I'll be sure to point it out to people then when if I ever see in the future, assuming I play the game again, that I saw a meta spec do less than I did, or tank dps 👍
#fury
oblique trail
Because then I can change the community's perception that said meta spec is in fact bad
Based on my empirical experience
storm birch
Yea idk how it is up for argument that it is or isn’t a bad that when our dmg is half another specs in first pulls and there’s a key brick that it doesn’t shine a pretty bad light
oblique trail
I'm not saying Fury is great for high keys, or infinitely better than people think it is, but it's an incredibly weak argument to say everyone judges a spec from singular failed pulls because it's not just a single specs damage that causes a wipe to happen
storm birch
Def not a sole indicator of anything but it’s clearly going to add some influence
dense elbow
I'll be sure to point it out to people then when if I ever see in the future, as...
Problem is, even the best Fury Warrior world, is far behind a mediocre mass DPS class on those pulls.
It will still be what the people see early, and they will still fail early.
vague tapir
I don't remember that but I do have this
You are a gentleman and a scholar ❤️
lone zinc
Bruh fury is ass, nuff said lmao
dense elbow
Fury aint ass 
storm birch
Was he being monolithic when he talked about first pulls? I thought he was just saying it looks bad not that the entire community opinion is shaped off bad pulls
lone zinc
i still play it tho XD
oblique trail
you need to logout
dense elbow
I am glad that even in your dreams, you know that getting a 100 is impossible
(had to soften it)
flat river
XD
dense elbow
Was he being monolithic when he talked about first pulls? I thought he was just ...
Literally talking about how first impression matters, in essence. Not that they are or should be all that matters 
Many believe it is my stance, even as I personally disagree with it. It is a thing people do base their opinion on when it comes to Fury and viability.
You only see them being tank DPS, ya naturally avoid em.
(mdi physical god comp was a blessing for us)
storm birch
I’ve stopped even getting invited to full physical comps that literally just need a warrior presumably cause they just want arms
dense elbow
Even torpedo groups? 2x rogue, Fury, monk, druid
storm birch
Haha I haven’t seen them 🤣🤣
Actually maybe I did see 1 group with double rogue
I don’t really see many mistweavers sadly
dense elbow
Do your best to get into one, it feels silky smooth
Ya don't do 14+ pulls, just a stream of around 8, so it is efficient and with rogues 100% safe.
No need to pulls 15 mobs, having Fury doing basically 0 efficient DPS, when you can pull closer to 5 and our cleave helps killing all of it in a steady manner
sullen dove
smoky vale
<:detective:912341312907378689>
gmish
noble elm
Wouldn’t bis fury group be brew/rogue/rogue/fury/sham?
Second rogue irrelevant but if you’re pulling for comp
smoky vale
no
bear is better than brew
tankier
you're better of playing mw
or ww
if you play ww you play shaman
and if you play mw you can also play shaman or hunter
dense elbow
Belt info out, drum roll 🥁 Tldr: belt bad
smoky vale
also prot is just the better warrior
dense elbow
Pwarr is just better warrior 
dense elbow
Guardian, Fury, MM, rogue, mist
smoky vale
me when its worse
dense elbow
Fury makes up for it on prio dam
smoky vale
you are dumb
smoky vale
me when ww does more prio and aoe than fury
dense elbow
Me when you dont at that point just play pure meta
smoky vale
that is the best warrior comp
dense elbow
🚪 👈
smoky vale
and os
sand crest
damn gala is not very nice today
frank dawn
but is he wrong
dense elbow
Yes. Always. Every time.
frank dawn
oh, ok then
dense elbow
Glad we agree. Now, move along.
plush tide
What talent/ability is causing the border of the icon for Raging Blow to pulse? Cruelty buffs RB damage when enraged and I have Improved Raging Blow which gives it a 25% chane to reset cooldown. Are one of those what causes the icon to pulse?
dense elbow
Tierset, probably. If you got oppertunist, that does it as well.
plush tide
I'm only level 67
plush tide
ok thanks
pliant summit
yooo happy pride month gang
thinking of getting back into the game is mountain thane still better the slayer???
fickle cedar
for m+ yeah
pliant summit
like how bad we talkin can i still be competitive with slayer or is thane that much better 😭😭💔
fickle cedar
well it depends on how much you're pushing, 14+ thane is usually better, under than it doesnt matter as much
dense elbow
slayer wont be the reason you wont time a key
remote bobcat
like how bad we talkin can i still be competitive with slayer or is thane that m...
you wont deplete a key because you're slayer. ever.
dense elbow
eeeehm, maybe at the very tippity edge
where every 0.5% matter
Guess we can argue that if you failed the timer by a few sec, and everyone played perfectly otherwise, it was the fault of being slayer
modest condor
if you make mistakes the hero spec still makes the difference
dense elbow
hm, what if you get more value from being more frontloaded as slayer?
fickle cedar
you are tankier as thane if i recall correctly too
modest condor
"just play better 4head" yeah or play the spec that does more damage
fickle cedar
thats mr loboz
dense elbow
Then you would be able to do 20s
dense elbow
...clearly not 
fickle cedar
the only mistake he made is going slayer, clean record after that
pliant summit
i taught them how to play slayer trust me
dense elbow
i trust
pliant summit
thank you bro ❤️🩹
alright i’ve come to a conclusion
i’m gonna play slayer
and push i’ll be back in a week
fickle cedar
gl you got this its fun, gamble with BT all day btw
flat river
its 50/50
dense elbow
10/10, dont want to see again
flat river
you either get it or u dont
sour frigate
10/10, dont want to see again
playing ench looks fun 
(i dont know what im pressing)
sour frigate
😦
fickle cedar
love playing arcane rn, kinda peak design tbh (aside from orbs pulling 
)
south kayak
love playing outlaw
dense elbow
I just join as prot
They go "you dont tank", I say "Sorry, thought I signed as DPS, want me to leave?"
I get to stay, every time, 50% of the time
sour frigate
based
dense elbow
1 hour que timer, made me turn to the dark arts
south kayak
bro 99% of the time that's a kicjk
dense elbow
closer to 70%
Trick is the "want me to leave" and prey upon the kindness of their heart
south kayak
brutal
sour frigate
🥹
flat river
2% best pull
remote bobcat
Why not 0
remote bobcat
what
remote bobcat
your name starts with an S
flat river
i got knocked into a bomb
remote bobcat
and ends in N
remote bobcat
bruh.
flat river
people dont know my game name and thats for the best trust
or else they wont invite me
flat river
lies u invited me to seasonal
flat river
:3
remote bobcat
but you do need to recraft to arms
flat river
never
dense elbow
Guy plays mechanics badly
Kronzo: You should try a different spec you are not used to
flat river
xd
thick fossil
I was gonna guess Gronk
flat river
xd
dense elbow
Well, he got stronk in the name
thick fossil
Only 20 or so of em in here. Sure one of em won't hate taking the blame. 
dense elbow
Stronk... hmmm, what could be.
Gala doesnt end with n.
Mysteries within mysteries.
thick fossil
What a tangled web....
remote bobcat
i could reveal it
dense elbow
You know, lets talk about something else. How about pokemon.
remote bobcat
remote bobcat
You know, lets talk about something else. How about pokemon.
LMAO
thick fossil
dense elbow
flat river
https://tenor.com/view/skyfox-cute-fox-love-gif-8365474
what about UwU
thick fossil
I was too old when Pokémon came out.
dense elbow
Oh really? Doubt that
remote bobcat
I was too old when Pokémon came out.
how old are you
thick fossil
UwU is a degen thing
dense elbow
Noone was too old for pokemon
thick fossil
how old are you
Possibly old enough to be your mother.
flat river
UwU
thick fossil
North of 40
flat river
so 49?
dense elbow
dense elbow
add some
unborn rover
What would east and west of 40 be? 40.8???42.77524385??????
dense elbow
Easy would be 04
remote bobcat
What would east and west of 40 be? 40.8???42.77524385??????
yes
tepid cedar
What’s up you sexy mother furys
dense elbow
The end is nigh
remote bobcat
What’s up you sexy mother furys
im going arms this week
recrafting back to fury next week
dense elbow
You are dead to us, please leave... it is as hard for us, that it is for you!
remote bobcat
thats cuz i did first reclear as fury
dense elbow
Go now! Goooo!
remote bobcat
my next one is arms
dense elbow
GO!
remote bobcat
remote bobcat
You are dead to us, please leave... it is as hard for us, that it is for you!
I know you like me
i supported your builds all this time
im on your side of the world
dense elbow
Damage is done, you a wallE now
dense elbow
flat river
i dont one trick a spec
SPEC TRAITOOR
only acceptable if u swap prot
but dps fury only
also prot if the situation calls for it
like your party is full of dps
flat river
48?
iron portal
Heeeeere we go
thick fossil
I did visions just enough to unlock greater enchants. Haven't gone back since.
flat river
Heeeeere we go
wallahi u cheated the first one]
u reached 1 hp and went immune cause of a special effect u had on
for 10 SECONDS'
thick fossil
Lol
potent nacelle
are bis (as offhand), hoc and/or jastor worth taking from hc ilvl with dinars?
flat river
jastors: yes
fickle cedar
jastor yes
potent nacelle
so with dinars jastors would be a good 1st pick?
i guess pacemaker 684 its also nice
fickle cedar
yeah its big too
but maybe you roll big in vault and get it so up to you to decide in which order you want them
flat river
technically u can buy both
potent nacelle
thanks, i was hesitant with raid hc items mostly, knowing that jastors > all then you really help me 🙂
potent nacelle
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069/137188788239...
thanks! I was trying to find something like that on dps-faq
remote bobcat
@flat river @dense elbow you're just jealous you dont hit buttons like i do
flat river
<@451392607495520257> <@237283524040851459> you're just jealous you dont hit but...
imagine playing arms
void willow
whats up with me missing this achievement btw
Achiev was added when visions were added
So just means you aint done it since then
modest condor
when your healer dies but you have enough selfhealing
remote bobcat
when your healer dies but you have enough selfhealing
second wind goes hard
shadow maple
the new belt is coming is worth to use?
fickle cedar
from the wowhead post it seems like it might need a buff
shadow maple
i didnt see the post what says?
dense elbow
When your healer dies, starts complaining about having to heal everyone and the tank... then you finish the boss fight 80% to 0% without em.
The "?" in chat after is always chefs kiss
fading sky
whats up with me missing this achievement btw
Deemed u were carried
remote bobcat
Deemed u were carried
excuse me
fading sky
🤣
arctic portal
remote bobcat
but hes arms
675 arms
flat river
again i say i dont believe him
thorny peak
3k rating achieved ..... feelsokman
sullen dove
when your healer dies but you have enough selfhealing
(definitely died right after or else wouldn’t be seeing this)
modest condor
(definitely died right after or else wouldn’t be seeing this) <:clueless:1099922...
tank died
orchid dagger
The secret tech of Taunt + Shield Block
rose swift
I have a quick question, do you guys find with high Haste an BL your animations kinda go whack? I happens on arms a bit but mostly on fury that the animations just don't happen. I find it hard as I use the sound queues to time my abilities
Especially on rampage
sullen tendon
winter shoal
I have a quick question, do you guys find with high Haste an BL your animations ...
Yeah animations break sometimes with high haste
dense elbow
Heh, I get it Bobby. True and real
winter shoal
I think in particular ramp -> BT causes issues?
toxic jewel
is there a "sweet spot" that you want your haste to be at?
sullen tendon
not enough is too low but good enough is where you want to be at
toxic jewel
that was helpful, ty
sullen tendon
np
remote bobcat
is there a "sweet spot" that you want your haste to be at?
stats dont have sweetspots in wow, you sim your gear and you find out whats best
toxic jewel
oh i'm aware of that
sour frigate
oh i'm aware of that
u can check what people go on murlok.io
toxic jewel
i see crit haste, i see crit mast, haste mast, mast vers lol
i've simmed on different gear n such and it all is around the same, was just trying to get some more imput on whatever lol
hoary agate
u can check what people go on murlok.io
You forgot to recommend installing pawn add-on and true stat values and to focus on diminishing returns
sour frigate
You forgot to recommend installing pawn add-on and true stat values and to focus...
what
winter shoal
I believe they're making fun of you
What's the point of checking murlok when you can just sim your guy
Same thing with pawn and true stat values
They're just worse versions of simming your own characters
orchid dagger
What's the point of checking murlok when you can just sim your guy
you can't for pvp, and at some point it does just boil down to feelcrafting
orchid dagger
like when the robot spits out it being a cunthair of a difference, you do have to just make a judgment call
winter shoal
you can't for pvp, and at some point it does just boil down to feelcrafting
mickey mouse game mode
orchid dagger
stack the mastery for pvp
Haste lol
mash buttons faster into mages
Powerful Frenzy covers most of the Mastery needs
sudden tusk
i just do solo que rbg and w key til the match is over
takes forever to get the eel mount tho
orchid dagger
takes forever to get the eel mount tho
if you are bad
sudden tusk
you only get like 2-3% for a win
even for rbg its boring
ill be like 2100 or more by the time i get it
idc about those rewards
orchid dagger
I've already got my mount and halfway to a saddle barely playing this season
idk what to tell you
sudden tusk
i just went to 1800 becuase i was bored
and then im only 30% of the way in after 1950
bordge
young swan
when madox strong return to rivals
flyer meta very powerful surely the black widow main iwll ahve fun
sudden tusk
i havent touched the game in so long
geared 4 characters raiding in ffxiv and i want to play bg3 again
fps pash low
sullen dove
sudden tusk
sullen tendon
is it moral to que into keys as arms then switch to fury before pull?
cosmic pulsar
question for fury warriors ... do you turn your loot spec to arms so you get 2h weapons as loot?
winter shoal
I was talking to Liebe but sure do whatever
If you're good at the game, your spec doesn't really matter much for not-super-high keys
sullen tendon
If you're good at the game, your spec doesn't really matter much for not-super-h...
it defintely does matter when you are trying to get invited to things
winter shoal
I meant with respect to the morality of swapping
sullen tendon
you could have the same io as a balance druid or unholy dk and they will get picked over you 90% of the time
winter shoal
If you aren't causing keys to not be timed, it doesn't matter
undone flower
is it moral to que into keys as arms then switch to fury before pull?
I play since bfa and I saw too many ferals sneak into my keys as balance, why not be sneaky fury
orchid dagger
I play since bfa and I saw too many ferals sneak into my keys as balance, why no...
Brown doesn't get picked unless prot
undone flower
I guess stealth check will be more difficult
orchid dagger
Go PvP if you want realistic timers on actually playing the game
Or you have to have a pre-made ready to go
undone flower
I don’t think the tip play the mmorpg with friends really works, after seeing so many not follow it
Maybe we need to write in all caps
orchid dagger
Maybe we need to write in all caps
GO PLAY A DIFFERENT CLASS IF YOU WANT NICE THINGS
does that help?
modest condor
yes thanks
wise solar
is it moral to que into keys as arms then switch to fury before pull?
Actually half of my keys are done like this 😄 So give it a try 😄 (if it is resi key, they will kick you if fail, thats the neat part :D)
vague sierra
That does sound like a quick way to not get invited to keys after a while tho lol
sullen tendon
That does sound like a quick way to not get invited to keys after a while tho lo...
oh come on its not like theres only a few hundred players doing any keys above 17s that would never happen
wise solar
That does sound like a quick way to not get invited to keys after a while tho lo...
Usually I pump so idk. Maybe they ignore me, but I will never know
gritty crane
Hello guy, I am looking for an alt dps and tried WW but it feels soo gimmicky with it's fist ability...I hate it. I need a bad ass class that really makes me feel like a man and I think war is the one. I have one question though, when spec'ing for M+ the guide says to use ravager. Do i macro the ability to cursor or @player? Also is Mountain thane the way to go for M+ or Slayer, there are two trees.
orchid dagger
Hello guy, I am looking for an alt dps and tried WW but it feels soo gimmicky wi...
@cursor if you can aim it, @player if you are shit at landing it
gritty crane
Right on, and just making sure....there is no other class more bad ass than war? Like that bad ass feeling when using your abilities.
undone flower
If you are more into magic / blow up spells, there is ret
I find monk has cool spells like the plunderstorm spell+ the jump kick, makes me feel im just drunk
For fury related cool stuff, the rotation is mostly what attracts ppl I think, and no lot of magic flavor
orchid dagger
Right on, and just making sure....there is no other class more bad ass than war?...
War doesnt feel bad to play, we just have no damage/relevant utility
undone flower
Bladestorm when it does damage can be cool
(I don’t find ravager particularly cool)
Thunderblast is more what I like for the current m+ fury I guess sound/whatever wise
gritty crane
One thing I really like about monk is the mobility which war is not far off. I just don't like fist..it really ruins the class for me. I want a class that when you use it's abilities it feels/sounds like you are hitting hard. My main is a prot pally but I am tired of ret, had enough of it this xpac. I've never played war besides casual settings that's why I ask questions about it before I start investing time into it.
undone flower
Yes the fists is a stop in the flow I don’t like on ww / why I don’t play it
Frost dk is cool too / im more aware of melees and tanks, i can’t help with a lot of ranges or healers
orchid dagger
One thing I really like about monk is the mobility which war is not far off. I j...
Bladestorm is basically like FoF as far as a stop in the action
plush zephyr
sf fire mage is my favorite to alt because combust feels so good
Feels kinda similar to fury/arms to me for some reason and idk why
Also you’re in melee range
All the time
sudden tusk
outlaw rogue gaming
wise solar
If you like high CPM like warrior and very good animations, then Outlaw Rogue.
It is way harder to play it good, if you want to perform at the same level as a good fury, but it is very fun to play.
wise solar
outlaw rogue gaming
LoL, mind link
inland flame
I'm having a lot of fun on my Assa rogue rn but I've become radicalized about reworking both of their hero talents
sudden tusk
outlaw is so fun
to be fair i also use a weak aura that yells at me to RtB and KiR
so i dont have to actually play it
i just hit buttons
inland flame
Deathmark is fine but if you accidentally put it on something that doesn't proc Midnight when it dies and you don't have vanish you literally don't have your hero talent for a while, that probably shouldn't ever be allowed to be the case.
I remember the first time I learned that the hard way on Vexie I was so triggered
modern slate
need help , which embellishment for Furry Cloak?
sudden tusk
duskthread
covert blaze
duskthread
undone flower
I'm having a lot of fun on my Assa rogue rn but I've become radicalized about re...
the first time I did ansurek on my rogue
Forget about the hero mark, intermission happens, realize I don’t have a hero talent for the next min
inland flame
I feel like it's the vanilla combo points problem all over again. I know it goes against the fantasy of Deathmark but something like that just needs to be on us and not the target, or make the Deathmark mechanic a smaller deal and give us the rotating stacks in another way.
orchid dagger
Its the pve issue of "you cant have 100% uptime on an enemy"
robust basin
https://tenor.com/view/super-broly-says-lock-in-gif-13828656443213483043
0% wipe
inland flame
frank dawn
Grats!
plush zephyr
Gz!
young swan
yuge
earnest canyon
Hi, I liked you the movie Akira
open prairie
Forget about the hero mark, intermission happens, realize I don’t have a hero ta...
Yeah on mythic you had to plan your globals to not go into intermission without a hero talent.
Current season its slightly not as bad since the played build doesnt use vanish for dps
undone flower
But overall I like the mechanic, unfortunately you need addons to filter a billion tracked debuffs on enemies as ass rogue / or have target focus macro I guess
open prairie
I chuckle anytime i see oneshoulder magetower transmog mogs.
open prairie
But overall I like the mechanic, unfortunately you need addons to filter a billi...
some people mouseover bleeds, you always want to auto your main target as much for one of your hero talents though
tepid cedar
damn so close to 3.15, guess have to wait for the belt to get to 3.146 lolz
red berry
they might buff the belt
but
who knows
i suppose they could nerf circlet and buff belt
hoary agate
Don't worry a new ring is coming, for fury only no stats but it increases target cap to 10
chilly fractal
Don't worry a new ring is coming, for fury only no stats but it increases target...
Ilvl 700+ Old Warrior Soul - does the same thing as before and removes target cap
sour frigate
tepid cedar
Ilvl 700+ Old Warrior Soul - does the same thing as before and removes target ca...
i mis that trinket
stil got my 259ilvl in vault as treasure just bc of how good it was lol
chilly fractal
When fated came out we did a heroic run so people could try and save dinars
Our blood DK looted one then one of our other warriors looted one
I thought I’d have to wait and use a dinar since nobody wanted to do Mythic Sylvanas Fated
And then… a miracle
A 3rd Old Warrior Soul dropped for me
A moment that we still reference in my guild to this day
tepid cedar
MISS THIS
eternal sundial
it was so dogshit gamba
bitter palm
it was so dogshit gamba
warriors played 10x better
worth
gavel jail but better gameplay
eternal sundial
bro we had
bitter palm
mortal combo on opener
bitter palm
pile on
boosted tactician ye
bro i said
give us
sl arms with dreamweaver aftershock self pi
pile on and battlelord
eternal sundial
@bitter palmgaming btw
bitter palm
i thought mop was out
pure breach
August
bitter palm
peep vigilance
2 min
eternal sundial
for all my spells
bitter palm
12s 30% external dr
bitter palm
stormbolt
eternal sundial
this and rally and skull banner
feels completely op
but also im only war in our 10 man
so i get all plate loot i think
@bitter palm
bitter palm
but also im only war in our 10 man
get me in so we can split loot
sour frigate
@dense elbow at least fury is good in TOP (even tho with 10 ilvls diff)
bitter palm
idk cant tell
eternal sundial
me neither
bitter palm
there is leap in cata
oh
ye
no leap is unplayable ngl
feels so shit
in wotlk
bitter palm
cata i mean
bro
commanding shout + rally + demo banner + vigilance
the amount of externals
is crazy wtf
tepid cedar
i fucking hate hunters and their OP cleave. mannn i wouldve absolutely shit on him,
eternal sundial
🫃
eternal sundial
i fucking hate hunters and their OP cleave. mannn i wouldve absolutely shit on ...
MM is also target capped
sir
eternal sundial
bitter palm
uncap cleave
eternal sundial
ignore that detail
bitter palm
why is cleave softcapped
tepid cedar
Just give us 8 targets or meatcleaver be 75%
remote bobcat
Just give us 8 targets or meatcleaver be 75%
that would be such a shit change
remote bobcat
yea but it would invite nerfs down the line
smoky vale
ignore that detail
hi im close to title
pure breach
<@692035495718551564>gaming btw
which realm are you playing phil?
pure breach
something with G
Gehenas?
eternal sundial
ye
smoky vale
need to find a tank player so its not turbo aids
sour frigate
based
remote bobcat
real
eternal sundial
and choose tank
i might have to tank the mop raidfs
idk yet
rlly hope I get to DPS
even tho pwar with vengence is apparently busted
south kayak
It’s not busted
Anyone with vengeance is the same
Not specifically warrior
If I were to play I think I’ll play warlock
bitter palm
even tho pwar with vengence is apparently busted
isnt everything busted in mop
or am i misinformed
eternal sundial
its the passive one iirc
eternal sundial
but meat cleaver
bitter palm
or something
south kayak
It is 10s lasts 10s
bitter palm
blade flurry ahh
south kayak
I don't know what blade flurry is in MoP but I assume it's a toggle
Unfortunately meat cleaver is trash in mop
south kayak
I guess
eternal sundial
gehennas
remote bobcat
i am leveling a warlock
Woyer or bust
south kayak
I already have a max level warrior'
flat river
pandaria isnt out yet is it?
eternal sundial
idc
flat river
cause im playing alliance
eternal sundial
even worse
eternal sundial
greg.png doesnt work if you arent greg
flat river
im 83
pure breach
Playing as a boomkin
eternal sundial
L
flat river
L
pure breach
W
tepid cedar
heyoooo
glad tinsel
hello quick question is there a reason to play wrecking throw on mug zee or is it just for min maxing dmg with an extra dmg button?
actullay scrap i just remebered that teh adds boss spawns has shields
ops
karmic crow
hello quick question is there a reason to play wrecking throw on mug zee or is i...
Uhh mugzee doesn’t have a shield unless you miss a kick on the adds
Am I missing something. I killed it 3 weeks ago and I’ve already got brain fog
glad tinsel
Uhh mugzee doesn’t have a shield unless you miss a kick on the adds
i miss understood when i read about teh mobs shield then good to know
karmic crow
I mean, what did he drop for it? It doesn’t hurt because chances are he will get a small shield at least once a pull
glad tinsel
i dotn know what he drops for it maybe pain and gain or second win
oblique trail
<@102464908976730112> whats the tierset called again
Pile On Pile On
smoky vale
no
torpid elbow
Whyyyyyy
smoky vale
fury sucks
torpid elbow
Arms and fury are basically in the same transition both not in a good spot rn
smoky vale
no
arms is better
it only really matters when doing 20s
and even then
you can play either
hollow moat
Yo.
Considering switching to fury from prot simply because holy shit the spec is fun
Kinda crazy but never even played fury properly.
Can you make it work with pugs? Or am I making my life sooo. Muuuuch. Haaaarder for puglife
mossy mountain
i think arms performs better than fury in m+ and it's still not a desired spec
unless you have friends to play with i don't recommend going dps warr and pugging
dense orbit
It could be worse, they could have chosen the challenge I originally intended to do on my fury warrior before having a reality check
Playing SMF
mossy mountain
💀
hollow moat
unless you have friends to play with i don't recommend going dps warr and puggin...
Every other time I knew this I would just re-roll. Done that since SL.
Tbf, mostly tanks and u get away with far more as tank than dps.
But u know what, fuck it I’m gonna go fury anyway and live to regret it. Cause I’m having too much fun 😂😂
gritty crane
Playing SMF <:keks:936231610850897992>
What is SMF
quiet breach
fury is straight up better than arms in raid overall if you are still progging imo
fury is significantly more survivable and is only slightly behind in damage on some fights (and damage doesn't matter anymore anyway)
junior oyster
Every other time I knew this I would just re-roll. Done that since SL.
Tbf, most...
Fun is always the correct choice
hollow moat
Fun is always the correct choice
For too long it hasen’t.
I don’t have a group, so I always pug to 3K then I’m out till next season.
Burned me out in a real way. Had 7 months off now.
But man fury is SO MUCH FUN.
Don’t even care what I’m doing I’m just poppin off 😂
junior oyster
I easily got all +12s pugging fury for the dinar trinks, but I've heard things aren't so great once you go up to where the air is thin
remote bobcat
yup
in 12s fury is barely behind arms, only by a little bit
in 18s fury gets gapped by a million dps in aoe heavy dungeons
echo rapids
Is the focus on uncapped aoe specs this season just a combination of the dungeon pool + less tank busters enabling huge pulls?
remote bobcat
Is the focus on uncapped aoe specs this season just a combination of the dungeon...
the dungeons are very open, we can pull a shitton whenever we decide to do so. There aren't as many casters in season 1 and collecting mobs is relatively easy. tank busters do exist and they do hurt but tanks always have a CD for em
and since we are on a timer
we get rewarded for pulling big
hollow moat
I easily got all +12s pugging fury for the dinar trinks, but I've heard things a...
I don’t have any plans on going further than 12-13’s. I’ve tanked mainly since SL too.
And dps have different challenges I need to adjust too anyway.
As long as I get my 3K 🙌
dense elbow
Ya will get your 3k, I believe in ya 
junior oyster
And what's more, you'll be playing a spec you have a blast with
hollow moat
Fury feels rather tanky too tbf. Probably because i never played plate classes. Dps I usually play is windwalker and havoc(havoc might be more tanky now due to the insane leech but one shots r still a thing). 🫠
remote bobcat
tbh its just sad that people go for arcane/boomkin/uhdk in 12s when they tend to underperform in +12 pugs
hollow moat
And yes ww has karma and defensives but it requires u to know when the spikes comes.
Tanks just zugzug
And zugzug got me to 15’ 😂
echo rapids
the dungeons are very open, we **can** pull a shitton whenever we decide to do s...
Makes sense
quiet breach
how do u see how many guilds have gotten CE in the world
that was annoying
is that the only way, scrolling 50 times thru progression tab of WCL?
remote bobcat
is that the only way, scrolling 50 times thru progression tab of WCL?
wowprogress.com, then scroll down
little finch
i think arms performs better than fury in m+ and it's still not a desired spec
at least fury smokes arms in boss damage
by a lot actually
remote bobcat
by a lot actually
thats kidna cope, fury doesnt smoke arms by that much
radiant plank
Fury copers in great 2025
little finch
I can easily do like 15% 20% more single target damage on boss using fury than arms
remote bobcat
do you even realize what 20% is at our current damage numbers?
in pure ST?
My guy
little finch
2m vs 2,40m
remote bobcat
the amount of cope is crazy with you rn
remote bobcat
well its an inaccurate example
If it was that insane, then fury would be beating arms in ToP consistently
little finch
ha, then I m a better fury player than arms , because that is how is goes in my exp
arms colossus in st fells kinda bad
fiery edge
radiant plank
Hey guys fury st is better cuz i dont know how to play arms
my take is correct
rest are wrong
remote bobcat
remote bobcat
whos the arms player
quiet breach
how many guilds do y'all predict will get CE by the end of the tier
remote bobcat
Spec traitor
i play arms, fury and prot
im not a spec traitor
i never was a spec onetrick
i play warrior.
dense elbow
Traitor
remote bobcat
dense elbow
gleaming siren
Hey guys fury st is better cuz i dont know how to play arms
I'm in this picture and I dont like it
modest condor
how many guilds do y'all predict will get CE by the end of the tier
2k or something
remote bobcat
Schmidi do you enjoy life rn
gleaming siren
pretty easy CE, not a short season
idk do I enjoy life
next week PoE season
so
And we prob raid Wed/Thurs next week so everyone can game PoE over the weekend
It's giga based
dense elbow
Is the % bonus dam maxed out, or will it keep going?
quiet breach
And we prob raid Wed/Thurs next week so everyone can game PoE over the weekend
prob raid? how do you not know when u raid
covert blaze
remote bobcat
Is the % bonus dam maxed out, or will it keep going?
i think 18% is max(?)
dense elbow
If it keeps going I will say all of the guilds
gleaming siren
prob raid? how do you not know when u raid
We fix raid times for the following week after our last raid of the week
🤷
quiet breach
wtf lol
gleaming siren
based on availability and other stuff
gleaming siren
Well
there's a default
but it's not set in stone
Why would it be we raid 4 days during prog it's not like most of us aren't flexible with the 2 farm nights per week
So if many people miss raid can just move it
echo rapids
If it keeps going I will say all of the guilds
No amount of bonus damage will save you on stix or sprocket mechanics
remote bobcat
No amount of bonus damage will save you on stix or sprocket mechanics
mugzee/gally? nah STIX he said STIX
dense elbow
No amount of bonus damage will save you on stix or sprocket mechanics
Me 1shotting the boss beggs to differ
echo rapids
mugzee/gally? nah STIX he said STIX
If your guild is stuck on stix because people mess up the balls, how will extra damage save you
remote bobcat
no its just that gallywix and mugzee are way more mechanically difficult than fuckin stix
echo rapids
Yeah they are
echo rapids
But look at the guilds on each boss
remote bobcat
echo rapids
There’s 1200 guilds that killed rik but not stix
They arnt stuck there because of damage
echo rapids
And im sure a lot of them quit because their group couldn’t do balls reliably
You could push the raid buff to 30% and they wouldn’t get it
remote bobcat
And im sure a lot of them quit because their group couldn’t do balls reliably
a lot of guilds quit prog before the turbo boost and all the % buffs even came out
back when numbers mattered
echo rapids
Sure but it’s a fight where extra damage numbers at this point really won’t help you
echo rapids
Is there a way to track kill times for new guilds killing stix? I bet it’s not even that much faster than early prog kills because the players arnt as good
tepid cedar
I don’t know why ppl think stix is hard man. Legit took me like 4 pulls to understand the shit perfectly
remote bobcat
I don’t know why ppl think stix is hard man. Legit took me like 4 pulls to under...
ur above avg
echo rapids
If you are in a guild where everyone gets it then it’s not
tepid cedar
I’m just out farming r1s in normal and heroic pugging now that’s been fun
smoky vale
press button
tepid cedar
send wcl
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/67222958
I’ve done very well period but started yesterday doing some pushing missed some by not much and some by small amount little tune up here and there
Rik is the problem cause you need to ahve a team of pumpers to kill it before towers
remote bobcat
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/67222958
I’ve done very well period ...
crazy sprocket myth kill
smoky vale
whats your number of kills
tepid cedar
crazy sprocket myth kill
Dude I didn’t start mythic raiding in guild until like a week ago lol
I came out do reitirment, I had bought oab kill
And 98 parsed it in 1 pull 1 time in there 😂😂😂
echo rapids
you can check all of these guilds on raider.io i guess
The guilds killing stix right now have the exact same kill times as the first kills
remote bobcat
Dude I didn’t start mythic raiding in guild until like a week ago lol
any significant tricks or bits of information that u found helping u parse?
not the generic shit like kill times
like on rik
but more specific stuff
echo rapids
Three most recent first kills I can see are 6:16, 6:25 and 6:11
tepid cedar
Uptime and learn exactly when to pop ur shit. Legit stick to simc
If ur 10 sec from reck and bs is up and you see adds spawn
remote bobcat
bro i know about rotational shit
Im talking minor things like making sure to stay in melee range while looking at bloodbound horror when bladestorming its adds
fading sky
Then its killtimers
remote bobcat
in order to not waste unhinged
wanton mirage
tepid cedar
Im talking minor things like making sure to stay in melee range while looking at...
Legit uptime and squeeze every little you can
And pugs are kinda easier
Bc they don’t have the damage especially in add fights
remote bobcat
historically pugs were better for add fights, premade groups were better for ST fights like sprocket
thats not the type of information i care about
tepid cedar
Well even sprocket ain’t to bad
remote bobcat
tbh
tepid cedar
Rik is the only one that’s about impossible
remote bobcat
y'all, who here in chat has experience selling aotc
i boost, i dont participate in advertising tho
quiet breach
i boost, i dont participate in advertising tho
early in season can I do heroic with my guild then also boost on the same character
in the same week
remote bobcat
early in season can I do heroic with my guild then also boost on the same charac...
technically yes, but you wont get invited
Its a very closed off system
quiet breach
technically yes, but you wont get invited
I'm assuming cuz they want everyone to be loot eligible to sell the loot as well?
smoky vale
gleaming siren
Selling curve specifically (so like last 2 shifts) are very closed off, guilds at first then just the career boosters who can and will do it all day
Gio78
smoky vale
@gleaming siren
echo rapids
Does 1 person being loot locked auto take away a full drop or is it chance based?
tepid cedar
I wanna do it next season
Know what’s good gold
remote bobcat
there are runs with saved boosters that only exist for the achievement and there are runs with unsaved boosters that aim at giving loot too. You can only ever get into the "saved" runs when you are top10 of yoru spec or when you've been boosting for a long time
gleaming siren
Does 1 person being loot locked auto take away a full drop or is it chance based...
change per person
tepid cedar
The fkn 5 mask runs,
echo rapids
Ahh
tepid cedar
Easy 100k for 20 min tops past 2 weeks
bold osprey
Heya 🙂 as a mid arms player (around 80ish+ logs on first kills) I want to "try" fury for the rest of the season (Mug and Gally Mythic). I am playing Fury in PvP and think its "easier" with downtimes and on demand burst. Can you recommend me switching? Or is fury harder to master (95+ ilvl logs) than arms? I dont like the feel of "being" useless until the execute phase when we are progressing x:
remote bobcat
Heya 🙂 as a mid arms player (around 80ish+ logs on first kills) I want to "try"...
fury is easier to get into, equally hard to master.
also: 95 logs are far from mastering your spec
95 logs mean you're doing good.
slim coral
Heya 🙂 as a mid arms player (around 80ish+ logs on first kills) I want to "try"...
fury has a lot more variance due to having a lot of conditionals
so I would say fury is harder in that aspect
smoky vale
hi bazed
remote bobcat
fury: BT weakaura and SD conditions weakaura
arms: opportunist weakaura and SD conditions weakaura
I mean idk bazed its pretty equal
smoky vale
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where therpent
remote bobcat
https://tenor.com/view/schnappi-das-kleine-krokodil-jump-hungry-try-to-eat-fly-c...
Schnappi
slim coral
where therpent
quiet breach
I just learned that maghar orcs do more damage than regular orcs on fury warrior
I should switch cuz they are way cooler
I wouldve picked them if I had them when I made this char
quiet breach
how much it cost to switch race?
quiet breach
Its a very closed off system
so are u saying its not even worth it to try to get into boosting? when I first learned about it from this chat I was made to believe it was a very accessible option for making gold if you have orange parses
I was under the impression if you have orange = u can find a place to boost for gold
remote bobcat
so are u saying its not even worth it to try to get into boosting? when I first ...
getting into boosting is fine and good, you just wont be able to get into saved runs early season.
You simply won't.
Unsaved runs? you might get into them yea, but thats gonna rip ur ID
Another option is to make an alt warr
but thats a lot of work for some gold
radiant plank
but thats a lot of work for some gold
ehhh
remote bobcat
ehhh
It is for less serious players that also don't have a group of players backing them up
gearing an alt warrior in keys all alone is work.
radiant plank
colossus also lets you be 2nd in dps for overalls
winter shoal
colossus also lets you be 2nd in dps for overalls
I think playing with your monitor turned on gets you 2nd in overall at this point in the season tbh
remote bobcat
Prot it up
people like you and me go prot for keys np but some warr dps players arent comfortable tanking or they simply suck at it
radiant plank
people like you and me go prot for keys np but some warr dps players arent comfo...
if u arent good enough to tank keys you aint getting into any boosts
remote bobcat
if u arent good enough to tank keys you aint getting into any boosts
nah i disagree, i know of a lot of great dps boosters in raid boosts that are absolutely atrocious at pulling mobs, keeping threat, cycling def cds, etc
thats how i ended up having to tank all the time
cuz they couldnt
echo rapids
Warrior bloodlust when
radiant plank
Okay but you dont need half of that for keys u do for gear
Hold W and use spells is enough to tank gearing keys
radiant plank
headscratcher that one
earnest canyon
I just learned that maghar orcs do more damage than regular orcs on fury warrior
Maghar orc brown, warrior brown = more dps
remote bobcat
Its not a headscratcher by any means
its a confidence thing, innit?
they dont feel comfortable tanking
even if its relatively easy
but theres a lot of pressure
so they end up waiting in queue as a low geared dps warr alt
echo rapids
The right set of addon tools really makes tanking easier, I hope blizzards addon plans don’t ruin it
winter shoal
quiet breach
fellas, would m+ solo queue be a W or L change?
sullen dove
Prolly w in more ways than there are l’s but like there would have to be some like way to guarantee like a minimum amount of skill for ppl that sign up
Like u see the ppl that do lfr
imagine you get like 3-4 timmies who are just actually incapable of playing the game in an m+ like that’s just gonna feel ass
modest condor
imagine queueing for a +18 and you queue into a fury warrior
i'd take the deserter debuff
smoky vale
do your part by declining every warrior you see in lfg
dense sedge
Just came back to the game after a break, just a quick one im using the sample build on wowhead. Just ;lpplomg at tjhe opener I charge and pop reck and AV I'm finding I don't have enough rage to rampage from the get gp
Is there global we are meant to do before?
modest condor
you need to reck ava before you charge
dense sedge
I seety
modest condor
and make sure you're in combat before you do that otherwise you're stuck at 79
dense sedge
you need to reck ava before you charge
interestin I thought this was the case when looking at the visual opener it has ot after charge
winter shoal
Need to reck before you ava and before you charge
ava doesn't matter if it's before or after charge IIRC
smoky vale
ty banezi for heroic throw first blow tech
warm crag
ty banezi for heroic throw first blow tech
still not convinced this does anything unless you prepull every single pull
modest condor
it does in m+
warm crag
let your tank gather or are you doing 2 target pulls every time
modest condor
what?
you want me to run in so i get in combat and then run out again so i can reck charge when i could instead just heroic throw the prio target and then reck charge
modest condor
true
warm crag
you want me to run in so i get in combat and then run out again so i can reck ch...
more productive things to do than that but sure
iron portal
Taunt ER BS
modest condor
what does that even mean
warm crag
why are you cding instantly on pull
are you doing stationary 3 target pulls or is your tank gathering
whole yacht
just had a prot warrior in a 7
A SEVEN
pulling 1 mob at a time
scared of the key
clever belfry
it is very scary
granite crypt
tepid cedar
ty banezi for heroic throw first blow tech
I know what’s this sorcery you speak of
smoky vale
compact knot
opal monolith
do we know anything about the 11.1.7 belt as in howmuch of a gain it will be
whole yacht
do we know anything about the 11.1.7 belt as in howmuch of a gain it will be
at least 4%
inland flame
This is all I've seen about it:
https://www.wowhead.com/news/how-good-is-the-d-i-s-c-belt-in-patch-11-1-7-titanic-in-name-but-not-power-377175
whole yacht
then i believe you know about as much as everyone else
inland flame
Yee which is why I linked the thing when someone who probably didn't know anything asked if we knew anything
inland flame
np
karmic fiber
Can melee classes get the gallywix mythic lazer frontal on them?
opal monolith
This is all I've seen about it:
https://www.wowhead.com/news/how-good-is-the-d-...
thank you for an actual answer ❤️
tepid cedar
ahhhh basically is a saftey to hit 80.
wintry shuttle
Can melee classes get the gallywix mythic lazer frontal on them?
it tries to hit the most amount of ppl it can while ignoring people with red lines
buoyant latch
is the raging blow vs bloodthirst priority list for mountain thane aoe in keys actually correct? i tried both that and just using bloodthirst on CD to proc more thunder blasts and the second option came out ahead, and I also see most people on logs kinda prio unbuffed bloodthirst over raging blow
sand crest
I personally prio bt spam at 3+ targets for seismic reverb, and prio rb at 2 or less targets
but I dont think doing bt spam at 5+ targets compared to 3+ or whatever changes much
fair star
Heya 🙂 as a mid arms player (around 80ish+ logs on first kills) I want to "try"...
1st ur raiding mythic so ur not a mid player,2nd why are you playing fury in pvp arms is better rn
broken comet
Just scrolled back some to see what we're all up to today, and all I can say is I will never have to worry about this bs I parse blue at best ;_;
whole yacht
lol
broken comet
But hey, why I joined. I know I'm not doing well and it annoys me that I'm still reguarly hitting 8~ or so on meters for Heroic Lib when I know I'm bad.
bold osprey
1st ur raiding mythic so ur not a mid player,2nd why are you playing fury in pvp...
Because Im bad in pvp 😄 just doing my elite set
sour glacier
any tips for running an 8 mask vision of stormwind as fury
woven valley
Try and time your hogger spawns as best you can. You do not want him spawning and getting 10 stacks of damage suddenly from small adds
sullen dove
Just don’t get hit by mechanics and go slow in old town cuz those mobs can actually just kill you
even mage district is initially a little sus damage wise starting out with like 60 crawlers permanently keeping you in combat running into you and more shit spawning
And alleria while annoying as shit you should still basically never lose to sanity drain so just do all her mechs and don’t get hit by stuff may take like 2-3 min to kill her
can spell reflect polymorph without worrying about kicking it
But no where aside from mage district and old town did mobs feel even a little threatening at all for me
sudden tusk
old town is fucked