fury

[formal ravine]

In dragonflight iu could get in keys easier than now, even being non meta

I had an okay sustained dps profile

Now i got practically no profile

[hardy bluff]

bro warriors are doing 20s just play the game

[formal ravine]

Everything warrior does, another spec does better.

[edgy widget]

then you should clarify this statement

[hushed gust]

Fury in raid is fine. Not everyone needs to be world first material.

It’s a bad suggestion, and I understand it to be so. I don’t expect anyone to agree with me, but just make OF good in keys again. If they want to hard cap out sustain, give us good uncapped burst.

[edgy widget]

yes, which goes right back to what I just said - if you want Warrior to be best at something, something else is no longer best at it, and so you're transferring that complaint onto another class

[slim coral]

fury in raid has never been the issue

it's m+

where the class is outdated

[formal ravine]

So how are we justifying target capping and not being remotly good on that cap ?

Who do we transfer it to if we uncap us , or all specs?

[edgy widget]

no? I didn't make any comment on that whatsoever

[south kayak]

Is it too much to ask for the removal of Fury's target caps

[young swan]

I would argue we're outdated overall, but I don't have any complaints about raid performance as a result of our kit being old

[junior gale]

both arms and fury

[fast mural]

depends the abilities

[edgy widget]

as I said, repeatedly, Mythic+ is an entirely different situation born of a different problem - we were talking about raid for the majority of this conversation because we all know full well Warrior's failings in M+ atm

[fair swallow]

Target cap isn't the main issue, it's our utility profile, we have utility but none of it is currently used

[south kayak]

I don't have issues with fury's raid performance at all. It's Mythic + that's the fucking problem

[edgy widget]

it's a little of both

[slim coral]

yeah for sure fury hasn't been brought up to date in terms of good cds in a very long time

[edgy widget]

but it's also a conglomeration of several problems

[slim coral]

utility doesnt matter

thats a facade

[south kayak]

I don't think it's anything except target caps

[edgy widget]

its a problem with the design of M+ in general - you have an endlessly increasing system, which is naturally going to pyramid and push people out

[south kayak]

If a bunch of classes are doing damage to all targets

and you're doing damage to 5 targets

that's a HUGE FUCKING DEAL

[formal ravine]

What do you mean? Are you really goign to claim beam is a facade ?

It's worth 15~ or so kicks for the duration

[edgy widget]

it's a problem with the "pull big and fast" strategies, which greatly value classes with higher target caps and less split damage

[slim coral]

Utiliyt literally doesn't matter

[south kayak]

People need to dispel this illusion that 5 target isn't the issue

[formal ravine]

REally?

[slim coral]

If you are the best dps in m+ you are being brought

[south kayak]

It's a fucking issue

[formal ravine]

Will you do the rookery left pull without utility ?

[south kayak]

The fact that there is even a SINGLE spec that does damage to only 5 targets

[slim coral]

Dk litearlly has no utility

[hardy bluff]

yea but every class has utility?

[slim coral]

and is brought

[fast mural]

shockwave exists

[fair swallow]

Lowkey wish they'd make mythic + a separate realm with actual infinite scaling

That'd be cool

[junior gale]

Utility is full cope

[edgy widget]

you're dumbing it down a little too much

• in reality, good utility does matter, it just doesn't matter as much as high performance

[formal ravine]

We don't

[hardy bluff]

are you saying without beam you cant do that pack?

[south kayak]

I was thinking maybe they could have M+ only auras, like PvP has a separate modifier

[slim coral]

IF boomkin was bottom dps it wouldnt be brought

[fast mural]

also beam is only 1 class/spec

[formal ravine]

It was an example

[slim coral]

regardless of beam

[formal ravine]

I mean utility overall

[fast mural]

same with sigil of silence

it would be easier to remove those than give warrior something like that

[south kayak]

Why can't they have separate modifiers for M+ like PvP

[junior gale]

they do

[edgy widget]

they could, but it tends to greatly confuse things within an already very confusing game

[modest condor]

people always bring up utility, but if you look at the m+ meta, 90% of the time the most played specs in high keys are the ones that do the most damage

and that's not just a coincidence

[dense elbow]

If they start to split up M+ and Raid, the crossover feel of the game would start to crash

[modest condor]

utility is an added bonus, it is not the decider

[dense elbow]

If utility was alpha and omega, Aug would still be top dog, no?

[edgy widget]

I still want Spear to become a passive off-GCD tether

[south kayak]

What's a little bit of confusion added to that

[slim coral]

I mean the best players in the world that do the highets keys always say utility doesnt matter its how much damage the spec does when it is being brought

[modest condor]

aug almost singlehandedly fills the 10%

[edgy widget]

I'd call it more than a little, but the issue is that it's exacerbating the problem

[south kayak]

I understand the M+ aoe issue if we were in legion, plenty of specs didn't have reliable aoe

but we're way too far into this and there are still specs that are capped to 5 targets

[edgy widget]

M+ has evolved a lot since Legion too tbf

[whole yacht]

damage > utility has always been my thoughts

[fast mural]

and MM does pretty well in m+

[hardy bluff]

season 1 the cap wasnt as bad since you didnt pull that big

[fast mural]

despite the fact they are capped

[hardy bluff]

now its more of a problem

[junior gale]

And has always been the right answer

[formal ravine]

Doesn't this argue on every spec should be uncapped and tuned around that ?

[edgy widget]

as I said, good utility does matter, but better raw performance can often compensate for it

[south kayak]

In what universe can you excuse a spec like fury having 5 target capped aoe when dungeons like Brew exist? I simply don't understand their logic

[fast mural]

this would end up being worse than what we have now

[edgy widget]

First of all, I never said they shouldn't
Second, no; all I said is that M+ has also changed a lot since Legion

[south kayak]

If fury was the best at 5 target, I'd understand, but it NEVER was

not in the history

of the game

[edgy widget]

mmm not sure that's entirely true

[hardy bluff]

you can always press n

[edgy widget]

Fury has had a few really high points lol

[formal ravine]

I think in shadowlands fury was pretty good on 5 targets

I am not saying the BEST, but it was pretty decent

[slim coral]

FUry was good in season 1 of DF

[queen panther]

SL bone grinder when crazy

[south kayak]

that was 6 years ago

[slim coral]

but then aug came out

[edgy widget]

Fury was very close to meta in DF, though not necessarily just because of its 5t cleave

[formal ravine]

Yeah it was pretty good

[queen panther]

went*

[south kayak]

Ok but DF didn't really have many dungeons with insane pulls

[formal ravine]

But we left that and instead of catching up with teh changes we fell further behind

[final birch]

keep in mind even though it was good it was still somewhat early season

so its not an actual meta if it doesn't fully settle

u never know how it could be regardless of changes of other classes/specs

[south kayak]

IMO, Fury should always be the best at 5 targets. There should never be a season where a spec that hits everything does more damage to 5 targets than you

[hardy bluff]

yea that started this season since they made it alot easier to pull big

[edgy widget]

that's also a problem with M+ in general - the "pull big and fast" strats and dungeons that enable it have done irrevocable damage to people's perception of damage profiles

[slim coral]

I think warrior as a whole is one of the only classes that hasn't gotten a major rework since I've been playing

cds have been the same since I started in nya

[edgy widget]

Warriors have gotten several reworks

I don't know what yall even consider a "rework" at this point

[south kayak]

I think they should actually disable that somehow

[fast mural]

yeah they made shockwave not a capstone

[dense elbow]

Think they mean a full rework; all new stuffs and core mechanics

[fair swallow]

Wasn't the last "big" rework legion?

[fast mural]

like ret got in S2 DF

[edgy widget]

when is the last time any class got that? Survival Hunter?

[fast mural]

thats a rework

[slim coral]

dk just got it

[edgy widget]

I mean... not really

[south kayak]

DK isn't really close to a full rework

[formal ravine]

Retri season 3 df at .5

Or was it season 2? I am a goldfish can'tremember

[slim coral]

I don't mean a full rework just something actually impactful

[fast mural]

2

[edgy widget]

that wasn't a core mechanic change either, though I grant they did get a lot of good and beneficial changes

[south kayak]

Fury DK got a lot of nice stuff

[slim coral]

I suppose rework to me means changes that actaully impact gameplay loops

[fast mural]

i mean just the breath change alone is huge

[south kayak]

I want something like that for Fury

[edgy widget]

also, arguably, everyone got a "rework" when the DF style talent trees came out

[formal ravine]

BTW Archi, what's your take on current fury tier set reveal. To me it feels like an afterthought, like they did everything and someone said "Oh we forgot warrior" and slapped that on.

[edgy widget]

cause that did change a lot of stuff

[south kayak]

I just don't understand how DKS are higher prio than warrior

[edgy widget]

I couldn't disagree more

• Colossus and Slayer are goated
• Thane sucks and is uninspired

[formal ravine]

Slayer is goated?

[south kayak]

How any other class is higher prio than warrior in terms of development

is insane

[fast mural]

2p slayer is awsome

[modest condor]

2p slayer hard carries the fury tiersets

[formal ravine]

So we had reap the storm on BT, and through advancements in season we now have it on RB and that's goated?

[edgy widget]

Slayer set is fantastic, it addresses two major issues with both Arms and Fury

[dense elbow]

(2) is great, agreed

[south kayak]

It makes one of the issues worse though

RB is even stronger and you don't press BT

[edgy widget]

yeah more power is in the 2p than the 4p, but it's still not a bad bonus

[slim coral]

yeah I guess I would just like something to that level, or at minimum making our capstones good

70 percent of our capstones are useles

[edgy widget]

The reap part of the set bonus is obviously aimed at multitarget
while the execute part is aimed at more ST

[dense elbow]

For M+, I do hope that if the (4) remains, it will allow RB to work as BT when it comes to getting em reap procs

[fair swallow]

I'm going to do fury for raid and arms for m+

Unless they buff or change the thane set effects

[formal ravine]

4p is just a waste though i don't see how adding the passive from ability A to ability B makes it anything more than bullshit

[dense elbow]

Waste as in boring, or ineffectual?

[edgy widget]

its a significant throughput damage buff in heavy multitarget, it adds extra passive cleave while still focusing on ST

like it's not a bad bonus at all

[fast mural]

They gave up on BT
And finally let us go all in on RB

[edgy widget]

lemme put it this way - the new 4p alone (without the 2p) is worth more than the entire Season 2 2p+4p

[formal ravine]

So they could've swapped reap the s torm to rb by default?

[edgy widget]

also not how that works

[fast mural]

Let me believe

I'm sick of BT tiersets

[fair swallow]

BT is still great in execute phase

[edgy widget]

With the S3 set bonus

• you still use BT on crit in ST, exactly as you do now
• and you still prio it over RB in MT

[fair swallow]

And guaranteed crits

[south kayak]

Archim, I have a question regarding the thane set. How did none of the devs working on that set realize how bad it was, in terms of the damage it does? Surely just hitting the dummy once would make you notice that it just does no damage (Ionizing strikes barely do anything, and they rarely proc)

[formal ravine]

Cus nobody tested it

[edgy widget]

I don't know why you assume they don't know

[dense elbow]

They for sure know, and they will fix it at a later point

[formal ravine]

Because they released it ?

[south kayak]

They pushed it into the PTR?

[formal ravine]

It takes 90 seconds of dummy hitting

[edgy widget]

it's not released, it's on the PTR lol

[formal ravine]

Yes we mean released on ptr

[edgy widget]

the PTR is not released lol

[slim coral]

they don't care about ptr tuning

[dense elbow]

PTR also bring just a proof of concept

[formal ravine]

Can we not be pedantic?

[fast mural]

Probably cause they only cared about it working and not the tuning

[formal ravine]

We know it's ptr

[south kayak]

Ok but none of the sets they released are as bad as Thane, not even close

[slim coral]

as long as it's tuned before the season they don't care

[formal ravine]

you realize it does 0.2% right?

[slim coral]

even though sometimes stuff does get through

[formal ravine]

Give it 1000% buff and it's still not good

[dense elbow]

Yeah, tuning will come later, dont worry

[fast mural]

I think we all know that

[edgy widget]

its not pedantry; tuning on the PTR is not as important as it is on live - it's a testing environment, so things don't need to be perfect

[sullen tendon]

Feels like blizzard is going to keep doing the thing they usually do with specs of making shitty tier sets for one and good tier sets for others every season so people will only play the one that people didn’t play last season.

Except with hero talents

[edgy widget]

that's like asking "how did they not know this is bugged before releasing it to the PTR?" it doens't matter that it's bugged as long as they fix it

[south kayak]

The thane set needs to be 100% chance to proc ionizing strikes with 1000% buff on them

then it'd be good

[formal ravine]

No it's pedantic to say "You know it's ptr" as if we implied it went live. They DID release it even if it's ptr.

[edgy widget]

The ptr is not "released"

they did not "release" the set

they put it on the test realm for testing purposes

[fair swallow]

If I can ask for anything for midnight or s3 it'd be some talent switch ups to spice things up or make changes, and update animations

[formal ravine]

Again, we implied it went on ptr, better?

[fallow sparrow]

They are testing the concept on the ptr, numbers are irrelevant

[edgy widget]

it can still be tested even if the damage is shit

[slim coral]

those will def be coming

[sullen tendon]

Swapping between blade storm and ravager every season because people don’t use them is so awesome

[slim coral]

I can already tell you that

[edgy widget]

just like Boomkin, which is clearly bugged to overperfom atm, can still be tested even knowing the damage is wrong

[dense elbow]

But... PTR is to check and test things, not to be necessarly balanced as they 'release it' on the PTR. It is the road from PTR to live that matters.

[formal ravine]

Yes but the state that it went on ptr, heavily implies nobody bothered with it, it took anyone with eyes 90 seconds to see that.

[slim coral]

I would expect brand new hero talents tbh

since its evergreen

and they need a good selling point outside of housing

[south kayak]

That's what I'm saying

I know it's PTR And all but this is insane to me

[formal ravine]

Yes i am agreeing @south kayak

[edgy widget]

you may assume that, but just because it isn't fixed doesn't mean it won't be fixed

• again, by this logic, you should be just as mad about the state of boomkin overperforming as Thane underperforming

[fair swallow]

Pretty sure ptr is more meant, does it actually work, instead of if it's balanced

[south kayak]

Maybe I don't know how this works

[formal ravine]

Assume? No, i am drawing conclusion from evidence.

[dense elbow]

I for one am glad to see SP pumping

[edgy widget]

no you're jumping to conclusions

[slim coral]

I do hope we get a more thematic hero talent in midnights in place of slayer

[modest condor]

i dont think it's too much to ask for a tierset that is literally just a proc that does damage to be more than 0.3% before it goes on the ptr

[south kayak]

Well, Thane set does not, in fact, work

[edgy widget]

no it works

[sullen tendon]

When has the ptr EVER failed to meet the standards of players on launch? That has NEVER happened before. Blizzard has NEVER pushed out unfinished content that wasn’t fixed or balanced EEEVVVEEEERRR. Don’t thing for a second that they would release content that wasn’t tuned right.

[edgy widget]

it's just shit lol

[south kayak]

I'm joking

I know

[edgy widget]

but how is it any worse than Fury's tier set grossly overperforming on PTR in DF S2? Did yall complain about that?

[fast mural]

Raid tuning is always on point wdym

[modest condor]

like i get that it's just for testing, but what's stopping them from testing it with a 5% dps increase instead of a 0.3% one

[formal ravine]

My point as to why i be lieve it was not thought out at all.

[south kayak]

They saw fury warrior set and were like, fuck that

[dense elbow]

It is PTR, is it really needed to be said?

After their next pass at it, then I would be worried

[formal ravine]

I am not saying it won't change, but the fact it was such an afterthought and just went through doesn't give me hope for what they are doing with warrior either.

[edgy widget]

the very nature of a PTR is to test things that are not yet complete
complaining that things aren't complete, in an environment which is setup for that very purpose, is just kind of stupid

[slim coral]

There is also a fundamental issue with the thane tier set in that you are cd locked that even if it gave you lots of TC procs you can't use them and it's capped at 2

[sullen tendon]

Ah yes PTR historically known to take player feedback.

[slim coral]

they should take TC off cd

[edgy widget]

Yeah, it should really reset the cd or something

[slim coral]

like WW

[formal ravine]

I recall we said comfortably for season 1 set that it "won't go live with the set working off RB procs, and it will change" But it did not.

[south kayak]

I think they should make the proc reset the CD of TB

[edgy widget]

I mean they do more than you'd think

[fast mural]

You know if thane set is bad people will play slayer and give more data for slayer in m+
Once they fix thane it's gonna switch

[slim coral]

but also

if you arent making PTR threads

and only complaining in here

[formal ravine]

Season 1 is the most recent and prime example still.

[slim coral]

you're kind of the issue

[edgy widget]

no we said it would be buffed, and it was

[sullen tendon]

Don’t worry guys they’ll see warriors tier set underperforming and buff a completely unrelated ability like dragons roar to compensate it’s all good 👍

[formal ravine]

I am literally 100% sure someone here said and it might have been you "That will change it won't go live"

[edgy widget]

it was buffed before live lol

[dense elbow]

Bobby is on the rage-bait path again, eh.

[edgy widget]

and again like 2 weeks later

[formal ravine]

It still went live playing off RB procs, many times people said that's shit

[edgy widget]

tbf Dragon Thunderous Roar could use a buff

[formal ravine]

Season 4 set for fury was about 1% increase

What got buffed about it ?

[edgy widget]

it went to a 1.5% increase

[sullen tendon]

When blizzard fucks us over 30 times you can’t expect them to do what you want

[formal ravine]

Oh okay..

[edgy widget]

it was 0.5% on the PTR btw

[formal ravine]

As it is now

[slim coral]

all cds need a buff

[formal ravine]

And it went to 1%

[edgy widget]

na post buff, I think the TWW S1 tier was more like a 3-4% increase

[slim coral]

look at Ons

[hardy bluff]

some of you are just professional victims man

[south kayak]

That would be really nice. But the set itself is still kind of uninspired compared to Slayer's. I want something inspired and exciting

[slim coral]

its just sitting afk since df season 2

[formal ravine]

It was not, it was practically on live with 0.9 to 1.1% increase

The 2 set was our heavy lifter

[south kayak]

So they're buffing the thane set from 0.2% to 1%?

[dense elbow]

He aint a victim, he is a

[fast mural]

Fury capstones are a mess
Having OF and onslaught just there to make the tree look more full

[sullen tendon]

Complaining enough will get us reworks and things that make our spec better. Not complaining places us in eternal spec purgatory where we will sit with the target cap for the next 8 years.

[edgy widget]

I agree, my main feedback was that its uninspiring, lacks feedback, and excitment

[edgy widget]

that's a 5x improvement!

[fast mural]

But not complaining in here

[formal ravine]

Also if we go by simple pattern, current thane set might as well release at the 1% point. And sure as hell i do not like that

[slim coral]

Thane tier set : Oden now comes out and strikes down your opponet

[dense elbow]

Then go to the forum, and be heard

[sullen tendon]

I will complain everywhere there are wow players until I break through

[south kayak]

Maybe there'd be better feedback if it did reset TB's CD and if the Ionizing Strikes had better effect/sound

[summer quail]

that's a bit high innit

[south kayak]

or did more damage lol

[formal ravine]

My bad , down to 0.8%

[dense elbow]

Doesnt work, Odyn is in a iceblock atm

[slim coral]

We can free him

[dense elbow]

Well, would explain why the set does 0 dam

[fast mural]

Complaining to wow players so things get changed is a big brain move

[dense elbow]

[edgy widget]

issue sit that Ionizing Strikes have the same audio/visual as Lightning Strikes, and Flashing Skies causes them to overlap

[south kayak]

[slim coral]

ionizigin strikes also just do nothing lol

which is funny

[edgy widget]

but yes, there is a distinct lack of feedback on the proc

[slim coral]

it's like thye're scared to give fury something cool

[formal ravine]

Even if they fix it to hit "All affected targets" it still is super underwhelming and not thought out at all

[slim coral]

[fast mural]

Have you forgotten
Brown spear

[sullen tendon]

I’m trying to do what the streamers do and brainwash a bunch of people into herd mentality except I’m not using bright lights and parasocial relationships to achieve my goal.

[slim coral]

oh god dont remind me

[edgy widget]

nobody said it was a good bonus lol, in fact my response after you asked was that it sucks and is uninspiring

[south kayak]

I have an idea for thane set, Thunder Clap is now always Thunder Blast

[fair swallow]

Odyn personally strikes down your target lol

[fast mural]

I'm pretty sure collosus has a brown execute aswell

[formal ravine]

But the argument is back to what we pointed out and others added, that they actually put it on ptr in current state. That gives the impression at least that they jus slapped it there without any care, which doesn't bode well if we want anything remotely nice for warrior once again.

[edgy widget]

you're exhausting

[formal ravine]

Ah yes sorry not agreeing with you my bad

[dense elbow]

All you do, is unite ppl against your weird and often... unhinged... opinions with a goalpost so always on the move, that it could produce infinite energy if harvested.

[edgy widget]

It's a PTR, it is by definition not finished

[formal ravine]

And again that doesn't justify it

Why are you such a blizzard apologist?

[sullen tendon]

They want to bake all our talents into raging blow so just so it with thunderclap instead. Make casting thunderclap give you thunder blast procs and also while avatar is up your thunder blasts cause thundering echos that duplicate the damage your thunder last just did. They already do this for unholy and don’t care if they throw everything into one ability.

[edgy widget]

I'm not apologizing, I already said the bonus sucks

but while it may not be up to your standards, you don't know their workflow, you don't know anything about their process

[formal ravine]

Yet you're justifying the state it got in.

[edgy widget]

you're just being judgemental

[fast mural]

Your gonna look really stupid when they buff it to be really good

[edgy widget]

which is just kind of being an asshole for no reason

[sullen tendon]

You keep saying my goalpost is moving every time your around

[formal ravine]

I am going by simple pattern recognition.

I was judgemental in season 1 as well ?

[edgy widget]

and after more than an hour of this, I'm just tired of listening to you go on and on about how everything is awful

[formal ravine]

And then it came out at 1%

[sullen tendon]

My goalpost is the same it’s to make fury different than the same 10 years of shit it’s been stuck with

[fast mural]

You should play other classes man

[dense elbow]

Please go play Ret, I beg, Bobby.

[fast mural]

And then you see they have the exact same issue

[edgy widget]

everyone is aware that the Thane bonus sucks, it's not something that needs to be bemoaned over and over again

[south kayak]

have you seen the enha stormbringer set?? they get a fucking storm around the targets when tempest hits and we get some noodle strikes

[edgy widget]

see previous comment

[dense elbow]

Perhaps you got to pin it at this point

[edgy widget]

people are just broken records lol

is it any wonder that devs don't want to engage with these communities anymore?

[fast mural]

Why do we even care about thane anyway

Its boring af

[dense elbow]

To be fair, I will join them if next tuning pass on Thane doesnt move the needle

[sullen tendon]

I want to play the game and have fun not get sticks stuck in my wheelchair

[dense elbow]

Go play Mage then

[edgy widget]

and also, Slayer/Colossus bonuses are insanely good, so this whole poor me rhetoric of "Warrior can't have anything nice" is extremely hypocritical

[ornate gust]

Join who?

[south kayak]

I know it sucks, I just wanted to compare it to a similar set with lightning stuff

[sullen tendon]

No I like warrior

[fast mural]

Clearly

[south kayak]

To show how far behind it is in terms of animations

[dense elbow]

The "moan about thane tierset party", Soggo.

[sullen tendon]

But I want it to be better

[fast mural]

Bobby is a warrior with boomie mentality

This is not good

[south kayak]

I guess there's always a winner and a loser lol

can't have all the sets be good

or exciting

[young swan]

what'd u think of the talent tree btw

[sullen tendon]

I am the warrior king and all my constituents can’t understand my advanced intellectual opinions

[sullen tendon]

I didn’t see it

[fast mural]

[dense elbow]

Troll skill level is at least maxed out on you, Bobby.

That is for sure.

[sullen tendon]

I’m not trolling

I want fury to be better

[sullen dove]

sorry to burst your bubble but baze is the warrior king

god king glazeface

[sullen tendon]

But I’m surrounded by people who just think number changes are the only thing that matters

[limber oar]

since when

[sullen dove]

the beginning of time

[south kayak]

since swordish announced it

[fast mural]

Do you think every other spec gets enhanced level of tier bonuses ?
There are a bunch that are boring

[south kayak]

I know

Unfortunate but it is what it is

can't be inspired for every set

[ornate gust]

To rub salt in the wound 😄

[hardy bluff]

brother if fury would be meta rn you wouldnt be posting in here

[sullen tendon]

“If fury would be meta”

[fast mural]

He would be in ret discord doing the same thing

[dense elbow]

If Bobby attacked the forums with this vigor, we would have all the top threads on the WoW forums

[south kayak]

I think if the thane set just got buffed and was similar to Slayer/Col performances, I wouldn't care tbh

[dense elbow]

Maybe something would change

who knows

[fast mural]

Then just wait ?

[south kayak]

I am going to

[sullen tendon]

Only way fury is meta is if there is a massive rework of how it does damage or they just say fuck it and increase all its damage by like 50% to keep up with the insane target scaling of other specs

[fast mural]

Then why cry about when we all know this thing is 100% gonna be buffed

[sullen dove]

thane should leave a continuous lightning storm on the ground you thunder blast

ravager but looks cooler

[south kayak]

I'm not crying, i'm just disappointed/frustrated

[sullen tendon]

That’s in ascension wow

[ornate gust]

So no utility for us in S3? 🤕

[south kayak]

Did you see the enha Stormbringer set?

[fast mural]

So make us enhanced shamans

[sullen dove]

Our utility is more bladestorm with slayer set so more stun immunity

Powerful

[south kayak]

It's literally a lightning storm above @sullen dove

[sullen dove]

no I don’t look at other classes tier sets they are irrelevant to me

Unless it’s evoker

[south kayak]

we get some noodle strikes

and enha gets a lightning storm

classic

[sullen dove]

me when the lightning class gets lightning abilities

[ornate gust]

https://tenor.com/view/jensen-ackles-pointing-smiling-supernatural-dean-winchester-gif-13153687

[sullen tendon]

Give warrior utility: bladestorm complimentary talent that sucks in all nearby enemies slowly acting as a pseudo mass grip.

[sullen dove]

Our lightning is copout industry plant

[sullen tendon]

Never gonna happen

[fast mural]

Just wait for them to not see a swirly cause of that and die

[south kayak]

I like this idea

like hurricane

[edgy widget]

I like the spear thether better

• issue with a bladestorm succ is that there are situations where you really don't want targets to move, so making it automatic could end up situationally (and uncontrollably) very bad

[fast mural]

So dks are even more useless

[sullen tendon]

5 other classes have mass grip like abilities already and have for years

[fast mural]

And they just removed slappy hands

[hardy bluff]

also they just removed it from dk

[edgy widget]

Well I don't think his idea was the same as an instant grip, but yeah

[south kayak]

Archi you have to keep hitting this Spear tether idea, that'd be so good

[edgy widget]

I think it'd be fun but

[south kayak]

Have you mentioned it to the devs

[edgy widget]

Yeah it's been brought up

[fast mural]

But it would be too broken for pvp

[south kayak]

Ok cool

[edgy widget]

Eh idk

[orchid dagger]

Pipe the fuck down

[fast mural]

[south kayak]

They can always add some modifiers for pvp

who cares

[edgy widget]

I honestly don't know if it would be too broken in PvP, but they could probably find a way to mitigate it

[orchid dagger]

Let me Bladestorm the shit out of some fuck and keep his ass of a point forever

[edgy widget]

from my understanding, most classes have ways out of spear tether in PvP anyway

[slim coral]

Idk what they can do with onslaught

maybe just remov eit

remove

[edgy widget]

Onslaught is a matter of tuning more than anything; it's not a bad ability, we're just in a season where rotational abilities got a huge buff

[fast mural]

Built it into OF

[south kayak]

I like Xan's Onslaught idea

[slim coral]

I like Xan's Of idea

[south kayak]

I think Onslaught needs to be completely ST

[slim coral]

where helya comes out

[south kayak]

so OF can shine in AoE

[orchid dagger]

Because Spear is a buggy fucking button

[sullen tendon]

Spear is bad as it is now becasuse there are very little kiting situations where it would be useful anymore. Maybe back in legion when the entire meta was the kite in m+ it would be but when you use spear the targets have to already be in a group for the effect to be useful and even then they probably arent going to go anywhere if they are already grouped. Only use spear has now is if you can coordinate with a monk and rop lock mobs with spear. A tornado like ability would be better because it actually groups stuff up.

[summer quail]

they can make it hit really hard and make it so it cannot cleave. big st cd, can give it a longer cd as well. odyns for aoe and onslaught for st. lots of things they could do

[slim coral]

If OF summoned helya that'd be sick

[edgy widget]

more because every class has a way to get out of it, but ok

[fallow sparrow]

Isnt that was the OG OF did somewhat?

[slim coral]

[south kayak]

Yeah that was my idea for the longest time, make it something like MoP Storm Bolt

[fast mural]

Would literally be good on bandit rn

Like the boomie suck

[sullen tendon]

4 hunters with binding shot

[south kayak]

Yo Archi have you seen the changes to MoP classes? they buffed Enrage from 6 to 8 seconds for fury to help with the downtime at lower crit levels

[edgy widget]

it's not necessarily about kiting, just holding mobs in place either for damage or positional purposes

And fwiw, my suggestion involves moving spear to a more centralized place on the tree (like where Int Shout is), not leaving it at the bottom with a major opportunity cost, so you could easily talent in/out of it as desired

[thick fossil]

Unless you get fixated and blow up.

[edgy widget]

just stay on the edge of it

[fast mural]

You don't have to stack on spear anymore

[edgy widget]

yeah, and they improved Berzerker Stance and Shattering Throw too; good changes

[south kayak]

Also, can we remove Intimidating shout, nobody has been using it

[edgy widget]

probably but that wasn't my suggestion lol

[thick fossil]

What I'm saying is that it's more annoying to use on Bandit. So really no point.

[edgy widget]

it shouldn't be

[fast mural]

He isn't talking about a dps CD

[sullen tendon]

i agree with moving spear. It is not a capstone ability anymore and similar to abomination limb doesnt serve any real competetive damage anymore and is just taken for utility so why is it still at the bottom of the tree

[fast mural]

Just a utility on top

[edgy widget]

I think some of yall are misinterpreting, so lemme lay it out again

[thick fossil]

Than an Ursul's vortex.

[south kayak]

Yeah, agreed. Though they haven't really buffed fury other than that, seems like it might be falling behind with all the specs getting actual damage buffs, big ones at that

[edgy widget]

the suggestion is to change Spear from a 3-talent capstone into a single talent off-GCD utility ability located in the 2nd tier of the talent tree

thereby giving Warriors some semi-unique utility to help lock down targets, no longer treating it as a dps ability at all

[south kayak]

Why did they even remove Abom Limb lol

[sullen tendon]

utility shouldnt be a captone talent unless its fucking absurdly strong

[summer quail]

when and what did they do to berzerker stance? i must have missed it in notes or something

[modest condor]

counter point: throughput shouldnt be capstone talents in the class tree

[fast mural]

To make sure blood dks are worth more of a raid buff than dps dks

[edgy widget]

it gives rage through absorbs and stuff, so you're not clicking off PW:S anymore

[summer quail]

ahh

[sullen tendon]

why

[edgy widget]

I don't agree with that

[thick fossil]

I honestly agree with both of these ideas.

[fast mural]

Look at any other class tree bobby

[modest condor]

because i think class trees should be focused on the things that are not major offensive cooldowns

[edgy widget]

not all classes have enough things that aren't

[south kayak]

I don't think there shouldn't be any, but there also shouldn't be 3 damage cds, that's too much

[sullen tendon]

avatar just needs to ba baseline spell at this point

[edgy widget]

but moving them all out of the bottom of the tree also means you always talent all of them, which hurts gameplay/build variety

[sullen tendon]

its never not taken

[edgy widget]

so are a lot of talents

[south kayak]

I think Avatar should interact more with the spec in a way

[sullen tendon]

the talents that modify it are fine to stay there

[south kayak]

it's just 20% damage amp

[modest condor]

i think they should remove them from the class tree altogether, not just move them up higher

major throughput gains should be in the spec tree imo

[sullen tendon]

yea it should. It should have RA baked into it or cause our thunder blast ot do additional effects.

[south kayak]

I don't like TR and Spear in the class talents, just remove them and make spear an utility only tether like Archi has said

[sullen dove]

if only fury had enough utility to fill class tree like other specs

[sullen tendon]

Our cds in general are kind of old

[sullen dove]

Evoker has like 2 damage nodes in the entire class tree and dragon rage in spec tree

[modest condor]

i mean we basically have 8 talent points worth of filler in the spec tree anyway

[south kayak]

That reminds me of the thane capstone, it could have been more. It could have made Avatar send out lightning strikes all around you during it

[slim coral]

might as well tbh

[south kayak]

or made you blue-ish

[sullen tendon]

it would require thinking for longer than 20 minutes for devs to figure out the different class fantasy abilities that could fill that role so that will never happen

[edgy widget]

I don't think Warrior would have a class tree anymore lol

[slim coral]

spear is not fun to use on ST and most of the time spear and it's capstones suck

[south kayak]

Nobody should have trees

[edgy widget]

that works with classes like Sham and Druid that have a lot of ancillary effects, but not so much for War

[fast mural]

i read this and i have a feeling they would remove shockwave for this

[slim coral]

dmg wise roar also sucks tho so

[edgy widget]

spear is absolutely fine now that they changed it to a debuff

[slim coral]

#BuffRoar

[sullen dove]

wouldn’t mind die by the sword being talentable in class tree so everyone can use it

maybe not prot but like give it to fury breh

[fallow sparrow]

That was the case

[fast mural]

#caproarat8targets

[fallow sparrow]

In beta

[edgy widget]

DF *alpha

[sullen tendon]

bladestorm on prot used to be so fun

[fallow sparrow]

Sorry alpha* x)

[edgy widget]

it was also terrible lol

[strong relic]

Both throughput and utility can be capstones in the class tree but not at the same time. Either all capstones are throughput or all capstones are utility

[edgy widget]

Fury got 2 CDs, Arms got 1 lol

[sullen tendon]

WHY DO THEY IGNORE BANNERS

[slim coral]

yeah it's not nearly as bad as having to stand in it, but like we've talked about before there is also an issue where spear and roar effectively do the same thing

[modest condor]

oh man i remember when dbts class tree was revealed

[sullen tendon]

banners solve all our problems

[slim coral]

so I'd rahter just have roar at that point

[sullen tendon]

need a group slow? make it a banner ability

[edgy widget]

a better solution is to change one of the ER follow-on talents to provide parry the way die by the sword does
and to change of one die by the sword's follow-on talents to provide a better heal, the way ER does

but Warriors already have several defensive CDs and don't need another all the time

[sullen tendon]

need a group buff make it a banner ability

need a lust make it a banner ability

need a group fear

make it a banner ability

[sullen dove]

rare Bobby cook

[south kayak]

Relax

[fast mural]

scarecrow banner lmao

[sullen dove]

tho some of those make more sense as shouts tho

[hardy bluff]

maybe make a banner that makes your group immune for 10minutes

[south kayak]

balanced

[sullen dove]

like shouting for a blood lust or fear

Rather than putting down a spooky banner

[young swan]

that was so fucking epic lmfao

[fast mural]

they will never give us lust

[sullen tendon]

also make those banner but dont put them in the dumbest possible spots in hte talent trees so you cant take them over something more important

[fast mural]

lets not huff to much this cope

[edgy widget]

idk, it's been discussed
but it wouldn't help much

[sullen dove]

Tank with lust impossibru game would be broken!!!!

[young swan]

idk about that

[south kayak]

I think a good way of giving warrior some utility would be in form of different banners

[fast mural]

i agree it would fit

[young swan]

id like lust purely for fantasy

[fast mural]

but aint no way

[sullen tendon]

also give fury disruptiveshout

[sullen dove]

Don’t give a tank lust even tho 3 other tanks have brez!!!!

and the other 2 have like 12 more utility buttons!

[sullen tendon]

giving tanks lust would solve a lot of dps poblems

[fast mural]

and they removed spell block

[sullen tendon]

no more reserved dps spots ofr lust classes

[south kayak]

if prot warrior gets lust, dps warrior isn't touching keys

[sullen dove]

[fast mural]

at least we can apply to groups without lust then

[sullen dove]

real

[south kayak]

I am exaggerating, but still

[sullen dove]

tru the other 5 specs gonna wanna play somewhat

[sullen tendon]

similar to how dps dk doesnt touch raid

[south kayak]

Exactly

DK should get a fucking buff already

[sullen tendon]

they cant give lust to a spec and not a class

its usually the entire class gets the lust or brez

[lethal stump]

We need a shout that revives for like 2 minutes then they die

[south kayak]

Valarjar ress

or cheat death lmao

[slim coral]

I imagine warrior will be getting something this PTR cycle in terms of utility since they mentioed giving it battle rez

[south kayak]

[sullen tendon]

it cant just revive them temporarily it has to have a dps buff or something or it wont get taken over normal brez

[young swan]

they should give us a guaranteed version of the valkyr "cheat death"

[sullen tendon]

if oyu amke it a temporary rez

otherwise just make it a normal brez

[south kayak]

Too much

[young swan]

bow

how

[south kayak]

we already are giga tanky idk

[summer quail]

i don't expect anything til midnight

[young swan]

its 10s duration and if you dont get a killing blow u die again

[sullen dove]

Give us necrolord live for 10 seconds after guaranteed death but do like 50% morn dmg

[south kayak]

oh killing blow

that you meant like full cheat death

like rogue

[young swan]

thats how it worked

[south kayak]

or fire mage

that makes sense

I think that's fine actually

[young swan]

no u had to get a kb or u died

[south kayak]

would be great in m+

[ornate gust]

Why? You can play other tanks who need lust!

[lethal stump]

Where did they mention giving war utility

[sullen tendon]

in our dreams

[young swan]

Morgan day china dps race interview

[south kayak]

Imagine Disruptive Banner, interrupts everything every 5 seconds

perma

balanced

[ornate gust]

In our imaginary world 😄

[young swan]

no its real

[sullen tendon]

warrior version of solar beam

[south kayak]

he said it

it's real

[young swan]

they said they're looking at it

[south kayak]

I saw the article

Xan

thoughts on banners

[sullen dove]

big banner fan

Thank you xeos for not making the spec cringe s3 shadowlands

[strong relic]

It's gonna be lust or some banner for sure (or nothing)

[sullen dove]

any banner uptimers

[slim coral]

Bring back Night fae ability

[south kayak]

I meant utility banners

[slim coral]

please

[south kayak]

dude

no more aoe hits

[sullen dove]

aftershock is just a glorified shockwave

[south kayak]

PLEASE

[sullen dove]

But yea it’s fun at least

[south kayak]

we need less aoe cds

not more

[young swan]

id like the hots varian banners as capstones, demo, move speed, heal amp

[fast mural]

make onslaught an empower ability for a big hit

[chilly fractal]

Ya’ll know what I could go for right now… some Royal Farms world famous fried chicken.

[sullen dove]

The haste circle like poggest thing about it

[fast mural]

just like breath for dk

[south kayak]

Oh shit I didn't know he had that

sounds cool

[edgy widget]

Spear of Bastion has entered the chat

[sullen dove]

blood of the enemy

Give now

[south kayak]

First Strike was so cool

[sullen dove]

“Guys keep chain pulling single mobs I need to keep this 20% crit buff up”

forgot what it did exactly but sum like that

[fast mural]

sounds like eye of kezan

[south kayak]

No, it was a % crit chance buff after hitting a target for the first time for 5 seconds

[fast mural]

meh

[fast mural]

if there is 1 thing we dont need its crit

[sullen dove]

fun for initiating a pull

but like don’t know if it was that nuts

[fast mural]

make recklessness be 100% crit chance again

[sullen dove]

nice in spots with frequent adds tho

[fast mural]

[clever belfry]

all my homies hate first strike korayn bitch ass

[sullen tendon]

I miss this https://packaged-media.redd.it/q1uq94f3eah41/pb/m2-res_720p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&e=1751252400&s=4b828c1bdc2b7acf61af7facbf9eaf6adf37b991

[sullen dove]

Me when the video itself lagged

[clever belfry]

Legion war machine or frigg off

[south kayak]

LMAO the video LAGGED

[south kayak]

same LOL

[fast mural]

at least you can turn of others abilites now

[south kayak]

They put it into enrage

[clever belfry]

Not the same

[south kayak]

Fair

[sullen tendon]

while were at it bring back bear tartare blizzard, chop chop

[edgy widget]

na what they need to bring back from Legion is Aggramar's Stride

[sullen dove]

Isn’t that just… war machine

[edgy widget]

this was pog af

[sullen dove]

Move speed on killing something

[sullen tendon]

i remember stacking hte fuck out of crit for this

[south kayak]

I hate the fact that they slowed down transmog/raid farms after legion

I was zooming with aggramar's stride

[sullen tendon]

100% crit

[south kayak]

doing mount runs

and shit

[edgy widget]

it gave you haste on kill

[sullen tendon]

NO GO MAKE A DRUID LIKE EVERYONE ELSE STOP HAVING FUN

[south kayak]

I think they should activate aggramr's strike for old content

so we can zoom again

and they also deleted bear tartare

can't have fun no more

[edgy widget]

War Machine is what made it giga, since you got haste on kill and that haste turned into more movespeed

[south kayak]

war machine doesn't work if the target is grey, right?

[sullen tendon]

this bug in legion was great.

also you could enchant bows

also really liked the bug on emeral nightmare release that would crash your game if you sheathed your weapons

[fast mural]

i like the bug on ptr that makes you have 2h weapons sheathed as 1h

[sullen tendon]

Stacking crit was also a thing cause you would pop battle cry and instantly shoot up to 100% + whatever your original crit was

burst vs consistent

[sullen tendon]

imagine if they gave us better sheathing and stance grip options like that will ever happen

its not like the animations already exist

pfff

[sullen dove]

Just wish long shafted weapons were gripped on the end like swords are

[slim coral]

I got a long shafted weapon for you

[sullen dove]

Like the maw themed pickaxe polearm from zereth mortis you hold right below the fucking head of it

yea bet u do

prolly just a 1 hander

big smf build

[edgy widget]

yeah that also worked, just not something that was available very often

not exactly a speed farm strat lol

[sullen tendon]

this one?

gripped right at hte fucking front

grips are so stupid

they make a giant long hammer or axe and then plac hte hand grip right at very top of the handle

[red escarp]

Lmao

[sullen tendon]

example

[red escarp]

Yea why do they do thay

That*

[sullen tendon]

they did the new gorehowl so fucking dirty

[sullen dove]

yea it’s awful

Hammer is at least halfway down that’s like mildly manageable

0 excuse for the polearm though

[sullen tendon]

the idea for polearms is to wield themwith 2 hands but they dont even give them the brewmaster animation when holding them or the srtance that oribos guards have

[sullen dove]

Isn’t oribos guard just human male

[sullen tendon]

this stacne wit hweapon

[sullen dove]

o what just standing still like that

yea I mean prolly less likely to give that out

that’s some cosmetic role play type shii

[sullen tendon]

witout the arm behind hte back it is a nice idle stance for just afking in dorn or somethign

[orchid dagger]

It would make a good idle animation for a person with a polearm/staff to cycle through

[sullen tendon]

this naimation would also be nice

[quiet breach]

is there any giga long fights next tier?

like 10 min +

[silk wharf]

Probably the void guy but he has flight portions.

[orchid dagger]

RIP Imperator Mardok fight

Such a baller fight

[chilly fractal]

Impregnator

[topaz isle]

Hey everyone, what trinkets and weapons are we using for the PTR?

[meager gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/jaydenj-pregnant-fat-popped-roll-gif-13224897168819425652

[safe cradle]

Is the ptr up? It’s tellin me it’s down

[topaz isle]

I'm on it right now

[safe cradle]

Interesting

[compact knot]

Ptr health numbers where weird so idk yet

The dh bosses didn't share health, each had around 7.5B, next boss is pure ST and only has 7.2B

[royal oxide]

ETA until dragon's roar is an empower ability? lol

[red berry]

maybe we get tuning this tuesday on the PTR

[fair swallow]

what difficulty is this for?

[compact knot]

Heroic

[fair swallow]

seems about right, since most people should be doing around 4 mil dps with the new gear

[compact knot]

A cleave 3 target boss and each one of the 3 has more than a pure st boss seems right?

I mean it died in 3 mins and we where at 673 ilvl

We are 684 on live right now 😭

[fair swallow]

like i said, seems about right lol

[echo rapids]

Fractilus seems designed to be a short race

[fair swallow]

hell they might buff health

[compact knot]

Fractilus would be a 2 minute boss bro

1:30 heroic geared

1 min with myth gear and 13% raid buff

It felt like it would be a fast boss but that is a lil too fast

That shit needs a health buff

We had to stop dps on the penultimate boss AT 673 ILVL, so we could get a mechanic and not wipe

Didn't even lust either

[vagrant glacier]

are there more fury or arms warrior lol

[echo rapids]

Yeah the numbers are off for sure but it’s seems like a race against time fight

[compact knot]

probably fury

fury has a lot of one tricks

fury is often even played more even when arms performs better

[flat river]

more because fury has an easier barrier to entry

[woven valley]

fury gets played cause zug is zug

[echo rapids]

A lot of people just love the vibe and aesthetic of the two big two handers

[compact knot]

yeah fury is a lot easier to get into

first 2 patches of DF arms performed better than fury, but fury always had slightly more, get to season 3 of df when fury is way better than arms and there is a 30k gap between them in players playing them

comfort spec

[slim coral]

they're obviously gonna make sure that doesnt happen

[compact knot]

i mean im being told that its obviously going to happen

idk man

boss has less health than a 20 man normal vexie

[slim coral]

so did rik reverb

and rik died in like 1 min on mythic

[compact knot]

i dont have a single rik kill below 5 mins

on mythic

(i havent killed the boss in 2 months but)

[slim coral]

idk what that has to do with ptr tuning

but if you think they're ever gonna ship a 2 min boss you're cooked

[compact knot]

im not the one saying its going to happen big dawg

...

[slim coral]

?

Khazix: i mean im being told that its obviously going to happen
idk man
boss has less health than a 20 man normal vexie

Is this not saying you think its not gonna get buffed

[slim coral]

If you thought it was gonna get buffed idk why you responded the way you did then

[summer quail]

@slim coral you testing?

[slim coral]

I tested it just now

[rigid stirrup]

PTR is literally just starting in the grand scheme of things

[slim coral]

About to post the vod

[rigid stirrup]

people making assumptions of things based on sub two weeks is crazy

[summer quail]

no i mean are you testing raid right now?

[slim coral]

I just got done

[summer quail]

ahh

[pulsar quest]

Are people not used to ptr testing bosses having messed up health pools

[gleaming siren]

Honestly

Seems like a solid raid so far

No boss I actively dread playing yet

[pulsar quest]

Rik reverb was kill able in like 1 min on ptr

[gleaming siren]

To be fair

Fractillus WILL be a short encounter

You just can't live so long

At least I hope that's what they do cause the alternative is kinda boring

[pulsar quest]

Or a better strat will come out that makes more sense and is viable

[gleaming siren]

I mean the Weakaura already plays the boss for you now

It absolutely trucks damage tho

[hardy quiver]

Fellas question is fury good for 12s ?

[gleaming siren]

Yes

[hardy quiver]

Ty 😊

[gleaming siren]

Every spec is good for 12s

[hardy quiver]

I just feel I'm just holding everyone back so I thought to ask

[clever path]

WW is meta

https://tenor.com/view/sgfun-gif-12430301001147286495

@neon rootstack R u still playing

Oops not roidstack

😢

[young swan]

roidstack is banned on liek 4 diff accounts

[flat river]

can someone tell me roidstack lore

[clever path]

Gala hi

[flat river]

hey

[clever path]

Why all the good people leave

Where is soda

REEEEE

[young swan]

banned

[flat river]

was that roidstack

xd

[clever path]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[clever path]

No

[young swan]

he said dumb shit and got banned

thats it

[clever path]

Roidstack was a beast

He could bench 2000kg

[flat river]

i see

[clever path]

He had 50 inch biceps

[smoky vale]

@sudden tusk my internet went out

[clever path]

Gala still owes me egyptian cotton

[flat river]

💀

[clever path]

Start picking

[clever path]

https://tenor.com/view/richard-attenborough-whip-whipped-whiplash-whiplashed-gif-16731040

Come do a 21 Rookery

Or no balls

[flat river]

i don't have a 21 rookery

[clever path]

I do

[flat river]

prove it

send screenshot

[clever path]

Naa u got no balls

[clever path]

Watch it, Archi will ban u

Also when did linc get stormforge

da fuq

[flat river]

who are u

[clever path]

Belteshazzar, spindaddy the one and only god tier WW

[sullen dove]

vague troll dont remember exact transgressions

need roidstack back though

unban pls

[clever path]

unban roidstack

[sullen dove]

^

[smoky vale]

gm goonish

[clever path]

He was the best of us

[smoky vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807809192537882647/1380846657582661682/wigglin_it_rn_care_to_join.gif

come wiggle it

:3

[clever path]

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-kanne-lawine-frieren-run-gif-4721941853177088146

[clever path]

galastronk is a weeb

[smoky vale]

goat

[flat river]

yessir

[clever path]

Come do this instead

[smoky vale]

with the worst takes too

dw

[flat river]

the official demon slayer movie trailer released btw

yesterday

or the day before that i have no sense of time

[clever path]

Gala u play MTG?

Final Fantasy packs are lit

https://tenor.com/view/sephiroth-final-fantasy7-hair-windy-gif-14624273

[flat river]

nope

[clever path]

Interesting

[olive wraith]

His nelth 16 will live on

[clever path]

BIG DAMAGE

🗡️ 🗡️

DAGGER FURY META

[compact knot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401847794156961792/1377237934234796032/caption.gif

https://tenor.com/view/hello-gif-10088905049125769136

[smoky vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1234786769606676480/1385667437944377434/attachment-9.gif

[compact knot]

actively wiggling

[clever path]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bin-lady-bye-rubbish-gif-10854611

[compact knot]

man tokyo ghoul just has the best music

could hit bosses to this shit

[clever path]

I got doom music playing when bloodlust hits, it's BIS

[compact knot]

personal favorite https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvy9km7g6fw&list=RDpvy9km7g6fw&start_radio=1

[clever path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZMg9ryeWOw&list=RDzZMg9ryeWOw&start_radio=1 All about this

[compact knot]

perfect length for most end bosses

[clever path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaFzmZrKKKw&list=RDuaFzmZrKKKw&start_radio=1 Or this

[radiant nimbus]

Hi! Pretty new fury player here. Is there an astronomical difference in DPS if i choose Bladestorm over ravager in the current "best" M+ build. Thanks 🙂

Oop i should specify for the mountain thane hero tree!

[compact knot]

what type of content are you doing

its definetly not astronomical

if its like 10-12s go for it big dawg

non slayer bladestorm feels awful to push and you might figure that out real quick haha

[radiant nimbus]

Word thats all i needed to hear! I am learning the spec & have just been having more fun spinning like a top lol

[compact knot]

oh if its for fun right now go ahead

[radiant nimbus]

Wanted to see if i am griefing the key by going it instead of ravager

[compact knot]

its only really griefing the key in anything higher than like a 14

[radiant nimbus]

Word. The slayer side of fury for M+ - is it alot worse? I read MT is better for survivability & sustain but slayer a bit better single target? If i am understanding it correctly

[compact knot]

not being able to cast in a long ass bladestorm doesnt feel good, and then once you switch to ravager and can get the same benefits from bladestorm (unhinged) AND you can cast your normal spells

[radiant nimbus]

Yeah that makes sense

Thanks for that info

[compact knot]

id argue slayer is better depending on the key + key level

[radiant nimbus]

Interesting

Imma start playing slayer i think

Felt nice in raids

But yeah ill give the M+ build a go

[compact knot]

MT is better sustain which matters much more in double digit keys

if you're learning im assuming its like 10s and below

[radiant nimbus]

Pretty much all i am doing is double digit ones so i guess that'll matter soon haha

But this is all super good info

Ty for the help!

[compact knot]

like 10s or 15s

[radiant nimbus]

10s right now but will be doing 15s when i have the gear

[compact knot]

i see

yeah at 10s you can play whatever and still time the key

[radiant nimbus]

Deffs. I guess ill have my fun while i can before the sweat comes out haha

[compact knot]

15+ i would play meta though

[radiant nimbus]

Noted

Appreciate the help!

[compact knot]

np

what even are the slayer m+ talents on wowhead

yeah those are pretty good

@radiant nimbus slayer is better boss damage, easier to play for you specifically since you have already played it in raid, decent at your key level since sustain dps doesnt matter much when you can just burst down the whole pack, also makes bladestorm way better to use, the biggest downside is just that you dont have cooldowns for every pack and are weaker in aoe outside of cooldowns.

but yeah you could play smf up to 15s and it wont be troll, keys pretty much 95% of the time rely on the healer and tank being good to time them anyways lol.

[smoky vale]

wiggling

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807809192537882647/1380846657582661682/wigglin_it_rn_care_to_join.gif

[flat river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1234786769606676480/1385667437944377434/attachment-9.gif

[clever path]

Windwalker > Fury

🗡️ 🗡️

[earnest canyon]

Mistweaver > Fury

[clever path]

Every class > fury

[flat river]

every class > fury > arms

[clever path]

Arms S tier wdym

[upper wigeon]

Listen trying to pick a backup class for 11.2 has been the worst

[clever path]

Is it actually worth levelling my fury back up in war within

[earnest canyon]

MM hunter, ez

[clever path]

I’m guild WW but I miss my fury

[upper wigeon]

but like eh

melee brain

[clever path]

Never mind

[upper wigeon]

wheres that at

[clever path]

Archon

Oof wow head also

[eternal sundial]

I care for tierlists

[radiant plank]

Tierlist season soon upon us

[unreal onyx]

I love tierlists

They are the most accurate representation in wow

[sudden tusk]

is there a premade tierlist for warrior abilities

might be a banger vid

[unreal onyx]

Put fury in C-tier literally every patch and you got one correct every time

[hardy cargo]

youre s+ in my tierlist

[radiant coyote]

hear me out

Slayer arms > Slayer Fury > Mounthain Thane Fury > Colossus Arms

[radiant plank]

?

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-thinks-hes-the-thinker-bro-thinking-bro-really-thinking-smartass-smart-gif-27381331

[radiant coyote]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290682458689507361/1388904310410186752/20250629_172916.gif

[eternal sundial]

cant be ss cuz im german

[sour frigate]

[south kayak]

[unreal onyx]

Bet you can

[eternal sundial]

I think that shit is banned nowadays

[undone flower]

He will deny it like my grandpa

[clever path]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-just-typing-shit-bro-just-typing-shit-gif-18336060238854257551

[radiant coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/dob-dob-dob-rizz-black-man-ha-ha-ha-gif-17039177668047803738

[clever path]

@fantasticturtle @indigo quarry

[fading sky]

If its fun in keys i agree

[undone flower]

I don’t play arms but colossus is more fun than thane as a hero talent

At least for prot, but I prefer thane gameplay, only bc unstoppable force

[fading sky]

Ok😂

I mean arms col in raid i likr

Arms col in keys less so

Sadly blizzard tuned it the opposite way being better🤣

[remote bobcat]

on p1 myth gallywix, when do we actually leap over to the adds to pump on em? I always feel forced to stay on gally for an unusually long time, mainly due to tanks being slow to pull the add packs

[clever path]

https://tenor.com/view/naked-mole-rat-cute-animal-dance-dancing-gif-12348282

[dense elbow]

Without having a clue, my warrior brain tells me to jump in if reck/roar/of/storm is ready to go

[remote bobcat]

no im talking about parsing specifically

and we always have bladestorm up on gally

due to us holding

[summer quail]

i attack them asap. if i die to aggro blame tanks

[fast mural]

No way you get aggro with a dev evoker in your raid

[remote bobcat]

one time during prog, before i had to go tank, i ended up leaping insta and tanks werent even close

u jsut get 1shot

they asked if they needed to assign painsup.

[remote bobcat]

ofc u get aggro when ur the only target

[fast mural]

We always wait for swirlies to be over before going in

Also movement abiities are banned for that

So we don't fuck us with swirlies

[remote bobcat]

im not talking prog garbage

im trying to get rank 1

[fast mural]

Then leap in pop defensive and pray

[remote bobcat]

no shot thats accurate though

[fast mural]

Have you checked what rank 1 parses is doing ?

[remote bobcat]

yes

their leaps are slightly different each time