#fury

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coarse nest
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In my experience I clearly can see the boss moving and I react too quickky with my button and I lose one rage

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So I started heroic throwing

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Works every time

crimson yew
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Hey If I have an on use trinket and BIS weapon, i use trinket on pull and BIS on second recklessness?

smoky vale
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yeh

crimson yew
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Thank yoou

tepid cedar
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i am

tepid cedar
modest condor
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you're not talking about that build that just drops all RB talents and presses BT on cd?

tepid cedar
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so its above 40%

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no

modest condor
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vicious contempt doesnt affect crit chance

tepid cedar
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cause then ur using it once it hits 40%

modest condor
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oh yeah ur right

tepid cedar
tepid cedar
rotund ginkgo
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670 fury warr btw

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really making us look good

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655 pala

modest condor
tepid cedar
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woops linked u wrong one

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forgot i swapped ealier

modest condor
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isnt that just the standard slayer m+ build

tepid cedar
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not sure. what funky said he min maxed weeeeeeeks ago

sullen tendon
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it doesnt increase att power it increases physical damage and stormstrike is really the only physical damage that they do. Everything else is a mix of elemental fire/lava and lightning

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*nature

tepid cedar
modest condor
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what do you mean?

tepid cedar
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instead of 40%, wait til 50%

modest condor
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idk ive never simmed 1 point VC

summer quail
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i highly doubt it makes a big difference whether you decide to use it at 40 or 50% crit chance. prob extremely minor optimization either way

modest condor
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but you would probably want to go for higher crit chance then yeah

tepid cedar
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well even with 2 pts

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ima do a custom sim, but unless im bnlind

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where the fuckl is the condition for 40%

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actions.slayer+=/bloodthirst,if=buff.bloodcraze.stack>=4|crit_pct_current>=85 i see this

summer quail
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here no?

tepid cedar
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no

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i dont think so

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cause ur looking for something with this crit_pct_current>=40

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actions.slayer+=/bloodthirst,if=(target.health.pct<35&talent.vicious_contempt&buff.bloodcraze.stack>=2)|active_enemies>2

theres this

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but there no >40% crit

lunar steeple
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is lock n stock hit every 20 seconds?

tepid cedar
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its based of bloodcarze

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actions.slayer+=/bloodthirst,if=(target.health.pct<35&talent.vicious_contempt&buff.bloodcraze.stack>=2)|active_enemies>2

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so my assumptions were right

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we can get more DPS

drowsy heron
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got myself some good numbers for CB

tepid cedar
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this is the current APL. in execute, with 2 bloodcraze stacks.

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with 3 blood craze stacks

hardy quiver
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Fellas question I'm 675 and in 3 mins on the dummies is 1b and 5.95m is that ok dps ?

summer quail
tepid cedar
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4 bloodcraze basicaly changes nothing

hardy quiver
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XD

tepid cedar
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and see if ur semi close to it. i dont think dummy sim accounts for the crazy excute time u get in real lifew

hardy quiver
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Ok 🙂

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Ty for your time friend

winter shoal
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BIS goes crazy

whole yacht
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ez

bitter palm
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hoooly colors

bitter palm
winter shoal
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If only I got PI surely I win

half pulsar
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@tidal kindle

compact knot
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is this a good prot warrior overall guys (lfr gallywix)

winter shoal
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Needs more raging blow I think

rocky locust
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What does Thane opener look like against a single target?

winter shoal
winter shoal
rocky locust
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Cool ty

winter shoal
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Looks like sim does thunder blast before roar, probably to avoid the unhinged bt proccing another thunder blast and wasting a charge

cosmic sundial
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oh I literally just scrolled up and saw it was posted

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lol

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@winter shoal does rampage not increase rav dam?

sudden tusk
cosmic sundial
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I knew enrage effected the bts but I figured you just wanted to enrage immediately so the ticks did more too

sudden tusk
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the other effect is Thane runs Anger managment. so you will desync Ravager/Reck if you rampage before casting rav

vapid tiger
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Progging M OAB, seems like folks are prioritizing bloodthirst over raging blow. Not even using RB after bladestorm (ignoring slaughtering strikes). Is there a reason for this?

Or just the logs I've looked at? I end up with a lot more RBs and lowr dmg

winter shoal
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BT is prio over RB on 2+ targets as slayer

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So if you're cleaving off a reel assistant, you should be using BT > RB

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Reap procs very powerful

vapid tiger
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Dang, that's it thanks. Noticed my whirlwind buff time was low as well, so that plus more BT should get me back in the game

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just so used to not hitting BT until the WA says i'm at 100% crit

winter shoal
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uhhh if you're waiting for 100% crit you're probably underusing BT anyways

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Should be 85% crit above VC range and 35% inside VC range

vapid tiger
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if i'm hitting OAB and an add is below 35% that I hit with BT from WW, does VC work? or do I need to target the add?

modest condor
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it works

vapid tiger
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awesome thanks

vapid tiger
winter shoal
winter shoal
vapid tiger
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That's good to know, I need to make sure I track that. I have a hard time seing the assistants hp as it is. Hence part of why i dont WW enough

winter shoal
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The weakaura here is what most people use for tracking BT crit, it has a sound and glow built in for 85/35% crit checks #1237307732705415228 message

vapid tiger
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Hmm, mine is 3% off lol

slim coral
vapid tiger
winter shoal
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Because that's what the robot said

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FWIW I think in VC range, everything from 30-70 was pretty much the same so Archi just picked one

undone flower
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Like how do they know RB > BT (without crit amp), someone simmed with BT>RB, and saw it does less damage

whole yacht
slim coral
vapid tiger
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i'll hit the glowy buttons when the theorycrafters say so

undone flower
winter shoal
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Or holding BS if reck within 18s

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That one actually changed from 24 to 18s with the BS buff for similar reasons (robot said so)

undone flower
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Or smashing RB after bladestorm even tho you certainly have max rage

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And I think it’s until 4 stack the number you can rampage, even tho it can go to 5

winter shoal
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Well you RB if you have <5, which would put you at 5

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But that basically never happens bc rampage to refresh enrage is still higher prio

hardy quiver
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For sim u run it 3 mins or 5 mins ?

winter shoal
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5 mins is standard

hardy quiver
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Ok ty

winter shoal
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You might want to run different fight lengths if you're progging a boss and expect it to be longer/shorter though

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Like Gally is a 7-8 minute fight

hardy quiver
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Ok thanks friend

winter shoal
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🫡

dense elbow
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Told ya it is solid, problem is and remains tho: No Odyn's Fury sadge

undone flower
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But I still go for the 5 if I can bc BIG

cosmic sundial
winter shoal
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Me when there's a minor redundancy in the APl

cosmic sundial
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Btw I know it’s on the low side but today I:
A. finally broke 4m overall on a dungeon
B. Hit 3.1k io

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It’s the small things

remote bobcat
undone flower
dense elbow
dense elbow
cosmic sundial
dense elbow
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You in the 4m club now

cosmic sundial
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Also that 4m overall was probably the smoothest psf I’ve had. I took a chance using an augment rune and never died

dense elbow
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Not sure, never followed the wowhead build for Slayer keks
I presume the optimised one is basically just the same as the WoWhead one. Then I got different builds with degrees of scuff.

winter shoal
undone flower
winter shoal
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so
actions.slayer+=/rampage,if=!buff.enrage.up|buff.slaughtering_strikes.stack>=4
means "use rampage if the enrage buff is not up, or if SS is >= 4 stacks"

winter shoal
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! means not

undone flower
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I think I pressed some unenraged RB for SS before this day keks

winter shoal
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It starts to get much more tricky with lines like
actions.slayer+=/raging_blow,if=buff.brutal_finish.up&buff.slaughtering_strikes.stack<5&(!debuff.champions_might.up|debuff.champions_might.up&debuff.champions_might.remains>gcd)
Where the | is inside () and &d with other conditions

cosmic sundial
winter shoal
dense elbow
winter shoal
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I think I ran the sims on it a long time ago but I can't be bothered to stack SS normally anyways most of the time

undone flower
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I need to play to notice if I always do it

cosmic sundial
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Anyone here moonlight as a hunter player?

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I feel like a fucking idiot

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I play fury and somehow can’t grasp bm hunter

dense elbow
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A very fancy term, I only play MM on the side. For when I want to deal dam

cosmic sundial
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I just cant wrap my head around their resource management

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I understand it, but in practice I fail at it lol

dense elbow
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Probably sending barbed shot too often, running dry, is my best guess. But that is prob a quesiton better asked in Trueshot Lodge

lean heart
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BOSS DED

undone flower
modest condor
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grats

remote bobcat
dense elbow
lean heart
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got the mount too W

remote bobcat
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We trialed someone who was very clearly a mount farmer, they looted it and then quit

lean heart
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unlucky

remote bobcat
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He randomly decided to quit wow for the season

cosmic sundial
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@remote bobcat African or European?

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out of context that's a wild @

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should have thought about that one but it's your bio

remote bobcat
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What

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????

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Wdym african or european

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Me? The yoinker?

cosmic sundial
remote bobcat
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Omfg

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I forgot about that.

cosmic sundial
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lmao

remote bobcat
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Wild @ indeed

cosmic sundial
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That's why I said that after thinking about it lmao

remote bobcat
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Let‘s ignore that ever happened

cosmic sundial
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🤝

quartz pumice
cosmic sundial
quartz pumice
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Press buttons first,think after.

cosmic sundial
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Zugzug

cosmic sundial
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This is the way

tender pulsar
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Just started M gally prog today and I’m noticing I’m not getting enrage during bladestorm sometimes on pull and on the adds in P1, and I’m quite sure I’m in melee range. Is he just parrying on pull and then the adds are just buggy…?

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Sorry I mean I’m not getting enrage refreshed, not rage

lean heart
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check parry maybe

gray cradle
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Hi, I’m experiencing avatar and House of cards are desyncing even though they are macroed together and used at the same time. Anyone else experiencing this?

radiant plank
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is it cdr week in m+

gray cradle
eternal sundial
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It's gamba and sometimes you dont get the gamba

undone flower
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and you don't have deft experience

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i think you trade hack n slash if you want take 1 deft point

tender pulsar
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what are the immunes indicating tho? this is for rampage

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OK yeah its definitely the deft experience

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I've been running that all tier and then switched off of it for gally after checking WCL talents

eternal sundial
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I mean realistically

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You start bs enraged anyways

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So if it procs or not

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Doesnt rlly matter

undone flower
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Not a lot of slayer AoE fights, understandable you didn’t notice

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ST slayer has deft points

tender pulsar
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Yeah I was just noticing I was running out of enrage towards the end of bladestorm, so I couldnt really get value out of slaughtering strikes + brutal finish in the opener like I was used to

undone flower
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SS mini game after bs is just if you get a refresh basically

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On Gally

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From unhinged

eternal sundial
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You just do unenraged rb

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Ramp does enraged dam regardless

undone flower
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You don’t do SS thing not enraged

tender pulsar
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Yeah so assuming I'm lucky with RB resets, I would be able to spam like 3-4 RBs before being forced to rampage to refresh enrage

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without deft experience in the opener, I was often only getting 1 RB off before I needed to rampage

eternal sundial
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And i dont recall to 100% what it says

undone flower
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5 min and I post it with tag on you

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Not on pc rn

tender pulsar
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I feel like theres no way the SS stacks are valuable enough to be worth casting RBs without mastery bonus

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Im sitting at 57% mastery seems like an oof size 100

warm crag
tender pulsar
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mmm delicious knowledge peepologs

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maybe feelycraft but I think deft experience over depths of insanity might be worth in the case of scuffed downtime on a prog kill

eternal sundial
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Wasnt sure since i havent touched retail since start of the tier

jade cipher
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everyone is flying and moving like on coicaine yet we are still playing our vanila class

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when i charge mugzee in prog while he is charging i go over him and die

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i guess its too much to ask, having a functioning mobility spell

warm crag
jade cipher
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yeah i know about this, but you think its good like this? even on opener when they are pulling a boss back, you charge it you go over

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the target needs to be dead still inside his hitbox

flat river
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hello guys

chrome plover
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hello gala

flat river
chrome plover
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i got rank 1 normal gallywix on my hunter

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are you proud of me?

flat river
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always

chrome plover
iron portal
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So wholesome

undone flower
warm crag
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You get edge cases like sarkareth or mugzee if you charge at exactly the wrong time but its an acceptable tradeoff for the best uptime spell in the game

undone flower
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Yeah we predict where he will charge / we place him on specific spot to make him charge every time the same place

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Since he charge in the clearest area (it is not a baited charge)

hardy shuttle
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Predictive pathing means charge technically overshoots when the target us moving. Otherwise you be ending up where he was and not where he is/is going

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Thats why you end up in mugzees hitbox if you don't wait for him to stop

urban forge
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eikps0907

slim pollen
warm crag
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On mythic he does the quadrant thing

slim pollen
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Ahh, oki. Ty

earnest canyon
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What is up fellow brown men and ladies

golden hare
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the sky 😂 😂 😂 😂

oblique trail
golden hare
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we don't have those where i live

fickle yew
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hey fury brains,
Anyone able to tell me how people getting double charge at the start of the fight - seems to be tech I dont know and wanting to improve 🙂

tardy lark
fickle yew
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Much love

south kayak
undone flower
warm crag
south kayak
undone flower
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yeah maybe spade is better than ballsack, the room isn't called tower of balls after all....

oblique trail
warm crag
clever belfry
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banedzi

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benzia

oblique trail
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anda

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andussy

clever belfry
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skull emoti

oblique trail
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meow emoticon

clever belfry
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can i read that novel somewhere

oblique trail
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Become a professor at the meowsiversity then you'll have plenty of novels of similar quality hand delivered to you

south kayak
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Any poe gamers

tepid cedar
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whats up gamersssssssss

chrome plover
oblique trail
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(Anda held me at gunpoint figuratively and verbally abused me for not having watched it (this is true))

south kayak
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I tried watching that show

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Idk but I just couldn't get myself to keep watching

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after first or second episode

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Don't remember

dusty cove
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what is the best fight style sim for mythic gally?

oblique trail
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Can adjust time for your expected killtime

dusty cove
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Time to put my circlet ring back on, still a 30K dps increase for me

undone flower
south kayak
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nice hours

undone flower
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I can teach you how to uninstall the game at least

chrome plover
frank dawn
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My body is ready for PoE

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Wow sub ran out yesterday. Truly the gods work.

wispy cape
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Hey do you guys use dungeon slice to sim for M+?

frank dawn
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I don’t. Just run single target and 5 target sims and apply some brain power to the results if they are much different

wispy cape
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thanks, will try to apply some brain power

wintry kestrel
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Do we still use this at some point? Whirlwind hits twice as hard as this even for a single target.

silent aurora
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Maybe in thane if you get nothing to press

remote bobcat
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whirlwind is strictly better

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as a filler

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due to the recent hotfix

quiet geyser
gilded pawn
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just bind ww on thane

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Instead of using slam

coarse nest
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#showtooltip slam
/cast whirlwind

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Fixed

silent aurora
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But never gonna happen normally

blissful hound
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What do you macro bis with?

coarse nest
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All in one button goes hard

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Ez mode

quiet geyser
silent aurora
quiet geyser
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Yes you do

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WW doesnt magically get removed from your abilities

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You just replace it by TC in rotation

tepid cedar
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lol has anyone noticed, if u use opener macro.

/cast reck
cast avatar
use hoc
charge.

that as the fight goes on u will slowly start desyncinc hoc by a few seconds from avatar

winter shoal
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You sure it's not BIS putting your HOC on cd?

cosmic sundial
cosmic sundial
warm crag
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Kinda hard to reproduce

winter shoal
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Oh true

coarse nest
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It happens to me to some times

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Usually when I’m mashing the Ava+hoc bind as the cooldown is finishing

winter shoal
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Just run no on-use trinket

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Ez solution

coarse nest
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Next tier no on use weapon causing problems surely!

cosmic sundial
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The monkeys paw curls

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No on use weapon

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All on use trinkets are 2 minute

quiet breach
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some ppl in my guild are able to get the 3% buff and some cant

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blizzard deadge

tepid cedar
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I never use bis if under 20

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Simple
Fix but you have to press 1 more button

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Ran a ton of tests. On your opener macro remove avatar

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And when you engage pop avatar

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No more issues or instances anymore

quiet breach
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can we add a socket to the new 700 ilvl belt?

plush maple
slim pollen
swift dust
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Has there been any theorycrafting on the belt options?

orchid grove
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Is Mechano Core Amplifier still simming more than it should?
I have the Cartel Chips to replace it with a myth track trinket, but Hero Amplifier sims better than everything else

summer quail
chilly fractal
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Wonder if they’ll hit Mechano core and energy drink with a nerf bat next season or not

winter shoal
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I mean they get inherently nerfed by being low ilvl no?

swift dust
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They'll get an ilevel bump when you get new ones in S3

modest condor
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delves also get increased ilvl

winter shoal
modest condor
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did they remove any season 1 trinkets from the pool?

winter shoal
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I think so, some of them might also be in the s2 drop pool but none of the good ones

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I mean I'm not gonna lose sleep over not having to delve for trinkets next season

modest condor
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they'll probably introduce some new strong trinkets

winter shoal
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But I wouldn't expect them to nerf existing 671 delve trinkets

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Yeah

swift dust
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Any worry about vault luck much less.

winter shoal
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silm I got r17 sprocket last night on kind of a dog shit pull

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are you proud of me

dense elbow
modest condor
winter shoal
dense elbow
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They need to give warrior a way to distrupt other damage dealers DPS

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Hydrate I know we will never get to do dam on their level, so at least let us drag em down to ours

winter shoal
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Someone get bro out of the kitchen

dense elbow
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Look into your heart, you know my words hold true.

vague tapir
echo rapids
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Whirlwind could cause a suck like on sprocket

dense elbow
vague tapir
nimble jacinth
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What is the best weapon enchant nowaday? I've seen a bunch of different enchants being used by top m+ rated fury warriors

winter shoal
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Either depths or radiant power, sim your own character to see what's best for you

charred path
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On pull I feel like its a 50/50 if I can rampage immediately after a rb, is there a way to make that more consistent?

winter shoal
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That happens if you reck before you enter combat

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So your options are to either wait to make sure you're in combat first, or heroic throw before charging

winter shoal
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You said "after a rb" so just to make sure, you're doing reck + charge + ava immediately on pull, with reck first, correct?

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That should put you at exactly 80 rage to rampage

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if you reck out of combat you'll lose 1 rage naturally and be at 79

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but you shouldn't normally need to RB on opener

echo rapids
charred path
marble pilot
winter shoal
echo rapids
marble pilot
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Though I do prefer Thane. I just like clapping stuff. Id still take target cap changes over bladestorm utility.
Rallying cry does need to be looked at though

modest condor
marble pilot
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Oh so like ursols vortex but with a different animation?
Or binding shot+ any knockback

winter shoal
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I think you guys are cooked

echo rapids
winter shoal
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You do not want a main damage cd tied in with utility

echo rapids
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This could be like a single gust on cast

winter shoal
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Imagine not being able to BS for damage because you need it for a stop in 15 seconds

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That would feel very bad

marble pilot
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Nah treat it like the prot pally talent that spams avengers shields. Consider it bonus stops not required stops. You still have shockwave/stormbolt/pummel

echo rapids
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We would get a non stun stop

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Or rather a good one

winter shoal
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uncap intimidating shout YEP

marble pilot
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But It still would need something else cause ravager exists.
Though I guess ravager could do the same thing but you pick where it goes.
And if it works on the slayer hero talent proced bladestorm it would be a lot of free stops

modest condor
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fix menace

echo rapids
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Maybe just better int shout is the way

modest condor
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1: make menace work if the prio target is fear immune
2: make it a small knockback like the OG dragon roar instead of whatever the fuck it is now

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also maybe dont make it cost 2 talent points

winter shoal
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Could just make menace a knock up no?

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Like the colossus shockwave node

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Fixes the knock back issue

marble pilot
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Honestly though I think we have plenty of stops already. Id prefer different utility. Lust/brez instead. And then just deal with our aoe. Target capping or making the cds useful. Or make us actually goated/funnel at 5 targets if they have to keep us at 5

vague tapir
chilly fractal
modest condor
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ravager now gets a rainbow effect instead of the boring red/orange one

marble pilot
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How would funnel work if we were kept at 5 targets? Every target hit with ww/tclap makes your next rampage do X% more to the primary target? Or something else

modest condor
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"for x seconds, all damage that would normally be done to other targets by your cleave effect now goes to the primary target instead"

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fuck it who needs aoe damage

marble pilot
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How so shockwave hits em all. Stormbolt gets 3. pummel gets 1. And you can fear shout sometimes. Though I havnt used the shout once this season

coarse nest
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The funnel move

modest condor
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or maybe "for x seconds, all damage done to other targets by your cleave effect now gets duplicated onto the primary target"

remote bobcat
modest condor
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calling shockwave unreliable is a take

remote bobcat
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fury shockwave is unreliable compared to other aoe stuns in the game or compared to colossus shockwave

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and i will stand by this take

modest condor
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it's arguably the strongest aoe stun in the game with rumbling earth (which you really should be talented into)

marble pilot
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Yeah I think we are better than most classes for stops. Sure we are not vengance DHs. Or shammy totems. But neither is anyone else.

modest condor
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shaman aoe stun has a timer, warlock aoe stun has a cast time, dh aoe stun has a longer cooldown

echo rapids
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Yeah I mean the stops is a very minor thing, our target cap and lack of brez/lust is the main issue

marble pilot
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Yeah I would much prefer target cap addressed. Or be given funnel. Either way.
And utility. Lust would be great.

vague sierra
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The problem with stops is that all of the other classes that have way more utility have tons of stops, too.

marble pilot
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Real funnel not the oh in aoe you get more rage so you rampage more.

swift dust
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@modest condor You're saying to talent Rumbling Earth, where do you get the point from? MT.

echo rapids
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I don’t like the idea of having funnel and aoe specs, hard pass

vague sierra
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Most 17's/18's I've run, my stops are almost never called/needed. Vdh, Boomie, and resto shaman cover them all into DR lol

remote bobcat
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^

marble pilot
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patch notes just dropped lets see what we get

modest condor
marble pilot
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Oh nothing

echo rapids
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The last thing we need is to have to consider whether spec is a funnel or aoe spec

modest condor
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i would even say you can drop both and take second wind as well, which is surprisingly strong in m+ this season

swift dust
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Yeah, I'm using the WoWhead MT build

dense elbow
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2nd wind is so good

swift dust
#

Losing the extra HL doesn't get you in trouble?

modest condor
#

there arent many times where i felt like bounding stride would have made the difference for me

marble pilot
#

I like funnel vs aoe. Being able to kill priority targets is useful. As is killing everything. I dont mind if comps are built around one or the other.

modest condor
#

maybe 2nd boss workshop or something, idk the timer on the leap

remote bobcat
swift dust
#

Oh, its just CD

winter shoal
#

you can take bounding stride from my cold dead hands (I will not be dead because I leapt away)

remote bobcat
#

second wind nerf

swift dust
#

Yeah, making HL 30 sec CD and the movement speed is nice

modest condor
#

yeah but is it actually needed

#

how often do you want to leap sooner than 45 seconds

dense elbow
#

2nd wind usually gets a few if not the ability to 1-100% you between mechanics, it is a lot better than that "out of combat" thing

marble pilot
#

Eh its just so you dont have to have mage food for post raid wipe. Some people just wait for the healers like they dont have to get mana and stuff before healing you

modest condor
#

we're talking about m+ not raid

#

it's not as useful in raid no

echo rapids
orchid dagger
#

It's PvE, just take whatever and cry that the class is worthless

remote bobcat
dense elbow
#

Raid is "is fight designed for 2nd wind to be op? No? It doesnt work. Yes? it is op".

orchid dagger
dense elbow
#

Usually at least 1 or 2 fights where it is enabled :v

marble pilot
modest condor
#

they made it work at a lot more places in m+ at some point this season

#

at first it was only really useful on candle king

#

but i've noticed that it works on other bosses now as well

#

like last boss priory

echo rapids
marble pilot
#

Thats fair

dense elbow
#

And bosses that does "big dam now, ok rest" like mecha and so on. Allows healer to just ignore you

marble pilot
#

But they "could" lean into it and make other specs good at funnel. Not saying it has to be us. But I dont hate the concept in general

echo rapids
#

Although funnel vs aoe would be a way to differentiate specs within a class

#

The way destro has great split cleave and demonology has great stack cleave

marble pilot
#

Yeah. Could do arms is funnel fury is aoe. Or the other way around

#

If thats the case though we need target caps adjusted or aoe cds made useful again

echo rapids
#

But that would be a pretty big shift on blizzards part

#

Just normalizing aoe caps seems easier

dense elbow
#

Think both fury and arms want to be "the AoE burst spec", as that is lot more fun than the "sustained AoE flat dam" spec. In the Arms Vs Fury, there are no winners, as both want the same.

echo rapids
#

Slayer is the funnel and MT the aoe

marble pilot
#

Make arms a support spec like Aug. They sharpen other peoples weapons. Or teach them proper fighting forms for buffs. All my homies hate arms. /s or whatever

echo rapids
#

There are options

dense elbow
#

What funnel do Slayer have?

echo rapids
#

No I’m saying they could make it like that

dense elbow
#

You want bladestorm to do funnel damage?

fiery edge
#

yo foory buffs? gladge

dense elbow
#

If something should funnel, it should be demolish

marble pilot
#

Same or cleave. Every target hit by cleave increases next mortal strike by X

#

So you cleave ms cleave ms to burst a priorty down

echo rapids
dense elbow
#

Problem is one will be the loser

bold osprey
#

Heya quick question from a new fury. After BS and no more Rage: Do I still stack 2 slaughtering for brutal finish or just rage first with rampage?

dense elbow
#

People want just big AoE burst dam

#

so just let all do it

marble pilot
#

At least after bladestorm

bold osprey
#

So just like the "guide" says: Rage > "all"

dense elbow
marble pilot
#

IF bloodthirst is ready to go you can potentially put that in before rampage. And occasionally get an extra raging blow in because of it.
But never let enrage drop to get another stack

dense elbow
#

tl:dr: Nothing

remote bobcat
#

2nd wind nerf

dense elbow
#

How is that a 2nd wind nerf -_-

#

that is not why you take 2nd wind

remote bobcat
#

It absolutely is why i take second wind

dense elbow
#

spec traitor

remote bobcat
#

my guild screaming in my ears

#

to please eat to heal up

#

get ready for pull

#

FUCK NO

#

second wind

dense elbow
#

I miss the food lasts through death embelish

remote bobcat
#

hearty food ?

dense elbow
#

the thing we had in DF, ya

remote bobcat
#

just eat hearty food wdym

dense elbow
#

garms time to find this hearty food

sullen dove
#

Just like… level cooking

#

Don’t think u can buy it

#

Have to make it yourself

winter shoal
#

I will bum a hearty feast off my guild 10/10 times

dense elbow
#

I got to level cooking to get it? '-'

#

no deal

marble pilot
#

I just ask our mage for food.
And eat hearty beladars if we dont drop a feast

#

In keys you release at full hp anyway

sullen dove
#

Me when have to spend 20 minutes interacting with a system that probably has a really easy guide to follow online sadga

remote bobcat
marble pilot
#

Takes like 10 minutes to get to hearty beledar and cost maybe 10k? I dont remember been a while

remote bobcat
#

sry not even

#

only to 45 i think?

#

its really cheap and easy

#

@dense elbow

dense elbow
#

why is this a mechanic that ppl just dont sell on the AH?

#

come on

swift dust
#

BoP

dense elbow
#

Trash tier mechanic

#

make it BoE

marble pilot
#

Beldars you can buy on AH and condense into hearty

#

Thats why so many people use em

#

You do still have to do that step but a stack of 20 is 20 hours of food buff

remote bobcat
marble pilot
#

Yeah which is what 100 normals?

remote bobcat
#

ye

marble pilot
#

Can just use normal food and dont die. But the cost isnt too crazy so I just make hearty. Ill make a stack of 20 and it lasts like 2-3 weeks

dense elbow
#

Meh, found some hearty tea that I could buy from the AH, will do the work

marble pilot
#

We still got like 2 months of this season right?

dense elbow
#

Sadly, yeah

plush zephyr
#

I can’t wait to Delve for new belt sadge

marble pilot
#

Guess ill work on tww meta achieves or something. I still need to hit 3k. But im slowly working on that.

#

At least delves are super easy for us. I did a 4 minute t11 sidestreet sluice as prot.

plush zephyr
#

sadge I don’t wanna

dense elbow
#

sadge same

plush zephyr
#

Im going to be like a kid dragging his feet the whole time

cosmic sundial
winter shoal
#

Are you sure you pressed reck before both charge and ava?

cosmic sundial
#

Yes

winter shoal
#

Do you have a log

cosmic sundial
#

Let me see if I can find one

#

It’s inconsistent when it happens

#

Just when it does it’s tilting

winter shoal
#

Should look more or less like this

#

Reck generates 20, charge generates 40 (20x2 from reck), ava generates 20 (10x2 from reck) = 80

#

if you reck before combat starts, you'll degen rage from being out of combat and end up at 79

#

But you shouldn't need to RB more than once

mossy pelican
#

Bros recking before combat and getting insta parried sadge

winter shoal
#

Auto attack parry shouldn't matter

marble pilot
#

More likely recking before combat starts and losing the buff

bold osprey
#

Is MT "easier" at Bandit? Dont really know whether to pick slayer or MT.

edgy widget
#

if you're trying to do add damage it is, if you're just trying to tunnel boss Slayer is at least as easy

bold osprey
#

We are "skipping" alls relevant phases and just cleave the add near the boss. Seems like slayer is the way then ty!

winter shoal
marble pilot
#

Either add heroic throw before you charge to make sure it doesnt happen. Or delay like 0.5 second on charge to make sure combat has acutally started before you reck/avatar/charge

cosmic sundial
#

That’s my macro

cosmic sundial
marble pilot
#

I think the macro would work fine. I like having charge on a different button but I dont think it matters. Just gotta make sure you do it after combat starts or it wipes out your buffs.
Can make sure it starts by heroic throwing before you hit the macro. Or just sit in charge range and react to someone else starting it on the pull timer.

cosmic sundial
gilded pawn
#

Also there’s nothing wrong with raw charging

#

Hit it couple times

#

Then reck Ava opener

cosmic sundial
#

Since charge isn’t during reck

gilded pawn
#

And it won’t affect your parse

#

To lose 20 rage over the course of a fight

cosmic sundial
gilded pawn
#

Then yeah

marble pilot
#

Losing the whole opener vs delaying it by half a second isnt not even a contest

gilded pawn
#

Then just raw charge

#

20 rage over thousands of rage over a fight is nothing

marble pilot
#

I just sit in charge range and react to the boss being pulled. When you are expecting it the reaction time is less than half a global

cosmic sundial
#

Fair enough. I tend to just react to the timer ending lol

gilded pawn
#

And doing your opener optimally in raid is about 0.1% of your damage if that

#

It’s more relevant in m+

#

Because you are doing an opener about 20 times

marble pilot
#

If you are going to react to the timer ending the heroic throw then hit the macro

graceful dock
#

rank 1 log on bandit uses odyns fury? :O

marble pilot
#

The heroic throw starts combat so your buffs dont get eaten

cosmic sundial
#

I can just delay it like you said though. I didn’t understand that in/out of combat was raid wide and not player dependent

winter shoal
marble pilot
#

Yeah it is new part way through this season

#

Before if you hit the macro 0.1 seconds early nothing happened. Now it eats your buffs

compact knot
#

100%

compact knot
#

stix fake boss though

gilded pawn
#

@winter shoal curious if you can sim for me the dps loss for a “suboptimal opener” in 5 min

winter shoal
#

The only things I know that get canceled in raid are arms sweeping strikes (but not the SS proc from berserker's torment for some reason)

graceful dock
#

are there any other uses for odyns?

#

besides odyns/stix?

compact knot
#

not really

winter shoal
marble pilot
gilded pawn
#

I can’t access apl on my phone

#

Else I can tell you how

cosmic sundial
marble pilot
#

They say they fixed it. But you dont have the rage on the log.

winter shoal
winter shoal
cosmic sundial
#

Tfw still top damage on pull with so much downtime

marble pilot
#

Yeah but look at resources they have 0 rage

compact knot
#

if you prepull reck/avatar you will lose the rage when you are the first to charge

gilded pawn
#

That should work

winter shoal
compact knot
#

its always been like this, you lose rage when you enter combat

marble pilot
#

So either heroic throw before charge to make sure combat has started. Or react to someone else hitting the boss to make sure rage doesnt get eaten.

compact knot
#

yes

#

personally i just react

marble pilot
#

Same

compact knot
#

but heroic throw is good too to force it

gilded pawn
#

Oh add a line to hold avatar\reck until 2 seconds into combat

#

That should work

winter shoal
#

raidbots down gg

compact knot
#

om

gilded pawn
#

Just add “and combat time>2”

#

Or something like that

#

As for how to do that

#

Good luck

#

It wouldn’t bs early either because bs checks for reck cd

marble pilot
#

Overthinking it. React or heroic throw. Works on every single pull. And you are not wasting potentially 2 seconds of lust

winter shoal
#

I think it's just if=time>2

#

Will run once raidbots gets its act together

gilded pawn
#

Yeah that works

#

I’m a fan of heroic throw myself

#

But some ppl don’t even have it bound

marble pilot
#

Mouse wheel up for me. Its my pulling tool. Same keybind for prot/fury
Sometimes you are standing out of range and need to do something

#

Mouse down is execute. Some people hate that. I put camera zoom on shift mouse up/down cause I use that way less often.

#

Every toon though mouse up is a pulling tool mouse down is a priority proc of some kind.

graceful dock
#

how big are usually the changes between season?

#

are we very likely to have very different talent setups?

marble pilot
#

All depends on tier sets. Balance could change a lot with mini reworks but they are less common

gilded pawn
#

We are going into the 3rd tier

#

So likely something will change

#

1st tier has the weakest sets

#

2nd tier sometimes

#

But arms went through 6 tier sets without it influencing talents

winter shoal
#

They're also probably going to change RA for the 6th patch in a row

iron portal
#

1st tier we played RA, this tier we playing AM , who knows what will be for 3rd

gilded pawn
#

Neither

#

We skip that node

winter shoal
#

OS and OF would have to go 🅱️RAZY for that to be the case

graceful dock
#

i miss odyns fury sadge

gilded pawn
#

Os buffs of every cast

#

So you are forced to take both

#

Easy

frank dawn
#

delete this

gilded pawn
#

And 2 set is like os cd

graceful dock
#

imagine they remove odyns fury and thunderous roar target cap :O

#

id be so happy playing OF again

clever belfry
#

true

modest condor
gilded pawn
modest condor
#

they only capped the initial hit, which is like 0.3% of your damage

gilded pawn
#

So it’s not worth pressing until 10t

graceful dock
gilded pawn
#

Odyns just needs a tuning lever for low/high target cleave

winter shoal
#

I think DB vs TR is meant to be that lever

gilded pawn
#

Yeah though TR is not strong enough of a lever

winter shoal
#

DB also very useless without anni

#

RIPBOZO smoking the anni pack again today

gilded pawn
#

Not only that

#

When we were zeroed on aura buffs on ptr

#

Autos weren’t increased

#

So autos were just nerfed by 33%

#

Is raidbots up

winter shoal
#

no

modest condor
#

they just need to tune auto attacks to be a meaningful amount of our damage

#

if auto attacks are 8% of your damage at a baseline then DB is very strong

gilded pawn
#

Ye exactly

#

That’s what I mean

slim coral
#

I agree

gilded pawn
#

Fine line to walk on though

dense elbow
#

I rather they just remove DB, than try to give OF a ST lever beyond the pure dam. Not to mention, empowering autoattacks is boring AF.

If they are dead set to give DB auto dam add value, easiest would to just add a flat dam bonus on autos for the duration

mystic hill
#

FUCK THIS BOSS

#

FUCK P1

chilly fractal
mystic hill
#

just chainpulling p1 made me dislike it greatly

#

prolly more fun in reclear

chilly fractal
#

How many pulls did it take you?

earnest canyon
bold osprey
#

When do you guys use the one-use BIS? In a Macro?

south kayak
#

Remember auto attack damage in legion?

#

Even afterwards it was pretty big

#

Now it’s way down

undone flower
south kayak
#

It was like 10% of your damage

#

Crazy

bold osprey
quiet breach
#

is it true rallying cry used to be 30% instead of 10%?

summer quail
quiet breach
#

I feel like it fukkin sucks now I'm ngl

summer quail
#

was OP in shadowlands and it's shit now

undone flower
modest condor
#

we could get it up to like 18 seconds duration or something

summer quail
#

ahh there it is. belt buffs

vagrant imp
#

Thane plus belt, need all the lightnings!

red berry
#

haste/crit 45/43% buff where mastery copped 8% and

#

vers technically a nerf?

vagrant imp
#

I wanna look like a Dual weilding Teslacoil

frank dawn
#

massive buffs to borrowed power the weekend before patch launch

#

classic

quiet breach
shadow maple
#

now the belt is worth?

slim coral
#

Yes

indigo quarry
#

the belt isnt a good tool to educate people

slim coral
#

Just like they did the ring

sullen dove
#

and the other ring

indigo quarry
#

oh wait we werent talking about education of the children

slim coral
#

And the trinkets

sullen dove
#

What trinket

indigo quarry
#

fucking gimmicky gear

#

it needs to die

slim coral
slim coral
#

They buff and nerf trinkets all the time

sullen dove
#

yea that’s random seasonal stuff tho

slim coral
#

This is also random seasonal stuff

sullen dove
#

this more specific too the random .7 patch item

slim coral
sullen dove
#

Onyx annulet and circlet and this

slim coral
#

Don’t worry swordish I made a guide for the belt just for you bud

sullen dove
#

yeah I’ll definitely take a look at that

slim coral
sullen dove
#

And not just read the post in wow updates on Tuesday

slim coral
slim coral
#

It’s hard for us warriors

marble pilot
#

Without doing any research at all I assume we take mastery proc for bis. Or a damage proc if the effect is fun

junior gale
tawny spindle
remote bobcat
#

likely cyrces all over again

undone flower
#

I think it was already usable but at the end ilvl

remote bobcat
#

oh ye it was competitive with myth belts iirc

#

but it didnt big diffy them

undone flower
#

But you right it is exact same as cyrce / when it was unusable on loot (started at 626 / vague memory)

modern ingot
#

We got any sims for the buffed version ? Mastery for M+ and charged bolts for ST ? Or am i tripping.

plush maple
#

Since they brought back Horrific visions I can’t wait for Heart of Azeroth comeback, fits more thematically than horrific visions and you get a second attempt at ”Azeroths champion” title

sinful spoke
#

@slim coral tutorial how to get rainbow name

undone flower
#

Polychrome*

south kayak
#

They’re actually doing tuning for mop classic

#

Interesting

silk wharf
#

Maybe they'll nerf warlock dart pact by like .5% so it doesn't solo boss mechanics.

south kayak
gilded pawn
#

people are focusing WAY too much on 0.x% damage

#

now im curious on reck charge spells ava

#

but i dont care enough

silk wharf
#

I just use my both macro. So what if I lose half a second on a single avatar while I am charging.

gilded pawn
#

its not about losing the ava

#

its more about the 80 vs 79 rage thing

undone flower
#

Yeah not being able to rampage as first gcd is the big F

tepid cedar
#

Do we have numbers for fury with the new belt yet?

dense elbow
#

nope

whole yacht
sinful spoke
sinful spoke
cosmic sundial
#

@remote bobcat if I send you a log of me doing loboz will you tell me what I'm doing wrong

whole yacht
remote bobcat
steep anchor
#

"you can only equip one item in the void touched category"

seramore

#

thought 5 masking would be actually helpful to gear my new alt

echo rapids
covert blaze
sinful spoke
#

only a few

#

lemon isnt

whole yacht
#

HWAT

sinful spoke
#

rimuru pfp

whole yacht
#

brother

#

you have animated weeb shit as your banner.

#

and i wont even mention YOUR pfp

#

smh

chilly fractal
#

Never forget the real bro Rimuru had before reincarnation that tossed his PC in the bath so nobody would see his porn collection

whole yacht
#

true

#

wasnt that his student or something?

chilly fractal
#

Thought it was a coworker

#

I forget

whole yacht
#

i also forget, its been a whilke

#

while*

sinful spoke
#

thats magik

#

get it right

#

weeb

whole yacht
#

"thats magik blah blah"

#

brother its animated ass on your pfp

#

could have picked any number of images of magik, but you got her ass right up front

#

smh

plush zephyr
#

Magik?

sinful spoke
#

@slim coral did i pass u yet

slim coral
sinful spoke
#

i saw that

crude ridge
#

Note to self never BS when you have to dunk the coin on OAB

sinful spoke
#

yeah

#

i found that out last week when i went slayer for reclear

muted meteor
#

my sim is telling me to go very vers heavy and only got 47% mastery, seems a bit low for fury idk

sullen tendon
sinful spoke
#

cause arms spec

#

i was in sproc before i logged out

sullen tendon
sinful spoke
#

was doing really good till bladestorm turned on me

#

ran out right as suck in happened

#

and i died

sullen dove
sinful spoke
#

ilvl

sullen dove
#

literally only missing ilvl from 2 embellishments

#

if he has higher ilvl he's dumb

#

that is effectively capped ilvl

#

till next week at least

sinful spoke
#

true execute bazed

cosmic sundial
#

Any weakaura chads available to give me a hand with one in vc?

winter shoal
muted meteor
#

how do u macro to use tempered potion?

sullen dove
#

/use tempered potion

muted meteor
#

doesnt work

sudden tusk
#

are you useing the potions from a cauldron

muted meteor
#

no

sudden tusk
#

they are named fleeting tempered potions

muted meteor
sullen dove
#

maybe capitalize the T and P idk

sudden tusk
#

ive never had an issue with /use Tempered Potion

sullen dove
#

but should work like dat

muted meteor
sudden tusk
#

That should work

#

also

hardy cargo
#

maybe something stupid like an extra space somewhere in the line?

muted meteor
hardy cargo
#

o7

sudden tusk
#

did you use this macro before a boss pull and it didnt get reset

#

on cd maybe?

muted meteor
#

No im testing on dummy just made it

winter shoal
#

is your pot on cd

#

from testing

muted meteor
#

No

sudden tusk
#

fuck it im bored go to general and share screen

hardy cargo
#

is it using your trinket

muted meteor
#

Ye

hardy cargo
#

and avatar

muted meteor
#

Ye

#

All except pot

#

Even when avator and trinket on cd and i press it it should still use the pot ( if not on cd) but it doesnt idk

winter shoal
winter shoal
#

not the 111movies

sudden tusk
# muted meteor Ye

is it a new macro, are you sure you replaced the existing one on your bar with it

hardy cargo
#

inb4 thats it

#

LOL

sudden tusk
#

Macros dont have an indicator if its a macro or the ability and i've goofed multiple times becuase the bar doesnt show it as a macro

hardy cargo
#

theres some option to show the macro text on an ability

#

on action bars

winter shoal
#

I think that's an elvui thing madox

#

default ui shows the macro name

winter shoal
#

default ui also nukes your eyeballs though

hardy cargo
#

oh if its an elvui thing u can def turn the macro text on I have mine on so I know if its my goat charge macro or not

feral ivy
sudden tusk
#

wooo

#

@muted meteor did it end up being the macro not being placed

winter shoal
feral ivy
#

i could've saved my cd for last set of adds but i was panicing and threw it

winter shoal
#

Ascension diff

#

it also might not be putting an enchant on the cappy p

muted meteor
sudden tusk
#

:p have a good workday man hope its the fix

muted meteor
#

Ty ty will try to remember to replace on actionbar tonight 💀

sullen tendon
#

when are blizzard emergency buffing fury

sullen dove
#

rank 28 overall spec on gally

#

nahh

winter shoal
#

Large

#

I did kinda stinky on that boss, need to watch the vod and figure out what I did wrong

#

Were you meleeing during the blue circle swordish?

#

Oh wait

#

I thought you meant you got rank 28 on gally for spec

#

I think I'm becoming less literate every day

sullen dove
#

not me i mean

#

the rank 28 spec of all specs is a fury

#

ergo fury is fine doesnt need a buff

#

i think i would like to attempt the meleeing during blue

#

i tested in p1 does like maybe 70% hp

#

just mildly more worried about it during p2/3 with all the extra dmg but maybe with planned cds its fine

#

got like 27% from 51

winter shoal
#

I just didn't want to do it during trial

#

Feel like it's a bad look, especially if I fuck it up and die

#

I think with SR + dstance you're chillin

#

at max melee

modest condor
#

when are stormforged getting a cool effect added to the name

#

i feel left out

winter shoal
#

When madox gets yellow

#

surely

modest condor
feral ivy
#

It’s free demo game atm

hardy cargo
#

lock n stalk popped the fuck off

#

big grats brother gladge

limber oar
#

im a big locknstalk advocate

#

shit cranks