o 10% for destro ez
#fury
sullen dove
orchid dagger
Wasn't it like 20% for Fury?
modest condor
mate
look at the numbers again
assisted highlight 11.5%
1 button 11.5%
those numbers are obviously not correct
young swan
trusting anything warlocks say is a massive misplay
hoary agate
add mages to that list
fading sky
Rets are the worst sandbaggers
sour tundra
NA servers up GO
bitter palm
trusting anything warlocks say is a massive misplay
all 3 warlocks b tier i heard
fading sky
Yes and ret is d tier
bitter palm
nono kalamazi said they are b tier so they are b tier
see
they are b tier
all 3
indigo quarry
fading sky
Make 1 with ret
flat river
i swear since DF season 2 i haven't seen a ret paladin nerf
neither in PvP or PvE
either buff or no changes
how is my meme
quiet breach
yo do we go to lorewalker cho to do our belt questline
trail locust
can cyrces circlet be equipped with the new belt?
bleak gale
how is my meme
I’d rather not be in blizzards sights after what they did to us in nerub palace
meager gyro
how is my meme
fading sky
I’d rather not be in blizzards sights after what they did to us in nerub palace
I mean cant get much worse
sour frigate
@dense elbow who was the shitter u talked about?
sour frigate
dense elbow
😘
fading sky
<@237283524040851459> who was the shitter u talked about?
Avg fury aoe experience🤣
coarse nest
Bro that paladin pipes!!!
dense elbow
I deserve this 
quiet breach
can u only use one power at a time on the new belt?
fading sky
👍
sour frigate
there is only one brown
earnest canyon
can u only use one power at a time on the new belt?
I'd hope so lol
dense elbow
Møh key
sour frigate
Møh key
my mate be like: "go play totemic its simplier"
totemic: 4 more buttons to spam
dense elbow
Very simple, many deaths
sour frigate
(dead first pull where would mock u)
dense elbow
)
glad coyote
the powers that the belt gets is that a gem or is that just the tree to help with delves?
or once we get the belt its gg
tepid cedar
Anyone get the belt yet? Which are the 2 buffs today?
tepid cedar
Nice what are the unlocks you can get today. From my understanding each diff delv unlocks 1 power
unborn delta
I thought you could get all 8 from the get-go
tepid cedar
No idea
unborn delta
One from each overcharged delve
tepid cedar
Niceeee we get the good one for raid.
unborn delta
It can only be 691 for now tho
tepid cedar
I can’t wait to try out crit and current
Crit is gonna be sick with slayer build in m+ and pace/hoc
glad coyote
i dont understand how im simming wrong,
hidden tinsel
What is simming higher then for m+ thane?
unborn delta
Arms colo
hidden tinsel
haha
glad coyote
684 enforcer's backalley girgle with socket
unborn delta
Use loboz build
coarse nest
I’m not home yet to check myself I’m curious if raidbots has the belt options yet?
glad coyote
raid bots says to use spark burst for ST
tepid cedar
With a chosen power equipped
pearl sequoia
haters will say its 5t but its actually ST
tepid cedar
If ur simming 5t with charged bolts its a dps loss. Bc dont forget new belt does not have secondaries
past pivot
Belt does have a socket for some secondary at least.
dense elbow
The mastery effect is the only one that isnt completely RNG and always got "some" uptime, ye?
dense elbow
I will see tomorrow, just don't want more RNG on my RNG atm 
ornate gust
how can i add the new 691 belt in the top gear sim?
celest sierra
sullen dove
not really
sullen dove
I will see tomorrow, just don't want more RNG on my RNG atm <:gladge:96397013770...
what rng
fury is about as flat as it gets
minus a couple reap procs here and there
dense elbow
Die reap die
sullen dove
my ability only did 3% dmg instead of 6% 
sullen dove
so like every class in the game
sullen dove
right..
dense elbow
Am I annoyed when I dont get a proc on MM hunter? Nope. Still does 15mill dam
Reap dont wanna play ball? Welp
6m
dense elbow
Also helps that MM stacks crit, so crit RNG is less
If they made reap a proc, that activated on your next BT, instead of a chance on cast. Wonder if it would feel more fun.
Instead of feeling you missing out, you feel you gained something.
Also, make sudden death reap, for the love of Elune
mortal grotto
Me no think, what best thing for belt?
last sparrow
hasnt archi already done a post in #updates-midnight
fervent turtle
eyoh, is there way to track Slayer's Marked for execution? looks like there is no buff aura for it..
modest condor
that would be because it's a debuff, not a buff
dense elbow
Hm, ya thought you got a buff on yourself? Fair, I wouldnt call that stupid. That just makes sense for what it does.
summer quail
Hm, ya thought you got a buff on yourself? Fair, I wouldnt call that stupid. Tha...
nah that would mean it actually has some value in aoe. can't have that
modest condor
i guess because whirlwind isnt a targeted attack
modest condor
dense elbow
10/10
fervent turtle
well the name '"marked for execution" kinda indicates already its a debuff
dense elbow
true and real
So as WW doesn't have a chance to proc Slayer Strikes, does that mean that slam is better on ST?
Very important thoughts
Why slam, when you can press hamstring, and get a proc
Now I need to know if Pummel can trigger strikes
Oh it can
Time to spam pummel on CD on ST, for possible more strikes
modest condor
So as WW doesn't have a chance to proc Slayer Strikes, does that mean that slam ...
no, it's rppm and you press whirlwind so infrequently that it's negligible
dense elbow
But could that pummel in theory make the proc happen faster, if used between GCDs?
dense elbow
Not live on EU yet, so dont know. Some NA chad will answer you shortly
mortal grotto
nvm it did it's just not showing dmg on my details but it showed te aura.
I'll have to look more into it
tepid cedar
damn its good tro be fury when we get 2 of our 3 bis on first day ahah
mortal grotto
you can get all of them today
rocky locust
@edgy widget #updates-midnight message
What do the left and right sections mean? Is it just two runs of ST on the left and two runs of MT on the right?
plush zephyr
Why’d you break it
whole yacht
i didnt do anything but log in
edgy widget
<@61282228017041408> https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/12349490581...
look at the specs
floral frigate
Sooo maybe been mention but does charged bolts just not hit target dummies?
night portal
for a fight like M gally with limited adds would you guys go charged still? I'd think so but just curious
for the belt
crude ridge
for a fight like M gally with limited adds would you guys go charged still? I'd ...
full ST the adds are worthless as they die way to fast at this point
plus you may only get to hit them for like less than 10% of the whole fight
night portal
that's kinda my thought
tepid cedar
lol did some test on dummies with electric current. There were times if hit 81% mastery
So I had to sim circlet… god bless simmed lower lol
warm zephyr
looks like blizz thinks warriors are fine and need nothing
orchid dagger
because it wont track cds
You can already track CDs, it's in the options
Also come 12.0 Hekili is getting shot
remote bobcat
hekili getting shot is great
orchid dagger
^
gleaming crag
nah I like running it and if theres a way to run it out of client I will some how
orchid dagger
Enjoy your ban then lmao
remote bobcat
nah I like running it and if theres a way to run it out of client I will some ho...
Why? Are you not able to play one of the easiest specs in the game without it? :^)
plush zephyr
nah I like running it and if theres a way to run it out of client I will some ho...
Reading the wow rotation guide on a side monitor?
gleaming crag
nothing wrong if a person was a reminder on screen
remote bobcat
nothing wrong if a person was a reminder on screen
you dont need hekili to tell you that you need to press bloodthirst at 85% crit
or that you need to rampage at 100+ rage
orchid dagger
you dont need hekili to tell you that you need to press bloodthirst at 85% crit
Some 
do
Mostly because some people can't be fucked to understand their class
marble pilot
I like it on alts where I have no interest in learning the full spec. Still mostly as a reminder not just blindly following what it says
gleaming crag
if blizzard just employed the addon developers instead of nuking the addons we wouldn't have any problem
solemn widget
do we just spam run the spiral weave until it drops is it a item for the belt node?
winter shoal
hekili getting shot is great
L take
remote bobcat
ive never been a fan of hekili
or rather
I think hekili is a great idea
but its a net negative on the community
winter shoal
Why
remote bobcat
Because laziness is instilled in the playerbase
winter shoal
I use hekili for my alts
Does that mean I'm lazy
Or does it mean I'm playing an alt to fuck around and I don't want to have to put much effort in
marble pilot
Eh. Not many people doing above heroic raid or +10 m+ use it
I dont think it really effects much. And it helps a lot of people get the basics of a class they dont play much.
Sure it might be more rewarding to fully learn classes without it. But not everyone has the time for that.
fervent turtle
how often can one do this turbo boost: powerhouse quest?! i am on it for the 3rd time now..
remote bobcat
I think that is the exact laziness im talking about
winter shoal
how often can one do this turbo boost: powerhouse quest?! i am on it for the 3rd...
Until you're caught up
remote bobcat
we used to not just fuck around on alts
or else they wouldnt get far
but now you can be a complete dickhead on alts and still do fine
winter shoal
Is it bad that I have the option available for me though?
quick eagle
damn its good tro be fury when we get 2 of our 3 bis on first day ahah
but is shit and you dont get any dps increase 😦
winter shoal
If I wanted to learn how to play dk I could, I have a video documenting me doing exactly that to prove a point
But I don't WANT to
remote bobcat
the option of playing alts didnt go away
fervent turtle
Until you're caught up
ok cool, thought i gotta do it all before the reset
marble pilot
I mean you could say the same thing about guides being written. WHy dont people just figure out the class on their own.
Or sims. Why sim things. It takes the thinking away from you
remote bobcat
I just dont like performance unrepresentative of character knowledge and skill
and you using it for alts..yeah sure
but there are people who use it for their mains, they started getting lazy
they started not caring
the hunger and fire in them has vanished cause of multiple things, of course
but hekili is one of the contributing factors
marble pilot
It happens sure. But I doubt there is many in mythic raiding or higher end m+
junior oyster
Lol
remote bobcat
It happens sure. But I doubt there is many in mythic raiding or higher end m+
yea there is
like every wr500 or later guild has hekili users
multiple
and you still find hekili users down to top100
winter shoal
Using hekili doesn't mean you don't know how your class works
floral isle
anyone know if we can add a second socket to the belt?
winter shoal
anyone know if we can add a second socket to the belt?
You cannot
remote bobcat
Using hekili doesn't mean you don't know how your class works
indeed it doesnt
but it does cause lacking knowledge in many
winter shoal
Not that I know of
remote bobcat
should function the same, why?
winter shoal
but it does cause lacking knowledge in many
I mean it's a tool, it doesn't provide nor remove knowledge
junior oyster
It just raises the floor for dummies who wanna "be dickheads on alts" . Doesn't hurt me any. I don't care if someone's "fire has vanished"
marble pilot
Im still curious if some of the lower performers Ive seen will get dps boosts using 1 button lol.
junior oyster
Whatever that means
summer quail
13k
remote bobcat
I mean it's a tool, it doesn't provide nor remove knowledge
it's a tool that can be used to gain reassurance and it can even help players learn the spec, but more often than not you see people not know their specs and they just laze around not committing to learning - because why would they when they are plenty successful?
junior oyster
If I kinda like fucking around on assassination when I'm bored and want an addon to hold my hand, imma do it and not judge any other turds doing the same
remote bobcat
If I kinda like fucking around on assassination when I'm bored and want an addon...
and i think thats problematic
for the game
simple as that
junior oyster
It ruffles your feathers. That's all it does lol
orchid dagger
It ruffles your feathers. That's all it does lol
It encourages people to not actually progress
And at some point that means Blizz starts balancing for the average shitter
remote bobcat
If people can end up questioning if its even worth putting in the effort to continue learning, then it's problematic in my books
junior oyster
Those who care less will do less damage than those who care a lot by a smaller margin. I don't have a lot of tears in me over it.
tepid cedar
but it does cause lacking knowledge in many
It does. But blocking hekili is silly. These addon changes are silly. Blizz is about to fuck this up . Blocking the tracking of buffs and the apl for hek is silly. Whether i like it or not, some ppl enjoy it and use. And banning it to use blizzards shit ass version of it is silly
remote bobcat
Those who care less will do less damage than those who care a lot by a smaller m...
Mate the issue isn't people who care vs people who dont care, the issue is that hekili is actively making people care less.
was i not clear enough ?
compact knot
If I wanted to learn how to play dk I could, I have a video documenting me doing...
dk is like the easiest class in this game
well
compact knot
im missing the point
tepid cedar
Mate the issue isn't people who care vs people who dont care, the issue is that ...
But how does that affect us
junior oyster
Dunno. Dude mad that people play differently than he do
orchid dagger
That's your read, mate.
It's fucking obvious
junior oyster
This dude too
tepid cedar
Ppl who use hekili don’t affect our playing 1 bit
plush zephyr
Dunno. Dude mad that people play differently than he do
I don’t think that’s Kronzos point
compact knot
i personally refuse to use hekili for alts, i start off dogshit because i dont know what im doing, but i read abilities, looks at wowhead and learn the spec and then perform better than hekili would in about a week of playing
remote bobcat
But how does that affect us
Well fuckin hell I much prefer playing a game where a lot of people care
orchid dagger
But how does that affect us
People will push for easier and easier content as more people take the easy way out (ie: LFR)
tepid cedar
Unfortunately, that’s not yours nor my prerogative to tell ppl how they have fun
junior oyster
Or how to "care"
remote bobcat
how to have fun is something entirely unrelated to caring about improving at the game
orchid dagger
^
plush zephyr
They’re saying it’s bad for the health of the player base as a whole because it will teach bad habits/laziness across the board. Not that people are assholes for using it, but moreso blizzard pushing stuff to make the game easier for the player instead of just making the game design easier.
Right @remote bobcat
edgy widget
I know I only just got here, but this has to be the dumbest argument I've read all day
remote bobcat
Right <@294878943004327952>
pretty much
plush zephyr
pretty much
You’re being attacked for something you aren’t saying
edgy widget
awful lot of sophism going on rn
compact knot
*awful* lot of sophism going on rn
big ass word that i have no idea what it means sorry
remote bobcat
big ass word that i have no idea what it means sorry
unkempt grotto
Everyone who grows up on self driving cars wont make it when it goes all Fury Road
compact knot
thanks
edgy widget
call it whatever you want lol
compact knot
new term unlocked
echo rapids
Given how blizzard releases things and how long it takes them to get some things “right”, I’m expecting a pretty rough transition period
orchid dagger
Everyone who grows up on self driving cars wont make it when it goes all Fury Ro...
RAISE HELL PRAISE DALE BROTHER
remote bobcat
Everyone who grows up on self driving cars wont make it when it goes all Fury Ro...
real shit my g
orchid dagger
Number three, never forget
🙏
plush zephyr
I can’t wait to see self driving nascar
edgy widget
but yeah, the idea that hekili, or by extension the assistant is going to dumb down the game is... well pretty dumb
For one thing, Hekili has been around for ages and the high-end activities within the game have generally gotten harder not easier
orchid dagger
I can’t wait to see self driving nascar
remote bobcat
but yeah, the idea that hekili, or by extension the assistant is going to dumb d...
that is not at all an argument that we made sir
junior oyster
You made an even thinner argument lol
orchid dagger
that is not at all an argument that we made sir
Hey man, he's a woyer, he just learned how to walk upright
edgy widget
remote bobcat
no archi is generally very quick witted
edgy widget
but you can also apply it to your comment about people "not caring about the game"
remote bobcat
ah fair enough he did say something pretty dumb right there
tepid cedar
I just don’t agree with these changes to block addons. Hekili is not a proble problem is that these fkn devs decide to add 500 swirlies mechanics that are rng and require specific shit to be done, 50000 kicks, sacrifice a fuckign goat.
edgy widget
there are millions of players - more than enough room for both people who care and people who don't care
junior oyster
"People don't sweat nuts on every spec they attempt, and hekili making it easy to moonlight for fun on another spec is killing passion"
edgy widget
also, spoiler alert: there were still lots of people who didn't care long before the assistant or hekili both
plush zephyr
I just don’t agree with these changes to block addons. Hekili is not a proble p...
This is the camp I’m in
junior oyster
there are *millions* of players - more than enough room for both people who care...
100% this
edgy widget
I just don’t agree with these changes to block addons. Hekili is not a proble p...
it's more complex than that
they don't want to block Hekili per se, but the things they do want to block are very likely to also end up affecting Hekili's ability to function
chilly fractal
||Archi out here spoiling||
orchid dagger
ah fair enough he did say something pretty dumb right there
raids will be designed w/o hekili in mind
raids will be designed w/o weakauras in mind
specs will be designed w/ single button in mind
tepid cedar
it's more complex than that
they don't want to block Hekili per se, but the thin...
They will block the api for buffs and shit correct
Or other apis I’m guessing
compact knot
why use hekili when you can put the wowhead rotation on your second monitor
orchid dagger
They will block the api for buffs and shit correct
Yes
remote bobcat
also, spoiler alert: there were still lots of people who didn't care long before...
This is very obvious of course, but this doesn't detract from the observation that people who used to put effort into learning their specs have relied on hekili more and more and odds are that they simply don't care much anymore. Obviously some will go back to actually learning what's going on but it's that cut of the playerbase that stopped caring that i'm personally interested in
echo rapids
Now no one will know I’m not kicking
edgy widget
now we don't know exactly how they will accomplish it; it's possible (though quite doubtful) they'll write in new hooks that allow specific addons like Hekili to work
But in order to stop things like computational weak auras, they need to block a whole lot of functions that many other addons depend on as well
remote bobcat
>raids will be designed w/o hekili in mind
>raids will be designed w/o weakauras...
this doesnt make the content itself inherently easier mate
edgy widget
This is very obvious of course, but this doesn't detract from the observation th...
you know that you have absolutely no evidence to support this theory, right?
remote bobcat
you know that you have absolutely no evidence to support this theory, right?
Observation
edgy widget
Observation
you know personal experience is biased, right?
remote bobcat
ofc it is
edgy widget
also hekili has been around for more than a decade at this point, lmao
literally 12 years
junior oyster
Your rage that someone is outperforming you despite not "outcaring" you is not an objective measure
orchid dagger
this doesnt make the content itself inherently easier mate
IIRC the interview around single-button & raids did say raids had to be designed to be simpler due to not having weakauras
echo rapids
I don’t think hekili is a factor at all in this, it’s just collateral damage
edgy widget
it's not lol
edgy widget
IIRC the interview around single-button & raids did say raids had to be designed...
that had nothing to do with single button, it means that if they're taking away weakauras ability to solve and direct players, they need to also relax the requirements to solve said mechanics within a split second
Try getting 6 people to do Jailer bombs correctly without a WeakAura within the currently designed time limit - it's practically impossible
hardy quiver
Well maybe they think that some don't have the time to put to learning a class . So dunno my theory
remote bobcat
I've been simply stating my observation. I play with a lot of boosters across multiple guilds and this is a topic ive brought up with a lot of them and every single one of them has had multiple stories of either themselves or their guildies and friends losing the spark in em as they don't feel the need to do it anymore as hekili has gotten better and better over time.
Simply stating that this is, in my opinion, problematic, isn't very biased is it?
edgy widget
so yes, "easier" in the sense that the mechanics need to become doable within a reasonable time frame for unassisted human beings
that has nothing to do with 1 button rotations though
remote bobcat
tepid cedar
lol imagine doing echo of neltharion without WA
echo rapids
I’m hopeful that long term this results in more interesting encounters with less “don’t stand jn swirlies” Olympics
compact knot
lol imagine doing echo of neltharion without WA
sprocketmonger would be a disaster i think
edgy widget
I've been simply stating my observation. I play with a lot of boosters across mu...
it's no more problematic than hekili, and hekili has been around for more than half of the lifespan of the game at this point, which means that if it were that problematic, it would have been noticed by now
and yet, the game is still thriving
tepid cedar
Just ban WA.
edgy widget
class discords are still thriving
surreal token
Archi, why is the wow head article for the belt showing different effect than the Sims you posted in the updates channel?
edgy widget
guides are still big business
tepid cedar
Removing ability to track buffs and shit suckksss
orchid dagger
Removing ability to track buffs and shit suckksss
Bro that's literally baked into WoW now
edgy widget
Archi, why is the wow head article for the belt showing different effect than th...
it's not
echo rapids
Bro that's literally baked into WoW now
Other people’s buffs
plush zephyr
@tepid cedar the buff bloat and trying to decode it while playing is literally impossible lol
edgy widget
Removing ability to track buffs and shit suckksss
tbf, they've said they want to improve the cooldown manager... though to what extent remains to be seen
tepid cedar
I know but noooo way in hellllllll will they add ability to be specific ( like bt crit manager)
plush zephyr
I don’t agree with nuking wa as it sits at the moment without being able to look at buffs and track them easily.
edgy widget
they also talked about cutting back on excessive numbers of things to track (not so much for warrior) and addressing the amount of WA dependencies (which does include War)
surreal token
it's not
Your sims show charged bolts for both, but the wow head article asks for crit chain/electrical current on aoe
plush zephyr
Also idk why I’m talking about this again. Not shit is going to happen for a longggg time.
orchid dagger
I know but noooo way in hellllllll will they add ability to be specific ( like b...
Ok, but how fucking hard is it to go "I know my crit chance, I know if I have Reck up, I know how many stacks I have"?
plush zephyr
Back to… delving
tepid cedar
I don’t know, blizz is really gona fuck this up. We can’t get small patches to work properly or even have proper cpu support, but they want to completely rewrite code for all this lol
edgy widget
Your sims show charged bolts for both, but the wow head article asks for crit ch...
na the image headers were just formatted wrong - ST is on the left and AoE is on the right
look at the numbers
tepid cedar
Ok, but how fucking hard is it to go "I know my crit chance, I know if I have Re...
It’s decently hard especially if you wanna play absolutely perfect
echo rapids
Ok, but how fucking hard is it to go "I know my crit chance, I know if I have Re...
Depends, do i have to look in the corner of my screen for a specific buff icon?
remote bobcat
they also talked about cutting back on excessive numbers of things to track (not...
Im curious how that's gonna turn out, actually. The average player isn't using the SD conditions weakaura or the BT crit weakaura so im curious if that type of feedback will get through to blizz
orchid dagger
Depends, do i have to look in the corner of my screen for a specific buff icon?
You can have that shit right in the center
surreal token
na the image headers were just formatted wrong - ST is on the left and AoE is on...
I see now, thanks big dog
orchid dagger
Part of the cooldown manager and the other one
plush zephyr
How are they going to ensure a non-combat add on is truly non-combat and someone doesn’t do some sneaky stuff?
Idk man these people are smarrrrt that make these add ons and if there’s any work arounds, they’re going to find them lol
remote bobcat
theres a reason we call it the addon arms race
chilly fractal
How are they going to ensure a non-combat add on is truly non-combat and someone...
they aren't going to have someone approve/deny every individual addon
winter shoal
i personally refuse to use hekili for alts, i start off dogshit because i dont k...
You can do this while using hekili tho
tepid cedar
There’s quite a few ppl here that play fury at its absolute limits. I know I depend on my weak aura and my personal buff icons and stack reminders. That’s what I’m bothered about lol I don’t give a fuck about raid weak auras bc I just learnt the encounter. ( but then again, it’s easy to learn when other use raid weak auras to be where they need to be and I just need to learn my spot) lolololol
plush zephyr
they aren't going to have someone approve/deny every individual addon
Damn I was looking for that job to pop up on Indeed
edgy widget
I see now, thanks big dog
I fixed it
remote bobcat
I fixed it
goat
edgy widget
Im curious how that's gonna turn out, actually. The average player isn't using t...
Blizz has already gotten it
remote bobcat
Blizz has already gotten it
for now, yes, but continuously over time?
edgy widget
blizzard gets continual feedback over time, yes
edgy widget
I really don't lol
plush zephyr
Kronzo stop being mad about trialing shitters and go take a nap
edgy widget
how many people are playing at which level is frankly irrelevant, there will always be a large spread of player skill, interest, and willingness to go above and beyond
tepid cedar
I really don't lol
Who they getting feedback from lol. Bc getting feedback back from you and a few others will not be the same by Joe dirt picking his boogers hitting any and every key as they glow
orchid dagger
^
remote bobcat
Overlaps of different spec mechanics will keep occuring that will keep getting optimized by addons such as the current weakauras we have. And just because we do give feedback, there's not guarantee that this feedback will actually end up getting through to them
edgy widget
Who they getting feedback from lol. Bc getting feedback back from you and a few...
aside from the fact that that person probably isn't giving feedback in the first place, I fail to see what it has to do with the subject of using an SD WA
winter shoal
how many people are playing at which level is frankly irrelevant, there will alw...
The same player can also fall on different parts of this spectrum in different contexts - I take raid very seriously on my main, but I don't push keys because I don't care, and I don't push alt raids either for similar reasons
edgy widget
certainly, the person who isn't using the SD WA is unlikely to comment on the use of the SD WA... that should be immediately obvious
winter shoal
big if true
tepid cedar
aside from the fact that that person probably isn't giving feedback in the first...
Just feedback in general
edgy widget
what feedback? people give all sorts of feedback
tepid cedar
Well who are they listening to Is what I mean…. How are they getting such feedback if the community has now idea that they already even have feedback
edgy widget
the question was specifically about feedback regarding the use of SD and BT conditionals, which is something that Blizzard is already aware of
They don't need other people to give feedback about it, the feedback already exists
edgy widget
and it's not a democratic process either, they don't decide to change things only if X number of people bring it up to them
orchid dagger
Yeah, they wanted to work on conditionals as part of the whole Hekili/WeakAuras shit too
edgy widget
that said, killing the ability to track those things also fixes a lot of the problems automatically, even if you don't address the underlying mechanic
if we weren't able to track BT crit, we almost certainly wouldn't care about it rotationally
because it would simply be too much effort for too little gain - at best we'd do a simple BC stack check
so it's kind of the same arms race that exists between WAs and raid mechanics
- we wouldn't care about picking up that extra 0.2% if it actually required us to do anything complicated, but because we can simply make a weakaura to track the condition and press a button when we hear a ding, it's made easy
- if the ability to make that WA didn't exist, we'd stop caring about the gain real quick, because nobody is doing mental math every second of the encounter for a 0.2% gain
brittle snow
How do yall feel about Fury rn?
tepid cedar
But isn’t it nice getting that .2% gain
edgy widget
yeah you really notice it 
brittle snow
Ive been sticking to Arms for a bit now
tepid cedar
I know we have all had that sub 1% pull lol
remote bobcat
yes theres feedback for the current iteration of warr, for example. But a future iteration might have different weird conditionals optimized by weakauras or other addons and that feedback has to be seen and heard first. I'm just curious how that's gonna turn out.
What if we'll end up getting another iteration of warrior with weird mechanics that overlap to form very specific conditionals optimized by weakauras or other addons. It'll be interesting to see how fast they'll find out that we end up optimizing that shit with addons and also how fast these mechanics themselves will get reworks or heavy tuning such that it's no longer reliant on those optimization-addons
edgy widget
you can't "what if" these things
edgy widget
because any number of things could happen
what if blizz decides to shut the game down tomorrow
what if Blizz decides to give Fury the Combat -> Outlaw treatment and completely change the spec into "shoutmaster"
remote bobcat
It may seem pointless to you but why are you judging me finding these scenarios interesting
tepid cedar
what if blizz decides to shut the game down tomorrow
They may have to if they remover all this shit bc Ian is a fucking dumbass lead and makes dumbass fucking decisions
remote bobcat
People wonder all the time
edgy widget
It may seem pointless to you but why are you judging me finding these scenarios ...
well first of all, nothing I said was a judgement or offered any commentary on what you find interesting
I simply said that you can't what if everything
orchid dagger
what if Blizz decides to give Fury the Combat -> Outlaw treatment and completely...
Support class where we autistically screech to give buffs to the raid
chilly fractal
its even worse @tepid cedar ... its Ion... its like the shitty alternate way some people spell Jeff with a G... Geoff
edgy widget
the reality is that it doesn't matter what they decide to do - we'll continue to offer freedback the same way we always have
and if they do happen to make a new mechanic that is too WA dependent... we'll tell them
remote bobcat
of course
the interesting part is their reaction to that
like how fast they'll be perhaps
tepid cedar
Bro just make the encounters not need a fkn phd in astrophysics
edgy widget
again, arms race
tepid cedar
And it won’t matter if there are weakauras or not
edgy widget
that's exactly what they're trying to fix lol
remote bobcat
Bro just make the encounters not need a fkn phd in astrophysics
yea thats exactly what they said they would do
winter shoal
its even worse <@665442766322401290> ... its Ion... its like the shitty alternat...
what he say fuck me for
remote bobcat
silly innocent curiousity?
tepid cedar
Aside from rwf it makes no difference
edgy widget
it's hard to create a consistent baseline level of difficulty when half the mechanics can be completely trivialized by addons. They've had to keep making it harder because we keep finding ways to make it easier
and when it gets too easy, people complain, even if it's because of their own doing
chilly fractal
what he say fuck me for
who fucked you?
tepid cedar
it's hard to create a consistent baseline level of difficulty when half the mech...
Ppl as in the rwf
edgy widget
even outside of that
tepid cedar
Making in depth shit lol
edgy widget
honestly the best fight this tier is the one that requires the least WAs
remote bobcat
it's hard to create a consistent baseline level of difficulty when half the mech...
Do you think the current iteration of mythic gallywix would count as a plenty difficult fight with no weakauras?
tepid cedar
But I get what your saying
edgy widget
Yeah M Gallywix is a great fight
maybe a little too easy in relation to Mugz, but frankly I think that the people who have been Stockholmed into believing that bosses need to be multi-hundred pulls to feel satisfying need to seek professional help lol
remote bobcat
I mean we would be progressing gally with no boss timers too right?
tepid cedar
Agree
edgy widget
I mean we would be progressing gally with no boss timers too right?
Gally doesn't really have (m)any important boss timers
remote bobcat
fair
edgy widget
but also Blizzard has expressed their interest in creating their own boss timers for things
echo rapids
How would you even design an encounter where boss timers didn’t matter at all
remote bobcat
Imho boss kill satisfaction comes from lots of pulls or from simply having a tough last phase. Getting through that in maybe 60 pulls feels great already
edgy widget
they've been pretty upfront about acknowledging that they can't just take these things away without giving us a new way to get the information - doing so would just lead people to more degenerate solutions (like starting a youtube video on the pull, or whatever)
Blizz devs are a lot smarter than people give them credit for, they just don't move as fast as people would like lol
coarse nest
maybe a little too easy in relation to Mugz, but frankly I think that the people...
🙌
Preach it!
remote bobcat
I love myself a solid 40-80 pull fight with a nice last phase to round out the encounter
tepid cedar
All I know is that how am I suppose to keep r1 on normal and heroic if archi wa don’t tell me when to hit button
edgy widget
well ideally they design out the desire to use such a WA
junior gale
use the 1 button rotation surely you will get R1 with that
echo rapids
All I know is that how am I suppose to keep r1 on normal and heroic if archi wa ...
Good news, blizzard had a solution for you!
tepid cedar
I 😂😂😂😂
plush zephyr
use the 1 button rotation surely you will get R1 with that
I’m sure Tettles will try
edgy widget
First thing I told Critcake when they announced was that he needs to do a One-Button M+ Push series
red berry
tbh the race to world first that last days, i lose stamina for
gilded pawn
some guy on reddit said
if you press the one button rotation
instead of losing 0.2s on gcd
you should get a -20% debuff
echo garnet
What belt buff does fury want?
echo rapids
Does it have to be unlocked for each character?
tepid cedar
I actually don’t know but are vision enchants account wide or character bound lolol
tepid cedar
So purchase and put in bank. Niceee
tepid cedar
How mad would you guys be if current at 701 made circlet be bis again 😂😂😂
hoary agate
I actually don’t know but are vision enchants account wide or character bound lo...
you can also pay someone to enchant through trade window, don't need to step in visions 🤣
feral ivy
do yall think one of our BIS items might come from delvs next season so should we max out this overcharged console while we are over geared for it
glad coyote
did everyone get their critical chain yet?
compact knot
do yall think one of our BIS items might come from delvs next season so should w...
bis items pretty much come from delves anyways rn
hoary agate
feral ivy
how do i get a differnt belt power? or is it time locked
quiet breach
which belt power should we use on gallywix mythic?
sullen tendon
use the belt
quiet breach
for prog
quiet breach
Single target
do i use charged bolts for every single encounter in LoU?
winter shoal
Probably
edgy widget
doesn't matter; you might lose a couple procs to it, but it still performs dramatically better than the next best options
flat river
hello archi :3
edgy widget
you'd have to lose half the procs or more
flat river
ignored 
hardy quiver
ignored <:sadgers:1022526082278248631>
😦
flat river
coarse nest
The bolt pumps it did like 3.7% of my overall on heroic mugz pug earlier iirc
dense elbow
Bolts op, or your rotation weak
coarse nest
mossy pelican
Why not both
plush ice
did they take the adds off of mugsey on wcl
i know they put up a post, but idk what the outcome of it was
thorny peak
how does trashmasters mantle work it only has 1 secondary stat?
echo rapids
The bolt pumps it did like 3.7% of my overall on heroic mugz pug earlier iirc
I guess you have to subtract the secondary stats you lose
woven valley
how does trashmasters mantle work it only has 1 secondary stat?
It’s a cloak with only 1 secondary? I think it’s self explanatory haha 😂
thorny peak
fawk
woven valley
Not making fun just made me chuckle
It has the same amount of stat as the split just all vers or whatever it has
rocky locust
How can I break the habit of using Rampage right after Bladesstorm instead of building stacks with Raging Blow?
thorny oar
practice ^^
rocky locust
I see 130/130 Rage and I just have to press Rampage.
whole yacht
just simply dont
thorny oar
during blade storm focus on raging blow stacks
woven valley
I see 130/130 Rage and I just have to press Rampage.
Big same my monke brain just goes “oooooo shiny”
thorny peak
fml were capes that low on stats spread
woven valley
fml were capes that low on stats spread
Yeah 👍 they are not the best piece of gear lol
thorny peak
the other items were 2 trinkets that are worse so
woven valley
I mean go for the upgrade, that’s usually how I play
winter shoal
How can I break the habit of using Rampage right after Bladesstorm instead of bu...
It's like 0.2% to do this vs not
It really isn't worth worrying about
rocky locust
I'm worried.
quiet breach
HELP
HELP
mugzee prog
my charge is suddenly killing me during intermission every time
what the fuck is going on
it keeps charging me into the gun
and i die
didnt do that before
plush ice
you just have to wait until he isn't moving
compact knot
^
plush ice
its super easy to just go a hair too early
esp the last one where he goes far and sets late, but usually that one you just kinda leap to it anyhoot
compact knot
if you charge him while he is charging it trys to predict where he will end up and it charges you through him (ends up being directly under him)
quiet breach
So will it happen if he isnt moving?
quiet breach
dont charge until he is stopped
even if hes stopped is there a chance?
that u8 can die
snow edge
Even if he's stopped moving sometimes you'll end up in a janked position; you can survive a tick though, so just move out of it
cobalt kernel
in my exp no
snow edge
When we did the rekill a few nights ago I was charging when he stopped and still ended up inside his hitbox / on the other side a few times; just be ready to move accordingly
hallow sphinx
🫡
unborn delta
what is that weird axe symbol? what class are u playting
whole yacht
that 51 is brutal
winter shoal
What happened on gally
sullen dove
lul charge bolts lightning strike same category as thane one
storm rune
I had a 5 minute cauldron, you don't know what it's like out in the wild wild west of midcore raiding
hallow sphinx
<@204367291767324672>
cinder wren
Question about Rampage: wowanalyzer says send Rampage as soon as you can and wowhead says hold rampage for 100 rage unless you need to enrage. Is the difference that big overall?
neon ice
Theres a WA to track BIS buff?
winter shoal
Question about Rampage: wowanalyzer says send Rampage as soon as you can and wow...
Wowanalyzer doesn't actually say to send rampage as soon as you can
It's hard to succinctly describe rampage rules in the helper text so it has some generic messaging, but the logic does include rage checks
cinder wren
Oh so its saying I overcapped on rage then?
winter shoal
winter shoal
Oh so its saying I overcapped on rage then?
You didn't necessarily overcap, and even overcapping is sometimes fine, but it's more the opportunity cost of rampage (and AM cdr) vs using more builders
Using too few builders also has an opportunity cost of course
drowsy topaz
guys this is probably a dumb question, but do i press whirlwind if thunderclap gives me the cleave stacks? or do i only do that when the mountain than thunderclap is up?
cinder wren
Shit, well thats more confusing
winter shoal
guys this is probably a dumb question, but do i press whirlwind if thunderclap g...
As thane you don't need to press whirlwind ever
You can if you have LITERALLY nothing else to press
But the difference between doing it and doing nothing is negligible
drowsy topaz
As thane you don't need to press whirlwind ever
cool thanks, thats what i thought but i didnt know if whirlwind was more damage
winter shoal
Nope raw TC actually does decent damage as thane, still not enough to prio above BT/RB except on very high target counts (I don't remember the exact number, Silm or Sarri might know) but definitely better than whirlwind
sinful spoke
Chat sprocket trinket is doing both aoe and st dmg in my details is this normal
winter shoal
Shit, well thats more confusing
Do you have specific questions about the wowanalyzer output? I can take a look
sinful spoke
I just fot the trinket
wicked turret
Anyone know if you can swap between belt abilities between pulls in m+?
cinder wren
Its just dinging me about using a builder over rampage and I was trying to squeeze in more RB without capping
cinder wren
Do you have specific questions about the wowanalyzer output? I can take a look
Yeah just a sec I'll get it
winter shoal
Its just dinging me about using a builder over rampage and I was trying to squee...
Was it during reck and/or lust?
Your rage generation during those, especially with frenzied enrage, is very quick, so I generally find it better in practical terms to rampage asap instead of using another builder and risking overcapping
cinder wren
Was it during reck and/or lust?
https://wowanalyzer.com/report/Zq2P9KcB6Hj71JVQ/16-Mythic+Cauldron+of+Carnage+-+Kill+(7:18)/Yoshzu/standard/overview
first season on fury so I'm sure its just a mess
winter shoal
It isn't mathematically better for a robot, but it might be better for a human
cinder wren
I know the downtime answer but the rampage one I'm confused on proper rampage use
winter shoal
Confused about when to properly use rampage, or confused about why it's highlighting the casts it's highlighting
Also just rampaging immediately is really not of significant consequence tbh
cinder wren
Yeah confused as to why it's highlighting them
My goal was don't overcap and try to chain enraged together as effectively as I could do I would try to hold rampage if I wasn't capped
vestal willow
how big of a deal is tracking the 85% crit/ below 35% hp for BT hits in m+, would it be a noticeable diff in dmg if i just pressed it whenever instead of tracking that
winter shoal
how big of a deal is tracking the 85% crit/ below 35% hp for BT hits in m+, woul...
Depends on what you mean by "whenever" and what you mean by "in m+"
In aoe situations you BT a lot more often than just when the weakaura kachings
BT > RB on 2+ targets as slayer, 4+ targets as thane
winter shoal
My goal was don't overcap and try to chain enraged together as effectively as I ...
So here's an example during reck+lust which highlights what I was saying about practical vs mathematically optimal - your exe at 0:23 takes you from 87 rage to 127, so the RB at 0:25 is correctly flagged as inefficient, but your rage income is so high that it can be tough to really evaluate your rage situation while mashing your buttons like that
WCL resources stuff is kind of chalked so the x axes don't quite line up with the timeline
cinder wren
Basically there's no avoiding some of that in a realistic way?
winter shoal
An example outside of lust (still in reck), at 0:41 you're at 57 rage, you RB and auto attack putting you at 115 very quickly, then your exe at 0:42 ends up overcapping you
cinder wren
And obv try to stick to targets harder for uptime, massive one
winter shoal
Basically there's no avoiding some of that in a realistic way?
What I'm contending is that, at least during reck/lust, it's probably not worth worrying about fitting in another builder vs just rampaging asap (obviously with some other things still being higher prio like exe conditionals)
cinder wren
Because the huge resources influx like you said prior, that makes sense
What about outside? Is it just not worth to focus on that until I get better uptime?
winter shoal
Another example outside of reck and lust, you RB twice up to 97 rage, then your auto attacks take you to 112 right before your BT at 1:07
winter shoal
What about outside? Is it just not worth to focus on that until I get better upt...
I would say worrying about when it's correct to fit in another builder is one of the higher-hanging fruits
Uptime, cd timing, maintaining enrage and ashen juggernaut (on fights where you use it) are much more important
There are a LOT of like <0.5% optimizations that are certainly worth worrying about, but (imo) only once you've mastered everything else
I think downtime might also be reported weirdly for cauldron, I plugged in my log from tonight and it says I have 20% downtime but I def did not
Maybe a wowa bug, maybe a weird log thing
cinder wren
That makes sense, analyzer put it as a major issue so I thought I was missing something big
winter shoal
It's a major issue because of the number of times it occurred
I'm not sure if there's a good way of communicating that; people have had questions about it previously
So like I had 2 such "missed" rampages in my cauldron log from tonight, which it says is minor
You had 38, so it's considered major
cinder wren
Would that mean I need to slow down slightly? Or just rampage more? Rampage more seems pretty easy
winter shoal
Rampage more 
winter shoal
For reference, my rampage CPM is 17.9 vs your 14.7, granted I have ~5k more haste
But my BT/RB are only like 2 CPM higher than yours
Also just out of curiousity, are you looking at the timeline view on wowanalyzer?
Or just the overview tab
cinder wren
Rn overview because I'm not at my pc and it's rough on mobile
winter shoal
Ah fair enough
The timeline view is extremely useful (at least for fury, it's also useful for arms but the tooltips are kinda scuffed and there are some bugs I haven't had time to fix) but I'm not sure what % of users actually look at it
cinder wren
I try to, especially on any red highlights
But it didn't describe a specific thing besides should've rampaged instead
Which now I get why 🤣
winter shoal
Yeah I mean it's mostly just like from a UX perspective, imo wowanalyzer is meant more to highlight low-hanging fruit and point things out so that you can go to the wowhead guide or class discord to learn the nitty-gritty
Adding in every little condition with an explanation of what would have been better and why would be
- a nightmare to maintain, especially as those things change across patches
- a lot of extra work to write and get someone to review
- probably only marginally useful? This is a bit of a blind spot for me tbh, since I'm not really sure who the average user is or what they're using the site for
I have no idea if there are analytics built in that would answer 3), I suspect not
But I think 1) and 2) are probably already reason enough to point people to more in-depth resources regardless
cinder wren
True, that is it's biggest strength. Large overview with quick references, tbh it's one of my go tos after raids
feral ivy
on mythic mug i charged the boss during bulletstorm and charged PAST the boss
fucken wild
died to the bullet storm -.-
storm rune
remember ping-ponging around the map on Fyrakk?
winter shoal
smh you people gotta read the discord more
there's like 5 messages a day about people saying to wait until mugzee stops moving to charge him
lilac temple
Why am i not seeing the nature damage of my belt on the meters?
winter shoal
Are you playing thane
lilac temple
yes
winter shoal
lilac temple
im not seeing it on the dummies
winter shoal
It's probably under your thane lightning blast in details
silk wharf
Some things, especially procs, don't work on dummies sometimes.
inland flame
Just now realized I can't use Nitro Boosts on the new belt why do I even still have this profession
lilac temple
Some things, especially procs, don't work on dummies sometimes.
You're right. Just killed those elite bees and it shows. Doesn't show on dummies.
final eagle
How some people have the new drake mount?
cyan ferry
Hey, i got a question! In the Single Target opener I have to overcap on rage and strike twice with raging blow after blade storm and then use rampage. But in some logs I see that people use just bloodthirst instead or combined with raging blow. Why is that so?
inland flame
Not even sure I'm no log expert but you might be seeing the Unhinged BT casts
sour tundra
How some people have the new drake mount?
Its bugged right now so you can keep spamming timewalking past the weekly quest to get it fast
inland flame
Small indie company. I noticed that the questline to unlock the belt was acting weird when I was doing it in a group earlier, too.
silk wharf
The belt quest has such terrible visibility on it's quest related tasks/rewards. I got told that after I farmed 100 fragments that I should have had a bag that contained 50 in it.
(which I did)
tepid cedar
is it me or are logs all really off and lower than details in raid
inland flame
It wasn't even anything like that I 2-manned the delves with a bud and sometimes mobs weren't dropping frags for one of us at a time and I didn't get credit for finishing a overcharged delve when we completed the second one with the new quest (and my bud did).
winter pumice
so from the image in updates, we go stacking crit for mplus? ooo
fiery edge
overcharge deez belts
inland flame
Oh no is Lich King lorewalking bugged too?
inland flame
Nvm I think its fine
fervent turtle
yo anyone know 'bout this: sometimes when i bladestorm, hits seem to maintain enrage while spinning and sometimes the buff just ticks off while spinning.. where is that coming from?
inland flame
Unhinged makes you cast Bloodthirsts for free and they have a chance to enrage you
floral isle
also deft experience will make bloodthirst add a second to your enrage with 2 points half a second with 1
fervent turtle
kk
supple tangle
It has probably been answered but what effect on the belt are we supposed to use as Fury?
storm birch
Hey, i got a question! In the Single Target opener I have to overcap on rage and...
Most likely because using RB after bladestorm is a very small dmg optimization for the slaughtering strikes talent. Also if you don’t get an enrage reset during bladestorm you may unenrage. Not sure why someone would be bloodthristing right after bladestorm though. Could maybe be a leftover BT being thrown during bladestorm?
warm crag
on mythic mug i charged the boss during bulletstorm and charged PAST the boss
charge after the boss has rooted in place and started spinning
charge will try to predict your enemies movement and if the boss stops moving slightly after you charge you will overshoot
just a good thing to know abt how charge works if we get snap movement bosses like sark again
viral folio
can we put another socket on the new belt?
nevermind a little reading answered my question
slate mica
uneven furnace
Hey, to sim Gally MM, what fight style do you chose on raidbots as there are adds spawning several times? Patchwerk / Hectic Add Cleave / Cleave ads?
warm crag
Hey, to sim Gally MM, what fight style do you chose on raidbots as there are add...
St is the only metric that vaguely matters on that fight
waxen vine
I assume 691 is the max this week?
harsh fractal
I assume 691 is the max this week?
yes
waxen vine
thanks
uneven furnace
St is the only metric that vaguely matters on that fight
OK, thanks 🙏
median marsh
dos it matter if i do overcharged delves lvl 11 or 1?
turbid bay
is charged bolts going to be best on most raid fights this tier outside of maybe stix?
or should run the stat effect for most fights outside of sprocket?
snow edge
I’d imagine given how quickly adds die on most fights you’d be better off running bolts
turbid bay
yeah its a weird one
earnest canyon
Given that I can't login to wow for ages, is there a belt catch up or do you just get it at max level that week or what?
potent thicket
iirc there will be catchup just like with the ring in siren isle
sullen cloak
How do we sim the new belt and various slots/abilities?
earnest canyon
iirc there will be catchup just like with the ring in siren isle
Thanks
flat river
my character is ready
remote bobcat
my character is ready
i will report you to critcake
graceful dock
Is the Viscera trinket sims assuming you never stay below 35% health?
or how does it work with simming something like that
flat river
https://tenor.com/view/happy-cat-gif-26283306
bronze herald
how are we liking the belt gang
iron portal
Boring dps increase
pure breach
Yes it’s something related to blizzard
karmic fiber
Great, so its not my graphics card or something... @pure breach
pure breach
green textures/frames/icons is blizz client failing to load them. /reload is the way to fix it, and it's a blizzard issue and nothing to do with addons
karmic fiber
Yeah reload fixes them, game randomly freezes every now and then and just goes green
pure breach
pure breach
Yeah reload fixes them, game randomly freezes every now and then and just goes g...
Patch day bro 😎
karmic fiber
Small indie and such
clever path
@smoky vale
turbid gate
the bonus dmg from the belt is nowhere to be seen on my details, is it bugged?
median marsh
this is bis for the entire belt or just for this week?
karmic fiber
Can you farm a supercharged delve you already completed to get another ability on the belt?
fallow sparrow
the bonus dmg from the belt is nowhere to be seen on my details, is it bugged?
When I was testing on dummy it was proccing but not damaging them, outside of that worked fine while doing the new questline
fallow sparrow
Can you farm a supercharged delve you already completed to get another ability o...
Im fairly sure all the belt abilities are attached to certain delves, so if you are looking for a specific power you need to do the delve that drops that power
karmic fiber
Ahh, so just gotta wait till that one is supercharged then
fallow sparrow
I think you can get it without it being supercharged but not sure, can give it a try and see
pure breach
these are delve-only benefits right?
Yes
karmic fiber
@fallow sparrow Ill try once I get home
karmic fiber
Ooh nice nice, tty
median marsh
after opening the entire tree we get mount?
or after doing all delves as overcharge?
plush zephyr
So… I just sit here and spam the same overcharged shit until eberythings unlocked and never think about it again 
Honestly I don’t understand why they didn’t make Titan fragments idk drop from like m+ bosses or raid bosses
Crazy idea
Blizzard = wants to improve m+ and raid numbers. Blizzard = also forcing people to do this content that doesn’t matter (titles/parses/pride/stuff nerds care about)
sour frigate
where do i get quest for the belt?
iron portal
these are delve-only benefits right?
Yes
coarse nest
where do i get quest for the belt?
Mine didn’t pop up so I grabbed it from the suggested content tab of the adventure guide
whole yacht
where do i get quest for the belt?
Its by brann
gilded pawn
Blizzard = wants to improve m+ and raid numbers. Blizzard = also forcing people ...
nah
raid and m+ #s are not what they optimize for
especially not raid
they want those shit tier contents to have engagement to show the top "hey we have a lot of players engaging in casual content"
plush zephyr
It’s actually really funny seeing people funneling to the delve entrances that are overcharged
Also super bizarre looking on my friends list and everyone’s in a delve lol
coarse nest
I think they nailed it
For those who don’t really care you can get your belt and the effects you want in under an hour
For those who enjoy delving it’s a nice spice to change things up
whole yacht
^ i agree. I dont like delves. But for super casuals its good to have it in delves.
whole yacht
No reason to lock it behind raid or m+ effectively preventing anyone who does not do raid from ever getting it. And someone with 0 io has to fight for their lives to get into a 2 to do them? Nah delves was the right decision.
There's a reason ring was world content
whole yacht
If you are gamer you get it under 20 mins
I did it in 12
iron portal
Is 12 under 20?
iron portal
You are gamer without math brain
whole yacht
😦
iron portal
My my
glacial tundraBOT
Banned gio57
whole yacht
DAMN
violet condor
iron portal
DAMN
bitter palm
hoooly
iron portal
@snow nexus hahahaha
bitter palm
galatronk banned
remote bobcat
gio gone?
bitter palm
@smoky vale hi
whole yacht
Rip gio. Just wanted a gift code
remote bobcat
@smoky vale
bitter palm
Banned **gio57**
rip cro 🥀
snow nexus
scam/ad link
remote bobcat
so he did just troll
cuz its not his link
wadner gio is not one of those hacked fishing account people
snow nexus
i can unban
snow nexus
get them to ping me
remote bobcat
get them to ping me
wdym ping u?
wintry lake
But seemed like "obvious scam right there"
radiant plank
snow nexus
wdym ping u?
ping me if I banned you
remote bobcat
im me
clever belfry
gio fiveseven
remote bobcat
but he cant ping u if hes banned, can he
coarse nest
Damn gio banned!?
whole yacht
But seemed like "obvious scam right there"
Gio isn't the one that posted the link.
coarse nest
Gio is not a fishing scammer unless his account got hacked
I wasn’t here to see what he posted
wintry lake
Ah.
coarse nest
Gio57 is a real one
wintry lake
Someone flooded every chat with phone pictures of them "getting $2500~"
remote bobcat
oblique trail
five seven eco round
modest condor
rip gio
bitter palm
rip gio
coarse nest
rio gio
remote bobcat
@snow nexus did you ban gio despite him not being the one posting the link?
candid falcon
RIP
bitter palm
he just made the common joke ez my giftcard type shi
unborn delta
Free gio
coarse nest
Unban this man!
flat river
gg @smoky vale
coarse nest
Where’s Xan when you need em
remote bobcat
why can we ping gio despite him not being on this server
snow nexus
what is ID?
flat river
XD
remote bobcat
what is ID?
335579026259312641
remote bobcat
u need dev mode i think
clever belfry
five seven eco round
its quite powerful
snow nexus
don't be a dick
coarse nest
Understandable strays happen
snow nexus
please
remote bobcat
don't be a dick
its ok
smoky vale
remote bobcat
it happens
flat river
HES BACK
coarse nest
bitter palm
https://tenor.com/view/schnappi-das-kleine-krokodil-jump-hungry-try-to-eat-fly-c...
hooooly
coarse nest
He’s free
bitter palm
gio five seven
remote bobcat
don't be a dick
thank you for reading our messages in response and listening to us <3
snow nexus
thank you for reading our messages in response and listening to us <3
yeah it's not up to me but hope you have a goodtime
bitter palm
gio five seven
smoky vale
i couldnt ping because i just got evaporated
iron portal
ban him again
smoky vale
coarse nest
LOL
coarse nest
Gio sweat every message now the rest of the day
We had NA version of “witch belt effect is best”
Today is EU I’m looking forward to round 2
whole yacht
Lmao
candid falcon
healing effect :) obv
snow nexus
@edgy widget for the milestone
coarse nest
HAHA!
whole yacht
@edgy widget happy birth
snow nexus
(it's not his birthday)
coarse nest
It is now
modest condor
happy birthday @maiden copper
whole yacht
Well. We are here now
smoky vale
inb4 someone does the worst extreme
whole yacht
SOMEONE is getting a birthday
coarse nest
@smoky vale happy unban day!
smoky vale
<@335579026259312641> happy unban day!
coarse nest
He looks suspicious! 🤨
whole yacht
True
warm crag
Not unexpected for gio57 to get banned
coarse nest
Noober moment
dense elbow
Gio got back, after his long string of Steam Gift Card bots
Seems like the mods are hungry for more dollarinos
snow nexus
hello yes
dense elbow
snow nexus
big scams including social engineering using a i
if your mum wants a few extra dollars would be good to call her f irst
dense elbow
unreal onyx
does a delve have to be overcharged to get the belt bonus? the aoe one in azj-kahet isn't overcharged
dense elbow
Nop, as it says on the tooltip when you hower over it
dense elbow
Dont worry, it aint like reap procs. Ya wont be disapointed
whole yacht
BIG TRUE
quiet breach
should we still be using charged bolts on mythic mugzee even after they nerfed it?
dense elbow
It been nerfed since the #updates-midnight message?
remote bobcat
nerfed charged bolts? first time im hearing that
maiden copper
happy birthday <@174491249313579008>
?
modest condor
happy birthday
unreal onyx
happy birthday
arctic pivot
Try it and see, Lolxd
y i mean i cba redoing the belt quest
dense elbow
k
unreal onyx
Try it and see, Lolxd
I did find out how it works
gray cradle
Isn't here any info here on the disc belt in the FAQ or pinned comments somewhere? Or am I just an idiot who cant find it
unreal onyx
you mean #updates-midnight ?
gray cradle
you mean <#1234949058121171069> ?
Is that for fury or arms? or its the same?
unreal onyx
it shows both, no?
left arms ST/MT and right fury ST/MT
look at the 0.0%/baseline for the spec
unreal onyx
says so in the tooltip
arctic pivot
is it in the delve?
dense elbow
Get the belt, then hower over the different unlocks to see where to unlock em
unreal onyx
so you can go for specific discs
remote bobcat
it says it right there
coarse nest
You didn’t even remotely apply critical thinking if you simply ran a delve and then came here to ask why it didn’t give you the belt