fury

[coarse nest]

40/40/10/10 soon please

[smoky vale]

what conditions

[quiet breach]

none

[chrome wind]

im trying to max dps, since our guild is not that good and we have problems in mugzee on the dps check window

[quiet breach]

shittiest version of execute possible

[tepid cedar]

Ur 20k dps

Is not gona change anything

More underlying problems

[quiet breach]

are u guys trying to skip the boots before intermission?

[coarse nest]

Go into top gear and create every stat option for crafted ring to compare it against the two you have equipped

[quiet breach]

just hold dps instead if ur guild can't pump enough for that strat

[coarse nest]

Also go double dusk on crafts probably

Sim it though to be sure

And unless you’re completely ass at dodging floor damage you can probably set the uptime on dusk to like 80%

Maybe 70 if you want more wiggle room

[chrome wind]

ring tells me that circe is 0.1 better than crafted

[quiet breach]

use circe then

[chrome wind]

ill sim double dusk

[coarse nest]

Against all 6 options at 681?

[quiet breach]

also, check multiple different secondary setups for the ring

[quiet breach]

that's how mine is, only ring that isn't a downgrade to circes is motherload ring 684

no crafted works for me

[chrome wind]

Mister Lock-N-Stalk as mythic a trinket is better than the energy drink as hero?

sims says yes, but i dont see that many warriors with it

[quiet breach]

Im starting to wander if the people who upgraded circes with crafted were using the wrong gems in circes

[last sparrow]

which belt buff is mastery btw?

[marble pilot]

They were basically the same dps for me. And the ring had a ton more stam so I took it

[tepid cedar]

Suspicious is an amazing trinket

But you have HoC

Use your 3rd dinar on pacemaker

[undone flower]

i just realized wowhead gear page is so long now

[coarse nest]

Could also double check all the belt effects

I don’t think he has Crit chain equipped on it I don’t recognize all the icons yet

[summer quail]

locknstalk very good raidtrinket

not for m+

[quiet breach]

if the sim says yes and you question it, double check if you simmed correctly, if nothing looks off then listen to the sim regardless of what others are doing

[tepid cedar]

He’s nearing bis gear

Lock loses like 15k on a pace

When ur about there

[summer quail]

hmh rly, i think my gear is pretty decent and locknstalk is higher by quite a bit

[tepid cedar]

100% positive

Even before I got strapped keg

[summer quail]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tms6fd6qPuuCY4wZzmiXRa

yes i know i haven't upgraded belt yet

[tepid cedar]

Ur using mechano

HoC pace is highest

Only thing that beats it by like 10k

Is pace and eye

But you know how eye is

[summer quail]

i am aware i'm using mechano. locknstalk simming 5-6k higher than pace

[undone flower]

when i abandonned cyrce, it does comeback with few other rings combos obviously

[tepid cedar]

Current gear is HoC and pace

[limber oar]

Lock n stalk pace sim high for me personally

[undone flower]

cyrce is "good" on me with jastor, and only jastor

[tepid cedar]

Probably some items. Have you tried to reshuffle all your crafted pieces

[limber oar]

Yep

[tepid cedar]

I know that the only other positive dps upgrade for me, and I’ve done every sim possibles is thunder clad legs for another 5k dps

[undone flower]

i have a counterfeit hoc, so it is a loss for me

[tepid cedar]

Aside from that there’s not a single thing that will upgrade me which sucks

[hoary agate]

Why does that suck, I love being done with farming and doing 8 keys a week just to have a chance at bis item 😁 now I only clear and push keys for fun

[burnt oxide]

come one, no 3m

[south kayak]

is anyone's google search looking weird

[summer quail]

yes, i keep searching for dps warrior rework and find no results

[south kayak]

Lmao

[undone flower]

Suggestions are based on what you previously search

[south kayak]

No I mean the theme looks weird

grey with black rectangles on searches

maybe it just sucks lol

it looks bad

[static mountain]

hello , shud i pick eye of kezan or lock n stalk for m+?

[burnt oxide]

does it change with dark/lightmode?

[burnt oxide]

if you have slim to no downtime between packs, i would assume eye, otherwise lock n stalk

but i dont like neither for m+ tbh

[static mountain]

just looking to spend my last dinar

[burnt oxide]

what is the other trinket?

[hoary agate]

Are you using mobile? Google search should now match your theme on device change to light mode and reload you'll see

[static mountain]

ive got the crit one and hoc 🙂

[burnt oxide]

well maybe stick to them? assuming no ilvl change

otherwise you could sim for 5 targets

[static mountain]

aight cheers man

[summer quail]

locknstalk still simming higher

[tepid cedar]

Interesting!!!

What ring and neck do you have

I bet that’s our only diff in itmems

Items

[summer quail]

jastor, crafted(haste mast) and cinderbrew neck

[tepid cedar]

Ahh that’s why then probably

I have a foot bomb

[summer quail]

yee that makes sense

sry vers mast crafted

not haste

[ember apex]

got my jastor diamond but its a replica

[flat river]

[tepid cedar]

That’s wild thought @summer quail

1 item changes that’s much on a trinket

Uhh that sim proccedd mister a tad bit better than hoc pace

First I’ve seen that happen!

[summer quail]

locknstalk good trinket

[tepid cedar]

Yea

I might get it just cause I don’t have anything to spend dinar on

[pulsar prawn]

yes.

[pulsar prawn]

you have both weapons, ring, HoC and Kezan ? then sure 😛 or maybe a big shield ?

[tepid cedar]

I’m actually excited after this week and the neck, pace and eye sim highest than hoc and eye

Having that crit bonus every 30 sec vs 1.5 min on hoc will be huge

[pulsar prawn]

only last 3 fights are longer than 5minutes ^^ so yeah HoC or locknstock are good swap there

[tepid cedar]

I hate the rng lol I simmer 9x and not a single time did hoc pace lose to lock. Aside from that +857, it’s been all -10-12k

[slender aurora]

hey its not a warrior specific question but can i craft a armor piece and turn it into a catalyst pice?

[summer quail]

no

[slender aurora]

shit aight haha

thanks

[tepid cedar]

@chilly fractal let’s team up and go wreck lfr wings later tonight!!!

[ebon junco]

lfr deadge

[bright loom]

lfr log run?

[west pendant]

Hey guys whats the best card for the new belt for mythic plus

archon is saying charged bolts, but it got nerfed

and wowhead is saying the crit one

[tepid cedar]

Crit

For everything this time

[plush tide]

If you have Berserker's Torment talent, should you wait 8 seconds after using Recklessness before using Avatar?

[tepid cedar]

No they stack

[west pendant]

thank you apoc

[plush tide]

So use Recklessness and Avatar at the same time? Does Berserker Torment then extend the durarion of both for 8 seconds?

[tepid cedar]

Yes

N yes

[undone flower]

i can bs twice gally on the shield and still bs the adds

[tepid cedar]

Adds die so fast now don’t even think it’s worth holding unless you praying to pad

[chrome wind]

I got 3.130m on simbot ty for all

[tepid cedar]

Nicceee

That’s yuuuuuugeeee

[ruby eagle]

anybody know what trinkets to run on ptr?

[young swan]

cant remember the name but its the razor coral/spymasters web trinket

theres a bunch of passives you can run, the ones we actually want to test arent available tho

[tepid cedar]

What do they do xan

[young swan]

its literally just razorcoral/spymaster but for strength

[coarse nest]

What did you end up doing to hit bigger number, curious

[young swan]

the other trinket is just anything passive that has a decent effect

either the infinite stars trinket or the delve trinket that procs 30k mastery

[chrome wind]

upgrade and changing belt, crit buff is a big % upgrade, also bought mythic trinket from sprocket and changed ascendance for double dusk

[undone flower]

i think i'm at this number without meatcleave talents

[coarse nest]

Nice gains!

[native wadi]

did anyone have otruble withg the belt quest

It sais I failed quests

wtf

[dense elbow]

Next season, what 1.5m trinkies are there?

[modest condor]

just one from halls

there's also one with a "choose your cooldown" effect like coral had

it has a 20 second cooldown but it builds up stacks over time so you can choose when you use it

[undone flower]

they will make a trinkt just for us 100%

[modest condor]

they did

the halls trinket is new

[undone flower]

i didn't check lot of them, i tried the cheat death as tank

[rocky spoke]

fury's tier sets on the PTR feel extremely underwhelming

[sand crest]

fury underwhelming, fury tier sets underwhelming

what else is new

dont worry guys, last patch in xpac, we scale with gear

[rocky spoke]

we havent scaled with gear for like 15 years

[undone flower]

we will scale with turbo omega mana demolensius boost patch

[static mountain]

Both of them?

[sand crest]

I know, ive been hearing that since SL when I started playing and its just

never been true

xD

[rocky spoke]

the odd part about the new MT teir bonus is that he ionizing strikes are doing almost zero dmg (0.3% on a target dummy) .. i know it procs more tb and there is alot more tb dmg but the 2 set is just poo

[undone flower]

yes it is a time class tuning was way more rare / non existent

[rocky spoke]

Slayer dmg is low on aoe but it will probably still be our best st (as is atleast)

Colossus arms tier feels INSANELY powerful

[sand crest]

best tuning ever was gavel of the first arbiter existing

[static mountain]

Riperino

Guess its joe ver for my slayer once again

[coarse nest]

SCALE word used!!

[modest condor]

bolstering is back guys xd

[dense elbow]

Nice to know, didnt see one on the vendor. Couldnt remember one being from halls, so a new trinky makes sense we got something

[fleet sorrel]

@sullen dove gl in new mode

it doomed

[sullen dove]

ain no way ur sayin that

u do it solo or coop

[fleet sorrel]

the last two difficulties have to be solo i think

i couldnt get full rewards

[sullen dove]

cluegi

[burnt oxide]

im very confused of a fury in my pug

[young swan]

[sullen dove]

powerful wirbelwind more damage than donnerexplosion

[burnt oxide]

he also has KLINGENSTURM

[sullen dove]

biggest affront to nature here

[young swan]

doner explosion

[hardy cargo]

wirblewind uber donnerexplosion

[young swan]

https://tenor.com/view/kebab-kebap-doner-sauce-szósz-gif-25071291

[undone flower]

Döner explosion

[summer quail]

klaffende wunde

[coarse nest]

Donnerexplosion!!!

[burnt oxide]

you should have 2 instances of DONNEREXPLOSION, dunno where the second went

[sullen dove]

did less dmg than grim codex yepge

or just doesnt have seismic reverb talented

[burnt oxide]

my man had 682, how does he come that far

you mean SEISMISCHER NACHHALL

[modest condor]

donnerndes gebrüll

[rocky locust]

Should I hard swap to the adds on bib momma on a +15?

[modest condor]

probably

especially if you're not using cheese spot

[unreal onyx]

gearing is finally joever

[summer quail]

outlaw rogue looking warrior

[hardy cargo]

great mog fr

[lavish beacon]

3x pieces 681

[unreal onyx]

neck just doesn't wanna drop

[lavish beacon]

[unreal onyx]

I also think the 684s sim worse

• I got the gally mount today

so season is over

[rigid stirrup]

take those ugly helms off gents

[lavish beacon]

We killed M Gally last sunday, 2 raiders got the Gally mount, and I had the very rare drop

[rigid stirrup]

shades are forever

[lavish beacon]

Congratz

[unreal onyx]

got the "very rare" mount like 5 weeks ago in hc

[rigid stirrup]

should've had 3 that dropped

[unreal onyx]

ye M gally drops 3

but you gotta physically loot it yourself

[lavish beacon]

Sorry, there might have been that ye^^ Was focused on something else

[unreal onyx]

it doesn'T spawn in your inv

[lavish beacon]

https://i.imgur.com/v30lbIO.png

The loot that dropped that night

[unreal onyx]

had similar loot today

but swap boots with shoulders

[coarse nest]

Man you guys did the 40 hours of trash piles to get the trench coat!?

Insane

[flat river]

gg i won 2 rets in the PTR prepare for nerfs

[unreal onyx]

no, I bought mine in the tp

the trash one looks different

[rigid stirrup]

trash one is all black

the ones gonig around rn are the TW vendor from BFA

but ti should take you only like 8 hoursish max

[unreal onyx]

ohh yea it's TW not TP

[slim coral]

W edit

[flat river]

[slim coral]

Don’t worry I noticed it was not overall

https://tenor.com/view/blob-stan-twitter-smiling-smiling-face-mesna-sirnica-gif-8866599132846860654

[plush maple]

Hmm ilvl 1 shirt and tabard

Not good

Good job!

[lean heart]

my uncle John Blizzard just saw this he said theyre nerfing fury dmg by 70%

[flat river]

dungeon was over

[flat river]

gg

[lean heart]

its joever

[slim coral]

Don’t worry bud it’s only 2 million behind the top classes

Warlock shaman doing 7.5+

[modest condor]

that's ok it means they get nerfed and we buffed surely

[coarse nest]

surely

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-definitely-cory-carson-go-go-cory-carson-yes-for-sure-gif-19221966

[chilly fractal]

I got raid at 9 Eastern and won’t be on until close to then… would be fun though so rain check

[summer quail]

saw dh also do around that. there's prob more

[slim coral]

Yep I’m sure there is plenty out there

Never fury

[olive wraith]

Fury support spec 11.2.5

[young swan]

already is

[junior gale]

yup give warrior lust then rework fury to a shout and banner support spec

[olive wraith]

Battle shout now increase damage by 5%

Spear applies debuff to allow all allies to deal bonus crit damage

And then Aug gets buffed to out class us anyway

[tepid cedar]

juist give us rampage 1 shots all mobs

we wil stil complain

somehow

[snow pond]

Hello everyone, I`m starting to delve deeper into WoW and I'm having some difficulties understanding how to sim my character. I have the addon but when it gets to picking stuff to sim on the website I dont really know what I'm doing, can anyone help me?

[olive wraith]

What are you trying to figure out

[snow pond]

gems/enchants/crafted gear stats mostly

[olive wraith]

What dungeons to farm? Or what pieces that you own gives you the highest theoretical dps

[snow pond]

I`m not super geared, so most of my pieces I'm using the highest ilv avaliable and dont have any alternatives

[snow pond]

more leaning to the 2nd option I believe

Most of my stuff is already above heroic so I dont think I have much farming to do

[olive wraith]

You’ll be primarily using the top gear tab then

Top gear displays all the pieces you have in your inventory. Click to highlight pieces that are in your bag to compare it to what is equipped.

At the bottom of the page there are gems/enchants and the robot will pick which ones will give you the biggest boost

[snow pond]

so in here I dont have to select anything?

[olive wraith]

You can select different gems to see if they’ll be better

[snow pond]

Alright, so I tried selecting them all (gems) and created "recraft to haste/mastery" on my versa/mastery necklace, and it shows that I`m using the best gear possible already, the sim tested it replacing the gems I currently have with other ones already in this case? (the necklaces are the only equipment pieces that have alternatives, I dont really have a 2nd option for most of my stuff)

or it just compared the 2 different necklaces?

[olive wraith]

For the gems it compared all your equipped pieces that have gem slots.

And if you had the 2 neck selected then yes it compared the 2

[snow pond]

Alright, I guess I was already using the best stuff I could, tyvm for your help and patience

[sullen dove]

The hell is that helmet

[snow pond]

trading post from this month

[sullen dove]

Zamn

[snow pond]

there`s a blue one too, and a green one from the $$ store

[olive wraith]

Ya it fits perfectly with firelands mog

[snow pond]

wasted opportunity to say $tore

[unborn delta]

i hate HoC + BiS so much

[unreal onyx]

Real

Fuqq the CD on BiS when I use HoC

[unborn delta]

i just use lockenstock for qol

[tepid cedar]

Problem is that hoc adds such a huge amount to your opener

It’s hard to make that damage back

[tepid cedar]

It’s easy to mage though. Avatar over 20 send it . Avatar under 20 hold it

[unborn delta]

my mouse only has so many buttons

i usually just macro everything together even though i should be varying it from fight to fight... unless we really need to save a pot like on oab or mug prog

still parse high purple which is good enough for me, i think a 50 line ahk script could parse on this class though

[rustic mica]

Hey, one question, whats the best sims if I'm mainly Delves, M+ 10s and pug HRaid? Is dungeon slice worth or patchwork the best?

[tepid cedar]

Easiest thing to do is get a bis wa the light up when ready. Make that shit like 10-10 just enough where you see a glow and just click it when it’s glowing

[fair swallow]

arms or fury next tier?

[smoky vale]

https://tenor.com/view/robin-hood-fortune-teller-future-prediction-gif-25704815

[undone flower]

Nyan nyan

[spare steppe]

i can say with confidence that it wont be rogue

[undone flower]

It won’t be omega dh

[fair swallow]

thank god

[unborn delta]

omega dih

[dense elbow]

Answer is prot warrior

[unborn delta]

thye takin my spell block though 😦

where is dh nerf

[dense elbow]

Simple, they buff all whiteswing damage by 320%

Will come with next PTR build

[undone flower]

Shadowmeld pot is a dwarf buff

[modest condor]

why play dwarf if you could instead shadowmeld more often

[whole yacht]

^

nelf supremacy

[olive wraith]

Soon we get a dwarf pot

[modest condor]

just give bitter immunity bleed removal again

other classes dont need it

[olive wraith]

Shorten the cd first

[whole yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[tepid cedar]

Eewwwww

Noooo

Void elf is supreme

Night elf’s are just elf’s that couldent pass velf aptitude test and got stuck being pesants

[undone flower]

Gnome.

[orchid dagger]

That race is like my ass after Taco Bell

Pipe down

[whole yacht]

lemme know when you can go invisible to dodge mechanics

[rose bay]

Ork!

if i eat a stun! i can eat the next one even faster!

[undone flower]

u go invisible NOW

[spare steppe]

so my guild is likely going to be killing OEB at the end of the tier (not as good as the rest of y'all); is it worth it grabbing best-in-slot and house of cards for the start of next season? or would something like mister lock-n-stalk be better. figured i'd ask though I know its likely just "sim"

[olive wraith]

Human. Big dps plus ignore 1 stun

[rose bay]

tru

But an extra keybind :c

[whole yacht]

you cant make me

[whole yacht]

zero keybinds if you click btw

[undone flower]

Or macro it with slam

[rose bay]

Ooooo

[modest condor]

just use one button rotation so you free up like 10 keybinds

[olive wraith]

-10% of 0 is still 0

[slim coral]

I think I need more mastery on my dk

[whole yacht]

i agree, i only see 2 digits

[tepid cedar]

Velfs just do to much damage. We kill shit so fast we don’t need to take the sissy way out and hide

😂❤️🤣

[undone flower]

Leech

[undone flower]

And don’t steal gnome facts, we are the gang with 1% more haste, we are the shit in this hood

fast, try with a whole percent faster, you would know what light speed is

[oblique trail]

@clever belfry

[pale lava]

late reply but yes they are worth it, especially house of cards

[spare steppe]

appreciate the reply! ill definitely wait for them then

[tepid cedar]

lolz

yo is MM lust still broken?

[woven valley]

Finally got gally kill lol 😂

[modest condor]

grats

[oblique compass]

how is fury looking in 11.2 vs this teir?

[olive wraith]

Check again in a month

[woven valley]

Thank, I was mia for a good bit of this tier cause life

Was happy to come back to my guild slamming

[feral ivy]

any news if we still doing AM or going back to RA

in ptr

[clever belfry]

woke

[winter shoal]

At this point in time probably still AM, xan was testing and found RA to be very slightly behind (like it is now)

But we don't have sims yet so who knows

It checks for RB and ramp being available, what probably happened is you were at like 78 rage and an auto attack ticked you over 80 between gcds, so that exe was technically incorrect, but human reaction time is a thing

[woven valley]

And let’s be honest we don’t know how they are gonna tune anything atm

[winter shoal]

Idk why I didn't add a check for BT being usable in there as well but it wouldn't have been usable in your case anyways

[feral ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/ariana-grande-barbiaminaj-glinda-ariana-grande-wicked-wicked-gif-3768134899335161969

[gaunt pelican]

Hey all, just killed OAB and got my myth track best in slots, do i wait 30s to pair it with avatar every time or just send it by itself? Sim says use it by itself until the 4:30 mark where it pairs it with avatar so im not sure

[winter shoal]

Depends if you have an on-use trinket

Generally you'll use your 90s on-use with ava, then use BIS with your reck in between avas

[gaunt pelican]

I do not, sims say Lock-n-Stalk is better than HoC for me so i was thinking of buying that

[winter shoal]

If you don't have an on-use you just kinda send it with whatever cds when it's up

Like don't just use it raw, but if reck comes up at like 2:15 just send both, don't wait for your 3:00 ava (unless the fight will end before 4:00)

[modest condor]

look at this nerd shit lmao

[gaunt pelican]

Ahh I see, I was gonna macro it but I guess it can have its own button, thanks !

[winter shoal]

There's a macro here you can use #1237307732705415228 message

The important bit is /use [combat] 16 (16 is your main hand weapon slot)

Without the [combat] it'll switch to int mode if you're out of combat which is bad

[winter shoal]

There's like 200 lines of logic just for when to press exe man

And handling the cursed SD buff event log shit

I was asking in the wowa discord about it (this was one of the first things I worked on) and they were like I've never seen a buff/spell this fucked up anywhere else in the game

[compact knot]

just push it when it lights up ngl

[winter shoal]

The log doesn't know when your wa lights up smh

[slim coral]

Hyped to test raid tomorrow

[red escarp]

wowhead said mister lock n stalk is one of fury's best trinket? no strength tho

[summer quail]

he's not

[latent hedge]

u rite

[summer quail]

yea locknstalk big good

[red escarp]

hmm is it? okay

[prime charm]

Well nice to see all the positive fury changes on ptr. I knew blizz wouldn’t let us down

[pure breach]

Yeah for raid progress

[sudden tusk]

you are using my old pfp that is freaking me out

[smoky vale]

real

[pure breach]

[warm crag]

Can you make it check if im having a good nap

[hardy wadi]

does anyone thinks odyns fury will be worth using in m+ next season as slayer?

[radiant plank]

[signal falcon]

In M+ do you want to always align your avatar with recklessness and ravager? Or would you just send avatar on its own if reck/rav are still on CD

[fading sky]

In gen almost never happens

Also

If it does u usualøy get reck in the avatar window

Unless some real weird desync happens

[signal falcon]

Might just be lack of gear/key level for me but if I’m not in constant combat they get desynced reasonably often

Sometimes I send avatar on its own to get my reck/rav back faster but worried I’m sort of squandering some of my HoC’s value if it’s not buffing ravager/unhinged casts

[fading sky]

Hmm i mean

What keylvl?

I do weekly 12s mainly but dont feel its an issue

But again, i just send shit, my dmg always ends up decently high

[signal falcon]

I’m just doing 10’s for now, only starting gearing up my Warrior this past week

[fading sky]

But in 10s

Just send shit

Everything dies to fast

Always "wasted" cds

[signal falcon]

Fair enough

Does the same answer apply when I get to higher keys is sort of what I’m trying to gauge though

[dense elbow]

At higher keys you will get a route and through experience you will know ish how long each pack will last Vs CD.

In general you still just send things on CD, exception being you knowing that a giga pull or pull into boss is next. There are some reset pulls done, that are there to prepare CDs between the huge pulls that got to die fast. You will see them when you get there.

You can simplify the process to:
If you dont know any better, then send it asap.

Fury got basically no CDs worth holding, so don't overthink it.

[fading sky]

Good kitty

I havent done above 15s. So i just send tbh. Unless mobs are almost dead

[signal falcon]

Alright sounds good, thanks for your help guys 🫡

[little mortar]

How does fury looks in s3 ?

[junior gale]

it looks like fury

[tight roost]

The fury we know and loathe

Sorry love

[summer quail]

For m+ it is currently looking the weakest it has ever been

[little mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/wicked-ariana-grande-galinda-glinda-what-is-this-feeling-gif-6197055038907099512

[little mortar]

Weak idc
Is it still clapping with Thane ?

We want fun not strong right .

[summer quail]

Do whatever you want if it goes live like this

[dense elbow]

We still waiting for tuning, so numberswise:

• In raid we will be fine, we always are.
• In M+ we will at worst be 'fine', we always are.
  At the moment playstyle:
• Thane is thane, things just dont do damage (tuning issue and will be fixed)
• Slayer is less about bladestorm than ever, and more about the rotation.
  Fury will still play as it does, and for good or worse Slayer is less CD impact (but more of it).

It is kinda unlikely we are kept as freaking weak as we are in s2, but... if the pattern continues as have been now since the launch of TWW, we prob going to remain being shitt... I mean to say, we remain being fine, just fine, everything is fine. Its fine.

[sour frigate]

KittyGPT

[dense elbow]

I am sure they will tune things

[blissful delta]

There are at least 8 dungeons next season with more than 5 pack pulls

[radiant plank]

Funky has been coping since S1 that thane damage will be fixed

[dense elbow]

I dont even play Thane

[sour frigate]

Kitty plays slayer

Ye

[little mortar]

What made me switch was the target cap
I find it horrible especially in M+ but gameplay is way more fun than arms
I wanted to check if something changed in s3
Guess I'll still play tank in M+

[fading sky]

U can prov play slayer arms in keys no?

[dense elbow]

Cap isnt the issue, the tuning around it is the issue. Noone would complain about the targetcap - if we did pull the numbers either way.

Problem is that we are tuned around the raid to the detriment of functionality in M+

[little mortar]

It is way less effective than colossus

[fading sky]

Its not huge m8

Slayer arms is fine

[little mortar]

The number 1 furry can proc the number and reach 10m on a pack
I can't

[fading sky]

Though new tier hmm y mby sucky suck

[little mortar]

It's fine but way less effective

[dense elbow]

You didnt play Fury pre-nerfs, did ya?

[little mortar]

I started war like a month ago

[dense elbow]

We did what we do now in AoE burst DPS, s1 start.

We got hammered to the ground

deleted

[little mortar]

Never played it and wanted to discover a new class

[dense elbow]

removed

[fading sky]

Fury pre nerfs was nice

[little mortar]

I like fury and tank

[fading sky]

Way less is harsh, its decently competitive with enough reaps🤣, and slightly better prio

[dense elbow]

Thing is, in s1, even on beta - it was clear. We would be balanced around the burst being huge, then fall down to a bit under the consistent AoE classes (lock and mages, that did more total AoE DPS by a bit), then we burst again and went over them. On avg the others were stronger, but we had a really clear niche and value. Burst AoE with impact clear out minor mobs and allows focus on the dangerous ones.

Now, our AoE "burst" (because, Funky... In raid it kills the mobs with 3 million HP, its really strong still!!) is non-existent. We can only do "decent" burst in m+ is with god RNG procs as Slayer. Even then it is shit and weak.

We got balanced for the raid, killing M+. We were balanced around M+, but were "unbalanced" in raid.

Now we are in the situation where we got no niche, no strength, no purpose.

We are shit.

... dont worry, we will get another +50% ramp/rb/bt buff, cementing the new way they want to push Fury. Flat and boring damage profile. Then due to ppl being annoyed and starting to move away from Fury for being flat and boring. They slowly start to rebuff Bladestorm and Odyn's Fury to be worth more than pressing your base rotationals again.

[little mortar]

In short

Not playing fury in s3 ?

But I feel you

[dense elbow]

In short

we play

but hate

[little mortar]

I found the spec fun tbh

[dense elbow]

gameplay is fun, tuning and profile sucks

[fading sky]

Yeah both fury specs are fun to play

Without details

[flat river]

real and true

[fading sky]

I miss fury burst

[heavy ruin]

Burst profile is fun tho, sad to see it go away because they can't tune it

[fading sky]

It wasnt badly tuned

Raid was just created for us

And ppl got mad

[heavy ruin]

I agree, but people got mad and then they cucked fury instead of tuning properly

[fading sky]

It was ret like burst

It wasnt tuned poorly

[heavy ruin]

But fire mage or arcane mage burst is fine right

[fading sky]

Thats my point. In reality it was insane on a couple of fights and low keys

[heavy ruin]

I agree, tuning was needed for sure

[fading sky]

Tuning wasnt needed?

[heavy ruin]

They went too far but it was a bit much

But I do feel like it happens that other classes are broken and they do nothing about it

[fading sky]

Some1 has to be top dps

In reality this tiers raid. S1 fury wouldda fucked on rik + mby stix ( if range are bad)

But not more than devo

Season 3 df we had the same profile. But wasnt small adds all the time to fuck. So no1 cared

[heavy ruin]

Yeah

[heavy galleon]

We are tuning only for raid

[pulsar quest]

The only reason fury fucked so hard was because the fights literally dropped large groups of melee ads

This raid wouldn’t have been nearly as good

[fading sky]

So i mean we didnt need tuning, we just should be allowed to fuck, and blizzard should, if we get adds every 45 sec with no health, its furys jobb to slay

[pulsar quest]

Never made sense to me that raids were running 3-4 frost dks but warriors were nerfed lol

[heavy ruin]

Unholy was broken for a whole tier and they took their sweet time to nerf them

[heavy galleon]

They should remove some abilities and the other one stronger

We have too many burst spell. Remember old expansion when we have to chose between dragon roar or bladestorm

[heavy ruin]

I feel like choice is good as long as you can make it, having 10 CD's clearly isn't fun

[heavy galleon]

I prefer they removed dragon roar for making bladestorm and Odyn's fury stronger

[pulsar quest]

This is arms related, but with the added talent in the prot rework where execute passively cleaves to 2 more targets at 70% seems like maybe a test they could be potentially making to arms if it works for prot

[heavy galleon]

OF and bladestorm should be our signature spell for bursting AoE

[heavy ruin]

I would love that as Arms

[heavy galleon]

Slayer feels good to play

[flat river]

in PTR Multi Target, do you guys think we should take the execute talents instead of the roar talents

[pulsar quest]

It depends on the content

[flat river]

multi target

m+

[pulsar quest]

I meant do you feel you need more prio or more pure aoe

I guess a good base would be just take roar talents

[heavy galleon]

I Hope they removed this spear, I even prefer night fae spell

[pulsar quest]

If you just want to test the dungeons

Condemn should’ve been added

Not spear

[heavy galleon]

Yes I agree Condemn was so nice

Night fae for a little more CC was good too

[flat river]

btw

i think they gave fury a hidden buff

in ptr

like they gave some classes hidden buffs

and others hidden nerfs

cause im dealing 13m dps burst

used to be 7.5

shammy used to burst for 30 mil

now like 8

[heavy galleon]

I guess for M+ they should make meat cleaver soft cap 7 target even with a small nerf

It just not funny to be cap target

[glad coyote]

just get rid of the target cap and problem solved

[pulsar nest]

Nah they can keep the target cap, give us HIGH PRIO damage let us be the arcane mage of phys comp

[flat river]

not even trolling

i think they buffed bladestorm by 50%

[flat river]

what is this bladestorm dps

[glad coyote]

what dungeon is that?

[flat river]

new dungeon

ptr

[heavy ruin]

Is it fun?

[flat river]

pretty fun

but the colors

i can't see properly

xD

[heavy ruin]

Colourblind?

[flat river]

nope

its all pinkish

my eyes hurt

[lean heart]

i was gonna say maybe its cus your gear is scaled up in dungeon testing but then you said shaman burst was nerfed so

[chilly fractal]

Got pink eye?

[flat river]

[chilly fractal]

I gotta tell you ripping ass into a pillow is never a good idea

[flat river]

then dont do it

[undone flower]

That’s what I expect the tier set to do

The 2p

[south kayak]

Did you beat rets? susge

[winter shoal]

Only if the log says so

[flat river]

i did

[south kayak]

Did you use BT a lot?

Wouldn't you wanna press RB more?

and what's the talent build

[flat river]

yes

[flat river]

same as the retail one

slayer MT

[south kayak]

Ok

[flat river]

RB reap the storm proc chance doesnt scale with target count

so for now we use BT

until they fix it

[south kayak]

Hope they don't, there's a reason to use BT

[quiet geyser]

You still have bloodcraze stacks to use BT

[winter shoal]

Xan and I tested on single target and crit nodes + spear/CM were better than haste+roar, but I'm not sure about aoe

[winter shoal]

We don't know yet whether you'll still use BT with crit conditionals or if it's just last resort filler (on single target)

On aoe it's probably still prio over RB above like 3 targets

[undone flower]

The set gives 20% more RB damage, so there is a world you don’t follow bt crit at all

And just press when you can’t rb or rampage

And you will have more executes in the flow

[flat river]

yes but only of they make it stack with target count

[undone flower]

Yes I was more talking about the blood craze thing

[flat river]

ah

im thinking of doing something like this guys what do u think

for Multi-Target

[undone flower]

If 85% crit was the shit, what is in the world RB have 20% from set and execute more often

[quiet breach]

FUUUUUCK I just want it to be next season

riot can u plz push next update the week after I get 8/8 thx

[undone flower]

Ptr raiding in 5 h

[quiet breach]

😂

[quiet breach]

that public can see?

[undone flower]

That public can play

[winter shoal]

Yeah someone will stream it surely

[flat river]

actually?

raid releases in 5 hours?

first couple of bosses though

[undone flower]

On the ptr

150 ping enjoyer here

[flat river]

211 here

but ive played with worse

[undone flower]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-2-and-season-3-testing-schedule-season-3-dungeons-and-manaforge-omega-377352

[flat river]

i used to play with 300 ping sustained on dota 2

i used to play with 1 megabit internet

100kb download speed 😎

[winter shoal]

@slim coral are you gonna be streaming raid testing?

[undone flower]

How to get the cloak on the ptr server ?

[flat river]

finish the story

or talk to cow

[devout totem]

tal;k to big tauren and skip quest

[undone flower]

Story ??? REEeEeEeEeE

[modest condor]

swap the slayer talent from the bt one to the rb one as well

[flat river]

wdym

OH

i get it

[modest condor]

yeah i dont remember the names

[flat river]

opportunist

[native wadi]

Anyone doing m+ in ptr?

Fury still rip isnt it

[modest condor]

yes

[native wadi]

I got absulotely owned by an sp and a hunter

They did 7m overall i did 5

[modest condor]

neither tiersets do anything about our lack of aoe damage

[slim coral]

yes

[native wadi]

Almost topped myself

[modest condor]

slayer singletarget is really strong tho

[native wadi]

The execute hit like a truck

Havent tried arms tho

[modest condor]

ive heard good things about colossus for arms

[winter shoal]

silm have you run sims on sd conditionals or bt crit conditionals?

for next patch

[modest condor]

i just woke up

[winter shoal]

Based

Isn't it like 4pm or some shit for you

[modest condor]

yeah

[winter shoal]

Holy

[coarse nest]

Man I want to be on video games > sleep > video games schedule again

[winter shoal]

Teenager, unemployed, or retired

[coarse nest]

Pretty much ye long ways to go

[winter shoal]

I mean you can be unemployed any time

[coarse nest]

Lmao I’m sure the wife would really appreciate that

[winter shoal]

If she really loved you she'd understand

[red escarp]

which mythic dungeon have BiS for warrior fury? or it doesnt matter

[coarse nest]

Wow is life, gotta quit my job

[earnest canyon]

Hi it's me, #1 most average warrior 2025

[coarse nest]

https://tenor.com/view/throat-punch-melissa-mc-carthy-gif-10576899

[warm crag]

you can just sim m+10 droptimizers if you're gonna farm stuff but none of it is bis

for the mythic ilvl track exists holy moly

[undone flower]

wtf is that

[devout totem]

shit weapon

[sand crest]

I have no clue but it sounds similar to jaithys?

[slim coral]

just loots for you

nothing else

I've tried everything

[sand crest]

ah thats actual trash then

tf

[undone flower]

ye but only 723 wep i found so far

i'll be efficient in boe looting tonight

[quiet breach]

do u guys think any of the fury tier bonuses will change the gameplay?

[young swan]

depends how stark of a gameplay change you want

slayer does technically

[marble pilot]

Jug stacks are easier to keep up right

[quiet breach]

like will it change ur rotation

at all

[young swan]

we never press bt and press execute a whole lot more

[pulsar quest]

what if im not in melee and cant hit execute

[marble pilot]

dps is bad then so it doesnt matter

[young swan]

probably arent doing damage

[pulsar quest]

delete jugg

[winter shoal]

I definitely did not fuck anything up with these sims

I definitely know what I'm doing

[quiet breach]

does the ionizing strikes look cool + is it uncapped damage?

[winter shoal]

No and no

Barely does any damage, and only to 5 targets

[pulsar quest]

unfortunately it does very bad damage

[young swan]

:icant:

[marble pilot]

Yeah I read it as 5 strikes per target hit. Its 5 total. It does nothing extra on aoe vs st from what ive heard. I havnt actually tried it

[winter shoal]

Correct

5 total, spread out among available targets

[sand crest]

I think thane set might the be the worst set in terms of numbers atm

[marble pilot]

Which is trash. It is like reverse funnel. You probably want all 5 going into your primary target instead.

Now if it was 5 per target and all of those could proc a tblast that would go crazy

Thane right now though looks like its better to ignore the tier set and just get whatever pieces have the best itemized stats. So im sure itll change before launch. Still got what 6 weeks?

[young swan]

something like that

[sand crest]

if they dont tune thane set at all I might crash tf out

but theyll probably just buff flameshaper instead

[marble pilot]

I think all it needs is for it to hit all targets 5 times instead of just 5 total strikes. Would actually give us a meaningful amount of tblasts which is good on both st and aoe.

[quiet breach]

so it is a lightning strike on up to 5 targets? what if ur just ST will all 5 go on one?

[modest condor]

it does seem to have a higher chance to proc tblasts on aoe tho

the current speculation is that it has 1 chance to proc tblast per target, kind of like reap the storm

[marble pilot]

Weird. so on st it rolls once with 5 strikes. on aoe it could roll5 times,
Either way sounds wrong it should roll per strike regardless

[modest condor]

unfortunately the proc chance of ionizing strikes itself is still garbage

[flat river]

i owned an SP idk what you're talking about

[modest condor]

you did more than 7mil overall?

[flat river]

no

[modest condor]

then you just played with a worse spriest

[marble pilot]

Still plenty of time for changes though. I dont think id worry till we are in the 2-3 week out stage.

I am gearing an alt though just in case.

[radiant plank]

We have been saying this for last 10 years btw

[modest condor]

im coping that the reason they didnt buff anything for thane set this week is that they're still cooking up a rework

[slim coral]

True

Always a rework angle

We’re getting lust!

[modest condor]

i mean thane set rework

[pulsar quest]

i have a weird feeling they are soft rolling some changes to prot that they might do to the other specs later on

[modest condor]

not spec rework

[slim coral]

I know

[pulsar quest]

like feeling it our with prot to see the direction they need to take for the other specs

[marble pilot]

I dont think we need that big of changes. Fury is a ton of fun to play. Numbers just suck in m+
Small changes. Funnel, aoe caps, just bigger numbers for 5 targets if they dont do cap.
I dont think we need a full rework.

[echo rapids]

When I first read the thane bonus I thought they were using it to bandaid fix our aoe but nope lol

[marble pilot]

They could do something as small as improved WW now cleaves to 8 targets. OR targets hit with abilities empowered by improved ww hit the primary target for X% of the damage done.
One is just better aoe one is funnel. And both would useful.

Or just get rid of target caps game wide and rebalance numbers where needed.

[sand crest]

yo guys, how can I add embelished items to raidbots? I want to sim the diff between ascendance and bis/double thread

[modest condor]

click on the + on the item

[sand crest]

ty

[young swan]

all of our capstones are uninspired AND garbage

[marble pilot]

Yeah thats fair they are pretty boring. But the gameplay works. Id hate for them to do a creative rework and make fury just not fun anymore.
Id prefer fix the m+ issues>bt/rb feeling the same>capstones being boring.

[slim coral]

If you guys wanna see true class immersion just look at SP, paladin and dk

[marble pilot]

I can see an attempt at a full rework and now Bladestorm is an empowered spell or something else trash

[slim coral]

they might not have the best capstones but atleast they do something

[young swan]

you can do a creative rework and still maintain furys core gameplay loop

[undone flower]

just did the new dungeon + played ptr fury for the first time, thane is really shit or i'm jsut bad

[marble pilot]

You can sure. But I dont trust blizzard to.
They already had to revert stuff on the frost changes they attempted cause the frost players were upset about it.

[pulsar quest]

https://i.imgur.com/qLZ0s3V.png

just jumpscared me

thought it was back

[sand crest]

apparently bis + ascendance is slightly better than bis + double thread + 684 wep

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cvhM3HiuSGqviH9njLJRaA

[hardy bluff]

yea if you got every item i think thats true

try cloak/wrist with thread

but shouldnt be a big difference

[sand crest]

that was simmed with 60% thread uptime, idk how close to the truth that is

but yeah the diff is 0.1% anyway

[hardy bluff]

60 is very low

i think

[sand crest]

I kinda cant be bothered to recraft so I think ill just keep ascendance

and always run lock n stalk so I dont have to deal with descyned bis/trinket

[rotund ginkgo]

@restive peak

the argument was that my friend is on low dose trt and he does a bro split since hes cutting, claims hes seeing more progress doing 1 day of chest a week with 16 sets than 2 days a week with 8 sets each

i told him; if it works for you and ur seeing results and u enjoy the workout - thats all that matters, but ur STILL doing junk volume+its not BIS

but if it works it works

also i called u one of my friends :3

[restive peak]

Yeah I mean if you're on juice everything works, and there is no "low dose" TRT, it's either TRT or he's above his TRT but pretending it's not cheating cuz it's "TRT"

He's absolutely doing junk volume, and we are friends boo thang

[rotund ginkgo]

can u send me some bis pics of u

i wanna send it to his dms so he can see that not all big guys do 2 hour gym sessions 5 days a week

[restive peak]

I mean this is where the whole science based thing gets a bit ridiculous; you can still see very good results doing things "wrong", it's just not optimal, you're increasing injury risk, or you need juice to recover enough to keep up

I don't take pics of myself shirtless flexing big doggie, I think that's the most <redacted word> shit ever and why the fitness world is such cancer now lmao

[rotund ginkgo]

no i understand it doesnt ahve to be a shirtless pic or anything

just to show that ur genuinely a big person

[limber oar]

In an ideal world, everyone should do “science based” lifting since it promotes the most growth with the most safety. But in the real world people like sam sulek (people with his same mentality) do a mixture of science based lifting with “whatever gives me the biggest pump”

While pushing like 4-5 sets of incline barbell chest press to failure with like 4-5 half reps to really fk himself up

[young swan]

I think if your goal is to avoid disrupting furys core gameplay loop you should be fucking mad about everything thats happened since s3 of SL

[restive peak]

Ye Sam is on enough juice to fuel a childrens pool day, what I mean by that is when people start doing studies and going "16% MORE GROWTH ON HAMSTRINGS FROM THIS MOVEMENT?!"

[young swan]

cause from then onwards is perhaps the most damage thats ever been dealt to our core identity, seeing the progressive death of pressing BT on cooldown and just playing the RB reset casino

[restive peak]

And the 16% is actually 16% of the .4 lbs of muscle gained, aka negligible

[limber oar]

Oh ya thats giga cringe

[restive peak]

But yes, people should be reading the literature to determine their set/rep/day schemes

[limber oar]

Dr. mike israetel tho has the hookup on some really nice science based workouts tho

I like watching him

[tight idol]

At the end of the day do what works for you scienced based or not lol

What works for some ppl may not work for u

[limber oar]

And wont injure you**

thats a big part

[restive peak]

Just like politics and news, you should watch several different people/read different journals and apply what you enjoy/makes sense/works for you to yourself

[tight idol]

^

[keen dove]

any broken trinkets for us in the next patch?

[young swan]

razor coral trinket

perhaps halls trinket as well

[restive peak]

Gib sacbrood

[modest condor]

nah

sacbrood boring

did you guys see that trinket that procs haste

that also procs if you kill an enemy

now that's good shit

[young swan]

so not looking forward to that dungeon with our current damage profile

[young swan]

the return of legion war machine

beautiful

[modest condor]

that trinket is getting absolutely destroyed or it's gonna be by far the most broken trinket in m+ the game has ever seen

[young swan]

im gonna go look

[chilly fractal]

Wonder if Mechano Core and Energy drink are sticking around or if there are going to be other overtuned delve trinkets

[young swan]

oh my fucking god lol

[chilly fractal]

“Witnessing an ally’s death” that’s the good shit right there

[marble pilot]

Thats fun for m+ or maybe some add heavy raid fights

[chilly fractal]

Sacrifice the Holy Priests and Shaman

[marble pilot]

20k haste is a lot

[young swan]

i wonder if "instantly tears at your sanity" means it gives a stack/removes a stack or just insta procs it for you

[rocky spoke]

what about 30000 mastery ?

[chilly fractal]

May have to kill a lot of Shaman

[radiant plank]

gang am I cooked if my close grip bench is better than my normal bench

[young swan]

the proc rate is pretty bad

[red berry]

that trinker means im not using any haste gear in keys

/j

[marble pilot]

If you have to pick up the fragments I hate it. If they just happen when something dies it sounds pretty good lol

[flat river]

better than pacemaker?

[young swan]

pacemaker is irrelevant in a season with sacbrood

[flat river]

:o

[chilly fractal]

Sacbroodeeznuts

[flat river]

so sacbrood and what are BiS

the 20 second cd trink?

[lean heart]

whatever they decide to do with fury rework they gotta start with removing the 3 dog piss stat nodes

[young swan]

yeah prob

[marble pilot]

Imagine everyone voting for m+ dungeons with good trinkets. Only for the new trinkets to be better

[lean heart]

and smf
yeet that shit

[rocky spoke]

this is a delve trinket tho, not so ?

[lean heart]

in da trash

[young swan]

we played delve trinkets literally this season

[flat river]

new fury rework: we are going back to only SMF

[lean heart]

its joever

[slim coral]

Wonder if it scales up

stil in my bags

[flat river]

new fury reword: you are now a worse outlaw rouge

[flat river]

in keys

[chilly fractal]

3 boss banger dungeons and Floodgate I have no complaints on the voted dungeons

[slim coral]

it should sclae up in raid no?

[flat river]

that too if raid scales

[chilly fractal]

The dungeon pool actually in my opinion is the greatest ever

[lean heart]

good dg pool this time agreed

[marble pilot]

Oh I dont mind them either. I just find it funny that all the reddit posts/youtube say people voted for trinket dungeons and for no other reason.

[red berry]

i didnt care much for priory

or thet flying dungeon

[marble pilot]

Priory got some changes I think

[plush zephyr]

I wish you could get a veto of a dungeon for the season lmao

[restive peak]

Stronger triceps than shoulders, or just your form sucks on reg bench. Actual bench is a full body movement that's mostly chest/should, but close grip tends to force the back flat and use more direct chest/tricep

[flat river]

i tested, it gives u a stack

[young swan]

yeah okay thats not nearly as broken

still insane in m+

@modest condor

[flat river]

true

[radiant plank]

THanks for the analysis coach

[winter shoal]

Linc ghosted me when I sent him a 50k word article on training volume research sadeg

[restive peak]

Love you

No I read it, didn't have a chance to msg you

[south kayak]

No wonder

[winter shoal]

It was a lot of words for me to be like damn I'm not doing 20 sets a week for each muscle group

[south kayak]

50k is too much

[flat river]

its more than a lust btw

[restive peak]

Things like this "each set of rows would only count as half a set of weekly volume for the biceps."

From the article concern me

[winter shoal]

Yeah 20 fractional sets ig

Just a consequence of how different studies handle fractional sets and having to aggregate that for a meta-regression

[restive peak]

The idea that any set is "half" is simply stupid, esp when considering that your biceps recieve equal if not more stimulation from any row movement purely due to loading

[young swan]

i dont think thats true

[restive peak]

Like you will never curl even 40% of what you should be able to row, for example

[flat river]

lust is 30%

[south kayak]

how much is 20k

[young swan]

lust is 30% multiplicative with any rating you have

[flat river]

mine is 31% and its 17k haste

[young swan]

20k can be diminished

[restive peak]

The idea that your biceps only recieved a half of set worth of loading/mechanical tension because it's not purely a bicep move is.....wrong, in my opinion

[flat river]

its more than lust if its not diminished

[slim coral]

wish raid testing was now and I didn't have to wait for 2 more hours

[young swan]

again

30% is multiplicative

[restive peak]

Also strength vs muscle growth are not linear, so while I see what he's discussing...it isn't applicable to literally 95% of training individuals goals

[young swan]

20k isnt

its not 30% flat

[flat river]

i wish they put arakara sacbrood in trinket tester

ffs

[chilly fractal]

Imagine there is a season 4 this xpack and they have us vote on tier sets again… at least there won’t be any debate this time around

[lean heart]

by this logic am i safe just never doing biceps curl and just do row on pull days

[flat river]

and they give us the 4 worst dungeons

[chilly fractal]

Yea the bottom 4

[winter shoal]

I agree, for most people I think the best approach is just what they enjoy and can consistently do for a long period of time without injury. But I also just think it's neat

[restive peak]

I mean to a certain point yes

[lean heart]

[restive peak]

But at a certain point, your biceps will require a full lengthened load pattern at the least

[winter shoal]

I mean he also talks about this w.r.t. mechanical tension, like maybe that's true but we don't really have direct research on it

So we can't make a claim one way or the other based on evidence

We can feelycraft tho ofc

[restive peak]

Moreso we structure it where I'd do a total of say 3 working sets on larger loaded patterns, but only 1-2 on biceps/triceps/side delts etc

[lean heart]

i do like 3-5 sets of biceps curl on pull days usually so not a ton

[restive peak]

I never do more than 2 working sets on smaller, supportive muscle groups

But I might do 2 movements for it, if that makes sense

Example - 1 arm preacher DB curls + barbell standing curls, but 2 sets of each

[lean heart]

[restive peak]

But I would never only do 2 sets of say...wide grip pull ups

Yaknow?

But your training protocols would factor in, I do U/L 4x a week, my biceps receive direct stimulation twice, but also need to be fully recovered by the 2nd upper day

[lean heart]

been tryna do face pulls for rear delts recently but the movement dont really make sense to me

[restive peak]

So destroying them on Upper 1 would be detrimental to my overall goals

Face pulls are good but require high neuro control on the movement; I make most clients just do rear flyes on a machine

[lean heart]

yup i prefer rear flyes

[restive peak]

It's easier to ensure the movement is proper, and also important to remember your body does not know which movement is which

[flat river]

new warrior spec leak?

[restive peak]

It understands stimulation = we need to grow

[lean heart]

[south kayak]

HOLY

[lean heart]

support spec using 2 shields

[winter shoal]

Pausechamp

[south kayak]

More likely just a bug

[radiant plank]

Thoughts on torso - limb - rest repeat

[winter shoal]

Very based

[flat river]

[restive peak]

https://tenor.com/view/curb-your-enthusiasm-larry-david-gif-25113678

LMAO

[slim coral]

Exodia Obtained

[flat river]

what about 20sec onuse

[slim coral]

[radiant plank]

Lowkey its kinda good for arm growth

[restive peak]

Bazed are you playing with your new guild, Poptart?

[radiant plank]

nocapp on god sheesh

[restive peak]

Bro if your arms aren't 31 inches why you even here bro

[slim coral]

they are not raid testing

[radiant plank]

mb gang

[restive peak]

I'm a no raid test believer now

[flat river]

u guys want me to stream pug raid testing? OwO

[radiant plank]

no im good gala

[slim coral]

I'll be streaming it

[flat river]

[flat river]

the haste trink stacks reset out of combat

i think

[modest condor]

it also loses stacks out of combat

i think this is the buff

17% uptime, maybe not as good as i thought

[slim coral]

just don't lose combat

[flat river]

[coarse nest]

Don’t group with a rogue they’ll be giga mad

[flat river]

exodia obtained

[slim coral]

That's not exodia

[flat river]

btw u can run normal ara kara

get sacbrood

and it will scale

xd

[modest condor]

need the halls trinket

[flat river]

run is solo

[modest condor]

(i dont think it's as good as this on use)

[radiant plank]

how about you run some job applications

[slim coral]

yeah idk where the halls trinket at

[flat river]

ITS A CHANNEL

HELL NO

[modest condor]

if you can use it directly after an ability that barely matters

[coarse nest]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[flat river]

HELL NO

[young swan]

u should be able to use it in the middle of a gcd

[coarse nest]

Gottem hollyy

[young swan]

so its really 0-second channel

[flat river]

u cant coerce me

[coarse nest]

Macro it to Bladestorm

Ez

[south kayak]

what trinkets are you guys using on ptr?

for aoe

[south kayak]

what's that

[flat river]

triangle and egg

[modest condor]

i just tested the haste proc trinket and it seems garbage

[south kayak]

is this good

[young swan]

i think its pretty mid

[south kayak]

what's not mid

[young swan]

sacbrood

pacemaker

and the triangle

[south kayak]

netherprism?

[young swan]

yeah

the triangle

[slim coral]

Don't use the triangle

Illuminati will get you

[young swan]

the triangle is very powerful

[restive peak]

Sac+pace = afk gaming

[young swan]

i wonder if it'll be better to us the triangle on 2min cadence with AM cause u dont actually care about being 1.5m with AM

like just waiting for max stacks and using with your next reck/BS cause you'll have avatar guaranteed anyways

[modest condor]

the longer reck and ava duration at 1.5 minutes is worth considering

it's why the 2min priory trinket still wasnt better for us i think

[slim coral]

surely they'll turn some of the 2 mins to 1 min 30

[sudden tusk]

Prio trinket was also just less stat then HoC at 1.5

Because they turned HoC into a 1.5 from a 2 but never nerfed the stats p sure

[young swan]

i feel with how overbudget triangle is, i think its possible we delay to 2m usage

[south kayak]

btw BS does a lot of damage over the course of testing dummies

[modest condor]

doesnt explain why a myth signet is worse than a hero lens

[south kayak]

a lot of cdr from the 2p

4p is useless in aoe though

[sullen dove]

Ball use 2:30

same shtick am bs have reck

full stacks

stronk

[sudden tusk]

:imallears:

[sullen dove]

:balls:

[hardy bluff]

does ptr raid scale you up in ilvl or does it keep current ilvl

[south kayak]

I think 4p should probably be BT damage increased by 20% and you get another chance to proc reap from BT

welcome fellas

[sullen dove]

Psure scaled to a set Ilvl in the raid

that’s like kind of a terrible Ilvl if I recall

Like normal lvl or some shit

[hardy bluff]

yea i just forgot if that was dungeons only or raid aswell

ty

[south kayak]

4p should be enough proc chance for reap to the point u always proc it on 5 targets IMO

[slim coral]

they always scale you

so you can't one shot bosses or whatever

[hardy bluff]

do you get the cloak in raid? didnt see it on the vendor

[flat river]

u can get cloak

if u finish story

[hardy bluff]

[south kayak]

I'd be so much better if 4p was around BT, 2% chance per OW on the target

so i'd be 40% chance to proc reap