fury

[hardy cargo]

Ive wanteed one awhile now but my work sched f'd my mythic raiding early in the tier so none for me

[limber oar]

im also a newfound HoC advocate

shit also cranks

[sinful spoke]

Gz king

[eternal sundial]

Correct keybind

[hardy cargo]

The first button press naturally goes on 1

[robust basin]

Raid rep still bugged?

[eternal sundial]

My DK has breath on 1

Idk 1 is like Q

Decent keybind but not goated like 233erfxc

[hardy cargo]

Ive still got all 6 movement keys bound like a freak

[hardy cargo]

Holy chad

[eternal sundial]

Unhinged

Do you ever use the turn keys

[hardy cargo]

Only when in like running around doing random shit

Like tmog farming while doing something with mouse hand like eating

Or running around the city

Never in combat or keys or anything tho

[sullen dove]

is it normal the gally cones give you like a 500 million heal absorb

i did liek 150% of my hp in healing with ER bs and IV and still didnt see unabsorbed health after all that

checked on logs i did like 19 mil healing in 8 seconds

[limber oar]

Are you also caught in healer soak

[sullen dove]

this is like p2 ones

the cones

but idk

dont think im cleaving circles

[limber oar]

O thise

[sullen dove]

maybe tahts idk

[limber oar]

Ya idk

Honestly i try not to get hit by anything in that phase except ego-ing suppression at max melee distance

Spell reflect + dstance boss does 0 dmg

[eternal sundial]

Hps log farming

[sullen dove]

what boss u fightin huh

i been tryin it

both dstance and reflect and its still like 60% of my hp

[limber oar]

Ok 0 dmg is uh

[sullen dove]

theoretically liveable but dont wanna use that shit right before my soak

[limber oar]

A lie

O ya if youre soaking you prob dont

Im backup so i just ego each one and tell my fave healer to parse on me after every suppression

Figured its better to let a healer know youre ginna take 60-70% hp in that moment

[light eagle]

during supression?

[storm birch]

Got gally 4% tonight. Better luck next week 😭😭

[undone flower]

If only we had a spell to heal 30% of our hp

I need to take maximum suppression damage as possible, it is my goal

[sudden tusk]

HELL WORLD

[warm crag]

Gallybrouzoufs

[compact knot]

new charge tech HELLO ???

it doesnt work on retail though

only classic

so its like irrelevant

LMFAOOOOO

[south kayak]

What is that

[compact knot]

shadowstep but with charge

that is classic btw, not a private server

its some dumbass macro that just blinks you ontop of a mob

its a bannable offense so im not gonna do it anymore

it just logs you out on retail so

[hardy cargo]

wouldnt have expected someone to be playing sod in this day and age

[opal monolith]

wrong chat lmao

[compact knot]

It was more to test the shadowstep charge

That warrior is not max level

[hardy cargo]

it does however have those badass sunken temple crafted shoulders 🙂

[compact knot]

I only played peak sod

[undone flower]

It smells too much sod knowledge over here

[hardy cargo]

I played it until naxx

wish i had played the last raid

[rustic scarab]

hey guys, I can't get my bladestorm to allign with recklesness while playing anger management. No idea what i'm doing wrong, recklesness always stays like 20 seconds behind bladestorm, any tips?

[hardy cargo]

thats normal

theyre the same cd, and bs has extra shit reducing the cd of it

in addition to AM

[rustic scarab]

the thing is, my timing for let's say the adds on Gallywix MM gets all wrong and I see videos of people that have it ligned up for all of them and mine just gets more and more missalligned

bladestorm comes always on time but no recklesness

[summer quail]

you just hold bladestorm for the adds. should be able to get reck up in time as well

[hardy cargo]

I havent played mythic- but watch his energy I think they spawn at 100% energy

so you more or less have a timer to see if you can fit bs in

if not hold like mutou said

[rustic scarab]

I do hold it, bladestorm is not the problem, just the fact that recklesness is missmatched with the adds spawn, and I just waste so much dps if I only bs

[hardy cargo]

then if you know avatar wont be up on the add spawns hold reck too

[rustic scarab]

haha thanks, I'll take a look at logs and see what people do

[warm crag]

How early do you kick gally after pull

[flat river]

Good morning guys

[warm crag]

If you kick too early i felt like i couldnt catch up with reck cdr until 3rd adds

[undone flower]

Adds on Gallywix technically don’t spawn, they are always there, but it’s more how fast you kick like spongie says

[rustic scarab]

ahh so maybe we have "too much dps" is what you are saying and that's why

[undone flower]

(Our Boomie sometime pulled the next add during prog lel)

[warm crag]

Do you kick as soon as the boss is kickable?

[rustic scarab]

yes, just as soon as it can be kicked, we do it

[heavy galleon]

I'm curious to know how much give belt now 🤔

[warm crag]

Ye no thats not good

[rustic scarab]

we are in progress, it's first kill

[undone flower]

It’s like in heroic, you kick the longest healers can hold

[undone flower]

Progress usually want to free lower boss hp

[rustic scarab]

ah ok, that's interesting

[undone flower]

The boss just spin

You can lower 5% of his hp

[warm crag]

You want to kick at a specific Timing for healer and 90s cds

[rustic scarab]

but when I hit the dummy my bladestorm not alligning with recklesness is normal then, yes?

[undone flower]

Yes

[rustic scarab]

thanks all, i'll look at our logs and talk to our rl about the kick

[undone flower]

I think the only « too much dps » moment on that thing is if you break the shield in less than 15 sec and you prot pal auto cast his avenger shield

[rustic scarab]

haha that's exactly what happens most of the time now that I see it in logs but others kick it as well. we kick it around the 25-30 seconds after we start the fight

[undone flower]

It’s not the auto cast of the ppal then, but the general idea is you just kick before it becomes lethal

[rustic scarab]

I see, I see, how long would you say you start kicking in your guild?

[undone flower]

And the shield breaks at ?

On my kill we kicked at 28 sec, I could cd every sets

Except third maybe bc I wanted to cd 4th

[rustic scarab]

mm then I must be just bad haha

[rustic scarab]

I'll take a look at it later, thank you so much for the help

[summer quail]

on our last rekill we kicked at 23 sec. had reck for all adds

[undone flower]

My bs casts

Reck (I avatar to have reck on bs at 1:41)

(I usually don’t hold bs)

And what I did with that / lil bit over 3.7m

[iron portal]

TEMPETE

[summer quail]

roi du chrome

[undone flower]

Go ahead and mock the French names

[radiant plank]

Gigabombee

[summer quail]

gigabobines

[undone flower]

The funny one to me as French is GALLYBROUZOUF and Barrage de bombes bigrement balèzes

[last sparrow]

how do we go about simming belt btw? since its not in raidbots yet

[remote bobcat]

LMAOPAAAHAHAHAHHAHAA

[undone flower]

Sybau, send ein deutsche log bitte

[remote bobcat]

i dont log in german

wait someone else made one in my heroic boost

1sec

nvm it got defaulted to english

uhhh

yea no clue

[undone flower]

You dare talk bad, it’s gallykies-finalschlag

[remote bobcat]

nah thats infinitely better than french

french and polish have the worst written language

in the entire world

its so shit

[undone flower]

Oh brouzouf is not a real word, it is an old joke word to say money

[remote bobcat]

which makes it real

[sturdy crown]

If we remove France from the universe, the world would be a better place

[remote bobcat]

thats a bit overkill innit

[sturdy crown]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/914508501697576990/1314542204722741248/caption.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1279939366684332042/1326991857972019211/attachment.gif

[undone flower]

Part of the joke is the ridiculous pronunciation of the word

[remote bobcat]

as per usual in french

[undone flower]

Btw in other corners of Germany schlag is also a word for certain types of ppl ?

[remote bobcat]

no

schlag just means hit

[undone flower]

So Finalschlag is even funnier bc I’m French

[remote bobcat]

just means final hit

🤷‍♂️

[undone flower]

Schlag doesn’t mean hit in French

Borrowed from the German Schlag (“blow”), from schlagen (“to beat”).
(Common noun 2) A connection has been made with the Frenchified German word schlinguer (“to stink”)[1]. Originally, the word meant “human rag,” then this physical meaning shifted to a moral meaning.

[golden hare]

🤓

[thick fossil]

@sudden tusk We're in the same bout with Sprocket. We clear every other boss and run out of time to finish off Sprocket. Thankfully 99% of our team has the kill already.

[remote bobcat]

yea no its just dumb

[fleet pasture]

yes it does: ein schlag von mensch

[iron portal]

I cant laugh that much because after learning that language for years, not many things come off as funny

Baguette du magique still cracks me up though

[plush maple]

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA These names! GigaBUMM! Schattenwort: Tod! Zickzacker

[remote bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/urvtek-tic-tac-gif-5188649411408758386

[chrome plover]

gigaBUMM

[undone flower]

Now I want to see Italian names

Bombardini Gallawicci

[dense orbit]

True

[whole yacht]

half the words are ridiculous to prounounce.

[plush zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/apex-vitality-apex-vitality-dance-victory-gif-24096981

No respect to the French Goats

[dense elbow]

Omelette du fromage

[gilded pawn]

Is frappe mortelle French

[dense orbit]

Yes

Mortal strike

[thick fossil]

German translations of in game stuff makes it sound like a horror game.

It's a beautiful language though, maybe I'm just jaded by Rammestein lyrics.

[clever belfry]

fr*nch

[clever belfry]

out of all things

rammstein lyrics

[dense orbit]

Wer wartet mit Besonnenheit

[bitter palm]

frappe mortelle

sounds like a drink

[bitter palm]

kennys

[thick fossil]

Rammstein is a great band. Have some seriously dark lyrics, but certainly awesome rockers.

[winter shoal]

Anda you gotta understand that americans' exposure to the german language is 99% rammstein and nazis in ww2 movies

Assuming Osaliske is american ofc

[clever belfry]

yeah and its fucking dreadful

from what ive seen americans seem to overwhelmingly think all of germany is like bavaria too

for ref, this is like us thinking all of the US is texas

[winter shoal]

Okay but that's 100% what people do

[smoky vale]

my exposure ot german

is schnappi and like 1 rammstein song

[winter shoal]

German people's idea of the US is literally just NY, CA, and everything between is TX

Which is like not too far off reality

[clever belfry]

its especially pronounced for americans as a big portion of the american occupation zone after WW2 was bavaria

so many of the pop culture things in the latter half of the 20th century was just

bavaria

[winter shoal]

Me when Oktoberfest

[clever belfry]

7

[thick fossil]

I'm Canadian, and my exposure to German language was a boss I had at a textile company. Every time she was angry she would revert to German. She also taught me a lot of German while I worked there though.

[winter shoal]

Canadian is basically American right

[thick fossil]

No

[winter shoal]

(I've never been to Canada)

[clever belfry]

cold USA

(true)

[winter shoal]

Real

[thick fossil]

Canada to USA, is like Norway to Iceland.

[winter shoal]

That probably would make sense if I knew anything about either of those countries

[whole yacht]

Canada is like USA little sibling but neither sibling likes the other

[thick fossil]

Siblings of the same mother, just different dads.

And yeah, hate each other 95% of the time. The other 5 is for either hockey or some other sport.

[whole yacht]

nah they hate each other MORE for hockey

USA shit on canada recently in hockey, but USA also came out swinging within the first few SECONDS of the game. literally swinging. fights started immediately

[thick fossil]

Yeah, but it's still a loving hockey relationship. Just very competitive. It's kind of why I laugh when ppl make a big stink about Canadian and US NHL teams.

Like dude, there are more Canadians on US teams than Americans usually.

[sage smelt]

USA definitely doesn't hate Canada, don't let the MAGATs skew your opinion. I live in Michigan and we absolutely adore Canadians.

[whole yacht]

it is impossible to speak for every individual american

dont take my words as me speaking for every american

i dont hate canadians either

but there is VERY REAL animosity between the 2 countries. deny such is ignorant. this doesnt mean EVERY citizens feels the same way

[thick fossil]

I don't hate Americans either, and Florida man makes me laugh.

[whole yacht]

i am born and raised in florida

it is hilarious that other people only get stories or memes of florida man, but its a very real thing lmao

[thick fossil]

Yeah, lol

They're like the reason warning labels are put on sooooo many things.

[whole yacht]

no thats californians

[limber oar]

I was born and raised in florida

I saw a crackhead in the streets after work 2 days ago

Florida Man is a very real phenomenon

[whole yacht]

i see that nearly every day, as a tradesman, i get sent to the bad parts of town a lot

[thick fossil]

Hmm, I can certainly see California being the reason hair spray cans have the warning "do not put in microwave."

[limber oar]

Dude was breakdancing/spazzing out i couldnt really tell

[whole yacht]

now what i dont see every day, and what caught me off guard, was a couple weeks ago i saw a grown man, squated in the streets, shittin on the sidewalk

[limber oar]

But idk most people like canada from my experience

[thick fossil]

Methheads man, they're branching out everywhere these days.

[limber oar]

I have many canadian friends

[whole yacht]

i also saw an alligator chillin by a pond the other day

[limber oar]

I saw a dude walking down the street carrying an iguana like a baby a couple weeks back

[whole yacht]

maybe 4 feet long

[thick fossil]

If you're from Florida, I don't recommend going any further north than Ottawa.

[whole yacht]

i like the cold

10 degrees is shorts and t-shirt weather

[thick fossil]

Yeah, it do be like that.

0° C and we're like, "Fine day for a rip buds."

[chilly fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/the-californians-fred-armisen-bill-hader-kristen-wiig-snl-gif-23667909

[whole yacht]

thats my comfortable weather

[thick fossil]

Not so good when you're barreling across the open waters, but yeah. It can be nice.

I'd also prefer the -40° in NWT or Yukon, vers the -20° of Onatrio.
Dry cold is much easier to tolerate than wet cold.

[fickle cedar]

at least you got some cold there, im dying here in spain with the heat and its not even summer yet

[winter shoal]

Where I live is perma 100% humidity year round and it's rough

Walk outside in the summer and you feel like you're swimming

[oblique pond]

how much of a dps increase is the new belt going to be?

[winter shoal]

🔮

We don't know yet, tuning still in progress

[oblique pond]

https://tenor.com/view/frodo-keep-your-secrets-alright-then-lotr-gif-12907121

[winter shoal]

as of a couple days ago, not all of the mods were even working on PTR #fury message

[thick fossil]

I wonder what kind of BS last minute turning warrior will end up getting.

[dense elbow]

Slam damage increased by 250%

[thick fossil]

Prolly some other blindfolded dartboard result.

[dense elbow]

Onslaught damage increased by 10%

[modest condor]

sidearm buffed by 25%

[thick fossil]

Sadly, that sounds like something they would actually do.

[remote bobcat]

Wrecking throw nerfed by 500%

[dense elbow]

Stop that

:(

too real

[modest condor]

roar dot is now also soft capped at 5

[thick fossil]

Didn't they already gut that for PvP?

[modest condor]

yes

[dense elbow]

Nah, silm

Roar dam now is pure split

[modest condor]

even better

[thick fossil]

I was talking about wrecking throw not roar.

[modest condor]

me too

[remote bobcat]

Can someone tell me why mugzee add takes bonus dmg

Ive been a hater since day 1

[thick fossil]

Hmmm? They're invul until the finger gun pops their bubble.

[orchid dagger]

They gut everything on brown class

But yeah Roar is pretty much only good in PvP

And mostly because of Battlefield Commander carrying the fuck outta it

This class fucking blows for PvE

[charred relic]

do u thunder clap in ST as thane

[marble pilot]

Lowest priority but yeah

[charred relic]

is execute any good again?

[marble pilot]

As thane I dont even have execute bound

[winter shoal]

You still TC over exe as thane in ST

[charred relic]

[marble pilot]

But I hit tclap if I end up with an open global.

[thick fossil]

Or if you have two stacks of blast.

[marble pilot]

Well I dont consider it tclap if its blast. But I guess it is the same keybind

[orchid dagger]

Yeah it's janky

[charred relic]

Yea i meant just clap, i figured you always blast

[thick fossil]

I tried Thane on Rik Reverb, felt so ass.

[marble pilot]

Kinda like for shamans. I dont consider tempest to be lightning bolt.
And I like Thane any time I get an excuse to use it

But thats cause I grew up playing WC3 custom games and mountain thane is the best hero in there

Thane is pretty easy which I like as well. Dont gotta think much. Its just Tblast whenever you can. Rampage whenever you can. Raging blow unless the bloodthirst weakaura makes a noise. Fill with whatever if you cant do any of those.

I guess Slayer is basically the same but you add in execute whenever teh weakaura makes a noise lol

[winter shoal]

I think barrels just die too fast for thane to be relevant

[fading sky]

Y just slay

[coarse nest]

I have zero opportunity to slay barrels even as fury

To many aoe padders

[winter shoal]

HUH just bladestorm

Only like devoker and sub rogue can out burst that

maybe aff idk how that spec works

[coarse nest]

Yeah I Bladestorm and get like 3-4 globals after and then they’re dead

I managed a 97 a few weeks ago but was just extreme barrel luck and having Bladestorm ready

[cosmic sundial]

Would Thane with bs work on Rik? Yeah we take ravager to build up bt crits but with them dying so fast

[limber oar]

Slayer buffs bladestorm dmg and refunds the cd

So i imagine no

Seems counterintuitive

[limber oar]

Thane also used ravager cause it lets you using thunderblast while the BT’s are getting cast by ravager

So you dont overcap on tblasts

So bladestorm also defeats that purpose

[winter shoal]

Why tho

Slayer more non-barrel damage, and immdem means your BS probably nukes barrels more too

You gain TB but you're gonna get one of those per barrel set so like who cares

[limber oar]

You can maybe cheese casting 2-4 per barrel set

2-3*

[winter shoal]

If your barrels are lasting long enough for you to get 3 TBs off, your guild is either trolling or funneling your parse

[limber oar]

by doing like save tblast for barrel spawn->cast->avatar->instacast tblast again-> hope the barrels arent desd by 3rd cast

But who cares like just play Slayer and BS

[winter shoal]

At which point you're better off playing slayer anyways probably

[limber oar]

Ya im agreeing with you

Thane is trolling

But thats like the only reasonable way it could function

And thats legitimately for 1 barrel set before intermission

And you MAYBE get a 2nd chance after

[undone flower]

You could have just avatar + bladestorm in the same timing

[limber oar]

Ya like i said

I think its dumb af LOL

Im just pointing out the single instance where you have a mild chance at doing something but its still pretty ass

[undone flower]

Nah just switch thane in raid only for stix for the rest of season

[limber oar]

I was gonna drop a nuke in stix but i got ball with all cds up

The devil on my shoulder was telling me to run into the boss but we needed to finish reclear

And stix parses are fake af

[undone flower]

They got back up before you got balls or during balls ? You can just throw them before going tbf

[limber oar]

Right as i was going in iirc

Was 2nd to last sort of the kill so w/e was pretty cooked

[ember apex]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/illidan/carlo/

why is my character upside down on my armory?

[winter shoal]

Even bigger question:

[ember apex]

its what simmed the best for me

idk what to tell u

i simmed mythic kezans and the seaforium one

this simmed better

[winter shoal]

Crazy work but maybe the robot is cooking

[ember apex]

idk i just do what it said, i know what bloodmallet says but i chose to follow sims, idk

[coarse nest]

There’s no way

[ember apex]

idk maybe kezans is better now, but its not better than jastor diamond which was +55k dps over my crafted vers/mast ring

when i simmed my char it said to use dinar on signet

for single target*

[thick fossil]

Yeah, pretty much.

[coarse nest]

You actually used dinar on signet!?

[ember apex]

thats what my sims said to do back then

yeah

i literally simmed every option

[coarse nest]

Man that’s wild

[ember apex]

yeah idk

[coarse nest]

I think I still would have bought the eventual bis items

[ember apex]

i thought it was weird too but yeah

i think bis bis was jastor and capital punisher and we were still in prog

and i wasnt gonna buy heroic track

last night we killed gally and jastor was by far the largest dps increase

i think kezans was like +22-25k and jastor was +55k

[coarse nest]

Slots/jastor/hoc/pacemaker

I think generally those are the only reasonable options if you have no rare items

[winter shoal]

Delve trinkets kinda pipe too

and LnS

[coarse nest]

If you have extra dinars then an eye or punisher probably

I got the heroic energy drink the other day

Wonder how it sims vs pace

Probably not that well since I’m already above the mastery DR

[limber oar]

I became a firm believer in myth HoC and locknstalk last night during reprog

[coarse nest]

Oh yeah that one too

Locknstalk goes pretty hard too

[marble pilot]

Heroic raider here. I just run HoC and Seaforium. I have a reverb radio and eye as well. But meh.

[winter shoal]

Eye for heroic is pretty troll

Fights too short

HoC and pacemaker probably good

[limber oar]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VK1kxanMWTQ9bCwF?fight=91&type=damage-done&source=391

[coarse nest]

Cool thing about heroic raiding is you could equip both darkmoon decks and still kill all the bosses

[limber oar]

Literally did 6% of my dmg not counting the haste

It trucks

[marble pilot]

Yeah only fight that makes the min timer is gally.
Not all of us are pulling our weight lol. Fairly casual group.

[quiet breach]

passed my trial 😄

CE in my first tier raiding mythic inc

[limber oar]

People take it to cheese parses by resetting bad kezan rng

[limber oar]

Gz was me last season

[coarse nest]

Mine was sarkereth 😏

[eternal sundial]

sark for me too

[marble pilot]

Not wrong. Our team is a mix of semi retired ce raiders. And their spouses and random other mostly chill people. We end up with like 3-4 people in the 90%plus parse every kill and others at just above 10%.
So min maxing the good players is useful still.

[limber oar]

We've concluded the polls about OAB and Mug'Zee adds and will make the following changes, effective with the next partition coming next reset when 11.1.7 launches:

• OAB: no ASP removal - all damage done to adds except Reel Assistants will be discounted, as per 23% of the votes
  • ASP removal was the second highest option voted for with 20%, with the rest being way behind (12%, 7%)
• Mug'Zee: all damage done to Mk II Electro Shocker adds will be discounted, as per 35% of the votes
  • all other options were far behind (9%, 9%, 7%)

Boy o boy

The chinese parse chasing guilds are in shambles

[coarse nest]

Good I’m happy with those outcomes

You should not be able to spawn packages first so that you can pad on them the whole fight

That was just stupid, respectfully

[winter shoal]

idk I think there's some legitimate skill expression in intentionally making the boss harder (or at least the strat more complicated) and still killing it

I don't really care that much tho

New partition was gonna be kind of chalked anyways, mostly bc the 11.1.5 partition was so chalked

Not doing a new partition for turbo boost was certainly a choice

We're like 10-15 ilvl higher and like 9% raid buff higher than logs from the start of the 11.1.5 partition so current logs are giga inflated

Realistically I think the only change for warriors is you play slayer on OAB now

[coarse nest]

I already was

[slate sun]

Hey guys, with Best-in-Slots, do you send it every 30 seconds or hold it for your non-avatar recklessness

[coarse nest]

Well it has 2 minute cooldown

[slate sun]

Sorry i meant after 30 seconds

[coarse nest]

So send it your 2nd reck

Yes

[undone flower]

I already was playing slayer oab before turbo boost / on my first kill

[slate sun]

Oki thanks, and do you chance know what equip slot your MH is? So i can macro it

[undone flower]

I don’t look to pad on prog usually

[coarse nest]

16 mh / 17 oh

[slate sun]

Tyvm

[coarse nest]

Goodluck!

[winter shoal]

Make sure you do /use [combat] 16 or else the /use will switch it to int mode if you're outside of combat

[slate sun]

Ohh shit thanks

[clever path]

@smoky vale i dont carry a gun i drive

🚙

[slate sun]

I know this is wrong channel but since I asked; do you know the opportune time to press it during arms? During a CS/bladestorm?

Or a stacked cleave / CS in M+

[winter shoal]

I think during CS for slarms, ravager for col

Not really sure tho

[limber oar]

During CS thats not tied to yiur in-use trinket

Imo

[slate sun]

Yeah you wouldn’t be able to anyway

[limber oar]

Its a bit nuanced but if you have BiS up and CS up and plenty of time before next Avatar+trinket to not delay the trinket

Thats when i send anyways

Generally line it up with demolish too

In a first pull in a key where yiu can get 2 demolishs off you should see how it lines up well with 2nd CS+Demolish

[slate sun]

Yeah I think M+ would be more situational, as a 2 min CD would be meh to just send it on a CS in slayer, maybe stack with BS or sweeping

[limber oar]

With slayer arms its just CS plus bladestorm id imagine

But i dont play slayer arms enough to call that

[slate sun]

Yeah I’ll have a muck with timers, on pull with BL you should have your 2nd CS up as the 20 second cd comes off on use

[limber oar]

Not should

100%

i experience it every first pull with BL

[slate sun]

Yeah, probs just do that but I’ll check some logs and see what others do also

Thanks for the input

[bronze abyss]

Do i continue to raging blow even if it means I overcap rage if I have Brutal Finish?

[tardy lark]

yes

realistically thats 2 or 3

[winter shoal]

But only if you don't need to rampage to refresh enrage, and you don't have to exe for its conditions

[tardy lark]

you can rb till enrage runs out, as enrage is applied again before rampage damage

as in: pressing rampage enrages you and then does damage

[winter shoal]

Right I meant you should not send un-enraged RBs just to stack SS

Native english speaker btw

[dense elbow]

Wonder how much DPS I "lose" when I do RB 4 times

5 stack rampage just hits different, ya know

3 stack just dont scratch that same itch

basic ramp for scale

[cosmic sundial]

@dense elbow In your opener when playing slayer of, do you bs>roar>of , bs>of>roar , or of>roar>bs ?

[fleet palm]

hello, i would like some assistance, i seem to be underperforming on alot of the dungeons i play, and i cant even fathom to compare my dmg to my teammates, these are my details (this is theater of pain keep in mind, but here the rest of the dps are down 10 ilvl)

[cosmic sundial]

Do you have a log? I don't know many people who will be able to help without being able to see your actions during the dungeon

[dense elbow]

Roar-OF, storm, for ease.

Roar, storm, OF does a tiny bit more dam. But ya gotta pre pre-enraged. Something that could happen if you just stacked up your demise stacks pre-pull

[fleet palm]

im afraid i dont have logs, i am not familiar with it

[cosmic sundial]

and this is all after hitting rampage as first global after charging?

correct?

[dense elbow]

I usually just waddle behind tank, as opener will do itself either way

[cosmic sundial]

I would run a dungeon and make a log and then post in #1347646810457636974

[whole yacht]

maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

was doing a 14 workshop. going amazing. was at 2nd boss. tank dc's

keys dead

[cosmic sundial]

I tend to stand far back and charge in with my macro lol

[dense elbow]

Let me do this:

1. are your ilvl maxed? If no, fix that first.
2. are you sending CDs on CD? If no, fix that first.
3. you got rotation on lockdown from the guide? If no, fix that first.

In 99% of cases, when someone ask, they aren't even fully geared. Gear matter a lot.

[dense elbow]

Kujo DC takes another one

Seen like 3 tanks this week DC on Kujo

[fleet palm]

well not maxxed, i am sitting atm at 670

[glad fox]

anyone get bored by this class

[sudden tusk]

yeah that boss is terible

[whole yacht]

we never even pulled it

got TO it

tank internet dies

[cosmic sundial]

blasphemy

[dense elbow]

Once you are 680, most things should feel a lot better, that is what 8-9% more dam, if not more - as you start to optimize.

Just focus on the list I gave, then if things aint working when all those 3 are answered with a "I fixed that", come back with a log and we can break things down to see what is going on (or not, usually in that case).

[dense elbow]

🫂

[whole yacht]

im genuinely so sad

[fleet palm]

also my standard rotation is> sending recklessness avatar, charge, ravager, rampage, clap, roar, rampage (since i have rage again) and start building my bloodthirst stacks till i get to 855

[whole yacht]

im trying to get all 14's sub 660 ilvl

and that happens

[dense elbow]

Sounds very doable tho, ya got it next run

[whole yacht]

we are gonna run it back on 13

[fleet palm]

okok thanks alot

[whole yacht]

and try the 15

[dense elbow]

Do, or do not. There is no try.

[whole yacht]

true

[final eagle]

Still no sims for new belt on fury?

[winter shoal]

Last I heard 3 days ago some of the mods still didn't work on PTR

So kinda hard to sim something that doesn't work in game

Thanks blizzard 🙃

[limber oar]

Im a sprocket enjoyer LOL

[tardy lark]

its ok to be wrong

[limber oar]

My guild killed it relatively fast but then for the next 2 weeks we tried reclearing it and it ended up taking like 1.5x the pulls it took to clear it to first time to clear it 2 more times

[tardy lark]

just dont share it with the class

[limber oar]

Maybe im just sadistic at this point

[winter shoal]

Sprocket kinda fun

If the boss movement wasn't so janky it'd be better but that might just be a tank diff

[summer quail]

sprocket 2nd best fight this raid

[winter shoal]

Behind what

I kinda fuck with cauldron but that's bc it's easy and I can just do dam

[summer quail]

gally. yea it was easy for an endgame boss but i still enjoyed it

[winter shoal]

Gally was fine, a little underwhelming but I also skipped all of prog on it

Don't know if I'd really call it a fun boss to fight though

[whole yacht]

timed the 13

but they all left after 😦

on anothyer note. anyone for a 14 cinderbrew? 😄

[torpid cypress]

should i just buy a seaforium + jastor once we kill gally or just wait for jastor+eye and i already have eye heroic

[whole yacht]

jastor seaforium

once prog is done eye is mid

its only good for like 2 fights

[summer quail]

i mean what do you plan to do? push m+ and raid? only raid etc?

answer depends on that

[torpid cypress]

i guess once myth gally is down probly neither mostly gear startup for next season

[whole yacht]

definitely not eye then.

[torpid cypress]

but myth eye wont be more worth it for early next season than seaforium?

[whole yacht]

do you expect your guild to take 5-8 minutes on heroic bosses?

[torpid cypress]

probly not on heroic and i guess pretty much any heroic trinket next tier will still be better than eye for myth raid

[whole yacht]

🙂

[dense elbow]

The 17 grin as PuG, is a true grind

[whole yacht]

brother

no one wants my 650 for a 14

i dont know why

[dense elbow]

Well, the options are 684 chadicus, 8/8 mythic, 3.7k rio

or you

[whole yacht]

3.7k queuing to a 14?

Doubt

[dense elbow]

Doubting Chadicus is your folley

[whole yacht]

Also. Im on my hunter rn. So just like infinitely better than fury

[dense elbow]

No joke that, my MM does 1m more dps ish than my Fury

[whole yacht]

My 650 mm matches my 670 warrior in dps. Or slightly beats it around 4m dps

3.7-4m

Very balanced game

[dense elbow]

wait for 680, when it is 5-6m vs 4-5m

[whole yacht]

Yeah

[dark rain]

Hello my wife just started wow and is playing fury she is currently ilvl 620 and started to do Heroic dungeon and lfr do you have a build variant to recommand ?

[winter shoal]

Check the wowhead guide, lots of builds there that are all good to use 🙂

[dense elbow]

Already said, but yeah. They are super sprout friendly

[dark rain]

So anything oriented M+ or more delves/open world ?

[dense elbow]

You can start off with just using the M+ build everywhere

Will get the job done

[winter shoal]

The mountain thane M+ build is also pretty good for delves and open world yeah

[dark rain]

perfect , thank you very much

[torpid cypress]

i do about as much on 658 ret than my 682 fury

[dense elbow]

Hf and happy adventures!

[torpid cypress]

we need fury cap removed

[dark rain]

reading you guys it looks like fury is underperforming 😦

[torpid cypress]

for raid its awsome

[dense elbow]

Time for you to optimise your gear and rotation, cause that doesn't sound right.

[torpid cypress]

my avg parse is 98 in raid so i guess in fine rotation wise

[dense elbow]

How are you doing in m+ per bracket?

[torpid cypress]

3 to 4m overal

depend on raid

[dark rain]

Is hekili addon a good tool to learn Fury rotation ?

[dense elbow]

'learning' sure, but you can just wait a bit and the blizz rotation helper comes out

Next week isnt it?

[dark rain]

yeah next patch

[torpid cypress]

hekilli is probly decent dps overal but i dont think you rly learn your rotation from it you just pretty much go auto mode w/o learning why your doing the ability

[winter shoal]

Fury is perfectly fine, people just doom in every discord

[dense elbow]

Well, we are underperforming in certain types of content levels. But it wont matter for 99.9%

So I wouldnt worry, if you dont know why you should worry

[torpid cypress]

play fury because its fun not because its meta

[dense elbow]

^ This

I even play scuffed Fury, and I am doing 17 keys atm. So dont sweat it.

(buff OF another 60% tho, I beg)

[dark rain]

wife started 2 weeks ago , and she doesnt like try hard content . i believe she'll be fine

[dense elbow]

She will prob love it

Fury is great for everything other than the top 0.1%, and I mean great great

[winter shoal]

Hekili is a good tool to allow you to perform well while you're learning - it can help you learn if you use it for that, but it'll also let you just play without a ton of thought if you want it to

[torpid cypress]

you just gotta faceroll your keyboard

otherwhise its fun

[dense elbow]

I would not recommend hekili, when it is getting booted next patch tho

[winter shoal]

It's not getting booted tho

Not yet at least

[plush zephyr]

Hekili isn’t optimal, no @dark rain

[dense elbow]

Oh? See no reason to use it when blizz got it inbuilt, but - I am not a hekili kind of guy

[plush zephyr]

Tried it out on dummies and what it wants sometimes is weird

[winter shoal]

She's doing heroic dungeons bro optimal does not matter even a little bit

[dense elbow]

Context matters ^^

[plush zephyr]

I read the context lol

[dense elbow]

I would just wait for blizz thing tho, as it is inbuilt and works nicely

[dark rain]

she wont go past +10 in m+ dungeon and she is playing on controller

[plush zephyr]

Oh hell yeah

[dense elbow]

Controller gamer

[dark rain]

she just doesnt want tobe behind tank

[dense elbow]

She will be for a bit, but as long she gets used to the core rotation ideas, it will change shortly.

[whole yacht]

you can customize priority

[plush zephyr]

Hekili will tell you to interrupt and stuff too

I mean, sure fuck it it’s good to learn on why not

As long as she’s having fun that’s all that matters

[whole yacht]

turn that off. tbh. interrupt and trinket usage being left on is going to mess it up.

[dense elbow]

Just mash buttons, have fun, things will pan out

[dark rain]

smash controller > dps goes up , noted !

[dense elbow]

Aint top DPS before it is halfway into the TV

Reduces input lag

[dark rain]

if our 9months old baby help to smash does she 99% parse ?

[dense elbow]

I wouldnt say it would be impossible to parse 99

back to the mines

[whole yacht]

oh yeah

we love to see it

[sour frigate]

Hey u

Boost me

[fluid cedar]

i like your key babe the big ones hurt

[dense elbow]

Go back to your 19s and leave me alone

[thick fossil]

Imagine bothering to play M+,
edit: stupid auto correct

[remote bobcat]

image

[chilly fractal]

Image

[sour frigate]

I geared ench.

[remote bobcat]

i love when people call enhancement enchantment

you cutte lil buggo

[sour frigate]

[remote bobcat]

such a cutie

https://tenor.com/view/pat-pat-pat-cry-pat-sad-sad-gif-25135163

[plush zephyr]

They could totally be enchanted just in June and blast rainbows

I’d be down

[quiet breach]

nah it doesnt have second wind which is broken in delves and open world

[quiet breach]

using m+ build is fine but for open world/delve retalent to second wind its giga op for that

[marble pilot]

Now that 11.1.7 is coming in a few days season 3 ptr should start up right? Like within a month for sure?

[sullen dove]

Probably within a month yes

would assume sooner

since it prolly launches in like a month and a half maybe 2

[slim coral]

next week is when ptr news or the wowcast should drop

ptr could also launch next week thursday

[marble pilot]

Not that it effects me much. I dont really do testing. But it is fun to see the balance changes/dungeon rotation/set bonus. And specualte on the raid

[slim coral]

I enjoy testing trinkets the most on ptr

before numbers come out

[marble pilot]

When I was a CE raider I used to do it. Now ill just read tooltips and trust you guys

[indigo quarry]

you can trust tooltip

they are just poorly written

and read our horseshit

because its passionate

[marble pilot]

Yeah tooltips can be hard to read sometimes. Or know how good a proc based one is. Could proc once every 4 minutes or twice in 10 seconds.

[slim coral]

surely razor coral 2.0

[indigo quarry]

sometimes you do get the extrem RNG

but you dont notice when its flattened out

when you are starved you just cry

[summer quail]

fatality on top of our fatality

[slim coral]

🙏

[marble pilot]

I more mean that the rppm isnt always obvious. Is that even still a thing or are procs more normalized now

I hope we get some more aoe fights this coming tier. I know in mythic there is a bit more but if you only run heroic its very very little

[remote bobcat]

the same fights have the same adds

except gallywix ig

they just live longer

[summer quail]

i mean there's like 2 pure st fights only. tho i guess vexi is more st as well

[marble pilot]

Fair. I havnt actually done any mythic this tier. But they die so fast in heroic that basically everything is just single target.
Longer lived adds. Or a council type fight would be nice.

Or I could do mythic raids again. But I dont got the time for that these days

[summer quail]

adds always will this late into a tier on heroic

[quiet breach]

does that mean we could see what the next raid looks like next week?

[slim coral]

ye

[sullen dove]

prolly uh

Lot of ethereals

Could see kyveza again that might be interesting

Same way xymox was a boss twice in an expansion

[quiet breach]

officer in my guild said season last 6 more weeks, was there an official announcement somewhere that u are aware of?

I wonder who the final boss will be

prob some new villain in some new campaign that won't come out till season starts

[remote bobcat]

im p sure we dont have a finalized schedule

[quiet breach]

I read somewhere it prob won't be xalatath

[remote bobcat]

like 90% sure

[sullen dove]

Prolly next expac middle raid end boss sylvanas style

some other random big bad void guy end of midnight

Then idk iridikron probably pulling up in the last titan

[quiet breach]

can pugs easily kill gally on heroic now?

i want to make my parse better on it

just need slightly higher avg

every time I killed gally I was getting off the boss to throw bombs 💀

[marble pilot]

Depends on the pug id say. Its for sure been done. Heroic gally is a healer check more than anything. And mostly just phase 1. A lot of people dont use defensives or stagger the cds. And someone popping on heroic still kills the raid

[whole yacht]

we cannot 100% state if they can or cannot. it depends on the group. some pugs are a group of friends with 8/8m just clearing on an alt. some are 4/8 normal trying heroic

[sullen tendon]

im fucking unsubbing for that tier if its another sylvannas fight

[slim coral]

the timeways event ends the week august 5th

[sullen tendon]

15 minutes of running around

[slim coral]

so that is the date people are prediciting the season to start

[summer quail]

prob patch start. there's always a "break week"

[slim coral]

ye thats what I mean

raid should drop august 12th

[summer quail]

yeye

[slim coral]

if they do the same thing they did last tier

[quiet breach]

does that mean u can start m+ grinding for next season on the 5th and the raid won't come out till the 12th? assuming it does end up following this schedule u are saying

or can u only start m+ grind once the raid drops

[summer quail]

no. mythic+ also coming out once raid drops

or maybe the week after if doing heroic week. but we don't know if they are doing that or not

[sullen dove]

In talking like lore wise her place in the raid/xpac

I don’t think anyone is even making the raid 3-4 tiers from now

maybe they are by now idk

But def no one has an ounce of a clue to how her fight would go

[sullen tendon]

hasnt ian said they start working on expansions 1-2 ahead of the current one

[sullen dove]

Yea I mean idk how deeply

[sullen tendon]

maybe assets but not fully fleshed out raids

[sullen dove]

Assumed like broad zone design and basic storyline to start

[sullen tendon]

I assume the concept artists and writers do 1-2 expacs ahead

and some asset artists

but not full teams

[slim coral]

should be a xal fight

we wiull prob lose

[sullen tendon]

dont tell anyone but ive got access to blizzard concept art for the xalatath fight

[tepid crown]

Donkey 64 was the goat

[feral ivy]

in DFC which is easier in any key lvl

[median marsh]

Killed myth gally, what to buy with those dinar coins now?

[feral ivy]

Ring and umm forgot name but the raid trinket

From gally..

[quiet breach]

probably jastor diamond but it depends what u have

[feral ivy]

I’m getting the raid trinket because we are reclearing just for fun now and then next season it’s still going to be good

[quiet breach]

I read they always nerf trinkets that are good into the next season

[summer quail]

if excessively good yes. if just good then no

i don't really think we have any trinkets like that this tier

[pure hornet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jbY1s7SjRJUKgWo7rZHBsq
isnt the viscera supposed to be better than radio?

[quiet breach]

viscera is only for single target

[pure hornet]

ahhh! grim codex aswell?

[quiet breach]

I dunno I don't think about doggy doodoo trinkets

[whole yacht]

codex is such a terrible trinket. please dont use it

[clear wharf]

We got any sims for the belt on Tuesday?

[modest condor]

not yet

[junior gale]

lil Morgan day yap

[modest condor]

well at least we know they're thinking about something for season 3

[junior gale]

Thinking about thinking about something

[chilly fractal]

Maybe we’ll get 1 good tier set this xpack

[dense elbow]

This is fine, we are fine

[tepid cedar]

We sdont Want battle Rez give us lust

[dense elbow]

wdum, you forgotten the list?

[oblique thistle]

"They believe the class does bring a decent amount of tools"
Am I tripping? What tools? Battle shout and shockwave?

[dense elbow]

AoE CR, uncapped from limits.
Immunity
AoE cleanse
AoE purge
AoE absorb for allies
AoE passive healing for allies
Heroism

Did I forget one of the many that we go through every freaking time?

[tepid cedar]

So what was the actual ST dps the warrior did

[dense elbow]

Fine DPS

[tepid cedar]

178.2 whatever the fuck that symbol is means nothing to me lol anyone explain

[fiery edge]

doing "better" in mythic

[marble trench]

Is there a weakaura for what my winning streak is? Like the raging blow/Bloodthirst buff?

[sudden tusk]

not worth your time to track it

[marble trench]

Do we use BT on cooldown? I have a when to use BT tracker thingy, does that work with it?

[quiet breach]

use BT when the tracker thingy tells u to

and in >5 targets, use it on CD

with mountain thane

[marble trench]

Thats above 5 targets right?

[quiet breach]

yes

[marble trench]

ty!

[whole yacht]

what better way to build credit, than use your credit card on wow tokens? 😄

[sturdy trench]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-daddy-take-it-easy-calm-down-gif-13696124

[whole yacht]

hey how did you get your name upside down

[sturdy trench]

copy paste google i think

[whole yacht]

interesting

[sturdy trench]

ya just some website actually i googled that does it

[whole yacht]

uoɯǝ˥ ʎlpoפ

i see

[opal monolith]

Why didn't you rotate your profile pic aswell

Missed opportunity

[quiet breach]

u use it on CD above 5 targets so you can proc thunder blast which is uncapped

[dry talon]

Since waist will be buffed,will ot be good upgrade,or we continue to use crafted/mythic grade waist till the end of the season?

[hushed gust]

i would assume to just wait for an FAQ or WoWhead post for that question, my guy

[marble trench]

@quiet breach So why not use when below 5 targets? Doesn't Thunder Blast smack?

[quiet breach]

mathematically raging blow is slightly better

the lower the target amount the better rb is

but near 6 its like, almost exactly the same

so u can just send BT if u want

with good RNG with the blast procs u will pump harder

[marble trench]

Awesome, thank you! Been struggling to find the best time to use BT in all scenarios lol, BT tracker is great, but I feel like it's not 100% accurate

[undone flower]

It is a single target WA

[marble trench]

That makes a ton of sense now, thank you!

[undone flower]

When you add targets the value of potential reap the storm proc / thunderblast increase, the WA don’t change the % you press BT

[quiet breach]

yeah when ur in an aoe situation the WA doesnt matter

just use it on CD to proc blast

[whole yacht]

when does the new belt come out/

[slim coral]

tuesday

[quiet breach]

it just tracks what crit percent u get from slaughtering strikes and lights up when the math says pressing that is better on average

in single target

[slim coral]

or wednesday if you're an EU person

[slim coral]

Tuesday

[whole yacht]

interesting.

some wowhead pages already updated with the belt for bis

[quiet breach]

yo so

the highest tier delve i have unlocked is 3

lol

should i grind that up before the belt comes out

[upper token]

Well you should have it at 8 to farm trinkets weekly anyway so, here's your sign to do it for both

[slim coral]

no

you can do tier 1

[quiet breach]

the delve trinkets aren't better than the ones I have I simmed

energy drink almost is tho

[undone flower]

How soulless you must be to do 8 delves per week for months

[fiery edge]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KxNAemDQVhI

Shiiiiii

[cosmic sundial]

I misheard "I'm swapping out the typical talents" for "I'm fucking up the typical talents"

lmao

[fiery edge]

dammit spear is 1.5mins

AM doesn't even affect it

[cosmic sundial]

AM doesn't affect roar

it just has a talent that reduces cd

lol

[fiery edge]

oh

[cosmic sundial]

Run RA so cds line up kek

[fiery edge]

sign

[cosmic sundial]

to be fair it being 1.5mins means it lines up with Ava

so

[fiery edge]

hm, could be nice

[last nacelle]

Warrior BL soon ? 👀

source : https://www.wowhead.com/news/morgan-day-talks-dps-rankings-with-chinese-dps-competition-commentary-and-q-a-377263?utm_source=discord-webhook

[heavy galleon]

are we playing the same game ??????

"Warrior representation tends to be based on which spec is doing better in Mythic+ at the moment."

"They believe the class does bring decent amount of tools, but that the meta tends to focus more on casters"

we got tools ??????????????

[pure breach]

Dont think so

[junior gale]

I mean we have tools

their just not good ones

[heavy galleon]

I just want to quit the game when I hear everything is ok for them

[remote bobcat]

we have a lot of personal tools, just not a lot of "im gonna make this key easier" type tools

[heavy galleon]

we have nothing compared to DK

[junior gale]

that was a banger lil yap from Morgan day they are openely recognizing what one of our issues are

[heavy galleon]

For me, he recognizing more we are ok than we are not

[remote bobcat]

brez over bl makes no sense to me

[heavy galleon]

he don't even talk about fury hard cap target on M+

[remote bobcat]

for warr

[junior gale]

he said something like Brez would be silly but its something they are discussing for next season

[heavy galleon]

I don't think add Brez for war is changing something about our states

[junior gale]

were not getting Brez the point is they know our utillity is an issue and are looking at ways to address it for S3

[earnest canyon]

Hi, it's me, the #1 best 1,593,006th warrior in the world. How is everyone?

[heavy galleon]

he talk about cap targor for outlaw rogue but not for fury 😑

[earnest canyon]

Brez yell would be funny

[sour frigate]

Add cr nerf damage by 15 u see u got huge utility

[storm birch]

Let us put spell reflect on others or on the party as whole (just DR for that one not the reflect. Similar to amz) and have shockwave make enemies take 5% in creased damage if they were stunned by it for x amount of seconds to encourage aoe stun use and provide some extra dmg 😎

[sullen dove]

me when using aoe stuns for damage means youre not using them for stuns

:cluegi:

also stuns are kinda troll now

[storm birch]

Hm true I guess that’s a consideration

[sullen dove]

with their dogshit changes

[storm birch]

I still like stuns though . Just sucks it’s such a long cooldown if you don’t spend 2 points on it

(For thane build at least)

With proper kick and stun rotation you can make it pretty far into a pack before they get cc immune

[smoky vale]

gm ish

[undone flower]

20 sec is not long for a mass stun

Or maybe I forgot colossus gives shockwave cdr on top of the bump / prot brain

[fading sky]

its 35 seconds

• 15 if u hit more than

3

then another 5 from col ?

[vague tapir]

I've just woken up so I'm going to type this into the void (I assume Blizzard don't read here...).

Things they could do that would be more interesting than just giving us a lust (in no particular order):

1. Make spell reflection immune debuff application, like AMS
2. Change shockwave to a knock-up (only) so that it doesn't interact with stun DR
3. Sort out the class tree so that we actually have the points to spare for non-throughput talents
4. Make champions spear bigger, move it elsewhere in the tree, make it utility only (now we have an equivalent of a druid's vortex+typhoon)
5. Add the safeguard pvp talent to the class tree, (now we have an external like ret pala)
6. Change Piercing Howl to be a something like Evoker's Oppressing Roar

[remote bobcat]

your 1st suggestion is too broken and your 2nd suggestion is already in the colossus hero talent tree

[summer quail]

good suggestions, except the spell reflect one. spell reflect already insane

[undone flower]

Yeah I would switch col bump with 15 sec shockwave cdr class tree

• I would remove damage capstones on class tree except middle one, and make spear only utility like you said, remove/change roar or make it « baseline » on the tree

[red berry]

give me crit becomes crit damage talent. marksmen has it. dh has iit.

[undone flower]

(Baseline on the tree meaning it is on the way / a place you always take)

[red berry]

i wish this power

[vague tapir]

Would it really be more broken than AMS already is? Maybe I'm missing something or under-appreciating how good spell reflect still is.

I've only recently started playing a warrior and was under the impression that 99% of the good reflects for damage got removed pretty quickly these days and that in practice it's a short duration and short CD magic DR.

[remote bobcat]

spell reflect is a 25 second cd

Without wanting to sound rude, calling it less broken than ams is stupid

then adding its debuff removing properties to it as well?

absolutely not okay for the health of the game

[empty grove]

if they make it like ams they take away the reflection component for balancing

if they were to make it like ams they would probably*

[remote bobcat]

SR is good because its a DR on a 25sec cd, not because you can reflect for damage consistently

[vague tapir]

I'd have taken "You're definitely missing something" or "That's ignorant", but also fair enough. I should probably have included that "adjust any CDs as appropriate" in my original message rather than leaving it in my head.

[remote bobcat]

I mean then ur kinda just making spell reflect into ams

so the suggestion would be: remove SR give ams

[undone flower]

I think the best they could do for SR is : intervene is a choice node with non-melees intervene

Like restoral on mistweaver

[vague tapir]

That's fair, and would be kind of lame. Tbh the SR suggestion mostly came from a place of "this tooltip reads like it should do what AMS does, but it doesn't. That's stupid and annoying, fuck Blizzard and their awful tooltips".

[remote bobcat]

now that is a great argument mezimir

the SR tooltip is awful

[undone flower]

Blizz has tooltips issues yep

On rogue things says they are capped at 5 but it’s 8

[vague tapir]

I usually play demo lock, our most important damaging abilities don't say anything about how much damage they do.

[undone flower]

Or poison meaning weapon poison sometime, or just nature damage, and weapon poison on tooltip can also mean nature damage and not weapon poison

[undone flower]

Don’t forget

[vague tapir]

Why would you do that 😭

[undone flower]

Strong trinket : tooltip is ?????

[flat river]

hello

[flat river]

best tooltip

[south kayak]

They don’t?

[vague tapir]

Dreadstalkers, Vilefiend, Great Felguard, Tyrant all have no mention of their damage at all.

[south kayak]

Oh that’s crazy lol

I guess you also don’t have a way to know how much wild imps do

[vague tapir]

I was about to add that 🤣

[south kayak]

Tbh anything with pets is messy in this game

They rarely show how much damage they do

I don’t think summon infernal does either

I think there’s a lot of variables for pets

And the tooltip would be pretty big for a pet like dreadstalker

They have melee and dreadbite

And some talent bullshit

[vague tapir]

“Summon 2 ferocious dreadstalkers that unleash a dreadbite dealing X shadow damage and deal Y physical damage every Z seconds for 12 seconds”

There are worse tooltips than that would be.

[south kayak]

I saw an addons or something like that adding all the talent tooltips into the ability and one of them was a long list lol

A monk ability

[vague tapir]

Renewing mist was the example people kept using for that

[south kayak]

Yeah that’s the one

Raging Blow would be the equivalent for warrior

But nowhere close

[vague tapir]

Going back to the subject of warrior utility, they should add a choice node with bounding stride that makes heroic leap function like evoker rescue (but without the shield talent). I want my "friends" to panic whenever I'm within 40yds of them.

[fading sky]

Nah we just need rally 20% and 1.5m cd and in gen better dmg profile

Flat as. Fucked and target capped is bad

[undone flower]

Overpower, without a doubt

I think there are 20 talents for that fucking spell

[fading sky]

I mean 100% rb

Rb buffs everything🤣

[undone flower]

30k gold if you are EU if overpower have more talents than rb

I can’t log into the game tho, someone would need to type overpower/rb in talent screen search bar

[remote bobcat]

the wowhead talent calculator works just fine for it

[undone flower]

Im defeated

[fading sky]

Cash

Jokin btw. Rb and op in hard competition🤣🤣

[undone flower]

If I knew how to send you gold cross realm

I would

[hoary agate]

Is wow analyser up to date? Reason I ask is practising some fury and it said I'm wasting loads of rage and not using rampage enough. I was getting giga raging blow so I was just spending? Is that right?

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/wHqYvjkCXxcBZRTA/6/95

For reference

[fading sky]

Only overcap after bladestorm in gen

[undone flower]

Send char/realm in private I will find a way (if EU)

[fading sky]

Nah 😁, its all good i for real though op had way less modifiers

[south kayak]

I think we need a unique utility that very little classes/specs have. They might have to prune some classes utilities tbh

[fading sky]

Like raøly

[south kayak]

Rallying Cry is definitely a unique dps cd but the problem is that it sucks

[fading sky]

At 20%

[south kayak]

It just needs to be buffed

[fading sky]

Yup

Like every other raid cd is

In 5m content

😅

[undone flower]

Rally at 20% and it lust

[fading sky]

Kek

But not hastw

Crit dmg

[vague tapir]

Maybe, hunter utility is pretty decent for keys without having anything unique. When I was playing surv last season it was really nice to have something useful for pretty much any situation, even though none of it was unique.

[undone flower]

Only rage blow crit damage, raid wide

[vague tapir]

Heroic leap doubling as rescue wouldn’t solve warrior’s problems, but it would be hella fun

[south kayak]

I think they should bring back heroic leap grip

[fading sky]

If rally was 20% and spear was a utility

Wsrrior would be good

[undone flower]

Colossus bump is crazy good

[south kayak]

You know what, scratch that, what gokke said, spear would be the utility grip

[fading sky]

Rest is rly dmg tuning

[vague tapir]

How did that work? Thematically a knockdown would be pretty cool.

[fading sky]

Spear work like dhs

[south kayak]

There was a talent in alpha that made leap grip enemies to your

You

[fading sky]

Ye

Hear me out

Bladestorm sucks in mobs

[vague tapir]

Suck them from A to B, or an AoE grip on landing.

[south kayak]

Second

[vague tapir]

I suggested adding that to whirlwind the other day, somebody suggested blade storm instead which probably makes more sense.

Whirlwind was a bit of a meme idea though 🤣

[fading sky]

I mean realistcly with spear as grip and rally 20% we would be good

Now add proper dmg profile

Fury is both capped and flat dmg

Which is the biggest m+ hurdle

[undone flower]

But grips are dk shit, I don’t want to steal the raid buff from the no real raid buff class

[vague tapir]

Give DK a leech buff, hunters crit and evokers haste. Bam, we all have a raid buff.

[undone flower]

Evoker buffs is also enough to take them always in a raid

[fading sky]

Fuck evoker

Hunter have msrk

[south kayak]

Mark is trash

[undone flower]

Just put condemn mark on Hunter

[fading sky]

But dk a slight leech

Who cares its still a raid buff

Keep in mind hunter also have highest st

[undone flower]

There is still no crit / haste raid buff

[fading sky]

😅

Hm true

Give ret crit

They keep crying

[undone flower]

But I bet they keep it on next new classes

[south kayak]

I think they should nerf shaman buff

[fading sky]

No

[south kayak]

Wdym no

It’s broken

[undone flower]

Omg it buffs 5 dudes melees out of the 20 in your raid

[south kayak]

Bro forgot about the mastery buff

[undone flower]

I know about mastery buff, it is weaker than the other buffs

3% vers

5% more phys or magic damage

[south kayak]

Magic?

[undone flower]

Dh buff

[south kayak]

It’s not 5 anymore

[undone flower]

Yes it’s 3 / still better than 2% mastery

Which is not really 2% mastery

It is flat amount of mastery

[south kayak]

It changes between specs from what I’ve seen

[undone flower]

Yes bc 2% mastery on rdruid is like a billion of mastery for example