fury

[tepid cedar]

This was thane. Top is current bottom is crit. 10 targets.

[compact knot]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/estimated-dps-loss-with-highlight-assist-and-one-button-rotation-in-patch-11-1-7-377287#comments

dude prot paladin loses 60%

thats insane lmao

[winter shoal]

You'll probably find out at the same time as the rest of us once sims have been updated and run, and their results have been posted in #updates-midnight , no need to ping Archi

[candid falcon]

probably crit chain

[dense elbow]

Probably something else in another week. Whatever delve reward we havent farmed out as a mass

So dont worry about the belt atm

[dense elbow]

as long numbers dont come from Paladin discord, I will believe it. Those guy masters

[fast mural]

are people now upset the one button is bad ?

[south kayak]

Off gcd button

[fast mural]

and before they were upset it was too good?

[summer quail]

people are gonna be upset no matter what

[south kayak]

^

The one button is intended for new players and casuals

[fast mural]

just make both sides mad and let the world burn

https://tenor.com/view/fire-gif-10341555270454130792

[coarse nest]

Wow players hate everything

You get used to it

[summer quail]

i love legion arms

[fast mural]

imagine if you gonna hate it once legion classic comes out

cause we forgot the bad stuff about it

[dense elbow]

You underestimate the power of nostalgia

[summer quail]

nah i know the bad part. the mastery, its only flaw. makes it so you do no damage when target is not affected by cs

but instead of changing only the mastery which was the problem they changed everything

[edgy widget]

ok nevermind, Charged Bolts is deader than shit

[earnest crag]

thank you for this!!

[quiet breach]

thank u

[south kayak]

Yo Archi, thoughts on the Thane set?

[edgy widget]

no thought, just smash

[south kayak]

Ok but it’s not even smashing

I tried it on the ptr and ionizing strikes only procced once after 10+ casts of TB

[sand crest]

damn

better buff flameshaper

[earnest crag]

for anyone here that's tried 1 button roto, is there anything you saw it doing wrong specifically?

[mossy pelican]

doesn't account for exe or bt conditionals

doesn't cast storm bolt during bs

[limber oar]

In execute range it literally sends execute on cd

[olive wraith]

Storm bolt isn’t a damage button

[tepid cedar]

It can be lol

[inland flame]

Just log in to MoP Classic for fat SBs

[tepid cedar]

But I think he meant it in a sense of it won’t stun a target during bs

[summer quail]

technically a dps increase to cast storm bolt during bladestorm. not that it really matters, such an astronomically small gain

[olive wraith]

Let me rephrase. It’s not a current damage button

[summer quail]

technically is(in bladestorm) but that's being pedantic

[olive wraith]

Sbr doesn’t really venture out of the “main” abilities

[tepid cedar]

Can’t r1 not doing r1 things mutou 😂😂

[olive wraith]

Can’t r1 with sbr either

[summer quail]

only gotten a single r1 and didn't stormbolt in bladestorm hahah

[mossy pelican]

Could have been r0

[tepid cedar]

^^^^

0 bettter than 1. True story

[earnest crag]

how is fury lookin for 11.2? Do we know anything yet?

[marble pilot]

Hints that changes are coming and we have not seen them yet

Unless something happened between this mornign and now

[modest condor]

that's not how defensives work, they're multiplicative not additive, so it would be 0.7*0.85*0.8=0.476 or a ~52% DR

[coarse nest]

Explain it to me like I’m 5

[mossy pelican]

0.7 apples multiplied by 0.85 apples mulitplied by 0.8 apples = 0.476 apples

[coarse nest]

Is the 52% oranges that come out of nowhere for no apparent reason?

[modest condor]

no they're bananas

[mossy pelican]

yes hon

[coarse nest]

Ahh got it

[mossy pelican]

[earnest crag]

ah okay tyty, thinking I might try it for 11.2 if it's good which would be enough to lock me into fury for my challenge run lol

[marble pilot]

Doesnt mean the changes are actually good

[sour elbow]

So I guess we just use the crit buff on the belt next week?... like why even introduce this dumb thing if they're just gonna nerf it and the other powers are meh lol

[tepid cedar]

Yea wish they would’ve just buffed the others

[whole yacht]

I was just looking. Wow that's a big nerf

[tepid cedar]

Told y’all critical was the way lol

Going to be nice on slayer m+ builds. When I was fucking around yesterday with critical on slayer builds it was simming nice af

[earnest crag]

are people playing ffury or arms for m+ atm?

[tepid cedar]

Arms has more aoe , by quite a bit

We do a tad bit more st.

If you want an easier time, play arms. If not play fury if that’s what you like

[winter shoal]

If you're not doing high high keys it really doesn't matter, just play what you enjoy

You'll be limited much more by gear and player skill than by spec balance in the low/mid key levels

[tepid cedar]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 devs are full of shit

Fury players laughing at getting shit on 5t 6t7t8t9t and even 1t 🤣🤣

[summer quail]

where's this from?

[tepid cedar]

Marcelianonline interview

[summer quail]

ugh

[south kayak]

Looks like I ain’t playing warrior ever again

Bunch of morons

[summer quail]

atleast critcake will like that interview. it's his fav content creator

@mossy fox

[marble pilot]

Give us funnel then ill be happy to do that job

[compact knot]

yeah guys im playing MM next tier

[earnest crag]

I mean I'm only at 17-18 with my sham so I won't go higher than that probably

[winter shoal]

HUH

[south kayak]

That’s a bug

[winter shoal]

If you're pugging it'll probably be rough at that key level as fury, not because of the spec being bad but because of the community perception

[compact knot]

they added a new talent that gives you 100% chance to give you lock n load when you explosive shot, but the season 2 set gives you a free explosive shot when you lock n load

its not a bug

but it will be changed

[south kayak]

Ok but won’t be intended to go out like that

[compact knot]

yeah obviously

[south kayak]

I understand every class excels at different things but if we’re capped to 5 targets we should excel at it

Not have half the spec do better damage

[earnest crag]

cool, ty for the advice, I do really like the look of fury vs arms so I'll probably be stickin with it

[south kayak]

Shit design

[mossy fox]

oh no

[earnest crag]

especially since it seems like it's the better spec for 1 button roto lol

[south kayak]

These bozos don’t even know how to design

I’m so sick of WoW devs

[winter shoal]

Both specs are pretty easy to learn, if you're capable of 18s you can def learn either warrior spec pretty easily (if you want to, I use hekili for alts so I get it if you just want to vibe)

[earnest crag]

I'm doing a challenge run first using the one button

but then I'm thinking of learning to play fury for real for next season in case it's good :)

[winter shoal]

oh word

[south kayak]

Don’t okay fury

It’s gonna be trash

Play*

[earnest crag]

really? It was so good this season

[iron portal]

Dont okay fury

[winter shoal]

Thane looking extremely trash yeah

[south kayak]

Fury is dogshit as long as it’s trash in m+

That’s it

[earnest crag]

what're your predictions for meta melee specs next season?

[winter shoal]

None of them

[south kayak]

Fury being trash

[earnest crag]

other people are saying it's fine in m+ tho?

[winter shoal]

balance + mage + x

As always

Maybe aug

maybe hunter if they can survive

[earnest crag]

I mean that wasn't the best comp in s1 lol

[south kayak]

We don’t know

It’s gonna be different

But just know fury isn’t gonna be meta in m+

[earnest crag]

how does the tier set bonus look atm? I'm sure it'll be changed but still curious

[south kayak]

As long as they insist on 5 target caps

[winter shoal]

Thane tier set is extremely bad, slayer looks very very good single target but not sure aoe

[south kayak]

We’re just unlucky dealing with terrible class designers

It is what it is

They hate warrior for some reason

[earnest crag]

I mean warrior comps have done tons of world first keys this season so it's not that bad

[winter shoal]

Bro is just yapping

[earnest crag]

ah okay

[winter shoal]

But also community perception is a very real thing

Doesn't matter if Noxiv can do 20s, I'm not getting into pugs bc people think fury is bad

[earnest crag]

I have a good group of friends that push m+ every season so I'm not super worried about pugs

[winter shoal]

Then I get into pugs and windmill dunk the mages in there

[south kayak]

Maybe I am yapping but if there’s specs that deal damage to all enemies while you’re playing a spec that hits 5 targets, that’s just bad design

And it feels bad

[winter shoal]

I will say tho if you're looking at fury, the only thing you have to offer is prio dam

Your overall will be shite compared to other classes if they're being piloted well

You should win every boss tho

[earnest crag]

prio dam is huge in at least 4 of the dungeons this season so that's a plus at least

[south kayak]

Even their philosophy regarding different strengths is fake news

[winter shoal]

The other side of this is there are other classes with lots of prio that aren't capped to 5 targets

[south kayak]

Because fury isn’t the best at 5 targets

Fury should be the best By far

When hitting 5 targets

[earnest crag]

yeah I mean I'm coming off enh sham so I know the value of good prio lol

[south kayak]

Enha is pretty good in m+

I switched to enha in s1 then evoker now

[earnest crag]

yeah vv good, one of the best I'd argue

but 2 seasons of shaman is more than enough for me

[south kayak]

Fury is my main at heart but I can’t play it because the devs don’t let me

[winter shoal]

Sin rogue also very good prio but holy fuck it's boring

if you want to play melee

[coarse nest]

Bro come on you can play warrior

Crit literally does 20s on warrior

Novix

[earnest crag]

how come Novix gets to play it but not you? :Hehe:

[south kayak]

I don’t like doing damage to 5 targets when 10+ are pulled

[winter shoal]

Havoc also good prio as aldrachi but I don't see many of them for some reason

I guess just already have vdh

[coarse nest]

Remove details from the screen and triple the size on emphasized critical strikes

[earnest crag]

yeah I saw Felo was playing with a havoc but it apparently can't be played with only 1 button atm

[coarse nest]

Best way to play warrior

[earnest crag]

also I have a geared dh so I can always play it next season if I want but I don't have a warr

[humble plover]

Noxiv has a crowning achievement few of us have. Friends

[winter shoal]

yeah I'm talking about if you're thinking about other classes for next season

[south kayak]

I also I have a thing where if I don’t top dps I am annoyed

Sounds bad but idk

[earnest crag]

this gave me a good chuckle, ty lol

[coarse nest]

So right now the only spec you can play is uhdk

Sounds pretty trash to me

When warrior is this cool

[south kayak]

I don’t like that spec

Plays like shit

It depends on damage + feel

Can’t be one or the other

[earnest crag]

box I've known you for like 10 minutes and I think you need a snickers or something

[winter shoal]

based

[south kayak]

I am cooked

[coarse nest]

I’ve been eyeing up sin as a casual alt looks pretty fun

[earnest crag]

sin apparently good on 1 button too

[winter shoal]

It's really fun until you have to sit and wait for energy for 5 seconds

[south kayak]

Bro that dev comment made me pissed

[coarse nest]

I don’t really ever do alts because I’m not good at multi classing so it really depends on how well the binds would flow with what I’m used to as warrior

But it’s been fun to watch gameplay of it in action

[earnest crag]

yeah unless you have like 40 hours a week alts are boring af

[winter shoal]

I mean like I said I use hekili for alts so I'm just playing whack a mole

[earnest crag]

I only do it end of season when there's not much else to do

[winter shoal]

Outlaw was really fun when I played it in df s3

Felt like a better version of fury

idk how it is now tho

[south kayak]

I have 4p on 8 classes

[earnest crag]

apparently quite good for keys, not sure how it feels tho

[winter shoal]

Yeah I meant in terms of gameplay feeling

[south kayak]

Feels great to me

I love playing it in keys

[coarse nest]

Outlaw only player in my guild says it has a lot of annoyances to it right now

Like killing spree gets you killed for example

[earnest crag]

I just wanna say, I've been in most class discords today asking about 1 button roto and this is by far the most chill discord

appreciate the help today guys

[winter shoal]

warrior discord is a vibe until someone brings up target caps

or frog gifs

[south kayak]

As evidenced by my meltdown

[winter shoal]

I wasn't gonna name names

But yes

[coarse nest]

Try asking a question in hunter discord lmao

[summer quail]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-attacker-jumpscare-frog-jumpscare-boo-gif-1410553638666856648

[coarse nest]

You don’t even exist there

[earnest crag]

even you were chill box

the warlock discord ran me out when I asked about 1 button

[south kayak]

I am not really like pissed or anything

[earnest crag]

never going back there again

[south kayak]

Just annoyed

[winter shoal]

Isn't warlock like one of the least affected by the 1 button

[coarse nest]

Warrior and rogue discord easily the best

[winter shoal]

them and ret

[south kayak]

Rogue is pretty good actually

[earnest crag]

from what I gather boomy, rogue, and destro lock are best off with 1 button rn

bm hunter and fury seem to be next up

[south kayak]

You know what’s funny, the classic warrior discord is actually one of the most toxic discords ever

It’s called fight club

[winter shoal]

rogue discord got snippy with me when I linked my very real and definitely not cropped parses

[coarse nest]

Lmao

[earnest crag]

yeah one guy in rogue discord got really mad about 1 button

[winter shoal]

The guy who was actual r1 outlaw had some choice words for me

[south kayak]

I wonder what’s the worst retail class discord

[earnest crag]

but everyone else was chill lol

[south kayak]

Dh?

[storm birch]

Warlock no?

[earnest crag]

nah DH are chill

[coarse nest]

“Guy” still does the outlaw theory craft?

Haven’t been there in a while

[winter shoal]

I've heard very bad things about the paladin disc

[earnest crag]

warlock is worst imo from playing it back in SL and now coming back to check in on one button

that is an edgy discrod

[south kayak]

Oh that reminds me

They removed inferno for destro

They’re bound to be pissed lol

[summer quail]

dh is just edgier warrior discord

[winter shoal]

idk but someone said recently that one of the rogue TCs does the simc implementation for like half the classes in the game or something

goat shit

[coarse nest]

I mean we’re talking about people who sandbag there sims

Lmao

[south kayak]

Warlocks are the worst

[whole yacht]

true

[winter shoal]

Weren't people mad at Guy about something recently

[summer quail]

warlock and druid discord. druid discord is so confusing

[earnest crag]

druids were super nice to me about 1 button but that's all I know lol

[whole yacht]

balance 1 button op

[earnest crag]

actually had some good info for me on fixing the opener and making it really good

[winter shoal]

Balance tier set lookin kinda juiced next season no?

[coarse nest]

Our raid leader (usually 21st man) filled for us on first boss last week and he played boomkin 1 button

Bottom dps of course but aye

Kinda funny

(Well this Tuesday)

We finished raiding this week lol

[whole yacht]

bottom dps? 🤔

so is it only good in keys?

[opaque shoal]

for the tier set is a 35% chance per target to get hit 5 times? or a 35% chance to send out 5 strikes regardless of target count?

[young swan]

hey guys max is going over tier sets cant wait for him to get to warrior and be like "idk skip"

[whole yacht]

lmao

[coarse nest]

Warriors don’t exist to max

Except when they’re good execute spec

[winter shoal]

Always sends out 5 strikes but it does so little dam it's not worth worrying about

Gets reworked soon surely

[opaque shoal]

ah thats a bummer, would have been cool to have it be uncapped but yea hopefully it gets changed cause it doesnt seem to be working as intended

or does it.. lol

ty

[south kayak]

I used thunder blast 10 times on so, only procced it once

It’s cooked

[winter shoal]

Never 4get when Max brought in Crit to talk about warriors in VOTI, then started telling his own story about something the liquid warriors did, then said "anyways, like you were saying, [refers to the thing he was saying instead of the thing Crit was saying]"

[south kayak]

I think it should always be calling down the strikes

[winter shoal]

Yeah it's pretty shite, feels pretty unimpactful even when it does proc, and it's really easy to overcap during rav esp with ava

[south kayak]

And buff the strikes too

[winter shoal]

I think the proc should reset TB cd at least

And then proc rate and/or dam should also be adjusted

[modest condor]

like usual

[vague tapir]

Or it could trigger a second TB centred on every target our initial TB hits…

[winter shoal]

That sounds like quadratic scaling

THey do not like that

[summer quail]

they love it for unholy

[vague tapir]

^ Exactly

[young swan]

hes about to skip warrior!!

[whole yacht]

just heard max go "i dont know what warlock words mean, so im gonna skip these"

lmao

what a tier review

[winter shoal]

Didn't they remove SD epidemic popping wounds to prevent this

idk how udk works tbh

vs dc vs dc vs dc

top dam

ez

[whole yacht]

damn hes proving you wrong.

[summer quail]

idk what they have done recently. i know new unholy is also centered arounds wounds

[young swan]

unlucky

he likes arms

he will skip fury maybe

[whole yacht]

reading it

[south kayak]

I think they completely changed blood beast

[whole yacht]

lmao

[south kayak]

So it’s not reliant on rng for huge damage

Now it’s moderate damage and activates from transformation

[whole yacht]

i might play ww next tier tbh

[south kayak]

Going from 5 target cap to 5 target cap

[young swan]

@summer quail there is no way u said the 4 set is irrelevant when it makes us completely stop pressing bt

[summer quail]

i said it!

[young swan]

its relevant in all the worst ways

[winter shoal]

Xan you WILL press RB and you WILL like it

[south kayak]

We’ve been pressing it all expac

It’s time to stop

[summer quail]

they love raging blow

[winter shoal]

Can't wait for Arma to cook up the simc implementation so I can see just how dead bt is

[young swan]

yeah i want it injected in my veins

need to know if my cooking actually resulted in a good build or if im just turbo washed

[south kayak]

What’s your cooking

[coarse nest]

Annihilator build here we goooo

[winter shoal]

DRop a bunch of BT talents, take RB crit nodes and spear/cm

[young swan]

dropping vc for crit thinking and picking up spear + crit dam node

[cosmic sundial]

I'm drawing a blank on something, what do we call an item/weapon that has a secondary effect like BiS?

[young swan]

also dropping the 2nd point of haste in the class tree for execute crit dam

[cosmic sundial]

I can't remember the term lmao

[young swan]

cantrip

[coarse nest]

Cantrip

[winter shoal]

Cantrip weapons are ones with damage procs

[cosmic sundial]

thank you

[south kayak]

So basically not using BT at all

[young swan]

correct

[south kayak]

I don’t wanna play anymore

[winter shoal]

I still think the BT crit conditional will be worth tbh

Above raw RB

But sims will say

[south kayak]

It doesn’t make sense to me, man

Why they put RB in 4p

[young swan]

oh and opportunist

[south kayak]

I just can’t get my head around it

[winter shoal]

I was just about to say Xan

FF is omega dead

[young swan]

yeah that talent is fucking chopped

that was the first change i made

and then it cascaded

[winter shoal]

I was thinking earlier, BF SS stacking is probably even more important now

[south kayak]

People aren’t mad enough about the RB thing

[winter shoal]

With RB being stronger and more BS per min

[south kayak]

Y’all should be losing it

[winter shoal]

Kinda cringe

[young swan]

welcome RA overlords

[winter shoal]

Absolutely not

I send it back

[coarse nest]

If I don’t take this then I don’t need that and if I don’t have either of those then I don’t need this and because all of those are gone now this is bad

[winter shoal]

I accidentally did vexie with RA once bc I swapped to the wrong talents and let me tell you my brain absolutely shit its pants when I saw the CB/BB icons

[young swan]

pretty much lmfao

[south kayak]

Bring back rampage highest prio, then execute > BT and then RB

Please

[coarse nest]

RA reign supreme!!

[winter shoal]

I was like I know I practiced this on PTR but I cannot remember the prio to save my life

[young swan]

i think RA could be real but holy moly would it make me hate fury

[winter shoal]

What if I told you bloodcraze is only there so we can take DE

[young swan]

I think that would be the nail in the coffin for a lot of people

unfortunately 6.5m crits are pretty powerful

better hope u get lucky!

[winter shoal]

New fdk angle

[south kayak]

The devs actually just keep making the spec feel worse

It’s actually impressive

[winter shoal]

idk AM slayer feels pretty fun on ptr

[south kayak]

Unbelievable

[winter shoal]

Like it's stupid

[summer quail]

ain't no way RA is real

[winter shoal]

But it's kinda fun

[south kayak]

It’s donkey

[young swan]

i think its kinda real unfortunately

it was only 50k behind

actually less

30k

but that was 1 test

it was also giga variance

[summer quail]

xan what kinda build did you cook up? need to pick some talents on left side

[lean heart]

i was trying RA on PTR not pressing BB feels so shit

[south kayak]

The whole spec is out of whack

[south kayak]

Instead of fixing prios

They made it worse

Every time

[young swan]

u could probably drop deft for something else

[winter shoal]

I will never drop DE

Walli's thane build with no DE makes my skin crawl

There's also not really anything better to take in t2

[coarse nest]

Doesn’t execute hit harder

Maybe mass angle

[winter shoal]

Absolutely not

Exe is only good because of the slayers strike proc

And that only comes from SD exes

[coarse nest]

Then I don’t see any changes on the right side

Looks solid for sure

[lean heart]

you dont even need Mass you get giga execute procs

from 2p

[winter shoal]

Yeah I mean it could be good for AJ uptime on average

But it's pretty tough to drop stacks atp

[remote bobcat]

deft still seems ass to me. And I assume we'll drop deft+gushing for ww and meatcleaver?

Thinkge

sim questions over sim questions

innit

[winter shoal]

I could see SD conditionals of like 2sd insta and then hold 1sd for low duration like we do now

[young swan]

prob deft + bc

[remote bobcat]

bc?

no shot

[young swan]

idfk man

[remote bobcat]

gushing is good cuz of bc

if u take out bc whats the point of gushing

[winter shoal]

You still use a bunch of BTs in aoe

[remote bobcat]

you dont tho

[winter shoal]

if they don't change the RB target count proc thing

[remote bobcat]

okok

big if

i assume they will

[young swan]

massacre is only good for reducing the amount of time between SDs when you have 2 stacks and dont get a proc in the cooldown duration

[summer quail]

i run same build but with massacre instead of 1 point deft

[winter shoal]

Idk I think you drop UF and maybe one in crit thinking for aoe

[summer quail]

execute damage is increased by 20% from the tier. think mass might be worth

[modest condor]

if they change the 4set reap proc maybe

as it stands aoe is still just spamming bt

[winter shoal]

20% of 1 dogshit is 1.2 dogshit

the slayers strike proc is what matters

[remote bobcat]

i mean yea but like

there is no fucking way

[modest condor]

also raging blow also get a 20% buff

[remote bobcat]

that the reap logic stays different

[modest condor]

so that just negates the 20% on execute

[remote bobcat]

like theres just no fucking way

[summer quail]

i mean you say that, but it genuinely hits decently hard atm

[south kayak]

It hits giga because of SD procs

[summer quail]

no it doesn't. tierset does not increase SD damage

[winter shoal]

okay yeah it does actually do some dam

[south kayak]

It does because it procs slayers strikes?

[winter shoal]

wait nvm it's shit I think

[summer quail]

then that's not "execute" hitting hard

[winter shoal]

I think it's combining both hits of exe but not others

[modest condor]

yes that's what we're saying

[winter shoal]

Or maybe I'm just stupid idk

details does weird things

[south kayak]

Yeah but it still comes out very high up there

[modest condor]

the tierset isnt gonna make execute overtake anything in prio

it's just sd

[south kayak]

I think that’s fine

SD procs a lot on ptr

[summer quail]

tru, sd does make it better. just saying execute itself hits decently hard atm

[south kayak]

That’s true but raging blow just does so much more

And that’s the main issue

Much more things*

Not just damage

This spec would feel so much better if they cut down on RB mods and out Slaughtering on BT

[summer quail]

true rb does do more things. the average damage per execute it alot higher than rb tho with how high the crit chance is

[south kayak]

You’d think rampage is a builder

Looking at that lol

[smoky vale]

it is

[south kayak]

It’s cooked lol

[summer quail]

yea lmao. rampage is cooked

[smoky vale]

you are building rampage to spend rbs

🙂

[south kayak]

Would have been maybe cooler if 4p was rampage damage

And rampage procs reap

[remote bobcat]

tbh mosto f the dam is from mfe tho no?

[modest condor]

rampage is building enrage uptime Chatting

[south kayak]

Got an 4.3m execute crit

[young swan]

thats it?

[south kayak]

One hit

Idk what second did

[young swan]

i had a 5.1 (5.4 maybe?)

and a 6.5m cb

[summer quail]

hmh idk how i would test if that is true or not

[south kayak]

Imagine playing bfa fury and then this fury

I miss bfa

(Fury)

[iron portal]

RF gameplay

[orchid dagger]

I miss SL S3 Warrior

[iron portal]

Mini charges

[orchid dagger]

Death Sentence Condemns putting the fear of God into mages

[iron portal]

That kill you on Halondrus. Beautiful

[remote bobcat]

each stack of MFE is 15% crit chance and crit dmg

[orchid dagger]

As God intended

[remote bobcat]

so 3x mfe is +45%

in dam and chance

[summer quail]

yeah obviously, but i do not know how many times mfe got applied

[coarse nest]

How long was combat here?

[summer quail]

like 3m

[remote bobcat]

actually i fucking lied its even better. It's +45% dmg, +45% crit chance +45% crit damage

[young swan]

yes mfe is fucking broken

[remote bobcat]

yea

[orchid dagger]

Now all of you shut up and sandbag parses for more buffs

[south kayak]

Yeah press BT over rb

[remote bobcat]

not happening

[young swan]

yo this tierset would be kinda cracked in pvp huh

[south kayak]

Won’t look fishy

[remote bobcat]

it is cracked

[south kayak]

“Kinda”

[orchid dagger]

It's already nerfed iirc

[remote bobcat]

u click exe with 3x mfe and target just dies

[young swan]

[orchid dagger]

Generally tiersets get 50% nerf for pvp

At least

[south kayak]

They did enough testing to check if the set is broken in pvp

But didn’t test thane set

Classic

Imagine pushing out a tier set that does 0 damage

[orchid dagger]

If by "testing" you mean 50% nerf then forgotten about then yes

[south kayak]

Thane set is actually 0% damage

[modest condor]

hello it's 1% damage not 0%

that's infinitely stronger than you said

[south kayak]

Sorry

My bad

[remote bobcat]

hi @modest condor

[modest condor]

hi

[south kayak]

Is buffing the proc chance to always happen even enough of a buff?

Don’t seem like it

[modest condor]

no lol

they would need to increase the damage by like 300% still if they did that

assuming you're talking about 2set

[south kayak]

Yeah

I am talking about the whole set

[modest condor]

i mean even if both the 2set and the 4set were guaranteed procs it would still be shit

[south kayak]

Fair

I don’t understand why 2p isn’t another cast of thunder blast

Instead of some new shit

An automatic cast

Or even more lightning strikes

Doesn’t matter I guess

[south kayak]

Somehow they hit all the sets dps correctly but fury is the one they mess up

[winter shoal]

What if it made each of your next 4 abilities also proc a thunder blast

holy

[south kayak]

Shit like this builds up

And gets me to the point I stopped playing the spec

It’s just crazy

So many shit tiers for fury

And lack of good changes

They don’t like warriors

No other explanation

[winter shoal]

I mean

Lots of explanations

[south kayak]

I just wanna know why they shipped the set on ptr like that

[winter shoal]

FWIW when the sets were announced, people were going crazy about the thane one

[south kayak]

There’s no shot they tested it

[winter shoal]

It reads like absolute cinema

It just isn't tuned well

But like if you're playing thane you want to blast

[south kayak]

Sure but testing it once would tell you that

Why push it

[winter shoal]

Tier set making you blast more is good

[south kayak]

All the dev has to do is log in

Change to thane

[winter shoal]

Imo it just needs some numerical adjustments and to make the proc reset the TB cd

[south kayak]

And they’ll see the set does nothing

[winter shoal]

nothing catastrophic

It's the first PTR build

[south kayak]

I know that and all but I can’t wrap my head around this

[modest condor]

i've called thane set boring from the moment i first saw it, before i knew how much damage it did

[south kayak]

It depends on how the strikes look imo

[winter shoal]

I think it'll be absolute cinema if they adjust the proc rate a bit and damage a lot

[south kayak]

I couldn’t test it properly

[modest condor]

also neither of the sets are gonna help us in m+ with the current big pull meta

[young swan]

im with silm now they just need to start from scratch

[winter shoal]

BS is soft capped correct?

[modest condor]

yes

[winter shoal]

at 5?

or8

[modest condor]

8 afaik

[south kayak]

They’re not starting from scratch, man

Way past that point

[modest condor]

the only uncapped things we have are heroic leap and roar dot afaik

[young swan]

for a tier set? they definitely arent lol

[south kayak]

Even if it always procs the damage, it would still need to be buffed by like 300% like silm said

[young swan]

they could push out a completely new one

[modest condor]

they completely rework tiersets during ptr all the time

[south kayak]

They rarely do that

[young swan]

its fairly common

[crude ridge]

It happens more than you think

[south kayak]

I know the enha one is completely different from first build to last

But idk about others

Ok let’s say it’s common

[summer quail]

they did that this tier for arms

[south kayak]

You’re a fury warrior

[summer quail]

they did that for fury in df s2

[south kayak]

Means it’s now - 50% chance

[summer quail]

they did that for arms s2

df

[south kayak]

Yeah that’s true

I forgot

What could they do about the thane set though

[crude ridge]

Anything than what they have now

[summer quail]

something to do with raging blow. raging blow has a 20% chance of granting you thunderblast

very innovative

[winter shoal]

Did they change the tier set or did they change how RA worked

I don't remember

Maybe both

I remember it was lookin like ramp bb bb bt ramp on repeat

[south kayak]

Lmao

[modest condor]

you're thinking of df s3

[summer quail]

s2 they changed the tierset. s3 they changed how RA worked, we played AM in s2 df

[modest condor]

df s2 was the stacking bloodthirst buff

[south kayak]

It was op in the ptr

I remember lol

[winter shoal]

Oh right

That one stacked per hit of ramp right

[young swan]

@modest condor what do u think about ravager with the RA build

[winter shoal]

And they changed it to per cast

[summer quail]

correct

[modest condor]

yeah the first iteration was like a 60% dps increase or something stupid like that, then after the first set of nerfs it was still over 30% dps and when it got nerfed again everybody was acting like it was gonna be useless

[south kayak]

Yeah that was such a huge nerf

[modest condor]

with slayer?

[summer quail]

was insane at per hit. like by far the best tierset

[modest condor]

no way

[young swan]

yeah

[south kayak]

You can’t play it without bs

What you mean

[summer quail]

you can technically

[young swan]

yes u can

[winter shoal]

I feel like DPET of your other abilities isn't high enough to justify

[young swan]

arms literally did that early this tier

[fast mural]

you just get the 10% dmg buff later

[south kayak]

Yeah but that before they buffed it

[young swan]

im gonna test it later i think

[south kayak]

Idk if ravager is close now

[modest condor]

im assuming brutal finish doesnt proc off ravager

[young swan]

it doesnt

[modest condor]

and your bladestorms are actually big if you have max stacks

maybe it's a play where you only press bladestorm if you have 3 stacks

it occasionally happens that i dont

[summer quail]

lmao even more conditionals

[south kayak]

Even more reasons to not play

King of conditionals

[winter shoal]

Box man you might need to take a nap and come back in like a week lmao

[south kayak]

True

[crude ridge]

It's ok boys we'll just rely on the next 3 borrowed power items they give us throughout S3

[fast mural]

dw you wont need them once you get the raid renown buffs

[modest condor]

mandatory cloak, mandatory boots, 4 tierset pieces

we're getting awfully close to bis lists being useful again

[sullen dove]

Isn’t max stacks just from consuming any mfe

Or is it 3 mfe 3 times

[modest condor]

3 sudden deaths

[sullen dove]

u think u don’t get 3 sudden deaths before every bladestorm?

[modest condor]

i dont think it matters how many mfe as long as there is 1

i've had times where i didnt yes

[sullen dove]

that’d be crazy no thought it’s like guaranteed even now basically

[junior gale]

I've had so many times I've gotten only 2 SD before next bladestorm

[young swan]

nah u can get some crazy bad dry spells

[junior gale]

I love how you can go from 0 slayer procs for a long time to 5 in the span of 2 seconds

[flat river]

guys

we taking massacre in PTR?

[modest condor]

no

[crude ridge]

Same

[flat river]

why not :<

i thought execute was prio

[modest condor]

because you're not pressing execute without sd anyway

[flat river]

ok

what is prio in PTR

and does gear scale up in m0 dungeons

or do i have to wear current gear from ptr

[sullen dove]

just hit sudden deaths and rb

and then just other shit idk

[flat river]

ok so

Enrage > SD > RB >

[sullen dove]

sum like dat probably

[flat river]

also is the cloak out

[summer quail]

not for testing but we know what it does

[south kayak]

I don’t

Same as belt?

[summer quail]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-reshii-wraps-revealed-everything-we-know-about-the-new-artifact-in-patch-11-377357?utm_source=discord-webhook

[winter shoal]

I think it might end up being like enrage > maintain AJ > 2sd > rb > BT > 1sd type shit

[flat river]

so normal rotation type shit

[sullen tendon]

did they fix the chrono corsair bug?

[flat river]

yes

i got it though

[sullen tendon]

fml

5 weeks of cancer for me

[flat river]

too late >:3

[winter shoal]

Kind of but you send 2sd insta instead of delaying for like 7s remaining

[sullen tendon]

cant wait to run durnholde 5 times

[flat river]

ok again i ask

does gear scale up in m0's

[winter shoal]

on ptr?

[flat river]

yes

[winter shoal]

no clue

[flat river]

the new dungeon is out

[winter shoal]

I only do ptr to hit dummies

[flat river]

dummies dont scale either

xd

or do they?

[winter shoal]

wym by scale

[flat river]

in ptr m+ dungeons

the gear

scales up

to highest ilvl

[winter shoal]

oh I mean you can get 6/6 myth tier gear and like high ilvl weapons and stuff

To hit dummies with

But the dummies themselves don't really scale

I'm like 701 on ptr, xan was like 710

[flat river]

im 713.88

with the new gear

but like

bad stats

[orchid dagger]

Durnholde?

[sullen tendon]

saving thrall dungeon

[orchid dagger]

Is it being bumped to M+?

Or BC TW?

[sullen tendon]

timewalking cause im gonna have to do 5 weeks of this shit

[orchid dagger]

[flat river]

yes that is me

[whole yacht]

🤔

[flat river]

is RA stronger or AM @modest condor in PTR

or are they still close

[olive wraith]

Let people cook for a week or two

[flat river]

also is maw of the void any good

its on-use litterally just collects loot

and it gives only 1 stat

💀

[slim coral]

Now they’re gonna send you spam mail

It’s joever

[flat river]

they dont know which server

[rocky locust]

Is there a way on Raidbots to see what items would be upgrades? Like I don't want to sim every item to see what I should be looking for.

[young swan]

my tests had them decently close but RA felt way more rng

[flat river]

i see

[remote bobcat]

https://youtu.be/x-88AJ9Hgcg

who is this guy

this video is so good

[thick fossil]

So far I'm just seeing this whole s3 state of warrior as another "L"

[remote bobcat]

L for m+, gigantic W for raid

dont @ me

[thick fossil]

Depend how much ST the raid will be. Not to mention mechanics that cause downtime.

[remote bobcat]

ur talking tuning

thats diff

im talking fun

and god

slayer is fuckign fun

and colo ST is rly interesting too

[thick fossil]

It's ok, mid of the pack which is fine.

It's just dumb that pretty much none of our complaints of Fury and Arms even got looked at.

[olive wraith]

Like what you have in your bags? Or from specific keys/raid

[rocky locust]

Stuff I don't have yet

[olive wraith]

The droptimizer tab

Let’s you sim drops from dungeons/raid

[tired lance]

guys which is better atm for raid ? fury or arms ?

[sudden tusk]

fury

[remote bobcat]

RAGE

[sudden tusk]

arms blow up

[remote bobcat]

like its so fucking equal

i love it

[sudden tusk]

rather play the game then play weak aura

[remote bobcat]

agreed

madox strum today?

ptr stuff maybe?

[sudden tusk]

have ffxiv raid

[remote bobcat]

Sadeg

[sudden tusk]

yuh im eepy

[remote bobcat]

im gonna watch how to tame your dragon in the movie theaters tomorrow

with fwiends

Yippie

[remote bobcat]

(tbh you can just go blord over jugg and barely lose dmg)

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

without any real changes to the class idk how much ptr ill do outside of raid testing

[olive wraith]

Are dungeons live on ptr

[remote bobcat]

new one is i think

[flat river]

only new one

m0

[remote bobcat]

hi @flat river five seven

[flat river]

hello

five seven?

oh

xd

[remote bobcat]

clueless~1

[tepid cedar]

now show only damage to boss

lol

[remote bobcat]

why would i

[tepid cedar]

.<

[remote bobcat]

aight here u go

still very equal

[oblique thistle]

right in the middle

no changes needed

[tepid cedar]

fury is but arms skyrocket it

but we are good in raid, little tune here or there and we could be giga

however i do think dmg is super inflated aswell and doesnt tell thewhole truth. we are killin bosses so much faster now. classes who fucking burst to the moon. have a whole lot highger dps then normal since bosses are dying that much faster.

we actually in a good spot lol

[remote bobcat]

clueless~1

Idk ive been saying that we've been eating well but people just complain all day

ShrugPleb

[tepid cedar]

we jsut dont have the giga burst

well we would eat well, but our burst lets us down

[remote bobcat]

like we dont have miserable juggernaut to play around, fury AJ is very forgiving

we barely press execute, which ok

sure

it is what it is

and we still pad on aoe fights

just not as much as before

and skill expression exists for fury

so like wth we are eating so well in raids

@winter shoal would this prefer i press jackshit when i didnt have 80 rage or whats going on

[lean heart]

agreed however i still think theres some problems about the spec that they need to address

[remote bobcat]

SD > whirlwind/slam no?

[remote bobcat]

I mean yea clearly

but our spec functions, it works. There's a reason we've been playing the same fury iteration for years on end

its a solid ass spec ykwim

[lean heart]

tru no argument there

[clever path]

Sorry for the noob question but is the bloodthirst crit tracking only necessary because of a seasonal tier bonus, or is it a class mechanic?

[lean heart]

i really do think they should yeet avatar and completely redesign that button

[lean heart]

its for this

[remote bobcat]

bloodcraze and our tierset intertwine to be weird finnicky funny crit variations for BT

couple that with BT itself being kinda shit

and boom u only click BT with good crit

[jolly parrot]

Why critical chain as fury?

[modest condor]

because that's what sims best

[red berry]

its okay theyll make raging blow have CSHB next

[junior dock]

in aoe do we just spam bt or do we keep doing the until 85% crit chance and below 40%hp ?

[modest condor]

just spam bt

on 2 targets you still do 85% chance but 3+ it's just bt

[junior dock]

kk thx

[echo rapids]

Sooooooo…they uncapped AMZ absorb. Rally buff when?

[flat river]

never fym

its too strong

needs nerf

make it give 1% hp boost for 0.5 seconds

[red berry]

maybe we will get some nice changes. theres still time

[flat river]

[modest condor]

surely

[thick fossil]

Hey, you called it. You said they'd buff sidearm and they did. What a fucking joke.

[young swan]

apparently it got worse

so

[modest condor]

damn i actually did, completely forgot about that

[red berry]

was it buffed for fury too?

[winter shoal]

@young swan
first is enrage > 2sd or AJ conditionals > ramp > bt crit conditional > rb > bt > 1sd over 10m as powerful, 96% AJ uptime
second is that but enrage > any sd > rest, 94% AJ uptime but I dropped stacks several times, felt really swingy

I literally dropped AJ and then 2 globals later had 2sd > 2sd > ramp > rb > 2sd

Trying now with frenzied insta send sd

[olive wraith]

Damn rb be juiced

[dusky moon]

Oi warriors, quick question. Did anyone try to do any cheeses going from season 1 to season 2 of this expansion? Stockpiling paragon caches, weekly caches, one-time use crest or valorstone rewards, or similar strategies? Were you able to get bonus delve keys or similar head starts when season 2 launched? Thanks.

[olive wraith]

I’m pretty sure they’ll reset our valorstones and coffer keys. As far as caches I believe they only give rewards from the season they were looted

[dusky moon]

So no restored coffer keys round 2

I'm starting our guide @dire badge @coarse nest

[winter shoal]

This is frenzied with enrage > any sd > rest, 98% AJ uptime but I feel like I got a little lucky

[flat river]

guys

sleep or continue watching anime

it's just getting good

[cosmic sundial]

You can’t leave off on it getting good

Keep going till you find a good stopping point

I’m sure it’s soon

[flat river]

there is never one

next filler episode is in 26 episodes

🤔

[cosmic sundial]

Looks like you’ll be sleeping in a little under 13 hours

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

[cosmic sundial]

If you skip intro and ending/episode preview, you can do it in just over 8 hours

[flat river]

i do

im watching black clover

he just like me fr fr

[cosmic sundial]

Get to watching

[coarse nest]

Yoo lets go! Best guide

[dusky moon]

its like 4 paragraphs right now lmao

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WwbpkS28CeZ7_lqqWLdumjZV7_kwJeGEUQ2O4dWenOc/edit?tab=t.0

[flat river]

im on summer break

so im free

i just wish we had content i could play while im free

[glacial roost]

What is the best option for the belt? Mythics

[hushed gust]

my sims said electric current, but charged bolts for prio damage, i think. until next week at least.

[flat river]

check latest #updates-midnight

[lean heart]

this shit lowkey rips..

[flat river]

what is that build

[whole yacht]

Not fury

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/good-cat-good-car-cat-car-mcflurry-gif-9707559671847106697

[mossy pelican]

everybody been saying warriors need a lust or brez, fuck that i say. they should give us a summoning stone. name it "call in reinforcements" and they can fly in on a little helicopter

[lean heart]

i was fucking around on ptr with this

[flat river]

💀

[hushed gust]

well- this just in, water is wet and PUGing keys is a pain. how's everyone else doing tonight?

[flat river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1155808877875564565/1383080865281609879/stares.gif

[lean heart]

i think its the trinket this shit is crazy

[flat river]

it goes hard lowkey

[lean heart]

only use with avatar basically treat it as 90s trinket its consistently at 8-10 stacks

[summer quail]

jugg colossus is disgusting

[lean heart]

8 stacks its like almost 30k str lmao

[summer quail]

how fast do you get stacks?

[lean heart]

fast enough

[flat river]

1 every 10 seconds i think

[lean heart]

i think its gonna depend on sims if robot says we pop w ava then we do that

[compact knot]

i see the vision lowkey

battlelord is 100% a talent you take as colossus

like always

[summer quail]

i think you take 2bb as colossus in st. tier is pretty big

[compact knot]

yeah that too

and unfortunately sks

[summer quail]

yupp

[compact knot]

think its double capstone troar as well

yuck

wonder if you drop haste or the crit for 2x roar capstone

less of a emphasis on execute, so im gonna start by dropping that

also wonder if fatality

hmmm

[summer quail]

definetely not haste. wildstrikes way too good for arms

[young swan]

its like the only good on use for us

[compact knot]

yeah thats what i thought too, wildstrikes is hella rage gen

[olive wraith]

I was messing around with skullsplitter instead

[compact knot]

yeah thats normal

[summer quail]

i think the new halls of atonement trinket might be good. lots of crit 90 sec cd, too bad not testable

[young swan]

feel like 30k strength every 1.5m is just better

[compact knot]

the damage proc is decent too

ngl

op trinket

[young swan]

how much crit does the hoa trinket give

[compact knot]

~14k i think

at champ track its 14k

[summer quail]

and it has mainstat

[compact knot]

wait

[summer quail]

that netherprism is from raid right? if so it would not surprise me if we use Halls trinket until we get it

[compact knot]

that thing is fucking broken

[summer quail]

like idk minimum 14k crit at 681 sounds pretty good to me

[young swan]

thats pretty fuck good

[flat river]

channel 👀

never

[summer quail]

it's 1 sec mate

[flat river]

ITS TOO LONG

[compact knot]

-1 gcd to get 14k crit is big ngl

[flat river]

a big deal yes

[summer quail]

halls of atonement has some cracked gear. big ring and neck as well

[compact knot]

i cant see the full version of that trinket though

er

highest ilvl

only 600 on wowhead

[summer quail]

yeah

[compact knot]

at 600 ilvl its only 6200

so at 723 wouldnt that be like

17-18k?

thats gotta be insane right

[summer quail]

prob

[compact knot]

less for fury but more for arms i think

[summer quail]

for fury in m+ it will be very good, but then again fury won't be good hahah

[compact knot]

also the second part of the green text is about a 23% crit increase

if you hit all targets

broken in m+

[olive wraith]

Do it right before a demolish

Guarantee that 3rd hit crit

[median hound]

So I was looking at the fury warrior guide on wow head and was wondering about Brutal Finish. It says that if I have Brutal Finish buff active I should use raging blow to stack Slaughtering Strikes before I rampage. Do I still do this even if I am capped on rage?

[dire badge]

You are unwell

[olive wraith]

yes, until you run out of rb charges

[median hound]

Ok Sweet Thanks

[flat river]

ok @cosmic sundial i got too tired

i stopped at a good stopping point

arc ended

time to sleep (it's 10:33 am)

[cosmic sundial]

I mean if it’s morning might as well stay up and watch more

[golden hare]

thanks @dire badge 🫡

[lethal drum]

What would be the best way to sim for mythic Gallywix? Any specific fight style that works best or something?

[undone flower]

I did ST 7 min with meatcleave talents, idk if someone have another suggestion

[fading sky]

12 m dungeon slice

Or do u want a good suggestion?🤣

[lethal drum]

Is the good suggestion 13 m dungeon slice?

[fading sky]

No its a horrid one🤣

7m st cleave talents is prob what id sim

[lethal drum]

Thanks both!

[peak lagoon]

the mainstat spymasters trinket is warrior prio

since that shitty stone trinket is the only 1:30 trinket in the entire season

[fading sky]

spymaster like trinket does 100% fuck us:) our cds arent giga enough, but will prob mean a spec like DK will truck with it

esp breath ?

[warm crag]

you must cope

[peak lagoon]

i aint hauling that stupid halls trinket around

that trinket only seems good on aoe

youre losing a lot of vallue if you cant hit a lot of enemies with it

the prism only being agi and str helps warrior a lot for getting it

[slim coral]

Don’t worry guys it’s only the first week

[fading sky]

Ye unless u compete with hunters???

Ah well its gonna fuck in execute phase

[frigid zealot]

[radiant plank]

boo

[frigid zealot]

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-palpatine-laugh-head-back-flying-gif-5220516

[radiant plank]

Good thing battle shout doesnt have CD anymore

you can spam it when this happens

[slim coral]

true battlshout being on cd was a massive issue

[tiny seal]

Battleshout having no cd surely puts warrior into s+

[dusky moon]

thanks @dire badge 🫡

[formal ravine]

I know it's early and probably there will be a lot of tuning but this shit is hilarious

that's over 3 minutes

[sand crest]

ngl when I read the tier set thats about the dmg I expected

theyll probably buff flameshaper when they see this