fury

[golden linden]

Quick question, as a Prot Warrior in M+, I'm gonna have to dps the raid, is Fury better than Arms?

[silent aurora]

for season 3 ?

[hardy bluff]

arms uses the same stats as prot so probably that

but shouldnt really matter

[golden linden]

yup for S3

[jolly marten]

where are the ptr notes? where is the mountain thane tier set rework?

[golden linden]

and it's prob easier to just have 1x 2h weapon, right?

[hardy bluff]

yea that too

[golden linden]

but Fury is considered easier, right?

[hardy bluff]

not really

[compact knot]

they are pretty similar

arms is much harder in m+ than fury is

rotationally arms is easier, arms requires much more knowledge of a fight though when compared to fury, fury can kinda just brain dead send cds whenever on most bosses it feels and it not matter.

fury also can play aoe spec and barely lose boss damage

ig you didnt ask for m+ though

[golden linden]

ahaha yeah, it's fine - whatever saves time gearing

[compact knot]

oh

yeah go arms then

same stats, only need 1 2hander

[golden linden]

What does Fury use?

Mastery?

[compact knot]

its a bigger mix

[golden linden]

Ah cool

[compact knot]

prot/arms are focused much more on crit/haste

fury likes all

[golden linden]

sweet, good to know 😄

[bitter palm]

depends on hero too yeah

[compact knot]

yeah

[golden linden]

plus Arms has Demolish I notice

[bitter palm]

slayer arms loves haste much more than colossus arms

colossus wants crit mastery

[compact knot]

colossus also likes crit much more than slayer

[bitter palm]

also ye

slayer kinda doesnt care

just have haste

and get whatever

[flat river]

yo

whats up guys

[azure hill]

Hey, what two trinkets would you recommend for Gallywix Mythic? I have 3 Dinar left over and could either buy Lock n stalk or House of Cards. I have Eye of Kezan on Heroic alrdy.

[fading sky]

i mean hoc in gen ?

but ive heard sev timers can be a but funky

[tight roost]

why does blizz hate fury?

[rotund ginkgo]

is eye of kezan just simbait even if we hold good stacks in m+?

[hardy bluff]

its the best trinket in the game if you can keep it at 20

[rotund ginkgo]

thast what im tryign to figure out

is it worth grabbing from vault over gobfather's mythic?

[hardy bluff]

crafted to gobfather is def a smaller upgrade than no kezan to kezan

but you can get kezan with dinar

[flat river]

i had a dream

they buffed mountain thane tier

and fixed raging blow to work with multiple targets

[radiant plank]

?

[flat river]

but the thing is

i woke up

[rotund ginkgo]

no i cant

cuz i alrdy got 3 items

[hardy bluff]

unlucky

[rotund ginkgo]

bro thinking im holding dinar for next tier

[hardy bluff]

idk i still got one i cant use

[rotund ginkgo]

i didnt even see a single capital punisher

drop

[hardy bluff]

i bought jastor and bis

[rotund ginkgo]

yeah i got bis jastor and pacemaker

[hardy bluff]

just loot the rest

[rotund ginkgo]

true mb

[hardy bluff]

got hoc from vault and rest just from raid

[rotund ginkgo]

yh

got hoc too

just no punisher

havent seen it drop yet

[flat river]

what do you guys think of this

it's my 2nd week and it's their 5th reclear

[radiant plank]

Normal lol

[flat river]

oki

[bitter palm]

ahh weapon anyway

just play arms 🥀

[rotund ginkgo]

do u have gally killed already?

if yes and ur a fresh trial whats the issue

[bitter palm]

punisher is st proc right

ahh weapon ngl

isnt mugzee weap huge for casters

or is it st too idk

[rotund ginkgo]

ya mums ngl

[bitter palm]

the big g

goat mount

[rotund ginkgo]

if it had ANY OTHER NAME

it'd be F tier ngl

mfs cooked

[bitter palm]

the cigar too

mf bullet

goes so hard its insane

[median marsh]

for mythic raid, mister lock n stalk - which mode is better?

[rotund ginkgo]

tried single button assistant and it literally did not cast avatar

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-9508832355999336631

[earnest canyon]

i dont think it uses cds

[rotund ginkgo]

it started with ravager

lol

first cast was rava

[earnest canyon]

oh

i havent tried it

[rotund ginkgo]

its ass

it just cycles rava, raging blow and rampage and clap

as thane

in 1min i havent casted a single bloodthirst

also it uses exec

yeah it casts bladestorm but no other cds

as slayer

drops enrage all the time

[limber oar]

It doesnt use buffs

Reck or ava

It also spams execute in execute range as slayer with no attention paid to MFE or anything

Like if it can can execute at any moment it WILL cast it

[undone flower]

It doesn’t cast off GCDs

I didn’t try the button yet, does it cast unenraged buttons, or just you lose enrage on last builder

[rotund ginkgo]

You just lose enrage

But it casts heroic throw lmao

As first cast

And then ravager to build rage asap I guess

[undone flower]

Does it cast unrenraged RB or BT?

Or it just rampage when it lose enrage

I don’t mind the ravager on pull, it is the opener for prot or on bandit fury thane

For the enrage I think the gcd penalty make it really hard, like ret hammer cd

my conspiracy reason on why they increased the cd of the hammer on ret

[fast mural]

In hc it still gets 80 parses

In mythic it gets greens at best

Imagine the button is this bad and still making people get purples on hc and normal

[undone flower]

And it makes you time 18s

[fast mural]

Only if you are a boomie

[clever belfry]

a LOT of parses on nm/hc are with horseshit gear

[undone flower]

So imagine if : you don’t use the button but the rotation assistant

Hekili

[south kayak]

How do you skip Battle of Dazaralor

[undone flower]

And yes like anda says, ppl who does hc raid in 11.1.7 mean they need gear

[gleaming siren]

HC is dead man's land

Boosts and casuals

[undone flower]

Which of the two are you, to know this information you need to be in hc raids

[thick fossil]

Have they mentioned any more buffs or changes for dps warrior?

[clever belfry]

schmeowdi

[high echo]

Not yet

[unreal onyx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294680138042183711/1334149580786499604/8lGFp.gif

Hc ded, troll only

[south kayak]

Should I set up a skip for mekkatorque

[flat river]

i do not

[rotund ginkgo]

Hmmge if ur fresh in the guild and there's trials before u, makes sense

[south kayak]

First thing I'm doing is farming GMOD

[flat river]

got it on my third try without the buff

if u still dont have it skill issue

[south kayak]

I never tried to farm it

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[south kayak]

It's not a skill issue if it hasn't been tested

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-8420165

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/charge-smash-cat-bite-charge-smash-cat-bite-gif-15342273195042263536

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/midnight-the-cat-stopped-working-midnight-the-cat-cat-cat-meme-funny-cat-gif-81113296414293415

[earnest canyon]

I have all the rare mounts from the older instances (not DF), but did they also buff toy etc drop rate? I have this and never seen another person with it (or they didnt use it)

https://www.wowhead.com/item=119211/golden-hearthstone-card-lord-jaraxxus

has custom VO and dance etc etc

[unreal onyx]

I think they explicitly said only mounts, no toys, pets or legendaries

[earnest canyon]

Boo

Id go back if i can get the other stuff

[unreal onyx]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/all-mounts-with-increased-drop-rates-during-collectors-bounty-377567

[earnest canyon]

ty

[south kayak]

I have that one too

Does anyone know if GMOD droprate is different per difficulty?

[earnest canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/high-five-hi-five-weekend-weekend-update-amy-poehler-gif-14130577

[earnest canyon]

i know they changed lfr to make it drop from jaina so people didnt auto leave, but I got it back in the day so dont know if they changed drop rates too

[oblique pond]

Do you send cd’s on cooldown on mythic gally?

[vapid tiger]

Yeah. If you burn enough rage you can have BS/reck for adds each time. At least early on

[alpine steppe]

On pull, hold bladestorm and combo with reck for first adds is how mine is going so far

With the sudden death WA when that procs is that indicating execute prio or?

(when it procs outside of the 3 stack moments I mean)

Then hold bladestorm for when adds stack nicely for second set feels the play.

Because technician takes a sec t oget moving

[gleaming siren]

If you don't kick early you can pop on pull and have back for when adds spawn

Both Reck and BS

Please don't hold on pull that's insane

And then getting both back in time for add spawns is absolutely trivial, you end up sitting on CDs for a while generally

[alpine steppe]

Sorry I typed that really poorly.

I meant use all cds on pull, and then bladestorm + reck on first adds.

[dense elbow]

Soon 2.4m gang

[undone flower]

If you send on pull you have reck back up for the adds

[alpine steppe]

It always takes me like.

[undone flower]

You even can BS again on the shield if you feel lucky

I think 1/2 maybe lower odds I can bladestorm twice the shield/boss and still bs the adds

Since bs can have 20 sec cd

And you don’t instantly kill the adds

Here I bs the first adds at 45

[south kayak]

Tempete de lame

it is definitely lame

[dense elbow]

Tempest of the lamed?

I love when it isnt english, always makes it 4x more enjoyable

French also got the best name for execute

Coup de grâce

Kouhp d'e graaaahhh'e

[whole yacht]

Wth. Why is your damage so low.

[dense elbow]

Rude

[last sparrow]

odyns fury really be that bad

[bitter palm]

its even worse than you think

[orchid dagger]

The only use case for OF is to apply Slaughterhouse stacks

And at that point just play a real talent called Ravager

[whole yacht]

Lmao. Mb. Just caught me off guard. Cuz I know youre not like 660

[dense elbow]

my feelings are very hurt

[summer quail]

wtff is that? some sort of pvp thing i'm too pve to understand?

[bitter palm]

titanic rage

[dense elbow]

OF in PvP is not OF in PvE, it is a debuff ability (basically mortalstrike AoE) with negative dam

[summer quail]

yea makes sense. got no idea about anything pvp

[quiet breach]

what is the maximum acceptable amount of seconds to hold BS/reck for an upcoming add set on mythic gally?

real seconds not anger management seconds

[radiant plank]

if you wont get them for the adds you hold them =)

(if you wanna pad ofc)

[quiet breach]

in prog should I just send on CD

[vague sierra]

no, make sure the adds are dead

getting casts off is like an instant wipe, everything else isn't a problem, damage on boss is a non-issue at this point

[winter shoal]

Them getting casts off is not an instant wipe lmao what

It's like a 1s stun innit

[vague sierra]

I assume talking p2 adds but ye

[bitter palm]

read slaughterhouse as slaughtering strikes

ss brainrot

[quiet breach]

talking all adds, I plan to hold for those p2 adds as long as necessary

all other adds I mean

[bitter palm]

rb until enrage drops

after bs

[quiet breach]

ye bruh that shit is so ass lol

[vague sierra]

i mean, i don't think it's a long hold for any add set p1 either way unless you get gigaprocs.

[quiet breach]

they should've made it more threatening

[vague sierra]

would just hold the reck and bs for it, don't hold avatar as if you dont hold avatar you'll get it up for the big end of p1 add set

[quiet breach]

gigaprocs of what?

[winter shoal]

0.2% dps gain and only if you do it during TT window btw (last I checked at least)

[vague sierra]

gigaprocs of reap

[quiet breach]

wut, isn't reap next seasons thing

[winter shoal]

Cluegi

[dense elbow]

I did the exactly same thing, I see slaugh... my brain autocompletes it to SS

[vague sierra]

sorry, jesus, my brain is lagging.

nah the execute procs

I can't even remember the name

[dense elbow]

He does that bait and switch a lot, evil

[quiet breach]

sd

[winter shoal]

Bt is higher prio than ramp in 4+ targets @quiet breach

Wait that's not what you meant

I mean it's still true

[bitter palm]

propaganda

[warm pewter]

how is fury vs arms rn in m+

[dense elbow]

In M+ Fury is shit, so it is only upwards from there

[warm pewter]

:)

[winter shoal]

Will you be updating your exe wa for the masses next season?

[quiet breach]

did u mean to say RB

[bitter palm]

takes like 1.7 seconds so ye

mfe from 3 to 1

gg

perma kaching

[radiant plank]

Imagine still using exe WA next season xf

[bitter palm]

makes it feel better icl

around 20% increased crit chance from the kaching

[winter shoal]

I did not

BT in aoe very powerful

Reap goes 🅱️razy

[winter shoal]

Real

[radiant plank]

Actually its MFE >1

[bitter palm]

chatting

[quiet breach]

so ur talking about for next season right?

with 4 PC?

[clever path]

greetings

[radiant plank]

Greatings

[bitter palm]

greetings

pauck

[marble pilot]

That datamined stuff I heard about yesterday real? Thought we would have notes today

[whole yacht]

Sorry funky

[dense elbow]

Reported

[radiant plank]

In like 6 hours

[marble pilot]

Thanks

[quiet breach]

so has the copium of warrior changes turned into hopium at this point

[dense elbow]

NOP

[marble pilot]

I always had hopium Been talking about the utility chinese competition interview for like 2 weeks

[dense elbow]

I really dont care about utility, us being 10% behind on overall is more of an issue

[clever path]

walk a mile in a survival mains shoes.. see how it feels..

[marble pilot]

I agree. But to me it means there are aware that warrior has issues. Can get utility and numbers at the same time.
I guess hoping for numbers is copium though

[winter shoal]

No I mean right now

BT reap proc chance scales with targets hit, so it's very good in aoe

RB with next tier 4pc does not, so BT is still higher prio in aoe

[quiet breach]

why has nobody said this or any guide said this until now

5 weeks before next season

[winter shoal]

They probably have idk

The APL is public too

[coarse nest]

Where muh patch notes!!!!

[modest condor]

why would anyone make a guide based on week 1 ptr

[coarse nest]

Why has nobody piloted my account to rank 1 yet

Smh

[dense elbow]

Views

Also: I would watch your guide

[quiet breach]

so is this for slayer and thane?

[lapis slate]

tomorrow giga warrior changes, watch

[quiet breach]

not talking about next season

[sullen dove]

what the bt part? Been known since literally like week 1 of the expansion

[winter shoal]

Slayer yes thane no

[sand crest]

cant wait for them to announce condemn is coming back

[dense elbow]

Please no, execute should not be propped up by more hits, instead of more powerful ones

[chilly fractal]

And then the last boss will end at 50%

[sand crest]

sylvanas style

[chilly fractal]

And start at 80%

[coarse nest]

Bring the boss to 80% with some flying around in planes throwing bombs gimmick

And then the boss teleports to outer space at 50% and the fight ends

Condem owns

[chilly fractal]

I miss Condemn

And Ancient Aftershock

Fuck Spear and it’s the one we kept

[coarse nest]

AA owned!

[chilly fractal]

Blizzard bought into the Year of the Spear

[earnest canyon]

I miss the rains in Africa#

[chilly fractal]

Then go to Africa

[earnest canyon]

Im already there, but the rain isnt

[chilly fractal]

The entire continent? No rain anywhere?

[earnest canyon]

Nope, we sold it to America

[chilly fractal]

Sucks

[dense elbow]

Americans right now: what?

[tepid cedar]

If spear had spear + champions might combined. And capstone made it 2x the radius with some thing else possibly

Spear is fun to play. Those massive hits in the CM window feel good

[undone flower]

Thane has a number of targets for BT> RB

Even rampage when tried to sim apl but not really sure how to do it

That’s when I tried to sim our dps with 2 billions targets

[tepid cedar]

When does 11.3 look like it’s comin, early August?

[undone flower]

21rst August, release date announced after raid testing 11 July

[sullen dove]

.2?

[undone flower]

I bet my money on those dates

[modest condor]

i would take the bet because they dont make sense

[undone flower]

20 August im so dumb sorry

[iron portal]

Never

[undone flower]

For me (EU)

[iron portal]

Kek

[modest condor]

i would still take the bet

[iron portal]

11.3

Somebody didnt pay attention

[coarse nest]

Can’t wait for 12.1

Warrior changes by then surely

[undone flower]

15th warbreaker animation rework on 12.1 patch note

[north geyser]

there's been datamined warrior stuff? or am I misreading something again?

[undone flower]

I think it is datamined stuff coming but not pushed

Like you can see the bust but not what is inside

[slim coral]

You mean 11.2 but it should be August 12th

The raid release is August 12th I mean

Assuming they stick to their 8 week patch cadence they’ve started a year ago

Also timeways ends on the 4th and the new patch always drops when it ends

[slim coral]

Where did you see datamined stuff

[bitter palm]

ye i wanna know too

well what i wanna know is if there is something specific or do we just know they are changing something

@frigid zealot @radiant plank time for arms rework and redoing the apl hopefully sd wa dies in the process

[coarse nest]

I expect to see the numbers 30 seconds after blue post!!

[bitter palm]

the efficiency is cracked

[young swan]

whats the lore

[bitter palm]

i remember when tww came out apl (arms) was done in idk less than a week and it was just small optimizations from that point

insane cooking

tbf arms is pretty braindead ngl

[static loom]

Is this the Arms rework waiting room?

[coarse nest]

Yes

I have great copy pasta for arms but you’d have to unblock it from auto mod

To much text thinks it’s spam

Nothing bad

[bitter palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1379213588383666299.webp?size=44

arms rework incoming

[radiant plank]

uhhh

what did i miss

[bitter palm]

idk

i heard warrior changes

we just dont know them

or something

jugg shot in the head 🙏

(cleave damage increased by 10%)

[echo rapids]

People thinking a jugg replacement would be an improvement is proof that hope springs eternal

[bitter palm]

jugg shot = sd more impactful

jugg shot = no more cringe rng, sd conditionals

[coarse nest]

Blizzard:
we are satisfied with current state of warrior specializations

[bitter palm]

jugg shot = no more losing 9 billion dps from downtime in exe cause jugg drops

[summer quail]

anyone who doesn't think jugg needs at the minimum changes is mentally deficient ngl. it warps the entire spec

[coarse nest]

It truly does hold back the spec

[echo rapids]

Oh I agree

I’m just not convinced the fix will be substantially better

[coarse nest]

It should be obvious that sitting on glowing procs because you need to maintain a buff is bad

[bitter palm]

a buff that makes the spec feel bad on top of that

imagine how massive sd would be

like random procs during the fight

9 billion damage

[coarse nest]

I want that

Sd glows dopamine rushes because you’re about to smoke the target

[echo rapids]

Needing to use procs to maintain a buff is just flawed design

Like full stop, should have been shot down at the brainstorm meeting

[coarse nest]

While colossus smash is active on a target, mortal strike guarantees one stack of sudden death

[marble pilot]

Couple hours till our hopium turns to copium

[frigid zealot]

probs gonna get fuck all on ptr tonight lets be real

fury needs more than god at this point to mend its tree

[rotund ginkgo]

no brew

no purple log

ETA GG

prio 18

[bitter palm]

yep

[red berry]

i see nerfs to dungeons

[modest condor]

those floodgate nerfs look like they want to reduce the power of meld

[marble pilot]

Bubbles gunna be right when you spawn in. Just to troll. The second the timer ends he pulls

[vernal laurel]

Wonder if they just increase his % so that he is actualy worth it

Would be nice to just kill him and cut out another pack

[hardy shuttle]

Gonna land on him after swampface. And make the water down there shallow enough to give fall damage to break stealth

[vernal laurel]

Instead of doing meld skips

[slim coral]

meld skips will always be stronger than dps pots

so the routes are gonna go crazy

[median marsh]

which mode should i use mister lock n stalk for mythic raiding bosses?
precision blasting or mass destruciton?

[slim coral]

precision

even if mass was good theres rarely enough ads up to justify being in it

[median marsh]

i see tyty

[rotund ginkgo]

starting carnage

on reclear

doing a quick WA update

ALL WEAKAURAS GONE

HAVE TO RELOAD

DIE

STILL NO WEAKAUARS

[hushed gust]

Makes sense with the suggested “Shadowmeld potion” I’ve heard about a couple weeks ago.

[undone flower]

#fury message

i listen people who knows apl stuff beyond me comprehension

[earnest canyon]

You could say.... Your aura game was weak *puts on sunglasses *

[radiant plank]

https://x.com/algalon_ghost

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[undone flower]

and roid in prot told me about suleyman big slam being blockable, now i see the bluepost, so i listen harder ppl

[earnest canyon]

Bigbowel usually knows what's going on

[undone flower]

unknown website to me

[radiant plank]

anlaki

[undone flower]

what it cost to use this social media usually ?

[iron portal]

Your soul

[young swan]

bigbowel

[pearl sequoia]

stayswole

[olive wraith]

Fury buffs coming today gang

[oblique thistle]

Me opening the patch notes knowing fury changes will not be present

[red berry]

when will they drop.

[dense elbow]

They already did didnt you see the build changes?

[oblique thistle]

Dungeon nerf means fury buffs

[olive wraith]

Might actually mean the opposite

Can now pull bigger

[dense elbow]

Yeah, but we scale with gear

[coarse nest]

@modest condor SCALE

Mentioned

[red berry]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-sad-cry-all-alone-gif-13551754

scali

scla.

sclae

scaling. we sacle. scale. scaleing. scleing

https://tenor.com/view/sit-ups-spongebob-squidward-exercise-gif-7888406

[limber oar]

HOLY FK FURY BUFFS LFG

[marble pilot]

Are they dropping soon then?

The patch notes that end with warlock?

[olive wraith]

Hell ya hamstring reduced gcd

[quiet geyser]

Lmao

[thick fossil]

Bunch a trolls in here.

[marble pilot]

I play a Kul Tiran actually

[bitter palm]

you know what we dont scale with

target count

xddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-true-kramer-seinfeld-gif-5503484

[flat river]

we do actually

we scale down

on the meter

[young swan]

https://tenor.com/view/loot-box-cry-fifth-element-5th-element-gif-15347948

[smoky vale]

hi

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/aguhiyori-agu-seal-agu-cute-seal-seal-clap-gif-7994364550587801526

[quiet geyser]

Just saying, GREAT movie

[thick fossil]

Awesome movie.

[young swan]

it was too old for me

[jolly marten]

Still no ptr notes?

[young swan]

and i never saw it when i was young

[south kayak]

I watched that movie a long time ago

I watched a ton of movies like 6 years ago or so

Haven't really watch as much since

[quiet geyser]

Missed out man

The chicken scene still kills me

https://tenor.com/view/leeloo-microwave-the-fifth-element-chicken-good-gif-19497229

[thick fossil]

Damn, they really did nerf some of these dungeons hard though.

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/multipass-gif-9536054

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/alright-alrighty-then-dancing-intesified-dance-gif-12320205

[lean heart]

theyre gonna buff side arms again arent they

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/mathieu-kassovitz-fifth-element-cinquieme-element-danse-gif-19857113

[tepid cedar]

who ready for fury BUFFSSSS

rigghhhhtttt

riiiighhhhttt

[red berry]

make sidearms uncapped

and buff it 120% like whirlwind

[tepid cedar]

nah jhsut go all out. all ability 10% buff

[south kayak]

Make it work like the Templar Hammers for Rets

[red berry]

i dont think a 10% aura buff is going to fix our problems

[south kayak]

30% passive damage

Why did they make it 2 target only now lol

[dense elbow]

Lets wait till after the class balance is set, before we ask for aurabuffs

[red berry]

tru

we'll see how things shake out after talent changes, if there will be any

i cant imagine there won't be

i have been staring at the launcher waiting for the PTR to update

[dense elbow]

tag me when it happens and if Fury got notes

[tepid cedar]

if anything thane sset has to be on their radar

thers no way it can be that shit

[chilly fractal]

this collectors bounty event... prolly best in game event of all time

[chilly fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-23357291

I wrote em bro don't worry

[south kayak]

lmao

[tepid cedar]

hahaha

[south kayak]

And that shit you said about buffing the Thane set? I say that shit just clowning, dawg, come on, how fuck up is you?

Hopefully someone gets it

[modest condor]

i didnt get your letter back in autumn at least

[chilly fractal]

My queues gone cold I'm wondering why... I got out of bed at all

[south kayak]

My Bloodthirst's gone cold I'm wondering why I even press it at all

[echo rapids]

Guys what if they actually buff fury

[quiet breach]

would u guys be happy if they reworked fury and it turned out worse

but like ur happy anyway cuz its different

or do u just want number go higher

[south kayak]

Obviously not lol

[olive wraith]

Our st would get nerfed next day

[young swan]

depends what you mean by "worse"

numerically?

[south kayak]

Worse in terms of gameplay

[young swan]

or just even more bland than currently

[south kayak]

I assume that's what he means

[royal oxide]

I have a question about the reap the storm interaction with our new set in 11.2

[south kayak]

Yes?

[quiet breach]

numerically

say it's more fun

but a worse spec competitively

[south kayak]

Oh, then I'll be happy lol

[young swan]

id be happy yeah

[south kayak]

That can be easily fixed

[young swan]

tuning is an easy problem

[south kayak]

Better gameplay can't be

I think tuning should be a non issue, they've proven they can tune pretty decent

in raid at least

M+ is a lot more complicated

[summer quail]

thane tierset will get buffed. does that count?

[echo rapids]

With a big enough buff yeah it does

I still think giving the little storm procs high aoe is the easiest fix for the rest of tww

[young swan]

ask

[south kayak]

[echo rapids]

Make em little baby stormbringer tempests

[royal oxide]

So when you cleave on 5 targets and all 5 targets have 10 stacks. Is the chance to reap the storm increased or is it still just 20%

[young swan]

still 20%

[summer quail]

it's gonna get buffed. i don't expect it to be good still, but a buff is technically a "buff"

[south kayak]

I think they also need to make the ionizing strikes stand out because they have the same sfx and animation as Lightning Strike

[south kayak]

Doesn't work on AoE

Only your primary target

[tepid cedar]

lkol why do ppl say we have good st. we are getting beat in ST in raids, and m+

a buff to st is not bad, and good for a 5t cap

[young swan]

copium

[tepid cedar]

would make us desirable if we actually rocked 5t

and st

[south kayak]

Real

Fury should be top 1 on 5 targets

[young swan]

they should give us last emperors capacitor for heroic throw

[south kayak]

lmao

[young swan]

give it a follow on that makes it riccochet but drop in damage by 10% every time it bounces

[south kayak]

They need to make rampage Empowered

or quick time event

there are 4 strikes

you have to time them properly

to strike

fail and your character dies

[tepid cedar]

stil say our slayer 4 shjould make it so that rampage increased sd and execute more, say 2% stacks 5x, or make it so that SD empoweres ramapage

[olive wraith]

We’re above average. And if you increase our small target count damage we get nerfed (s1)

Doesn’t have to be logical that’s just kinda how it’s been

[tepid cedar]

we are not above avega

we are below average

[olive wraith]

For s3 currently?

[tepid cedar]

no im tlaking about now

[young swan]

s2*

[tepid cedar]

fuck s3

we arent even there yet

[olive wraith]

Idk seems weird to tune s2 at this point

[red berry]

they should make it so rampage makes you A-pose and every single 0.5 you autoattack for 500k that cleaves to everything uncapped. no animation since you're in an A-pose

[tepid cedar]

our s3 2p fkn rocks though

[clever path]

If someone wants to play warrior they should play paladin

[tepid cedar]

lolo good rets are out dpsing us in ST

and doing 2-3mil more overall

lol

[dense elbow]

Ye, but we buff them, so their damage is really our damage

[echo rapids]

I wish I liked Ret more

Half your attacks are you just standing there lifting your hammer up

[earnest canyon]

I don't like how it plays either

[red berry]

idk ret doing as much damagge as it does for free when i decided to actually gear mine up annoyed the shit out of me

[echo rapids]

It might be the least visceral and oomphy melee

Outside of the big hammer attack it feels more like a caster in melee

[red berry]

the longer range ret has is definitely to its benefit

[tepid cedar]

thats the one thing that ircs me as fury

[echo rapids]

Yeah for your damage number it’s good, feel is not though

[tepid cedar]

our range is shit

remember when rogues has 3x as much as range as we did lo

with llittle ass daggers lol

[echo rapids]

Every melee who plays a ret alt experiences that.

[earnest canyon]

I just find Templar clunky and unfun, and the sun-whatever spec has no reason to play it. Thankful im casual so dps doesnt really matter, but it must be annoying if you are in a mythic guild as a dps warrior against rets

[marble pilot]

PTR notes when. Sometime this hour right?

[slim coral]

Whenever the devs think its playable

[marble pilot]

Back to the mount grind then.

[tepid cedar]

After yearssssssss

[south kayak]

Gz

[quiet breach]

is this the first time blizzard has ever increased drop rates drastically like this for collectables?

[south kayak]

Yes

[quiet breach]

wait yo, how many characters can I farm ashes of alar on

is there a cap?

[orchid dagger]

As many as you can shove into TK

[quiet breach]

hmm, what level does a character need to be to do TK?

[quiet breach]

meant to reply

[orchid dagger]

36 is when you want to do it

[quiet breach]

why that level specifically

[lean nacelle]

legacy buff probably kicks in

[orchid dagger]

You get the benefit of older scaling at that point

Otherwise Kael will beat you with his belt

[quiet breach]

so, 36 or higher right? not just 36 specifically

[orchid dagger]

36+ yes

[quiet breach]

ah ok

ty

[tepid cedar]

Got it on my 3rd run

[quiet breach]

I got plenty of 36+ characters tbh

[orchid dagger]

Figure you need to be two xpac brackets above whatever content you are running

[tepid cedar]

But the guy I was with said he was on character 40

[quiet breach]

so if ashes of alar has 1.7% droprate, with the 10x buff that means it should have 17% droprate this month right? is that how multiplying percents works?

[last nacelle]

Mug'zee down ! let's go 😭

[sour frigate]

[orchid dagger]

Figure roughly 10%

[warm crag]

Verr'Minh

[tepid cedar]

Yea it’s not 10% blizzard trolled us in that

But if something was a sub 1% atleast now it’s 5%

[storm rune]

I give zero fucks about mount drops but all legendaries having a roughly 12% drop rate is kinda sweet, maybe I'll finally farm thunderfury

[upbeat blade]

I have 1 binding of the windseeker on like 6 characters, surely this time

[south kayak]

They said 10x not %

[undone flower]

finished first real raid with new guild, now i can be in fury fix waiting room

[slim coral]

wheres the datamined chagnes when you need em

[patent atlas]

is fury easier to learn over arms? i havent played warrior since legion

[slim coral]

both are pretty simple to learn

[olive wraith]

They’re both relatively simple

Fury might be a touch easier

[patent atlas]

is fury cd dependent? or can i just keyboard slam? i'm pretty bad at lining up cds

[olive wraith]

You kinda send stuff on cd

Like in raid BS doesn’t align with avatar pretty often but it doesn’t matter a bunch

I’m no parser but there’s like niche scenarios where maybe you’d hold stuff for avatar I think

[quiet geyser]

This is a lot more raid design knowledge than it is fury spec design. A.k.a. knowing when AoE moments are, or damage amps, etc.

[undone flower]

i see it everywhere now

[bitter palm]

HOOOOOOOLY

MACRO CHARGE TO EVERYTHING ARMS

(dont)

[olive wraith]

WOW FURY IS SAVED

[flat river]

SAVEDDDDD

wait this is mists

not saved

gg

[quiet breach]

dawg

I would've laughed so hard

if this was retail

the funny thing is

blizzard has given us no indication they will change warrior in next ptr build

its literally just hopium

[flat river]

yep

nothing

not even like

small change

or any notes saying they will

imagine they release us next season like that

lmao

[loud locust]

anybody know why i cant log in to the ptr of s3?

i downloaded it

[flat river]

maybe servers down

[young swan]

servers are down

[flat river]

they are like "yep this works for now"

[loud locust]

oh, any idea when its gonna be up?

[flat river]

nop

[full portal]

do you think avoidance or speed would be better for Mug'Zee?

[slim coral]

probably avoidance

[thick fossil]

Speed has never been an issue on that fight.

[dense elbow]

Leech wins

[modest condor]

leech gang

[sand crest]

leech is for hps padders, the real players play avoidance

[dense elbow]

HPS is the real endgame

[sand crest]

im 3k rio and 8/8 hc trust

[thick fossil]

So yeah, I've given up giving Blizzard any respect since they don't give us any. I don't see anything good coming for us in S3. It will be yet another season of crappy bottom of the barrel M+ play, and mid to lower raid.

[dense elbow]

So yeah, I've given up giving Blizzard any respect since they don't give us any. I don't see anything good coming for us in S3. It will be yet another season of crappy bottom of the barrel M+ play, and mid to lower raid.

[sand crest]

So yeah, I've given up giving Blizzard any respect since they don't give us any. I don't see anything good coming for us in S3. It will be yet another season of crappy bottom of the barrel M+ play, and mid to lower raid.

[thick fossil]

I get to be a copy/pasta now? Damn, right on.

https://tenor.com/view/ugh-gif-5621610198334958462

[pale lava]

we're gonna be good first 2 weeks while the execute phases last long enough to actually start ramping

[thick fossil]

Pfft, don't bet on it.

[pale lava]

actually you're kinda right, I had the new tier set in mind but not everyone is gonna have 4p week 1

[undone flower]

or warrior

[thick fossil]

Huh? Mug'zee is one of our better raid bosses.

[undone flower]

no i meant speed is not really something you lack as warrior

[jolly parrot]

do i have to fullclear Tempesst keep for alar?

or i can skip to last boss

[dense elbow]

Explains why u so slow

[thick fossil]

Oh, yeah. Exactly.

[olive wraith]

Tbf we aren’t bottom of the barrel

[undone flower]

if on a raid boss you need to think about speed on us, you have every speed raid cd on it 100%

like 2 charges of heroic leap one

[thick fossil]

In M+ were pretty low.

[olive wraith]

Below mid for sure

[modest condor]

i used to be avoidance gang, but they giga nerfed tertiaries this expansion, you're lucky if you even get up to like 3% avoidance, and there's not as much 1shotty mechanics in m+ anymore, so im playing leech this season/expansion

[olive wraith]

But def not the worst

[undone flower]

i am avoidance gang

[modest condor]

3rd worst is not the worst no you got that right

[red berry]

something tells me that the PTR isn't coming up

[thick fossil]

I can't say I've been fortunate to see much tertiaries this expansion.

[red berry]

also im leech gang myself

[dense elbow]

B) leech gang grows

[olive wraith]

Where’s the indestructible gang

[modest condor]

i liked when aug got buffed by 5% and all the redditors and discorders were crying about aug becoming meta again now

[undone flower]

fury patch note takes them so much time it seems

[modest condor]

and then it was still shit and nobody plays it

[olive wraith]

Hey it takes a long time to buff ww by 100%

[sullen dove]

Augs gotten buffed by 5% like 15 times this xpac

still bad

good

[dense elbow]

Another 120% ww buff would go crazy

[undone flower]

still #deleteAUG

[sullen dove]

Another 2% dps holy

[thick fossil]

Aug should never have been made.

[olive wraith]

It’s fine to have a support spec

Having 1 is dumb

[dense elbow]

Ww is 7% overall in m+ atm, Sword

[sullen dove]

Yea no

[modest condor]

more if you play the no-ss build

[undone flower]

one day reverb will work on full ww damage

[thick fossil]

They should of made it the tank spec and not some stupid ass class that causes small imbalance to become insane imbalances.

[olive wraith]

We just need more support specs

[dense elbow]

I like the pummel dam amp

[olive wraith]

Either add more, or delete Aug

[thick fossil]

Things like Aug and PI just really fuck up class balance. Period.

[undone flower]

why you didn't include your answer in the screen

[smoky vale]

i messaged him that

[undone flower]

oh it is typical love message, i see

[smoky vale]

get it bc hes on dented

[thick fossil]

Not every class can or will benefit from PI or Aug the same. Thus causing even more of an issue.
That's why they should have never made Aug.

[dense elbow]

It was Aug, now it is PI as well

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-getting-out-of-hand-now-there-are-two-star-wars-viceroy-jedi-gif-11488909

[smoky vale]

aug isnt bad

priest is a bigger offender than aug

🙂

[thick fossil]

I bring both up because they both compound why support style class/mechanics are a problem.

[dense elbow]

He will come for WFT next

Hide your buffs

[thick fossil]

WFT doesn't create such a glaring difference as Aug did, (before the trip to the graveyard).

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-cat-sleep-fat-cat-vasinud-cute-cat-vasinud-cat-tired-sleep-cute-cat-tired-sleep-gif-7452831568223052348

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/watermelon-eat-eat-watermelon-fox-gif-27677830

[undone flower]

I think aug is a bigger offender than PI, it is heresy against the mmo trinity, engraved in WoW

Trying to put 4th role without making room, it is the most stupid shit

Gladiator is also heresy btw

[winter shoal]

How is your gif so high fps

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-watermelon-shira-eating-big-eyes-gif-17267627046034401725

[thick fossil]

Cause all my foxes are in 4k!

[tepid cedar]

its a hard knock life, for ussss. its a hard knock life for usssss

[fickle yew]

I feel this in my soul, getting declined for 3-4 hours

[sinful spoke]

after 5 kills finally got it

[slim coral]

W

[sinful spoke]

raid for 1 or 2 weeks then break for burn out then back in august

[normal rover]

Gm
I have been playing fury warrior for a while , been in dungeon with many slayer talent fury and the do a huge Aoe damage comparing to my ilvl could any pro warrior show me a link of exact aoe burst damage or explain the rotation for aoe and single as slayer talent warrior

🌹🌹thanks in advance

[empty grove]

play tank

[tepid cedar]

if i understood this corectly. ur playing M+ as slayer. #1 playing as slayer has it moments, but u should be playing thane

cant help u if yuour not putting up logs to look at

[normal rover]

How can i get the logs

[wind torrent]

He means you have to install Warcraft logs app and start logging your dungeons so they can analyze them to tell you what you could potentially be doing wrong. Honestly it’s much easier to go on raider io, look at builds commonly used (which is thane, build is on the wowhead) and go on the wowhead website and look at the rotation guide.

[normal rover]

Sure I will do that , my observation was on the slayer they do much aoe dps than me as thane so that I wanna learn or know how and why

[wind torrent]

Oh, I see, yeah best bet is downloading the logs app. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download

There’s a good amount of YouTube vods showing you how to use it. If you’re unfamiliar

Then once you do a run and log it. Post here. I’m sure someone can take a look.

[normal rover]

Thanks alot guys 🌹

[olive wraith]

Consistently throughout the dungeon? That doesn’t seem right

[vernal laurel]

In lower keys slayer seems like it does a bit more dmg, but thane is doing a lot more throught the whole dungeon

[silk wharf]

All the other things about your dps will have a greater impact than the actual difference, on paper, of Thane vs Slayer.

Skill, pull size/cadence, gear etc.

[north geyser]

still no ptr build damn

[echo rapids]

Things are getting wild at Microsoft

[normal rover]

Yeah so that there is something wrong with me which I dont know what it is

[iron portal]

Sir have you tried +7 ? I heard you will surely get invited there !

[echo rapids]

9k layoffs announced today, might have just thrown things off

[north geyser]

yeah I just saw, but surely that won't impact the quality of next patch

[plush maple]

Wow canceled

[vernal laurel]

Was it not mostly in the social media team? And the 9k is from all over Microsoft if i understod it correctly

[unreal onyx]

Surely WoW devs alone will have 9k job layoffs

[iron portal]

It was some dev positions too. However i imagine they heavily reduced some hr staff

[flat river]

gg warrior dev kicked

surely now we will have a better one

[dense elbow]

Noooo, not the warrior dev!! Warrior dev was hired just a few hours ago!

[flat river]

he tried to buff us

[iron portal]

Dev wanted to make warriors great again

Ofc didnt deserve to stay

[dense elbow]

We are mid

[sinful orbit]

This actually seems decently balanced

[coarse nest]

Unironically yeah it’s actually pretty close

[plush zephyr]

The rise of fdk makes me v happy

[dense elbow]

I am glad ppl dont lash out at Aug for once

[high echo]

has there been an expac wwhere warlock doesnt end up on the top

[vernal laurel]

Imagine warriors topping this meter for once

[flat river]

this is new raid

or old

like

this season

[vernal laurel]

Old

[flat river]

or next one

[vernal laurel]

This season

[flat river]

oki

[vernal laurel]

Undermine

[high echo]

it did

season 1 it was the best dps for 1 week

still paying the price for it

[vernal laurel]

Good ol topping Heroic week pad meters

[high echo]

tbf having..reck+roar+ava+odyn in 1 gcd was kinda nutty

i miss it

[vernal laurel]

We are still paying the price for being to good in vanilla

[warm pewter]

do we know enough about next season if fury will be better than arms or similar in damage for m+

[gleaming siren]

Tuning is completely up in the air

but I see no world where Fury competes with Arms in overall

in normal keys

[warm pewter]

fuck it guess im going back to druid healing

[dense elbow]

I dont, as Odyn's was balanced around being able to hit for 2x, one part even free of GCD cost. Then add the 20 dam amp on it and follow up abilities... Causing the ability itself, Odyn's Fury, necessarily basically do 0 raw damage.

Problem is, even to this point, OF has not been buffed up to fit this new situation it is now in. It no longer buffs stuff 20%, it no longer buffs itself 20%, and it can no longer double up its damage, nor be cast off-GCD.

Lets just hope devs can accept that new situation as a fact already, and buff OF another solid 60% to make it a real CD ppl want to press.

[warm crag]

Hello schmidi

[gleaming siren]

spoogerton

[clever belfry]

spongieTV

[sour frigate]

KittyGPT

[oblique thistle]

Easy, give fury divine storm

Problem solved

[undone flower]

No.

[quiet breach]

new ptr build yet?

[sour frigate]

or at least a signet that acted like divine glory even with bigger cd

[gleaming siren]

Spongie as a Skyhold certified streamer will you be streaming the PTR tests next week?

[oblique thistle]

Yes

[undone flower]

I doubt in your Father.

Holy spells or AoE rampage is heresy

[oblique thistle]

I feel like an AOE rage spender would be healthier for fury as a way to both decouple our ST from our aoe while also giving the developers a significantly easier tuning nob for M+

I feel like even if they soft capped is beyond 5 right now as a bandaid fix it would still be hellish for them to balance because any time they touch any of our core abilities our performance will swing in both forms of content

[marble pilot]

Would need to make rampage not cleave then.

[tepid cedar]

lol at blizzard?

[fleet pasture]

well its the easy way out - im kinda against that kind of homogenization. dont want fury to be ret without the holy coat of paint.

[tepid cedar]

And they want to allocate resources to blocking addons… can you imagine the shit show and quality of next patch and Midnight.

Should’ve invested all that bullshit housing resources into actually finding a way to implement the game to use modern cpus properly and more efficiently

[marble pilot]

Yeah I just want them to decide what they want us to do.
If we are stuck at 5 we better be the best at 5.
If they want to fix aoe then how? Target caps?CDs not ass in aoe?
Or do they want to move us to funnel so its different. If so then the funnel needs to actually be useful.

Personally I would prefer that they remove all target caps then just rebalance classes. But thats probably an expansion thing not season thing

[echo rapids]

Microsoft

[undone flower]

There is multiple form of potential AoE spender, yes one of them is mimic ret/remove AoE part of rampage, but there is variation, like you keep or not meatcleave mech on builders

[oblique thistle]

There are plenty of ways they could make an AOE spender and have it be unique to fury for sure

[undone flower]

Or AoE spender has a cooldown

And you keep rampage meatcleave

[marble pilot]

Yeah. But at that point just make our cooldowns not bad.
I might be in the minority but I dont want more buttons. I want the buttons we do have to work.

[unborn delta]

Remove shityy “I press whirlwind every 3 attacks and it does no dmg but allows me to cleave” pls

[undone flower]

I meant cooldown of like 10 sec

[unborn delta]

And make whirlwind have a cooldown and do giga dmg or something

[oblique thistle]

They did make our cool downs not shit, and we got nerubar palace

At some point we have to throw our hands up and say "we clearly can't hit the mark" and come up with a new solution that allows for tuning to be easier

[marble pilot]

So we had not shit cooldowns for what a month? Meanwhile you have classes that burst like 40m with cooldowns and thats fine.

[undone flower]

For a full season, it was still the shit in raid

[oblique thistle]

And that's the major problem

These classes that are mega blasting in M+ are very well balanced in the raid

[marble pilot]

I guess they could do the boring this ability does X% more damage in 5 man content.

[oblique thistle]

Fury wasn't balanced in the raid, and you can blame the raid design sure, but that's clearly not how the dev team sees it

[marble pilot]

But I kinda hate that

Not saying I like this either but they could make the aoe more tied to procs. Like reap the storm. That makes it harder to just insta burst when adds spawn. But still be strong in m+.
Cause if I understand right we did too much damage on adds as they spawned in raid.

[clever belfry]

Fury was honestly no nearly as broken as meters made it out to be

those shit adds you killed wouldve died 4 globals later from some other class

[undone flower]

You can’t do that, bc most 5 man content damage profile is not over 5 targets (casual don’t do mdi pulls)

[clever belfry]

Fury was very good that tier, but so was arcane 🤷

[marble pilot]

I generally stick to around +12s and every time pug or not its still pull 3-5 packs and hero. Rarely do I see packs that are at 5 or less.

[dense elbow]

Truth gonnna true truth. Truth.

[undone flower]

12s is REALLY small minority until everyone overhear by a mile the content

[marble pilot]

Maybe on like +6s? Hard to tell what is casual in here. Some people think anything below +16 is casual. Some say its at like +6

[dense elbow]

Anything bellow the 1% marker is casual, 1% to 0.1% is the "triihard", and 0.1% is the tryhard

[undone flower]

+7 is the casual typical key lvl

[marble pilot]

Like whats the 5% mark on m+? I honestly have no idea

[dense elbow]

Noone does +7s

smh

[undone flower]

Because you get gilded crests

[dense elbow]

You do 12s for gilded

[unborn delta]

10 is casual bc it is lowest to fill your vault with myth track

[undone flower]

No one plays wow now

[dense elbow]

you dumb dumb

12s is the way

[undone flower]

Casuals key lvl

Is not 12s

[dense elbow]

12s are casual AF

12s are sip tea, while you watch youtube content

[marble pilot]

I think I see 6s for hero gear or 10s for vault most often.
Slowly becoming 12s for gildeds but not many peopl eneed gildeds anymore. Just scale up your lower crests

[undone flower]

You are top 20% score with all 12s

[dense elbow]

And?

[undone flower]

Casuals are under the 50%

[marble pilot]

Dude quoted himself

[dense elbow]

Yep

cause he didnt read it the first time

Happy never reads

smh

[undone flower]

I do separate this section of player base from casuals

[marble pilot]

Well hopefully we get the new build soon. Im still working on my evoker alt cause the 7 disintegrates is jsut cool.

[dense elbow]

We are casuals

what dooo you meaeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaeeaaeaenn

[marble pilot]

Just incase fury is still ass next season. I might swap....probably not cause zug is life. But maybe.

[woven valley]

I mean I’m a warrior player if the class is good or not

[undone flower]

People pushing between 20% and 0.1% are not casuals (in my opinion)

[dense elbow]

You opinion is wrong (in my opinion)

Anyone that just waffle about get anything from 0% to 99%

you need to put in some effort to be 1%

a lot more to be 0.1%

[marble pilot]

I generally am as well. But my team is already melee heavy and ive been doing more m+ lately. Just annoying sometimes when you are bottom of the pack even when you do well.

[dense elbow]

Casual is about effort

No effort content = casual content

99% is casual

[tepid cedar]

lol

Hunter… it’s fine… perfectly fine

[dense elbow]

I done larger numbers on current live

[tepid cedar]

Haha every pull?

[dense elbow]

Ofc not, but - I doubt gingi is doing 14m every pull either

[tepid cedar]

Video I was was just constant lol . Hunter is bugged thought right

[marble pilot]

Druid still bugged as well right. Doing like 60m starsurges

[tepid cedar]

lol

Wow

[dense elbow]

Isnt that intended? The whole build it up; tierset?

[marble pilot]

The treant they spawn is doing huge numbers for some reason. Then the tierset lets you do a % of what the treant does

[dense elbow]

60m for a build up thing in CDs seems totally fair

[undone flower]

Yes and 12s and over are effort content, non-casuals / middle class can be still doggo, but they do play for performance

[marble pilot]

No the treant is doing 60m as well. So you build up insane amounts.

[tepid cedar]

That’s wild

What are we getting guys

[dense elbow]

You can do the content with the 1button macro, sleep and nap. No, it isnt "performance required" content

[tepid cedar]

We are getting 80 mil

I’m sure

[dense elbow]

Bladestorm does what, 40m dam, not shabby

[limber oar]

-5% bladestorm dmg

[marble pilot]

Thane tier set change. 5 strikes on all targets and it resets cd of tblast when it gets a charge. ANd tblast does uncapped aoe

[earnest canyon]

a bucket full of dog poo, minus the cuket

*bucket

[limber oar]

Cucket is crazy

[undone flower]

I agree, but the intent is not on the game side to describe ppl, people doing mid keys, are bad but they do see their content as performance / why they see themselves above certain ppl in wow hierarchy

[marble pilot]

This is the druid bug

[dense elbow]

I have no clue what you tried to say Happy, too many words

make it few

[undone flower]

Ppl mid pushing see their content as tryhard, performance

[dense elbow]

So they are casuals, got it. Glad we on the same page.

[undone flower]

French phrases can be long, I know I mess up sometime with English

[dense elbow]

in WoW, it is pretty simple:
Are you the top 0.1%? No? Casual
Are you doing worse than Funkykitty on performance? Yes? You are a shitter.

[marble pilot]

Thats true for all games isnt it?

Not a maxed main with all megarares in OSRS then you are casual

[undone flower]

But to give you credit, I don’t consider midcore / semi-tryhard in French as an existing thing in raiding guilds

[dense elbow]

Ya a casual, hardcore or pro

no inbetween

[undone flower]

It’s more : you can’t do 2 half things, you do none of them at the end

Fooling themselves with the tag

[dull sierra]

i mean casual/hardcore is all perspective, a late tier aotc raider would consider any mythic raider hardcore, but a hof raider would say that like wr 1000+ is casual and that wr 50+ is hardcore

[dense elbow]

No, no ifs or buts. No. It is set in stone.

[dull sierra]

so whats hardcore then

[undone flower]

My main point for determining this, is intent, why they play / how they raid

[marble pilot]

Anyone better than me is sweaty no lifer. Anyone worse is a noob

[dull sierra]

real

[undone flower]

If you are making raid a job = you are a hardcore guild, even if it’s lfr raiding guild

To make it more obvious

[dull sierra]

okay but wdym by a job

[undone flower]

My point

[dull sierra]

i play fairly casually in my eyes but im still at a wr 200+ level

[dense elbow]

Is WR top 0.1%?

[undone flower]

Priorizing performance over casual shit (in my mind intent of performance is the main thing of what I see tryhard)

[dense elbow]

[dull sierra]

so spending time to work on your performance

i can see that

[undone flower]

Tryhard doesn’t mean hard content / or success in my mind

[oblique thistle]

Plenty of people who only raid at a heroic level care about performance

[marble pilot]

Yeah I only do heroic these days. But I still try to do the best I can

[dense elbow]

Are you the top 0.1% of heroic raiders?

Are you top 1%?

[oblique thistle]

No I don't give a shit about raid lmao

[dull sierra]

its an impossible question because like i said before its all perspective

[undone flower]

^

[dense elbow]

My rule lasts forever, golden and shiny

[oblique thistle]

Agreed salt

[undone flower]

Always fun to describe our perspective

[dense elbow]

No, it is fun to drag things down and force it to be a matter of perspective

as you cant lose that argument and most will agree

[dull sierra]

for me top 30 is tryhard (ive played at that level and its significantly more effort than where im at now)

[marble pilot]

I think I spend more time in here than I do playing these days.
I can be on discord at work. But I only play like 6-10 hours a week.

[dull sierra]

but for someone else top 200 is tryhard

[undone flower]

And…. we need to fill the gap until the best patch note ever

[oblique thistle]

For some people CE on its own is try hard lol

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-duck-pat-head-cute-gif-17539471

we all do

[oblique thistle]

I have a lot of very casual friends that only delve and they view my weekly 10s as hardcore content

It's interesting to think about

[marble pilot]

I enjoyed CE when I could do it. But then you know life. Now its more effort than I care to put in. Or rather I know if I went for CE then I would have to start playing at a level that I dont want to maintain again.

[dense elbow]

It really isnt interesting. You dont base standards at the lowest bar, but at its highest. Just because someone thinks paper is the most durable material in the universe, doesnt make it so, even if it is their perspective.

[coarse nest]

You guys are only considering skill level in this debate, a person could play 7 days a week 40+ hours and be considered more hardcore than the guy who logs 1-2 hours a few nights a week

[undone flower]

I don’t consider skill level in this, that’s my whole point

[oblique thistle]

Because usually when this discussion happens the subject of how difficult the content is comes up frequently

[undone flower]

You can be « hardcore/tryhard » and be doggo