Nah i mostly count playtime. But maybe thats because play time is my limiting factor. And I wont give up other things to increase playtime. So I am casual. Doesnt mean I dont work to improve whenever I can though
#fury
marble pilot
oblique thistle
A lot of people base casual vs hardcore on the difficulty level of the content you're doing
But if you base it off time then yeah the guy who logs on 40+ hours a week and do pet battles is hardcore
coarse nest
Wow raiding is only difficult because you have to coordinate 20 people to play perfectly at the same time
undone flower
A lot of people base casual vs hardcore on the difficulty level of the content y...
I wouldn’t say a number of hours but a % of your free time
earnest canyon
Back in WoD/legion we would take 2 weeks off work/school and usually get through most of the raid, but looking back we werent that good, we just raided a lot....then it was 2 days a week to do the last few bosses.....
Nowadays I clear HC with guild casually and much prefer that
marble pilot
Yeah. Thats why I dropped out of mythic. I cant promise 100% attendance for 6-12 weeks straight. While also doing all the non raiding chores that push ilvl
earnest canyon
different guild
marble pilot
But I can make 3 hours once a week with some laid back m+ on the weekend nights.
gleaming siren
Back in WoD/legion we would take 2 weeks off work/school and usually get through...
you did.. what
dense elbow
I just think its silly to start the discussion with the viewpoint of:
- If anyone sees something as hardcore, it is hardcore.
Making the term pointless. If you set the standard against what effort others put in and their performance, at least you got something to base your statement on.
earnest canyon
you did.. what
🤷 its just what we did
marble pilot
Unless someone was paying me to play I wouldnt ever take time off.
earnest canyon
Unless someone was paying me to play I wouldnt ever take time off.
are u in NA
undone flower
But I can make 3 hours once a week with some laid back m+ on the weekend nights.
But to me, a guild that raids 3 hours per week, with roster spreadsheets, full performance based recruitment, loot council, as tryhard
Vault requirements
coarse nest
I mean liquid max will tell you anyone who isn’t prepping 18 characters to compete in the race to world first is more casual and “on a completely different level”
golden hare
I think if you try hard you're a tryhard
earnest canyon
I think if you try hard you're a tryhard
I try the bare minimum and hope I get carried
undone flower
Liquid is professional, it is a step above tryhard
dense elbow
Why you did the distinction:
casual, hardcore and pro
marble pilot
But to me, a guild that raids 3 hours per week, with roster spreadsheets, full p...
Thats fair. Though the team im on isnt doing all that. Just some of it lol
limber oar
Why is this conversation about tryhard vs casual even important, just play the game how you want, with whi you want, for as long as you can/want.
coarse nest
This whole casual/tryhard debate is endless really, it’s all a matter of perspective which was mentioned earlier iirc
dense elbow
Why is this conversation about tryhard vs casual even important, just play the g...
it isnt, but... we are BORED
marble pilot
Cause no ptr updates so we gotta talk about something. ANd target caps isnt cutting it today
limber oar
it isnt, but... we are BORED
Honestly, fair. PTR patch waiting room conversation i suppose
undone flower
Next ptr update gonna be MASSIVE for us
dense elbow
Yep, we can only doom for this much
marble pilot
Honestly im stalling at work. I should get some chores done soon though lol
chilly fractal
it isnt, but... we are BORED
If I didn’t have work I’d be online farming mounts and leveling more alts to farm more mounts
earnest canyon
Cause no ptr updates so we gotta talk about something. ANd target caps isnt cutt...
We should talk about philosophical ennui
oblique thistle
We're all on copium waiting for a nice change lol
limber oar
We gotta have a group prayer sesh
marble pilot
We should talk about philosophical ennui
I know most of those words
coarse nest
Tried for mimron and gmod
undone flower
Why you did the distinction:
casual, hardcore and pro
I do different distinctions for guilds and players
coarse nest
Damn game said nope
bitter palm
I mean liquid max will tell you anyone who isn’t prepping 18 characters to compe...
and he is correct. liquid echo method are on a whole another level
coarse nest
and he is correct. liquid echo method are on a whole another level
Ye the point was perspective
marble pilot
Yeah if you are being paid to play the game then you are not on the same level at all.
I would have no problems pushing 8+ hours a day all week if I was getting paid to do it
dense elbow
I do different distinctions for guilds and players
I dont, ya either it or you trash. No cuddly perspectives will change that fact. You got trash in all flavours and forms, but it is still all trash.
marble pilot
I know raid release week or 3 isnt 8 hours a day. But in the offseason.
echo rapids
But to me, a guild that raids 3 hours per week, with roster spreadsheets, full p...
Anyone who puts in more effort or does more damage than me is a try hard, anyone who puts in less effort or does less damage is a filthy causal noob
dense elbow
Anyone that does worse than me, no matter their effort, is 100% a shitter and should rethink even playing the game - as they are just that bad.
undone flower
Anyone who puts in more effort or does more damage than me is a try hard, anyone...
Kinda, that’s why I do different distinctions players/guild, bc you can have casual raiders in your tryhard guild or opposite
80% guild drama
dense elbow
Guild Drama 
echo rapids
Kinda, that’s why I do different distinctions players/guild, bc you can have cas...
My point was that casual
And try hard are meaningless terms
undone flower
Yes they are abstracts that doesn’t really exist
Boxes for ppl, like political shit, doesn’t exist but creating them make it real in some sense, like orks in warhammer
sour frigate
narrow narwhal
WAAAHHHH
echo rapids
I think probably goals are the best way to think about categories of Raid groups
undone flower
Yes, I said intent, but goal can be the same feel, I guess
echo rapids
RWF, HoF, CE. Mythic, AOTC
Drama comes about when people skill and effort doesn’t match the team goals
chilly fractal
Ive gotten 6 mounts so far I think. Been a good buff.
I got a lot I really wanted, N’Zoth, Antorus dog, Stratholme, Vortex Pinnacle, 12-B, GMOD
Jailer mount is the one I want the most
undone flower
the step CE-Mythic, is why I say "doing half 2 things", bc i know it can be painful for them, 5 big boom for everyone in this
warm crag
Idk maybe why not
echo rapids
the step CE-Mythic, is why I say "doing half 2 things", bc i know it can be pain...
I think mythic but not quite CE is a tough spot
gleaming siren
Idk maybe why not
Wait you're participating?
undone flower
I think mythic but not quite CE is a tough spot
the toughest is ovinax walled guilds yes
to be very precise to what kind of "mythic but not quite CE"
in this tier it would be stix or sprocket i guess
echo rapids
to be very precise to what kind of "mythic but not quite CE"
We are a 1 night guild on OAB. Is what it is
undone flower
We are a 1 night guild on OAB. Is what it is
i mostly hang out in some 2 night guilds, i have no clue about 1 night, it is already hard to do the brain switch "i raid 50% more than 2 days"
bc like my first thought, 1 night and you are on OAB = you are an insane guild
warm crag
Wait you're participating?
Wed ye its raid day
gleaming siren
holy moly
echo rapids
bc like my first thought, 1 night and you are on OAB = you are an insane guild
Insane in what way?
undone flower
Insane in what way?
good way
sullen dove
I think if you try hard you're a tryhard
balls
young swan
build today surely
gleaming siren
ayo
clever belfry
build today surely
warrior removed 👍 👍 👍
young swan
woooo
winter shoal
clever belfry
we have done it
dense elbow
chilly fractal
Wait if Warrior is removed
You just play as a classless NPC
gleaming siren
Adventurer
chilly fractal
You run a HOA when housing comes out
chilly fractal
And everyone hates you but you can charge people fees
And if they don’t dispute them it’s infinite money
oblique trail
league of legends
Evil
sour frigate
sour frigate
summer quail
ranked = bad
ranked fun if playing support. tho i haven't played since they added vanguard
used to be a bard/blitz only player, i was just running around annoying people
dapper goblet
Xan is a rammus one trick and builds steraks gage
unborn delta
Warrior players are garen mains
young swan
Xan is a rammus one trick and builds steraks gage
not my fault i randomed him twice
level 2 btw
no flash
playing with emerald players
dapper goblet
fleet pasture
yikers
sour elbow
woof.. that's a nice change but that's it?
Surely that's because we're getting a bigger rework
coarse nest
so pretty much always land the debuff
red berry
god fucking damniit man lmao
slim coral
I'm logging on i'll let you know if any changes not written
fickle stirrup
It might as well have ended with Warlock lmfao
young swan
lol
north geyser
more dmg though so unholy gonna scale better up to 8 enemies looks like
slim coral
I'm logged on nothing noticeable
brisk talon
With how strong most of the tier set bonuses are (outside of thane), no change is good
marble pilot
WTF are those notes
red berry
our AoE still sucks. and comparably so far to other classes (granted early tuning) we're looking rough otherwise, too
glad coyote
so unholy dk is target capped now?????
red berry
just sores i think
slim coral
Sac of terror on vendor now tho
red berry
whiich granted is a big part of their damage i think
brisk talon
Still lots of tuning and testing to go
heavy galleon
again nothing for fury...
glad coyote
again nothing for fury...
its prefect why touch it lol
young swan
its prefect why touch it lol
perfect btw
heavy galleon
perfectly shit
frank dawn
wer fuck dps warrior patch notes
marble pilot
#fury message
I was right lol
glad coyote
perfectly shit
fat finger on phone
north geyser
so unholy dk is target capped now?????
Epidemic and dots ofc are still uncapped, bursting sores capped to 8 but damage increased
hushed gust
I mean- it’s a step in a direction at least
They acknowledge finally that unholy’s sores are kinda bullshit.
slim coral
its prefect why touch it lol
perfect for who
radiant plank
perfect for who
the average fury guy
brave kestrel
are the tier set sim compare to current or "no tier set" ?
vague sierra
Raid is fine, it can't be complained about reasonably, imo. M+ experience needs to be improved this season like this current season is a fucking joke...
slim coral
anyone gonna test dungeon changes
marble pilot
6 ish weeks till season 3 launch. Means we have what 4 at the most to get changes? Not looking too great so far. Nothing said at all
slim coral
*anyways gonna test dungeon changes
vague sierra
Ya, the other devs will get to us last since we don't have one obv.
heavy galleon
I remember BFA when guide speak about fury on M+ on cons "cap target is terrible", still true 10 years after
marble pilot
Also bringing dk down to 8 targets makes me think that target caps are not going away any time soon. Maybe they bring everyone up to 8. But I doubt it
sage ridge
Even if Fury somehow ends up being strong they will just shit on it till it sucks again
vague sierra
5 would be ok if we weren't kinda mediocre in 5target. If we had 5 target like marksman we'd be ok. And, you know, if we had any utility to bring to the table.
red berry
arms tier is super good anyway
lean heart
we dont have a dev or what 😭
strange gulch
Are Fury Developers sleeping or something?
formal ravine
Developers?
echo rapids
LOL nothing at all
strange gulch
Developers?
Oh right, there is nobody. 🙂
jolly marten
You can still miss targets that are quickly pulled out of range, but the attack itself will no longer cancel, making it much more reliable in group combat.
fury is saved
mountain thane is still a garbage tier set
when we are allowed to doom?
another patch notes full of mages tho
echo rapids
when we are allowed to doom?
Now imo, that’s multiple ptr builds without even a mention of fury or arms
flat river
Now imo, that’s multiple ptr builds without even a mention of fury or arms
i was going to say the collosus thing but they didnt even mention arms
lol
"warrior"
young swan
when we are allowed to doom?
like 6 years ago
echo rapids
Time to learn Ret
young swan
whenever SL came out
formal ravine
like 6 years ago
Shadowlands was fine
young swan
Shadowlands was fine
SL is the reason our class is shit
formal ravine
Weirdly enough it is
limber oar
Time to learn Ret
Rets terrible on ptr too rn
formal ravine
We like got out of it without keeping any of the good parts of it lmao
But i think SL came out 4 years ago only..
Let me go google
young swan
i think it was 2018 no?
limber oar
Their Tierset is terrible and divine hammer got taken out back
formal ravine
i think it was 2018 no?
BRO LMAO.. IT'S 2020
echo rapids
Christ, wind walker?
formal ravine
It feels like 2018 though
echo rapids
I’d say dk but it’s gonna be shit
formal ravine
Covid and the loss of the 2 years effect
young swan
yeah wacky time dilation
jolly marten
meanwhile mages
formal ravine
anyways see ya next tuesday
echo rapids
Mages are and have always been main character wow
Khadgar has the thickest plot armor
formal ravine
now that you say that
jolly marten
i bet 10 euros that mountain thane will pass as it is with some minor like 3% buffs or something
formal ravine
Why in the flying fuck is he sitting on a wheelchair.. a floating one, with WHEELS. Like why not make it a carpet, a dragon, a whatever teh fuck if it's made of magic, why floaty wheelchair?
echo rapids
meanwhile mages
Tbh most of that is tier set nerf from undermine
young swan
Why in the flying fuck is he sitting on a wheelchair.. a floating one, with WHEE...
prob comedic effect
thats totally in character for khadgar
olive wraith
Fury is saved guys. Demolish no longer cancels
formal ravine
Does anyone know where htey relocated bubbles to ?
heavy galleon
I guess Blizzard are too bad for understand what's going on
strange gulch
Does anyone know where htey relocated bubbles to ?
Its relocated in Fury buffs, fr.
young swan
I guess Blizzard are too bad for understand what's going on
simpler than that
they just dont play warrior at all
dapper goblet
formal ravine
I am in denial.. I wanna take unbridled ferocity and depths of insanity on slayer and i cannot fit it
radiant plank
https://tenor.com/view/plankton-eating-popcorn-popcorn-plankton-meme-plankton-ye...
All your fault
heavy galleon
I'll just play another game, so tired to wait 10 years for have nothing new
dapper goblet
formal ravine
Oh okay.. I don't have mdt on ptr so i can't check
young swan
i mean the guy that posted it runs giga m+ so theres a good chance thats real lmfao
modest condor
just saw it on twitter
ok then it's guaranteed trolling
quiet breach
new ptr build yet?
charred estuary
I give up man I'm full dooming
There is no warrior dev
It's the DK guy he does it on the weekends
south kayak
Come on, not even a buff to the thane set? I can't with this lol
compact knot
I give up man I'm full dooming
There is no warrior dev
It's the DK guy he do...
and dks complain
about death grip
south kayak
3 weeks now and there's still no thane set buff
quiet breach
just skimmed over PTR notes, so did they ONLY change protection warrior?
dapper goblet
formal ravine
just skimmed over PTR notes, so did they ONLY change protection warrior?
Skimmed? Why the wall of text was too much for you ?
quiet breach
Skimmed? Why the wall of text was too much for you ?
ye
heavy galleon
I give up man I'm full dooming
There is no warrior dev
It's the DK guy he do...
they really don"t care about warrior
formal ravine
Damn those 2 sentences must have been rough
sour elbow
young swan
can i not comment on wow forums without an active sub...
sour elbow
You do not exist if you don't sub
young swan
guess not
dapper goblet
can i not comment on wow forums without an active sub...
hey man
sour elbow
You are no longer a person
dapper goblet
they're not going to listen to you
hope this helps
my dms are always open though!
modest condor
they only listen to max tierlists
sour elbow
So how do we pay max to be on our side
formal ravine
Uhhh i also do not comprehened why so often warrior shit won't be allowed to cleave? Slayer strikes doesn't cleave, DF the tier set in season 3 wasn't cleaving either
heavy galleon
the true real tier list is Petko tier list :x
young swan
So how do we pay max to be on our side
he doesnt give a fuck about warrior
sour elbow
Do we need to buy him another horse?
gleaming siren
ok then it's guaranteed trolling
It's very real
Bubbles was removed from the key
Swampface RP-kills Bubbles
sour elbow
he doesnt give a fuck about warrior
I'll send him a shirtless pic. I also may or may not be a 38 year old man with a dad bod
young swan
Swampface RP-kills Bubbles
okay thats sick as fuck
formal ravine
I find it very weird that this would be his new location
Regardless of rp killing it or not
I thought it would only be moved but downstairs
south kayak
if you believe that's going to be his location on launch, you're smoking crack
gleaming siren
gleaming siren
if you believe that's going to be his location on launch, you're smoking crack
Yea they implemented the animation on PTR as a small joke
Surely
junior oyster
LOOOL
compact knot
Uhhh i also do not comprehened why so often warrior shit won't be allowed to cle...
because if it cleaved it would have been insane
lmfao
formal ravine
"insane"
With a 50% dmg penalty?
Top crit on that shit is like 1.5mil nothing really along the lines of insane
south kayak
it's gonna be giga broken in s3 if it cleaved
compact knot
if either tier set cleaves/had cleaved they would be extremely strong
and both where/are still strong
south kayak
I'm here for no reason, I won't even play fury/warrior until they change the target caps
formal ravine
again "Extremely" strong is not quite teh case given it hits for those numbers, with a 50% penalty on extra 4.
If anything it would be buffing execute more than the dmg it does by itself
south kayak
If the thane set is properly buffed, fury might have a good chance at being pretty good in m+
That's the reason I'm just waiting for the buffs
for thane specifically
red berry
the set doesn't touch AoE at all and more thunder blasts isn't going to change our damage that much
young swan
when even silm is in doomium mode it is truly fucking cooked
red berry
i did say it'd be bigger and while that's not wrong thunder blast is still fairly weak
they fixed seismic
formal ravine
The thing is it's not tied to thunder blast dmg wise
It's tied to it proc wise
The dmg it does is not thunderblasty
south kayak
the set doesn't touch AoE at all and more thunder blasts isn't going to change o...
It absolutely is, if it resets and procs as much as I think it will
rigid stirrup
its alright guys we'll get em next week
summer quail
its alright guys we'll get em next week
marble pilot
If the set hit all targets 5 times instead of 5 total strikes. And the tblast proc reset the cd on tblast it would be pretty good
marble pilot
But who knows what they do. Currently it isnt even worth equiping lol
red berry
thunder blast is not that strong
south kayak
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I'm thinking a TB always procs ionizing strikes, which leaves the rng to ionizing strikes to reset tb, you can chain this over and over until it doesn't proc if you're lucky, that's a lot of damage in aoe
formal ravine
thunder blast is not that strong
It doesn't matter
The dmg of the proc is nto tied to thunderblast
red berry
no, but the proc also isn't AoE either
formal ravine
Yes, but also not tied to it either
marble pilot
It does lower st dps in aoe. Which is just bad
south kayak
You're ignoring my hypothetical that if it is all properly tuned
It doesn't matter what it does right now
red berry
i mean even if its tuned its not going to substantially impact AoE, thats what im saying
south kayak
Because it's fucking useless
south kayak
you don't have to rework it
All you have to do is make TB always proc ionizing strikes and buff them by 500% something
4p buffs TB by 20% and does what it does rn
- resets TB cd
marble pilot
Just add these 3 things but dont rework it
red berry
that's adding something onto it that wasn't there before
south kayak
Yeah but a rework is a completely different than that
those things are still pretty much similar
HOly shit why are we arguing over SEMANTICS
dapper goblet
you guys wasted your rework token trying to get shockwave. (it moved up 1 row)
formal ravine
What's the opossite of ionized, it's definitely not unionized
echo rapids
How would buffing ionizing strikes fix our aoe?
marble pilot
I dont think it does unless they add an effect to it.
south kayak
How would buffing ionizing strikes fix our aoe?
It doesn’t. Read what it again
marble pilot
Next week is our week boys. Cya guys around.
echo rapids
It doesn’t. Read what it again
So then we need a thunder blast buff
red berry
okay. you implied that it could make thane good in M+ which-- frankly, it would need to do something more to address the disparity. maybe changes they bring will our AoE stronger
as it stands, even if they buffed it to be reasonable
it isn't going to be 'better in M+'
formal ravine
How would buffing ionizing strikes fix our aoe?
Probably by making it hit "all affected targets" as described, but the number is another story
south kayak
So then we need a thunder blast buff
It would help yes but in this hypothetical set you’d get a lot more TB procs and ionizing strikes would reset them, buffing aoe by a lot
red berry
if ionizing was AoE it might help, but - yeah. numbers
red berry
more thunder blasts is not going to make thane better in keys
red berry
seismic is gone
eternal sundial
die thane die
echo rapids
What impact would twice as many thunder blasts have?
eternal sundial
0x2 = 0
red berry
lmao
formal ravine
But thunder blast doesn't do bad dmg
red berry
it doesn't do BAD damage. especially right now. although frankly something about our kit has to give
again, seismic being fixed will make TB weaker then it already is which after that big buff its still
not really that strong
sand crest
surely when I click on the notification in updates-war-within, there's cool fury buffs in there right
right guys
blizzard cooked this week right
olive wraith
Isn’t tb soft capped
olive wraith
So it would help in those massive pools if we got resets
vague sierra
If by cooked you mean left the dish in the fridge, yeah.
formal ravine
Its not in any way impacting the tier set negatively
south kayak
So it would help in those massive pools if we got resets
That’s what I’m say
That’s the best bet we got
They’re not uncapping our meat cleaver
olive wraith
I still do not get why thunderblast is the focal point of this though?
More tb=more aoe
The thing that majority of fury posters complain about is being target capped
formal ravine
Okay but again i still do not get why it's the focus of the tier set when it's the one thing not affecting negatively
focus of this talk at least not the tier set*
red berry
thunder blast is core to thane and its fundamental to the tierset
formal ravine
Yes it was already core to thane
red berry
thats why
formal ravine
So i do not get where you're going with this
red berry
its being spoken about
olive wraith
Okay but again i still do not get why it's the focus of the tier set when it's t...
Tier sets focus on seemingly random things
formal ravine
Okay maybe i missed a part, why are there complaints about it ?
formal ravine
No, about thunder blast specifically
olive wraith
Because when you get a charge the cd isn’t reset
formal ravine
Like i geniunely think i missed a part
olive wraith
It would be a huge qol if it reset
red berry
to that if it were tuned properly
that it would make thane better in keys
which it will not
toxic pivot
red berry
and they mentioned
it refreshing
would be enough to make thane bigger
that's something i said a few days ago
sil disagreed
i thought about it
formal ravine
Because when you get a charge the cd isn’t reset
But that is tied to the flow of what htey were aiming to do. Teh reset is not being done for the dmg of it, it's being done because that's what they decided to tie ionizing strikes to. It was the intended flow, despite the fact taht chance upon chance is bad. The resets make sense because it's the ability that procs it. Could have been tied to rampage for example.
red berry
and yes, sil was correct
south kayak
I’m not only talking about resetting
south kayak
I’m talking about a lot more procs
formal ravine
its ionizing and reset
One feeds into the other, they could have tied it to any ability and made it reset if it had a CD
So it makes sense in that aspect cus they wanted the X ability to do MORE ionizings, but the tuning is the current issue
TB in itself happened to be the chosen ability
red berry
thunder blast being core to the hero class and the tiersets being about hero classes, that was
yes
formal ravine
It doesn’t reset though
That might not be intended though
olive wraith
I’m pretty sure it is
south kayak
It doesn’t reset
olive wraith
That’s why we are stating it would be better if it reset the cooldown
south kayak
In my ideal set rework, within the current design, it would
formal ravine
That’s why we are stating it would be better if it reset the cooldown
That's why i got confused and said i think i missed a part
undone flower
You're ignoring my hypothetical that if it is all properly tuned
does the strikes can go on the same target ?
red berry
yes
south kayak
does the strikes can go on the same target ?
If there are 5 target, they go on each
I think?
formal ravine
That’s why we are stating it would be better if it reset the cooldown
But that doesn't seem to be the intended use of it, the intended use is to feed more into the ionizing thing. Despite how that is now doing terrible.
undone flower
but if you have only 1 target, does it go all 5 on it ?
formal ravine
It seems the goal was to make this "extra new thing" be the main part, and failed at it.
olive wraith
Wdym intended use?
south kayak
Yes
olive wraith
Ionizing part is just a passive proc
formal ravine
Wdym intended use?
Yes, which feeds off TB, so the intended use seemed to be on THAT part, with the TB adding to the loop.
olive wraith
It promotes a broken feedback loop because by design you won’t be able to send enough TB
south kayak
The issue with the set is that the feedback is delayed and it’s just unexciting. Those changes would fix that
undone flower
seemed a lil weird that the tier have 0 thunderclap % damage increase part
formal ravine
It promotes a broken feedback loop because by design you won’t be able to send e...
But isn't that easier fixed by making it so that thunderblast procs it 100% , instead of more TB resets more reasonable? Since the feed is meant to be on the strikes.
olive wraith
seemed a lil weird that the tier have 0 thunderclap % damage increase part
This too
undone flower
but slayer has RB and Execute
olive wraith
But isn't that easier fixed by making it so that thunderblast procs it 100% , in...
You’d have to buff ionizing strikes by 109999999
south kayak
Ok I think I’m gonna write the set how I want it to be
Can someone send the current set text please lol
red berry
not only that but if raging blows tierset is changed to actually proc on 5 targets like bloodthirst
i am pretty sure that is the play
formal ravine
You’d have to buff ionizing strikes by 109999999
True i am not saying that it's doing the dmg intended, i am saying that it seems like the point was for them to do t hat, and failed.
undone flower
Can someone send the current set text please lol
#updates-midnight message this ?
eternal sundial
but thats feedback from when thane was first released
formal ravine
For example, if they really wanted thunderblast to be the main dmg of this process, they could've made it so 4 set for example, instead of adding a charge increased the thunder blast dmg by X % per target hit by strikes right ? So different focus there.
olive wraith
They could have done a lot of things
formal ravine
The thing is we're in such a process of hypothesising because we do not have a picture of the inteded use in full motion. So until we get some update i guess we can just speculate around it
And this can be compared to how the slayer set plays, it has a specific feed to it and it makes sense and works
olive wraith
I mean people have tested it
eternal sundial
intended: N>fury>slayer
olive wraith
It’s wai
eternal sundial
south kayak
2p: Thunder Blast sends down 5 Ionizing Strikes on affected targets.
4p: Thunder Blast damage increased by 20%. Ionizing Strikes have a 20% chance to grant a charge of Thunder Blast. This charge resets the cooldown of Thunder Blast.
This is what I think would be best
formal ravine
2p: Thunder Blast sends down 5 Ionizing Strikes on affected targets.
4p: Thund...
And it wouldn't because teh focal point is not THUNDER BLAST. It's the TRIGGER. The loop seems to want to feed off of it, to do dmg with something ELSE.
jolly marten
2p: Thunder Blast sends down 5 Ionizing Strikes on affected targets.
4p: Thund...
5 targets are too much.. make it like 3-2
south kayak
They could have done a lot of things
Imagine If tier set was Thunder Clap is now always thunder blast
formal ravine
I think the first half of the 4 set is super wasted too, having them do 50% more dmg, tune it to do that and add a more interesting effect to it. Leave the adding charge part as it is.
jolly marten
Imagine If tier set was Thunder Clap is now always thunder blast
but it is capped at 3 targets.. there fix it
south kayak
but it is capped at 3 targets.. there fix it
Stop
south kayak
I think the first half of the 4 set is super wasted too, having them do 50% more...
Yeah that’s why I didn’t include that in my set
Just tune it in the damage
formal ravine
Since thunderclap and blast on thane replace fully WW, i think they could've made something aroudn that. Which would make seperation a bit more clear that slayer is your single target, thane your aoe. An example would be that ionizing strikes increase the cleave dmg of meat cleaver by 5% per different target hit. That would give us a 75% meat cleaver, make us much better on those 5 targets and play around that with some dmg tuning on the strikes.
So there's still a bit of rng i guess, with different target hit, if yo uget unlucky you do not get the full effect, but yeah..
covert coyote
imagine instead of generating a TB charge it just sent one automatically off GCD
coarse nest
cant have nice things
olive wraith
Since thunderclap and blast on thane replace fully WW, i think they could've mad...
I mean they already went in that direction s2. It’s clear they want hero talents to fulfill different roles
formal ravine
I mean they already went in that direction s2. It’s clear they want hero talents...
Exactly why i am sayign the above, it would make it pretty clear cut and useful
And it still adds their idea of having the whole ionizing strikes bullshit in the mix.
deft sierra
olive wraith
Exactly why i am sayign the above, it would make it pretty clear cut and useful
That also completely changes the tier set instead of altering what’s already there
formal ravine
That also completely changes the tier set instead of altering what’s already the...
Indeed cus i cannot make sense out of the double proc either way and i firmly believe it has to go. Also i said "Could've been" not like i am expecting or hopping for such a change.
Double as in proc on proc
orchid dagger
proc-ception
olive wraith
It’s fine if 1. We could use TB after the proc, or 2. People have mentioned maybe give TB stacking damage when you get a proc
That way having to wait for the cd wouldn’t feel as bad
formal ravine
It’s fine if 1. We could use TB after the proc, or 2. People have mentioned mayb...
I think at this point, if they do not fully overhaul it, the change we can expect will still unfold around strikes doing teh dmg not TB.
Ofcourse i cannot know how hell bent they are on that
winter shoal
Baze watching your stream is making me depressed
slow quiver
can we heroic leap over the lightning in p2 of gallywix
winter shoal
No
slow quiver
i just took dmg whilst doing it but haven't beforehand
winter shoal
Gotta do it natty like everyone else
formal ravine
Gotta do it natty like everyone else
Except for DK
olive wraith
The legendary only 5 target pulls
frank dawn
is it legendary or just dumb
olive wraith
Legendary because it will be talked about for expansions
It’ll live on like roids 16 nelth
sullen dove
W WARRIOR NOTES!
gleaming siren
W balls
olive wraith
Fury is meta
sullen dove
very insane
never before seen overall in a key
def couldn’t be done by like any spec at 650 Ilvl
formal ravine
2.6 damn imagine if you equip your 2nd weapon
sullen dove
1weapon fury 
formal ravine
1 weapon-shield fury
sullen dove
sword n boarding
formal ravine
Shield slaming
static rock
So, does blizzard just hate the instant unga bunga dps classes? They just gutted unholy dks and i see warriors chanting "one of us!"
sullen dove
Dk takes like 39 years to ramp dmg no
frank dawn
84 years, I think
sullen dove
or is that just gio yap and being bad
formal ravine
It's so amazing how specs work though, so if you equip 2 heavy 2 handed dildoes you can spin and do damage fast. but if you equip 1, you do the same thing but slower because...
static rock
Dk takes like 39 years to ramp dmg no
I mean the fact that they go from good damage to in a few seconds well over 20M dps, or at least they used to
formal ravine
I remember early season playing with a boomie in a workshop, he did shit for dps, 45 sec in on the first pull and he goes "I was ramping" Brother was ramping slower than goku's spirit bomb
south kayak
Their damage was also insane even without a beast proc
south kayak
I remember early season playing with a boomie in a workshop, he did shit for dps...
Remember the ramp in SL? Lol
Venthyr balance
That shit took ages
whole yacht
Brewmaster is kinda nuts
Were you afk?
formal ravine
It's not like during the ramp they did nothing
Plus in m+ you could prestack it before timer by spamming dispell
south kayak
I don’t think balance really has ramping anymore
smoky vale
or is that just gio yap and being bad
its not yap
south kayak
Their damage is there fairly fast
smoky vale
yeah bro
formal ravine
I don’t think balance really has ramping anymore
I can understand their first 4-5 sec to put moonfire on that many units like 1st pull workshop. But 45 sec in is like he's ramping the biggest shit of his life
south kayak
I can understand their first 4-5 sec to put moonfire on that many units like 1st...
Yeah that guy is just shit
static rock
I do wonder what the devs think fury is good at, cause it seems they believe we either don't need tuning or just dont exist
formal ravine
We're excellent at needing 2 weapons
south kayak
So true
formal ravine
So we can deny them from other specs
sullen dove
were the best at having the most stats on our weapons than any other class and still not doing more damage despite it
formal ravine
We're also super good at equiping cloth, and daggers, and bows
And leather, and mail
static rock
Like, back in around MoP, we needed good gear, but then in like the final season we were pretty good, now we're shit the whole expansion
sullen dove
I like how fury being 2 handed actually doesn’t matter cuz they just make the abilities do less dmg to line up with having like 5% more strength/secondaries
static rock
Especially on bigger sized races
Except worgens
formal ravine
But nothing beats a rogue cow
I am so tempted to make a rogue tauren just so i can make a macro that yells MOOOOOOOOO when i come out of invi
Surprise moooo
smoky vale
I like how fury being 2 handed actually doesn’t matter cuz they just make the ab...
w
seoridhs why did soredish make a return
oblique thistle
Guys are we cooked
olive wraith
Guys are we cooked
Fury is saved. Demolish doesn’t cancel anymore
chilly fractal
Fury is saved. Demolish doesn’t cancel anymore
To be fair my demolish has never canceled as fury before…
dense elbow
Lucky you. For myself it has always cancled instantly, not a single tick of damage at all!
chilly fractal
Well it didn’t take a global so I think it’s fine
dense elbow
⚖️
formal ravine
Can you gem the reshii wraps on ptr?
ebon junco
illegal ping
formal ravine
And if yes how if someone knows?
smoky vale
illegal ping
you play boomkin
olive wraith
To be fair my demolish has never canceled as fury before…
Ya the damage increase we will get is impossible to calculate
Fury meta
charred estuary
How do they see a 0.1% increase from the set bonus and just leave it for 3 weeks man someone needs to get fired lmfao
dapper goblet
Common theme with fury tier sets tbf
charred estuary
Every other tier there's some reason we have to press raging blow and giga overcap too
olive wraith
At least this time the execute tier is good
south kayak
At least this time the execute tier is good
S1 DF ptsd
tall rampart
UDK got warrior treatment but at 8 target cap
olive wraith
Cap everyone or no one
tall rampart
Ware stays at 5 because uhm... it has rally cry
olive wraith
Honestly that’s a pretty hefty nerf though
Plus apparently spriest took a hit too. Shadow crash on out applies dots to 6t?
tall rampart
I don't know why they don't leave everything uncap and buff the dungeons. Like the giga pulls stop at some point since you're limited by healer and kicks
People like giga pulls
south kayak
Plus apparently spriest took a hit too. Shadow crash on out applies dots to 6t?
2 charges so 12 if you use both in succession
Better than previous 8
olive wraith
Is it smart though
south kayak
I’m pretty sure it is lol
olive wraith
It’s not
earnest canyon
Do you think they struggle to tune warrior as it's a relatively new class
young swan
yeah definitely
south kayak
Lmao
charred estuary
They're struggling to find a way to create a new tier set but also make sure we do less damage than last tier
fleet pasture
well they are trying their best
charred estuary
they're so close
young swan
do you know that
quiet breach
are we crashing out chat
charred estuary
Im on year 5 of crashing out
it was briefly interrupted by 11.0 but we're back to crashing
young swan
fleet pasture
seems fine
young swan
this spec needs the noose
bitter palm
this spec needs god
not sure if even god could save it
i fw slayer on st
but aoe is so shit
m+
marble pilot
Losing to a brewmaster is something else
bitter palm
is this ptr
marble pilot
What else is bad is going 9.3m thats pretty good. Then comparing to the other numbers and its just ass
bitter palm
i assume it is
young swan
ye
olive wraith
Thane or slayer
charred estuary
Feels like every other spec gets the buff now fix later treatment, and for fury they have to meticulously make sure we don't do good damage before releasing anything
olive wraith
Ya I’m thinking just go slayer even if it’s slightly worse aoe
bitter palm
fury needs a capstone redesign
bitter palm
Ya I’m thinking just go slayer even if it’s slightly worse aoe
iirc its not worse
charred estuary
Fury has like 9 dead talents
marble pilot
Slayer is decent from what I hear. Or at least its kinda fun actually hitting execute.
Doesnt mean the numbers are good
olive wraith
Ya ST is good
bitter palm
olive wraith
Even if there’s no tier
charred estuary
Raging blow is still a huge problem but at least execute matters
bitter palm
why
charred estuary
not enough to take massacre
olive wraith
You don’t really need massacre
olive wraith
Some talents are dead talents
charred estuary
same with onslaught odyns fresh meat etc
bitter palm
Raging blow is still a huge problem but at least execute matters
i disagree
charred estuary
okay
charred estuary
Rotationally raging blow is choking out the rest of the open gcds
young swan
the issue is definitely absolutely 100% rb
charred estuary
to the point where you need 20 procs to press any other button
you even overcap rage to spam rb after bladestorm lol
just ridiculous how much that button does
bitter palm
its not cause of the button but cause of a buff
charred estuary
correct
olive wraith
There’s too many rb talents
charred estuary
I would like those buffs to be redistributed to other spells
pretty simple to understand I think
olive wraith
I want to hit bt on cooldown
charred estuary
^
south kayak
Rampage should be first by far then execute, BT then rb
charred estuary
I want Ramp > exe > bt > rb to be the baseline rotation, let talents and procs change it sometimes
south kayak
This one is cooked and I’m not playing fury if it stays like this
charred estuary
but right now its Raging blow unless the world is about to end, > rampage, etc
oak garden
some ptr test player on? (how is the trinekt situation for us next sesion?
south kayak
It fucking is
charred estuary
BT is absolutely supposed to be the MS equivalent
south kayak
It’s a fucking abomination that rampage isn’t first prio
bitter palm
specs are completely different
south kayak
Disgusting design
bitter palm
how can u compare them
south kayak
I can and I did
south kayak
Rampage was highest priority since it’s conception and it made complete sense. 80 rage spender should be doing 10000000000 more damage than a builder like raging blow
Period
There’s no arguments to me made otherwise
charred estuary
100% agree
charred estuary
BT should be higher prio than raging blow, it always has been until very recently
bitter palm
i just never understood this bt glaze
cause its literally rb with a different animation
it does nothing
just does damage heals u a bit
charred estuary
HUH
bitter palm
applies cshb if it crits
olive wraith
It heals and can proc bleed
charred estuary
it enrages you
young swan
it does nothing
well thats kinda the problem isnt it
charred estuary
it extends enrage
bitter palm
enrage in 2025
young swan
they stripped it of its identity
south kayak
Bt should be doing more damage based on the fact that it has no charges. This is simple design
bitter palm
with 400000000 rage per second
south kayak
Lol
charred estuary
enrage is the entire point of the spec
bitter palm
well thats kinda the problem isnt it
it is
charred estuary
holy shit is he trolling
bitter palm
enrage is the entire point of the spec
enrage hasnt been an issue
in ages
u are swimming in rage
young swan
dont think we've worried about enrage since SL
bitter palm
ye
olive wraith
cause its literally rb with a different animation
With that logic just make everything slam
bitter palm
where u actually played fresh meat to keep enrage in packs and had plater
young swan
which i also think is kind of a problem
bitter palm
u cant expect rampage to fuck when u press it every 2 seconds is also something
young swan
but its also lowkey impossible to make enrage important without it either being anemic at the start
south kayak
If BT had 2 charges and raging blow had one and it did more damage, that’s also a fucking problem. An ability with charges should NEVER do more damage than an ability that doesn’t have charges with a cd
bitter palm
With that logic just make everything slam
give something to bt
charred estuary
^^^
bitter palm
some actual mechanics
young swan
starsurge exists
bitter palm
thats boomie 
south kayak
And this is the spec where a builder is better than a spender
charred estuary
give something to bt
That's what we're suggesting
thats exactly it
rb has all the mechanics bt should have
since bt is a 3 global cd and raging blow is spammable
south kayak
u cant expect rampage to fuck when u press it every 2 seconds is also something
Did you play BfA?
bitter palm
no
south kayak
Rampage was doing the most damage by far
charred estuary
in bfa all of our damage came from borrowed power lmao
south kayak
And it was fine
charred estuary
like 14 damaging procs
south kayak
Had the perfect priority
south kayak
Rampage > execute > BT > rb
gleaming siren
Thane tier owns
charred estuary
execute is only pressed with 2 stacks of sudden death or 3 stacks of slayer debuff still I thought
fossil cloak
pressing rampage doesnt feel gud
charred estuary
even with a free slayer strike
south kayak
pressing rampage doesnt feel gud
Hasn’t felt good for a long time
fossil cloak
i enjoyed DF Fury waaaay more
south kayak
execute is only pressed with 2 stacks of sudden death or 3 stacks of slayer debu...
No you’re pressing it on sd proc now
It’s very frequent
charred estuary
thank fuck
south kayak
In ptr
charred estuary
you still never care about actual execute phase execute though which is sad
south kayak
Instead of RB
charred estuary
I want massacre to be a good talent
south kayak
20% rampage damage on 4p instead of rb Please
bitter palm
Hasn’t felt good for a long time
s2 df fury and its consequences
south kayak
rampage could have that 20% proc on reap the storm too
Yep
fossil cloak
all cds lining up 🙂
charred estuary
450% chance to proc
could even be during recklessness rampage casts free reap
that would fuck
bitter palm
or they could finally decide what they want fury to be
charred estuary
that would make the capstones under AM good too
bitter palm
its capped at 5t and loses to everyone at 5t
fossil cloak
DF gave gameplay options even if they werent super close
gleaming siren
@smoky vale what do we think about this
south kayak
Honestly I’d be up for nerfs to rb by 100% and buffs to rampage by the same amount
bitter palm
<@335579026259312641> what do we think about this
powerful tierset
smoky vale
<@335579026259312641> what do we think about this
w unholy nerfs
@gleaming siren look in dk discord
charred estuary
I think it really could just be slaughtering strikes
final eagle
lmao at this point its a meme
charred estuary
execute gives you two ss strikes and bt gives you 1, rb gives you 0
problem literally solved
final eagle
not having anything for us
bitter palm
a lot of things are evil on this spec
south kayak
execute gives you two ss strikes and bt gives you 1, rb gives you 0
I had a similar idea
charred estuary
Something along those lines
south kayak
2 for BT, one from rb and 3 from execute
charred estuary
its mostly SS
bitter palm
for one
charred estuary
yeah thats perfect
bitter palm
why is one side of the tree rb ww exe and one bt and useless talents
charred estuary
and like the 1h talents, onslaught and of are a joke
south kayak
Thoughts on removing rage and adding slaughtering strikes as a resource
Every 5 stacks u can rampage
south kayak
Ngl it’s a good idea don’t @ me
bitter palm
Thoughts on removing rage and adding slaughtering strikes as a resource
so rage in disguise
charred estuary
This is just holy power
south kayak
Brings back rampage
bitter palm
if anything it would make a lot more sense for arms
south kayak
The main issue is that we have an abundance of rage
bitter palm
imo fury needs to lose some rage gen make getting to rampage harder and make it hit harder
tepid cedar
Is there really no change on our tiersets
south kayak
We need to get rage slowed down
tepid cedar
These fuckign warrior devs are beyond fucking worthless
south kayak
And buffing rampage
It was almost perfect in bfa
The rage generation
Now it’s out of balance
You just press one raging blow during Reck
And you’re full rage
bitter palm
as i said
south kayak
Great gameplay
charred estuary
These fuckign warrior devs are beyond fucking worthless
im not convinced they exist
south kayak
20% damage
bitter palm
I think reck rage gen should be nerfed but adding a damage buff
i think thats what xan proposed a while ago
more haste and damage or smth
also
explode powerful enrage
idc
olive wraith
Dw we will get buffed a week before season drops
echo rapids
What melee is feeling good right now
olive wraith
Arms
echo rapids
Next season
bitter palm
fury on st as slayer feels good
colossus arms in m+
imo
thane fury currently doesnt have a tierset
probably will change in the future
too early
winter shoal
Another season of n->arms in keys sadeg
bitter palm
one day...
ww to 8 targets
...
dw that day cleave will get its softcap moved to 8
and fury will be deadge again
slim coral
Fury needs buffs to its cds
slim coral
Literally if nothing else it’s needs buffs badly
bitter palm
avatar needs to explode for both arms and fury
legit
the most boring cd in the entire game
fast mural
Fury needs buffs to its cds
RA buffs 
slim coral
Sure but the real issue is that CDs do nothing
bitter palm
remove avatar and make reck an actual cd
fast mural
actually RA only affects reck not avatar
bitter palm
why does fury have avatar in the first place
fast mural
na the current one is better
bitter palm
i hate both
fast mural
fair
bitter palm
old ra always forced
some cancer builder>spender gameplay
and by builder i mean crushing blow
fast mural
the current one just makes reck more meaningfull
bitter palm
idk it makes rampage even more meaningless
fast mural
ramp is a filler to keep us enraged
bitter palm
should make it buff execute too imo
fast mural
our execute is BT with vicious contempt
olive wraith
Yee that I can get behind
olive wraith
VC could also just flag buff bt honestly
echo rapids
Bring back death wish
bitter palm
ye lets have even more cds
ava reck troar/spear ravager/bladestorm odyns fury
and all of them do jack shit
imo remove ava spear
make odyns a core part of fury
echo rapids
Avatar should be a thane thing
bitter palm
its such an awful cd
final eagle
So hope for next week? 
sullen dove
return reck to being 100% critrate like legion