We don’t rank mangas
#fury
undone flower
undone flower
Top anime, you don’t skip an episode of a top anime sorry
flat river
xan u are wrong
young swan
theres no reason to watch it
flat river
filler u must watch
young swan
wrong
young swan
why would I watch something thats not canon to the story
undone flower
filler is garbo but you still watch it becasue the anime is top ?
Just imagine they want me to not take account the worst episodes possible
flat river
why would I watch something thats not canon to the story
so when someone comes up to you randomly with anime trivia you can answer them
young swan
Just imagine they want me to not take account the worst episodes possible
its more like "imagine they want me to not take into account something that doenst technically exist"
young swan
Filler do exist in the anime
they dont have an impact on the main story and therefore should not be used to judge the main story
undone flower
So we are not judging animes but main stories then
earnest canyon
best anime:
undone flower
what else are you judging
The anime
young swan
okay so is one piece just auto-dogshit cause its 1k episodes
undone flower
wtf is that
radiant plank
okay so is one piece just auto-dogshit cause its 1k episodes
Finally someone gets it
indigo quarry
we should ban Gala just for wanting to make a tier list about Smash or Pass
weirdest shit ever
flat river
anime char though
indigo quarry
yeah even weirder
young swan
if u guys wanna continue the conversation we should take it to #off-topic and stop polluting fury
flat river
real
young swan
yeah but my name is blue so i have to do things
flat river
lmao
radiant plank
Damn
young swan
unluckers
flat river
mm
waxen vale
why did I read all that lol
humble shadow
Slayer in eco-dome is fun as hell
We just need a target cap adjustment and we good
fiery meteor
BiS worth buying on hero track?
clever belfry
if u guys wanna continue the conversation we should take it to <#238061143497768...
silence Moderator
plush zephyr
BiS worth buying on hero track?
Probably not. You’d likely be better off with a crafted, and choosing something like a Heroic Jastors but I don’t know what you have or gear but there is a priority list of what to purchase in #updates-midnight
fiery meteor
I got Jastors from weekly
plush zephyr
Are you going to be able to purchase anything myth track?
plush zephyr
Personally I’d probably spend it on a trinket
Cause you can literally get upgraded weapons from so many sources
fiery meteor
Yeah i am
plush zephyr
Sick
I love putting it on rat alts and seeing how much of an ilvl difference it is lmao
arctic portal
if bans based on transmog would be a thing here you would be OUT
rotund ginkgo
should i pacemaker or capital punisher as 3rd chip
well, pacemaker sims 0.7$%
so i guess that
slim coral
I would save the chip
or pacemaker
guess it really doesnt matter cause you'll probably want a trinket the first week of m0s anyways
undone flower
M0 is 681, so it will likely be replaced by them yes
I forgot if it is daily or weekly reset
last sparrow
m0 was daily i think right
last sparrow
ahhh
sour frigate
balls
undone flower
I can’t wait to hold my spark for 2 weeks again 
dense elbow
We hold for longer, cause it is better. Why? Because we scale with gear 
red escarp
Do fury priotize bloodthirst when the target is low hp?
fast mural
do you have the WA that tells you when to press BT ?
red escarp
Retail
fast mural
on retail we have vicious contempt for execute dmg on ST
and the crit chance from the tier set
red escarp
So if the bloodthirst glows just press it?
red escarp
Ah
fast mural
its buried somewhere in #updates-midnight
red escarp
Thanks
fast mural
it glows and makes a sound
timid forge
what are yall running for BTM ? Thane or Loboz?
red escarp
Ppl saying fury are dead next season kinda pressure me into playing arms so I switched to it, but arms putting me to sleep cause its too slow lol so I switched back to 🤣 fury
royal seal
Hey, how viable is Single Minded Fury? I'd like to use one-handed weapons for aesthetic reasons (don't judge me lol).
I'm mostly doing M+ (mid level keys) with Slayer. I'm what you could call a serious casual, trying to be efficient but don't care about +1% dmg.
plush zephyr
Ppl saying fury are dead next season kinda pressure me into playing arms so I sw...
The only other thing that itched the speed of fury for me was SF Fire Mage, which is my main alt. Super fun.
timid forge
bro if u wanna cosplay as frost dk go ahead nobody gonna stop ya.
compact knot
Hey, how viable is Single Minded Fury? I'd like to use one-handed weapons for ae...
Last time I checked it was like 15% worse
royal seal
Damn. 15% is a lot
compact knot
Probably A LOT more on aoe as well
royal seal
I wouldnt mind a small dps loss, but this is big.
timid forge
remember big swords = big numbers small swords = small numbers
compact knot
Yeah it's too much, mostly cause the 2 handers this season are extremely strong
royal seal
Eh, hopefully I can find a cool transmog so I don't have to use swords bigger than my character model (belf) lol
compact knot
I wanted to go smf for the hatsune miku transmog but that never came to be
royal seal
bro if u wanna cosplay as frost dk go ahead nobody gonna stop ya.
That's the idea - I love fdk aesthetic but I prefer Fury gameplay 😄
I main a combat rogue in classic
I'm searching for the same vibe
humble shadow
is there no good 1 min 30 sec trinkets for season 3?
fast mural
if that means we gonna get 2 passive ones is that realy that bad ?
fast mural
what?
humble shadow
they did this last tier and changed hoc in the ptr
mossy fox
is there no good 1 min 30 sec trinkets for season 3?
there's one from hoa but i dont think it's on ptr vendors
compact knot
on no.. its a channel trinket
Not as bad as you think
oblique trail
People will spend all of S3 complaining about it just like they did with Puzzle Box
👍
compact knot
Shame it's crit though
fast mural
is crit even gonna be good for fury ?
dense elbow
Hm? It isnt 15%, it is what 7% area, no?
dense elbow
I wouldnt mind a small dps loss, but this is big.
You dont lose more playing SMF, than just a portion that you lose of playing any other class. So just enjoy SMF if that is what you vibe with
compact knot
It'll be better than most trinkets, on uses are used with cds so you already have hella crit in cds, adding more is pretty overkill and kinda a waste
When you have 70% crit chance in cds, other stats tend to gain way more value
humble shadow
they should change the mastery trinket in eco-dome to be strength users as well
fast mural
priory trinket is still there
compact knot
Mastery trinket for the 8th season in the row zzz
dense elbow
Prio trinky aint 1.5m
fast mural
like that ever stopped us from using an on use trinket
compact knot
When you have 70% crit chance in cds, other stats tend to gain way more value
This is also why vers was such a good stat in DF
dense elbow
Depends on the setting, but often it should
compact knot
like that ever stopped us from using an on use trinket
It has this season...
fast mural
cause there is a 1.5 min trinket
compact knot
Pretty sure the button from cauldron would be bis like genuinely if it was 90 seconds
fast mural
if there are only 2 min on use trinkets we will still use them if they are strong
fading sky
Flat dmg profile approved
fading sky
I mean 1.5m .. when we dont rly burst that big
fast mural
maybe the warrior rework makes us a 2min spec
fading sky
Just make cds matter
compact knot
I mean 1.5m .. when we dont rly burst that big
Most 1.5 don't burst hard
fast mural
also BS and reck are every 30s and lines up with 2min
dense elbow
30sec... 60 sec... 1.5m (90 sec)
fast mural
ret is 30 sec doesnt count
fading sky
And 2m
dense elbow
Mah gawdh
fast mural
dense elbow
even 3m
fast mural
nerf ret
fading sky
30sec best cds.ever
fast mural
if they remove avatar we would be a 30s spec too
dense elbow
If they made Reck and BS always line up, we would be
fast mural
they are close enough
dense elbow
They could just set BS to be a set 45 sec CD with reck :v
fast mural
Bs makes me sad
what about unhinged tho
dense elbow
BS is a poor mans CD
fast mural
Bs is just an unhinged actuator
fading sky
what about unhinged tho
Its only there so we can push it in st
Doesnt help aoe
Let it cleave with ww stacks
fast mural
imagine if it would work with the sweeping and improved whirlwind
fast mural
bro reap is gonna be so dead on slayer when we wont even press BT
dense elbow
God I hate reap
If I got a CD that I got to build up, I dont want its potential to be a dice high roll of 'decent vs trash'
"But funky, if you do 1000000 bladestorms, it averages out!"
sod off
fast mural
just make reap proc of of BS and make it consistent like unhinged so every other BS hit procs it
fading sky
Aint is coz rb procs reap?
fast mural
rb doesnt proc it
fading sky
just make reap proc of of BS and make it consistent like unhinged so every othe...
Or hear me out
Just buff bs
dense elbow
Cant
fast mural
but then you still have reap rng
fading sky
"Burst"
dense elbow
50% of BS damage is based on Reap RNG
fading sky
Make bs great again
fast mural
buffing BS is kinda an issue cause we have random BS procs aswell
dense elbow
Rando BS procs? Huh
fast mural
Rando BS procs? Huh
you spin for a second sometimes
dense elbow
That is reap
royal seal
You dont lose more playing SMF, than just a portion that you lose of playing any...
What do you mean? Is fury in the bottom of the dps meter or something :3
dense elbow
not Bladestorm
dense elbow
What do you mean? Is fury in the bottom of the dps meter or something :3
Yes, by a mile, if you mean in M+. We only win if the ones you play with is so far beyond your skill level it is funny.
fast mural
it looks like bladestorm
fast mural
i thought reap was invisible
dense elbow
it is the RNG element of BS
fast mural
dense elbow
I hate reap
royal seal
Yes, by a mile, if you mean in M+. We only win if the ones you play with is so f...
Oh, that's sad. Well I guess it might change next season
fast mural
clearly they are cooking
fast mural
holding all the warrior changes until they have 2 pages full of changes
dense elbow
even if we aint even good in M+, just solid in raid
we will get nerfed
over and over and over
royal seal
Mabye
Looking at this it doesn't seem that bad?
Upper half
That's M+ rating
Above average
dense elbow
We got a ton of dedicated players
Insanely so
Doesnt make the spec better
it just means we got more nolifers
dense elbow
Nope, you just gotta accept that the premade carries your slack
your friends back will take the load
while you get your rating
royal seal
But but the ranking
royal seal
But why, since the numbers looks good
dense elbow
Check streams, ya will spot something. Then check other streams of other classes. There will be something that sticks out.
Can you do content, sure. Will you feel like a boostie all the way? For sure.
royal seal
I mean reading the ranking, it looks like the class does more number than a lot of other class with the same gear
I'm new with warrior, just reading stuff
earnest canyon
I mean reading the ranking, it looks like the class does more number than a lot ...
what do number mean though? How is we know?
It is a mystery
dense elbow
I dont want to put a dampener on your spirit, but reality is: we are weak but fine.
fast mural
its not about dps its about UtIlItY
royal seal
I played a ret pala a few month ago, dps was meh but I had so much utility I never felt useless in M+
hopefully it might be the same
fast mural
dps was meh ?
fast mural
you press divine storm and outdps fury
royal seal
I'm a casual and I'm bad
earnest canyon
bursting down large packs of adds fast is utility
dense elbow
If only we had burst and damage
we would have a spot in a niche
"but funky.. the raid! ohhh the adds in the raid!!"
Sod
off
fast mural
"but funky.. the raid! ohhh the adds in the raid!!"
if that would be the case boomies mass aoe would have been nerfed
dense elbow
They dont care if chickens and shit do stuff. It is only burst AoE, something we did well before they gutted it to the bone
Anything that makes ppl look bad in low keys, is really prone for nerfs
chickens dont look op lowkeys
fast mural
or hear me out
they just dont make adds that die in 5 seconds
dense elbow
Fury, we for sure 100% did
dense elbow
What do you mean, I said we are 'fine' and can do the content. But, others will have to carry your ass. This is M+.
Raid we are simply fine. Nothing special, but fine.
sullen dove
u say the word fine one more time
dense elbow
Saer, if you aint doing higher content either way - just play and have fun. It wont affect you much. But when DPS gets tight, and you got to push more to get the keys done... well, ppl wont build the route around your dam profile. But the real damage dealers in this game that can efficently do so. That is PuG life.
We get carried, trying to make up all the slack and weight we bring on bosses and prio mobs.
sullen dove
I will literally blow up
sullen dove
no one gives a fuck bout m+ either play arms or gg
dense elbow
Classic arms player in chat
sullen dove
they not gonna tune specs around the 0.01% of keys being pushed
no one cares how big you pull in those keys
That’s the groups perogative
dense elbow
Arms here to defend that Fury should just stay bad, so you dont have to play it
yawn
royal seal
As long as I can do my +10 keys without doing less dps than the tank I'll be happy
pulsar quest
if there was ever a time to not be upset about warriors place in m+ pug life its rn
dense elbow
You can, 100%
pulsar quest
we are as close to meta as we have been in a long time
phys comp is just barely falling behind meta comp
royal seal
Then I'll have my fun while wielding my two swords and screaming around
dense elbow
10s wont be an issue, play Slayer and things will die so fast you kinda look decent.
royal seal
gud enough
dense elbow
Just beware, if you think ret is bad dam, Fury warrior is a lot worse.
pulsar quest
Fury warrior is just a completely different damage profile than ret
ret is all aoe death machine no prio
pulsar quest
fury is literally funnel around its main target
royal seal
I prefer sustain over burst, and I feel like fury is more about this
royal seal
Then I'll like it
pulsar quest
fury is all about funnelling damage off the main target
dense elbow
Funneling damage off the main target?
pulsar quest
yeah meat cleaver just cleaves off your single target on your priority target
dense elbow
Fury lose ST doing AoE on the prio target, we dont do more. So we aint a funnel spec. We just got decent prio dam for the cost of lower AoE potential.
pulsar quest
You dont do aoe on the prio target
you full ST it
you just cleave everything off it
dense elbow
You lose every 5 globals, to WW. Fair, you Thane. So you lose less globals to get MeatCleaver stacks
radiant plank
arms is the real prio monster, sending ms on cd to prio target whilst doing full aoe
pulsar quest
we barely timed a 19 rook last night and my MS resets
were out of this world on the last boss
dense elbow
Pftz, they will make (4) slayer be a 100% chance to reap on RB
pulsar quest
like i did 130 MS casts on that boss or something
dense elbow
gonna beat your arms ass
Also reap gonna do 250% dam as Fury
I am actually not sure that is enough to beat arms
pulsar quest
I did MT and slayer fury on PTR keys this week
and slayer felt way better
unfortunately
dense elbow
Thane I will wait on to have an opinion, till after they actually fixed the set
it is clearly not where they intend or want it to be
pulsar quest
lets hope they fix it
fast mural
they made the tier undertuned on purpose cause thane is just too strong
pulsar quest
it could make fury very good in m+ if it did good damage with a good proc rate
dense elbow
100%, Thane must beat Slayer in M+
fast mural
why tho
pulsar quest
sustained aoe (MT) vs short burst aoe (slayer)
fast mural
sustained aoe coming from 1 button
dense elbow
Slayer will be standing to be better than it is in this season either way, as we get more storms off and (probably) a lot more reaps
pulsar quest
yes that procs like every few seconds
pulsar quest
ret palading is sustained aoe coming from 1 button isnt it
fast mural
30s CDs
dense elbow
They increased the spinny hammer to 1.5m, for the next patch, no?
fast mural
did they?
dense elbow
I just barely remember my mate complain about the CD was increased on it
fast mural
good
dense elbow
Being all "doom has come for thee"
He still gonna do twice my AoE dps
so who cares
slim coral
What do you mean, I said we are 'fine' and can do the content. But, others will ...
this is the mindset that has kept this spec the same for 7 years
slim coral
u say the word fine one more time
@sullen dove pull the trigger
fast mural
this is the mindset that has kept this spec the same for 7 years
in what way do you mean "the same"
cause i feel like every spec is kinda the same
slim coral
in what way do you mean "the same"
stale boring bland
whens the last time fury got something new in its talents
or warrior in general
pulsar quest
i heard madox say one time he wishes fury was like a barbardian from diablo just slamming all the time
fast mural
the only difference every spec has are tier sets no ?
fast mural
and maybe hero talents
slim coral
the only difference every spec has are tier sets no ?
no
sullen dove
all specs are boring
sullen dove
“Oh boy I’m an mm hunter times to hit aimed shot all the time for the last 10 years”
slim coral
just for example
dense elbow
MM hunter is fun atm, cause of the explosiveshot+tierset combo
slim coral
Frost and unholy got plenty of new toys
dense elbow
Big boom, big fun
fast mural
bro execute is brown on collosus
sullen dove
my grip is not a raid buff grrr
slim coral
lol
dense elbow
"my grip" class traitor spotted
fast mural
it realy shouldnt be
fast mural
i dont even like the thought of blizz creating bosses which require grips
i rather have it being optional
sullen dove
don’t need more zskarns
slim coral
I mean all thye have to do is make amz do something
fast mural
it's really just down to tuning
no warrior duing rfw bandit and gally 
slim coral
and dk is being brought all the time
slim coral
no warrior duing rfw bandit and gally <:critcake:984549832511344640>
liquid's warrior didnt get a myth weapon
sullen dove
Course who cares about 4 months into the tier in an alt run
slim coral
or they would of brought him
fast mural
oh F
sullen dove
saying “my dk is brought” wow no way
slim coral
Course who cares about 4 months into the tier in an alt run
yeah one thing that is good about always being brought to push keys is that you have more to do after prog
sullen dove
But like yea dks even complaining about not having a raid buff like literally does not matter outside of top like 10 world raiding
slim coral
yep
sullen tendon
People keep confusing reworks and revamps with complete overhauls. All other specs have had either complete overhauls like survival or outlaw or revamps and reworks that changed what their specs focus on for damage and the visuals and class fantasy of them have been improved. Fury has gotten none of these for 10 years the only thing they have changed is switching between ravager and odyns fury through tier sets and tuning they have done nothing to actually change the spec
dense elbow
If warrior balance is so behind, even with AP shout, that the difference between HC track and mythic track weapon is enough to get them sat. Then that is a problem.
sullen dove
I mean they just have a prot warrior every boss
slim coral
also I'd be more fine waiting for the rework if it was in 12.0 if they would buff OF
sullen dove
shout already brought
fast mural
they sat battle shout when running 3 to 4 ww monks btw
dense elbow
Raid buff is doing its job
slim coral
there's no reason our capstones cds should be doing no damage in ST
sullen dove
Gally had like 3-4 mages
slim coral
was kinda crazy
pulsar quest
i am scared of ww3
pauck proc
sullen tendon
If warrior balance is so behind, even with AP shout, that the difference between...
The balance is not a problem. Again the tuning is not what people are upset about it’s the 7 trillion reworks and revamps that happen every patch that fury is just left out of
dense elbow
i am scared of ww3
Dont be, it will be over in a flash. Hopefully you top the DPS meter in that moment.
Bobby on about bad take trainpush again?
Cba to try to understand what he on about. It makes my head hurt 9/10 times.
slim coral
If warrior balance is so behind, even with AP shout, that the difference between...
I mean fury's cds just do no damage
fast mural
idk man the last major thing that happend to warrior was in S1 DF
slim coral
nerubar was the first time fury had actual cds
fast mural
hes got a pont
slim coral
and they just nuked it
sullen tendon
idk man the last major thing that happend to warrior was in S1 DF
What was that major thing
fast mural
it was the first "rework" of the expac
clever path
What was that major thing
cool execute tierset with alot of sudden death procs
sullen tendon
Reworked to remove the. Ability to do stuff lol
dense elbow
You say that, as I am not aware, or that I dont want Fury to have burst CDs 
I fought team flat to the death
sullen tendon
Moving shcokwave isn’t a rework
dense elbow
Every team flat member hate me
fast mural
thats what we called it at the time
dense elbow
as I refuse to back down
fast mural
cause we didnt know what ret would get
dense elbow
Flat is boring
sullen tendon
That’s how abused we are as fury warriors
fast mural
warriors in general
sullen tendon
People have been brainwashed into thinking a 120% buff to whirlwind is a massive change
pulsar quest
i just show up and press my buttons and accept my fate
dense elbow
120% on WW was huge tho
pulsar quest
ive come to terms with the state of warrior
compact knot
The balance is not a problem. Again the tuning is not what people are upset abou...
6 trillion of them are arcane mage (it gets worse everytime they touch it)
sullen dove
very huge 2% damage gain
pulsar quest
and just enjoy the class as much as i can
dense elbow
4% in M+ ish
sullen dove
Only cuz we’re forced to hit the button every 5 global
slim coral
You say that, as I am not aware, or that I dont want Fury to have burst CDs <:Hy...
you can still have cds that do dmage while being flat they are not the smae
dense elbow
Depends on how you define flat and spiky
sullen dove
Df s3 best fury
slim coral
Df s3 best fury
yep
compact knot
Df s3 best fury
HES RIGHT
pulsar quest
df owned kinda
pulsar quest
remember execute thunderclap set
slim coral
finally someone understands the s3 pov
compact knot
Peak fury was s3 fury
compact knot
finally someone understands the s3 pov
Been saying this smh
pulsar quest
df in general was fun for warrior
fast mural
anihiliator lmao
sullen tendon
Df s3 best fury
nononono all of the Europeans are right dude season 2 set is the way to vote for season 4
dense elbow
I prefer the TWW beta/launch Fury
fast mural
do you like smf aswell?
slim coral
anihiliator lmao
atleast we had cds
sullen dove
nononono all of the Europeans are right dude season 2 set is the way to vote for...
“Europeans”
sullen tendon
Thank you European vote bitters
sullen dove
🤖
slim coral
gameplay was not bad
sullen tendon
people only like S3 cause it did good dmg
People liked season 3 becusee raging blow didn’t exist
sullen dove
I like s3 cause when you hit avatar you know you were about to pipe
compact knot
I like s3 because pushing raging blow is FUCKING STUPID
sullen tendon
Raging blow is a problem
sullen dove
1mil damage bb’s is why it was good
slim coral
season 2 is the same as season 3 in terms of number of gcds
young swan
People liked season 3 becusee raging blow didn’t exist
people liked season 3 cause we had a real tierset
sullen tendon
Raging blow does fucking nothing but hit hard
compact knot
1mil damage bb’s is why it was good
Shit bro I was hitting 5m bbs on smolderon
sullen dove
literally who cares whether u hit raging blow or any other button
slim coral
people liked season 3 cause we had a real tierset
that too
fast mural
Raging blow does fucking nothing but hit hard
thats the same for bloodbath
sullen dove
It’s avatar actually giving you fucking anything worth a damn damage wise
sullen dove
wow 20% flat buff that u don’t even notice in current gameplay
sullen dove
very strong cooldown
sullen tendon
thats the same for bloodbath
It’s for all our abilities they are all glorified auto attacks that just make the next auto attack ability you press do more damage
slim coral
wow 20% flat buff that u don’t even notice in current gameplay
Remove avatar
it's a plague
young swan
Annhilator > raging blow
had disagree
the only reason rb sucks right now is cause its so overbearing
dense elbow
I prefer RB play, over Annhi+Storm play
fast mural
It’s for all our abilities they are all glorified auto attacks that just make th...
warrior class fantasy
sullen dove
Anni/rb whatever are the same really doesn’t matter much
slim coral
Avatar is literally holding the spec back from good gameplay
sullen tendon
Raging blow auto attack makes rampage auto attack do more damage that makes bt auto attack do more damage that makes rb auto attack do more damage
Sick gameplay loop
Generalized
slim coral
like Dan said just bake avatar into reck and call it a day
fast mural
yeah i think you should just play ret
fast mural
rogue would also fall under auto attack simulator
sullen dove
Yea just merge ava and reck no reason for them to be separate
sullen dove
And make reck good
sullen tendon
I want fury to have more interaction than just feeding damage into raging blow
sullen dove
yes
slim coral
the only reason rb sucks right now is cause its so overbearing
well now you have Execute over everything which is kinda weird
sullen dove
the odyns thing
fast mural
stop saying that 1 button makes the spec good
sullen dove
well now you have Execute over everything which is kinda weird
Sudden death
slim coral
yeah
young swan
well now you have Execute over everything which is kinda weird
how it should be
sullen dove
Execute itself still mid asf 😂
dense elbow
Fury is fun when odyns is good
young swan
rb is still overbearing even so
earnest canyon
Execute itself still mid asf 😂
execute should always be a signature warrior ability, not this building stacks or it hits like a wet fart
compact knot
Deadass bro they nerfed odyns and then I quit warrior entirely
Buff that shit again
sullen tendon
The reason all these other specs do so much better than us is because they all have extra abilities that happen when they do stuff. Things like casting x on a target affected by your x caused an explosion that hits all nearby enemies. Fury has nothing like that whole every other spec does
fast mural
slayer strikes
dense elbow
You complain about RB not doing enough?
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young swan
slayer strikes
yeah thats why our 2 set fucking owns
slim coral
The reason all these other specs do so much better than us is because they all h...
yeah other specs have actual cds
not a cd that is just a flat 20%
that's why they gotta remove avatar
sullen tendon
Avatar shouso have reckless abandon baked into it
dense elbow
yeah thats why our 2 set fucking owns
its also big that the (2) isnt random, it is a 100% chance. Not 20% or something stupid. Just a guarenteed boost.
sullen dove
Replace smf with fan of longswords
sullen tendon
Or cause our thunder blasts to echo or something
fast mural
avatar can cast Odyns fury 
young swan
its also big that the (2) isnt random, it is a 100% chance. Not 20% or something...
yeah its sick as fuck
young swan
yeah 4 sucks bad
fast mural
(2) slayer made me happy, (4) makes me doom
2 piece is entirely RNG casue SD procs already
compact knot
Using whirlwind casts odyns fury
young swan
Also avatar has no cd reduction anymore
in modern wow it never has
compact knot
Using rampage casts odyns fury
sullen tendon
in modern wow it never has
Bfa had avatar reduction and warriors were great
young swan
the last time avatar had cdr wouldve been wod i think
dense elbow
Using rampage casts odyns fury
Stop.
slim coral
well they kill OF avatar talent and then never buffed OF it return for whatever reason
young swan
Bfa had avatar reduction and warriors were great
no it didnt
fast mural
Using rampage casts odyns fury
torghast power go away
young swan
i played that xpac a lot
sullen tendon
no it didnt
The heart of Azeroth
I guess it’s less of a cooldown and more of an extension to make it seem shorter
dense elbow
well they kill OF avatar talent and then never buffed OF it return for whatever ...
Only 60% more in buffs (and no more 50% ramp/bt/rb buffs in between) and we are in a place where OF does dam
sullen tendon
You basically shaved off half your avatar cd by just getting avatar procs
slim coral
OF needs like a 200 percent buff
dense elbow
60% would be more than enough
fast mural
remove odyns and make whirlwind have a bleed
slim coral
also not that I like onslaught but that talent hasnt seen play in forever
why do they just ignore ons?
just makes no sense
sullen dove
On god put s3 set as capstone under of
compact knot
OF needs like a 200 percent buff
Remember when our tier set buffed odyns by 50%
sullen dove
who cares how much dmg of does then
dense elbow
Cause OS is just RB+
compact knot
Peak
young swan
You basically shaved off half your avatar cd by just getting avatar procs
it procced avatar for prot not fury
sullen tendon
They need to rework the entire talent tree and add new abilities
fast mural
why do they just ignore ons?
yep 2 keystones now completly useless
sullen dove
merge onslaught with bt or execute
dense elbow
^
sullen dove
longer cooldown for either but they do more
dense elbow
hmmm, maybe
slim coral
basically any cds we do have are just so bad they're basically non existent
sullen tendon
The left and right half empower our supposed to be filler abilities and make them too strong and our capstone talents are too barebones
compact knot
Make fury combo point based and at max combo points you can cast condemn
slim coral
like look at forst dk this tier for example they take all their capstones at some point
fast mural
they could just go all in on blooththirst as an execute button below 35% and buff vicious contempt
at least then we would press it
without having to track a crit buff *
dense elbow
If the tree isnt built so:
- If you can take an end-node point you want to.
then it has failed design wise
sullen tendon
They are waiting until the end of tww so they can bake slayer talents into he fury tree in midnight beta
fast mural
too bad they force us to get unhinged
cause otherwise slayer would crumble
the whole spec build upon 1 passiv talent
sullen tendon
too bad they force us to get unhinged
They force us to get unhinged and place it on a choice mode that will never be used ever becusee the ability on the choice node reduces your damage
slim coral
Compare fury's to this
we got 10 capstones 7 are dead basically
or just so bad you take the least bad one
sullen tendon
Give us maldraxxus banner back
dense elbow
Yeah, but what you dont get is, if OF does dam... it causes problems in raid
we cant have that
compact knot
Man how cooked is it that our left tree is all damage based
Only class like that
Rogue maybe is a bit like that I think
sullen tendon
Yeah, but what you dont get is, if OF does dam... it causes problems in raid
Rework it like breath of sidnesgosa to be a charge ability
fast mural
armoured to the teeth is also a problem imo
fast mural
just give us MoP talents back
slim coral
that way it's good in m+ and not so op in raid
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dense elbow
Just move cap from 5 to 8, then buff TR as needed
Small steps, get a 60% dam buff on it
and things are quite solid
sullen tendon
Tuning tuning tuning tuning
fast mural
still capped at 5
sullen tendon
It’s not only rb lol
clever path
Tuning tuning tuning tuning
tung tung tung tung tung...
sullen tendon
It’s everything
slim coral
kinde of
sullen tendon
are hunter abilities not also just autoattacks?
They actually interact with each other
slim coral
but their cds do shit
sullen tendon
Multi shot makes you beast cleave
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slaughtering strikes
sullen tendon
Arcane shot causes extra damage
sullen tendon
thats what abilities do
That’s what our abilities don’t do lol
sullen tendon
All our abilities are just as they come they don’t do anything else
fast mural
Rb does more dmg than autoattacks doesnt i t
compact knot
Rapid fire makes you auto attack more
sullen tendon
Rb does more dmg than autoattacks doesnt i t
Tuning tuning tuning
compact knot
That's pretty fire
sullen tendon
You guys would be satisfied if they just made all fury damage do 20% more
undone flower
They increased the spinny hammer to 1.5m, for the next patch, no?
It is to make the one button assistant better on ret
dense elbow
I wonder if Bobby think rage isnt a thing, nor is secondary effects?
sullen tendon
I have to explain the problems with the spec every time I talk to you guys because your brains just push out what I said and replace it with it’s just a tuning problem
fast mural
nobody said anyhting about tuning
sullen tendon
Becusee you think it’s fine
dense elbow
the rotwood is so wormridden that the worms is what is holding it together
sullen tendon
It’s not fine
undone flower
I do think rage is not really a thing for fury
fast mural
you said our abilites dont interact with stuff and we say they do
dense elbow
"but arcane shot does extra damage", so "arcane shot does more raw dam, in two elements" is more complex than RB does raw dam, and increases dam on two different abilities.
sullen tendon
you said our abilites dont interact with stuff and we say they do
They don’t affect enemies at all all they do is buff rb or rampage which changes nothing about how we play or what we do. We still just do our normal rotation in aoe or st and add whirlwind.
dense elbow
You say that as if that is a problem, and not a charm of Fury gameplay
plush zephyr
I have to explain the problems with the spec every time I talk to you guys becau...
No I think everyone’s just, reasonable and what you want is most of the time a jumbled mess and your complaints are about everything it seems
clever path
They don’t affect enemies at all all they do is buff rb or rampage which changes...
okay bud. now you done messed up.
fast mural
thats just a fury issue
sullen dove
bro said charm
dense elbow
I find it charming
sullen dove
Big pauck
sullen tendon
"but arcane shot does extra damage", so "arcane shot does more raw dam, in two e...
Arcane shot and multi shot cause extra hits from the sentinel tree you want to press them becusee they do extra aoe seperwte from the base damage
undone flower
Im not sure if ww is in the fury charming rotation
sullen dove
Reap kinda our version of that prolly
fast mural
1 more dmg number pops up when pressing a button and bobby things this is good spec design
undone flower
Yeah when I mean rotation it is button press
fast mural
he would love slayer strikes next season
sullen tendon
It is just more raw dam
No it gives devs more options to change Damage if they need and add new effects if they need later. Fury has none of this so all they can do is keep tuning the same 5 abilities up and down because of meat cleaver.
dense elbow
Blizz:
- Fury, all buttons now do 5% of its damage as fire damage
BobbyBoon
"YES WE ARE FIXED, YEEEEES!"
sullen tendon
Fury has no room for new interactions
fast mural
there is no difference between buffing the core ability or buffing the thing that procs of of that ability
dense elbow
^
sullen dove
Blizz:
- Fury, all buttons now do 5% of its damage as fire damage
BobbyBoon
"YES...
I mean would be the most impactful buff for us yea
fast mural
its the same button
sullen dove
Big armor ignore
dense elbow
Well, depends - procs are RNG, and more often prone to feel bad
undone flower
Bc the charm for fury is the rhythm between BT-RB-Rampage, question is does ww is charming
dense elbow
Higher baseline often means more reliable dam, and based on preferences. That is a good or bad thing.
I prefer reliable dam
sullen tendon
They could actually add abilities that work off other things instead of just adding more shit to raging blow and bt
fast mural
ww feels a bit like rend for arms
just something you have to keep up
but doesnt realy feel good
undone flower
Yes it is an added step to the flow of finger dance on keyboard
dense elbow
It is part of the rotational dance
undone flower
It is charming yes, I would say
slim coral
I miss ra
fast mural
i dont
sullen dove
2 am seasons back to back
dense elbow
I dont miss RA in particular, it was just there
sullen dove
please god no
fast mural
its just a nother color of RB
dense elbow
I prefer AM :v
fast mural
AM just keeps blasting
young swan
im tired of am
undone flower
I prefer AM, if you don’t need to align yes
fast mural
i dont like the 1.5 min gap between CDs
undone flower
But RA if we are bursty
dense elbow
Would be fun if they did something about current RA
fast mural
i like having reck every 30s
dense elbow
RA needs to at least make you do 50% more dam, while it runs, or you wont have a chance to feel anything from it.
fast mural
you guys would probably like RA with powerfull enrage 
undone flower
It is funny bc reck doesn’t do much, I wonder why I like to have reck every 30 sec
modest condor
AM my beloved
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cause you press ramp alot more
dense elbow
Cause it speeds up things for its duration thanks to rage going boing boing, so you get a period of feeling pewpew zoomzoom
young swan
It is funny bc reck doesn’t do much, I wonder why I like to have reck every 30 s...
100% rage gen
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^
clever path
would you rather get raging blown or blood thirsted in real life
dense elbow
Is the guy angry or not?
fast mural
blood thirsted sounds like some vampire stuff
undone flower
100% rage gen
In my brain RB-BT are no different than rampage,
clever path
Is the guy angry or not?
not sure... depends on the time of the month.
undone flower
Except Blizz chose it as spender
dense elbow
I take my chances then, RB me
slim coral
i dont like the 1.5 min gap between CDs
brother we have no cds
undone flower
So I don’t have particularly better feeling if I press rampage more vs I press RB more
fast mural
we are talking about RA
slim coral
most of your damage is coming from your rb and bt
undone flower
(Why I like RA)
slim coral
might as well take RA
fast mural
i was talking about having RA and everything being 1.5 min
dense elbow
Just buff Storm by 30% and OF by 60%, then we got some CD power at least. (also keep remember to buff them up as other things gets buffed)
undone flower
Yes and I’m talking about AM, and why I like having reck every 30% even tho I don’t feel better pressing more rampage during reck
Bc in my brain it doesn’t break if I press RB over rampage
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it just feels like it speeds things up
cause ramp has a lot of hits
could just be sound design on ramp tbh
or the dmg numbers popping up
dense elbow
Remember when we asked for BT to have a offhand hit? Still one of the best fixes I know of
undone flower
I think it is visual of seeing the rage bar up and down faster
Now that I try to focus on what I like with reck
undone flower
I don’t see bigger hits when I play
fast mural
ngl combat numbers are better turned of so you can see more
undone flower
I don’t check the damage pops sorry
dense elbow
I like Twilight Dev, simply because it is the one thing that does some dam in one hit
Big number makes my brain release dopamine
undone flower
I just like the void tornado
young swan
Remember when we asked for BT to have a offhand hit? Still one of the best fixes...
yeah ur welcome
dense elbow
❤️
undone flower
Launching big ass tornados is my dopamine from TD
fast mural
can both of those hits proc reap ?
young swan
in theory yeah thats how it would work
young swan
well each hit would have have a chance to proc reap
undone flower
Don’t forget UF
dense elbow
Reap got ICD, so that aint a problem
please just make reap a 100% thing
I am sick of RNG
compact knot
Bloodthirst and raging blow now build combo points and at 5 combo points you can use condemn
🙏
dense elbow
Yuck
compact knot
Get rid of rage and rampage
junior oyster
Combo points suck
dense elbow
But I like rage it is a neat recourse bar system
compact knot
Ok
undone flower
No because like I noticed, seeing rage depletion on damage button press is satisfying
fast mural
ok i forgot RA only happens during reck now
and im alot more in favor for this
compact knot
Bloodthirst and raging blow generate 20 rage and at 100 rage you can use condemn
fast mural
thought it was still the rampage and then 2 charges thing
compact knot
Don't even have to redesign AM or RA how peak is that
dense elbow
Why do you want to cast a weakass execute so badly, Kha?
fast mural
oh like the dragonkick from monk
dense elbow
Condemn felt weak it was weak, it just did good overall dam from being cast all day long
dense elbow
Execute shouldnt do good dam from being cast all the time, it should do good dam in execute phase
fast mural
what if you take that consept and use it for OF instead
undone flower
oh like the dragonkick from monk
Rage is a mirage if between every rampage we RB+BT once
fast mural
consuming 100 rage
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someones gotta do it
dense elbow
Care Bazed, I know ppl who mod the EU forum
compact knot
what if you take that consept and use it for OF instead
AND IT MAKES YOUR NEXT 2 ABILITIES HIT 8 TARGETS
compact knot
HAHAHAHA
fast mural
AND IT MAKES YOUR NEXT 2 ABILITIES HIT 8 TARGETS
lets not get too ridiculous
lets not give them another reason to remove a 8 target cap
slim coral
Care Bazed, I know ppl who mod the EU forum
I'm NA
dense elbow
Dang it
fast mural
just post it in both
young swan
@slim coral which vendor on ptr gives the reshi wraps
undone flower
AND IT MAKES YOUR NEXT 2 ABILITIES HIT 8 TARGETS
That’s what I was thinking, when I imagined what AM/RA capstones would be
fast mural
shouldnt they read NA more
dense elbow
The inside the raid vendor
slim coral
<@137623498351837184> which vendor on ptr gives the reshi wraps
big cow infront of bank
young swan
ok found it
slim coral
infront of dornogal
fast mural
tuesday
compact knot
RA should make bloodbath and crushing blow hit 8 targets when you have ww buff, everything else is 5 target
fast mural
or are you talking about warrior changes specificly
compact knot
God what an idea
fast mural
cause thats gotta take a month
dense elbow
A month
young swan
Like a week or two?
tuesday or wednesday
dense elbow
I chose Xan's reality, over R4v0n
slim coral
Btw, when is next PTR build coming ya lads think?
Chewsday
dense elbow
Nah, prot gonna have some nerfs in it
as per usual
"block rating futher reduced 24% 12% 6%
fast mural
ok the only change i can see they put in are thane tier set buffs
dense elbow
Ya think they will go full steam ahead with Slayer (4)?
fast mural
they mentioned since DF S2 that they are happy with warrior and they said in after S1 TWW aswell
i lost all hope for reworks
undone flower
Ya think they will go full steam ahead with Slayer (4)?
I don’t think (4) intent is to scale with targets
dense elbow
But that.. doesnt make... sense
undone flower
UF doesn’t scale with targets
sullen dove
I mean wording alone it should scale with targets that have overwhelmed on them
dense elbow
^
sullen dove
Which would maybe sorta buff fury in specifically 5 target
Cuz your rb hits those targets and procs reap more
dense elbow
and help on mass AoE
sullen dove
But if there’s some more that get pulled in later maybe u rb ones without overwhelmed or less stacks so less reap
fast mural
tier set could be target capped
undone flower
Help on mass AoE is target caps topic don’t cope
sullen dove
but that is like “gameplay reinforcing” to keep your debuff up
Which should be more common with more mfe consumption and more reaps baseline from 4set
young swan
UF doesn’t scale with targets
reap does
sullen dove
like st at least you’d have to omega choke to not keep 100% overwhelmed up probably
undone flower
I think as is, the set could go well for AoE, if bs did damage
dense elbow
Fair, 20 sec, no reaps would be true doom and gloom
but then why not just make the (4) BT now always reap
sullen dove
Wait rare good funky cook
buff bt’s reap proc chance instead
so it’s way higher chance in aoe and a bit higher in st/bs
dense elbow
Reap shouldnt not be RNG at all, if you ask me. But hey, cant get what we want.
sullen dove
Instead of 2 buttons doing the same thing on st
undone flower
but then why not just make the (4) BT now always reap
Can multiple reap happen in that scenario
hardy cargo
combine buffed reap and bring back unhinged cleave
dense elbow
No
young swan
Can multiple reap happen in that scenario <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
reap has an iCD
red berry
it mostly always procs in 5 targets anyway
undone flower
You already have really high chance of reap at 5 targets, it’s a ST (4) ?
undone flower
reap has an iCD
Was asking in his hypothetical
dense elbow
it mostly always procs in 5 targets anyway
My RNG lucks speaks to differ, especially BS RNG
red berry
i know you talk about RNG so much but i promise you that's a you thing
dense elbow
If I do 4 BTs in a row, and dont reap
I almost just wanna walk into swirly
and end it
Reap RNG isnt good for Slayer at all. It is just unnecessary frustration.
dense elbow
Btw, on a positive note, they keep pushing animation updates. I do like that
undone flower
If I do 4 BTs in a row, and dont reap
If you are fight 5 targets, it is VERY unlikely you get 0 reap with 4 BT
fast mural
Btw, on a positive note, they keep pushing animation updates. I do like that
they made the sythe one on DK worse tho
sullen dove
I mean every spec has to have some amount of rng otherwise it would actually be terrible
dense elbow
Crit is RNG, slayerstrikes is RNG, SD is RNG
sullen dove
the only time u like notice reap feeling shit is really quick add spawns on raid bosses
dense elbow
we got a lot of RNG
sullen dove
But in regular st/regular m+ its plenty consistent
dense elbow
Oppertunist is RNG
fast mural
unbridled ferocity
dense elbow
We dont need reap on RNG train
fast mural
auto attack crit rng
undone flower
Each time you press BT with 5 targets, it’s 67% chance of having a reap
red berry
reap is not bad in five targets whatsoever man idk what else to say
sullen dove
the low and high end of all of those things u mentioned is maybe 10% difference
but almost never do you low roll or high roll that hard
Like u do notice a fun spurt of “wow my bs is off cd in 30 seconds”
red berry
as a matter of fact you will proc more reap with slayer assuming it is corrected because you will have far more chances to proc it lmao
sullen dove
but it’s not common enough to matter
modest condor
reap is not bad in five targets whatsoever man idk what else to say
dont mind funkykitty you're not gonna convince him that reap rng is low on aoe
modest condor
and even there it was only like 2% difference
dense elbow
I will agree to disagree, if a BS procs all 4, you kinda feel ok. It doesnt at all, you feel shit.
sullen dove
I do think I had the worse reap rng I could’ve had on my first gally kill
modest condor
there he goes again
sullen dove
I once saw it as like 8% of my dmg in a low pull and on kill it was like 2.5%
But even still whateva
undone flower
I think not getting reap during reck is what siphon the fun bc rng
modest condor
with his 100000 events thing
i didnt know there were 100000 adds spawns on broodtwister
dense elbow
It averages out, that is my point. I wont disagree on that.
sullen dove
I mean unless u even track them u have no idea how many reaps u do on a bs