fury

[sullen dove]

and make it not last as long or something to balance

[bitter palm]

just remove avatar

and it will be balanced

[sullen dove]

real

[bitter palm]

avatar is so shit

[sullen dove]

avatar boring asf

[fast mural]

Hope for week 0

[sullen dove]

just bake it in

[bitter palm]

u forget

[winter shoal]

This would mollify people for like 1-2 patches and then they would start complaining about the 8 target cap just like outlaw players do

[bitter palm]

its crazy

that outlaw players are complaining

when the spec is busted

[winter shoal]

Busted maybe but also extremely cringe

Killing spree might be worse than demolish in terms of getting you killed when you press it

forced downtime in keys nuking your buffs

8 target cap isn't the worst thing in the world but also like just why

[bitter palm]

they changed it no

killing spree

[winter shoal]

idk I'm just yappin

I haven't played outlaw since KS was a thing

[bitter palm]

next season that is

[winter shoal]

[smoky vale]

they did

its not a terrorist global anymore

next season

[winter shoal]

KS on sprocket just tell everyone else good luck

[bitter palm]

ye

and then forcing u to play it

xdd

main reason why i didnt touch outlaw ngl

sub is perma underrated

tbf

takes 10x more effort

than the other two to deal less damage

[echo rapids]

Now killing spree is basically like demolish

[winter shoal]

sin is so fun for like 20s then you run out of energy and

[bitter palm]

ye

despair to play idk how can people play it

[south kayak]

It feels bad outside of shadow dance but you’re in shadow dance fairly frequently

There’s a downtime between

But I think that’s fine because there’s something to look forward to in a few seconds

[undone flower]

yes in ST you are in pain, and i asked someone if you pool energy, they said me no, like WDYM YOU DONT POOL ENERGY

[lean bluff]

Since they brought back tier sets, how many times has Fury's been a 1% or less damage increase?

[modest condor]

0

[lean bluff]

DF s1?

[modest condor]

that was around 3%

[earnest canyon]

i went for a nap, came back expecting you guys to have got them to buff warrior, and nothing has changed

[oblique thistle]

Warrior is fine, no changes necessary

Warrior is so fine in fact that I will be enjoying my warrior from a very far distance while I play warlock next season

[earnest canyon]

🤣

i was gonna go back to my hunter but MM appears to have been nerfed to hell

[winter shoal]

Saw bond do like 14.5m overall in floodgate earlier

As much as mm and spriest in the group combined

[umbral wave]

who

[winter shoal]

Bondd

Best ele shaman in the world innit

[earnest canyon]

i prefer big_gary

[umbral wave]

beta class

[young swan]

i prefer showbelly

[slim coral]

I prefer baze

[winter shoal]

big if true

[bitter palm]

baze owns skyhold

[sullen dove]

king glaze

[slim coral]

Together we shall save fury

[bitter palm]

:cluegi:

next time

next build

3 pages of fury and arms changes

:cluegi:

[slim coral]

yes exactly

the warrior changes were so massive it takes weeks to type out

[bitter palm]

"Arms:
damage increased by 10%. Does not apply to PvP combat.

[slim coral]

just buff the cds

Idc about anything else

[bitter palm]

Fury:
damage increased by 15%. Does not apply to PvP combat.

u will spam raging blow

and u will like it

surely midnight big rework

i mean

it HAS to happen right

both dps warriors are plagued by design issues

[olive wraith]

Ret will get reworked or tree changes

[bitter palm]

idk i dont play prot enough to have a strong opinion

but prot seems fucked design wise too

u are either too tanky or too squishy idk

i feel invincible and then suddenly i feel like paper idk

might be skill issue

i spam revenge

[bitter palm]

mage

95th rework

[echo rapids]

What? Prot is fine

[oblique thistle]

Prot will be fine as long as fueled by violence doesn't get nerfed

[echo rapids]

Not the best it’s ever been but its a fine tank spec

FbV can get a slight nerf and still be ok

[bitter palm]

ye but i am talking design wise

kinda stupid design wise imo

[echo rapids]

Whats stupid about it

[bitter palm]

they got rid of spell block

and gave us stupid self heal

[echo rapids]

And nerfed magical tank busters across the dungeon pool

But I don’t play prot at a title range

[bitter palm]

also the fact that pwar should be low self heal giga high mitigation

not trampoline

like bdk

[bitter palm]

i mean it doesnt have to be

but its been that way

for so long

[olive wraith]

It’s not really bdk afaik. You still mitigate most stuff through IP and defensive

[echo rapids]

It’s hard to balance tank specs at the extremes of the mitigation vs healing spectrum

Loll at BDK

[olive wraith]

Oops I misplayed a global or two guess I die

[echo rapids]

All self healing and no mitigation isn’t good and all mitigation with no self healing isn’t either

At least balance wise

[bitter palm]

ye its not exactly bdk

but u get the point

[olive wraith]

Don’t think I do. It’s not that bouncy

Ppal is more bouncy

[oblique thistle]

I ditched fury for prot this season and I can say that prot right now is definitely on the side of high mit with low self sustain, but it's not entirely absent and having more of it won't be a bad thing if they're going to take away spell block and give us basically nothing in return

[bitter palm]

ppal gets oneshot

[bitter palm]

next season u have much more self healing

cause fueled by violence got giga buffed and colossus 4p

[olive wraith]

Prot is also more stable than bear

[oblique thistle]

Yeah ik that's what I was referring to earlier, as long as FVB remains port will be fine

Fury on the other hand needs god

[olive wraith]

There was some title pusher tank playing on ptr with all the ranks

Prot is actually super strong rn

[oblique thistle]

Er, me I guess

[bitter palm]

prot is really strong for sure

[olive wraith]

Might’ve been pika but idr.

[bitter palm]

pika usually pushes iirc

as pwar

[bitter palm]

needs more than that ngl

same with arms

[olive wraith]

He did a big pull in the new dungeon as each tank. Prot/dh were the only ones capable of doing it at a 15

[oblique thistle]

It sucks because I would much rather play fury

[bitter palm]

bdk did it too no

[olive wraith]

Think it was a lower key

[oblique thistle]

If they at least tune it decently for M+ I will play it even with it's current design flaws

[bitter palm]

ye yoda did it

15

[olive wraith]

Ah it was yoda

[bitter palm]

its just slow asf

cause bdk

[echo rapids]

I mean bdks can do 15s

[bitter palm]

pwar doing 4 mil hps

is kinda sussy

bdks can solo most dungeons

just takes 329548 years

[olive wraith]

More just talking about ptr rn. Bdk for sure can do higher

[echo rapids]

Pwar lost one magic cooldown, while the entire dungeon pool got magic damage nerfed and prot got its healing quadruped. It’s in a good spot and fun to play

[oblique thistle]

Prot also still has spell reflect and hunker down

[olive wraith]

How does the passive ravager feel?

[oblique thistle]

It's RNG so eh

You theoretically get more over the course of a dungeon but not having control feels kinda stinky

[bitter palm]

i dont think that rng ravager makes sense

u kinda want it for the rage

and its rng

[oblique thistle]

Yeah

Having agency over when you can flood rage gen is really important

Esp on big pulls

[bitter palm]

thane prot in shambles

fuck thane anyway

[oblique thistle]

I press demolish and big number come up brain happy 😁

[bitter palm]

i press shield wall for avatar and demolish

bigger number

[oblique thistle]

I press raging blow for the 10 quadrillionth time my eyes glaze over, the voices come back ...

[bitter palm]

i press cleave for the 1034905735730953th time

in a single pack

nah cant lie colo arms is good in m+

gameplay wise

[oblique thistle]

The opener feels like such a mess tho

[olive wraith]

Thane prot is so down bad

[oblique thistle]

I tried arms once and it felt so weird

[echo rapids]

Too many short cooldowns

[bitter palm]

it is ye

[echo rapids]

Blizzard needs to get over it

[bitter palm]

main issue with colo

[lean heart]

the funniest shit is for prot is they added that 4% gamba talent

[bitter palm]

too many cds and all are on a different cooldown

alignment is hell

[lean heart]

"ah guise my gamba didnt hit sorry gg we wipe"

[oblique thistle]

They updated it, it doesn't even prevent all damage anymore it only cuts it in half lmao

[lean heart]

lmao

giga dog piss

[bitter palm]

u get full healed next second anyway

[oblique thistle]

They took the shitiest talent imaginable and literally made it worse the very next ptr build

[bitter palm]

[echo rapids]

A proc talent for damage mitigation is absolute smooth brain shit

[lean heart]

on a 4% too

[bitter palm]

2 stacks of spell reflect talent when

charges

[oblique thistle]

That would actually be so sick

[lean heart]

aht aht aht spell reflect requires too much game knowledge to use im afraid its gonna get removed

[echo rapids]

Prolly busted in pvp

[bitter palm]

pvp

prot in pvp

[echo rapids]

😂

[oblique thistle]

Yeah just replace the shitty 4% talent with spell reflect getting a second charge

[olive wraith]

Shield block allows spell reflection for 20% mitigation

[oblique thistle]

Instant W

[echo rapids]

2 charges for spell reflect with the 35% spell DR is just such a simple solution

[oblique thistle]

Hunker down gives extra magic DR on spell reflect so I don't think they would ever do both

Just make it a choice node with two charges

[bitter palm]

just remove both and put 2 charges sr there

maybe keep the extra dr ig

for raid idk

if big magic tank buster

iirc prot couldnt prog sark

in aberrus

early

cause u couldnt survive the magic tank buster

spell block cd was too long

[oblique thistle]

What do you mean just press wall

[bitter palm]

surely

[sullen tendon]

fury is such a dead spec that people just talk about arms and prot in here now

[plush zephyr]

FDK next season?

gonna probably own

[olive wraith]

Fury is getting buffs don’t you worry. We are gonna be top meta spec

[dense fulcrum]

the moment u say it, u know it will never happen

[dense elbow]

It's fine. It will be fine. We are fine. All is fine. It's fine

[oblique thistle]

We like talking about specs that actually get changes and aren't tuned like shit

But its fine, we'll be fine.

[compact knot]

arms getting changes

haha

its just the better spec

[oblique thistle]

mostly the not tuned like shit

Fury > Arms but arms does dam and fury doesn't

[compact knot]

disagree

as a fury otp of 4 years

[earnest canyon]

agree

[oblique thistle]

claims to one trick fury for 4 years and says arms is the better spec?
Yeah you definitely one tricked this spec

[winter shoal]

I promise you khazix is better at fury than you

(no glaze)

[loud locust]

yo random question here but i bought all the schematics for the Gob-Trotter appearance for my dirgible mount but when i go to the rostrum of transformation non of the pieces i can actually change, can someone pls help me figure out how

[plush zephyr]

Did you, learn them?

[loud locust]

yes

i got the achievment too

called from trash to treasure

so its a bug then

[compact knot]

thats crazy glaze

wtf

parsing on arms is impossible

[summer quail]

when you say "better spec" do you mean better designed or stronger? or both

coz stronger no doubt about it

[compact knot]

i think arms colossus is the best designed spec out of all 6 (including prot/hero talents)

arms colossus
prot colossus
fury slayer
prot thane
arms slayer
fury thane

top to bottom is my tier list

[summer quail]

oh colossus. yea i can see that, well atleast next patch with demolish not cancelling

[summer quail]

i would put arms slayer so far beneath you wouldn't even see it hahah

[compact knot]

idk fury thane is the worst thing ive ever played

it looks cool but it feels the same to play

prot thane is only higher because it feels different in that it has a much higher rage gen over its counter part but is just way worse dps wise

but like fury thane...

its just whirlwind is replaced by tclap

doesnt feel different

[summer quail]

i think fury thane kinda feels like dragonflight fury

[compact knot]

arms slayer is only bad because of jugg

[summer quail]

yes. but that is kind of like saying a sandwich is only bad because it has shit on it. kinda taints the entire sandwich

[winter shoal]

You taught me smolderon tech

I still did shit on that boss but I appreciated the knowledge

[compact knot]

smolderon best boss made in 99 years

[compact knot]

yeah i was going to add more to it

haha

its only bad because of jugg

but jugg is like EXTREMELY bad

TWW prepatch i thought colossus was the least interesting of the 3, now im glazing it hard

[summer quail]

yeah, sd procs should be satisfying and we should press it as soon as sd procs. fury slayer next patch has it right

[winter shoal]

slurry next patch kinda owns

just doesn't do dam

[compact knot]

spamming execute is peak

or spamming bloodbath/bloodthirst

[summer quail]

demolish very satisfying, just annoying when it gets cancelled but they fixed that. another thing is desyncs but it is what it is

[compact knot]

i never really got mad about demolish getting cancelled if it got outranged

because 99% of the time its my fault

i AM mad though when i jump and demolish and it gets cancelled for no reason

[summer quail]

i get annoyed in rookery with the jumpy boys. should be no issue if the ranged didn't stand miles away

[compact knot]

also the change for the aoe to happen around you im pretty happy for

for the cases the mob DOES leap away

[summer quail]

yeah it's big good

[halcyon oak]

Had to redo my WA's and lost the one where it has the 'Ka-Ching!' sound for Bloodthirst. Can anyone provide direction where to get it?

[winter shoal]

#1237307732705415228 message

[halcyon oak]

Dang. All I know is I got it from Critcake, just don't remember where.

[winter shoal]

?

The one you asked for is on there

"Bloodthirst crit tracker"

https://wago.io/hKMfHReC2

[halcyon oak]

Sorry lol, it showed #Unknown to me at first. Thought you meant you didn't know. My bad. Thank you btw.

[winter shoal]

Classic discord

it do be doing that

[quiet breach]

oh my FUCKING GOD

LAST PULL OF THE NIGHTE

OCE

LAST PULL OF THE NIGHT CE

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[sullen dove]

always tradition

gratz

u either get ce in first 3 pulls or last pull no in between

[slim coral]

gz

Now can we buff fury

[quiet breach]

IM COOOOOOOOOOMING

[compact knot]

W

[winter shoal]

gz big dog

[red berry]

thane to me

is just missing something

if it leaned more into the fantasy of lightning

idk

[chilly fractal]

Yes my fantasy of Fury using lightning… the spec that hadn’t even had access to Thunder Clap in years

Or wasn’t useful

[sour tundra]

make Odyn's fury great again

[cosmic sundial]

Decided to look at ptr notes after being busy all day

why am I not surprised

[compact knot]

it should interact with odyns fury

in some way

so it could feel different than baseline fury other than just "thunder clap"

[winter shoal]

wasn't thane a class in wc3 or something

dual wield + thunder clap type shit

I didn't play wc3

[slate light]

cool warriorr updates/tuning in new builld 👍

[chilly fractal]

Going back even further than the history of WoW for that

[red berry]

sort of, yeah. there was that thing.

[quiet breach]

what is the highest world rank 6 hour a week guild that u know of?

[willow cradle]

Ah shit, my GM keeps comparing us to one, I should remember their name lmao

[slim coral]

yeah it's called a tier set and dps

[slim coral]

blur I think

[quiet breach]

they are 7, but it's actually fucking insane they are rank 99 at 7 hours a week

wtf they are some gamers

[echo rapids]

Mountain king, dual wielding dwarf warrior with storm bolt, thunder clap and avatar

[grim prism]

yo, is fury not supposed to get changes for the next patch?

or is that not something we know yet

[static mountain]

Fury is fine

[grim prism]

that is an answer to my question

[echo rapids]

Fury will or will not get changes that will or will not be good

[summer quail]

we do not know, but i wouldn't hold my breath. chances are if there were big changes happening they would have announced it

[quiet breach]

did they announce DK rework or hunter rework

before it went on PTR?

[slate light]

no but they put that in the first day of the new ptr, they not gonna put big changes half way trought the ptr cycle

[quiet breach]

yeah thats why im sayin this discord is on level 9999999 cope

[summer quail]

yeah

this was before we knew any of the class changes

[olive wraith]

Dw guys we are part of the many more

Low key surprised thane wasn’t mentioned though. It’s lame that fury tier just has to be awful at least once an expac

[hardy bluff]

gz

[hushed gust]

Thane tier is megabutts. Slayer tier looks like beyblade might be meta again.

well- meta for fury at least

[cosmic sundial]

Where do you think everything in the game comes from lol

[earnest canyon]

warhammer

[unreal onyx]

Some dudes mind

[earnest canyon]

it really was warhammer, at least the base

[cosmic sundial]

Well now we’re just being obtuse

[fading sky]

Sadly warrior is fine

Dk needed another tuning round

On both specs??

[earnest canyon]

DK is a hero class, for heroes

[cosmic sundial]

Blood also got minor changes from hero talents so they all got something

[fiery edge]

i heard warrior has utilities

[fading sky]

True, might just dk next tier if we get nads

[cosmic sundial]

Yeah we pay them every month

[fiery edge]

man arms be doing random sick combo with demolish and leap

what about foory?

[olive wraith]

Honestly I’m most surprised boomie didn’t eat a nerf

[native wadi]

We execute now

[fiery edge]

i'd love to be on a chopping block

[native wadi]

Top prio execute at least will get us some extra dopamine from sudden death

[fiery edge]

thane set is

[native wadi]

[fiery edge]

[native wadi]

Thane is deleted from game

[fiery edge]

good

[native wadi]

11.2 ceases to exist

[radiant plank]

[native wadi]

I tried in the dh boss had a seizure

[fiery edge]

mountain dew aaaaah looking talent

[native wadi]

0 dps literally you cant even feel the set

And the new lightings do no dmg haha

[radiant plank]

yeah suprise thane set is 3% over just not having the tier equipped

vs slayer at a quick 19%

[native wadi]

Check so

SP

[fading sky]

Slayer pressing sd is god tier

[earnest canyon]

Do you still have to track stacks?

[native wadi]

You get a ton of them

Sometimes I had perma 2 stacks

Hopefully it will be enough

Wasnt fully paying attention in ptr as i was more focused on not shitting myself with the bosses

[frosty lagoon]

Finally Rank 1

[heavy nacelle]

I never understood what "all star points" even are :p

[clever path]

Its like points you get when you kill a boss

Idk

[pallid hull]

wp

[clever belfry]

you get allstar points per boss (unless the boss is excluded, like stix) depending on how much damage you did to the boss in relation to the 100% parse at the time of the lock in

the formula for this is
120 * <your dps> / <100% dps>
why 120? I dont know man

and the overall allstar rank just adds all of those numbers together and ranks you based on that

[heavy nacelle]

ah got it

[unreal onyx]

All star is the whole season and each boss are individual games

[oblique pond]

They had their tier sets nerfed

[outer cedar]

Season 3 PTR fury is good? or bad??

[radiant plank]

Very amazing

[high echo]

Really?

[south kayak]

Wasn’t in the notes

[radiant plank]

Certainly

[high echo]

Numbers are good? Sick

The set bonus for slayer really did look like it elevate the spec

[desert storm]

any ptr fury build ?

[radiant plank]

same as live

[dense elbow]

sick

[lavish pecan]

They haven't done tuning yet, numbers are pretty meaningless

That's why boomkins are doing a hojillion dps

[high echo]

true

[neat dew]

Some owls do more damage then brute force warriors? Absurd

[dense elbow]

Whoo?

[warm crag]

Cluegi

[warped drum]

Hey, long time listener, first time caller. What did Blizzard do to kill fury's AOE? I'm debating playing either Arms or Fury since blizzard is killing Unholy.

[radiant plank]

There was nothing to kill anymore after season 1

[warped drum]

Right, but did they hard target cap the spec?

[radiant plank]

it has always been hard capped

[sand crest]

they nuked our cds and moved the bulk of out dmg into base rotation, and base rotation is hard capped at 5

[radiant plank]

Also holy cope if you think blizz killed unholy

xddddddd

[plush zephyr]

actually lol’d thank you

[proper obsidian]

hey is the 1 button for Fury anygood? i know rets is cracked

[summer quail]

25-35% loss depending on herospec iirc

[proper obsidian]

so 80% of max is quite good

[high echo]

Odyns fury got turbo nerfed, bladestorm got nerfed and capped further iirc, thunderous roar got nerfed like...5 times?

They removed avatar+odyn for the outrageous aoe burst only for other classes to do it way better, uncapped and for a longer period of time

🥴

[charred drum]

is there a tierlist for PTR to have a rough outlines of wich class could be meta next patch ?

[sullen tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/meninggal-mati-mampus-wafat-ekg-gif-10774173

[unborn delta]

ptr damage numbers are pretty useless bc of the amount of tuning they do with the data

but i would expect the usual suspects to still be busted

[radiant plank]

Casters, fdk and enha are strong, rest are ok or weak

[sullen tendon]

all we can do is keep coping until every tuesday up until the patch

every monday well say surely there are changes this week and every tuesday we will be disappointed

[unborn delta]

deva, hunter, warlock prob gonna be busted again

[sand crest]

surely one of these tuesdays, thane set gets buffed right

surely

if not fury itself, at least that dog ahh set

[sullen tendon]

next weeks changes: Protection: reduced overall damage by 2%.

[high echo]

"we're happy with where fury warrior has landed"

lists nerfs

[sand crest]

thane set is only a 3% increase? better buff flameshaper

[earnest canyon]

hunter just ate a slew of nerfs, at least dark ranger did

[quiet geyser]

Its crazy that it's not just specific specs, but "casters" as a whole

[warped drum]

Thanks! That helps

[high echo]

Play what you like regardless, it's gotten better

[iron portal]

But hey man , now you caan get mounts with more likely %

[plush zephyr]

Gonna be hard not to main bm next season with a fucking zoo of animals

[earnest canyon]

yeah they finally found a use for stampede....aaaaand....nerfed it 😛

[marble pilot]

Dealing with pets is annoying af. Im still looking at dev is warrior still looks bad. Probably stay warrior anyway cause thats what we do. But maybe

Cause this is pretty cool to see. I know it wont always line up that way. But common 7 lasers. That all proc things

[fading sky]

Facts

[modest condor]

better nerf fury

[undone flower]

Im close to pick hunt as second char, but I can’t stand not having tank queue in m+

[marble pilot]

Yeah no tank queue is rough. Healer queue is ok. But I hate it in m+. Weekly timewalking or whatever healer queue is fine though

Also I wont play flameshaper evoker. So if flameshaper is dominante and fury is bad Ill probably still go fury.
But if fury is bad and scalecommander is fine I might swap

I am also hearing prot warrior is doing fine though. So maybe I just tank keys and play fury in raid. I assume fury is still fine in raid

[modest condor]

tbf we havent seen prot warrior in high keys yet

it's looking fine on trash but for all we know it's gonna fall over against +20 tank busters

[final birch]

Still has shield wall

And can call for externals

[modest condor]

but if that's not the keylevel you're playing i think it's gonna be strong

[marble pilot]

Well I wont be doing 20s regardless. Probably 14s at the highest.
Which means I can play anything I want. But still nice to not be the bottom of the pack

[modest condor]

yeah

[marble pilot]

I know it doesnt really matter but sometimes I feel like the 10-14 range has more meta slaves than the 18+ does.

[fervent turtle]

hey, cant try it out for myself at the moment thats why i am asking: does it matter rage wise if my opener starts with Reck followed by charge or charge first and then Reck during the charge?

[last sparrow]

reck before charge to double the rage you get from charge

reversing it just delays rampage

[fervent turtle]

k thx

[viscid mauve]

Quick question about this line in the guide:

If enrage is about to drop, do you still Raging blow x2 and then Rampage after bladestorming, or prioritize enrage uptime over Rampage dmg-amplification?

[winter shoal]

Check line 3 there

You shouldn't be sending un-enraged RBs

But also stacking SS for BF is like 0.2-0.4% dps gain, really not something to lose sleep over

[viscid mauve]

Got it, is there any condition in which you'd be willing to drop enrage uptime?

[marble pilot]

Boss left melee and you cant get to it

Or the very rare occasion of you whirlwind/tclap before rampage so that rampage hits everything. But thats generally only on the first gcd of a new pack

[radiant plank]

check line 3 there

[winter shoal]

Technically execute conditionals are generally above refreshing enrage but that's also almost no difference and not worth worrying about

#fury message

[viscid mauve]

ight, appreciate the info folks

[smoky vale]

@final birch king pauck the terrible

[dapper goblet]

@smoky vale

[smoky vale]

@hallow sphinx

[sullen dove]

baze for muted

[dapper goblet]

give him a year

[clever path]

i will xcome to florida and pay you a visit

xcom

enemy unknown

[smoky vale]

@ebon junco

[flat river]

Helloooo NA

@smoky vale u are NA right?

[dense elbow]

Why do you ask yourself questions? You know that is your NA counterpart.

[flat river]

Wdym NA counterpart

You do know i am also an American citizen right

[dense elbow]

Gala57 strikes again

[flat river]

I just landed in cali

Was askin so i can meet my twin

[dense elbow]

Look into a mirror

🪞

[flat river]

I see a beautiful warrior

[dense elbow]

indeed it is

[flat river]

A beautiful un-buffed warrior

[smoky vale]

im across the country bud

[final birch]

why are you using that word

[final birch]

W gear??

i need to change my neck

but cant drop it

[smoky vale]

what other neck would you want

oh

vhd

lol

[radiant plank]

playing on -1 graphics

[smoky vale]

the rik one

[hardy bluff]

boe one is good too i think

[chilly fractal]

Crafted for Haste Vers

Oh

Vdh

lol

[undone flower]

Yeah the crafted haste vers is a nice one but for war

[summer quail]

Haste vers kinda owns for warrior as well. Simmed highest for me for a long time

[undone flower]

It is still my bis neck / for my gear, I’ll keep it until next season

[summer quail]

Think my Cape is haste vets

Vers

[glass kelp]

is it okay if i macro reck with avatar?

[junior gale]

its fine as long as you still have reck on a keybind of its own

[dense elbow]

God I hope the tuning range remains the same, and the new tierset for Slayer makes bladestorm do 50% and reap do 50% more overall dam

Then I get to be just a bit behind others, not by leagues

[thick fossil]

That sounds like some heavy copium.

[fading sky]

Did u c other classes?

[thick fossil]

At least you're not clueless like a ton on the official forums. They seem to be one weird day away from going after Archi for the state of warrior.

[dense elbow]

What does Archi got to do with anything about Fury tuning

[thick fossil]

No idea, but that's the leap they made. Lol

[dense elbow]

Well, would make sense if he was, with how OF is gutted damage wise - and he fine with that

[fading sky]

?-? Didnt they read his article

[thick fossil]

Calling him a "yes man" and not pulling strings with devs.
I was like, dude he writes guides, not tell the devs what to do.

[dense elbow]

If they listened to Archi, a lot of weird shit wouldnt be in here. Overall it would prob be better.

Just things would happen I dont personally enjoy on top :v

I take the good with the bad

[thick fossil]

When I get home I'll link the post. It was silly enough that I laughed, but then I paused and realized they're most.likely being serious.

[fading sky]

🤣

[dense elbow]

Aight, now I am curious, link the post

[fading sky]

Archie is pointing out issues and trying to get em to tune slightly

[thick fossil]

Picking up pizza. Give.me 20.mins

[dense elbow]

20min, I am guchi, it will be long forgotten and in the past

[fading sky]

I mean ofc all of us want like all the.abilities no downside

[thick fossil]

Yeah, but Archi doesn't have power to tell the devs do a, b or c. He writes guides, theory craft etc.

[dense elbow]

Well, he got the contacts so he can tell them a, b and c. What they do with that information is a whole other matter :v

[fading sky]

Tbh i feel like his articles, are pretty good. And his thoughts on changes are as well

[thick fossil]

Yeah, not like he's their boss .

[fading sky]

I dont agree with all

[dense elbow]

Imagine Archi as warrior dev Then I could shake my fist in anger at him

Imagine the drama in here

Content for weeks and months

[fading sky]

Id wish

[buoyant salmon]

UR BALD

[fading sky]

They should hire him

[buoyant salmon]

caps

[dense elbow]

Hire him, so they can pay to ignore him?

[fading sky]

Yup

At least he would paid

[dense elbow]

I am sure Archi is well enough off as it is But sure, free money would be free

[thick fossil]

lol, true. Anyways, here is the link.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/season-3-warrior-looks-very-rough/2124630/28

[dense elbow]

Damn that Archi guy, for not doing 'enough', things he do withstanding

[fading sky]

Fackin archie

[thick fossil]

[dense elbow]

If he was here, he would agree

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-ok-gif-2466171479878054943

I expect the thane tier to get buffed in some way but I doubt we see any meaningful change outside of that

[thick fossil]

Which is a shame, they could easily tweak a couple things to really give us a fighting chance in M+

[dense elbow]

I see they know about the truth about you as well

[fading sky]

They could for sure. But it cant be thay rough?

[thick fossil]

That was actually targeted at Grail, but yeah weird.

[dense elbow]

Nah nah, that is on you

[thick fossil]

Cause I've been very vocal of my disproval of this shit.

[dense elbow]

You sell their trash

[fading sky]

Coz slayer fury fucks

[dense elbow]

you trash you

[thick fossil]

One may even call me a doomer.

[dense elbow]

Doomers united!

[edgy widget]

Because unhappy people act like if you’re not constantly bemoaning and demonizing everything, that you’re a shill

[fading sky]

Its the yes man guys!!

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-funny-reaction-meme-stan-twt-horse-gif-2791469803182064015

[dense elbow]

The puppetmaster

[fading sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761040892970139649.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[edgy widget]

The reality is that those commenting really don’t have any understanding or insight into the process, they’re just looking for a target to blame their displeasure on

And since the majority of the devs are (understandably) nameless figures to them, those unhappy players choose to go after the people they do know

[sudden tusk]

Balance wise the game has done well for a while. The play style just leaves something to be desired

[fading sky]

I mean m+ is rough on fury

Ngl

[thick fossil]

I guess, but it's still some wild mental gymnastics to go from "he writes guides and stuff," to "He should be blasting the devs with orders and save a puppy, while topping dps for RWF," or what not. It's pretty silly.

[fading sky]

Raid balance is pretty decent

[sudden tusk]

God I can't imagine if you put a name attached to game balance. That dude would get mauled online for nothing

[edgy widget]

There’s also a lot of players who are just perpetually unhappy unless their chosen thing is better than everything else, which is simply not realistic

[fading sky]

Revvez would

[edgy widget]

Sure, no disagreement

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/arrested-development-dozens-of-us-david-cross-speech-gif-3545958

[thick fossil]

[fading sky]

I just found it funny u just wrote an essay, bout how much help fury needs in m+

What more can u do

[dense elbow]

I am sure blizz read the TLDR version from their BlizzBot

[thick fossil]

Solve world peace I suppose?

[edgy widget]

Reality is that while I do have influence, as someone pointed out earlier, that does not result in a guarantee that my suggestions will happen

• For one, Blizz’s goals and mine aren’t necessarily the same
• for another, the ideas may not necessarily be balanced or feasible for a reason I might have overlooked
• finally, there are practical work-flow issues that I’m not privy to either

[fading sky]

Tbh archie call the hq at blizzard and fix all!!

I expect that

[dense elbow]

If we all chip in 1 dollar, Archi will have more echonomical power to push our agenda open your wallets lads

[fading sky]

Facts

[thick fossil]

[sudden tusk]

The A in Archim stands for blizzard CEO after all

[radiant plank]

if Archi had any relevant influence we would all be playing Legion warrior

[sudden tusk]

I bet he mains ret paladin

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-take-drink-laugh-funny-thats-gif-11859512

[fading sky]

Secret ret main ye

[radiant plank]

Parchimtiros rising

[edgy widget]

I’ve had a lot of ideas implemented, but giving feedback isn’t really about telling them what to do; a lot of times it’s about telling them how things feel or just helping identify problem areas, and then letting them decide how best to address it

[thick fossil]

Man, that's hitting below the belt.

[sudden tusk]

Kinda like a community manager type deal

[remote bobcat]

you say that but people dont get that, they think you're an almighty problem solver hidden warrior dev connection that is responsible for every fault

[lean bluff]

I think they tend to do balancing in alphabetical order and since warrior is very low they tend to get cut due to time constraints that's why DK, Mage, or Priest get a rework every other patch, but dps warrior hasn't been updated since the dinosaurs

[marble pilot]

You guys think the s3 tier sets are just attempts and midnights row of hero talents.

[fading sky]

I mean fury plays very well

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-fox-tongue-out-silly-gif-14520719

[fading sky]

Its fast and fun in raid st least to me?

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-pizza-hungry-cute-craving-gif-13783341

[jolly marten]

still we are talking like devs are like justice warriors or something, they are employees in a company that needs to make profit.. we shouldnt forgot this

[edgy widget]

Good example: early DF alpha, they had Signet of Tormented Kings as a talent

• I gave a lot of feedback about how it was a bad idea because of how the rng on the procs work
• I gave them a few suggestions, which helped influence their changes, but they did it in a way that I never even suggested (splitting into two talents instead of one)

[jolly marten]

for better or for worse

[sudden tusk]

Raid balance has been very good for a long time. Takes a little to get there but it's very good after a patch or two

[thick fossil]

The game play for Fury is fine, it's the numbers that feel bad. Sucks that the target cap and simply not able to do the amount of dps that damn near every other class can do is just sad.

[edgy widget]

Less manger and more contact, but yeah kinda

[oblique thistle]

Raid has been fine for a while sure, but I want to be able to contribute more in an M+ enviroment more than anything

[marble pilot]

Ive had fun as fury in raid. And for solo stuff like the 8 masks and delve ?? bosses. But it does feel bad in m+ sometimes.

[lean bluff]

Bug report on PTR every time a tank pulls more than 5 targets and then bug report whenever a class with 8+ target cap does more damage than you on the =<5 target pulls

[edgy widget]

It’s also key to remember that there are a lot of players in this game and most of them rarely agree with one another

[jolly marten]

i think in the current state we can all agree that fury sucks in m+ 😄

[oblique thistle]

^

[jolly marten]

and in raid its fine.. fine like when you ask your gf how was it and she replies it was fine

[fading sky]

I mean slayer is fun to play in keys

[marble pilot]

I think they have to be aware of how it feels in m+ though. I still have some hope of changes for season 3

[dense elbow]

Sucks, hm, fair. I can agree with that, under the condition the handicap being Fury in keys ruins the fun from the experience
Gameplay is good

[marble pilot]

Yeah its fun to play. It sucks to do better dps on my alts with 20 ilvl less just cause of target caps though

[oblique thistle]

At this point I dont think anyone reasonably is asking for a lot when it comes to changes in M+ for Fury going in to season 3 because asking for a lot is just unrealistic when the effort went into other classes

But we do need help

[sudden tusk]

Only thing I've really disagreed with was the dismantling of our AOE. Our consistent AOE never recovered and the new teir sets don't solve it either

[dense elbow]

Nothing another 120% WW buff cant fix it is getting there

[marble pilot]

Yeah they dont have to do much. There are like 5 different things they could do to bandaid us.

Probably more than that but we talk about the same ones over and over

[thick fossil]

The nerfs we took in S1 was way overboard.

[fading sky]

Bring back sl fury

[sudden tusk]

Anymore from you and I'll make them nerf OF another 15% @dense elbow

[fading sky]

Spam ww 🤣

[jolly marten]

bro funnily enough ive tested some slayer fury warrior in ptr and WW hits hard 😄 but still its garbage

[dense elbow]

whiii u do me like that

[oblique thistle]

I mean clearly the developers thought that the raid design AND Fury's season 1 aoe profile were both bad and they gutted both. Its left our CDs feeling like shit, and after what happened in season 1 I can understand why they would be hesitent to give us anything back

[olive wraith]

Low key ww actually does something now 🤣

[dense elbow]

yep

[sudden tusk]

They need to change seismic to actually copy all hits

Instead of just 1

[olive wraith]

Ww is only soft capped correct?

[sudden tusk]

Ya

Same with tclap and cleave

[dense elbow]

Before I jump into a key: I say buff OF 60%

[oblique thistle]

I literally do not see the harm in soft capping improved whirlwind beyond 5 targets at this point

[olive wraith]

Imagine a button to apply meat cleaver does more than an aoe talent

[oblique thistle]

At what point do we finally say that we can't hit the mark on the hard target cap damage for fury

and just give them something more

[jolly marten]

or or or listen.. we buff mages

[olive wraith]

target cap on meat cleaver isn’t the issue

We just don’t have great aoe abilities

[fading sky]

Make it higher % + buff roar and of

[oblique thistle]

So give us soft target cap on meat cleaver then

Because if you make our cds too strong you get season 1 Fury

[fading sky]

Nah

[oblique thistle]

and if you make them too weak you get where we are now

[undone flower]

Exactly if bs or roar do damage, it is fine

[olive wraith]

Nah just buff our aoe buttons

[jolly marten]

its no secret that they have favorite specs-classes guys.. and it think it has to do with what their customers play... they seem a lot eager to put dev time on mages for example instead of other classes

[fading sky]

Season 1 fury was not that op

[oblique thistle]

Devs clearly disagreed

[fading sky]

Like dev does what we did

Better.now

[undone flower]

Yes because we had the worst ST of the tier

Below aug on sikran

[oblique thistle]

Devs didn't care, our aoe got gutted

They didn't think it was healthy for us

[young swan]

its definitely an issue

[oblique thistle]

so meat cleaver soft target cap is the comprimise

[fading sky]

Dno man

U could buff of and roar

[young swan]

I can think of exactly 1 time where the hard cap on meatcleaver didnt actively hamstring us

[fading sky]

Issue with of in w1 was avatar

[young swan]

and that was s3 bfa

[fading sky]

And raid timees

[oblique thistle]

And then any time grouped up adds spawn in a raid fight we instantly blow them up again, from the dev's perspective

[jolly marten]

imagine if a mage was in the place of fury warrior in s1.. a 3% nerf and we are good to go

[oblique thistle]

doesn't matter if the adds weren't important

[olive wraith]

Idk if BS, of, roar actually did competent aoe damage i think we’d be fine

[fading sky]

U do know that 1 of + 1 roar wouldnt blow em up

[oblique thistle]

OF + roar is what he was talking about

[fading sky]

It was of+ avatar = 2 ofs into bladestorm

[oblique thistle]

Yes I know I played season 1 too lol

[fading sky]

We lost the avatar to of

[jolly marten]

to a talent that is terrible

balance aside

[fading sky]

So with.an of buff we wont blow em yp

[jolly marten]

terrible idea, just terrible, literally nothing

[fading sky]

I mean

[oblique thistle]

I mean with how they're designing raids right now there seems to be a lot more split add cleave anyways that wouldn't favor us even if we still had all of that power from season 1

but that's not how the devs view fury warrior it seems

as evident by their changes

if they want the majority of our damage to come from core rotation, sustained damage, then meat cleaver soft target cap is the solution

[fading sky]

But they are hard set on t

5

[jolly marten]

ive tested some slayer fury in raid ptr.. its decent in st but totally botttom tier in aoe cleave fights.. Bladestorm felt like doing negative dmg, ive thrown 2 bladestorms in adds and i wasnt able to catch any other dps

[fading sky]

Procc reap

[oblique thistle]

idk this is why I said the other day that I think we should have an aoe rage spender because when it comes to balance we just can't seem to get it right, but that's something that would come in a larger rework

meat cleaver soft cap is a bandaid fix and I get that they're hard set on 5 targets but its clearly not working, every fury warrior is moaning about M+ right now

and they're terrified of touching our cds

[dense elbow]

I dont think we need divine storm. If I wanted to play ret gameplay, I would play ret.

[fading sky]

I mean push 10% more on meat cleaver

[fading sky]

Or arms

[jolly marten]

guys its not all about the capp.. Arcane is pretty capped but still was meta in s2

[dense elbow]

Arcane is a funnel spec

[oblique thistle]

Because of its funnel

[fading sky]

Also soft cap meat cleaver + reap would be insane

[jolly marten]

whatever, funnel, single target dmg

[marble pilot]

I wouldnt hate having funnel. Some of our talents want us to stay on one target anyway

[dense elbow]

Two very different things, Pande

[jolly marten]

you have to have a role, a niche. thats the point

[fading sky]

Funnel means more st when more targets

[oblique thistle]

our niche is dumb and makes no sense imo

[dense elbow]

We got a niche?

[oblique thistle]

assuming we were even good at it

[fading sky]

5 target cleave

[dense elbow]

That isnt our niche tho, everyone does dam to 5t, just more than us

[jolly marten]

our niche doesnt exist actually

[jolly marten]

ww monk does it way better

[fading sky]

Only we dont do it well atm

[marble pilot]

I mean we have a niche but we lose even when in that niche.
If they want us to be the kings of 5 target then we need to actually win when its 5 targets

[fading sky]

Nah we dont

[dense elbow]

Our niches are:
"burst" AoE damage
and 5t high dam on prio target cleave

[fading sky]

But we need to be good

[dense elbow]

We dont do either well

[jolly marten]

our niche in s1 was upfront burst

[marble pilot]

I think the only thing we have is our aoe comes out quick. But thats mostly for raids

[jolly marten]

and that we lose little dmg when we change to aoe talents

[dense elbow]

Not that much to gain or lose

Still, it is fair to say having our dam remain the same is a 'strenght', when tuning is in our favor

[jolly marten]

if you can name them as niche.. just some characteristics in my opinion.. not niche since we dont excel in neither of those

[fading sky]

Jack of all trades

[dense elbow]

We got wrecking throw

[fading sky]

Is fury

[dense elbow]

We are shieldbreakers

[oblique thistle]

No thats ret

ret is jack of all trades

[jolly marten]

and rallyning cry

...

[fading sky]

Nah rets dmg profile is aoe🤣

[oblique thistle]

Ret is quite literally solid at everything

[fading sky]

Or st. In raid id say current fury is pretty flexible

[edgy widget]

That’s balance for you

[oblique thistle]

they're the poster child of jack of all trades

[candid falcon]

fury's niche is a Dev team that wants us to blow up

[dense elbow]

Fury's niche:
Could be in a decent spot, but devs dont want that.

We closing in on finding it

[jolly marten]

furys niche: a dev thats not so passionate about the spec

[fading sky]

I guess what ppl rly want is

Us to be the outlier spec

In a good way

🤣

Not like now

[oblique thistle]

I dont want to be meta

Ever

period

I saw what that did to this spec in season 1

[dense elbow]

The team do have some very passionate Fury Warrior aligned devs tho it aint all bad

Sadly not all voices are equal, especially in group projects

[oblique thistle]

But I would like to at least feel useful in M+

that's all I want

[fading sky]

I mean up to a certain key lvl u are

After that get wrecked

[jolly marten]

if you watched all the changes MW monk had since DF you will undestand how it is to have a passionate dev behind a spec

[fading sky]

🤣

[dense elbow]

Think what ppl say when feel useful, isnt the ability to cower the needed DPS gap and be able to complete the key in theory.

I believe it is more the feeling of being a handicap for your team, or worse yet - your friends.

[fading sky]

Solution

[oblique thistle]

Thats how I feel funky

[fading sky]

Play with worse friends

[dense elbow]

Buff BS 30% and OF 60%, aurabuff 5%, and we golden for slayer

[oblique thistle]

If I'm playing fury in a group with my friends I feel like I'm making the key harder on them when I could just be playing prot, or playing my demo lock

[fading sky]

U could tank

Or play arms

[jolly marten]

what happens tho when your worse friends overdmg you for 1million overall cause you know retri should be an easy spec

[oblique thistle]

That's what I did this season

I played prot

[chilly fractal]

You think too deeply about playing a video game

[fading sky]

Arms is mid

[oblique thistle]

and dabbled in fury when they needed dps to fill in

[dense elbow]

Or buy them 20 boosts?

[fading sky]

True

[dense elbow]

I am sure next season we will be in a better spot, and not feel as 'bad about things' as we are now

Stay hopeful

[jolly marten]

it may be true. but wow is a game that demands a lot of investement to be fair.. and its not easy to invest on something only to see it destroyed cause some ppl dont know what they are doing actually and dont listen to feedback

[oblique thistle]

Also its a social game, I like to play with my friends and feel like I'm being a useful teammate when we do activities together

[jolly marten]

s1 warrior was strong, sure, but if they listened to any feedback we gave them we wouldnt be in this place right now

we became a meme.. Nerf warriors

thats how they listen to feedback

[dense elbow]

S1 wasnt that strong in M+, really. We fell behind even then in higher keys at the pre-nerf tuning. We were damned good at AoE burting and softening packs tho. Not to mention addclear on bosses.

[oblique thistle]

Every clip I see of some hunter or boomkin doing crazy damage on PTR top comment is always "this can't continue, nerf fury"

[dense elbow]

The "better nerf fury" meme, still going strong?

nice

[oblique thistle]

first boss of ara-kara 😄

[candid falcon]

saw one about the one button boomkin stuff

[dense elbow]

Not the tettles video by per chance

[candid falcon]

I think it was yea

[jolly marten]

to be fair i belive that they will buff fury warriors.. im sure of it... i also believe that it will be irrelevant buff that will change nothing.. cause they dont want-they cant make meaningfull changes to fury warriors right now.. Lack of motivation? lack of ideas? lack of manpower? dont know

[oblique thistle]

aura buff 2 weeks before patch drops

we're so back

[dense elbow]

If you watch it from a more neutral POV:
Fury is currently doing fine, it is represented in both high end M+ and raid. It can also clear all goal content (Legend and CE) with no issues.

So no balance is needed.

There is a reason it aint high prio at all

[jolly marten]

also just saying they fixed the bug with the sesmic reverberations... so we start this season with a 3%-4% nerf

[dense elbow]

Thats fine, they will retune before launch either way

I wont doom about that before the patch is ready to hit

What I would doom about is how gameplay loop works or not.

[jolly marten]

i will. we were alrdy really behind.. now its extra buff to catch up

[dense elbow]

In my case, I enjoy it. I am just not a big fan of the slayer (4), even if it helps keeping the stack up on ST.

[final birch]

Untrue

I have hair like rapunzel, just not as long

[dense elbow]

U r tho

[chilly fractal]

At least this tier set is a meaningful increase

Even if most of it is in the 2 set

[earnest canyon]

anything can happen....they just took a blunt hatchet to hunter and also hard capped its targets to 8....including BM which was the weaker spec but it had uncapped AoE

[dense elbow]

Big for Fury Warrior for once, this be true.

At least it isnt another tierset where you dont worry if you get it or not

[marble pilot]

Buff fury by nerfing everyone else

[olive wraith]

Honestly not a bad thing

Nerf the uncapped peeps

[jolly marten]

also keep in mind that they stated many times in interviews that dps warriors are happy with

[dense elbow]

#fury message

[olive wraith]

But they’re gonna have to redesign dungeons if all uncapped is nerfed

[marble pilot]

I think a lot of fury are happy gameplay/rotation wise. At least somewhat. Its the numbers in m+ that suck

[olive wraith]

I’m not happy with thane s3

[dense elbow]

What sucks is being 10% behind your friends, if not more. And even your ST is kinda meh

[olive wraith]

Slayer s3 is fun from the little dummy hitting I did

[dense elbow]

you do 3.2m, hunter do 2.8m - ye, that doesnt make up for the 12m AoE gap

[marble pilot]

Well yeah the tier set sucks. Thane still fun to play though. Numbers bad gameplay good

[olive wraith]

Having 2 stacks of TB and not being able to use them sucks

[jolly marten]

if my friends play something Arcane mage i can outdmg them with skill... if they play retri, they gap me with clicking their skills

[dense elbow]

If you gap arcane, that arcane aint allowed to funnel and pulls are not built around him being there

[olive wraith]

This has been said a billion times at this point but s3 tier needs to reset cd on tb

[dense elbow]

Think all the billion times it was mentioned, everyone nodded and agreed

Next week, next week is our week

be ready for hopium refills

[jolly marten]

we said that previous week

[dense elbow]

This week is it

[jolly marten]

and boom demolish dont cancel

we said next season

[dense elbow]

A minor setback, they had to redo the Thane set on the backend. Dont worry

[jolly marten]

boom no cd on battle shout

[dense elbow]

it is comin'

[olive wraith]

Poggers

Hamstring .75 gcd

[dense elbow]

The "AaaaaargAAh!" spam in the cities is funny on the PTR

[olive wraith]

[jolly marten]

alrdy bind it

[lean bluff]

Raging Blow damage increased by 3.5% (Does not apply to PVP combat)

[jolly marten]

maybe this does more dmg than reap the storm

[olive wraith]

Please no rb buffs

[tall raft]

new 4 set: if you have 2 stacks of TB you call a Big lightning and gain avatar damn

[dense elbow]

You forgot two 0's there, Spoiler. 35%, cause we cant risk not pressing RB

[tall raft]

still hope for some buffs D:

[olive wraith]

Passively send TB if overcap would be amazing too

[dense elbow]

Marvin, tierset alone is a buff

[tall raft]

yeah

sure

[jolly marten]

3% to be precise for mountain thane

[tall raft]

i mean the idea is nice

[dense elbow]

Huff copium and base it around current tuning, not relative tuning

[tall raft]

but number wise dogshit

[tall raft]

i mean its something right

[dense elbow]

I do hope they make it so Thane enjoyers get a tierset that feels good tho

Slayer is 80% there with (2) set alone

(fix (4) set blizz)

[tall raft]

i like the slayer t set but just spamming raging blow like shit

i want some gameplay change

just give OF or BS dmg or something else D:

[olive wraith]

Exe spam feels good

[dense elbow]

As the tierset is supposed to boost the Hero Talents, (4) buffing Bladestorm to silly levels would make sense.

[olive wraith]

We’ve been spamming rb for so many patches

[jolly marten]

i wanted to be in the office when they discussed about mountain thanes tier set design... and it will do 40K dmg to 5 targets, and it will have 20% change to proc tclap.. 40K dmg wtf were they thinking? are they even play the game to notice that we have almost 10 million health?

[tall raft]

imagine they change jug like arms would be so big

[jolly marten]

how the actual f they wrote 40K and they thought its ok lets pass it

[tall raft]

ik, would be nice if we get a rework like pala

[olive wraith]

Nah I don’t think we should be as execute focused as arms

[jolly marten]

they could say it heals the mobs and it will still do no difference

[tall raft]

i mean single minded whats that

[chilly fractal]

Isn’t it a calculation?

[olive wraith]

I think it would be better if we got bonus bt damage or something

[chilly fractal]

Not a flat damage number

[olive wraith]

Or it applies slaughtering strikes

[tall raft]

[dense elbow]

Dev A: what do you think about this idea. A tierset that sends lightning going zapzap and grants more thunderblasts going POW!

Dev B: Ah, sounds cool, but what about tuning?

Dev A: lets wait with tuning till after we got it working as intended.

Dev B: ok, sounds good!

[jolly marten]

Dev C: lets put a reasonable number tho, it doesnt have to be like enormous but just something to start with

[tall raft]

we wait

[dense elbow]

Now you wait, till they made it work

[chilly fractal]

Bold to assume it was any more than 1-2 people

[tall raft]

i mean they got some time left right

[dense elbow]

Can save 50% if they cut another Dev btw

[jolly marten]

[dense elbow]

33% for the 3rd dev, 50% for the 2nd dev. 100% if they cut the last dev

Hm, maybe the last dev can work part time

10%

That kinda makes sense tho, the warrior dev is a part timer with a 1 hour a month schedual.

Makes too much sense

[jolly marten]

the logic dictates that you need close to the middle if you want to balance something, if you are in one side it will be harder to add more and more weight to balance it eventually

[dense elbow]

If you just have the scale topple over, you solved the issue. A broken scale is something you can ignore.

No fix needed

[tall raft]

t set that gives the chance for just the normal lighting proc a chance to cast 2-3 more lightings would be nice as well. i rly love mountain thane i want more lightning

[dense elbow]

Why make it a chance to repeat casts, why not just cast it 1-3 more times

No need for RNG for RNG sake

[tall raft]

thats true

but maybe just a lil bit of rng

so we wont get nerfed again

i wanna play OF again

rly like to press it

[dense elbow]

Just play it

[chilly fractal]

Just get out to Irvine California and seduce Ion until he forces the rest of the team to make Warrior better

[dense elbow]

Noone is stopping you

As if Ion got a say

[chilly fractal]

You may have to break up a happy home

[tall raft]

yeah sometimes i play it, but i play slayer rly

[dense elbow]

Seduce Satya Nadella

[chilly fractal]

You may have to seduce others

[tall raft]

i changed to arms right now but fury is still love

arms is i mean its fun big numbers but yeah

slow, clunky sometimes

[jolly marten]

arms is still alive while we expect prots nerfs

if nerfs wont come say bye bye to arms too

[tall raft]

the colo t set is rly nice

but i wanna play mountain again

we still have some time soooo maybe we get big buffs and changes right

[jolly marten]

like we always do right

[tall raft]

yeah

[jolly marten]

if they showed us something so far its that they want to make big buffs and changes to fury warriors.. the 120% buff to WW proves it

[tall raft]

now TB buff

and more lightning for mountain

[jolly marten]

https://chatgpt.com/share/686841c7-b0c8-8008-85ff-1ccb5ef9ff4b

[dense elbow]

Please no

[jolly marten]

our lord and savior AI has answered

[olive wraith]

Man ai balancing is so snooze

[jolly marten]

Yes, it is technically possible to buff Fury Warriors in Season 3 (S3) of World of Warcraft: Dragonflight—but whether Blizzard will do so depends on several factors:

we did get some buffs in s3 DF tho

Yes, it's possible to buff Fury Warriors in Season 3—especially if they're statistically underperforming and there's strong community/data-driven pressure. Whether they will be buffed depends on the overall class balance landscape and Blizzard’s internal tuning schedule.

Would you like an up-to-date look at how Fury is performing in S3 right now? I can check current logs or tuning changes.

[chilly fractal]

Yea ChatGPT is looking at S3 DF

[tall raft]

AI told us, so we believe

just give us fury ai dev

i mean if we get buffed and we destroy hc raid rip

[earnest canyon]

dont trust AI:

[tall raft]

[slim coral]

Don't worry guys @maiden copper said he's gonna be vocal for us on twitter soon 🙏

[tall raft]

[iron portal]

Trust your mom

[quiet breach]

so I was looking at the amount of guilds that got CE in previous tiers, tends to be like around 1-2k per tier. but there was one tier where 7.6k guilds got it :zoompeepo: it was jaina proudmoore final boss. what happened that tier?

[sullen dove]

Are you sure you’re looking at CE or just any mythic kills other boss

Cuz that boss got giga farmed for mounts in the last patch

If ur lookin at like total rio kills up to today or something idk

Maybe there was just that many ce idk was baby back then

[narrow fossil]

In ptr which hero talents is better for m+? Thane or Slaughter?

[sullen dove]

slayer

[narrow fossil]

by big %?

with odyns fury?

[sullen dove]

Eh not as sure about that I think odyns is fine to use

Like thane is currently better than slayer on live but the slayer tier set is just so much stronger than the thane tierset

In ptr

[sullen tendon]

Odyns fury is boring

Odyns fury + Maldraxxus banner is awesome

[sullen dove]

so they’re probably “similar” enough on ptr but slayer is def way more single target damage and I’d imagine not much less aoe

[narrow fossil]

What does maldraxus banner dont remember from SL

[sullen tendon]

Odyns fury + mal banner + skull banner + battle cry + lightning infused mountain thane bladestorm with the vfx from thunder fury

[sullen tendon]

Big strength buff

[quiet breach]

went to wowprogress.com and looked at this

so is there not 1655 CEs?

in current tier so far

[narrow fossil]

[low folio]

so does this disc belt stay on during season 3 or does it just give a little boost until you get a decent belt in season 3

[sullen tendon]

Maldraxxus banner allowed you to melt people insanely fast in pvp in sl