and its kinda hard to only tell from the replay
#fury
split epoch
Hey guys! Does anybody have a SMF build? I know it is not optimal.
remote bobcat
Hey guys! Does anybody have a SMF build? I know it is not optimal.
just go the usual builds and remove vicious contempt to take smf
or remove deft
depending on
probably deft
deft sounds doodoo with smf
dense elbow
If you going for r1, cant you ask for a BoP or something of that effect, that allows you to go ballstothewalls and not have threat issues?
plush maple
Well of course! blizz should give warrior or just fury an ability that allows you to ignore threat generation or give your threat to someone else
pulsar quest
at this point in clear i just charge through the swirlies and let my healers take care of me
they wanna parse too ❤️
plush maple
they wanna parse too ❤️
So kind
remote bobcat
at this point in clear i just charge through the swirlies and let my healers tak...
i already give them a good time by standing inside p2 and p3 gallybux finale blasts
pulsar quest
me when i facetank every suppression with just a spell reflect
and hear a "ooph" in discord every time
pulsar quest
yeah i tank that too
remote bobcat
fair enough
pulsar quest
ignore all mechanics
remote bobcat
me when my ranged players tell me what im doing is unnecessary and stupid yet they dont realize the gigantic effect uptime has on our dps
summer quail
suppression is the fire
can stand on the edge of it with SR and dstance. live easily
remote bobcat
Nothing worse than ranged only players telling melee players to ignore uptime optimizations just to then follow it up with "lmao nice damage sucker"
remote bobcat
can stand on the edge of it with SR and dstance. live easily
i know.
thats what ive been sayin
and u dont need dstance
but yuh
you only need dstance as arms afaik
summer quail
maybe not, i dstance anyway. maybe if i kill it again i won't
remote bobcat
the lowest i dropped from SR only was like 10% hp
but i think i caught a suppression fire circle
in that
radiant coyote
ah like 3 second downtime, not the end of the world
dense elbow
Nothing worse than ranged only players telling melee players to ignore uptime op...
Doesnt beat your RL saying: "I want you to run to this spot every time!"
Me: "But then I wont have any uptime and will do no damage. Are you sure this is worth?"
RL: "Yes! Do it!"
After the boss dies:
RL: "The hunter isnt struggling, why your dam so low?!?!"
remote bobcat
Doesnt beat your RL saying: "I want you to run to this spot every time!"
Me: "Bu...
so u just reported that ur rlead is an idiot
remote bobcat
ah like 3 second downtime, not the end of the world
im not talking about prog. im talking about parsing. it absolutely is relevant.
dense elbow
I wouldnt say that he wasnt one 
remote bobcat
remote bobcat
^
pulsar quest
do what they say; when it doesnt work provide proof as to why you think otherwise after the night is over
dense elbow
^
remote bobcat
i told my rlead during prog I work for the group but after prog i want to pursue my own goals and he said thats completely fine
pulsar quest
during reclear u just say, hey after prog finished i turned my brain off sorry i only know damage
remote bobcat
therefore: parsing
pulsar quest
improtant note though
if you are wiping on reclear 10 times
just be ethical and kill the boss
and pray for a better kill next week
dense elbow
Prog: No deaths, no dam taken.
Farm: "WHY ARE YOU STANDING IN SHIT?!" I asked the healers, its fine, they enjoy it 
radiant coyote
Yeah but sometimes u just wanna kill the boss and be done, if everyone will do pursue their own goal u will endup reclearing for full raid night.
pulsar quest
off topic but does anybody know who dorki is talking about on the poddyc again
he keeps saying theres a Phys comp group
that times 21s with no comms
its either farovers group or kurims group
but i know for a fact kurims group uses comms idk about farovers
i would assume not tho
hardy bluff
off topic but does anybody know who dorki is talking about on the poddyc again
these guys i think
pulsar quest
i dont believe they are using no comms
timing 22s
if they are that is superhuman but theres no way
dapper monolith
hoary agate
All these meta sweats must feel bad seeing this and realising they have no Comms either
sullen tendon
No idea how this is accurate because all of these specs can still do more uncapped aoe than fury
sand crest
bear druid can do more uncapped aoe than fury
sullen tendon
truuuu
compact knot
No idea how this is accurate because all of these specs can still do more uncapp...
cause you dont need to do uncapped aoe to do good damage
sullen tendon
cause you dont need to do uncapped aoe to do good damage
in aoe you do
compact knot
outlaw has some of the biggest overalls ive seen this season
and its just a 8 target version of fury
arcane mage as well
sullen tendon
most pulls in m+ are over 5 targes
double pulls are common
any class that can do 8 or 8 beyond is doing 20% better than fury
also every other class has something that syas "casting x causes 400 lazers to shoot out that shoot knives that hit all enemies and those enemies explode into more knives
compact knot
you say that shit a lot but dont give examples
whole yacht
MM out dpses higher capped specs
Because explosive shot hits like a truck. Critting for over 10 million regularly.
compact knot
its cringe RNG though
can get 3 lock n load procs and blow a pack up, can go 8 minutes without one though
whole yacht
Yes
clever path
No idea how this is accurate because all of these specs can still do more uncapp...
Fury is poo poo
whole yacht
I've gone the entire first room of cinderbrew without procs. Then get 17 on the boss. Single target
Its great
compact knot
mm looks hella fun next tier ngl
sullen tendon
Fury is poo poo
compact knot
think im playing warrior/mage/hunter
whole yacht
mm looks hella fun next tier ngl
Yes.
compact knot
drop the dk
sour frigate
Ew
whole yacht
think im playing warrior/mage/hunter
Im probably dropping warrior. And going monk/mage/hunter
compact knot
heal or tank
whole yacht
Unless they cook before next season
whole yacht
Ww is getting some good shit. That looks super fun
compact knot
i might have to expand my pool a bit more
still 3 classes ive never played
4 actually
DH/Monk/Priest/Lock
whole yacht
Next season between monk and hunter. I may actually stay on retail instead of going all in on mop
whole yacht
yeah. not a WHOLE lot to do on mop
until later in the xpac
release was kinda. "do daily shit, log out or farm gold"
or "sell 2's to 1750" lmao
compact knot
yeah
whole yacht
sick. gonna level mine
compact knot
keep blacksmithing, drop engi, level inscriptioning
get my trinket and then go back engi
ez
whole yacht
lol
im just gonna do gathering
ore made BANK back in the day
can do it when im not on retail and im done with dailies on moip
mop*
ghost iron ore farming
i think thats what the ore was in mop
compact knot
valor point famr would make bank rn
free 20k gold
i thought you got more valor from raid
im only at 10k and i full cleared every single week
bitter palm
mm looks hella fun next tier ngl
idk i shafted some random on ptr with arms
he bursts insanely hard tho
diabolical burst
it was like a pack of 7 8 mobs and hoooly the burst was crazy but i caught up
also mm is capped no
plush zephyr
also mm is capped no
8? I think
graceful ruin
man I wanna find out the release date lol
slim coral
man I wanna find out the release date lol
for what
clever path
M+ Sep 1st
slim coral
no
clever path
Sep 1st
slim coral
Patch 11.2 Launch: August 5*
Season 3 Launch: August 12*
slim coral
Every time we have had turbolent timeways the patch/season has always started right after. So everything points towards the dates for 11.2/S3.
slim coral
Sep 1st is when what becomes fun?
earnest canyon
Sep 1st is when what becomes fun?
Not WoW, thats for sure
gleaming siren
slim coral
for sure
charred estuary
Single target
olive wraith
Isn’t it just standard st
marble brook
without spear right?
olive wraith
I think spear is a touch better. But you can aim the difference
They’re pretty close I think
slim coral
can someone give me a mythic mugzee build?
Code is: CgEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA0YYMbzMjlhBzswMzMMMDzstNGzMzCmZmZmxMjlhBmZAAAgYstMwCYAzwEYG2A
tender pulsar
just blast boss and hope u can skip as many phases as possible 
quiet breach
how hard is this discord gonna crash out if there's no warrior changes on PTR tommorow?
upper rose
We will make forum posts and rage bait everyone like dk discord
whole yacht
i will just play mop. simple
formal ravine
Patch 11.2 Launch: August 5*
Season 3 Launch: August 12*
I think patch 12th, season 19th
dapper goblet
most op melee wanting more changes...
sullen dove
silence best tier set having blue swine
(I don’t even know what it does I hear yappers in here saying it’s insane)
smoky vale
(I don’t even know what it does I hear yappers in here saying it’s insane)
40 something % ascendance uptime
yep
sullen dove
boring
dapper goblet
(I don’t even know what it does I hear yappers in here saying it’s insane)
yappers in here
yappers in skyhold never wrong or stupid or stink or smell
sullen dove
yes
modest condor
i would trust anyone in here over xeos
whole yacht
i would trust anyone in here over xeos
even me?
dapper goblet
i saved you from banner
goobers thinking it would be fun to run out to your op warlocks mages and boomkins dropping it for them
alpine steppe
Waduhek I just imported the slayer fury (SD) conditions WA and I got to press that shit all the time now.
marble pilot
Season 3 gunna be pressing it even more
Hopefully this week is our week. Gotta be some kind of changes coming right.
sullen dove
goobers thinking it would be fun to run out to your op warlocks mages and boomki...
They would be running to us first off my ass is not moving
But Ty for saving us from 100% banner uptime slave
only to force it on us s2 df with 100% reck uptime slave love uf
alpine steppe
u press execute alot
I just in previous was reading the rotational priority which basically came down to press exe on 3x marks and maintain juggernaut.
The WA always just said there is some minor conditionals to press otherwise.
But then its got me pressing it so much lol
lean heart
wowhead article about our tier sets has a typo
sullen dove
But then its got me pressing it so much lol
it’ll light up when you have 2 charges of sudden death probably too
To “not waste more procs and spend them when you get 2” which I don’t think really matters much
But yea that’s what I find most often to be the reason it seems to extremely persistently light up for me
You sd with 2 charges still have a charge then get another and looks like it wants you to do it again
quiet breach
what exactly happens if u spend SD
sullen dove
idk I think it’s more just to evenly spread out juggernaut as much as you can to keep it up the whole time
like if u have 2 charges there’s no harm buff wise to send one cause you may get another within the 12ish seconds of the first sudden death but almost definitely a proc after you spend your last sd to extend by another 12 seconds
but again like stupid shit don’t think matters
Next season gonna be nicer literally just “execute lights up and hit it”
Would only need a weak aura for sub 20% to actually know whether your now always active execute is a sd or not
south kayak
Did Archi write that article about the Warrior tier sets?
limber oar
south kayak
Only the Arms/Fury ones I guess
alpine steppe
I hope we play Slayer in keys next season, just for variety (I missed the short slayer period in S1)
south kayak
I'm really hoping they tune the thane set to the same level as the others
sullen tendon
(they wont)
(mid season tuning that increases the damage of it but not enough to make it relevant at all)
south kayak
They 100% know it's bad and even if they somehow don't, the article brings more attention
marble pilot
Im hoping we get some general changes this week or next. Was hints towards utility but who knows if it actually happens. They told DKs that grip will be used in raid and so far it isnt.
frank dawn
they'll make some random last minute change 2 weeks before patch launch, bout a 40% chance it will be good
such is the warrior way
median marsh
during fight - do i need to manually activate best in slot?
frank dawn
yes, you can macro it to a cooldown that's not your opener, or it's own keybind
south kayak
I don't know what their target % for the tier sets is but I'm pretty sure it isn't 2% this time
considering slayer/colossus are close to 20%
and I know a lot of tier sets are also powerful so idk
maybe it's not 20% but it definitely isn't 2-3% like Thane is
It's very simple to fix Thane's tier set. Make the Ionizing Strikes always proc and increase their damage by a shitton, and make the TB procs reset the CD of it
All mentioned in the article anyway
quiet geyser
such is the warrior way
Historically warrior gets nerfed just before a patch goes live. That's not good!
frank dawn
oh yeah for sure, that one will come through the monday before patch launch or week 1 of heroic raid
junior oyster
lol, this from the article made me chuckle
plush zephyr
facts
blissful delta
lol
south kayak
lol, this from the article made me chuckle
Real and True
is this an ionizing strike?
sweet palm
lol, this from the article made me chuckle
it is cool as fuck indeed
south kayak
More like noodle strike
remote bobcat
lol, this from the article made me chuckle
i dislike this sentiment, pressing tblast feels like shit
for me
pressing tclap even worse
earnest canyon
Only way to get bellagio or whatever rep (the raid rep for the damage buff), is to do the raid right? I couldnt play the game for weeks so missed loads of clears and am still on 12%
remote bobcat
Only way to get bellagio or whatever rep (the raid rep for the damage buff), is ...
just go in and clear the raid yea
earnest canyon
just go in and clear the raid yea
damn, I did that and im still not at 15% lmao
south kayak
edgy widget
Did Archi write that article about the Warrior tier sets?
and yes, though not the intro or protection (that's from nom)
south kayak
I figured it wasn't the intro because your name wasn't credited on the post itself
marble pilot
lol, this from the article made me chuckle
This is why I play thane whever I can. It is just the most fun spec to be.
sullen tendon
This is why I play thane whever I can. It is just the most fun spec to be.
ravager sucks tho
marble pilot
Eh i click it and ignore it. Cast on self
fading sky
Slayer deffo feels better to play
fading sky
Next tier furys runnin powerfull
fading sky
At least give me ra
sullen tendon
nope
fading sky
Warrior wont get shit
summer quail
I wonder if they will go a full void warrior option
they kinda did a bit in legion
sullen tendon
if thye ever make another spec for warrior it woudl be gladiator with 2handder + shield
fast mural
2+4p is a 20% dps increase ?
we are fucked nerfs are coming
sullen tendon
they kinda did a bit in legion
literally 1 spell
slim coral
if thye ever make another spec for warrior it woudl be gladiator with 2handder +...
not spec homie
fading sky
2+4p is a 20% dps increase ?
we are fucked nerfs are coming
Still sim below most brother🤣
slim coral
they're bringing new hero talents @sullen tendon
summer quail
literally 1 spell
1 spell and gave youu a bunch of shadow damage
sullen tendon
they're bringing new hero talents <@968188504007917588>
if anything they are just going to build off hte existing hero taletns adding new ones to it like they did with the legionfall artifact points
fading sky
Maan thane got fucked with tier
slim coral
if anything they are just going to build off hte existing hero taletns adding ne...
they're def gonna replace all hero talents
fast mural
they're bringing new hero talents <@968188504007917588>
you think they keep the current ones tho ?
thats gotta be such a mess
south kayak
It's to help it's lack of ST
red berry
it striking different targets
south kayak
With one target it's gonna strike 1 5 times
Ionizing strikes are ST, while more TB procs is AoE
edgy widget
yep
just a matter of the tuning being shit, and the set having very little gameplay feedback
red berry
i mean i get that but i dont feel like as it is its going to do a lot for AoE - seismic being fixed
sullen tendon
it would have been nice if they did hte ionizing strikes thing but just made all of them proc on the same target if you are only in combat with 1 enemy and do cascading aoe if there are more than 1 or 2
fading sky
just a matter of the tuning being shit, and the set having very little gameplay ...
It would need an insane buff
south kayak
You said something about the tuning target for tier sets and I'm wondering if it's going to be something like 20% since most tier sets are also that strong. I could be wrong though
Archi
edgy widget
you press TB, maybe you get Ionizing, maybe you get a TB charge back, but you can't use it for 3 more GCDs anyway, so it's very delayed gratification
and during those 3 GCDs you're pressing buttons which may now have a wasted chance to trigger TB again
brittle snow
I miss Odyns fury lol
fading sky
Horrid
red berry
itll probably get redesigned honestly
edgy widget
You said something about the tuning target for tier sets and I'm wondering if it...
it was just a disclaimer that we have no idea what their tuning target is for these sets 
fading sky
Well hopefully not 2.5% st
edgy widget
but they have been more lax about making sure all the sets are within a range, and more willing to make some abnormally strong and other abnormally weak sets lately
south kayak
itll probably get redesigned honestly
It doesn't need to be redesigned, all that needs to happen is that TB always procs ionizing strikes (with buffed damage) and the strikes resetting TB cd too
that's all it needs
IMO
edgy widget
I miss Odyns fury lol
it's decent since the hotfix, even slightly better in heavy AoE content
high echo
It also needs to be more than just "whirlwind but better"
south kayak
I was talking about the thane set
edgy widget
If they really wanna retain the current bonuses, make Ionizing Strikes 100% chance and make the TB proc reset its cooldown
high echo
I was talking about the thane set
Ah
south kayak
If they really wanna retain the current bonuses, make Ionizing Strikes 100% chan...
Add in Ionizing Strikes buff and we're gucci
winter shoal
2p 0.1% goes 🅱️razy
high echo
If they really wanna retain the current bonuses, make Ionizing Strikes 100% chan...
This is a great idea actually
south kayak
600% ionizing strikes buff along with that
Silm said that he thinks maybe they'll rework it since they didn't tune it this/last ptr build
vapid spade
hope for odyns buff in 11.2 <.<
edgy widget
they did just buff it a couple weeks ago
dense elbow
hope for odyns buff in 11.2 <.<
same
vapid spade
yes but i want it to be worth playing again xD
edgy widget
it is worth using now
sullen tendon
i used odyns in a couple dungeons and it still onl odes like 3-4% of overall
i don think they ever reverted the targets change
it used to hit moreenemies
ornate gust
how strong our tier set comparing to other classes? 🧐
dense elbow
Does it matter? What matters are how we are balanced compared to other classes overall
sullen tendon
how strong our tier set comparing to other classes? 🧐
being inside a portapotty and someone tips it over
ornate gust
Does it matter? What matters are how we are balanced compared to other classes o...
tbh it does matter so the RL trades the tier sets to me first 😅
edgy widget
i used odyns in a couple dungeons and it still onl odes like 3-4% of overall
I mean it's not amazing, but it is playable; pretty much an even ST/AoE trade
edgy widget
it's actually slightly better in high AoE settings
edgy widget
how strong our tier set comparing to other classes? 🧐
they're all over the place
edgy widget
it used to hit moreenemies
na, they soft capped it ages ago; they just didn't add it to the tooltip until this xpac
sullen tendon
na, they soft capped it *ages* ago; they just didn't add it to the tooltip until...
they reduced hte damage from 8 targets to 5 targets in the nerf streak from last patch
dense elbow
It went from softcap 8 to softcap 5, no?
sullen tendon
before falloff
modest condor
yeah
dense elbow
Just revert that change, and buff TR portion by 15% additional dam, and OF is in a decent spot
sullen tendon
i wish they would jsut make up their mind on what should do our aoe daamage
dense elbow
Reap and Thunderous blast, probs
red berry
the TB proc resetting CD would make it good for AoE
sullen tendon
yea feels like they intenionally nerfed odysn fury just so poeple would rely more on hero talents
red berry
they nerfed odyns due to season one crimes
dense elbow
Perhaps, I think they just did it to balance raid encounters
sullen tendon
they nerfed odyns due to season one crimes
yea no one playing mountain thane
red berry
thats a weird way to say raid
dense elbow
Thing is, they want our profile to be flat. So it makes sense. Just be glad they didnt decide to nerf it more just for fun.
There are like a couple of devs pushing for OF to be good, and a couple more against that idea. Feeling it crashes a bit with what they want from Fury 
sullen tendon
Mountain thane in theory would be nice but it makes the fast class slow and makes you take talents that are boring to play with
and the rng and gcd shit is annoying
modest condor
the TB proc resetting CD would make it good for AoE
it wouldnt lol
would be like 5% instead of 3%
dense elbow
They are not going to let us be week 1 season 1 tww op again
Sure they will, then nerf us 4 times in a row, till we are so weak in M+ that you feel bad playing the game with friends.
Dont worry tho, we will be decent and good in raid. So it is fine
hardy wadi
is there already some testing or numbers on slayer season 3 and sudden death? anyone think the weakaura will be outdated for all the factors to push the button? i mean with a 100% change to proc slayer strike with 10 stacks do we still wait for 3 marks? anyone knows this ? :D
winter shoal
is there already some testing or numbers on slayer season 3 and sudden death? an...
AS OF NOW it's basically enrage > SD (any stacks, any duration) > ramp > raw exe > rb > bt
hardy wadi
so when i have 2 stacks of sudden death i just pump them enraged
im really excited for the new season, i love slayer
winter shoal
You'll still care about SD, AJ, and MFE stacks/duration, but for the most part youll just send exe whenever you can
hardy wadi
thanks
winter shoal
so when i have 2 stacks of sudden death i just pump them enraged
Pretty much yeah, you'd do the same with 1xSD as well tho
dense elbow
New season thanks to (2) will be great
winter shoal
You sometimes hit 2xSD during BS and whatnot tjough
fast mural
"just send" gameplay
winter shoal
New season thanks to (2) will be great <:wicked:937093876857045012>
Next step is just to make the spec actually do dam
fast mural
just like our CDs
hardy wadi
do you also have info on raging blows ? i mean it reads nice i guess the 4 piece set effect
fast mural
meh
dense elbow
Doing dam would just be a neat bonus Its not expected
winter shoal
do you also have info on raging blows ? i mean it reads nice i guess the 4 piece...
Basically same prio as it is now, I think the BT vs RB on aoe target count changed but idr to what, @modest condor might know
hardy wadi
would be nice if the weakaura for bt stays updated
fast mural
we still use it at 100% crit chance no ?
hardy wadi
so no stacking to 85% crit?
winter shoal
So in that sense you don't need the WA at all
dense elbow
Ya will send it when crit is stacked up 
hardy wadi
so its just a better filler
sullen tendon
do I still need to hit RB over rampage
winter shoal
Let me double check the sim but I'm p sure you don't care about crit
dense elbow
Not more than we already do, Bobby
winter shoal
do I still need to hit RB over rampage
Depending on rage and charges yes technically but yeah same deal as now
inner zinc
based on the tier sets, are we more likely to be going slayer for M+?
hardy wadi
and is there any new info about reckless abandon over anger management?
fast mural
wait for thane tuning
fading sky
Thane is tuned perfectly
fast mural
wouldnt RA be more of a ST thing ?
hardy wadi
i heard it has better cooldown management
dense elbow
based on the tier sets, are we more likely to be going slayer for M+?
Slayer do get more prio dam, and do get some bladestorm value from the strikes. But...
If Thane is tuned right, and isnt a dud like it is atm. Then Thane will likely win out due to just doing more dam.
Might be a question of bringing Slayer, is our ST just is that much better tho - AND Fury Warrior AoE dam is still dumpster tier like this season.
inner zinc
so it might be slayer, still more likely it ends up being thane
dense elbow
Ye, what I guess will pan out
winter shoal
I was mistaken, you do still do BT crit conditional over raw RB at least in the latest sims I've seen
dense elbow
But I will be happier playing Slayer next season tho
fast mural
they will make sure thane will be better
dense elbow
We all do
fast mural
i hope we play RA in raid
winter shoal
and is there any new info about reckless abandon over anger management?
RA like 2-3% behind last I checked
fast mural
its realy fun the way it is now
hardy wadi
and then nohkud first pull :3
hardy wadi
RA like 2-3% behind last I checked
i see :D thanks
young swan
2+4p is a 20% dps increase ?
we are fucked nerfs are coming
theres a lot of specs like that
fast mural
19th when raid opens
slim coral
august 12th is most likely the start date assuming blizzard keeps up their 8 weeks cadence yes
fast mural
or 26th
slim coral
also the season always starts after timeways ends
olive wraith
i miss dragonflight season 3 tierset with odyns fury
🥰
hardy wadi
i just see
timeways end on 6.th august
on eu atleast
sooo 12. august seems pretty valid
slim coral
timeways end on 6.th august
yeah so the predicition assuming everything stays as it has been is that Patch 11.2 Launch is on August 5*
Season 3 Launch is on August 12*
edgy widget
it wouldnt lol
that's almost twice as strong lol; obviously it needs more than that to keep up with the others, but it would make the bonus significantly better
inner zinc
make it so the tier set allows us to have 4 stacks of Tblast and make Tblast eat up to 2 stacks for a big payload
big dopamine
burnt oxide
or just let it ignore the given 2 stack count for the setproc only
young swan
would be down for a supercharged tbalst
olive wraith
would be down for a supercharged tbalst
Increase sound/size
edgy widget
make it so the tier set allows us to have 4 stacks of Tblast and make Tblast eat...
neat idea, though maybe a bit overly complicated and kinda throws off the natural gameplay loop
edgy widget
I think it's more likely you would just have the 4p take a page from Slayer and add a line that says "increase the damage of Thunder Blast by 20% and..."
inner zinc
odyn's a bum, fuck that dude
young swan
yeah we need thorim
south kayak
There’s one problem
edgy widget
just one?
edgy widget
we do, just all our good stuff goes to other classes
burnt oxide
lets get inspired, with better numbers tho
edgy widget
lets get inspired, with better numbers tho
That's Seismic Reverb
olive wraith
odyn's a bum, fuck that dude
Would you say you have odyn fury. Since he makes you mad
burnt oxide
yeah kinda tbh, im not that inspiring tho
inner zinc
Would you say you have odyn fury. Since he makes you mad
he makes me sad. He's washed up, a has been
south kayak
Someone said it could leave behind a lightning ground effect but that sounds bad when mobs have to move
inner zinc
we also used to have a talent like that no?
olive wraith
Someone said it could leave behind a lightning ground effect but that sounds bad...
Make it tether
edgy widget
it's really not that complicated tbh; the bonus isn't bad from a mechanics standpoint, it just needs some refinement
- make Ionizing Strike 100% chance to proc on TBlast, so that the 2p has better feedback
- add "increase the damage of TBlast by 20%" to the 4p, to beef up the damage
- allow 4p procs to reset the cooldown on TBlast, so that the value isn't so delayed
tune damage and proc rates as necessary
olive wraith
Ya we really do need a reset at the very least
burnt oxide
yeah that is the most feasible, sticking to the original idea
south kayak
it's really not that complicated tbh; the bonus isn't bad from a mechanics stand...
Would you not buffing the ionizing strikes?
edgy widget
read the literal last sentence
edgy widget
no I didn't lol, it was there from the start
south kayak
no I didn't lol, it was there from the start
Damn
slim coral
edgy widget
also buffing the proc rate of Ionizing Strike from 35% (actually more like 15%) to 100% is a damage increase, though it still needs more than that
south kayak
What if they made it so Odyns fury interacts with thunder blast
Thorim’s Fury
edgy widget
What if they made it so Odyns fury interacts with thunder blast
they won't
burnt oxide
wouldnt make alot of sense rn
south kayak
Thunder blast is basically an odyns fury you use more and looks cooler
Forget about OF
slim coral
not really
modest condor
every instance of OF damage triggers a thunderblast
slim coral
W silm
modest condor
hit 20 enemies? 20 thunderblasts
inner zinc
balanced
slim coral
now we're cooking
modest condor
times 8 because that's how often it hits
young swan
and they all proc seismic reverb
winter shoal
every instance of OF damage triggers a thunderblast
YOOO
dense elbow
every instance of OF damage triggers a thunderblast
That would be... a lot of blasts... mutliple hits, the DoT, multiple targets
game would crash
south kayak
Game would definitely crash
slim coral
the amount of dopamine would go crazy
south kayak
And you’ll die to aggro
dense elbow
it prob would look hella crazy cool
olive wraith
Could call it chain lightning
inner zinc
game would crash
good. if we cant be great, they cant play
young swan
that would be a sick visual tho
pretty sure ur game would lock up and would only unfreeze with u on the floor
south kayak
Chain lightning does not look that cool
slim coral
pretty sure ur game would lock up and would only unfreeze with u on the floor
I'll take that trade off
smoky vale
Chain lightning does not look that cool
tempest does though
south kayak
Just pull the entire dungeon, use OF, get disconnected and come and your m+ key is done
inner zinc
you know i almost hope they dont balance thane set around raid but instead around m+
or that them balancing it for raid makes it really good for M+
dense elbow
Just pull the entire dungeon, use OF, get disconnected and come and your m+ key ...
Fury Bomb - the new meta
modest condor
thane also needs help in m+ setting
south kayak
But it does shit damage
south kayak
thane also needs help in m+ setting
I know, but it needs more help with raid ST
inner zinc
thane needs help plain and simple
dense elbow
As a Slayer player, in M+, I can only be happy this is your turn to be shit
skill issue, go Slayer
south kayak
If the thane set comes out with all the fixes we’ve talked about
It would be pretty insane in m+
You’ll be spamming thunder blast in aoe
And it’s not hard capped
sullen dove
dense elbow
That would kill Slayer off from M+ tho
inner zinc
they could soft cap Tbblast at 8 instead of 5 too
south kayak
I know, should stay that way
edgy widget
better than thane in M+ right now
dense elbow
Right now?
edgy widget
on the PTR, yes
south kayak
They haven’t buffed the lightning strike in a long time
dense elbow
Fair, that kind of right now
south kayak
It’s way far down now
dense elbow
But that cause Thane clealry isnt functioning right now
edgy widget
within the context of the conversation, which has been completely centered on S3 tier sets, it is "right now"
south kayak
Can’t wait for the thane tier buffs
dense elbow
Water is wet, in that case
edgy widget
technically not, but keep trying to deflect, you'll get there eventually!
south kayak
Too far
dense elbow
inner zinc
i want Tblast nukes, buff it 100%. No im not unreasonable
south kayak
That would probably make it better than slayer in ST but I think they should buff the lightning strike
It’s a ST damaging passive
That’s the only way to tune thane ST
And they haven’t done it for a while
Only buffing TB
dense elbow
They could buff Thane hero talent nodes that affect rotationals, to buff ST - no?
south kayak
It’s still cleave
inner zinc
if a dry no enrage TB isnt top ST priority buff it more 
south kayak
The best way is lightning strikes
sullen dove
Lightning strikes also cleave… 
inner zinc
buff it anyway
south kayak
Lightning strikes also cleave… <:detective:912341312907378689>
Well, it has a portion that is cleave but its separate from lightning strike itself
dense elbow
I dont remember, is it divided into two different things - ST hit and a AoE splash part, or is it a ST hit that also splashes based on the ST hit?
south kayak
You’re talking about the ground current talent
They can buff them separately, they have before
sullen dove
Thought it was just like “25% of lightning strike dmg is aoe on targets around it”
dense elbow
If they are divided, sure, then ya can prob buff lightning. But wouldnt that start to move into the value of the other talent choice nodes?
sullen dove
make slayer use onslaught and make thane use odyns
dense elbow
Slayer already use Bladestorm tho
Onslaught kinda fits more into the Thane fantasy of hitting things with hammer. Just give it stormstrike damage as Thane and a dam amp.
Could be a neat visual and add always calling lightning
south kayak
This can be tuned separately
dense elbow
We took your word on it, dont worry
south kayak
oblique trail
weeb
dense elbow
If it was lighning themed tho, it would be a neat way to make Onslaught a button that is interesting
olive wraith
Left side is dead
fast mural
https://tenor.com/view/kanikou-pictomancer-hammer-ffxiv-pictomancer-gif-72200048...
thats demolish if we could have nice things
unreal vale
is their any change announced for the fury war next season or nothing new on the horizon ?
coarse nest
https://tenor.com/view/kanikou-pictomancer-hammer-ffxiv-pictomancer-gif-72200048...
That’s a big hammer
sullen dove
Idk what kinda dogs u got where you’re from but uh
that I believe looks like a verifiable meower
dense elbow
That is one wonky moveing cat
Its fine, I dont judge, it is fine.
So:
- Dont kill cat
- Please take cat to vet
smoky vale
Idk what kinda dogs u got where you’re from but uh
MEOW
smoky vale
cat chillin
MEOWWWW
echo rapids
is their any change announced for the fury war next season or nothing new on the...
So far we wait
sullen dove
the announced change is 20% dps increase with tier set
coarse nest
Will not nerf
clever path
That = 20
narrow fossil
Warr needs a rework so badly
clever path
They should delete warrior and reintroduce it as "Fighter"
Especially arms, feels the same since classic
more
unreal vale
the announced change is 20% dps increase with tier set <:wicked:9370938768570450...
doesnt change the design flaws... Like hard cap
upbeat plume
clever path
Make Vulpera do 50% more damage on warrior so it becomes Meta
olive wraith
Warriors are human only
dense elbow
Nelf is BiS
chilly fractal
Human... gotta be able to hearth twice
celest sierra
Did I do something wrong with that ?
dense elbow
You posted in everywhere too, so yah
earnest canyon
Did I do something wrong with that ?
- Keep self promotion to promotion
celest sierra
Ohh I’m sorry
earnest canyon
also its nothing related to wow or warrior
sullen dove
The only unsolicited links to be sent here are gifs of silly animals
but hope ya win seems coo
earnest canyon
im not clicking it, but what do u win?
edgy widget
Yeah, no disrespect, but it's really not appropriate for this server; even in promotion - it's unrelated to the server and World of Warcraft in general
dense elbow
A virus and a pat on the head
celest sierra
20,000$ and a luxury date + face on magazine
earnest canyon
must be like $1000000
celest sierra
No worries guys sorry about that won’t happen again
You guys were much nicer the Dk server insta kicked me
sullen dove
lole
I mean you also def been a chatter here a good bit only reason wasn’t insta sus
celest sierra
Yeh sorry again about that 🙏🙏
sullen dove
edgy widget
You guys were much nicer the Dk server insta kicked me
if you weren't a semi-regular chatter, I probably would have 
but I always check post history first
sullen tendon
oh my god its taht one icon i fucking hate
dense elbow
I havent had time or effort set off for PTR, so I will just ask here in case someone knows. What is the CD on BS at on the PTR ish?
quiet geyser
Relatively the same, maybe a few seconds faster due to executing more
south kayak
Someone said you could fit 2 bs inside avatar
narrow fossil
Is nex traid better for melees or for rangeds?
modest condor
Someone said you could fit 2 bs inside avatar
yeah sounds about right, avatar lasts 28 seconds if you use both reck and avatar
frank dawn
just take a little good luck plus the extra AM cooldown you get on your opener with the extra strikes
I was kinda curious if the set bonus would make Bladestorm pretty reliably hit a ~30 second cooldown
you can luck into that now, but I wouldn't say it's reliable
quiet geyser
Keep in mind, aside from a patchwerk ST type fight, good chance you hold quite often anyways
frank dawn
yeah true
edgy widget
Relatively the same, maybe a few seconds faster due to executing more
it's noticeably faster - you execute sooner, which means less marked stacks per execute, but also more slayer's strikes, which translates into more marks
young swan
yeah its pretty wild how quickly u get BS back
getting 2 bladestorms off in 1 cd window was pretty common while i was testing
so ~20-25s cd
dense elbow
20-25s, now that makes me hyped
willow cradle
sheesh
indigo arch
With any hope they also tune fury better for m+ to go with this, id love to be free of thane
brisk talon
dumb question - are the sims coming from current 2pc/4pc to the new tier, or from no tier at all to the new tier
dense elbow
If it pushes it to 20-25, you can get a pretty nice lineup with reck/Roar/OF as well, granting quite a bit of more AoE power and not not to mention punch from BS value alone.
Hopefully, in the ideal scenario, Thane will lead sustained AoE by a bit - but be far behind on ST comparably. So we got two options. Flat sustained DPS, and more spiky AoE that helps clean out trash mobs, so the cleave damage can more easily hit value targets.
One will grant more targeted value, other just more overall value. Allowing us to play a gamestyle that fits personal wants and goals.
quiet geyser
Man i just want onslaught to be great again
quiet geyser
Ya no.
olive wraith
With any hope they also tune fury better for m+ to go with this, id love to be f...
Boooo. Thane cool
restive peak
Man i just want onslaught to be great again
…who wants to tell him there’s a chance
Because THERES A CHANCE
alpine steppe
I remember finding onslaught to be ok but I'm still somewhat new to warrior and only got a season of it.
oblique thistle
Slayer this, thane that, I just can't wait to be completely smoked in aoe next season!
oblique thistle
We scale with gear surely
jolly marten
and we can only hope that the set will see some further refinement over the coming weeks. @edgy widget you scare me, its only hope? i think its certain that its gonna be changed, like 110%.. no? no?
modest condor
s-word alert
olive wraith
Only fun part is thunderblast
Let’s be real slayer is no different
indigo arch
Surely we scale and magically do as much as other melee including enhance and ret and uh
oblique thistle
s-word alert
Diabolical reaction time
modest condor
i happened to be reading along
olive wraith
Fuck it give fury divine storm
Wake of ashes*
olive wraith
Wake feels good to press though
dense elbow
We mentioned OF and scaling with gear back to back... I... I... I...
dense elbow
We scale with gear Buff OF 51% We are fine, everything is fine, its fine
indigo arch
Just undo the horrible RA change and buff odyn and thunderous back already
Enough paying for the sins of being meta in a prepatch and heroic nerub
oblique thistle
Nope we had our time in the sun
It's time to let the other specs have a turn
(please do not look at any other expansion)
indigo arch
Although that new tier it might not matter if they unfuck RA
jolly marten
Enough paying for the sins of being meta in a prepatch and heroic nerub
not even meta.. just snipping low life mobs in low keys and deleting packs that dont matter anyway
indigo arch
Screams another tier of AM
dense elbow
I kinda feel it is time for Aug to get a time to shine, them and Shadowpriest has been down for so long
It is their time now
winter shoal
Although that new tier it might not matter if they unfuck RA
RA could still overtake AM with numerical tuning, but it still feels pretty clunky imo
It's ~4% behind rn
indigo arch
I agree buff the caster God comp they're oppressed
Damn uh dks taking their spots :(
sudden tusk
indigo arch
That prepatch is what fury could have been
olive wraith
They’re gonna buff us by Wednesday I know it
dense elbow
I hope they just nerf everyone else I want to feast on their tears and rage
olive wraith
Auto attacks with smf talented has a chance to slayer strike
dense elbow
🗡️
🗡️
oblique thistle
In all seriousness if the only thing they change is our tier set I'm just not going to play my warrior this tier
young swan
probably for the best
go play a more fun class and gain perspective on just how bad warrior is
olive wraith
Most likely gonna stay as arms
dense elbow
Hoy, Xan, rude
oblique thistle
I already have this tier on a couple of alts haha
pseudo rampart
Hey people. Fast question, is fury performing well in raids at the moment, or is it all about arms?
young swan
I think the most whiplash you can get is going to play ele shaman and then coming back to warrior
olive wraith
Raid is pretty even (s2)
oblique thistle
It's criminal how my demo lock that's 10 ilvls lower than my warrior just completely dumpsters him on AOE and overall
young swan
it literally feels like going back to the stone age
young swan
Hey people. Fast question, is fury performing well in raids at the moment, or is...
yeah both specs are good in raid right now
dense elbow
Good thing cavemen are who we are, stonetools is what we want.
pseudo rampart
cool thank you
dense elbow
Future boyos with your blinky lights and no nightsky can have your elemental sapsapzoomzoom.
I boink rock with stick
Me happy
indigo arch
They can do whatever at this point, they either make fury not a boring funnel dps bot or I just play colossus arms
Since once again arms tier is gonna be straight up better and by a margin lmao
Seeing the actual thane tier numbers is comedic
latent hedge
https://x.com/wowclassicdevs/status/1939791070264688849
1.5m cd resets for retail next????
olive wraith
They can do whatever at this point, they either make fury not a boring funnel dp...
I hear a bring back anni 
tepid cedar
ok, has anyone experienced a probelm where house of cards jsut desyncs from avatar. legit watched on pul both get used. be 1 sec apart, then avatar was ready 10 seconds b4 HoC somehow
indigo arch
I hear a bring back anni <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
Hell bring it back idc, that version was better too
latent hedge
ok, has anyone experienced a probelm where house of cards jsut desyncs from avat...
double on use?
tepid cedar
BiS. but im not using bios on pull
latent hedge
probably is what is desyncing it then
olive wraith
ok, has anyone experienced a probelm where house of cards jsut desyncs from avat...
Raid or keys
tepid cedar
raid
olive wraith
Nvm my guess is gone
tepid cedar
wonder if its server lag
but i lkegit sat there and watched it, and it slowly starting desynching timners lol
whole yacht
probably is what is desyncing it then
not possible.
if not using bis on pull with ava, then it will not desync hoc and ava
whole yacht
wonder if its server lag
this is the most likely reason, it also could be something insanely obscure
modest condor
not possible.
absolutely possible, but not the reason in this case
whole yacht
in the scenario given, how is it possible
tepid cedar
it has to be server lag
modest condor
if you use bis after 80 seconds
tepid cedar
only thing i can think off
modest condor
then hoc will be on cooldown for 10 seconds when avatar comes off cooldown
tepid cedar
but i used BIS soon as 20 sec cd was done sil
modest condor
hence "not the reason in this case"
tepid cedar
then legit i saw the timer somewhow get further apart. it was mid a mugze pull. so i couldent jsut sit there and looked but happened every pull
so im guessing it has to be server lag/desync
modest condor
are you playing with a holy paladin
slim coral
silm is a genius confirmed
tepid cedar
i didnt even think about it but we did have a holy and i noticed my other cds were a bit faster
jsut never crossed my mind about autum
summer quail
drop Titanic for AJ
dense elbow
That is a no-go, OF is sacred
summer quail
your odyns will still do damage. just less qol
charred flint
is fury any good at mop
summer quail
yes, but not at the start of MoP
dense elbow
This is my dam breakdown on PTR, it seems really off based on what I seen other post
cinder wren
Massacre is back on the menu next season?! My beloved
dense elbow
Execute is kinda low, and that is with me sending a bit too many executes, thanks to the dummy being in range
olive wraith
Massacre is back on the menu next season?! My beloved
Doubt
cinder wren
Damn
dense elbow
This scuffed from my side, or this the same as ppl see?
olive wraith
SD procs will do the heavy lifting
No sense talentting into letting you exe 10% early
At least I assume
cinder wren
I'll still settle for wanting to push execute more next season hopefully lol
young swan
Massacre is back on the menu next season?! My beloved
definitely not
dense elbow
Ok, with no raw execute on dummy casts, only SDs
I am so very confused why I dont get that sweet 
as #1, as other have
olive wraith
Zzzzzzz rb
dense elbow
this is more what I was shown, so guess they just pressed exe on CD
inflating the numbers
modest condor
are you spamming raging blow on cooldown or something
how are you getting 25% damage
dense elbow
If I wont overcap rage, I send RB, RB goes before everything else other than SD procs. Basically.
slim coral
I reimported my character with all the meta gear and it does way more dmg
kinda dumb
ring belt op
slim coral
I am so very confused why I dont get that sweet <:Execute:592471626533306378> a...
you aren't prioing execute enough
if you arne't literally pressing it on cd you're doing it wrong
dense elbow
I press it if I got a SD proc (as dummies do allow you to cast it on CD)
I showed you if I press it on CD :v
I am just askin' if I am seeing something that is obviously wrong, or if I am closer to right and execute is being inflated on what is shown by ppl spamming exe on CD (as you can, on dummies in exe range)
dense elbow
I even overcast exe and got it kinda far behind, guess I will give it another spin or two. See if I cant iron this weirdness out
floral frigate
another odd thing in those screenshots, is theres only 6 hit different, and basically same crit, yet your execute dmg is way lower
well percent wise
and nvr mind i didnt look close enough
dense elbow
Dont worry, execute basically always crit
Meh, I give up for now. I keep pressing execute without a SD proc now I just wanna press execute
Either way, it is a lot of damage 
modest condor
it looks to me like you're just spamming raging blow at the cost of your other abilities ¯_(ツ)_/¯
compared to my breakdown literally everything is lower except for raging blow
dense elbow
Nothing else to press, so meh.
Well, I could press BT, ww, so on - but ya know what I meant
exe vs rb crits
actually kinda close
RB is a strong button indeed
slim coral
yes only on SD
but the thing about SD is you don't want it to double stack
so you gotta really prio it
dense elbow
Well, that is why I send it on CD
slim coral
like if you have a stack before going into bladestorm and bs is up you send the sd first
dense elbow
I had 42 applications, sent execute 44 times
I am always a tad too overeager
You play oppertunist?
dense elbow
Meh, back to dummy I go. I gotta be doing something really weird wrong with RB casts atm
dense elbow
I believe it
old jetty
do you think arms would be better for season 3?
slim coral
There is no possible way of knowing this early
dense elbow
Probably, if we base it on what little we can base it on
I would just wait a month or so, for numbers to actually trickle in that is more than air
olive wraith
do you think arms would be better for season 3?
#updates-midnight very very preliminary sims
So much could change before s3 goes live
clever path
Blizzard announces bankruptcy
modest condor
best case scenario
dense elbow
Warrior gets buffed, becomes meta, blizzard goes bankrupt and servers gets shut off.
Yep checks out.
tawdry sage
im bad at math - so the ptr tier set. thunder blast has a 35% chance of calling down 5 "ionizing strikes" . Do all 5 ionizing strikes have a 20% chance of granting a charge of thunder blast or do they all count as one "thing" that gives a single 20% chance of granting a thunder blast? either way, I'm noticing that I'm regularly getting maxed out at 2 charges but my thunder blast cooldown is long enough that i cant really consume those extra charges so the whole tier set is kind of...doing nothing for me lmao
an easy solution - if we do proc a thunder blast charge, it should also reset the cooldown
then we probably smash
sullen dove
yea been mentioned resetting is like one pretty much stark requirement but it is currently just really bad and making it reset tb cd is a little better but not enough to save it
either needs like way higher damage or way higher proc rate on the strikes/tblast procs or both most likely
could maybe even see tblast dmg buff
smoky vale
yea been mentioned resetting is like one pretty much stark requirement but it is...
meow
tawdry sage
yea after looking closely for about 10 min with a target dummy, the proc rate is really poor, and the procs can never be consumed fast enough to actually increase the dps. so they would need to up the proc rate, reset the cooldown and maybe remove the target cap.. then we are maybe in business 😎 surely that will all happen and they wont release fury like this 😎
also "skinfinity" is the best anime
winter shoal
Think Archi mentioned in the wowhead article that the proc rate seems more like 15% rather than 35%
But they also do so little damage even when they do proc that it's irrelevant
hushed gust
im bad at math - so the ptr tier set. thunder blast has a 35% chance of calling ...
Read the is the tier sets worth it? article in updates. it actually goes over that
echo rapids
Just make the ionizing strikes uncapped Aoe hits and fix fury aoe for the rest of TWW
hushed gust
nah. keep Thane shit so we can beyblade in dungeons and not be trolling
olive wraith
I mean fury is down pretty bad so you’re still kinda trolling
hushed gust
eh! we're struggling, but we're not unplayable.
fair swallow
as of rn, it's just going to be fury for raid and arms for m+
olive wraith
as of rn, it's just going to be fury for raid and arms for m+
I haven’t paid attention to the raid. But I assume there’s going to be arms bosses
silk wharf
I think fury is a little bit better than it may seem. Colossus is just much better at padding and its overalls are quite a bit better.
north geyser
I feel like I'm being stupid right now. There's a blue tracker on wowhead for patch notes, but when I click on it it's just the ones from last week, am I missing something here?
summer quail
I feel like I'm being stupid right now. There's a blue tracker on wowhead for pa...
there's no new build yet
hushed gust
wait for tomorrow.
fair swallow
I haven’t paid attention to the raid. But I assume there’s going to be arms boss...
wdym by arms bosses?
clever path
Ez 30k for anyone
fair swallow
I think fury is a little bit better than it may seem. Colossus is just *much* be...
colo is mostly chosen in m+ and compared to fury's m+ spec (Mount Thane) arms far outclasses it rn
hushed gust
we will see about Thane being the spec for next season, though. Slayer's tier set just has better aoe damage.
fair swallow
nothing is finalized rn just stating what i think with the data we have
hushed gust
which is exactly why i say "we will see"
olive wraith
wdym by arms bosses?
Boss fights that favor arms kit( like frequent 2 target for example)
summer quail
no, not necessarily. i wouldn't call kurog in DF a council fight
not to mention that colossus burst is pretty good so arms could see play there as well for aoe fights
olive wraith
Fury slayer is like just barely ahead anyways
fair swallow
300k damage difference is a pretty good difference
olive wraith
I’d probably just go arms for big executes
summer quail
300k damage difference is a pretty good difference
have to remember that sims are not always indicative of fight strength. damage profile and cd timings matter alot for certain fights
fair swallow
the only execute phase bosses i'm really seeing rn are loom'ithar, forgeweaver, and dimensius
fair swallow
have to remember that sims are not always indicative of fight strength. damage p...
i'd say that effects arms more than fury, especially for multi target since fury can more easily hit multiple targets while arms has to play around a cleave cd
plus if we're playing anger management again we worry even less about cooldowns
flat river
double bladestorm in 1 avatar cast yes plzzz
summer quail
i'd say that effects arms more than fury, especially for multi target since fury...
i think you're underestimating how hard demolish is gonna hit next tier
olive wraith
Plus real bleed damage
azure coyote
anyone got any vods/vids of warriors doing work in s3 ptr for slayer?
smoky vale
@slim coral
smoky vale
anyone got any vods/vids of warriors doing work in s3 ptr for slayer?
click his yt
unreal onyx
Ez 30k for anyone
Why would they do a 11 for that
azure coyote
click his yt
its for raid but any for mythic plus?
smoky vale
critcake
fair swallow
i think you're underestimating how hard demolish is gonna hit next tier
there's maybe two bosses where you can think of going colo over slayer for arms
yes demolish hits hard, but consistent uptime on juggernaut is going to make execute hit harder
and from how the fights look the only fight that consistently have more than 1 target at all times is the soul hunters
the rest is summoning adds a points
silk wharf
its ok, if the colossus set is good at killing adds it will get nerfed 4 times.
fair swallow
going colo just for those add summons loses you more damage on the boss and isn't worth it when slayer has great aoe burst to burn down those adds and keep up great boss damage
fair swallow
but it isn't and we see that in #updates-midnight
slayer is still out performing in single target
colo would out perform if there's consistent add spawn or multiple bosses
unreal onyx
So it's gonna be arms season with current tuning?