fury

[sullen tendon]

For arms and fury

[quiet breach]

oh ye that's weird 💀 more people killed jaina then the previous boss

[marble pilot]

Dont know all the way yet but I got the impression we replace it fairly early in season 3.

[narrow fossil]

skip boost?

[low folio]

ok so if im just returning, i dont need to bother leveling it up

[marble pilot]

Well its very little effort to level it up. And itll still be good till you do replace it. I just dont know when that is.

You can do t1 delves to level it

[low folio]

do the visions things go into season 3

[marble pilot]

I dont know. I dont think they are going away so maybe just for the helm enchant?

[dense elbow]

I am gonna miss Twilight Dev, at least it crit 3-4million, giga number for Fury

[sour frigate]

[steep fable]

Best option for puzzling cartel chips for an AotC pleb?

Is best in slots better than myth-track crafted weapon?

[low folio]

i dont think it is from what i remember before i stopped playing

[marble pilot]

681 crafted beats hero best in slots generally

[steep fable]

👍

[plush zephyr]

probably jastors/hoc/pace

[marble pilot]

Weapons are expensive though

And there is only a couple pieces left. M0 week will drop good enough stuff

weeks not pieces

[steep fable]

season 3 mid-august?
Can't decide if I should try for more gear or just wait for new season 😬

[marble pilot]

yeah ive seen people guessing 7th or 14th ish?

[plush zephyr]

Will probably be August 5th lining up with end of Timeways

[clever path]

@smoky vale i need you... come here... naked...

[plush zephyr]

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-eating-gif-25793804

[earnest canyon]

madox for horse

[winter shoal]

True

[thick fossil]

Scumbag.

[sudden tusk]

horse

[smoky vale]

lf 19 floodgate

[sudden tusk]

save me

[thick fossil]

Wts 15 floodgate

[whole yacht]

hey look. gio is almost a real warrior!

[thick fossil]

That's his DK. lol

[smoky vale]

(im playing warrior)

https://tenor.com/dLt5z0IzzMe.gif

[thick fossil]

lol

[whole yacht]

lmao

[thick fossil]

I'm currently getting more enjoyment out of Powerwash simulator than I am trying to get into keys with my warrior.

[whole yacht]

come join me on mop pre-patch

[fringe flame]

For Mountain Thane, Thunder Clap replaces WW?

[dense elbow]

Yep, in 99.9% of scenarios. So feel free to just use the macro that swaps out WW for TC as Thane

[fringe flame]

where would I find that macro?

[compact knot]

what is the 0.1%

[summer quail]

theoretically if you have tblast up and you aren't enraged and do not have any WW stacks and it's aoe it's prob a gain to WW to cleave the rampage and not use a non enraged tblast

not simmed it tho. but it makes sense

[open depot]

Been maining Ret and thinking of switching to War DPS. Not sure about fury vs arms and most stuff online seems a little outdated. Can someone give me a 2-3 sentence cliff notes on the difference? Is one currently thought of as better than the other?

[modest condor]

arms actually does damage in m+, fury doesnt

[fringe flame]

I'm only finding a WW replacing Slam macro

Nvm, this seems to work

#showtooltip 
/cast [known:Thunder Clap] Thunder Clap; Whirlwind```

[fringe flame]

I notice the macro that swaps Ravager and Bladestorm doesn't seem to work when you're mountain thane? Says that spell (bladestorm) hasn't been learned. I don't think Thane ever takes bladestorm though, but why does the macro break?

[earnest canyon]

Because you reference bladestorm but haven't learned it

[fringe flame]

No even when talened into Bladestorm it wasn't working

With Slayer it works with both Bladestorm or Ravager (even though you'd never run Ravager), but with Thane, it only worked when talented into Ravager.

[mild ravine]

you don't need to uise the macro, once you change ttalents your bars setup changes aswell

[fringe flame]

Even if you want to do the [@player] for Ravager?

[pearl sequoia]

its not about the macro, its the need to use a macro

when you switch to mountain thane your bars will switch to what you were using on that spec

so you can always just have ravager there (probably in the same keybind as bladestorm)

[fringe flame]

I'm just wondering why the macro breaks for Mountain Thane. It doesn't break for Slayer or for Arms.

[smoky vale]

@sudden tusk lf19FG

[sudden tusk]

i am forsaken

[smoky vale]

ive spent the last 4ish hours doing a fg and rookery

did not time any

🙂

[vocal fog]

why fury so fun in mop

[fiery edge]

because it's used to be

[little mortar]

What is the basic fury rotation ?

[hushed gust]

spam rampage as much as possible, fill with raging blow and bloodthirst at a high crit rate. slayer will prioritize Bloodthirst while in AoE, and Sudden Death-procced Executes when you have debuffs on your enemies. Mountain Thane will prioritize Thunder Blast, which is an upgraded Thunderclap.

your burst sequence is Recklessness+Avatar, follow through with Rampage, then Bladestorm or Ravager, followed by Thunderous Roar. dump rampage, and then Odyn's Fury if you take it.

and then AoE, you just use Thunderclap as mountain thane or whirlwind as slayer every 5th damaging button.

[olive wraith]

Wowhesd guide is also a good start

[little mortar]

I have BT WA but it rings way too much to my taste is there a way to tone it down or something less invasive ?

[plush zephyr]

Could just turn the audio off in the wa settings and then just go by when it flashes

[hushed gust]

under conditions in the weak aura, you can change the sound

[little mortar]

I don't mind the sound it's that it procs really often and starts to flash and ring around 50% not 85

[fiery edge]

I believe the rotation would be log out and create a new character

[past lance]

fury is way more fun than arms

arms is known to have higher dps often but its WoW... so as long as u gear your toon it really doesnt matter what spec u are

id go with what u find more fun and gear accordingly

im loving fury ive been a mage main since vanilla

so its a really fun change up for me this expansion

i played arms and prot as an alt to my mage the last couple expansions and didnt really get into it

but like i said fury is a lot of fun i think

two two handers is awesome lol

i think im going to switch into a slayer mythic + build though for 11.2

right now i am running mountain thane mythic + build

[fading sky]

In m+ it matters a lot ngl

For invites and pushin, if all you do is 10s i should deffo be able to have fun quite easily though

[past lance]

Yea ur not wrong.

I haven’t really gone above 10 yet

So no need to switch to arms yet

Just been grinding easy 7-10 mainly

I would am considering pushing 12s when the next season starts

[fading sky]

12-15 furys also fine

But u cant compete with equal skill ppl

So all depends if that matter to u 😄

[fading sky]

And yes atm thane tuning is horrid, but most likely that will change

[cosmic sundial]

I mean in execute phase it’ll ring more often if you have vicious contempt

[little mortar]

Yeah but even in dungeons it does ring a lot maybe it's just me ?

[cosmic sundial]

If you’re tab targeting yeah

If you have 10 enemies

One is in execute, you kill it

[little mortar]

I shouldn't ?

[cosmic sundial]

Target next one

[little mortar]

Oh

I'll try

[cosmic sundial]

As soon as it’s in execute it’ll ring again

No

I’m not saying you shouldn’t tab target

I’m saying the weak aura is going to run the check again each time you target something new

[little mortar]

Is fury good for priority target ?

[cosmic sundial]

So if things are close to dying and you’re not hitting BT it’ll go “kaching kaching kaching”

[little mortar]

So what's the difference between ring and glow ?

[cosmic sundial]

One is the sound it plays, one is the visual effect. They both happen when you should hit it

If the sound is really bothering you can either:

• Change it to a different sound you have in the weak aura
• Choose which sound setting the weak aura is on and then put the sound to 0. Notice I didn’t say sound DEVICE. It doesn’t put it to another sound device but you choose which sound SETTING, as in does the weak aura play on the Master track, Music track, Dialogue track, etc.

So if you normally don’t play with music, you can set it on the music track and never hear it but still have the setting if you ever wanted to hear it in the future

[fading sky]

I mean its decent but its not a funnelspec

[dense elbow]

Fury prio dam: you do 750m to prio target and 4m overall DPS.
Ret does 600m dam to the prio target and 6m overall DPS.

Sure, we do more prio dam than what ppl do just splashing dam around. But not by a significant degree.

If you want the prio target to die, you want what Gokke mentioned, a funnel spec.

On pure ST we got an advantage, but it is usually small. Fury does around 3m ST DPS, 4m overall. MM does 2.8m ST, 5.5m overall. They also got actual burst AoE damage.

Even our ST lead got little to no impact worth.

Arcane, DH or Elemental all do more AoE dam, and actually funnel DPS onto the prio target. Making it die well before the pack is over. (We barely move the needle)

Fury currently got no real merit, beyond being quite tanky. But even there we get beat by DKs, and yes, they also beat our DPS by a landslide.

Tldr: Kinda, but not really.

[sour frigate]

[bitter palm]

aint no way dks are tankier than fury

veteran of the third war got destroyed

[south kayak]

They're very close now since the nerfs

[bitter palm]

clappa is ridiculous

big hp man

[dense elbow]

I dunno, AMS is still a thing on top of the rest of their kit. Hard to beat the value of immunity.

Sure, we can argue that they are close.

[south kayak]

Why are you complaining about our tankiness lmao

[dense elbow]

If you want to argue that we are better at something, you better base it on a scenario where we use wrecking throw

I ain't

[south kayak]

we're one of the tankiest specs in the game

Who cares if dk is slightly better

fuck defense

focus on the actual problems

[bitter palm]

they are tankier at some things we are tankier at other

like mage at mitigation

[dense elbow]

I guess the point of 'what we do, even our main advantages, others do it better' was missed.

[bitter palm]

they can legit not take damage

[south kayak]

bro they nuked flameshaper burst or what

[bitter palm]

from something that oneshots someone else

[summer quail]

against magic damage i think they are. against phys nah

[dense elbow]

One of those things that feel good, but only you and your healer care about:
When the group spikes 100 to 20%, Fury Warrior only go down to 50% and instantly jump back up by their own effort

Sadly it ain't something that is valued over others doing 20+% more DPS

[valid tree]

Shud you only send Bloodthirst when the critt wa pings? 🙂

[dense elbow]

Basically, yes. Ofc on AoE send it on CD to fish hero spec procs

Just think of the sound as a que to send BT where you otherwise would send your next RB

[bitter palm]

ye

and against dots we are better for sure

especially heavy dots with er

(smolderon incident)a

[dense elbow]

All fun and games, till they can immune the DoT. Worse yet, immune the DoT element and solo soak and otherwise dangerous mechanic

Once in a new moon we get to reflect something tho, so it kinda evens out

[bitter palm]

idk the fact that they keep taking shit away

from reflect

is so annoying

let me reflect

nelth lair in s2 df

was peak

[dense elbow]

Can hunters interrupt or remove mechanics with feint, than we can reflect? Pretty sure they can

[bitter palm]

reflect tank busters

it was so peak

and on the worm boss u could reflect the nasty dot and it did damage back to the boss

cinema

[summer quail]

depends on the mechanic

[dense elbow]

Like overall

[south kayak]

Feign death?

idk

probably some

[dense elbow]

They can play dead and stop/remove so many things. From DoTs applied like in cinder, all targeted mechanics in mothetlode. Every channel, so on and on

Reflect usually is just a DR

[south kayak]

They can remove poisons or magic idk

[dense elbow]

Remember when we could reflect the paladins in priory? I remember

I feel we are tuned around being able to reflect things that got removed

[summer quail]

lmao nahh we're just tuned around raid. only outliers in m+ get tuned(as in the strong outliers)

[dense elbow]

Hm, I like my tinfoil hat the better, so I am going to run with that

SR stole our DPS!

[oblique trail]

@clever belfry

[clever belfry]

rude ballnezi

[oblique trail]

meow

[fluid pollen]

We thinking a rework coming?

Been very quiet for fury

[sand crest]

if a rework was coming, id think it wouldve been announced in the very first ptr patch notes

[south kayak]

Nah

[sand crest]

not randomly now

tbh im not hoping for much more than a thane set buff

[fluid pollen]

Yeah I think fury play is fun, just been awful quiet and no tuning notes either.

[regal wolf]

Hello, has anyone looked into what the bis list will be for Fury next Season?

[plush zephyr]

🔮

[dense elbow]

Wait another month and a half, then ask

[smoky vale]

or just sim

[dense elbow]

Any EU bro can check if there really isnt any 17s up? I can only spot 18s

[tranquil jetty]

hi furries

[dense elbow]

The wall to get into 18s is rough

[sour frigate]

I tried 18 priory today

Shit goes hard

People still didnt learn skip

[dense elbow]

just do a 19 rookery instead

[sour frigate]

I dont have 19 resi

[dense elbow]

You will have it soon

I trust

[sour frigate]

Nah i kinda dropped month ago

Playing alts

[earnest canyon]

How do you keep your eyebrows on fleek?

[dense elbow]

I hydrate

[fiery edge]

how's slayer set in ptr?

[clever belfry]

@oblique trail

[dense elbow]

Its fun having a ton of execute procs. Not as fun being annoyed by reap RNG.

Its more fun than the current tierset, but the (4) lacks punch to really make it top tier fun

[oblique trail]

Goose on the loose!

[clever belfry]

ballsHD

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/kokomi-genshin-impact-genshin-genshin-impact-characters-genshin-meme-gif-26159543

[smoky vale]

balls

[marble pilot]

Nothing going on today huh

[frank dawn]

no notes, ded gaem

[dense elbow]

Well, quite a bit of PTR testing

getting depressed

Ye, it is one of those days

[marble pilot]

Ah im at work. You guys are my distraction

Is it raid testing or dungeon?

[frank dawn]

we offer only despair for your distraction

[marble pilot]

And how are we doing in it.

"Id rather feel pain than nothing at all"

[dense elbow]

PTR situation in a nutshell:

• As on live, but amped up to 11.

You thought being 10-20% behind was bad, that our rotation was clunky and CDs not impactful?

Ohohohoho

do we have a suprise for you!

[marble pilot]

So decent enough in raid but not great and trash in m+ got it. Any streams to watch?

[dense elbow]

I presume we will do better than ever in raid, as I dont raid.

In M+ you will be calling the helpline to the point you are on a name to name basis.

[bitter palm]

slayer plays very well on st

and thats about it

[bitter palm]

its fun*

its cursed but fun

[frank dawn]

idk if it's cursed, honestly I think the slayer tier bonus as fury is awesome af on single target lol

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-horse-you-have-alerted-the-horse-pretty-derby-uma-musume-gif-15063465391514740847

[frank dawn]

but everything else is pretty cursed

[marble pilot]

Well I still have hope we get some changes/numbers tweeks before launch.

[bitter palm]

its just rb shit ye

[dense elbow]

I pray they make the (4) based on execute

[south kayak]

It's the best Fury tier set I've ever played with

not an exaggeration

[dense elbow]

so execute got prio on AoE

so M+ doesnt feel shit

[marble pilot]

Umamusume taking over in here as well?

[south kayak]

Like is there even a tier set for fury that was this good?

In terms of gameplay

[bitter palm]

ye sets are amazing

not thane but

colo and slayer

[frank dawn]

yeh honestly this feels like the play, just let execute be the enabler for the whole tier bonus

[bitter palm]

ye and it would play well with arms too

[dense elbow]

Yep, remove RB, and we looking at something that would be fun

[south kayak]

Some people might say S3 DF set

but I disgress

[marble pilot]

Slayer being fun could be nice. I honestly care more about having fun than being the best. But sometimes being trash no matter how good you do takes the fun away

[dense elbow]

Atm, it is too clunky to be fun

[marble pilot]

Though I prefer thane. Just from warcraft 3 nostalgia

[frank dawn]

S3 DF was super solid, and more well rounded. This hyper sudden death and accelerated bladestorm tho

fuck it's fun lol

[south kayak]

If the gameplay stays the same this might be the contender for the best fury tier set ever

[dense elbow]

you get 3 execute procs, but you got BT to cast, rampage, so on. It just clogs up.

[bitter palm]

idk thane is so clunky

[dense elbow]

ST tho, as Slayer, is fun

[south kayak]

I'm not talking about thane

it doesn't exist

[dense elbow]

then you can go exe back to back

[bitter palm]

idk i dont mind it when i see the execute number

[marble pilot]

I just like the the aesthetic of thane. Mountain Thane and Blademaster were the best warrior ish classes in Warcraft 3

[south kayak]

I love the set but I'd rather it buffed Rampage than raging blow

in the 4p

[dense elbow]

You meant to say Execute, I hope

[bitter palm]

it was great in raid but so ass in m+ for me

i hated fury in m+

[south kayak]

the 2p already buffs Execute

[dense elbow]

cause execute crits for 3.4m and RB crits for 3.2m

[bitter palm]

thats one hand

execute is split

wait so is rb

[south kayak]

^

no it's not

RB is not split

[bitter palm]

ik for a fact rb doesnt hit nowhere near stacked sd

[dense elbow]

Oh? I was sure it was two hits. Saved then

[south kayak]

I actually im not too sure about RB

but I 100% know execute is split

in details

[dense elbow]

It is, yep.

meh is easy enough to check, will waddle over to my PC

[bitter palm]

they are both split

technically

how details displays them is up to details

but either way exe is 2x rb

on average

[south kayak]

This shit could easily be fixed if they just removed the RB buffs/mods and put them into different abilities like BT and Rampage

[bitter palm]

bit more than 2x

[dense elbow]

Or just had the tierset double down improving execute

[south kayak]

Slayer's Malice buffs RB by 30%, should go to Bladestorm instead

4p should go to 20% rampage

[dense elbow]

Disagree

it should buff Execute or BS

the theme of the tierset

[south kayak]

Well, I guess i don't care as long as it doesn't buff RB lol

[dense elbow]

(4) now buffs slam

[south kayak]

I'm walking back on that statement

As long as it buffs Execute, BT, Rampage or BS I'm fine

[olive wraith]

Yes! Make our cds more impactful

[dense elbow]

RB is split on details

My doomium stays strong

[bitter palm]

ye

remove avatar

buff reck

[south kayak]

I don't get why they keep making things worse instead of trying to fix them by redistributing damage from RB

[bitter palm]

move reck to 45 odyns to 30 bladestorm to 1 min

[frank dawn]

tbh bladestorm kinda does a lot of fuckin damage on the ptr because of how often you get to use it atm

[bitter palm]

remove am

[dense elbow]

Cause having us choke on RB is their fetish at this point

[south kayak]

Does anyone have a good explanation for why they keep buffing RB

Why don't they just remove 50% of the damage there and put it in BT or Rampage

[dense elbow]

My problem is, sure it does "ok" damage, and if we are tuned that "ok" damage for us is actual DPS, it is all good and well.

But when you press it, you dont FEEL it.

It is the problem of trying to solve the issue with more casts, than more powerful casts.

[bitter palm]

cause what difference would it make

[smoky vale]

@eternal sundial @bitter palm @gleaming siren @clever path @summer quail

https://tenor.com/view/schnappi-schnappi-das-kleine-krokodil-kleine-krokodil-crocodile-egg-gif-24045530

[bitter palm]

bt is just rb with a different animation

[south kayak]

if you're a game development, wouldn't it make sense for an ability that you cast once every 4 seconds, that doesn't have a charge, to be doing more damage than an ability that has 2 charges?

[bitter palm]

we had this convo

[south kayak]

This is common sense

man

[bitter palm]

bt has nothing interesting

[smoky vale]

stop

look at schnappi

[south kayak]

You didn't tag me

I'm not

[bitter palm]

ballshd

[smoky vale]

@south kayak

[south kayak]

Ok then

[south kayak]

It doesn't matter, what matters is logic

Logically, BT should do more damage than RB

so you'd wanna use it on CD

[summer quail]

schnappi schnappi schnapp

[bitter palm]

add something to it and i will agree

it does nothing atm

like

mortal strike feels different

bt doesnt

[south kayak]

I've been advocating for it to do something but idk

I was thinking it could give 2 stacks of SS

[bitter palm]

bt feels like rb with a different animation

[south kayak]

or something

[dense elbow]

What if BT always did proc reap, instead of 20% of the time?

[frank dawn]

I feel like the target scaling mostly works ok, would rather them add BT cleaving back to unhinged

[south kayak]

Within these parameters, they can fix this issue by giving Bt 2 stacks of SS

Execute 3

still gotta nerf RB

nerf SS and buff rampage baseline

[eternal sundial]

Geil

[hushed gust]

This would give us a bit more burst, so yes. Do this.

[dense elbow]

Or hear me out, instead of making unhinged (the ST dam option) do more AoE, what if we had a choice node there... that, gasps improves our AoE?!

I dont know, something like instead of two charges and 30% less dam... 150% more bladestorm damage!

[south kayak]

150% is a lot but something close for m+ would be great

[dense elbow]

I just want to spin and win

[frank dawn]

may I introduce you to our lord and savior path of exile

Bladestorm gets channeled forever here

[dense elbow]

I dont want longer spins

I dont want more casts of spins

I want more damage on spin

[frank dawn]

but what if you just ARE Bladestorm

always and forever

[dense elbow]

sounds boring

[frank dawn]

lol

[gleaming siren]

What if Blood and Sand in WoW

[smoky vale]

sing it

[gleaming siren]

no

[smoky vale]

can you make me big

[earnest canyon]

Do you want to be like hunter and have to switch between aoe and st? I literally do a boss, and tank is already pulling trash and I have to st

[echo rapids]

Hear me out, what if bladestorm was an empowered spell

They seem to want to add more of those

[fading sky]

Longer bladestorm god no

[oblique trail]

What if Flesh and Stone

[echo rapids]

Empower doesn’t have to be duration

[fading sky]

I mean what else

U cant just hold it down and it spins same time but more dmg?

Makes no sense

[gleaming siren]

Demolish empower spell

(still doesnt do damage if you get outranged)

[earnest canyon]

does 4000% more damage, but you cant move for 10mins due to spinning so hard you drill a hole in the floor

[gleaming siren]

That's just PTR server lag

[earnest canyon]

lol

[echo rapids]

Shoots off lighting bolts and thunder claps at higher ranks?

I dunno

[fading sky]

Point is u would always empower

[echo rapids]

Being able to dial in your aoe cooldown by fight would be nice

Fights with faster add phases you might use the lower rank

Like rik barrels

[fading sky]

Cdr from slayer, prob makes it so, empower still better

Or bad coz of unhinged

But i mean not a terrible idea, in gen i prob feel like empowered shit is for range

Reason frost had its removed insta

[clever path]

Ladies im trynna do my work today hehe leave me alone type shit SHAKE YOUR DREADS!!! laaaadies come on you know you see me doing my work type shit

[echo rapids]

Yeah would be part of a bigger rework for sure, doesn’t work with the way our cooldown reduction functions

[fading sky]

Standing still charging, sucks as meøee

Its more bout how game works

[echo rapids]

Empowering doesn’t necessarily have to be a stand still and charge Ala evoker

But yeah

Like you could just hold down blade storm as it goes to charge it

[dense elbow]

I see no purpose for that. Just makes it sound like you ever would want to cancel it early, and that kinda doesnt make sense.

It aint no Sion slam, where you charge up for more dam and bigger knockup. Its a Garen spin

:(

[young swan]

oh did breath empower get nuked?

[marble pilot]

Yeah in like 48 hours or less

[young swan]

oh wow lol

[marble pilot]

It got posted all the dks said please no and they got rid of it

[young swan]

that was like the most interesting change they got

[fast mural]

tbf it was just a CD with a cast bar

[modest condor]

i would say no thanks as well if my spec got an empower ability

[winter shoal]

Real

[young swan]

i feel like id at least want to play around with it for 1 build minimum before getting it nuked forever

[cosmic sundial]

Super off topic but how do I get to Antoran High Command in Antorus?

[dense elbow]

The only empower ability I would kind of enjoy is the sion Q kind Charge up and knock em into the air with massive dam

[winter shoal]

New RA type shit

Cool to mess with from a theoretical perspective but dogshit to pay

[young swan]

kind of but not really

[winter shoal]

Play

[young swan]

i didnt even mind new RA gameplay when the BB bleed wasnt ass

was cool

[marble pilot]

Honestly playing an evoker alt empower is the only part that doesnt feel good

[young swan]

but my point is more that they shouldve given it a chance

cause theres interesting applications

[winter shoal]

Idk reworked RA just makes reck window feel very cluttered to me

Not interesting just cluttered

[young swan]

yeah i mean it sucks now cause the bleed is useless so u just slam CB

and that shit is ass

[marble pilot]

Nah its weird. Gotta queue for what level you want it to be. Had different interactions based on how charged. And in general cant move while charging em.
And latency can mess with which level you actually get.

Kinda why demolish feels like ass. Casting in melee just doesnt feel right

[young swan]

demolish feels sick as fuck

[marble pilot]

The numbers feel great. The sitting there doesnt

[fading sky]

Exactly

[young swan]

u arent even sitting there really

[fading sky]

So dont make me stand still

[young swan]

its not like fyralath OG

3 seconds unhasted

ur just stuck

[fading sky]

I mean demo feels ok, until a mob moves

[young swan]

no heroic leap

no charge

[marble pilot]

And that it turns you to the target so you can miss things. Instead of just where you are pointed.

[young swan]

i mean thats just a skill issue

[marble pilot]

Yeah but it feels bad

[young swan]

then get better?

[marble pilot]

SHouldnt have to change targets to hit the cone I want. Nothing else does that

[young swan]

like its should have some skill parity lmfao

[marble pilot]

I dont have to change targets to inturrupt. Could put the same argument on it

[young swan]

its not like arms has any constraints surrounding which target is the main target

[undone flower]

Empower as charge before launch or just a channeled bs

[young swan]

just pick a better target to angle the cleave

[fading sky]

I mean its not hard to usr

Doesnt mean, its well made

[young swan]

how did we get to demolish

this was about breath empowerment

[marble pilot]

It isnt hard. But it can be annoying. Half of being in melee is my ability to move while I do things. Except for this one ability. That the tank can mess up. Or someone else could displace.

It works similarly i guess. Charged ability that limits movement. Like the empowerments do

[young swan]

which, isnt even close to being the same as demo

[fading sky]

Keep in mind this issue isnfoxxed

[undone flower]

Demolish is a sick button, just the animation is lacking imo

[olive wraith]

Tanks can move the mob while ravager is going and it messes with the damage

[marble pilot]

Yeah thats why ravager sucks

[young swan]

feel like ravager is fine

[undone flower]

Ravager is fine yeah, just I don’t feel dopamine rewarded with 2 orange blade spinning on the ground

But how it works is fine

[marble pilot]

I dont hate ravager. But it isnt exciting either. Mine is just macrod to reck and to drop on wherever I am. Just easier to deal with it that way

[dense fulcrum]

warrior uncapped aoe, bl cr, aoe spell reflect for every allie in range when?

[undone flower]

Pls someone do a tierlist of our spells, I need letters to value things

[marble pilot]

And anything you can just tie to something else then ignore sucks imo.

[fading sky]

Bladestorm is s+ tier

[young swan]

I think the only spells id put in S-tier are BT and BS

[undone flower]

3 sec bs yes.

But A currently bc no damage

Or no, no tuning taking into account, just the spells

[olive wraith]

Next week

[undone flower]

Is there one on tiermaker ? If not, I know what I’m gonna do the next hour

[young swan]

not that i can find

[olive wraith]

Annihilator S

[young swan]

should only take like 30 min

might be a pain to find a gallery of all the spell icons but once you do that it should be freelo

[undone flower]

30 more minute to choose a pfp on the website

[young swan]

https://github.com/AcidWeb/Clean-Icons-Mechagnome-Edition

u might be able to yoink them from here

[undone flower]

for the icons, wowhead is my gallery

[earnest canyon]

what website

[undone flower]

tiermaker

i need to sign up to make a public tierlist

[earnest canyon]

i got a good pfp for u if u want, its where I got my username from:

[undone flower]

if i forgot one

i forgot ER

[earnest canyon]

why does it matter what pfp you have on that tier site

[undone flower]

it does matter.

[earnest canyon]

yeah im asking why? do they have to be unique?

[undone flower]

like discord pfp

[earnest canyon]

i guess i just dont get it

[clever path]

is that nightmare

[undone flower]

https://tiermaker.com/create/wow-fury-warriors-spells-111-18434036

[earnest canyon]

nightmare?

[clever path]

pure nightmare

[earnest canyon]

🤣

[cosmic sundial]

How does this even happen

[smoky vale]

https://tenor.com/view/schnappi-schnappi-das-kleine-krokodil-kleine-krokodil-crocodile-egg-gif-24045530

[earnest canyon]

No I know what tiermaker is, what i didnt get is why you needed a pfp in 30mins

[undone flower]

bc it is public

so you see my pfp

[earnest canyon]

lol

[modest condor]

http://puu.sh/KwCUc/626fdfbd5b.png

spent about 0.2 seconds thinking per ability

[undone flower]

heroic strike L

[modest condor]

im only rating real abilities

[undone flower]

i couldn't remember what spell ppl have with leveling,

[olive wraith]

Rb>bt is crazy

[undone flower]

yes.

i need to show my traitorous nature one day

[modest condor]

defensive stance in c tier is wild as well

[undone flower]

2 charges + reset itself, it might be the best ability in our rotation in my opinion

Yeah I don’t like stance dancing

[modest condor]

i mean

it's just a defensive on a 3 second cooldown in my eyes

i put battle stance in d tier because it's dumb that "not def stance" needs to be its own thing

[undone flower]

Yes so it is B if I feel neutral about stance dancing

But I agree, I should separate the two because it maybe is having to return in the other stance that is my big ick

[modest condor]

ok now we need a warrior/fury talent tierlist

and it needs a special rank below D that's just for storm of steel

[undone flower]

I will not go on that quest, some have the same icons, idc about EVERY talents, maybe the core ones

Bc improved bloodthirst doesn’t deserve to be in a tierlist

I take on that quest, I’m in a tierlist mood streak, I grab a Coca Cola

And a croissant

[earnest canyon]

Coca cola b tier, Pepsi s tier

[clever path]

tierlist

[earnest canyon]

Pauck F tier

[clever path]

not yet

@smoky vale us ❤️

[deft sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/sneaky-golem-clash-royale-clash-of-clans-deck-gif-15376946106704274290

[undone flower]

wrecking throw my ass

[dense elbow]

I love the idea of it, what can I say

[junior gale]

never trust a warrior who doesnt think charge and leap are S tier

[dense elbow]

S tier is for things close to OF, like taunt

[chilly fractal]

Look Funky… I love you like a 2nd cousin… but this tier list… it’s tearing the family apart

[dense elbow]

Lisa, no...

[chilly fractal]

You have Heroic Throw in upper B tier

[dense elbow]

It should have been A, arguably, I agree

[chilly fractal]

Should’ve been S

[dense elbow]

I respect that take

[chilly fractal]

How else was I supposed to do Ultraxion trash for all these years

[tepid cedar]

This tier list is about as good as the quality of blizzard warr devs

[dense elbow]

Not in combat? Heroic Throw. To small of a pull? Heroic Throw. Enemy too far away? Heroic Throw. Critter annoy you? Heroic Throw.

Heroic Throw is great on so many levels

[undone flower]

class tree done

[dense elbow]

Haters gonna hate B)

[undone flower]

i notice i saved multiple time int shout

[dense elbow]

One is Int shout

other is menance

they aint the same

wait, 3

[undone flower]

yes i saved twice when i wanted to modify the icon for menace

so it's 49 talents

[tepid cedar]

😂😂

However heroic throw is BIS I’ll give you that

[undone flower]

[dense elbow]

[tepid cedar]

Ravager is bis. Free skill that should bang out dps while you still use your rotation. Too bad it’s about as strong as funkys 2 min sim

[undone flower]

can't wait to save this image on my computer

[dense elbow]

rude

[undone flower]

I will do 3 tier lists class/spec/all, but I’ll link just the all

[dense elbow]

streamer gang gonna love ya

[undone flower]

Warrior content, no views

[frosty scroll]

do we bt over rb in m+?

[winter shoal]

What spec, what target count?

[frosty scroll]

just fury mountain thane, say like 5+ targets

[winter shoal]

Then yes

[smoky vale]

erm

[winter shoal]

Thane I think is 4+ targets you bt over rb

[modest condor]

3+ targets bt>rb

[smoky vale]

mhm

LOL

even worse

[winter shoal]

But realistically if you just bt > rb on any target count it's not that big a deal

Sorry any target count above 1

[winter shoal]

Number gets lower every day holy

Think the apl still says 4

[modest condor]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

it's been 3 since the buffs after the seismic bug also got added to sims

#fury message

[winter shoal]

I blame archi

[smoky vale]

im a pig now

[modest condor]

next season it will probably be higher again because they fixed the seismic bug

[smoky vale]

w nerf

[modest condor]

unless they actually change the thane set to be useful

[winter shoal]

Like a cop or

[winter shoal]

Prayge

[smoky vale]

look my tag

[winter shoal]

I don't get it

I mean I get it

[smoky vale]

it says pig

[winter shoal]

I just don't get it

Yes

[smoky vale]

my guild tag

[winter shoal]

What is the joke

[smoky vale]

w refined

[undone flower]

it is right there

[modest condor]

[undone flower]

why it's so big

[whole yacht]

ur mum

[undone flower]

i wanted to show unhinged and frenzy enrage are almost same icon

[undone flower]

noice

[plush zephyr]

throw the spec away tier list

I love taunt at C

tf

[young swan]

I accidently pressed it twice on fyrakk and almost got myself killed both times

c-tier button

[modest condor]

tc above tb

hmmge

[plush zephyr]

LOL

[young swan]

i like the icon better

[plush zephyr]

Intervene at A is 🧠

[young swan]

intervene only at A cause you have to spend a talent point on it

if it was as easy to take as SR it'd be S-tier

[modest condor]

intervene is way too niche to for me to put it anywhere high

if it still had safeguard instant S tho

[young swan]

that too

hard to justify

a-tier is appropriate to me

cause when its good its fucking insane

[smoky vale]

what if

[winter shoal]

Are we talking about the icons themselves or

[modest condor]

if we're talking niche then second wind is the best niche talent/ability imo

we're talking about vibes

[young swan]

nope just the ability in general

[modest condor]

how much do you like the ability

[winter shoal]

Wrecking throw in A is one of the worst takes I've ever seen

[young swan]

why

i think its epic

[modest condor]

pvp shit

[whole yacht]

if we are talking sheer vibes.

[young swan]

yeah pretty much just raw vibes

[whole yacht]

rampage S, bladestorm S, second wind S, everything else D

[young swan]

but obviously my list is the most objectively correct

[modest condor]

obviously not

[winter shoal]

Berserker rage in B but BI in C is deranged

[plush maple]

[modest condor]

both of them are shit

[plush maple]

Rampage not at the top wtf is this

[young swan]

if BI had bleed dispel and a 2min cd i would consider it higher

[young swan]

rampage sucks and is boring

[modest condor]

you mean bleed dispel?

it has a poison dispel

[young swan]

give it more interesting things and maybe i will put it higher

[plush maple]

I don’t need to suffer this, goodnight fellas

[winter shoal]

Intim and slam should be negative a billion tier

[young swan]

rampage has sucked since they removed the 5th hit and you will literally never change my mind

[winter shoal]

They're insulting to the other D tier abilities

Blast should be A

[young swan]

nah

the icon is worse than tclap

and it doesnt do enough damage

[winter shoal]

Blast is my favorite question mark

[winter shoal]

Real

[undone flower]

Yeah blast is carried by its icon

[young swan]

waiting for the talent tier list

gonna generate some epic discussion

[dense elbow]

Not that much to discuss tho, OF and Bladestorm is S tier, rest falls somewhere bellow it

[undone flower]

Yeah I posted the spec treelist, just cigarette break before I save the hero talents and do the all talents

[smoky vale]

french and cig break

name better duo

[undone flower]

Coffee and cig are my breakfast for the past 10 years

[winter shoal]

Facts

[smoky vale]

https://tenor.com/view/mushu-gong-mulan-dragon-ringing-gif-16519515450341576601

the prophet has spoken

[olive wraith]

Talent tier list? Smf is clearly S

[thick fossil]

"Dishonor on you, Dishonor on your cow, Dishonor on your family!"

[winter shoal]

Purple face is the only talent allowed in S

[olive wraith]

Purple face is truly the best talent

You right

If only we could get some Bt talents for extra support

[smoky vale]

warpaint focus in chaos frenzy

[young swan]

unhinged hello

[winter shoal]

Frenzy is Z tier

Miss me with that shit

Unhinged banger

Warpaint banger

Idek what focus in chaos does

[lean nacelle]

autos don't miss while enraged

[modest condor]

AM SSS-tier

[undone flower]

https://tiermaker.com/create/fury-warrior-all-talents-111-18434036
good luck

i tried to order the icons by row on the tree

there are separate ones for class and spec

[modest condor]

onslaught is missing?

[modest condor]

oh

i probably just blanked out while putting that in

[undone flower]

the huge forgot i did, deft experience changed icon, so when i reordered them, i saw the old icon, i didn't know what talent it was

[modest condor]

http://puu.sh/KwDf3/d14cd2219c.png

war crimes are talents that are actively harmful to talent into

added an E tier because i thought those talents were worse than the ones in D tier so they deserved their own tier

[fickle bluff]

ideas not so much power

[winter shoal]

Is that massacre in S tier

[young swan]

no just execute

[fickle bluff]

improved execute

[modest condor]

imp execute

[young swan]

er, improved execute

[modest condor]

massacre is first row in D tier

also the only reason seismic reverb isnt E tier is because it is useful for mountain thane

[plush zephyr]

delving makes me never want to play again

even if it's doing 3 tier 1s on an alt for the weekly

[young swan]

ok im redoing mine

[modest condor]

also just realised smf should have been in war crimes

nah i guess it's fine in E tier because it's intentionally put there for people if they want to do less dps but just like the mog

the other 2 are actually intended to be positive talents

[fickle bluff]

ya know i really hope 12.0 keeps storm of steel just because it would be funny

[modest condor]

im curious why you put thane storm bolts in c tier and not just all th way at the bottom of d tier

[undone flower]

Storm of steel is the worst talent

[fickle bluff]

because sending more bolts is cool (not that practical)

[modest condor]

the only scenario where i can see it being useful is if you need to stun 2 or 3 targets in raid and it happens too often for all the other aoe cc in the raid to be usable

[undone flower]

It is a spit in our face to keep it under our nose

[modest condor]

which is practically never

[undone flower]

Yeah and you need a situation where you can’t shockwave

[modest condor]

shockwave is part of all the other aoe cc in the raid

[undone flower]

Bc why would you stun 3 mobs when you can shockwave

[modest condor]

also depending on the length of the casts that you need to stun it can be harmful because it desyncs their casts

[undone flower]

But huge dps increase if you play thane with bladestorm

[modest condor]

no

[fickle bluff]

trvth nvke

[modest condor]

you lose boss damage because it increases the cooldown of storm bolt so you wont be able to use it during every bladestorm anymore

also no

because that's a slayer talent

[undone flower]

Oh yeah being able to cast during bs is not natty

A or S for that talent

[modest condor]

is that bloodthirst in devs were smoking crack?

[young swan]

yes making it a talent at all

means they were smoking crack

[modest condor]

ok i disagree with that argument

if you want to make that for an ability do it for rampage

[young swan]

rampage is in c-tier

[undone flower]

I think it is leveling experience those weird position for certain spells on some specs

[young swan]

but making BT baseline solves both issues

[modest condor]

rampage has way bigger "this shouldnt have been a talent" vibe than bloodthirst imo

or alternatively make rampage the first talent in the tree

[young swan]

agree to disagree, I do agree ramp should be WAY more accessible

its dumb as bricks you have to invest more than 2 talent points to get the ability the spec revolves around

[modest condor]

rumbling earth in S tier is based

one of the most underrated talents

[young swan]

that talent is fucking insane

[modest condor]

i've been playing it all season

[undone flower]

One day Colossus fury for bump shockwave

[modest condor]

colossus prot/arms with rumbling earth is just the strongest aoe stop in the game

hands down

it's like half the cooldown of the next lowest aoe stop or something

and it's not on any meaningful DR

[undone flower]

Yes to me it is some goated utility, since there is not a lot of displacements, so when I tank keys, shockwave never gets DR bc I’m the only dude with 20 sec bump

[modest condor]

does knockup even DR in the first place?

[young swan]

i dont think so lmfao

[undone flower]

Yes knock gets DR, by other displacements, which are very rare

Like Druid bump, dracthyr

[modest condor]

other displacements or other knockups?

ok

[undone flower]

Grips

[modest condor]

so knockbacks as well

hunter and shaman also have knockups, and hunter has a knockback

[undone flower]

If they use these every 20 sec

Idk their cd

[modest condor]

40 seconds or something along those lines

maybe a minute

im not sure

[undone flower]

DR disappear after 20 no ?

[modest condor]

yeah

[undone flower]

Yeah the rest of the time it is free real estate

[young swan]

im surprised slayer capstone b-tier isnt more controversial

[modest condor]

nah, i put it in A tier but i would be fine with B tier as well

[young swan]

i dont like desyncing cd's :#

[modest condor]

i have a bigger issue with pain and gain being in B tier

[young swan]

I think its just okay

[undone flower]

i'm not surprised, slayer SD is 99% of the fun

[young swan]

i value second wind more for wipe recovery

[modest condor]

my point is that you're overrating it

[young swan]

oh

yeah maybe

i didnt think much about it

[modest condor]

i dont even play it in m+

[young swan]

i just kinda tossed all of the generic warrior "utility" in b-tier

[chilly fractal]

this tier list is tearing the family apart!

[undone flower]

WHAT you don't value pummel as S ??????

[young swan]

i feel like we're being pretty civil honestly

where did i even put pummel

a-tier?

[modest condor]

it's not a talent

[undone flower]

it was in spell tier list

[young swan]

oh yeah

[modest condor]

oh in the old ability tierlist

[young swan]

im a warrior pummel actively works against part of my kit

[modest condor]

i think a melee kick is incredibly valuable but i can also see that if your focus isnt high end m+ then you dont really care about it as much

[young swan]

yeah idgaf m+

okay actually VERY surprised no one said anything about zerkers torment in e tier

[modest condor]

i didnt see that

but i know you hate the torments

so dont really care that you put them there

[young swan]

yeah not a bigly fan

i stole that sentiment from @warm crag

thanks man

ahead of the curve

dont think new titans placement is very controversial tho LOL

[modest condor]

definitely not

[undone flower]

tbf the biggest surprise is hack n slash

[modest condor]

i can see disliking hack n slash

[young swan]

partly there for the bit that everything added from bfa/SL is bad, partly because it enforces RB spam

[modest condor]

it basically singlehandedly allows the possibility of just ignoring bt altogether

[undone flower]

BUT DOGSHIT ?

[modest condor]

without hns you would prio bt more just to maintain rb changes

[undone flower]

#fury message hum

[young swan]

I also dont like the RNG

[undone flower]

(im a slutty RB apologizer)

[young swan]

theres like a 12% chance that u dont get a reset and it feels like SHIT when that happens

id much rather it just gaurantee return 1 charge every time for consistency

[warm crag]

hi

[young swan]

hi sponger

[warm crag]

good sentiment to steal

[undone flower]

also, i wouldn't trash fresh meat

but 10% better BT shadows it

[hardy cargo]

bit late to the party and had to rush it together bc work in 5mins so not everything in perfect order but I would say within 3-4 spots of where it should be in terms of order

[sullen tendon]

dude how tf is armored to the teeth at the top

[young swan]

its an insane talent + armor scaling is cool

[sullen tendon]

mandatory talent that does nothing and could be solvbed by them jsut increasing our dam

replaced with useful talent

[sullen tendon]

ngl this is fucking insane in general

ravager in S teir lmaooooooooooooo

[lavish pecan]

Is this supposed to be a tier list of how powerful they are, or how good they are on a conceptual/design level, independent of tuning/pathing?

Because I feel like Onslaught should be bottom tier by the second metric

[dense elbow]

It is by whatever metric you want it to be

Tierlists

[sullen tendon]

any tier list with raging blow above C should be disregarded

[young swan]

just how much u like em

[dense elbow]

As long Spell Reflect is in S tier, we can agree to disagree on the rest

[young swan]

raging blow isnt a problematic talent

[dense elbow]

it is just meh

[young swan]

its everything that buffs raging blow

[sullen tendon]

raging blow itself is a problem

[young swan]

no its not

[sullen tendon]

without talents it is useless

with talents it is too good

its boring

a boring skill that is mandatory

[young swan]

i think ur too jaded for this conversation friend

[sullen tendon]

remove hte raigng blow talents and it becomes a useless rage gen ability

raging blow is fucking cancer

[young swan]

thats like literally exactly what its supposed to be

what class do you think you're playing?

[sullen tendon]

ITS NOT

its supposed ot be the equivelant of slam

but it is the only thing we want to press most of the time

[young swan]

the only thing its supposed to do is generate rage

[dense elbow]

Bobby do be right, you cant say RB is just a useless ragegenerator, or is supposed to be just that.

It does far too much dam

[young swan]

thats exactly what its supposed to do!!

but the talents we have make it too good

primarily hns and ss

[dense elbow]

It is supposed to do tons of dam, generate some rage, so you can do tons more dam with RB

[young swan]

did both of you just like

not play bfa

[slim coral]

The only ones that matter

[sullen tendon]

GET THAT SHIT OUTTA THERE RIGHT NOW

fuck ravager

[dense elbow]

Rally not in C tier? fake list, not bazed.

[sullen tendon]

ravager needs to be fucking deleted from existence

[slim coral]

Rally is cheeks

[dense elbow]

C for cheeks

[young swan]

why should ravager ever be deleted

i'll never understand this sentiment

[dense elbow]

Why do you ask Bobby those questions ._.

[sullen tendon]

because bladestorm is always more preferable

[young swan]

except for everytime you arent playing slayer specifically

and then ravager is universally better

[sullen tendon]

you dont even take ravager for ravager you take it for bt

[young swan]

in fact, ravager was almost better for slayer too!

[rigid stirrup]

@slim coral any trinkets feelin good on PTR?

[young swan]

no you take it so you can do your rotation while having an uncapped aoe damage source spinning on the ground

[dense elbow]

You take ravager cause it is efficent (if boring) damage ._.

[dapper goblet]

where does the dragonflight lego go on that list

[dense elbow]

DF lego?

[young swan]

fyralath

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/uh-wtf-gif-18188575

[rigid stirrup]

funny how lego just ended up being demolish

[dense elbow]

Like in the greyzone?

[sullen tendon]

dude insane uncapped aoe

[slim coral]

D

in terms of feel

[dapper goblet]

dumb

[dense elbow]

Pretty good

[young swan]

doing 5% damage while you get to do ur entire rotation is insane yes

[sullen tendon]

you know waht else does uncapped aoe and actual damage

bladestorm

[young swan]

insane comprehension skills coming out from bobby here

[dense elbow]

Bladestorm does damage?

[lavish pecan]

Here's mine based on what I think of stuff design/fun wise, I left off a lot of stuff that was too bland to think about

[sullen tendon]

hard to compregend from so much ravager use but bladestorm lets you move too

[slim coral]

netherprism is fun

but I wouldnt say any feel fun

they're just there

[young swan]

does it let u do ur rotation

yes or no

[dense elbow]

Bladestorm allows you to move, cause Ravager does not?

[sullen tendon]

yea its called spinning and doing damage

[dense elbow]

I am confused

[young swan]

does bladestorm let you do your rotation yes or no

[sullen tendon]

because you throw down ravager and then tank moves mobs and it takes 4 years for ravager to catch up and it goes away by then

[lavish pecan]

Yes, because Bladestorm is part of your rotation

[rigid stirrup]

copy tyvm

[dense elbow]

My brain hurts

Bobby

[young swan]

its a cooldown not rotational but nice try good bait

[lavish pecan]

That's like asking if Chaos Bolt lets you do your rotation

[dense elbow]

I must be honest, Bobby might be the greatest on Skyhold atm

I know what he is doing, yet I still nibble

[sullen tendon]

i was the only fury warrior born with half of my brain intact apparently

[dense elbow]

Meh, that doesnt work. Ya need to push our buttons in a different way

[sullen tendon]

ravager has been cancer forever

[dense elbow]

That is better

[young swan]

if u had half ur brain intact u wouldnt spend all day shouting nonsense into the void that is this discord

[winter shoal]

Are you @ing yourself or

[young swan]

ive been doing this for a while tho

[winter shoal]

This being shouting into the void?

[chilly fractal]

In WoD my guilds Blood DK would mass grip adds out of my Ravager all the time

[winter shoal]

Skill issue

[sullen tendon]

i havent talked in here in 4 days

[dense elbow]

Doubt that

[young swan]

u talked here literally yesterday

[sullen tendon]

thats almost 4 days ago

[modest condor]

storm bolt into rallying cry checkmate nerd

[young swan]

oh wow

[dense elbow]

Hold up, wait a moment

we can rally during it?

[lavish pecan]

Yes.

[modest condor]

yes

[dense elbow]

How do you know this? when?

[lavish pecan]

You can use defensives and rally is a defensive

[dense elbow]

huh

[modest condor]

since always

[sullen tendon]

ill never convince someone who thinks raging blow is a fun ability that ravager isnt a fun ability

[earnest canyon]

Someone do a tier list of people's tier lists

[dense elbow]

My mind is blown, I havent pressed rally in... what feels like years

[young swan]

i didnt say rb was fun i said it wasnt a problematic talent

which is correct

its made problematic by other talents

[sullen tendon]

that can be said about everything with fury war

[young swan]

but the cool thing is, if you remove the problematic talents rb is still good

cause you cant not press rb

[sullen tendon]

DF S3

[lavish pecan]

Yeah, there's stuff that are basically just the foundation or bricks or w/e you want to call it

Raging Blow is that. You don't really get excited or care about it but it's not like it's frustrating or feels bad

[young swan]

annihilator doesnt exist and shouldnt

[sullen tendon]

people would rather not press it at all

[winter shoal]

L

[dense elbow]

Nah, Bobby just stated 'that goes for them all'. You must counterargue the point, Xan

Dont let Bobby keep spinning

you must lock down

like a dog on a bone

gnawgnawgnaw till it shatters

[young swan]

the rb problem is like

[lavish pecan]

A button being your lowest prio filler doesn't mean it's bad design, it just means it's your filler

(I know RB isn't always lowest prio filler, but it is in some seasons and some builds)

[young swan]

giga easy to solve

[sullen tendon]

i think you jsut get upset when someone doesnt agree with you on the most doo dogshit class design

[modest condor]

delete SS

[dense elbow]

RB isnt always? Isnt it basically always the highest

[young swan]

no i thnik you just have 0 grasp on how class design works

[lavish pecan]

It's like when Arms warriors complain about Slam. Slam really isn't a problem. It's bland, but it's supposed to be something that you don't want to press much so that your other abilities can shine

[lavish pecan]

Depends, at times there have builds that have it pretty low

[dense elbow]

I dunno man, feels like I have been pressing RB a lot this expansion

[sullen tendon]

raging blow 1. doesnt look good visually 2. isnt fun to press 3. makes you press it over other more fun buttons because if you dont you lose too much damage potential 4. fucks up the entire spec tree with talents catered towards it

[lavish pecan]

I didn't say "this expansion"

[dense elbow]

Oh, sure RB wasnt a problem in vanilla

[young swan]

and ur solution is somehow to remove rb instead of remedying the underlying issues

[dense elbow]

if we gonna talk about all time periods and stuff

:v

[lavish pecan]

Even in DF, there were seasons where we played other stuff