fury

[clever path]

Mkay, thanks

Last question - I am waiting to download the game and not browsing content on WoWhead to see stuff anew and fresh without spoilers for the gameplay or otherwise , but do tell atleast - Are we pimps in fashion department ?

[plush zephyr]

Warriors have the best mogs 100%

just go to other discord transmog channels and find out for yourself

only other good one is dk

I love hunters but good god their transmog channel

[clever path]

allright scooby gang

thanks

i ll go download the fucking thing

thanks for warm welcome

[fading sky]

Also just tank keys if u dislike queues

Its always faster

[clever path]

I will tank the keys to the bottom if I will ever tank

[fading sky]

Ok, be prepared for queues

[plush zephyr]

Can't be a queue if you run you're own m0, get your own keys and then just run your own groups

[heavy galleon]

Someone have try tier set ?

[flat river]

im about to

but some people did

i dont remember who

Bazed i think

[heavy galleon]

I Hope our tier ser is good

On feeling and numbers

[summer quail]

on st it prob is. feels like it, on aoe it's garbage

[flat river]

only because RB is flat 20%

if it does like BT and per cleave 20%

it would be big

[slim coral]

Slayers is fine mountains Thanes is ass

[flat river]

that too

[slim coral]

Aoe is dead

[flat river]

what is AoE?

[slim coral]

So start looking for another class is you wanna do m+

[flat river]

[slim coral]

This tier set will be Garbo

[summer quail]

even then idk if it's "big" it's bigger forsure but...

[slim coral]

In aoe

[summer quail]

better get used to arms colossus for m+

[flat river]

i want to know the warrior dev's current location

[slim coral]

I’m just gonna play dk

They got cool new toys

[flat river]

no specific reason

[slim coral]

He doesn’t exist

[heavy galleon]

I Hope they change something for our AoE

[flat river]

i like how most classes got reworked

but us

nah pass

[heavy galleon]

And I'm happy if we played slayer I don't like clap, I feel like I'm playing tank 😂

[flat river]

only hamstring buff

we're so back

[dense elbow]

They still didnt make the Reap from RB 20% x5?

[flat river]

nop

[flat river]

then make me warr dev

ffs

[dense elbow]

Hm, they prob just having trouble making it work

next week that will be fixed

[flat river]

[dense elbow]

There is 0% chance they introduce a even worse type of RNG for our AoE dam, right?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight?

[flat river]

odyns fury now has a 0.00001% chance to proc on dmg

no longer an on-use

[dense elbow]

it could be a 100% proc rate, and I would hate it

[flat river]

DH gets a new spec

meanwhile we still dont have shout warrior

ffs

[fleet pasture]

im getting d2 flashbacks

[fast mural]

I can't tell if this dh spec article is bait or if wowhead writers know something we dont

At least for Aug we had a 3rd spec datamied thing

[low folio]

We all know the devs aren’t gonna change the tier set, it’s their theme that fury has a weaker tier set than everyone else

[fast mural]

Fury was the same tierset for slayer as arms

[low folio]

Ok then they might change that because can’t have fury get anything

[fast mural]

Actually kinda based

Let the one button people enjoy fury

[hollow elk]

are we starting the dooming of fury already?

[fast mural]

It never stopped after s1

[hollow elk]

the season 3 dooming i mean

[summer quail]

there are hints for it. entire new questline for a demonhunter trying to tame the void to use its power against them, same dh then gets turned into a boss and the npc thinks she can refine the process

[fast mural]

Fury warriors are traumatized

[summer quail]

so many hints

[low folio]

Dooming is fun

[fast mural]

Sounds like the green fire for warlocks to me

A quest line to unlock a spec?

[hollow elk]

i doubt blizzard is going to make a new class and not announce it months in advance.

[fast mural]

They didn't announce aug

[summer quail]

i would agree if there wasn't a boss where you see the 2 other specs and then there's specifically a 3rd void demon hunter

[fast mural]

We never got to play as a vampire from council of blood either

[summer quail]

i'm not saying that you have to do the questline to unlock a spec. i am saying that there is a questline to explain why the spec might become a thing

and there is a datamined void meta icon

[fast mural]

For midnight sure

I just doubt it happens in S3

[summer quail]

i doubt it happens at the beginning of s3. either in midnight or in 11.2.5

[hollow elk]

hope this karesh map isnt the size of a peapod

[fast mural]

We got to a point where the only new "class " they can add is a new spec cause we only have 20 raidspots and ever class needs to be relevent

So new spec for dh makes sense

I'm just saying I don't see it happening next season

[summer quail]

new spec for dh makes sense anyway. they have been irrelevant lorewise after legion

[fast mural]

It's almost like that entire story arc ended

[hollow elk]

i mean its not like they are needed to be relevant

look at dks

[fast mural]

Look at any class that isn't paladin rn

[hollow elk]

for all purposes dks should all be dead now since there is no lich king right?

[summer quail]

exactly. that is my point, now they can create "void dhs" to make them plot relevant again

[fast mural]

For 1 expac

[low folio]

Speaking of Dh. If they are getting a void spec, will they be stealing shadow priests void form like they did demo locks meta form and forcing priests to change their entire spec

[fast mural]

Shadowpriesrs are used to reworks

[south kayak]

to me it seems like a big glyph to change abilities looks to void

no way it's a new spec

[summer quail]

void is almost relevant in some way. very rare for there to not be something voidy in an expansion

[fast mural]

BFA

[summer quail]

idk, there's so many hints and no datamined glyphs. there is a datamined void meta icon

[low folio]

The next two expansions are centered around void

Aren’t they

[summer quail]

i think the new spec is real

[fast mural]

2?

Only 1 afaik

[south kayak]

I'm not keeping my hopes up tbh

neither should people

[fast mural]

Its gonna be so funny If it's a support spec

People are gonna love it

[south kayak]

expecting a spec and getting something else is always gonna cause bullshit drama lol

how can something voidy be support

I actually have no idea how they're gonna go about that spec

seems completely unique

[fast mural]

Because we need more support specs duh

[south kayak]

If we do get more support specs, it'd be more varied tbh

I do think maybe there should be a support slot

6 player dungeons

maybe that's too much

would mean even more time waited before getting into a group

and there's no guarantee a lot of people are gonna play support

that should only be a thing when there's a lot of supports

[summer quail]

imagine having to wait for a support player to join lmao. i think that would kill the game

[south kayak]

true

[summer quail]

supports don't really fit into WoW anyway imo. aug has been a disaster

[south kayak]

It has

Mutou

have you tested the tier sets

why are there no 1.5m trinkets

[summer quail]

there is 1 in halls of atonement

a new one

[south kayak]

oh okay

not on vendor ig

no way that's better than the 2m trinket lmao

[summer quail]

yeah just on dummies. slayer strong in st, thane might giga garbage and colossus is kinda nice but unsure how strong

[south kayak]

thane trash? sadga

[summer quail]

extremely trash. never procs

[south kayak]

oh so its bugged?

[summer quail]

no don't think so. 35% per blast is just very low

[south kayak]

ok they're gonna buff ig

i ain't playing warrior if it's another shit tier

[summer quail]

and slayer tierset is useless in aoe. literally does nothing

fury gonna be trash in m+ if it stays like this. like worse than live

[flat river]

there are rumors that marksman hunter is getting capped to 8-9 targets

instead of 6

meanwhile fury

[south kayak]

[flat river]

LMAO

[south kayak]

it only procced once

[bitter palm]

thane set needs to get changed icl

[hollow elk]

that 5 mins?

[south kayak]

10 casts of Thane

thunder blast*

[bitter palm]

nah 2p could be like

tblast resets the cooldown of tc

and that would be sick

[summer quail]

it's funny how bad the thane set is

[south kayak]

this shit needs to be Thunder Blast calls down ionizing strike etc

not 35%

100%

surely they're gonna buff it

no way this is intended to be this bad

[flat river]

its fury

always intended to be shit

[vague tapir]

Making it rng is such a weird choice. Make it 100% and tune accordingly please.

[south kayak]

I'm not maining fury anyway

it doesn't matter

just unfortunate

[summer quail]

lmao what are you maining

[flat river]

the day they make fury meta is the day they nerf fury 3 times in 1 week

[south kayak]

Not warrior

[flat river]

[bitter palm]

cant wait for funny

colo pwar

that shit gonna do 9 billion damage

[south kayak]

I am maining evoker right now but Idk if I wanna continue with it next season

not that fun

it's not gonna be warrior unless they fix the aoe for m+

[flat river]

looks like frost mage angle

or ret

[south kayak]

for you?

4p for slayer is trash btw

barely does anything even on aoe

[flat river]

i know

look what they did to my boy

[south kayak]

this shit crazy

[flat river]

i mean fury will be banging in PvP

if they dont nerf tier set to shit in pvp

[bitter palm]

its crazy

this is Ra

RA

[flat river]

i see no bloodbath casts

wtf

[bitter palm]

and AM

[bitter palm]

idk xan sent these

[south kayak]

I think slayer set might actually be broken

look at this giga execute lmao

4 mins and I kept up 3m dps on a dummy

[bitter palm]

think thats intended

finally execute dealing damage

[south kayak]

I know that's the intention

I'm just saying it might overtuned

[remote bobcat]

box have u seen other specs?

[bitter palm]

keep us overtuned who gives a shit

we always get slapped 2 days before patch comes out

then we just fall off

[south kayak]

no, you're right

[bitter palm]

(everyone gets buffed)

[south kayak]

looks like a big tier for tiers

except thane

[remote bobcat]

Whats spriest pure st rn?

[south kayak]

that shit's cooked

[remote bobcat]

clueless~1

[frosty scroll]

a friend of mine is saying fury got cucked, am I just blind, I aint seeing no nerfs to our spec

[south kayak]

why are we worrying about tuning

they've proved they can balance fairly well for raid

that's not something i care about

[remote bobcat]

mate

you started saying overtuned

[south kayak]

you're right

my bad

[remote bobcat]

[south kayak]

lmao

got disarmed

I am gonna try fdk

spriest too i guess

[remote bobcat]

box are u enjoying s2 up til now?

[south kayak]

I did enjoy it

actually my favorite tier sincei started playing the game

ngl

[orchid dagger]

Your class is just perennially dogshit

[south kayak]

stopped 2 weeks ago tho

[remote bobcat]

no more aspirations this season?

[south kayak]

Not really

[frosty scroll]

im aware but no changes to fury besides the whole gcd changes and whatever else, right?

[south kayak]

We stopped after we killed sprocket

and Im focusing a bit more on my irl

[orchid dagger]

At the moment no

[south kayak]

OH SHIT

no more pressing remorseless winter

[dusty seal]

What do u think about Mountain thane tier set ?

Can this end up in chaining thunderblast

[south kayak]

it's trash rn

barely procs

[dusty seal]

Yeah 35% and then 20%

[south kayak]

wouldn't worry about it rn, they're going to buff it if it's underperforming

Especially with how insane the tier sets are for S3

[dusty seal]

Although its 20% for each ionizing strikes ? So 5 times

[south kayak]

The main issue is proccing the ionizing strikes

[dusty seal]

But yeah compares to the colossus set its no match

[south kayak]

or slayer

it's an anomaly compared to many tiers from classes

[dusty seal]

Indeed

[south kayak]

At least the slayer set is very strong for single target

or 5 target, idk

both

what I don't understand is how none of the testers or devs didn't realize how trash the thane set was before it came out on PTR

did they even test it out?

[dusty seal]

I like being behind every other classes in 5 target fight when i'm hardcap at 5 so i wont complain

[bitter palm]

been that way since they capped us

[south kayak]

I can't get my head around this

[bitter palm]

not saying it should stay that way just saying thats how its been

we should be absolute kings at 5t

uncontested

[south kayak]

^

Please buff the Thane set

I am afraid we're going into another tier with a 3% dps tier

[dusty seal]

You are hurting yourself

[south kayak]

Surely archi tested the set and saw that it was horrible in terms of dps

[dusty seal]

We're fine in raid and at the bottom in m+ that can Hardly be worse

[south kayak]

I have said plenty of times I'm not gonna play fury if they don't do something about the aoe in M+

[bitter palm]

[south kayak]

but warrior is my main at heart and I'll always want to play it the most

unfortuate

Not warrior, fury warrior specifically

[dusty seal]

Yeah maybe i shouldnt say things like this

[south kayak]

bro about to jinx us

[dusty seal]

We can be at the bottom in both lol

[south kayak]

bottom in raid and m+

[thick fossil]

[south kayak]

Thane being shit is the final straw

[dusty seal]

Thats the motto i live by

[south kayak]

I was thinking of maybe maining a healer next season

[thick fossil]

Thane set being a complete nonfactor is not a surprise.

Maybe I go back to the class I started WoW as. A priest.

[plush zephyr]

I'm tanking next season

lol

[dusty seal]

So u dont have to wait 30min to get invited lolololol

[south kayak]

Yeah perhaps

I've done a few 10s on my evoker as healer

and it went fine but I'm obviously not that experieced with it as I am with dps

[dusty seal]

Forgot evoker had a healer spec ngl

Didnt see one in tww

[south kayak]

It hasn't really been meta

and people play deva more

[remote bobcat]

im curious if we're gonna play ashen jugg next season

we will have infinite MFE procs

so execute has near perma +45% crit chance

[bitter palm]

yes

why not have 100% crit chance on execute

[remote bobcat]

I mean it get it, i really do

but at the same time i feel we might go VC

unironically

and as shitty as it is

[radiant plank]

u aint pressing BT

next season

[remote bobcat]

only as filler, ik

btw do we know yet which talents we're gonna drop for improved whirlwind?

[radiant plank]

no clue

same as before or smth according to those lines

[remote bobcat]

i assume gushing

gushing seems ass

[bitter palm]

nah

oh for aoe

[remote bobcat]

yea

[hardy cargo]

is vt already out of the equation? I dunno if we are talking about a new talent build cooked on ptr

er vc?

[remote bobcat]

assuming they fix raging blow reap mechanic to be like BT

[hardy cargo]

purple face

[remote bobcat]

VC is pretty shit

cause everything revolves around rb and exe

[hardy cargo]

yes

[remote bobcat]

you get infinite MFE procs

[bitter palm]

rb is just so powerful

and it procs reap the storm now

unlucky

[hardy cargo]

I was answering this

[remote bobcat]

oh

right right

[fading sky]

Rbrbrbrbrrbrb 1 bt rbrbrbrbbr

[remote bobcat]

u forgor exe

[hardy cargo]

so you prolly just drop everything but bloodcraze on the left side of the tree

[fading sky]

Play ra get bigger rb?

[hardy cargo]

cshb too

[remote bobcat]

xan tested my cook on RA with powerful enrage

[fading sky]

Did it cook?

[remote bobcat]

and it performed surprisingly close to powerful enrage AM

[fading sky]

Isnt haste better

For raid

[remote bobcat]

no

powerful gives longer enrage

anyway

[fading sky]

Since when

[hardy cargo]

thats how it always been

1 extra sec

[fading sky]

Is it better

[remote bobcat]

RA was 3.23mil
AM was 3.28mil

both powerful

AM with frenzied was 3.24

mil

over 20mins

[fading sky]

Weird frenzied has been the play so far

[remote bobcat]

we werent sure how the opener should be and we also werent sure how we should prio execute during crushing blow window

but yea

[fading sky]

What changed?

[remote bobcat]

yea cuz we play deft while clicking bt

so we have long enrages

[fading sky]

Ah

Y so rb + ramp isnt enough with frenzied

I c

[remote bobcat]

and powerful is good cuz exe is near 100% crit and its our strongest global with 3x MFE

exe crits for 5mil

[fading sky]

3.24 seems very low

[remote bobcat]

or smth

[fading sky]

Is that no raid buffs?

[remote bobcat]

bro its dummy testing

[fading sky]

Ah

Kek

[remote bobcat]

but over 20mins

[fading sky]

Y but if ra = am

Ra will be better

On any fight with downtime

Potentially

[remote bobcat]

its more like this

if timings are 90sec

RA good

[bitter palm]

waiting for mr robot

[remote bobcat]

if timings are less than 90 sec or more than 90 sec

AM good

also sim will be the answer

[south kayak]

Idk how devs are so clueless that they're making RB even stronger than it was instead of fixing the issue

ICANT

[quiet breach]

so with new tier set next patch will fury have a strong execute phase ?

[south kayak]

Not really because you're getting SD procs out the wazoo

[remote bobcat]

no the execute phase will be even less visible than it is now

[south kayak]

It's not execute itself that's strong

it's SD

[remote bobcat]

^

[south kayak]

YEP

[bitter palm]

fury is never gonna have a strong execute phase

cause that's arms

[remote bobcat]

right now we have vicious contempt giving as an "execute phase" but not rly. next season we most likely wont play vc so theres nothing to think about

massacre seems fake still

we just play normal rotation from 100 to 0

[red berry]

we still dont know if theyre gonna touch up the 4set for slayer to make the procrate not ass

[south kayak]

They should just make it work for bt even more

[red berry]

it will be very strong if they do

[south kayak]

20% BT damage and Reap the storm procs more from BT

fuck this Raging Blow bullshit

[red berry]

i dont mind. whatever hits harder.

[bitter palm]

i think as long as arms fills the role of execute fury will be the standard go to on st (if tuned correctly obv)

dont need exe = fury

[remote bobcat]

yea

agreed

[bitter palm]

need exe = arm

and thats fine imo

[south kayak]

why aren't people freaking about set favoring RB

[remote bobcat]

tbf im gonna juggmaxx the shit out of arms if its viable next season

imagine having 33% more SD procs

as arms

ooooooo yeaaa

[bitter palm]

same

exe hits so fucking hard

[hardy cargo]

chilling at max rage as arms all fight

[south kayak]

Did anyone make a feedback post

[remote bobcat]

yea

i cant wait

also opportunist procs bro

holy shit

[south kayak]

About the power of RB for the set?

[remote bobcat]

so dummy

[bitter palm]

colo ms with 2x ep is also diabolical

[south kayak]

I understand the logic

[remote bobcat]

yea i heard

does colo play massacre in ST?

i assume so right?

[bitter palm]

ye

[south kayak]

We barely use BT as is, why are they making it even worse lol

I am losing it

[bitter palm]

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need to critmaxx

[south kayak]

is that MS

[bitter palm]

as colo next season

yes

[south kayak]

giga

[bitter palm]

demo is insane

[south kayak]

We need someone to make a feedback on the forums

no one does anything

and we get tier sets like this

[south kayak]

use spear

[bitter palm]

i dont mind slayer being rb execute as long as thane is bt

[remote bobcat]

holy

fuck

[bitter palm]

but thane set just sucks

[remote bobcat]

gamba

[bitter palm]

gotta crit

critmaxxing time

nah but imagine 2t demo fully stacked ms

both guaranteed to crit

hoooooly

[remote bobcat]

btw

do u know the opener yet?

for colo?

[bitter palm]

idk i just charge roar rend ava cs ms stack for demo then send

[south kayak]

do you wanna get stacks before going into the rotation lol

[remote bobcat]

roar over spear?

nah ur cooked

run spear bro

its the sauce

[south kayak]

the icon of the 4p buff is bloodbath

[bitter palm]

idk if spear is worth ngl

[south kayak]

roar is absolute donkey

[bitter palm]

roar with sks and bleeds

[south kayak]

bro look at it's damage

it's horrendous

[hardy cargo]

p sure u build stacks until wb is about to end/u can get full demolish still in cs

[remote bobcat]

crit dmg node from spear HAS to be better than bleed node from roar no?

[bitter palm]

ye its buffing ur bleeds

idk need sims

[south kayak]

oh right

i forgot about that lol

but the guaranteed MS crits

hitting inside spear

tho

[hardy cargo]

doiesnt it only buff then while its active now tho

[south kayak]

yeah trye

true

[fading sky]

100% crit with spear

Hmm

[remote bobcat]

like thats my thinking

[south kayak]

hmm

[remote bobcat]

it has to be spear

[bitter palm]

need to optimize around that and no way to know until sims

[remote bobcat]

to crit MS for 15mil

[fading sky]

Hmm rav

Spear

And spam

[bitter palm]

forgot rav in the opener

i always forget it

[south kayak]

bro forgot rav exissts

[remote bobcat]

does rav unhinged consume demolish crits?

[bitter palm]

it should

idk

maybe not cause its unhinged casts

but unhinged consumes ep and mp

so idk

[remote bobcat]

unhinged is always fucky

unhinged with sweeping mechanics

lol

[bitter palm]

if it does they gotta make it cleave

cause that's just troll sometimes

just annoying to play around

[remote bobcat]

agreed

[bitter palm]

imagine the cm generation

hoooly

[fading sky]

So they gotta take back

Nerf

[remote bobcat]

+4 +4 +4 +4 +4 +4 +4

[bitter palm]

send demolish

10 seconds later

its back

[fading sky]

Loop mastery in m+

[oak peak]

So do we think fury has any chance next tier of catching up to arms in M+? I know its too far away to tell…but thinking about how the tier bonuses will help

[limber oar]

The colossus tier bonus is way better than the thane one so atm the answer to your question is no

The thane tier set needs to get buffed significantly to make up the gap, in my humble opinion

[south kayak]

That's not an opinion

it's a fact

[marble pilot]

We haven't even seen warrior changes yet. Can't really say.

[limber oar]

Well uh kind of

[bitter palm]

too early

[modern ingot]

There will be warrior changes….nerf every ability week 1 cause it will be good on 1 boss in raid.

[bitter palm]

but furys 5t cap makes it unlikely

[limber oar]

They adjusted a useless talent and kept it useless and bug fixed seismic reverberation so Thane is even weaker in keys on ptr

[bitter palm]

good

fix bugs

then buff the ability

[marble pilot]

Saw a video where the guy was talking about some interview with a dev during a net ease DPS competition.
And the warrior section there the dev said they are away of the warrior lack of utility and are looking to address it. Mentioned target caps and something for utility.

[limber oar]

It was already buffed LOL

[bitter palm]

it was buffed to compensate for the fix yes

just buffing tblast wont fix the spec

u cant compete on 12 targets

when u are 5t capped

[limber oar]

Hey im with you brother

[bitter palm]

even if tblast was uncapped completely

u still wouldnt compete

we need 5t->8t

or make us broken on 5t

[limber oar]

Either make MT fury a funnel spec like arcane mage to have a role and arms can be the moreso uncapped version of warrior or lift some target caps and adjust dmg

[marble pilot]

Other ways to fix it but yeah higher cap is the easiest.
Still the dev mentioned utility. Didn't say what it was but did say even if we match other DPS in damage they still get chosen cause of utility and they want to address it. Didn't say how

[bitter palm]

we mainly lack unique utility

u want a pally for bubble sac bop

loh

etc

what does warrior bring

10% hp

[limber oar]

Consolidate/free up talent points and adjust utility talents to be more useful

[bitter palm]

mass spell reflect, DR banner, stronger rally, safeguard

something

[heavy galleon]

I dont know what they are still capping abilities.
Just make m+ harder for don't doing giga pack

It's so dumb reflexion.
"I dont want player have fun so I'll cap target spells"

Game was so better without that shit

At least just make damage reduction but not hard cap target

[bitter palm]

hard caps are fine when u actually excel at them

but 5t is way too low for modern wow

[bitter palm]

like outlaw

or enha

issue is that 8t spec (outlaw) beats fury at 5t

issue is that uncapped specs beat fury at 5t

[coarse nest]

Outlaw cranks with cap yeah

[echo rapids]

Fury 5t isn’t even that great

[bitter palm]

and if fury is too strong at 5t then some time in the raid there will be a 5t boss and fury will be busted and gutted (11.0 type shi)

just make fury 8t

like the rest

[bitter palm]

read

never said it was

its bad if anything

[echo rapids]

Yeah

Issue is that this season is seen as a success and the mega pulls are part of that - they arnt going away

[bitter palm]

ofc

people enjoy big pulls

for obvious reasons

a lot of damage

and fury loses to pwar in those pulls

[echo rapids]

There has to be a big normalization on aoe caps and power if this is the new m+ design philosophy

[hollow juniper]

You guys think next season will be better for us with tier set bonuses

[bitter palm]

slayer tierset is very good on st

thane is bad

colossus is very good

[hollow juniper]

How hard ionizing strikes hit do you know it

[bitter palm]

no but its bad

[modest condor]

https://puu.sh/KvD5W/14cbd656e2.png

and that's while prioritising bloodthirst over raging blow

[marble pilot]

I think it's meant to be used for resets more than DPS. But the numbers are too low for both.

[hollow juniper]

Meh

Ty

Im currently using bthirst over raging blow

[modest condor]

i dont think a whole 2set is ment to do less than 1% dps

[marble pilot]

I said the numbers were too low on both

[hollow juniper]

Actualy i just press which is shining but bthirst satisfies me more

[bitter palm]

HOOOOOOOOOOLY

[marble pilot]

But the point of 2 set is to be the proc for the 4 set. Easy to change proc rates or numbers. The function is more important right now

[bitter palm]

ye its shit either way

boring + 0 damage

[hollow juniper]

So slayer owns?

[marble pilot]

Ok if the number is changed and it's 10% damage is it boring +10 or is it fine now? Personally I like the idea of getting more tblast procs.

[modest condor]

slayer 2set is really cool

4set is an odd choice

[lost vigil]

Wish we could get colossus

[modest condor]

no thanks

[marble pilot]

No thank you

[bitter palm]

if it had some bt interactions

real interactions

[marble pilot]

I don't wanna sit still and cast something as melee

[bitter palm]

they couldve baked like tblast makes ur next bt s3 df

or something

[marble pilot]

Yeah that's fair

[bitter palm]

something real

[echo rapids]

There is nothing stopping them now from being super specific with their set bonus

[bitter palm]

not this

yeah i mean they will change it 100%

its too early

[marble pilot]

2 set is boring. But I like that it can scale the proc rate up in AOE. Just gotta make it actually proc.
And it is an easy tuning lever. Just increase or decrease the damage it does per proc

[modest condor]

which 2set?

neither of the fury ones scale with aoe

[marble pilot]

Thane hitting more targets is more procs is it not?

[modest condor]

no

[marble pilot]

I must have read it wrong then. I thought it did lightning per target. Not the same amount spread among the targets

[modest condor]

it's just always 5 strikes

[marble pilot]

Less good then. Still early on. I'm not too worried yet

Still haven't seen changes at all for fury. And that interview said there were season three changes coming to address both AOE and utility

[frozen cosmos]

Do you have a link for this?

[marble pilot]

I'll look for it. It was the interview during the net ease DPS competition thing

What I listened to was a YouTuber breaking it down not the actual interview. And it was podcast style for me so I could have miss heard cause I was driving

[frozen cosmos]

Well hopefully they do address lack of utility and target cap

[marble pilot]

https://youtu.be/OZJNF2RoF3w?si=gsr7oxoFzucgPbZX

[frozen cosmos]

I'm by no means a bad player and get rejected from keys because we "aren't meta"

[marble pilot]

9 30 ish in the video sorry on Mobile harder to edit

[frozen cosmos]

Thank you

[bitter palm]

holy izen

[marble pilot]

I don't know who it is. Just put on a random video to listen to at a red light. And it was about an interview I never heard of so I stuck to it.
Is he a good guy or nah?

[echo rapids]

He seems ok? Does a lot of videos on m+ Meta

[marble pilot]

Good enough for me. I don't pay attention to YouTuber drama mostly just pick something that sounds interesting or that I haven't heard of. If it sucks or sounds ai hit next.

[frozen cosmos]

So the dev acknowledged lack of utility but the target cap was just the guy speculating

[modest condor]

it's been a while so idk what he's like right now but he has made some spec guides in the past that were definitely not accurate

[marble pilot]

Better than nothing. I at least am confident warrior changes are coming for s3. They good be great or horrible. And at least one of those changes is utility based

[frozen cosmos]

Hopefully, if they dont increase the cap we need something to make cleave easier

Maybe tie a ww proc to a rotation ability or something

[marble pilot]

I'm leaning towards liking the funnel idea. I know it isn't as popular though.
Something like every target hit by improved ww cleave attacks does X% more to the primary target.

[frozen cosmos]

A tallent that makes improved ww give cleave on bt or something

The fact that we have to manually apply cleave every 4 hits in big aoe feels really bad

[marble pilot]

That makes boss small adds not be total pad cause it funnels to the boss. And in m+we just sit on the scary prio mob and burst it down.

But I mostly just hear target cap. Which may be more fun.

[frozen cosmos]

Agreed

[sand crest]

I've mentioned it before and im not ashamed to cook again, all we need is for unhinged to proc odyns every other tic instead of bt

aoe fixed

[marble pilot]

Could also do something like Arms is funnel and Fury is higher target cap. Or the reverse

[sand crest]

also a close to inconsequential change in st

[remote bobcat]

not odyns, just reap

[frozen cosmos]

Arms make more sense for funnel imo

[remote bobcat]

guaranteed reap is plenty

but its not guaranteed

adds spawn on m gally -> bladestorm -> every unhinged proc reaps

adds spawn on m gally -> bladestorm -> 0 to 1 reap procs

[sand crest]

mmh you'd need for it to proc tblast when talented as thane then

I kinda like it

[remote bobcat]

nah u can just adjust the tooltip of reap the storm in slayer tree

"unhinged casted bloodthirsts now always cause reap of the storm"

shrug

[marble pilot]

I think I agree. Bladestorm and tblast feel more uncapped aoe to me than demolish or cleave do.

Though I guess arms can bladestorm as well. I dont pay attention to arms much lol.

[frozen cosmos]

Well even thematically with ww being a big crazy storm of steel it only allowing for such small cleave feels odd

[marble pilot]

Choice node improved WW. One raises target cap to 8. Other keeps it at 5 but makes X% of the damage to non primary target go into the primary instead.

[frozen cosmos]

👀

[marble pilot]

Overthinking it though. I bet we either get raised to 8 targets. Or they make the cooldowns better but dont do anything to normal cleave.

[frozen cosmos]

Well I hope we get something decent, I remember rumors that reap and bs would get a 30% dam buff

And we got 120% on ww

[marble pilot]

Yeah they could be so offbase that the changes do basically nothing and we all cry over here. But still play fury anyway

[upbeat blade]

am I mistaken or is the mountain thane set complete and utter ass right now

[winter shoal]

It is very bad

Damage very stinky

Imo it would be better with a higher proc chance (and/or triggering off something like rampage instead of blast) and having the proc reset the blast cd like ava does

It's really easy to overcap during ava+rav currently which feels bad bc you can only blast every 3rd or 4th gcd, and then it's damage is also still beans even with a lot of procs

[pliant summit]

is it slayer time yall???? 😮‍💨 🚬

[winter shoal]

Slayer pipes insane on ptr

I had 2sd > 2sd > ramp > 2d last night and that's unrivaled dopamine to the noggin

[pliant summit]

the world is healing slayer on top <3

[gleaming siren]

Honestly

Just from rrading the sets

I expect insane Arms blasting

[remote bobcat]

JUGG

[pliant summit]

BOOOOOOO tomato tomato

had enough of this arms propaganda

[plush zephyr]

Blizzard loves Arms confirmed

[remote bobcat]

theres no propaganda arms feels good to play

[gleaming siren]

Getting 50% (idealistic, realistically more like 40-45%) more SD procs is quite nice and alleviates some of the issues Jugg juggling has

[frozen cosmos]

Is execute doing more now?

Damage wise?

[winter shoal]

As fury or arms

As fury, exe doesn't really do more dam, but it does proc a slayers strike with the 11.2 tier set, which does good dam and also gives more bs cdr

[frozen cosmos]

Fury

[gleaming siren]

Tier has 20% no

[frozen cosmos]

Okay so assume more prio in rotation

[winter shoal]

So using SD (at least your 2nd stack) becomes very important bc it does big fuk dam and also proc more exe and more MFE and more bs

[frozen cosmos]

20% was for RB

[winter shoal]

20% of dogshit is still 1.2 dogshits

The important bit is the slayers strike

[limber oar]

Thats on the 4set

[gleaming siren]

Exe DPET wasn't that bad with 5 Ashen Jugg stucks honestly

[limber oar]

Execute has 20% inc dmg on 2set

[frozen cosmos]

Ouu

Hype

[gleaming siren]

It's still far behind the likes of RB mind you

Just because RB has so many effects stacked

[winter shoal]

Yeah xan was cooking some crit stacking spear shit that seems unironically good bc exe 95% crit chance xdd

[gleaming siren]

Hmm

[winter shoal]

But slayers strike doesn't inherit the AJ crit so idk

I'm at work rn but I'm p sure he shared his testing last night ~12hr ago

Can also check his twitch vod

[gleaming siren]

Hmm idk

[limber oar]

I mean it shouldnt really change the rota outside of executing more cause youre getting more MFE stacks

[winter shoal]

You absolutely prio 2sd immediately now instead of 2sd with 7s remaining or whatever

1sd I'm not sure

[limber oar]

Ya for sure cause you dont wanna overcap

[winter shoal]

Once tier sets are added to simc we'll know more

[gleaming siren]

I sent 2SD immediately anyway nothing changes for me

[winter shoal]

Crazy work

Bro got the 40% AJ uptime or

[gleaming siren]

I simmed the diff at some point

It was nonexistent

[limber oar]

AJ is kind of fake ngl

[gleaming siren]

Nah sending double SD stacks was almost not noticable for uptime when I checned

[gleaming siren]

That is fake news

[limber oar]

🤷‍♂️

Execute for fury is just not strong outside of MFE procs

Like you should try to keep it up if possible but if you dont its not the end of the world unlike arms where if you drop 15 stacks of jugg before execute phase you actually dont deal dmg

[south kayak]

It will be giga strong on SD next season

#1 prio most likely

[coarse nest]

I’m all for it

I want to just slam Sudden death procs asap

[young swan]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-plankton-gif-14118231

[south kayak]

bro xan

thane set is absolutely donkey

[sour elbow]

like... its an onion? and it's got layers?

[modest condor]

no that's ogres

[young swan]

https://fxtwitter.com/snupytv/status/1936083831825608724?t=folCA6dODXS-H3jeHo54vw&s=19 @sullen dove

Snupy (@snupytv)

A closer look at the unbound star-eater, might be time to start raiding

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never talk shit about my goat ever again

[young swan]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-plankton-gif-14118231

[south kayak]

Think they should make it always call down the ionizing strikes and even buff them further

that's how bad I feel it is

[ancient basin]

fellow zugzug, tell me what to think

no bren

only zug

[modest condor]

they could make ionizing strike a stronger lightning strike or something

like when you proc a lightning strike you have a 35% chance that it becomes an ionizing strike instead

and then ionizing strikes have a guaranteed effect on thunderblast

altho that would still be a mostly passive effect depending on what that effect is

[wintry kestrel]

zugzug its the way

[slim coral]

Think bad

[lean heart]

hear me out what if they change the slayer 4p into: RB has 2% chance per stack of Overwhelmed on target to cast an Empowered BT making target bleed for X second, using Execute on targets with this bleed increases Execute crit dmg by X% stacking X seconds

[modest condor]

that sounds cool but also too convoluted for a tierset

[lean heart]

hmm

i really dig the crit dmg on execute i think they should do that tho

[fickle cedar]

is execute actually good now ?

[modest condor]

base execute probably still not worth pressing except to maintain aj but sd is insane

[covert blaze]

based reze enjoyer

[lean heart]

🤝

[tepid cedar]

Damn prot losing SB is wild

[lean heart]

wilder that they think the 4% to negate all magic dmg talent is gonna be enough to make up for it too lmao

"ah guys my 4% didnt proc gg we wipe"

[tepid cedar]

I can’t check ptr was there a wowhead post with the changes?

Lord I can only imagine what they are going to do with fury

[dense elbow]

What if (4) simply is: Bladestorm does 150% more damage

[upbeat blade]

that would get my stamp of approval if arms bladestorm functioned the same as fury's

[dense elbow]

Arms gonna play Col either wy

so just let fury have this

plz

[coarse nest]

I had high hopes about class changes until I read that they removed spell block on Prot

Back to dooming

[winter shoal]

Make this reset TB cd and I'm sold

[dense elbow]

Dont doom, spell breaker is opop, 4% of the time

[tepid cedar]

Dude right

[dense elbow]

[tepid cedar]

Hopefuly they surprise us

But then again they will surprise us. We will all be happy

Then day of release. We reduced all ability damage by 45% for fury

[dense elbow]

That went from hopeful to they will, real fast

[quiet breach]

last I checked fury has no changes, but that was yesterday

[south kayak]

They should just change the slayer 4p from Rb to BT

[coarse nest]

Make sure you check every 30 seconds

You never know

[tepid cedar]

Not yet. But hoping we have something

[quiet breach]

apparently warlock discord is crashing out over their changes

what did they do

[whole yacht]

interesting. now i wanna know

[coarse nest]

Wahh sandbag sims to avoid nerfs wahh

Sorry hard to hear them

[tepid cedar]

I said it yesterday. 2p is fucking dope.

4p should literally be and improvement on 2p

Rampage increased sd and execute damage by 2%. Stacks 5 or 10x

[dense elbow]

I think the (4) is meant to help our uncapped AoE a bit. Once the 20% is even the meatcleaved RBs, it will make sense

[south kayak]

what if rampage procs Reap

[dense elbow]

Rampage aint RB, and we will be casting less RB, and we gotta press RB

[tepid cedar]

That would also clear up 2 points in vicious contempt allowing us to place it else where ( OF )

[south kayak]

yeah but the issues is we're rarely pressing BT as is

[olive wraith]

We won’t be taking VC

For slayer

[quiet breach]

speaking of vicious contempt is it possible to sim vicious contempt vs non-viscious contempt talent trees? does the sim boss have % health?

[tepid cedar]

Good fuck that class. Shit has been OP since as long as I remember lol

There are some classes that god forbid are bad. Ever. lol

[quiet breach]

monks were op for RWF and sacrificed being good for the rest of the tier

well actually... now I'm remembering they were op for awhile

[summer quail]

Theyre still good. Just not OP

[quiet breach]

yeah I'm thinking more m+ ig

but were monks even good in m+ during rwf

even when they were insane in raid?

[summer quail]

Nahh

[restive pine]

man anyone else having dps drop with this new belt ? For some reason my sim is fucked.

[quiet breach]

did u have an embellishment on crafted belt before?

[restive pine]

yea

[quiet breach]

that's why

put that embellishment on another crafted piece

then use belt

[restive pine]

i dunno, i did that. It gives me haste proc the best option, i used to pull 7-9m on pull now i do like 5mil

as an example

following full sim

[quiet breach]

uh

I'm not following

your sim with new belt and both embellishments will always be higher than with crafted belt

link sim

[restive pine]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tHRMYWGZgUYrvx5GFtWhpj

[coarse nest]

I think you need to fix your sim settings

[quiet breach]

ew neck embellishment

[restive pine]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5mBAeeaUaggiaNGZrKbt6x

i removed it and put asc emb on 2h weap

i just put battle shout buff

since pugging m+

[quiet breach]

surely crafted 2h is better than heroic Best in slots? @restive pine

or maybe its like equal

idk

[restive pine]

with emb yes

i will show u

[quiet breach]

so why not use?

[restive pine]

i did many times bud, i have resil key 17s so its worse

am so confused

siming now with best in slot,

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8KRrhfnkuJEpPnSwU6awV5

thats now

[echo rapids]

They made the imp cap for tyrant 5 lol

Because I guess it was too hard for bad players to get 3x sets in for tyrant

Think they just nerfed the tier sets too

[coarse nest]

It might be an unpopular opinion, however I don’t really mind them “dumbing down” some things so a larger amount of people can reach the theoretical skill ceiling

[fading sky]

So vc gone and we play 2% mastery thingy

For longrr enrage

So we can rb 1 more time

Love it

[summer quail]

no such thing. the mast adds duration when pressing bt

[fading sky]

1 button rotation automaticly

[fading sky]

Crappo

[hardy cargo]

we might dump both of those

[young swan]

u drop vc for crit thinky

[fading sky]

Well finallu

[echo rapids]

I don’t think it’s that unpopular, honestly if they are gonna nerf weak auras then more people are gonna be at like their cognitive max trying to do complex encounters plus complex rotations

[fading sky]

They double down on rb!!

I mean current fury without weakaura

Would be somewhat shitshow

[hardy cargo]

thats kinda every class

[echo rapids]

It would just be less efficient

[hardy cargo]

dont think I can imagine playing anything in retail rn without weakauras

[echo rapids]

Like the execute conditions weak auras

[coarse nest]

I’d like to see all specs in the game be optimally playable without a Weakaura pack

I’d rather more of the challenge come from the encounters themselves

Kinda seems like that’s the direction ion wants to head

Definitely should not be classic levels of gameplay though

Obviously that’s rather boring

[hardy cargo]

2004 classic or

like cata

[coarse nest]

Classic

Vanilla

[safe cradle]

Hey so I see ppl using double earthen rings

How

Aren’t they dupes?

[summer quail]

they are not unique rings

[safe cradle]

Mmm solid, so I can use two haste mast or do they have to have diff stats

[craggy escarp]

Whatever the robot tells you

[summer quail]

you can use whatever stats you like

[safe cradle]

Fire thanks

[strange gulch]

I have that issue aswell. I don't know what to do.

[whole yacht]

hm

[dense elbow]

If sims seem weird, just link em in here and go "X is better than Y, told you!" and someone will answer in less than 10sec "Moron, B and A was set wrong in options".

[ancient basin]

okay me think bad zugzug

[strange gulch]

I am not talking about sims rn, just about "feeling" ingame and how it feels to play. I had same gear last week. I switched from 684 myth waist to new Delve one and it doesn't feel the same.

[dense elbow]

Well, you will likely feel worse, as you lose some haste. That actually impacts your gameplay feel, for a static zapzap effect. DPS prob went up tho.

If I get that feeling, I simply just compare logs

99% of the time, I gained DPS, I just feel like shit. Cause Fury is shit.

[strange gulch]

To correct my message my old 684 waist was with crit and versa, so zero haste lose.
For example I was pulling around 17-18mil. DPS in Cinderbrew +16 and right know I can't go higher than 10mil.

[dense elbow]

You play slayer?

[strange gulch]

No.

[whole yacht]

that is 100% due to your own head effecting your gameplay. i promise you did not lose 7-8m dps from changing belt.

[dense elbow]

Then it aint reap RNG, but some other external effect

[summer quail]

you think 1 piece of gear is a 7-8m difference? holy moly

[sullen dove]

effects p cool like that tho idk the body of it still does just look very 1 color

[dense elbow]

Cwa, I get your feel. But dont worry, the belt didnt do nothing like htat

it is just RNG, worse/better play and tank diff

[strange gulch]

I didnt say i think that one piece did that. I know what I saw in dungeon last night.

[dense elbow]

I can do anything from 9m to 22m based solely on RNG from reap. So I wouldnt sweat anything on a pull to pull basis (even if it is the same pull)

[summer quail]

ye fair

[dense elbow]

Just how the game works, with its myriad of procs and effects

[sullen dove]

def no chance reap rng can push it to do over double the damage of your otherwise normal damage

9-22m range is omega dentge

[dense elbow]

You underestimate the power of reap on mass AoE

If they fix the RB reap% proc chance to be per target for the new set, dam will be great

playstyle gonna suck tho

[pulsar nest]

they should change reap so the proc rate scale with each target hit (5 target cleaved with BT = 100% // 4 target = 80% // 3 targets = 60% // 1 target = 20% ) this way it will not impact raid ST performance ... but blizzard knows better than us Fury is in a GOOD spot whoever says otherwise does not play the game

[sullen dove]

I mean it’s 67% normally on bt when it hits 5 targets

If they did that for rb that’d be more than fine since u hit rb literally twice a second

[dense elbow]

Goal for the (4) seem to be to give us mass AoE tho

so they better make it work

[summer quail]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-really-it-is-what-it-is-gif-17151262948504601369

[dense elbow]

if we gonna play a gameplay style that feels like shit, at least make it do numbers

[dense elbow]

equal to ret, not 10% behind at least

[sullen dove]

but also just reading wise the fact that it specifies “on overwhelmed targets” which is the debuff that comes off BS, reap and consuming MFE with execute would assume that it’s some level of skill if you keep those up by meat cleavering execute it’d keep it up on mobs

[summer quail]

damage will be better if they fix it. i doubt it's gonna be anything special

[sullen dove]

like you enter a pack, bladestorm, now all mobs have like 6-7 stacks so your rb hitting those mobs is higher chance to proc a reap and keep the stacks up

[dense elbow]

I am talking within the box world of Fury Warrior

not the real boys

[sullen dove]

Think that would make sense that the rb reap cleave is based off actual stacks on mobs which sorta encourages playing good and keeping your rotation going

[summer quail]

ah ye maybe lmao. maybe it will be better than this season

[sullen dove]

but if it is just flat 20% on the 1 target regardless of overwhelmed stacks on surrounding targets then yea kinda sucks

[dense elbow]

It cant get much worse

so hey

[sullen dove]

But again u hit rb so much more

[dense elbow]

we got that going for us

[sullen dove]

so naturally ur just gonna get like twice as many reaps already

[dense elbow]

Yep, 1t 20% chance wont work for the intended effect

They gotta do the cleaved effect, or it falls flat

Until we get another:

• RB +50% dam, buff again

[hushed gust]

Well, 2/4 main rotation buttons having a chance to do a reap isn’t bad, at least.

Those chances could be higher, but we likely press those 2 buttons more than Rampage, so the frequency still has to be taken into account as well.

[dense elbow]

Hey, with god RNG, even the 20% can go ham

love that

[thick fossil]

Hmmm rng.....

https://tenor.com/view/mmmm-monkey-monkey-ug-master-oogway-oogway-gif-19727561

[hardy cypress]

Can we spell reflect The Recycler? It is fire damage

[winter shoal]

Is that the mythic Stix thing? If so, no

[hardy cypress]

Yeah it is

Darn

[winter shoal]

You can SR the overcharged pylon though

It stops accumulating stacks during the SR I think

[hardy cypress]

Oh thats still hepful

Can we survive the Recycler if we SR, defensive stance, Enraged regeneration?

I guess my question is does SR damage reduction stack with the others

[vagrant imp]

lol at 62% Charged bolt nerf

[keen dove]

this is ordinary +12 key

it is not op tho?

am i missing something

[hardy cypress]

30 + 15 + 20 for a grand total of 65% magic damage reduction. Logs says I took 26 mil from the hit, so that would be a 9 mil hit if I use everything 😏

[unborn delta]

im prob swapping off warrior for 11.2 ngl 🙂

the frost dk changes look like they might be fun, will have to check

[dense elbow]

That is swell

[sullen dove]

I done it once

think maybe also had the like 5-10% extra hp from thane impending victory talent don’t remember

[unborn delta]

you can survive it with just SR and enraged regen

only does like 10mil with those 2

[hardy cypress]

nice

fury tanky

[unborn delta]

esp if a priest puts a shield on you then its comfy

[hardy cypress]

utility

[summer quail]

while memeing around on dh on ptr. this trinket that is only supposed to proc when something dies just procced on dummy and did 40m

[quiet breach]

is charged bolts dead now for fury warriors? @edgy widget https://www.wowhead.com/news/charged-bolt-nerfed-by-massive-62-on-weekly-reset-upcoming-d-i-s-c-belt-tuning-377383?utm_source=discord-webhook

[gloomy narwhal]

probably we take charged crystal no?

[unborn delta]

damnit i gotta do another delve...

[compact knot]

it also got nerfed

[dense elbow]

It goes down from what 3% to around 1.2%, so whatever effect grants more DPS than that is better. So prob all of em?
Meh, who cares. I will swap when my friends scream at me to swap

[tepid cedar]

Wow. A 684 belt with 2ndary stats might beat it now hahahaha 😂😂

[dense elbow]

I already sold my old BiS stat belt, time to get it back ye I wont, I will just eat the potential DPS loss

[tepid cedar]

Jokes aside critical wasn’t to far behind current. Critical might be good now

[fluid cedar]

charged bolt gang?

[dense elbow]

A gang that had all its members roach out

[tepid cedar]

That’s massive. What was it, let’s say 90k at 701. So about 60k dps loss

That’s actually worse than current now

[quiet breach]

I need to sim crafted ring again now that I have less secondary stats

il bet it beats cyrce's now

[tepid cedar]

Critical really might take over now. For me, yesterday doing sim. Crit was 9k less in st but beat current in 8-10 targets

[earnest crag]

how does fury look with one button rotation? Trying to pick a spec to do 0-mythic gally on controller with 1 button

[compact knot]

it could be the vers one ngl

[meager gyro]

don't let your dreams become memes 别让你的梦想变成表情包 become uncapped today 今天不再封顶 press reroll 按重新滚动

[tepid cedar]

I know I sim cyrces day 1. And it was a huge dps loss

[dense elbow]

like 20-25% less DPS, easily.

It will get you through to 12s tho, easilly.

[quiet breach]

if it was only 9k less why would a 684 belt beat it

[compact knot]

keep in mind the belt is going to get more ilvl

so

[earnest crag]

okay that's better than shaman was, you know if any other classes are doing better?

[tepid cedar]

I was being sarcastic lol

[dense elbow]

Dont remember the list, but wasnt "winners" like ret and warlock?

[earnest crag]

I'll see what their discords are saying tyty

[dense elbow]

Hf mr 1button

[earnest crag]

kinda always wanted to try fury warrior tho so might just take the 20% loss and see if I can do it

[quiet breach]

if ur using the one button u ain't even playing fr tho