fury

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-work-computer-gif-27188768

This is gonna be the first ST boss coming up so we’ll see how bad fury is

[smoky vale]

have you been cranking

also does this mean i have to play fury again

or can i just press the cleave button

[slim coral]

Fury needs buff tldr

[woven valley]

That’s been the theme since DF launch

Maybe one or two short times we don’t but during those times we got giga nerfed

[whole yacht]

False. S1 start we pumped.

[woven valley]

I still remember 4 straight weeks of nerfs

[whole yacht]

I agree with your 2nd message

[whole yacht]

Is this ptr?

[slim coral]

Yes

[whole yacht]

Checks out

[young swan]

tell velusha i said hi

also moonkin just broken

100m dmg starsurge

wahoo

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-cha-pri-gif-4196443019552842049

[echo rapids]

Me: makes sense, they slap on aoe
Also me: oh that’s a ST fight

[south kayak]

Yeah the tier piece from one of the balance hero talents is broken

I was testing it a few days ago and I thought my details was bugged

Keeper of the Grove

it did like 100m damage from one starsurge

[whole yacht]

yes

[south kayak]

this is clearly not intended

[sour frigate]

plot twist dudu runs one button mode

[south kayak]

I don't think fury needs buffs as much as some specs' tier sets are broken and need nerfs

[echo rapids]

It unequivocally needs aoe help

But ST should just be minor tuning

[south kayak]

That's not what I'm talking about but I agree

[echo rapids]

Yeah there are some broken sets right now

[sour frigate]

Basically every set but fury thane?

[south kayak]

There are really good sets, which are like a good part of them but there are broken ones like balance

and idk what else

[graceful ruin]

is enh gonna be stupid for the 8th season in a row

[south kayak]

wasn't s1 the only one they have been

you got ptsd from enha or what

[slim coral]

@sullen dove

I did 2.8 as fury

Can do more with pot and meta trinkets

[dense elbow]

Pretty good, that should carry us through the M+ season as prio dam dealer

[dense elbow]

[south kayak]

Yeah, balance set is totally balanced

this seems fine except for balance and sp/MM

and balance is in a league of it's own lol

I wonder what the numbers for the tier set are

has to be like 50% sim

[fast mural]

play arms next

i havnt seena any arms dmg yet

[pure breach]

check arms channel

[undone flower]

raging blow go brrrr now

[south kayak]

at least balance is so far ahead they might actually kill the set lol

[smoky vale]

what about the good spec

[south kayak]

[smoky vale]

[storm rune]

Were dks also imba? I remember destroying meters for days then suddenly this fdk was making me look like an amateur

It's also quite possible I am in fact an amateur

[slim coral]

Which one boomkin?

[smoky vale]

arms

[slim coral]

Arms dead go next

[smoky vale]

[slim coral]

Fury is back

lets gooooo

[marble pilot]

7th out of 7 is pretty good

[indigo arch]

They fixed fury, had to make it consistently shit across all content types

Fury shall now claim meta over delves

nerf fury

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1285353121102561311/dead-fury.gif

[quiet breach]

bruh, the new raid looks SOOOO clean :toobased:

amazing aesthetic

[echo rapids]

Is 8 bosses the new standard?

[dense elbow]

We are not dead

Sure it is only 3m, comparably to their higher numbers

but!

Our damage is prio damage

[woven valley]

Prio right to the bench

[ornate gust]

Please stop say that. Pugs look for overall dps only.

[dense elbow]

Our prio damage matters, damn you! It matters to me! It... matters! ... matters...

[ornate gust]

[olive wraith]

We’re fine?

[dense elbow]

We are fine its fine

[woven valley]

As our entire class is burning down around us for almost an entire xpac

Kek

I’ll still be playing warrior whatever happens

[olive wraith]

Well just fury

Prot has been pretty good

Tbd for s3 though

[ornate gust]

I am playing warrior too because no one else wants to play it.. I am in the roster for the buff only

[woven valley]

yeah im one of 2 warriors on my entire team so if i switch having just one warrior isnt the best if they have to be out or i do. so we both are just gonna keep playing warrior

[marble pilot]

All this prio damage talk makes me like the funnel idea to fix us. Keep us at 5 targets but add funnel to improved ww. X% of damage done to targets from improved ww hits primary target.

[quiet geyser]

you mean for a few xpac

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

You gain funnel damage as you want it, but your ST is now balanced around the potential ST. That Potential ST is what current tuning has already set for us.

[dire vigil]

Been on this train for weeks, as well. Havoc has been so fun with the funnel gaming, and it would add a new layer of strategy and complexity to fury

[echo rapids]

Yeah but don’t havoc and arcane still also deal some moderate level of high target aoe?

[marble pilot]

I think arcane is pretty hard capped at 5 but I don't play those

[echo rapids]

Don’t the arcane orbs from barrage or whatever still do decent aoe?

[olive wraith]

Ya arcane is still pretty decent aoe

[echo rapids]

There’s too many big pulls in s3 to deal like almost pure 5t damage

[marble pilot]

You can say the same for our stuff though. It's decent on 5. We just don't get the bonus prio damage.
I think on the non prio targets we are pretty similar

[olive wraith]

Their aoe is decent in uncapped pulls

[dense elbow]

If only we were the best 5t DPS out there, then pull size being scuffed for us would matter

[echo rapids]

We can’t destroy one target, pump 4 more and then just tickle mobs 6-15

I guess in the right comp it could work but not for regular pugging

[marble pilot]

Yeah the only thing we being right now is minimal ST loss for our AOE. Which can be useful but generally isn't these days

But true funnel or making us not suck at AOE would be nice.

[dense elbow]

Its all fun and games, till the MM who dominated AoE also gets procs on ST

[marble pilot]

I don't really care how they do it. I just want something

[dense elbow]

[sour frigate]

[echo rapids]

It has to be the later, pure 5t is a dead damage profile for m+

[marble pilot]

It's useful still. People bring arcane to high keys solely to wreck high prio targets

[sour frigate]

[ornate gust]

true especially for the next season

[marble pilot]

Yeah I have heard most if not all the dungeons next season have big pulls

I skipped Shadowlands so I dont actually know them yet

[quiet breach]

new raid is cool and purple

[woven valley]

Also one of our tier colorations is purple and green

Bad ass

[last sparrow]

imo our tier is ugly af

the mythic version anyway

[marble pilot]

t2 recolor is pretty good

[echo rapids]

Again arcane still does ok regular aoe on TOP of sick prio

We don’t

That could be fairly easily fixed but we will see

[summer quail]

bet you feel pretty stupid now

[marble pilot]

I have hope still. Warrior is a fairly popular class. It seems like an easy thing to fix. Here is to hoping it actually happens

[echo rapids]

Tier set would be an easy bandaid to get us to midnight

[last sparrow]

i was talking about purp one mostly

[marble pilot]

Yeah they could bandaid us with the tier set easy.

[echo rapids]

Make the ionizing strikes from thane do little aoe strikes

[marble pilot]

Changing proc rates or numbers tweaks. I think the easiest thing they could do to tier sets is make the thane 2piece hit all targets 5 times instead of 5 total strikes

[strange gull]

Do we need vers? are these substats cooked?

[marble pilot]

Then thane is just tblast rampage bt tblast over and over. Could go crazy

Same with slayer. If the reap the storm procs often enough thats decent aoe

[marble pilot]

Honestly thinking about it I find this to be fairly likely. Less dev time needed and they get through the season. And its easy to balance if it goes to far.

Still have some hope for the hinted at utility that might show up. Whatever it is

[modest hollow]

does any1 sometimes doublepress RB in aoe situations?

[olive wraith]

We like all stats.

[woven valley]

i would bet crit and vers would be giving you more damage than haste or mastery right now at those percents. but it depends on what gear you change to get it

[earnest canyon]

we definitely need more int

[olive wraith]

Aka sim your self

[olive wraith]

If sim says int I give int

[woven valley]

pretty much but i tried to say it with some info and less just "sim"

[olive wraith]

I gave info

[plush zephyr]

Our happy warrior boy

10/10 set

[woven valley]

i like the sets ambient effects

the energy swirls

[marble pilot]

I dunno why but telling some to sim yourself sounds like an insult.
"This dinner sucks you can't cook"
"Well if you don't like it then why don't you just go sim yourself"

[olive wraith]

Idk it’s just the truth

[red escarp]

not a warrior question, but is it safe to just trade every lower crest possible for the gilded undermine crest

if i dont need it anymore

[olive wraith]

Sims are objectively the best way to increase your dps

[orchid dagger]

unless you pvp

then you throw the robot out the window

[olive wraith]

Good thing this is the pve channel

[orchid dagger]

good thing the is the Fury channel, and not specifically a pve channel

[olive wraith]

Aka the pve channel

[toxic jewel]

Good thing this is a channel, not specifically any other channel

[olive wraith]

Because there’s a pvp channel

[orchid dagger]

aka you cant read

but that's ok, you dont need to read to mash Rampage

[olive wraith]

#pvp

Yw

[plush zephyr]

ya

[orchid dagger]

go read the note at the top of the screen and tell me where it says Fury is a pve chat

I know you recently learned to walk upright, so it might take some time

[olive wraith]

Context clues aren’t your strong point it’s okay

[smoky vale]

you lost a rage bait battle vs buhsac you lost

gg

[plush zephyr]

lol yup

[olive wraith]

Meh. I’m not the one trying to toss around insults. Trolls gonna troll

[plush zephyr]

Buhsac gonna Buhsac, yes.

[strange gull]

Thanks bud

[strange gull]

We love numbers

[hushed gust]

you won't necessarily need verse until your ilvl's getting towards the top. doesn't really start scaling better than crit until crit is above 25-ish%? gutting that out as a non-gigasweat.

[honest sundial]

We did it boys

[modest condor]

grats

[honest sundial]

Flower turned out to be fixed

[modest condor]

now for rank 1

yeah i was watching

[honest sundial]

Maybe better for mental to not realize it until key is comepleted kekw

[honest sundial]

21 resil next step

[modest condor]

should be easy

[dense elbow]

big 4k, happy continued push

[honest sundial]

its priory and flood, flower is like 45s
but even then we prolly still have time since we have 5/4 min left on each 20 with flower
but stuff on 21 hurts more so u just have to play more defensivley and that will cost us time

[strange gull]

I’m not a giga sweat but ilvl 663 I think

Not a real god tier gamer yet

What’s the point with S3 coming soon

[hushed gust]

yeah, you prolly won't care too much for another 10 ilvls. prioritize crit over verse

[strange gull]

So mast then haste then crit then vers?

I just go off the wowhead

[marble pilot]

m0s in season3 drop like 702 dont they

[strange gull]

wtf

[marble pilot]

I might be wrong

[strange gull]

Why are we even bothering then

[marble pilot]

That could be hero track not champ track

[strange gull]

702 is crazy for M0

Motivation to grind M+ now 0

[sinful spoke]

everyone will grind 0s week 1 lol

theres nothing else to do

[marble pilot]

I mean the higher you ilvl now the easier it will be week 1. But I wouldnt spell a ton crafting things

[strange gull]

Anyway enough +8s for one day it’s bed time

[strange gull]

Ya only real benefit

[strange gull]

Trueee

Will valorstones and crest just work the same in S3?

[marble pilot]

Most likely.

At least I havnt heard anything about changes

[strange gull]

Good if it stays same then

I hate delves am I the only one?

[marble pilot]

Im pretty sure you cant grind inf m0 week one either. I thought I read you could only get loot from each dungeon once on the first week. I could be wrong though

I dont mind em. Just send them as prot. Goes way faster and you get easy gilded

[strange gull]

That would be weird

Like artificially hampering us

[marble pilot]

Just for the first week. They didnt want people no life spamming for full bis before raid week. They always do weird stuff before world first race is done

[strange gull]

[strange gull]

Let us do it blizz cmon

What will heroics gives?

In S3

[marble pilot]

No idea

[strange gull]

Understandable

I sleep now

Thanks for your help skull man

[desert cloud]

Aids from cosmetic tab

Due to the infection from the void

[olive wraith]

They changed m0 to be a weekly lockout this expac. Can’t remember if it was s1 or 2

[marble pilot]

Oh didnt realize it was always that way. I think ive only done 1 or 2 m0s all xpac.

[undone flower]

681

[marble pilot]

I knew I might have been wrong. I just remember something dropping 702ish in ptr

[chrome relic]

anyone have some logs from ptr today

[undone flower]

702 is like 4/6 hero track

[marble pilot]

Maybe it was the t11 delve map or the hero track caches then

[undone flower]

heroic raid is 701 3/6 at the 4th boss

[olive wraith]

I think the normal trend is lfr~previous season mythic

[undone flower]

without turbo boost, yes

last boss lfr

[marble pilot]

So as a heroic raider that does +10s looking at 710ish for ilvl. Once in full hero gear and slowly getting myth tracks from vault

Well 12s I guess. But 10s for vault

[lean heart]

this from 12 eco dome on PTR this tier set is dog shit

[marble pilot]

0.4%
Any way to tell how many tblast resets?

[lean heart]

prob have to dig into logs

the thing is it doesnt reset the cd

it just gives u a TB proc

[modest condor]

yeah you'll basically have to combine your ionizing strike procs with your tblast buff stacks

like this

[lean heart]

either way it stinks
i really liked slayer in keys you do omega boss dmg

[solar portal]

anyone have an Enrage aura to always have it visible uwu and not in the corner with all the buffs and things...

[young swan]

if you dont want to have to use weakaura for it u can turn on the personal resource display in blizz settings

otherwise theres prob like 5 million weakauras u can get for enrage

[solar portal]

i'll try it, thanks -3-

[modest condor]

obviously things arent staying the way they are on ptr right now, but if they were you would 100% play slayer in keys

[lean heart]

you think its just gonna be RB spam ignore BT in aoe or

[modest condor]

no

unless they fix rb

currently the reap proc from rb doesnt scale with target count

[lean heart]

i see

[modest condor]

on low targets you would still prio rb because it's just that much stronger, but mass aoe you would prio bt

tbh you could also just always prio rb anyway and do more prio damage because that's what you're there for if you play slayer anyway

[lean heart]

yeh even with all cds up i was barely above the tank during some pulls

[young swan]

"prio damage"

[lean heart]

[young swan]

not a jab at you, just a jab at our class being horrible

[modest condor]

we're not an arcane mage with funnel, but slayer with the tierset is absolutely gonna do crazy prio damage in m+

[young swan]

i feel like prio damage is kinda fake

[modest condor]

look at current slayer and imagine 20% extra damage on top

[young swan]

its the funnel damage of copers

[lean heart]

until you get to like giga high keys "prio damage" is kinda fake

[young swan]

feel like its fake at all key levels

funnel damage is the objectively better damage type but they're kind of the same damage type

[modest condor]

i mean funnel is just stronger prio

doesnt make prio fake

[young swan]

yeah exactly

prio is the poor mans funnel

[modest condor]

that's like saying x spec is fake because y spec does more aoe

[fiery edge]

anyone tested the new mt set?

[young swan]

thats why I feel like its fake, just in a conceptual sense

just giga out dated to have classes that do "prio damage" when they give other classes funnel

is kind of my point

[lean heart]

oops meant ^ that as a reply

[fiery edge]

ionizing strike

we're not so back

[winter shoal]

Do you have any logs of how it logs 2->2 stacks from a proc overcapping you?

Curious what log event it associates with that

[modest condor]

it just refreshes the buff

you dont need to do a ptr test for that it can happen on live as well

[slim coral]

Prio def isn’t fake but no one cares about it unless it’s broken

[young swan]

yeah but its only broken when its funnel

aka fake

aka outdated

name a single time prio damage has been broken when it hasnt come as a direct result of funneling

[modest condor]

something doesnt have to be broken for it to not be fake

fury warrior in shadowlands was top level prio damage

this is really giving me heavy "if something is 1% worse it's literally dead and complete garbage" vibes

[young swan]

no i swear I actually fully believe that prio damage is not a real thing when funnel exists

[modest condor]

then we'll just have to disagree on that

[young swan]

im fine with that

im just a radical sigma wolf free thinker

anywho, its not a particularly serious topic for me, I just think its dumb that blizzard would design a class with a selling point of "le sick prio dam!!11!1111!!" and then have it completely outclassed by a different damage type

that both fulfill the same job

in a particular content set

[flat river]

my sleep schedule is dead

im awake at night and asleep during the day 💀

lowkey being the only one awake in my friend group helps me find banger songs

[gaunt moat]

[flat river]

like how i just found one

[modest condor]

still got the blues by gary moore

[flat river]

classic

but im currently in my metal/techno phase

[winter shoal]

What flavor of metal gala

[flat river]

bring me the horizon kind

[modest condor]

oh i dont listen to that kind

[winter shoal]

Like 2005 BMTH or like 2025 BMTH

[flat river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKyXvNkGQKc&ab_channel=BMTHOfficialVEVO

[flat river]

what type do you listen to

[modest condor]

nightwish, epica

an occasional random song here and there as well that i dont know the specific genre of

[winter shoal]

HOLY EU moment

You ever listen to within temptation silm?

[flat river]

ah

[winter shoal]

Similar sort of vibe

Sharon den Adel is a queen

Also apparently 50 years old holy

[flat river]

i listen to all music except jazz

haven't gotten a jazz music phase yet

[winter shoal]

https://youtu.be/984ksjle4YA?si=anDLRVQkij_8MZuu

Best jazz banger maybe ever

on god

[modest condor]

yeah

[winter shoal]

The first ~3 mins is probably the best sax solo ever played

[modest condor]

i have 3 of their songs in my playlist

i guess you could consider them metal but i personally find them a little bit too soft, they're more rock to me

(too soft for metal, not too soft for my tastes)

[winter shoal]

What about something heavier like Spiritbox or Make Them Suffer

[modest condor]

dont know either of those

[flat river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLstyQbLA9U&ab_channel=静的Static
i personally play this on repeat whenever i play any content on fury

[winter shoal]

weeb shit

[flat river]

ignore the AMV

i CBA to find the original

xd

[winter shoal]

They might be a little heavy for your taste but you might like a band called within destruction

Their last two albums have been sort of an electronic/death metal hybrid

Kind of hard to really classify it into a genre, heavier than something like babymetal or BMTH though

[flat river]

oh no thats too heavy xd

[modest condor]

there's this random metal song i found once that kinda slaps but it's also very heavy called plague flowers the kaleidoscope by ne obliviscaris

[winter shoal]

Yo I fuckin love NeO

[modest condor]

that's literally their only song i know lol

[winter shoal]

They have some HEATERS

You gotta be ready to commit to a 10+min long song tho

[modest condor]

i dont vibe with short songs

almost all my favourite songs are 10+ minutes long lol

[flat river]

why is it 11 minutes 💀

[modest condor]

if they're like 4 minutes long it feels like they're over before you really get into it

[winter shoal]

Eyrie by NeO is probably like top 10 songs all time imo

So well written it's crazy

[modest condor]

my favourite nightwish song is also 10 minutes long

and my favourite epica song is 14 minutes long

[winter shoal]

Lil poet and the pendulum action?

[modest condor]

no, ghost love score

[winter shoal]

Also a classic

[flat river]

i feel like any song beyond 5 minutes is overdoing it

[modest condor]

poet is also great

and greatest show on earth

[winter shoal]

You're allowed to have that opinion but man there are some insanely good longer songs

[modest condor]

and let's not even talk about dream theater

[winter shoal]

slow burn type shi

[modest condor]

octavarium 24 minutes or something

[winter shoal]

The only dream theater song I know was the one on rock band 2

[flat river]

i think i know like one 9 minute song

but i forgot which one it was

im not going to check

[modest condor]

http://puu.sh/KwaVP/c0ac72f807.png

[winter shoal]

Do you just have one playlist of ever song you've ever heard

[flat river]

yes.

[winter shoal]

Based

[modest condor]

almost 5.5 minutes per song on average lol

[winter shoal]

You guys gotta get into listening to full albums

Absolutely underrated

[modest condor]

i listen to songs not to albums ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[winter shoal]

It's like a nicely curated hour long playlist

Pull up to the gym and just pick one album to listen to while you lift

Unmatched

[modest condor]

just because i like a song doesnt mean ill like the whole album

[flat river]

not all songs are made equal in an album

[flat river]

real

[winter shoal]

True but there are a lot of songs you wouldn't hear if you only listen to singles

[flat river]

thats why i turn on smart shuffle

new songs every time i listen

[winter shoal]

If you like plague flowers the kaleidoscope, you'd probably like the entirety of the Urn, Portal of I, and maybe Citadel albums by NeO

Citadel is for sure the weakest of those but painters pt2 and devour me pt1 are bangers

[flat river]

found it

[winter shoal]

I did an interesting thing with some friends a while back where we had to find the best song that was track 7 on its respective album and man there are some real gems that you wouldn't otherwise have ever heard

[flat river]

smart shuffle gives me songs based on my taste from not only new artists but also the artists that im currently listening to

basically it gives other songs from the same artist

or similar genre

[winter shoal]

@modest condor you might also like unleash the archers, they're more of a power metal band than symphonic but have a sort of similar vocal style with a bit more dragonforce-y instrumentals

[flat river]

i think 20% of my playlist is from smart shuffle

[modest condor]

The band plays a fusion of power metal,[1][2][3][4] melodic death metal,[3][4] and traditional heavy metal
i've heard songs that people called melodic death metal and i did NOT like it

i think i'll pass

[flat river]

xd

[winter shoal]

they absolutely are not melodeath and whoever wrote that is smoking crack

[modest condor]

damn

[winter shoal]

https://youtu.be/1bGmjnkDTTI?si=8B-BlqwoE5yeDUC8

[rocky locust]

If my Ravager is out and spinning around, and my Bloodthirst button is glowing from the Bloodthirst Crit Tracker, should I press Bloodthirst or should press something else and let Ravager cast Bloodthirst?

[flat river]

let ravager cast

[cosmic sundial]

https://open.spotify.com/track/7hNMnJO84E5SOTL7rXOBof?si=tEHoC7xhTMKG3RB_pUm6DQ this is my fury song

[modest condor]

ok that sounds tame af

[winter shoal]

Literally their most popular song on spotify is a cover of a sea shanty

wiki authors smoking that good good

[modest condor]

a bit too generic imo, just doesnt really have anything that hooks me in

[flat river]

pretty good

[winter shoal]

That's fair that's kinda power metal in general

[flat river]

but i like lyrics with my music

[winter shoal]

They all sound like the same one song and if you like that one song you're chillin

[cosmic sundial]

I start it at prepull and the drop happens as soon as I charge in and rampage lol

[modest condor]

yeah i mean i can listen to a dragonforce song every now and then but i wouldnt put it in my playlist

and the "they all sound like the same song" is 100% true for them

[cosmic sundial]

I like this because I can still hear raid lead. If it had lyrics my tism would be trying to listen to both

[modest condor]

i cant listen to music during raids

[flat river]

i have 1 or 2 mechanics im in charge of and block everything out

[winter shoal]

I didn't have music for one raid night and I was about to go insane

[modest condor]

either i focus on the music and i miss all the comms, or i focus on comms and miss all the music

and in the 2nd case what's even the point of playing music then

[flat river]

background music

for those little moments without comms

i also sometimes watch anime while raiding lol

[cosmic sundial]

I’m the emergency mechanic monkey usually so I have to be able to hear if he says “Alright man this person died for no reason I need you” or some shit

[flat river]

thats why we play warrior

no CR no lust

only zug

[modest condor]

i used to be that guy that leaps out last second when someone else isnt doing their mechanic

even have it in one of our kill videos on ashvane

circle is about to go off with nobody soaking and you see me leap out

on slg as well, saved more than 1 pull with a last second leap into a soak

[flat river]

i used to taunt the add that spawns from the eggs next to broodkeeper diurna if someone didnt break them and pull them to the main set of adds

https://tenor.com/view/starman-superman-hero-starman-superman-gif-5670562936153558097

[cosmic sundial]

I tanked that season on bdk, grips were a life saver for that

[flat river]

i was the life saver that time

[cosmic sundial]

Lmao I just got a warning my message was blocked by the server

Oopsie

[flat river]

💀

[modest condor]

you said a naughty word

[rocky locust]

No non-Fury mentions in my Fury channel

[cosmic sundial]

Yeah the f word

[flat river]

i almost sent a sticker that would've got me banned from the server that one time

[modest condor]

not even such a bad word, just discord automod being way too tight

you have no idea how many words we had to whitelist when we first turned it on

i think even shit was blocked

[cosmic sundial]

I said there’s always some dumby but the y was the word

[flat river]

eyir rocks

[lean geyser]

thank u @flat river

[flat river]

:3

[modest condor]

eyir socks

[lean geyser]

🧦

[flat river]

fuck eyir

what was it

xd

[modest condor]

eyir sucks

[lean geyser]

fuk u @modest condor

[flat river]

there

[modest condor]

eyir cooks

[lean geyser]

Yes chef!

[flat river]

is it fuk cause the automod back in the day

[modest condor]

no

[winter shoal]

My old guild killed silken last tier bc me and our dk saved an extra set of webs JUST IN CASE

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/sorunun-farkındayız-gif-6120531598042862210

[modest condor]

gamers

[cosmic sundial]

Okay so, more of a general question

Why do some people get on an alt and just forget how to play the game

It actually infuriates me

[winter shoal]

get those mfs some hekili

[cosmic sundial]

Not even talking damage wise

Just mechanics

[flat river]

they focusing on rotation more

ig

[winter shoal]

Hekili = less brainpower on an unfamiliar rotation = more brainpower available for mechanics

very powerful tool

[modest condor]

if you're not familiar with a spec you need more brainpower to do the rotation so you cant focus on mechanics as much

im semi-shotcaller in my m+ group, when i tried arms i didnt say a thing for the whole dungeon

[cosmic sundial]

Okay but you can see the giant circle of bad under you

You can see when something is heading toward you like a fire tornado

[modest condor]

sometimes you just miss it because you were trying to line up cds or something

[flat river]

dps loss

ignore tonadoes

zug

healers will heal

[modest condor]

speaking of tornados

i never dodged them on smolderon xd

[cosmic sundial]

Idk it’s one of the things about the game that makes me irrationally upset lol

[flat river]

i never dodged them on bandit

💀

[modest condor]

i got so complacent in amirdrassil

like i just didnt care anymore, and fury was so tanky it didnt matter anyway

[cosmic sundial]

Like we’ve downed mugzee a bunch at this point and some people on alts just forget soaks and shit

[rocky locust]

Should I be concerned that I out-DPSed half my guild using Single-Button Assistant (plus manual CDs)?

[flat river]

still is

[modest condor]

it's even tankier now

[flat river]

yes

[winter shoal]

If they didn't die, yes

[gilded pawn]

i guess we found the target audience

[flat river]

💀

[cosmic sundial]

Those are indeed parses

[rocky locust]

...

[flat river]

run

[gilded pawn]

you should tell them that you were using 1 button

[winter shoal]

What fight is this?

[gilded pawn]

i wanna see if they think its op

[cosmic sundial]

Yeah I’m curious what fight that is too

[rocky locust]

Mythic Vexie

[flat river]

so easiest boss

[cosmic sundial]

[winter shoal]

idk like on the one hand parses kinda don't mean anything but on the other hand if you're grey parsing without dying, you have no business being in a mythic guild

[cosmic sundial]

Maybe it’s aotc doing some mythic

[flat river]

maybe they all had to open the door / go bio at the same time

for like 2 min

xD

[winter shoal]

The 5 minute mythic vexie goes insane holy

[rocky locust]

Surely they all got targeted with Oil and Fire and all launched the bikes during their CDs, right?

[winter shoal]

SURELY

[cosmic sundial]

What’s your ilvl @rocky locust ? Or am I blind

[flat river]

is it greedy of me to not hop in bikes if i have cds active

[cosmic sundial]

I’m blind

[winter shoal]

681, right hand side of the screenshot

[cosmic sundial]

It’s right there

[flat river]

or am i doing it right

[rocky locust]

ur blind (681)

[cosmic sundial]

I mean if you hit your cds, zug

[flat river]

i think i did bikes once

then never again

xd

[cosmic sundial]

I usually do them because we have some people who tunnel on damage

Somehow I beat them on log though

[flat river]

oh shit today is saturday

my first heroic boost is today

[winter shoal]

I asked the best player I've ever played with if I should greed shit like not sending in bikes and he said yeah make these other fucks who suck do it

He was kinda right tbh

[rocky locust]

Maybe everyone was slouching way back and smoking weed during that fight because we have that boss on farm by now

surely

[flat river]

[echo rapids]

Then why not use 1 button lol

[cosmic sundial]

I said this out loud during raid (in a nicer way) and I got the “mechanics are for everyone” talk

[winter shoal]

I mean you can sit back and hit the bong while doing one button rotation and perform better than they did so

[rocky locust]

XD

[echo rapids]

Vexxie at this point is the perfect 1 button fight

Damage doesn’t matter, just hit your 1 button and chat while doing the mechanics

[winter shoal]

It grinds my gears when people complain about people greeding and not doing mechanics as if it's zero sum

meanwhile our best mechanical players are also our best dam doers

[echo rapids]

You can’t be actively trying if you are 680+ and under 3m dps on vexxie

[cosmic sundial]

I forget what boss it was (it was this raid) but I was like can someone else who’s not topping the meter do that please?

[rocky locust]

I think that's the case for at least 2 of them...but the others...

[echo rapids]

The boomkin doing 2m dps come on

[rocky locust]

Maybe kicking the toys on Cauldron

[cosmic sundial]

I’m aotc, idk what toys you’re talking about

[winter shoal]

I mean I think it's perfectly reasonable to say "I'm in my cds at x:00 so someone else should be assigned there". Personally I also think it's reasonable to say what you did, but you have to be tactful about it

[cosmic sundial]

I mean I think how I worded it was tactful but also drove the point home. They pointed out how I do the mechanic and still top dmg anyway and I’m like, so??

[rocky locust]

Perhaps rolling the coins on Bandit then

How many weeks are left of LoU?

[echo rapids]

6?

[quiet breach]

6 probably

[winter shoal]

Nobody knows but probably like 6-8 yeah

[rocky locust]

Oh it's not official yet?

[winter shoal]

Don't think so

[echo rapids]

When should we panic on lack of fury changes?

[modest condor]

they dont announce when seasons end until like a week before

[cosmic sundial]

Last season

[winter shoal]

Right now

[echo rapids]

Cool cool

[winter shoal]

They're cooking something big for 12.0 guys surely

[modest condor]

surely

[echo rapids]

Isn’t warrior like 4th most played class, how can we be bad forever

[flat river]

i found him in prot channel guys

[dense fulcrum]

so s3 is gonna be another Arms angle for m+? :/

[winter shoal]

As of right now probably

But there will be tuning and probably tier set changes so

[flat river]

never switching to arms

fury my baby

[echo rapids]

I have to, I’ll be tanking keys I guess

[dense fulcrum]

ye i had a big wall getting into 18+ with fury tho, had to swap to arms for some of those

[flat river]

not u

the warrior dev

xd

[echo rapids]

Oh lol

[rocky locust]

That gives me a little bit of hope that we'll make it farther into Mythic than we are. Stix was our biggest roadblock so far at 143 pulls. I don't think 6/8 will happen though. I hear it doesn't get any easier after Sprocketmonger.

[winter shoal]

At the time my old guild was progging sprocket, most guilds were ~2x their pull count from stix->sprocket

I would say that at this point sprocket is VERY heavily nerfed by gear/raid buff to the point where you skip 2/3 of the difficult overlaps, but your guild might still not beat those dps checks

[rocky locust]

As in Sprocket took 2 times more pulls than Stix? Or the other way around?

[winter shoal]

OAB is much harder than sprocket though

[winter shoal]

Correct

[echo rapids]

We are a very casual mythic guild and sprocket took way longer than stix

[rocky locust]

Oh brother

[winter shoal]

For reference we were like 120 on stix, 190 on sprocket and never actually killed it, had a handful of wipes below 5% and then guild died

[rocky locust]

RIP

[dense fulcrum]

if all goes to plans we'll start mythic gally this week, we started so late tho. guild drama :/

[winter shoal]

Gally very free

[echo rapids]

Sprocket is a super choreographed movement fight

Stix is very chill compared

[winter shoal]

Gally is like 3-4 raid nights probably for a guild getting to it now

[dense fulcrum]

is that easier compared to mug?

[winter shoal]

Yes

[echo rapids]

OAB I think is the real wall

[rocky locust]

I'd take late start to Gally due to drama over what I've got going on TBH

[echo rapids]

Ngl sprocket is a good fight for 1 button lol

[winter shoal]

Not if you want to beat the 2nd knock

[echo rapids]

With 18% raid buff and all the extra ilvls

Having it bound to a key so you can dodge and focus on movement at times

[winter shoal]

You for sure beat the 6:00 overlap but I think guilds getting to sprocket now are gonna get farmed by the 4:00 overlap and the 2nd knock

[rocky locust]

What's the 4:00 overlap?

[echo rapids]

If you make the second knock it’s kind of over

[winter shoal]

Big beams + succ

[rocky locust]

What if people die to small beams + no succ?

[winter shoal]

Joever

[rocky locust]

LMAO

[echo rapids]

I mean there’s some tricky stuff there

[dense fulcrum]

i remember like what 1 month ago or something i saw a log of people killing it before the 2nd knock

[echo rapids]

Like last set of drill baits the ranged need to cheat or beams get them

[dense fulcrum]

but it was like 2-3 guild

dunno now...

[cosmic sundial]

Sorry was afk but like idk maybe don't assign me to not have uptime lol (also @winter shoal since you were also in convo)

[winter shoal]

You can 98/99 in heroic while doing mechanics

The rest of your group needs to sort their shit out tho

[rocky locust]

Orange parse is cool

[winter shoal]

Everyone who's 670+ at least (although those people should be doing more keys for ilvl)

[rocky locust]

wait when did I start caring about parses?

[echo rapids]

Ah the classic 4 hunter 2 ret comp

[flat river]

it's in the warrior blood

[cosmic sundial]

Here's the whole raid parse though

[cosmic sundial]

it was pink a couple weeks ago

[cosmic sundial]

The sad thing is I know I can do mythic

[rocky locust]

It's images like these that'd make me want to play with people that are better than me.

[cosmic sundial]

I just don't wanna put up with it

[echo rapids]

Just find your home

What bothers you less

[winter shoal]

Crazy statement

[cosmic sundial]

don't get me wrong, love the guild, love the guild lead and most the people in it

[winter shoal]

Imagine actually enjoying an activity you spend time and money doing

[rocky locust]

wtf?

[flat river]

whats that

[cosmic sundial]

just damn I wish the warrior player wasn't the smartest dps in the room

[flat river]

never heard of it

[echo rapids]

None of that will matter if you don’t enjoy the game

[cosmic sundial]

who said I don't enjoy the game?

[rocky locust]

IDK what bothers me more, the Roster Boss or people not being able to read what's on their screen.
We had have a guy who just ran into his Footbomb when it wasn't his turn despite his screen not saying "POP NOW" in the biggest green text.
I think I can put up with failure to do mechanics, at least for a while, as long as they understand what they did wrong and why it was wrong. It's the lack of understanding that bothers me.
Yes, I'm still having fun (I think)

[echo rapids]

I meant if you are not doing the content you want to do

[cosmic sundial]

oh yeah gotcha

[echo rapids]

It’s very fun to feel like you are getting better, but it’s not fun to be at a level that is very different than everyone else you play with - in either direction

[winter shoal]

This is a pretty classic thing in a lot of mid-mythic guilds I think, people get mechanics and just panic. What SHOULD happen is people think critically about "what would I do if I got this mechanic", and then they're prepared if it happens and no harm is done if they aren't targeted. But most people don't do that. Another very common thing is people saying "unlucky" when it was actually a positioning issue or something caused by a mistake 10-15s prior, but analyzing what caused that is difficult and tedious and most people just want to pull the boss and press their buttons

Which is fair enough I guess if everyone's on the same page, but is frustrating for the people who want to problem solve rather than just rolling the dice over and over

[cosmic sundial]

I feel this so much.

[flat river]

real and true

[cosmic sundial]

Was helping another guild that our guild is nice with during Nerubar. During Silken after several wipes I was like "Why are so many people getting spiked?" A hunter chimed up saying there wasn't enough time to move because they were aimshotting...

"Don't you have Disengage?" me says

"Oh yeah!"

[rocky locust]

I often hear "Yeah that was just bad RNG". And, like you said, it's tedious and annoying to refute claims like that using evidence. So people continue to cope with "unlucky" instead of getting better, also like you said.

[cosmic sundial]

just 10 seconds to think about the mechanic and it's solved

[flat river]

"i rember" moment

[rocky locust]

oh another thing i want to rant about

[cosmic sundial]

Rant time rant time

[winter shoal]

Like yeah sometimes you really do just get unlucky, but when we're on pull 200 of a boss that other guilds killed in 50, it's like, did they really get 4x luckier than us? Or maybe it's a skill issue?

[cosmic sundial]

Warrior brain trust is where we say other dps dumb, should just zug

[rocky locust]

When the officers/raid leader know less about a fight than one of us underlings.

[winter shoal]

Holy yes

Especially when they also play badly

Like okay bud you're telling me I need to do these things but you don't know what you're talking about and also you're not doing them properly yourself

What reason do I have to listen to you

[rocky locust]

I've had a hard time balancing when to speak up and when I'm being too overbearing, especially when I'm not in a position to tell other people what to do.

[winter shoal]

I just send screenshots of people fucking up

People really don't like that though

[rocky locust]

Hold on i have an image for you

[cosmic sundial]

only did this once during Rik Reverb prog

we kept getting two amps in melee

for like

30 pulls

[winter shoal]

For example: #fury message

[cosmic sundial]

and RL was like I guess the info is wrong one should be going to ranged

[final violet]

do i use dungeon slice for simming for mythic + as fury? quite new to the spec

[cosmic sundial]

I screenshotted our Evoker in melee

his excuse was his range was shorter

[flat river]

[winter shoal]

Just sim 1t 5min and 5t 5min and use your noggin

Fury doesn't change much between single target and aoe anyways

[flat river]

i dont know if i sent this before but

[winter shoal]

I loved all the comments being like "you just kind of vibe it out" because that's actually so true

[cosmic sundial]

Me when I sim 10t 2min

[winter shoal]

Got no clue what's actually happening around me, just kind of developed a spidey sense

[flat river]

yeah xd

the first one though

best

[winter shoal]

Me when you might as well sim 5t bc it's not gonna be any different

(it will be slightly different)

(I'm just shitposting)

[winter shoal]

What da shaman doin

[flat river]

dont forget the bladestorm/reap the storm proc extra damage

on the targets above 5

[cosmic sundial]

I only do 10t 2min because loboz build

[winter shoal]

soft capped to 8 innit

[cosmic sundial]

surely the apl calculates that correctly

[flat river]

softcapped

not hard

:3

[winter shoal]

Same

[cosmic sundial]

his best

[rocky locust]

"there's too much on my screen" "how can I disable the AVOID text on the bombshells"

[winter shoal]

HOLY

[cosmic sundial]

kekw

[flat river]

xd

[winter shoal]

Kind of based but also maybe sit this one out chief

[cosmic sundial]

If it says avoid why you rollin into the word

[flat river]

I FOLLOW WORD

type shi

he reads it "a void"

so he goes to suck it

or like

wait

i mean the ball gets sucked

[rocky locust]

lemme fill that void with my trash

[flat river]

shit thats worse

[cosmic sundial]

I remember one weak I had a guy spawn his ball right next to me and bounced me into the boss. I was like alright well

guess I'm zuggin

[winter shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/what-huh-wat-wut-gif-16165693567743102551

Gala out of the kitchen

[flat river]

u understand what im saying though

xd

[flat river]

can't, my house is a huge kitchen

[cosmic sundial]

nah

you cooked so hard it's in a different language my guy

[rocky locust]

I get what he means to an extent though. My general philosophy is to not track things that won't change how I play the game. If I would do something different because I have this information? Then it's probably worth tracking/enabling.

[flat river]

[heavy galleon]

Just wait another tuning. It's 3 month before start...

[winter shoal]

I love my huge kitchen, my old apartment had like 2 cabinets and 3 square inches of counter space so when I moved I made sure to find a place with a nice big kitchen and it makes all the difference

[cosmic sundial]

[flat river]

real

what's BiS though if you live alone

[cosmic sundial]

rice cooker

[flat river]

is having an open kitchen right next to your setup

[winter shoal]

I do live alone but my kitchen is downstairs

[flat river]

sadge

[cosmic sundial]

LoU is the open concept kitchen of raids

[winter shoal]

I moved into a 2b so I could have an office separate from my bedroom and then I just set my desk up in the hallway so I have a whole bedroom that's just for storage now

[lean heart]

air fryer :true:

[cosmic sundial]

true

[flat river]

that too

[winter shoal]

air fryers are kind of a pain to clean innit

I don't have one idk

[cosmic sundial]

no

[flat river]

i have an airfryer

makes all the difference

[winter shoal]

I'm an instant pot kinda guy

[cosmic sundial]

you shake that bitch out, wash the bottom

[lean heart]

air fryer
rice cooker
perhaps a nice blender
1 plate
1 bowl
1 fork
1 spoon
1 butter knife

[flat river]

i leave my chicken strips in there for 20 minutes

and then go game

until 20 min over

[cosmic sundial]

they just went bankrupt lol

[winter shoal]

No shot really?

[cosmic sundial]

yeah

[winter shoal]

Love my instant pot

[cosmic sundial]

they made their products TOO well

[lean heart]

instant pot BiS for sure

[cosmic sundial]

is the stated reason

[winter shoal]

Suffering from success fr fr

[flat river]

xd

[winter shoal]

I believe it though, I've had mine for like 5 years and it's basically brand new

[cosmic sundial]

Since their products were so high quality people only bought one every decade or so

[winter shoal]

And I use it like every week

[flat river]

warrior dev should take that to heart

and start making warrior good

[rocky locust]

The only buffs I track are Enrage, Whirlwind stacks, Reck/Avatar, the 2 min def CD that I can't remember the name of, Frenzy, and Slaughtering strikes. I think that's it. I'm on the fence about tracking Frenzy and Slaughtering Strikes. The Bloodthirst Crit Tracker already tells me what to do with the information I'd get from tracking the buff, and more. Frenzy I can see a stronger case for. "Maybe I shouldn't Rampage this other target since I'm at 4 stacks".

What do you guys think? Which buffs do you believe are mandatory to track? Which ones could you do without?

[cosmic sundial]

That's also why Instant Pot started making air fryers and toaster ovens

[cosmic sundial]

Enraged Regen

[rocky locust]

yeah that one

[winter shoal]

You 100% do not need to track frenzy and SS, but you should be tracking execute conditionals

[lean heart]

i think the only buff i track is Whirldwind stacks
Exe and BT conditionals too i guess but those 2 are sound cues

[rocky locust]

So you think tracking the parts of Execute conditionals is important? Or would the Execute WA by itself be enough. That's one I forgot to mention.

[winter shoal]

Depends what exe wa you have

[flat river]

i track Enrage, WW stacks, Reck/Avatar, BT crit, and Execute conditionals

thats about it

[winter shoal]

Mine and Cone's track everything related to exe that you need to care about

idk about other ones

[lean heart]

when i hear ding i hit execute

[cosmic sundial]

lol

[flat river]

i manually track execute

i dont have sound

[cosmic sundial]

Mine is the Smash Melee announcer saying "SUUUUPER SUDDENNNN DEATH"

[lean heart]

the most dog shit feeling is when you hear ding and you see the WA lights up but youve got no fucking SD proc

yeet Juggernaut dog shit talent

[cosmic sundial]

Btw @winter shoal thanks again for the wa help the other week

it doin wonders for jugg uptime

[flat river]

maybe i should add a sound to it

[rocky locust]

I don't remember exactly and I'm not in-game right now, but it's something like Ashen Jug about to run out, 3 sudden death stacks, 35% HP with Vicious Contempt, and one other thing I think.

If any of those are true, it goes "kaching".

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/yamada-kun-to-lv999-no-koi-wo-suru-my-love-story-with-yamada-kun-at-lv999-akane-smirk-akane-yamada-kun-to-lv999-no-koi-wo-suru-lv999-anime-gif-9292004019520058892

my dbm announcements are mostly UwU

and AYAYAYA

xd

[cosmic sundial]

yeah the zenitsu pfp tracks now

[rocky locust]

Whatever happened to "Run away, little girl! Run away!"?

[cosmic sundial]

[rocky locust]

You know what I'm talking about

[flat river]

replaced with jojo "MUDAMUDAMUDA!!!"

[lean heart]

old dbm

i swapped to bigwigs

its cleaner for me personally

[rocky locust]

I wouldn't mind hearing that when Gally does his big blue AoE.

[flat river]

the jojo one?

[rocky locust]

the run away one

[flat river]

aw

[rocky locust]

Don't let my opinion take away from your fun

[winter shoal]

If it goes kaching that sounds like Cone's so that should be everything you need

[winter shoal]

Hell yeah brother you love to see it

[cosmic sundial]

I think he meant ah just as acknowledging what you meant

I can't spell

I don't fucking know it's 2 am

[flat river]

:3

[cosmic sundial]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1179738834808881212/1204229772851417088/IMG_1114.gif

[rocky locust]

Okay then it sounds like we're in agreement about the fact that tracking all the parts individually is unnecessary when you have it all lumped into one WA. I was asking if you would track Sudden Death stacks in addition to the Cone's WA. Seems like you wouldn't and I wouldn't either.

[winter shoal]

It should be doing that already

Among the exe conditions are 2sd <7s and 1sd <2s

[cosmic sundial]

The conditionals already have that

[rocky locust]

Sorry I'm being confusing.

[winter shoal]

Which is to say yes I wouldn't worry about tracking SD separately from Cone's exe wa

[rocky locust]

Okay

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-8420165

[rocky locust]

I might have to steal this

[flat river]

meme is public property comrade

[cosmic sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-squish-cat-squishy-pat-gif-23473024

[covert blaze]

i replied to carlo with this image once and he actually thought it was his wcl profile and started doubting himself

[cosmic sundial]

lmao

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/ff14-ffxiv-final-fantasy14-final-fantasy-final-gif-22344265

[flat river]

LMAO

[cosmic sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1289315888293744642/rlp.gif

[flat river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1356339379819512050/big2.gif

[rocky locust]

I love these

[flat river]

how much u wanna bet its the same guy

[covert blaze]

#fury message

bro no way i found this shit

[cosmic sundial]

this is a good one

[flat river]

💀

[flat river]

bro didnt even get to pull

alright it's dead cells time

[cosmic sundial]

fucking lmao poor carlo

[covert blaze]

always the dhs leaping in and syncing all the melee hits in the pack

[cosmic sundial]

I honestly don't know which is funnier

big

or

this is my first rlp this season

like both chat messages make me uncontrollably laugh

[covert blaze]

i like the anticipation of the leap one

[flat river]

xd

i saw the paladin popping cds too

xD

[pure breach]

https://tenor.com/view/howyy-gif-14677769772756874928

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-girl-cute-talking-tiktok-cat-nonsense-gif-17811503

does this count

[pure breach]

Yes, because it’s you G

[flat river]

[gaunt moat]

https://tenor.com/view/jh-gif-6836240159603239538

[earnest canyon]

Idgit...?

[flat river]

what does that stand for

[earnest canyon]

I don't get it

[flat river]

for the 2 DH tank pics

gifs*

[cosmic sundial]

ngl I thought you were calling gala an idiot

[flat river]

[cosmic sundial]

because I've heard people pronounce it that way

[flat river]

i heard people say it like that too

in gravity falls

the cartoon

damn that was a banger cartoon

[earnest canyon]

My favourite cartoons is animes

[flat river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1155808877875564565/1383080865281609879/stares.gif

[cosmic sundial]

[gaunt moat]

https://tenor.com/view/thealexera-soyjak-surprised-amazed-wojak-gif-19919803

[pure breach]

https://tenor.com/view/adjusting-the-glasses-taro-sakamoto-sakamoto-days-pushing-up-the-glasses-anime-glasses-gif-452301279750230022

[native wadi]

So

We are doomed

Arent we

No hope for changes

[radiant plank]

[strange gull]

What colour is your void?

[cosmic sundial]

Yo @flat river you still up?

[flat river]

yessir

[cosmic sundial]

“Man I wish fury was better”
the monkey paw curls. Meanwhile in SWTOR

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxgHkYlWe2ZOanYAd0B_LgU0e8OHVzeZHY?si=2bTxoeYV9o2gdw46

[flat river]

xd

[cosmic sundial]

I thought you might enjoy that

[flat river]

never

i only play dota 2 and WoW

why do u think that is

cause they both came from warcraft 3

[cosmic sundial]

I meant just the joke :P

[flat river]

if WoW and dota 2 closed i wouldn't game anymore

[cosmic sundial]

Damn

[flat river]

every game on steam for me is sub 100 hours

except

[cosmic sundial]

You took this more seriously than I anticipated and I don’t have a response

[flat river]

xd

[cosmic sundial]

[flat river]

Ok goodnight @cosmic sundial

[cosmic sundial]

Goodnight king

[south kayak]

HOLY

I need to see mine

I stopped playing like years ago though

it's 1k

not as much

It's highest after WOW

WOW is a lot but we can't see that

[summer quail]

You can math it out yourself with /played

[viscid valve]

i feel you bud xD

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/danny-devito-danny-nope-danny-no-gif-23264539

It would probably be more than 10k hours

[jolly marten]

both dps specs of warrior do shitty dmg in raid

in ptr

[south kayak]

So what

[fast mural]

thats good

that means buffs

[south kayak]

that's why it's PTR

and boomkin is doing 100% more damage than anyone else

[jolly marten]

shadow priests pump

[south kayak]

Don't worry about tuning imo

[fast mural]

if next weeks tuning doesnt have a warrior part again

[south kayak]

if this tier or the previous one is anything to go by, their tuning is fairly balanced

[fast mural]

thats when you can start to worry

[south kayak]

I don't think worrying is what you should do

you should send feedback

worrying is not gonna do anything

[fast mural]

"too little damage pls fix , thank you"

[south kayak]

exactly

[fast mural]

i just dont want another tier where fury starts of being better just for arms being ahead in the end

[south kayak]

I don't know if warrior is doing shitty damage as much as some specs are overtuned

from what i've seen SP, MM are overtuned, with balance being all out of whack

[south kayak]

Arms is not ahead is it?

[fast mural]

for arms i can imagine the fights arent long enough for execute phase to make a difference

[south kayak]

from what i've seen fury is doing slightly better but they're all equal

[jolly marten]

from all the years ive played wow i notice that devs tweek here and there specs in ptr but the leave the strong strong and the weak weak.. they want you to jump on the strong specs and not be any suprises

[south kayak]

I don't think that's true

[heavy galleon]

someone test thane on PTR for M+ ?

[fast mural]

bommie is gonna be best ST spec and mass AOE spec

[south kayak]

the difference between the best spec and the worst spec in the raid is pretty good

[fast mural]

seems únlikely

[south kayak]

the m+ balance is not good but that's way harder to balance around than raid

[fast mural]

they only balance ST

[south kayak]

Also not true, they do m+ tuning, just nowhere near raid tuning

[fast mural]

i doubt they care about aoe unless they put adds on the last boss

[hardy bluff]

name 1 last boss without adds

[south kayak]

They wouldn't have nerfed unholy a couple of times if it wasn't for M+ performance

and they completely reworked blood beast for next patch because it was insane

now unholy is doing nowhere near the damage on ptr

[heavy galleon]

they just balance for raid, then they watch M+ feedback after

but the real probleme is they want each spec has a situation where they shine and where they are bad.
But we can't shine with cap target 5 and any situation for M+

[hardy bluff]

remove m+ and its fixed

[south kayak]

Remove one of the best content in WoW

that's gonna go over well

[heavy galleon]

Remove raid it's too old

[hardy bluff]

idk classes are legit the most balanced they have ever been and people still screech

[heavy galleon]

for raid

not for M+

[hardy bluff]

even for m+

you can do 19s/20s with most specs/classes

[south kayak]

The M+ balance used to be way worse, believe me

specs didn't have a reliable way of doing aoe

[heavy galleon]

You can't says it's balanced because some spec do 18-19 :x

[south kayak]

a lot of them lol

Legion was pretty bad i think

some specs just didn't have reliable aoe

BM didn't have beast cleave

[hardy bluff]

okay then what does the spec need to do to be considered balanced?

[south kayak]

I mean command cleave thingy

Sub only had shuriken storm

assa's only aoe was a rng proc

[jolly marten]

and every season we have at least one mage spec meta in everything

[south kayak]

It is balanced but it could be better

[jolly marten]

thats how good their balance is

[south kayak]

That's not true

and it's more likely to be meta if you have 3 dps specs

[hardy bluff]

yea but at cutting edge key levels there will always be a meta

[heavy galleon]

How can you says it's balanced when we have no usefull spell for party, between 20-30% less damage overall than other spec, and we are not even far better on ST/5 target situations

[south kayak]

that's just how it is

It's semantics tbh

It's much harder to balance around m+ because that's completely different pulls/comps to look at and each key is different

[hardy bluff]

idk people pretend to care about balance when they just wanna be the best class

[south kayak]

That is true

[heavy galleon]

it's not about being the best class, but it's the first time fury is on this situation

coz of big nerf on S1