have ramped and are going too and you start falling.
earnest shuttle
Bladestorm is strong, not as strong as 3m cds, but you can throw 6 bladestorms while they can only use 1 cd every 3 mins
vernal laurel
not everyone needs uber strong CDs - not every spec/class *should* be a burst cl...
I agree with this, but currently our damage profile is warming the bench
edgy widget
the issue here is half the people have no idea what they're talking about
- they're correct in recognizing Fury is weak in M+
- but they're looking for a single thing to blame it on, which simply isn't how these things work
formal ravine
Bs is a 2 GCD set up. Ww-rampage and done.
earnest shuttle
warriors are made for consistent dmg, you will always stay at a good phase of dps, while other classes will sky rocket and then go to the freakin ground and so on
jolly marten
the issue here is half the people have no idea what they're talking about
- they...
ok we dont have... who has then? and what is he doing about it for like 2 seasons now?
edgy widget
another very important thing to recognize is that tuning is a revolving door - yes Fury is weak in M+ right now, but that doesn't mean it always will be, tuning constantly changes in this game
vernal laurel
warriors are made for consistent dmg, you will always stay at a good phase of dp...
And doing that = higher on the dps meter
edgy widget
no spec is "designed" to be overly strong or weak in M+
dense elbow
We just are, and as such, should just accept that
vernal laurel
another **very** important thing to recognize is that tuning is a revolving door...
Very true, but just feels like its been a long time since Fury was great in M+
edgy widget
ok we dont have... who has then? and what is he doing about it for like 2 season...
I mean Fury did fine in M+ during Season 1, especially after the huge Thane buff
it wans't meta, and if tha'ts what you're looking for you might as well put that dream to bed, but that's not the goal either
jolly marten
another **very** important thing to recognize is that tuning is a revolving door...
yeah like mages being meta forever and last time fury was meta was like when? Legion? and in classic before that
edgy widget
Very true, but just feels like its been a long time since Fury was great in M+
that also applies to you - if you think the "objective" is to be meta in M+, you're setting yourself up for failure
formal ravine
Well Thane has the afformentioned issue of having to use ravager
earnest shuttle
don't know about you but I go to keys and it feels like I'm the last one always on every pull....then at the end of the key, we check the meters and I'm either 1st or 2nd
vernal laurel
I just dont want to feel like I am handicapping my group, which I think is a very fair stance to have
dense elbow
^ this
earnest shuttle
that's what I mean with Consistent dps, you will not sky rocket, but you will be doing the most damage
vernal laurel
If I am playing correctly but still not contributing anything of value, why play my spec in content that we all want to clear?
edgy widget
if you do mechanics, don't die, and keep up a reasonable rotation, you're not handicapping your group
jolly marten
the only change in meta is what spec of mage-warlock or druid is gonna be meta
formal ravine
that's what I mean with Consistent dps, you will not sky rocket, but you will be...
Sorry but no... At least when pushing high.
earnest shuttle
keys are not a 1 pull go all in, it's a full dungeon where not all classes will have cds for certain pulls
formal ravine
At least dying on fury requires serious effort on your part.
vernal laurel
if you do mechanics, don't die, and keep up a reasonable rotation, you're not ha...
I very much feel like I am, I could just be an arms warrior and do the exact same thing
but perform so much better
earnest shuttle
and yeah, it's true, we're the forgotten baby who blizzard doesn't care, but imagine if druids got their starfall capped, they would go down to the last on the charts (after evoker hehe)
south kayak
Outlaw is doing really well in m+ and it’s target capped to 8 targets and has sustained damage lol
vernal laurel
Outlaw is doing really well in m+ and it’s target capped to 8 targets and has su...
Dont outlaws hate how the spec plays atm?
jolly marten
thats why im saying.. its not that they cant do it and they are trying to please us.. its that they dont want.. if the wanted they could do million things to make fury warriors decent choice.. and im not even talking about the lack of utility...\
dense elbow
but perform so much better
That is because you are handicapping your group bringing your lower output alternative. That is just what it is.
south kayak
Dont outlaws hate how the spec plays atm?
I don’t care, I love how it plays
trim nest
go war tank in m+ it's good
gilded pawn
Dont outlaws hate how the spec plays atm?
That’s the problem with killing spree more than anything else
jolly marten
come on, its not rocket science and its not like you have to have a degree.... its just they dont want
gilded pawn
His point is that being hard capped doesn’t matter
If your spec can perform well within the cap
south kayak
^
vernal laurel
That is because you are handicapping your group bringing your lower output alter...
Yeah, it would not be so bad if there was less of a gap, but as it is its massive
edgy widget
but perform so much better
if you're timing the key, you're performing fine; stop worrying so damn much about comparing yourself to others and play the game lol
coarse nest
Dont outlaws hate how the spec plays atm?
Yes the one I know dislikes it
edgy widget
again, nobody has even remotely argued that Fury isn't underpowered in M+, I don't know why you feel the need to harp on it every 30 seconds
but that doesn't mean you can't still be successful in M+
vernal laurel
if you're timing the key, you're performing fine; stop worrying so damn much abo...
Comparing yourself to others is very much a big part of the game, dps meters, logs and so on
Hard to not think about
formal ravine
Did they say anything about moving the ptr notes on another day again or we still expect it today ?
dense elbow
Not to mention, not everyone likes being a shackle on their friends ankles. It just aint a thing you do to friends.
edgy widget
Comparing yourself to others is very much a big part of the game, dps meters, lo...
there is such a thing as overdoing it
dense elbow
In both directions
vernal laurel
Not to mention, not everyone likes being a shackle on their friends ankles. It j...
Yeah, as it is my whole group is hoping for Fury buffs, cause we know that me playing it will be pretty bad
south kayak
Lol
dense elbow
edgy widget
some of yall need to log off and get some professional help lol
the level of disgruntlement yall carrying over the state of tuning in a video game, especially when you're still successful in your runs should be worrying
south kayak
Man is an unpaid therapist
formal ravine
Not to mention, not everyone likes being a shackle on their friends ankles. It j...
If your friends are hinting at you being a shackle brother bad news find other friends. I am an avid shackler and they don't mind
dense elbow
Friends wont mind, but you should at least keep in mind it is happening
dont take advantage of your friends, even if they unconditionally allow you to
formal ravine
When I play with friends I go fury cus I like it I never had any of them say naaaah
formal ravine
So why would you worry
frozen cosmos
Lmao some of you guys need to touch grass
vernal laurel
some of yall need to log off and get some professional help lol
the level of dis...
Its not wrong to care about a game we love very much
marble pilot
674 unreads wtf happened todaY
formal ravine
Now pugs are a whole other story
vernal laurel
We find it fun, and so we engage with it
marble pilot
Only been like 4 hours
edgy widget
Its not wrong to care about a game we love very much
speaking as a person who literally makes their living off of it, there is definitely something wrong with being this obsessive about it, yes
jolly marten
some of yall need to log off and get some professional help lol
the level of dis...
thats offensive, no you are not therapist but i guess you could be a lawyer or something
vernal laurel
Agree to disagree
edgy widget
just look back over the transcript man, every time we try to talk about something you keep bitching about Fury being underpowered and comparing yourself to whoever happens to be meta, and why can't it be you
south kayak
thats offensive, no you are not therapist but i guess you could be a lawyer or s...
???
edgy widget
we've been having the same conversation for like 3 fucking hours
jolly marten
we just talking here
edgy widget
and you won't let go of this point that nobody is arguing against
we get it, lol, but its exhausting
marble pilot
Oh so I missed nothing. See ya guys in a bit lol
trim nest
go mage
vernal laurel
If he wants warrior to be Meta or just good thats not a bad thing, we all want that
chrome relic
Oh boy
vernal laurel
Just talk about it in different ways
formal ravine
Nah I am happy if I get into keys more than once per 2 hours idc about being meta
vernal laurel
Nah I am happy if I get into keys more than once per 2 hours idc about being met...
Same
junior oyster
How high are the keys that youre having this issue?
dense elbow
Our main issue is the community stigma of being the worst.
Tuning will fix that tho, so dont worry.
17-18 area
thats when things become more competitive atm, also is the noob wall
formal ravine
But like it or not the averages of pug expectations is that they pick the meta. It kinda is annoying but it ha always been the case.
edgy widget
also you're still timing +19 keys and the top right now is what? +22? So idk where this "woe is me I can't compete" stuff is coming from
The nature of the M+ system is that it will always pyramid at the top, there is absolutely nothing you can do about it
no amount of balancing will change that, the best you can hope for is that you happen to be meta, but that's not a reasonable expecatation to have
jolly marten
Our main issue is the community stigma of being the worst.
Tuning will fix that...
its not only a stigma.. we are the worst indeed in m+, like 3rd bottom or something
dense elbow
Arguably, in lower keys, we are better than a lot of the top dogs
but that is a whole other discussion
coarse nest
also you're still timing +19 keys and the top right now is what? +22? So idk whe...
Not to mention novix and his team doing top keys
edgy widget
Yeah, it's completely doable
dense elbow
They been stuck for a while now tho
dense elbow
Yep, Farover is arms tho
edgy widget
but also ther's only like 20 timed +22 keys in the world atm
jolly marten
also you're still timing +19 keys and the top right now is what? +22? So idk whe...
listen. a low key aint played from high end players.. so in low keys there will still be the lack of dmg that a 22 has and they dont pick fury for that.. it wont be that crucial ofc but it will surely make easier any run if the dmg is high
formal ravine
Realistically for my end at least I would love a bl cus of how limited it is to play with friends on certain specs. I got a DH tank friend a priest friend and a monk. We bring no fucking cr or lust.
vernal laurel
Man I just hope we get utility changes
edgy widget
listen. a low key aint played from high end players.. so in low keys there will ...
in what world is +19 a low key?
dense elbow
Man I just hope we get utility changes
Oh please dont
edgy widget
Realistically for my end at least I would love a bl cus of how limited it is to ...
drums
natural lust is incredibly overrated
vernal laurel
in what world is +19 a low key?
He prob meant that high end players is not what he is talking about
dense elbow
We really rolled all the way to:
- Warrior need Heroism
- AoE combatress
- Cleanse
- Immunity
It wont matter
edgy widget
idk what he's talking about because that was a really poorly constructed sentence
Hero won't do shit for DPS War - in fact the only one it'll really do anything for is Prot, and Blizz has already said they don't really wanna give lust to a tank
jolly marten
in what world is +19 a low key?
didnt mean that. im saying that it still makes the key harder even if 10-19-2-5 if the dmg is lackluster
vernal laurel
Warrior getting lust would just make it more attractive to invite no? Is that completely crazy to think?
dense elbow
In a world where Warrior is the top performing DPS spec with heroism, it would matter. Beyond that, no.
coarse nest
Tank has enough responsibility imagine they also have to remember to lust during the start of a giant pull
formal ravine
Eh still depends. Evoker has it and look at them. Kinda forgotten now
vernal laurel
In a world where Warrior is the top performing DPS spec with heroism, it would m...
I mean if I need a lust and no one is signing up, I would take the first lust in queue
edgy widget
didnt mean that. im saying that it still makes the key harder even if 10-19-2-5 ...
still not sure what you mean, it sounds like you're saying that low key are harder with a warrior because of their lack of damage and I'm not sure I agree with that sentiment - Fury is generally better (relatively speaking) in lower keys than it is in higher ones
coarse nest
Yall can please stop advocating for more utility we don’t want that shit we just want to do 2x everyone else damage
Zug life
vernal laurel
Yall can please stop advocating for more utility we don’t want that shit we just...
zug zug
dense elbow
I mean if I need a lust and no one is signing up, I would take the first lust in...
Then we talking low level content, where heroism itself never mattered.
Pretty sure you see that.
vernal laurel
Then we talking low level content, where heroism itself never mattered.
Pretty ...
For completeing the key absolutely, but when putting together a group you are still going to be looking to have lust
dense elbow
Sure, just write "got drums"
edgy widget
I mean if I need a lust and no one is signing up, I would take the first lust in...
if you're pushing top keys, no you wouldn't, you'd wait for a "good" class
if you're doing low keys, you wouldn't have nobody signing up, so it's a null sentiment
especially if you're doing low keys, you could also just use drums
dense elbow
works for me
vernal laurel
Sure, just write "got drums"
This does not work and you know it
dense elbow
It does work
Noone cares in low level content
it is breeze content
you just want to get going
"Drums? Good enough... lets go"
formal ravine
Is it too much to ask for revitalising shout?
vernal laurel
if you're pushing top keys, no you wouldn't, you'd wait for a "good" class
if yo...
This is all hypothetical, but I agree that High end keys and low keys are not affected by this as much
dense elbow
Is that the AoE combat ress we coming at?
vernal laurel
its the inbetween
formal ravine
Is that the AoE combat ress we coming at?
Hah yeah
vernal laurel
The +13s and +16s
edgy widget
This is all hypothetical, but I agree that High end keys and low keys are not af...
that sounds oddly specific and made up
vernal laurel
Where people think and somewhat reasonably do need lust
formal ravine
I am trolling btw before someone comes saying "aktjually"
edgy widget
and drums is more than fine for those "mid" keys
natural lust is incredibly overrated (as in the difference between drums and lust is not nearly as big as people think it is)
coarse nest
Drums is fine for basically all keys except world first lmao
vernal laurel
and drums is more than fine for those "mid" keys
You can absolutely complete the dungeon with that, but the people that populate those keys will never settle for just using drums
edgy widget
sure they will, they do all the time
vernal laurel
They think that they need the top of the top
earnest canyon
They think that they need the top of the top
I think you think that
vernal laurel
I mean if you are ever stuck in the +14 range pugin you would know that
dense elbow
Write "got drums" in note, ya be suprised how well it actually works on groups waiting for heroism
formal ravine
By that logic lust won't matter if they want the top of the top. If you are still lackluster why would they take your lust and not the meta ?
vernal laurel
By that logic lust won't matter if they want the top of the top. If you are stil...
They eventually always have to settle for something or the key wont start, warrior being an alternative there is not bad
dense elbow
Heroism as stated a hundred times, doesnt matter. You would have been a choice regardless.
earnest shuttle
I wonder why blizzard hasn't made a "lust shout", would make kind of sense to the class and people would bring more warriors due to them having a lust skill
vernal laurel
I wonder why blizzard hasn't made a "lust shout", would make kind of sense to th...
It makes total thematic sense yes
formal ravine
What are we gonna call it though battle shout is taken.
earnest shuttle
yeah, and then you have paladins and druids with battle res
dense elbow
I dont know, what about "Call to Battle"
earnest shuttle
AND DKS
vernal laurel
What are we gonna call it though battle shout is taken.
Battle rage?
earnest shuttle
lol
dense elbow
"Call to Arms"
formal ravine
Battle rage?
That's enrage
south kayak
Battle Cry, guys. Come on, it’s right there
coarse nest
dense elbow
Battle Cry is taken >:(
south kayak
But we’re not getting lust
vernal laurel
That's enrage
Omega rage?
south kayak
Battle Cry is taken >:(
No it’s not
formal ravine
That's powerful enrage
vernal laurel
Fitting for the raid 
formal ravine
Lmao 🤣
dense elbow
Ok, so we done with heroism, we are done with AoE CR
coarse nest
They can name it “I didnt ask for this”
dense elbow
what was next on the list?
coarse nest
Would fit perfectly
dense elbow
Oh right - When we enrage we should dispell things!
vernal laurel
what was next on the list?
Dont forget adding banners back to the game 
dense elbow
It is unfair that we are the only class that cant
formal ravine
How about enchanting shout next ?
earnest shuttle
I hate them on varian's hots, lol
dense elbow
What if intervene cleansed your ally?
vernal laurel
We will never be meta, if we cant cleanse debuffs
Honestly bitter immunity should not be on a 3 min cd lol
jolly marten
ptr is down by the way.. patch incoming? buffs to fury warriors incoming? or are they still trying to find the perfect formula for the changes to warriors?
dense elbow
And it should affect allies
coarse nest
What if intervene cleansed your ally?
Yo that’s kinda sick
vernal laurel
What if intervene cleansed your ally?
Would make it worth taking, as long as you maybe remove the taking hits part
coarse nest
Would have to remove the “redirects damage part” in trade for cleanses target
dense elbow
but! our cleanse is only 6 sec
dense elbow
Nah, have both
we need flavor
Ok, that is enough about that, we got one more - before we circle as always. Ok focus!
vernal laurel
we need flavor
Bruh our flavour is being useless its time for a new formula
dense elbow
Warrior need an immunity!
formal ravine
Intervene has an extra talent node under called meaningful intervention : has a serious talk with the intervened ally regarding their life choices. Once the conversation is over the ally takes a better look at their life and decides to leave that life behind resulting in all debuffs being removed.
dense elbow
Without it, what are we suposed to do?
We cant soak mechanics and we kinda die to things
so without it, come on
vernal laurel
Unironically adding a lot of the things you are talking about would make it more fun to play
coarse nest
Our flavor needs to be that we do more damage than everyone else
dense elbow
we need immunity to be meta
vernal laurel
You could be a designer
modest condor
we need an immunity, a cheat death, a dispel, a purge, lust, bres, aoe grip, aoe silence
what else?
vernal laurel
we need an immunity, a cheat death, a dispel, a purge, lust, bres, aoe grip, aoe...
Adding distrupting shout would be goated
modest condor
oh and we do tank damage so we still dont get invited
dense elbow
I am washed up 
sorry
coarse nest
NO UTILITY
formal ravine
But cheat death has to be tied to enrage: man too angry to die
earnest shuttle
silencing shout and War Cry for lust, warriors will be back
earnest shuttle
well, nerfed, hahaha
coarse nest
Seven hundred twenty five
dense elbow
They nerfed execute?
young swan
725 LMFAO
slim coral
They buffed moutain thane tho
dense elbow
Was it too powerful for Arms or something?
slim coral
I gotta test this when servers up
young swan
Dude that's going from 130k max crit to 800k still shit <:keks:93623161085089799...
dont forget that the 4 set also got doubled
modest condor
725% increase xdd
slim coral
My dude sees the blue post before wowhead
Wowhead too slow
formal ravine
dont forget that the 4 set also got doubled
So 1.6 mil half a bloodthirst
coarse nest
Wowhead too slow
I need a better source apparently
formal ravine
And that's on a crit
young swan
its what 5*20% AP right now right
dense elbow
Try the forums
formal ravine
Yy
earnest shuttle
please tell me mages and druids got a 200% increase damage buff on everything because they seem weak?
vernal laurel
slim coral
final eagle
Only that change for us, and half of post just for DKs
sullen dove
😭
slim coral
https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-2-development-notes-for-july-8th-class-and...
too late bud
modest condor
ok so giga st buff to thane tierset, nothing specifically for aoe
vernal laurel
too late bud
I bow
sullen dove
725% 😭
young swan
thats a disgusting buff
slim coral
I will be testing asap
formal ravine
im getting 1450% AP cumulatively
I don't know if it works like that
formal ravine
thats a disgusting buff
Wouldn't it work more like the new value multiplied the dmg ?
jolly marten
Slayer
Manaforge Omega 2-set bonus – Execute damage increased by 10% (was 20%).
dense elbow
Probably too powerful for arms
modest condor
no it's not 1450%, i think it's closer to 1000% or so?
coarse nest
Actually insane that we don’t have more tuning than that
jolly marten
nerf?
coarse nest
But aye I knew better
fleet pasture
well atleast DK is back on the saddle
modest condor
1450% would be if 4set went from no buff to 100%, but it's going from 50% to 100%
fleet pasture
good to know
vernal laurel
Actually insane that we don’t have more tuning than that
Quite insane yes
modest condor
jolly marten
while DKs are getting a ton of changes and buffs
formal ravine
1450% would be if 4set went from no buff to 100%, but it's going from 50% to 100...
But isn't it calculated of the 2 set being he new value so not a total % Increase? So the 4 set only applies to the new value regardless of %m
chilly fractal
I got mounts to farm
dense elbow
earnest shuttle
they weak tho
modest condor
But isn't it calculated of the 2 set being he new value so not a total % Increas...
basically it went from 150% to 1600% or so
modest condor
i think
earnest shuttle
hahahahahaha, this is ironic not gonna lie
warm crag
yeah sure but 10%?
unplayed in raid
formal ravine
We need to see how it works on aoe
jolly marten
unplayed in raid
ok buff single target spells
formal ravine
Cus 5 ionising strikes every blue moon is still kinda meh
jolly marten
this will make them gods in m+
formal ravine
Does it now affect all targets hit ?
warm crag
this will make them gods in m+
good
formal ravine
Or do we get shit hit rate still?
warm crag
mickey mouse minigame
modest condor
it's still gonna be like half the strength of slayer tierset or something
olive wraith
I need math people to ping me when they figure out the thane buffs
slim coral
modest condor
some napkin math has me around 1000% buff to thane tierset
formal ravine
I need math people to ping me when they figure out the thane buffs
It's as he said roughly going to be about half the slayer gain so still has ways to go.
slim coral
1 min 30 breakdown
slim coral
@modest condor
modest condor
3.4% is 1000% of 0.3%, math checks out
sturdy trench
Mountain thane 4 set 11.2 saved?
glad coyote
How big did we just pump?
sullen dove
70/5 = 13 thunder blasts
dense elbow
(we didnt pump)
sullen dove
3/13 ~35%ish
sturdy trench
😦
formal ravine
Yeah that's a bad proc rate
sullen dove
well less than 25
olive wraith
Dam
formal ravine
this is gonna be nuts in keys
No?
chilly fractal
show me the nuts
jolly marten
I can sustain 6m on 3 targets
6m aind much
sullen dove
this changes like nothing for keys lol
just maybe makes thane better than slayer cuz of its own damage now
formal ravine
How would that be insane in keys when you're 5 capped friend
You're hitting your cap right now
At least set wise
olive wraith
How would that be insane in keys when you're 5 capped friend
Tb hits more than 5
plush maple
Why nerf execute when it sounded like it became a button you want to press asap again
Unless 10% wont change anything
sullen dove
cuz ur still gonna press it asap
formal ravine
Tb hits more than 5
It doesn't matter dude the proc is not going to increase
coarse nest
Mystic touch slammer
formal ravine
Dude it's a 35% proc
dense elbow
Why nerf execute when it sounded like it became a button you want to press asap ...
You still get the slayerstrike damage from the SD proc, that is the main "dam increase" from it
formal ravine
How does it matter ?
olive wraith
It doesn't matter dude the proc is not going to increase
You hit all targets hit by Tb with 5 ion strikes
plush maple
cuz ur still gonna press it asap
So exe only needed a 10% buff to make it a button you want to press
hushed gust
It’s nice seeing some kind of attention, but i still feel kinda disappointed that they’re focusing on the tier set and have no changes for the actual specs themselves…
calm swallow
blast spec is best spec
dense elbow
So exe only needed a 10% buff to make it a button you want to press
read what I wrote, no, that is not why.
formal ravine
You hit all targets hit by Tb with 5 ion strikes
No
You get 5 ionising strikes per proc. Not 5 per target
sullen dove
So exe only needed a 10% buff to make it a button you want to press
you arent pressing it cuz of the 10% buff youre pressing it cuz of the guaranteed slayers strike proc that does a ton of damage and gives you more MFE that gives you more bladestorm cdr that gives you more bladestorm
formal ravine
Yea
olive wraith
That’s still gonna be pretty good for uncapped pulls
south kayak
I think they should have also increased the proc rate of ionizing strikes
formal ravine
Brother
sullen dove
should be 50%
formal ravine
The set doesn't work like that
warm crag
you arent pressing it cuz of the 10% buff youre pressing it cuz of the guarantee...
you have a burnice pfp
sullen dove
these strikes do literally nothing for uncapped
thorn star
why on earth would they nerf warrior
sullen dove
you have a burnice pfp
peak
warm crag
true
floral isle
hello
what is blizzard smoking
THEY NERFED WARRIOR ON PTR?
but BM and MM have been untouched
what
warm crag
11x buff
olive wraith
Does the wording not indicate anything hit by Tb has a chance to get hit but ion strikes?
sullen dove
Does the wording not indicate anything hit by Tb has a chance to get hit but ion...
there will be 5 ionizing strikes every time
formal ravine
That’s still gonna be pretty good for uncapped pulls
The set has a 35% chance to drop 5 ionising strikes total on each target affected by thunder blast. If it procs you get 5 hits doesn't matter how many enemies are there.
dense elbow
warrior got buffed
Thane got buffed, Slayer got nerfed*
ornate gust
RIP
plush maple
you arent pressing it cuz of the 10% buff youre pressing it cuz of the guarantee...
Yeah what I meant is wanting to press it in single target with one SD stack instead of 2 or when SD stack is about to fall off so what I'm thinking is that if buff doesn't change anything, it's extra damage but nice buff just a simple buff
sullen dove
regardless of how many targets there are
floral isle
what do you mean buffed
warm crag
did i misread
no you read right
south kayak
should be 50%
Yeah true, the fact that they didn’t touch the proc rate of the ionizing strikes is puzzling, that was the main part of the issue
sullen dove
Yeah what I meant is wanting to press it in single target with one SD stack inst...
yea extra exe dmg is fine doesnt rly matter but you just hit SD the moment you get it now
so shouldnt need a weakaura for that
formal ravine
It was one of the reasons
ornate gust
I was waiting for a nerf to stop playing the game.. now i have the excuse ☠️
formal ravine
Not the only reason
floral isle
Arms was already trash by the way on PTR and now it's even worse
earnest canyon
but BM and MM have been untouched
Hunter already got nerfed
floral isle
this is just insane
plush maple
so shouldnt need a weakaura for that
Exactly what I was discussing thank you!
floral isle
I mean clearly not enough
plush maple
Now you actually SLAM
vernal laurel
Yeah true, the fact that they didn’t touch the proc rate of the ionizing strikes...
Its really weird, feels like they have no clue?
turbid bay
Balance druid didnt get nerfed
floral isle
i mean it effects Fury too
Execute was a good deal on damage in single target on PTR
with the tier set
sullen dove
10% lost is prolly not more than like a 1% nerf
sullen dove
we get buffed more from the monk debuff going from 5 to 8% increased phys dmg
warm crag
10% lost is prolly not more than like a 1% nerf
cant believe they'd nerf fury by 10% overall damage for no reason
floral isle
it just makes no sense
plush maple
we get buffed more from the monk debuff going from 5 to 8% increased phys dmg
Force a monk in every M+ key with warrior 
floral isle
like there's classes like balance, shadow, and hunter, which after nerfs are still just disgusting on ptr
hushed gust
They need to set these channels to slow mode. Can’t read shit with so many people rapid firing.
dense elbow
it just makes no sense
Probably to balance out our execute phase dam value in raid, or simular. We dont know. but there is a raid balance reason for it, dont worry.
young swan
10% lost is prolly not more than like a 1% nerf
~2-3%
sullen dove
execute is doing 30% of your damage?
young swan
basically offsets the monk debuff buff
young swan
execute is doing 30% of your damage?
25-ish%
formal ravine
Probably to balance out our execute phase dam value in raid, or simular. We dont...
Slayer right now has execute phase the entire fight. You don't even take massacre cus of how often you execute. It's rotation right now
chilly fractal
dude next season Slayer Execute dam is a lot
red berry
im still baffled that they're tuniing other specs rn but fury has received no changes
to kit whatsoever
formal ravine
Kit won't change this expansion dude
red berry
well yes
royal oxide
Fury mountain thane set gonna do damage now?
red berry
im talking about buffs to capstones
floral isle
in fury single target on Fractillus, execute was 18 percent of my damage
lean nacelle
does this count as warrior buff?
red berry
im not expecting major changes im talking about ability touchups
that
is a kit change
sullen dove
does this count as warrior buff?
ye
formal ravine
fury has 0 execute phase
It hits pretty decent and
south kayak
does this count as warrior buff?
Yes?
dense elbow
does this count as warrior buff?
Fuck, no fuck fuck fuck
red berry
something that makes roar stronger
formal ravine
Gotta wait for midnight for that
young swan
does this count as warrior buff?
yeah
red berry
plush maple
does this count as warrior buff?
Only if you have a monk on a leach
sullen dove
It hits pretty decent and
yea the button is good but you dont hit it any more in execute range than any other time in the fight
its just a full static line pmuch
formal ravine
yea the button is good but you dont hit it any more in execute range than any ot...
That's why I said massacre is unpicked and it's a rotation ability now
dense elbow
I hate this game at these times man
lean heart
its bleak
sullen dove
ye
earnest canyon
not fucking hurricane jr and his buffy friends
Hurricane Jr 🤣
formal ravine
The current issue I see is that this buff doesn't bring Thane high enough to go out of slayer even in m+ atm. You gotta buff it more to justify even not having the single target slayer brings on top of the aoe being better.
humble shadow
Thane tier sets still shit right?
crude ridge
Damn was really hoping they wouldn't touch execute dmg.
formal ravine
It's still pretty strong
floral isle
this is legit just gonna be last a repeat of last tier
formal ravine
But Thane needs some more love
crude ridge
yeah but i want stroooooong
jolly marten
is this a joke?
south kayak
Thane tier sets still shit right?
Not shit but needs to be stronger
ornate gust
does this count as warrior buff?
If the monk die during the fight, would the debuff drop from the boss?
floral isle
we'll get incremental small buffs over the course of the season when it really doesn't matter
jolly marten
2 min combat time
floral isle
yeah no i don't count that
humble shadow
Lol it's pretty bad
restive fiber
Set proc only on thunder blast ?
red berry
yes
south kayak
The issue with ionizing strikes is the proc rating, no matter how many times you buff it, it’s still trash if the proc rate is bad
formal ravine
It may still get tuned some more. At least it wasn't fully neglected this round of ptr.
humble shadow
Mine was 0.8% I just tested
south kayak
It may still get tuned some more. At least it wasn't fully neglected this round ...
Yeah for sure
floral isle
legit might have to main Frost in raid this tier lol
shadow rover
is this a joke?
wait is this after the buff??
floral isle
let the warrior buff come from a prot
jolly marten
wait is this after the buff??
yes
shadow rover
holy fuck
lean heart
this shit is so dire 
formal ravine
wait is this after the buff??
It proced only once though
coarse nest
formal ravine
I know.. I agree it needs a better proc rate
south kayak
Instead of 35%
coarse nest
Kek
shadow rover
its okay when mm is doing like double warriors dmg on testing this week maybe you guys get a buff
dense elbow
S3 4pc for fury: meat cleaver is uncapped
But only if you are in a group with a monk, if not, you are balanced around doing negative damage on top of your negative damage
south kayak
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1392270272115118253/im...
Huh
humble shadow
See you guys next Tuesday
clever iron
warrior tier set got nerf xD
sullen dove
two sides of the coin
floral isle
yeah they'll put the tier set to 15 percent and then tell us we got massively buffed
lol
formal ravine
Anyone got any single target testing going on slayer ? I would like to see the execute
sullen dove
15 tbs gives 1 proc
dense elbow
warrior tier set got nerf xD
our 6m overall was too much Vs others 9-11m overalls
it had to be done
sullen dove
23 tbs gives 9 procs
jolly marten
how long did you hit it for?
2min fight
crude ridge
yuck
south kayak
15 tbs gives 1 proc
Should be 1 per 3 TB imo
flat valve
Pls Buff Frost dks
sullen dove
Should be 1 per 3 TB imo
thats what it should be
south kayak
thats what it should be <:okayge:917646812519739433>
Yep
tight roost
725% ionizing strike increase 😮
sturdy trench
Nah every tbs should proc it
tight roost
thats quite a lot
sullen dove
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1392270272115118253/im...
cant wait for some powerful variance
crude ridge
725% ionizing strike increase 😮
don't get you hopes up
sullen dove
u were just hitting single target i imagine
formal ravine
A lot is relevant to the starting point
sullen dove
o wait thats as prot
formal ravine
And the starting point was very low
fossil cloak
they nerfed the execute 2 pc damage 
olive wraith
You get a lot more tb procs as prot right?
south kayak
And the starting point was very low
Now increase proc to 75% or 100% and we gucci
wraith wharf
..yay 3% buff via monk?
tight roost
wait, so mt is still not after 725% increase?
formal ravine
Now increase proc to 75% or 100% and we gucci
It could go for 100% every 2nd cast of tb
south kayak
wait, so mt is still not after 725% increase?
No because the proc rate is the problem
crude ridge
dmg doesn't matter when the proc rate is ass
sullen dove
dks getting extensive tuning changes to abilities every 2 months does go kinda hard
dense elbow
..yay 3% buff via monk?
south kayak
The fact they don’t know that is cooked
sullen dove
crazy how lead dk dev is an arthur glaze
chilly fractal
Well DK is a Hero Class /s
turbid bay
Its ok shadow priest and balance druid got a pass
formal ravine
Is okay this means we get to play more bladestorm and I am a sucker for bs
turbid bay
No nerfs for them
fossil cloak
so were not getting any mechanical changes this late into the ptr right? time to reroll
olive wraith
We gotta press bt on cooldown i assume
south kayak
so were not getting any mechanical changes this late into the ptr right? time to...
They specifically said we wouldn’t when they didn’t mention us in the list of specs getting changes
earnest shuttle
what I really love is the developers note message... pretty much is... very few clases do only physical damage (warriors) so fk u
gloomy loom
Why nerf war slayer set? Isn’t it Already shit?
olive wraith
They specifically said we wouldn’t when they didn’t mention us in the list of sp...
Tbf they said “and more” or something along those lines
sullen dove
what I really love is the developers note message... pretty much is... very few ...
like warrior/hunter/rogue/monk is majority i think
formal ravine
Why nerf war slayer set? Isn’t it Already shit?
It was a 25% gain
formal ravine
Now it's about 22%
timber cliff
Slayer is dead?
dense elbow
what I really love is the developers note message... pretty much is... very few ...
Yep
Nop
sullen dove
SLAYER DEAD
turbid bay
Its not shit it just wasnt op like others currently are
sullen dove
its pretty op
chilly fractal
imagine thinking a 25% gain was shit when we had the worst tier set 2 tiers in a row for a damage dealer
south kayak
It’s op bro lol
timber cliff
Just give in and roll monk
south kayak
but maybe not compared to others its not no 150mil star surge
That’s not a thing anymore
sullen dove
yea but hit execute more
young swan
its the same boring playstyle though lmao
it changed the playstyle
fossil cloak
what did it change
young swan
now we dont care about BT even more and actually give a fuck about pressing execute consistently
formal ravine
Well we kinda do care at 35% hp
But execute hitting harder and rotationally is super good
young swan
no bloodcrazing?
u can drop it from the rotation entirely and u only lose like 2% lol
modern ingot
Lol they rly dont want warrior to be good. They even proceed and buff monk. Im done...
young swan
u press it like 8 times over a 5 min sim
fossil cloak
Just make SD reduce Bladestorm's CD instead of requiring marks
south kayak
What are these posts
sullen dove
2% seems a bit for 1 mid row talent not many better options no
south kayak
Some wild statements lol
formal ravine
Bro you literally get marks so much now that practically that's what it does
young swan
Just make SD reduce Bladestorm's CD instead of requiring marks
that is essentially what the tierset does i dont get ur point
fossil cloak
well thats good
sullen dove
u used to interact with marks before having the weakaura tell you when you hit execute since it sucked
formal ravine
On CDs you get execute in 20 seconds
sullen dove
but now that it doesnt suck
chilly fractal
got the feeling they haven't looked at the tier sets
sullen dove
you just hit execute the moment it lightsu p
formal ravine
I mean bs
sullen dove
and dont care what the marks say
south kayak
you just hit execute the moment it lightsu p
SD*
fossil cloak
thank god
sturdy trench
you just hit execute the moment it lightsu p
I like that
young swan
you just hit execute the moment it lightsu p
might be back to weakauraing with this nerf
dense elbow
Lol they rly dont want warrior to be good. They even proceed and buff monk. Im d...
Why angry, we got a 3% aura buff, kind of, you only need to always bring a monk to feel better about your shit dam 
young swan
we'll see
sturdy trench
Nooooo
trail thistle
man im gonna miss slayer
sullen dove
u including slayers strikes in that too
trail thistle
this thane shit is not fun
sullen dove
or just pure execute was 25
young swan
if exe is 25% of your dam and its now 22%
yeah its more like 2%
not 3
but we'll see shortly
toxic pivot
Did all dps warrior get nerfed? 😂😂😂
sullen dove
regardless i dont think the dmg of execute matters near as much as all the extra strikes
toxic pivot
How cooked are they at blizz
iron plaza
They are on crack when it comes to buffing Warrior, first it was 123% buff on OF in Alpha/ beta and now this lmao
sullen dove
feedback looping into more executes and more bladestorm n shit
formal ravine
How cooked are they at blizz
Read again
dense elbow
They are on crack when it comes to buffing Warrior, first it was 123% buff on OF...
To this day, OF is struggling to reach the same on-press damage
olive wraith
Col didn’t get hit too hard afaik
turbid bay
How much damage is thane doing in aoe now
toxic pivot
Col didn’t get hit too hard afaik
1 Ms instead of 2
unborn delta
MONK
Mystic Touch now increases Physical damage taken by 8% (was 5%).
Developers’ notes: The amount of classes that deal pure physical damage is quite a bit less than those that can deal magic damage. For this reason we are making some targeted adjustments to Mystic Touch to better improve its overall effectiveness for physical damage dealers.
3% fury damage buff LOGIN phase 3 is saved boys
olive wraith
How much damage is thane doing in aoe now
Give Archi some time
trail thistle
How much damage is thane doing in aoe now
holy shit that actually nice question
earnest shuttle
getting a buff on Monk to celebrate feels so freakin sad
dense elbow
How much damage is thane doing in aoe now
Same as before, with an add of +3% on overall at the 5t portion of things
olive wraith
1 Ms instead of 2
Right but you’re still gonna crit a lot
formal ravine
How much damage is thane doing in aoe now
Still not enough to swap on it from slayer
marble pilot
So are the thane buffs enough to do anything?
toxic pivot
Read again
What was your point how is it not an overall down
olive wraith
Wait for the post
trail thistle
Still not enough to swap on it from slayer
wdym slayer is so bad at aoe(at least for 5 target)
dense elbow
Thane is ahead of Slayer either way, so meh?
young swan
wdym slayer is so bad at aoe(at least for 5 target)
u dont know how shit thane tier is in aoe i guess
marble pilot
Also no changes huh? Just tier set adjustments kinda lame.
olive wraith
More tuning next week surely
trail thistle
u dont know how shit thane tier is in aoe i guess
never tested in ptr( i tested only as slayer during raid tests) is that actually so bad compare to 11.1?
toxic pivot
More tuning next week surely
SURELY
toxic pivot
Time to reroll
red berry
good lord ionizing strikes sucks ass
procs upon procs is not good i wish they'd realize that
final eagle
xddddd 2min
red berry
or tune them accordingly so
coarse nest
1.1%
final eagle
great tuning
coarse nest
Let’s goooo
red berry
i think this was a bit longer but ionizing was still 2.7%
coarse nest
formal ravine
Yeah the proc is still a massive issue
dense elbow
oh fuck
coarse nest
Oh no
sullen dove
bro said twilight devastation
coarse nest
Hidden nerf
dense elbow
bro said twilight devastation
Haters gonna hate 
coarse nest
Twilight deeznuts
sullen dove
35% proc is just abysmal
trail thistle
bro said twilight devastation
sullen dove
literally dont even make it give a TB charge and just make it like 80% proc
dense elbow
Ya know, slayer might actually be better than Thane now in M+
If TB gets neutred, the AoE uncap lead will shrink, and both Thane and Slayer can dance together in the mire
turbid bay
Just make ionising strikes, strike on 5 targets every 5 seconds during avatar
red berry
it would be better if raging blow procced on 5 targets for sure honestly
turbid bay
Call it a day
crude ridge
5min on training dummies
cold bluff
5min on training dummies
dog shit right there
sullen dove
it kind of is a problem they dont cleave at all
echo rapids
No intention of doing anything for arms or fury beyond tuning tier set numbers
sullen dove
cuz like
cold bluff
blizz did the job once again
sullen dove
on single target those procs would be really good
but ur not playing thane on single target
young swan
yeah its a sick buff for ST
dense elbow
I am just annoyed the monk buff equals us losing damage in all non-monk scenarios
echo rapids
And execute nerf oh lord
modest condor
sick buff for st but still 25% behind slayer
young swan
sick buff for st but still 25% behind slayer <:deadge:900279927138578432>
hey!
it could be worse!
modest condor
for now thane is still dead in all content
cold bluff
even m+ ?
dense elbow
Fury is dead, wdum
modest condor
yes
dense elbow
just bring arms
young swan
this is a very funny time to be a warrior play tbh
cause like
every week theres a new ptr build
dense elbow
for now thane is still dead in all content
wait, we are both wrong on that
We forgot PvP
modest condor
these buffs dont even allow thane to catch up to slayer on aoe
and that's not to mention the prio damage advantage that slayer has
young swan
and every week u think they couldnt possibly outdo the previous week
and every week they do
formal ravine
these buffs dont even allow thane to catch up to slayer on aoe
Expected with the proc rates
dense elbow
PvP! Fury must all migrate to PvP!
young swan
its actually hilarious
sullen dove
no but its ok because players shouldnt expect changes in the middle of a season (we are waiting for the next season)
the players dont know what they want!!!
fury is good!!!
marble pilot
So the 725% buff is still around 3% total for the tier set. So still trash garbage?
young swan
So the 725% buff is still around 3% total for the tier set. So still trash garba...
it aoe
cold bluff
Pure garbage
echo rapids
So the 725% buff is still around 3% total for the tier set. So still trash garba...
Its like buffing the strenght of an ant by 725%
dense elbow
fury is good!!!
Its fine, we are fine, it is all fine.
its fine.
sullen dove
like 3% in aoe
formal ravine
Its like buffing the strenght of an ant by 725%
That's a little scary
young swan
3% in aoe or are you saying its better in aoe?
im saying the damage of ionizing is only 3% in aoe
its pretty significant in ST
sullen dove
ionizings gotta cleave or proc like more times up to 5 targets or something
formal ravine
its pretty significant in ST
It's the same...
young swan
It's the same...
its not
young swan
the damage amount is, but the percent is different
south kayak
Just please buff the proc rate of the ionizing strikes, that’s all I ask
formal ravine
If it had 35% chance to proc per target individually then aoe would be good even at the 35% rate
sullen dove
its not per target tho
should be
but it will do the exact same damage on 1 target as 5 targets
thats like biggest problem with it
formal ravine
Yes I am aware
south kayak
thats like biggest problem with it
No it’s proc rate
formal ravine
But it could be super good if it worked per target
south kayak
sullen dove
well yea proc could be better to help both
but like its amicable enough st i think
more procs still isnt saving it in m+
unless its just like giga guaranteed every tb basically
dense elbow
It is a lot better than a 1-2% increase no matter what!
sullen dove
and then itd be broken in st
turbid bay
Does the new slayer set let raging blow roll on each target on meat cleaver aoe. Similar to the way bt currently works
south kayak
more procs still isnt saving it in m+
It can if the amount of TBs is more than doubled
sullen dove
no think itsj ust 20% chance on any targets
turbid bay
Dam
formal ravine
That would be a guaranteed proc in aoe lol
sullen dove
It can if the amount of TBs is more than doubled
forgor it did that cuz it feels so non impactful now
maybe a tad
rly would be nice if it reset cd too
formal ravine
Or almost guaranteed
sullen dove
like tb > tb could feel good
young swan
That would be a guaranteed proc in aoe lol
well no
sullen dove
but ur still waiting for cd anyway
young swan
its like 65% or something
sullen dove
same as reap proc from bt
formal ravine
But it would be pretty high
south kayak
rly would be nice if it reset cd too
That’s what we talked about when we thought of best ways to fix set but looks like they don’t agree or don’t realize
Increase proc rate and make it reset TB cd
That’s it and we’re Gucci
sullen dove
yoly
south kayak
sullen dove
bro tryina get warrior nerfed
young swan
reshii wraps outdamaged ionizing in bazes key lol
sullen dove
in bazes keys being the operative phrase there
formal ravine
What blizzard needs is what Valve uses in their chances. A behind the scene pseudo chance calculator. Basically it makes it impossible to have long streaks of no procs and it always evens out on the desired %
young swan
in bazes keys being the operative phrase there
normally id agree but these are literally just random damage procs they are static regardless of whether hes the god king or not
sullen dove
What blizzard needs is what Valve uses in their chances. A behind the scene pseu...
bad luck protection
formal ravine
So for 35% you would be getting a proc every 3-4 hits with that
young swan
So for 35% you would be getting a proc every 3-4 hits with that
thats what rppm is
formal ravine
Yeah valve uses it in Dota
frozen cosmos
Anyone consider how it plays with gathering clouds or snap induction?
formal ravine
It's super good
turbid bay
Pseudo rng is so good thought wow might have had it
south kayak
Keep spamming keys with thane so they get data of how shit it still is
young swan
Pseudo rng is so good thought wow might have had it
thats what rppm is
formal ravine
thats what rppm is
Not the same though
south kayak
Anyone consider how it plays with gathering clouds or snap induction?
That’s interesting
formal ravine
Pseudo chance is so good
south kayak
What that do again
formal ravine
Cus it never creates a streak of unluck
south kayak
Isn’t there a talent that increases TB proc chance that we don’t use
young swan
Isn’t there a talent that increases TB proc chance that we don’t use
30% more lightning strikes
south kayak
30% more lightning strikes
Nah fuck that
young swan
its really bad
formal ravine
At 35% intended proc rate the pseudo chance would guarantee lightning strikes every 4th TB roughly
frozen cosmos
south kayak
I think ideally, TB should proc them every 3 strikes
south kayak
Maybe
formal ravine
If you wanna completely remove the chance
formal ravine
Every 2 casts would be roughly a proc every 8 gcds so not terrible.
Saying roughly cus you might press it more often on st etc
jolly marten
if anything fury warrior recieved nerfs in this patch
ive run a key
very minor buff
formal ravine
was the 10% execute nerf warranted
It's kinda hard to fully compared because a lot of shit is not working properly
red berry
thats fair
jolly marten
if you could consider it buff
formal ravine
if you could consider it buff
If it does more what do you consider it a frog ?
jolly marten
If it does more what do you consider it a frog ?
0x1000 is still 0
frozen cosmos
We also still have a month before the patch. Yeah things are not great for thane but there is still plenty of time for things to get tweaked. The hysterics change nothing.
gleaming siren
Don't hope that things change be the change you want to see
red berry
it is concerning to me they haven't touched up anything whatsoever other then tierset
actually,, its baffliing
lmao
dense elbow
Don't hope that things change be the change you want to see
Hear hear! Bring your ass over to blizz HQ and make your case in person!
dense elbow
Remember to bring something to influence things with. Cash works. A lot of it.,
gleaming siren
Look I am a simple creature
I will do 50 keys week 1 and none of them as DPS
And everything else doesn't matter to me
If DPS Warrior is ass and I don't play prog that's that
If DPS Warrior isn't ass and I'm good enough to play that's also cool
Take things as they come not like I can change it
graceful wyvern
yo! does critical chain still the best titan disc for the belt?
azure coyote
THEY NERFED WARRIOR ON PTR?
Yo blizzard please triple our thunderbolt proc rate ffs
Thundrblast***
warm crag
https://tenor.com/view/lilydusk-midnight-poppy-land-in-hot-water-frog-sweat-gif-...
did we gain damage from the patch notes
young swan
did we gain damage from the patch notes
should be a post soon
dense elbow
Yes, the monk buff was a DPS increase
warm crag
i want blue man opinion
dense elbow
Dont need one, the monk buff was a DPS increase
jolly marten
actually from the testing ive done so far its kinda better if you priotize BT
even more than Rampage
young swan
actually from the testing ive done so far its kinda better if you priotize BT
ur testing is probably wrong then
jolly marten
at least it procs better
whole yacht
ur testing is probably wrong then
damn
echo rapids
Case closed
jolly marten
in aoe its not that behind pressing BT on cd
olive wraith
Hot damn a 3% aoe buff lmao
jolly marten
and maybe, maybe maybe it will synergize better with the reckless abandon talent.. giving you 2 stacks of thunder blast and pew pew
imagine buffing something 725% for some 3% buff overall
proven hornet
fluid pollen
Yes, the monk buff was a DPS increase
Hehe
flat river
whole yacht
next week will be better
