fury

[alpine haven]

Its pretty high

[sturdy crown]

I am no longer a warrior main.

Especially cause you pinged me in furry chat

[south kayak]

Understandable

[sturdy crown]

https://tenor.com/view/sheppy-shisha-shisha-sheppy-husky-maid-gif-21097707

[south kayak]

I stopped being a warrior main after 4 nerfs in S1

[smoky vale]

im 150 off of current title

making big progress

[flat river]

8 masks SW done

[chilly fractal]

Was easier than Orgrimmar imo

[flat river]

maybe

si:7 and mage tower sucked ass

as in annoying

[flat river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807809192537882647/1314343015258656829/togif-1.gif

[chilly fractal]

I never really felt in danger just killing shit like in the Rexxar area where I felt I had to skip everything possible

I did fail 1 time in Stormwind because I let my Hogger get bolstered too much lol

[orchid dagger]

It's called Power Word: N for a reason

[clever belfry]

?

[tardy lark]

https://tenor.com/view/edgy-brooklyn-99-nine-charles-gif-13236508

[smoky vale]

gm aagard

[slim coral]

Take away the pad

[tardy lark]

bro its half past 2 pm

[smoky vale]

its 8 am

[slim coral]

Sure is 8am

[tardy lark]

🦅

[slim coral]

EUs work day coming to an end ye?

[tardy lark]

work day maybe, im just trying to make it look like i work

[slim coral]

Real

[tardy lark]

meetings for the first 4 hours of the day so my brain is just fried from corpospeak

[slim coral]

Corporate slop as they call it

[tardy lark]

"the ball is in our court so we'll touch base internally, then follow up to get on the same page"

might as well have said nothing

[slim coral]

Sounds like an inefficient use of company time, dock them!

[tardy lark]

half the meetings in this world could've been an email or a teams messaage

[slim coral]

I remember how many people went straight st after that changed happened lmao

[plush zephyr]

It was my job for years to make presentations to share holders. Literally felt like I turned into a lizard person talking to those people.

They aren’t real people lol

[slim coral]

True

[clever belfry]

yes and all of them are dumbasses

playing no ww, OF, titanic rage

was the optimal way anyway.

[plush zephyr]

I’ve wanted to follow some people home, to see if they’re real people or actually NPCs and this shit is a simulation

I just day dream in my head I start following them and they disappear into the matrix or I get into a wreck cause the universe blocks me from seeing

I need to lay off the morning weed

[lapis slate]

No, keep going you're so close

Break free

[slim coral]

Just become the shareholder

Ez

Then change corpo speak

[storm pulsar]

Hi guys, can you give me a general gearing advise? I have myth pacemaker and myth set hands in vault. both would replace a champion piece. Ofc pacemaker sims higher but as I just started with the game I dont know much about general idea of gearing. How valuable is it eg to grab set-items in myth first and farm hero items like pacemaker? I only do m+ 10s and no myth raid. my other trinket is hero signet if that matters.

[white rampart]

Guys, what makes you want to unsub WoW? I'll start. Tanks that pull one mob at a time in M+.

[oblique trail]

The game itself

[dense elbow]

DPS who complain about me pulling 1 mob at a time, as they force shutdown my pulls, by starting to DPS too early so I cant gather more.

[smoky vale]

real

[clever belfry]

The game itself

[remote bobcat]

Not having people to play with. If you play with a tank that pulls one at a time, likely a pug, then thats one example of not having someone to play with.

anyway

whatsup lads

how we doin today

[remote veldt]

Hey, stupid question but i can wear 2 charged claymore if one is without embelish right ?

[oblique trail]

Yes

[remote bobcat]

ye

[remote veldt]

Thanks bro

[oblique trail]

You can wear as many crafted items as you want, as long as only 2 of them has an embellishment

[clever belfry]

this includes wearing 2x charged claymore

with embel

[remote veldt]

I got a nice chest and was having to theorycraft but was not confident

[remote bobcat]

raidbots.com does all the theorycrafting for you

Nod

[plush zephyr]

Just start tanking if it’s that big of an issue for you

OR find tank friends

[remote veldt]

Yeah but was having a doubt because was able to sim 2 sword but not 2 rings craft so i was like strange

[plush zephyr]

Best thing I did for myself as a m+ gamer was buddy up to a couple tanks

[smoky vale]

im in a lecutr

help

[dense elbow]

Fake news, raidbots would not tell you that WW and BT spam OPOP

[smoky vale]

do i read one piece while i wait for it to end

[remote bobcat]

you can do a custom apl 4head

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/witchcraft-hunchback-of-notre-dame-frollo-animated-gif-19403567

[plush zephyr]

I’m reading Fairytale

[smoky vale]

bro whats gajeels discord

[radiant plank]

[smoky vale]

@hallow sphinx

[remote bobcat]

SNIFFA

[flat river]

i dont understand

why its called

dastardly duos

but its in a group of 5

[slim coral]

either way

the event is terrible

there's no incentive to play it

[sly crane]

woo timegating

[slim coral]

I mean I get what they're trying to do with the timegating

but there's gotta be more substance to some of it

[plush zephyr]

I want a bigger pool of m+ dungeons for late in the season

[slim coral]

I'm sad that there isn't gonna be a megadungeon

those were my fav

[plush zephyr]

Doing the same kicks, same mobs, same pulls

[slim coral]

the only bad megadungeon was DOTI and that was only bad because once you hit 29s they scaled in a cringe way on the last bosses

[flat river]

atleast only 3 season xpac

[slim coral]

ye

[flat river]

btw the reason there is little content this xpac

[slim coral]

excited to see what the new dungoe will be

and what 3 dungeons they are gonna bring back

[flat river]

is because they were originally

[slim coral]

I imagine streets woudl fit the tier nicely

but who knows

[flat river]

going to make ther 3 expanions

1 expansion

so this xpac not much content

but the rest will have more i think

since more planning

[slim coral]

well there's tons of content

they just dont' give the right rewards imo

also they need to make crest acc wide at this point in the season

[plush zephyr]

I’ve used this TW/turbo boost to make two other warriors now I have three lvl 80 warrs. One for each spec? Idk yet. Three 3k warriors? Maybe.

[flat river]

do it

1 each spec

all 3k

no balls

[plush zephyr]

That’s what I’m thinking

[split dirge]

Is there an optimal way for me to use HoC in combination with Best in Slots? Right now I got the trinket+all cd´s in one macro. Do I just fire the weapon active 20sec later?

[woven valley]

Yeah you usually use hoc with avatar so it lines up

[pallid hull]

Isnt punisher better then bis

[modest condor]

no

also we can use both

[warm crag]

what abt pure st

noober

[chilly fractal]

I’m ready for our delve belt… I need to replace this Cauldron belt

[woven valley]

Wonder what belt abilities will be good I haven’t looked into it much

Guess it depends on balancing

[slim coral]

Probably the stat ones

[chilly fractal]

It’s gonna go like this

It starts shit

[slim coral]

There’s some good healing ones

[chilly fractal]

Gets giga buffed on patch day or the next day

[slim coral]

Yeah if it’s not good they’ll buff it

[chilly fractal]

But you can unlock all the powers in like tier 1 delves so at that point just swap based on whatever happens

[woven valley]

Yeah that’s usually the case sadly

[quiet breach]

is there any addon or weakaura that will show an encounter timer? like it'll say 0:00 on pull and like 6:00 or however long by the time you are about to kill it? Basically a stopwatch

[smoky vale]

details shows it

or can find wa's

[quiet breach]

can I see that and also see damage done?

[smoky vale]

it should be right above the damage done but maybe it only shows when you wipe or something

[tardy lark]

https://wago.io/search/imports/wow/tww-weakaura?q=combat%2Btimer

[tranquil jetty]

no

it was bad because of that dogshit room with all the sand and portals

[plush zephyr]

yayyy forced delving

[restive pine]

does anyone run eye of kazan trinket on fury in m+ ? is it worth or

[tardy lark]

in a pug i guarantee you there are better options

[tranquil jetty]

have the devs ever talked about the target cap

[smoky vale]

no

[quiet breach]

no it sucks

don't use it in m+

its a raid only trinket

[dense elbow]

Only worth it in a premade enviroment, where you can maintain high uptime. So if ya PuG, dont worry about it. If you are premade, you can have a talk about it with yer mates

[dry talon]

is viscera trinket mythic tier good for dublons?

[storm birch]

I run it quite a bit but in dungeons with rp or lower level keys where tanks can be a little slower and the pacing can fall off it loses a lot of its competitive edge

[dry talon]

for st

[storm birch]

It’s litty for boss dmg though that’s for sure

[winter shoal]

Not really, you can sim it though

[dry talon]

idk what to buy

[winter shoal]

Chances are that a myth pacemaker is a better passive trinket though

[dry talon]

i have pacemaker

[winter shoal]

Do you mythic raid?

[dry talon]

did only 2 bosses

i try to get 2 more

[winter shoal]

Idk probably a heroic jastor or house of cards angle, but again that's a sim question

[dry talon]

but wont get to lockenstock 100%

[winter shoal]

Or just hold onto your dinars for now

[dry talon]

ye got jastor and house of cards

[rigid stirrup]

Ig spend it on w/e then since you can't get the actual good stuff

[winter shoal]

Yeah just sim what's available to you

Could maybe even be like a myth priory angle

[rigid stirrup]

Nah fuck myth priory

2 min cd trinket will always be garbage for our class

[restive pine]

i will give eye of kazan a try, its like house of cards need chain pulls

[fickle cedar]

its not that bad tho, it syncs with first avatar then 3rd reck

[chilly fractal]

In the new duos event time to break back out Shadowmourn and Fyralath

[rigid stirrup]

Not that bad is still bad lol

[chilly fractal]

Gonna wear so many legendaries

[quiet breach]

on mythic mugzee do you use cooldowns on cooldown the entire fight?

[crude ridge]

Yes

[chrome plover]

yup

[quiet breach]

nice

my type of fight

I am terrible at knowing when to hold and when to not hold

so I usually just end up sending anyway

now that I will have a combat timer I should start to get better at it though

[crude ridge]

Don't even worry about trying to cleave either it's not worth. Just go full ST ham.

[quiet breach]

starting mugzee prog tommorow night

am excite

[chrome plover]

gl

[quiet breach]

its like sprocket but not cancer

[rigid stirrup]

Lmao wait till your first 50 pulls and come back to us with that same energy

[crude ridge]

I like sprocket better

Less RNG

[rigid stirrup]

Sprocket is great melee boss unless you gotta do a far soak

[chrome plover]

yeah sprocket is a great melee boss

[quiet breach]

I enjoyed OAB prog but I only progged it for 2.5 hours before killing

[chrome plover]

nothing to do just hit boss

[quiet breach]

the guild wiped on it the previous 2 raid nights they had

I wasn't there cuz I wasn't trialing yet

[crude ridge]

Mugzee only sucks cause you can get pulled off the boss.

[quiet breach]

maybe if I was there the whole time I would dislike it

I heard most ppl did not like OAB

[crude ridge]

I love OAB

[rigid stirrup]

Mug zee is literally the last 20% of the fight being the actual boss

Oab is good now but before turbo boost and nerfs it was painful

[chrome plover]

turbo boost + damage buff + nerfs the whole raid kinda feels weird

on reclear at least

[quiet breach]

do most of the top parses on mugzee use full ST talents?

[crude ridge]

They all use ST talents

[chrome plover]

yeah

[crude ridge]

It's a ST fight as going cleave is a DPS loss as the adds don't live long enough and only count for like less than 20% of the fight

[limber oar]

Most adds are also far as fuck and mostly for warlock pump

[crude ridge]

^

[quiet breach]

dude the warlock in my group last night ANNIHILATED the meter

[limber oar]

At best if youre going arms you can seeeping strikes some executes off the adds that come close

To stack jugg

[quiet breach]

I go fury

[limber oar]

But this is fury channel

Ya

I do fury too

Just saying

[earnest canyon]

Report him for cheating

[plush zephyr]

Uncapped is cheating

[fiery edge]

the tru war

[dense elbow]

[plush zephyr]

I feel like a dick. I just killed this tank in a tw dungeon. They were going slow, I started pulling everything, had threat, tank caught up, I melded, tank immediately dies 😂 I killed the packs but still

Oops

[crude ridge]

Lol

Everything was fine until you melded

[plush zephyr]

I shouldn’t have

It was extremely rude lol

[dense elbow]

We all get the 'urge' once in a while

just dont make it a habbit, and your karma points should survive

[plush zephyr]

Mad I wasn’t recording

[crude ridge]

But did the group wipe?

[plush zephyr]

Nah

I killed the packs

[crude ridge]

Then all is well

[plush zephyr]

He came back it was all g lol

[dense elbow]

It is more just how the tank feels, especially if it is a sprout tank

[plush zephyr]

But realized how much of a troll you could actually be with nelf never dawned on me till now

[dense elbow]

Be tank, meld, DIE DPS DIE

I do that when they get snotty

Put em in their place

[plush zephyr]

I really enjoy it most in lower m+ keys

Getting my second warrior to 2k today cause… other classes be boring

This is all your fault funky

[winter shoal]

Yeah it's not great but could still be better than hero trinkets, ultimately a sim question

[whole yacht]

I would live.

I would also meld.

[dense elbow]

You live... this time.

[dense fulcrum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ4gVn2W8v8&ab_channel=QuaziiWoW u guys changed it or using default with fury?

[smoky vale]

i use default

[dense elbow]

The secret rotation fix: Elf Lady knight
Aight

[dense fulcrum]

[tepid cedar]

fuck uu pinky and greeny

[coarse nest]

5m!?

That’s a fury icon

[oblique trail]

paid actors

[dense elbow]

5m, active

[plush zephyr]

“Not a Hunter” loool

[tepid cedar]

it was a prioiry though, but on thane fk that lobox no st damage build

[olive wraith]

With of still I assume

[dense elbow]

🙏

[earnest canyon]

People put way too much stock into that thing. Only person I know that benefits is a guy from my guild that works on diesel engines at sea and has like decent speeds but 2000ms latency.

[plush zephyr]

[modest condor]

17 minute video about something you're better off leaving along hmmge

[dense elbow]

Oh, I just presumed it was another "set your spellque" vid, with the same information as all of them since... ever

[modest condor]

idk i saw that it's 17 minutes and didnt watch

[dense elbow]

Wasnt night elf, so I didnt click

[reef finch]

+1

[dapper goblet]

set your spellqueuewindow and gain 25% more dps

clugie

[frank dawn]

I once queued my spellwindow so hard my rank on the server increased from 3, to 1.

[modest condor]

bwoah

[dense elbow]

Set spellque to 0, that way you get 0 DPS loss, trust

[clever belfry]

i play on spellqueue 69

anything else is bad

[dapper goblet]

7

[modest condor]

haha funny number

[clever belfry]

7

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/elgatitolover-cat-kitty-elgatito-explosion-gif-8874415577877859154

[oblique trail]

report

[clever belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

[graceful dock]

what does the post-gallywix bis thing mean?

shouldnt it be pre-gallywix?

[crude ridge]

It means using a crafted weapon before you get BIS and the wep off gally

[eternal sundial]

It's supposed to be pre ye

[graceful dock]

gotcha okay ,was confused

so left list is actual bis list while post-gally is pre-gally

[dull sierra]

@edgy widget typo alert weewoo

[warm crag]

carlo is archi theory

[edgy widget]

You can't get Capital Punisher until after you've killed Gallywix, at which point the tier is objectively over

[earnest canyon]

🤣

[quiet breach]

is there a way you can sim exact same gear, but 2 slightly different talent builds? I want to sim frenzied enrage vs powerful

like in a way that shows the differences in DPS in the same way the top gear does

[graceful dock]

I figured that was the case ye, ig the order is just wrong there

[quiet breach]

or do you just have to do 2 separate sims one with each talent build?

[charred path]

Does anyone have any tips for mythic mugzee? Guild is starting prog.

[warm crag]

scroll down on top gear

[sinful spoke]

didnt dps on purpose to make u look good so we get nerfed

gj apoc yu fucked us

[quaint forge]

Don't run into bombs.

[mossy pelican]

Seriously, get the WA that puts stop signs over them. If Liquid WA already has one I couldn’t find it. Having quadrants to assign soakers is helping us a lot too.

[quaint forge]

https://wago.io/inHyi5qvz/

[charred path]

Okay I saw videos with the stop signs and I thought that was part of liquids but that is a huge help.

[quaint forge]

It only shows up when the mines spawn, so you need to be careful not to stand in the brownish gold circle where they are spawning.

[mossy pelican]

I personally fucking hate the new swirls in brown, they’re far harder for me to see. Blue and red swirls are good though

[quaint forge]

Which is very difficult to see.

[mossy pelican]

Yep

[quaint forge]

I honestly can't believe they haven't fixed this.

If a consecrate is on the ground you're just praying you don't miss it. Eye beam overlaps it as well.

Brutal

[mossy pelican]

Also Liquid WA for ice spears are from the wall looking to the middle of the room, so Right probably means left and Left probably means right. Melee get priority for the side that the boss is supposed to go to on metal. My guild didn’t realize that and doesn’t care to fix it so I often have to leave the boss which is warrior sacrilege

[quaint forge]

This should have always said metal & dirt as opposed to left & right.

[whole yacht]

Being forced to walk away because your guild is too stubborn to fix it. Is aids.

[tepid cedar]

lol, it’s all jokes. We just get shit on so much we take wins now and the. 😂😂

[rotund ginkgo]

workshop 16

tank trolled a bit at end

eta

semi weird route but i mean, not MUCH variance in the key

eta boost run for warlock

[dense elbow]

Boost run for 'warlock', says the boostie

[remote bobcat]

hi funky

Wave

wave~3

[dense elbow]

[remote bobcat]

PeepoWave

[rotund ginkgo]

excuse me

my log was a nice 80

his was a nice 17

i did my job

no damage outside of boss fights

[dense elbow]

You sure did great, champ! Yes you did!

[dapper goblet]

Warriors abusing thunderclap bug and still complaining...

[dense elbow]

Chad warriors abuse

it goes swoosh swoosh-woosh-oosh

[modest condor]

abusing thunderclap bug still doing 0 dps on aoe imagine playing fury

[rotund ginkgo]

funkykitty when hes angrykitty

[dapper goblet]

aoe caps are good for the game 🤓

[trail tendon]

is the aoe buffs good? are we zugging again?

[fading sky]

No

[trail tendon]

:(

[fading sky]

We are zuggin 5% more

[trail tendon]

thats 5% more zugging than we did before i guess its better than nothing

i briefly read aoe buffs and was praying they uncapped some stuff feelsbadman

[fading sky]

Its fine

[rotund ginkgo]

which other spec is FULL CAPPED at 5?

ww?

[trail tendon]

im pretty sure fury might be the only spec with a 5 target hard cap

[flat river]

hunter ig

but hunter has other uncapped abilities

MM hunter

[lunar steeple]

achtually bladestorm is 8 targets

[trail tendon]

whirlwind and its cleave effect is 5 target hard cap

[rotund ginkgo]

having one aoe ability and its not even ur main damaging spell be soft capped at 8

[rotund ginkgo]

i think ww as well no?

if mm hunter is 5 target capped clearly they dont gaf since their damage breakdown shows they are not hard capped

[trail tendon]

im honestly not too sure

if they are then yeah i guess fury isnt the only hard-capped spec

[whole yacht]

mm is 6 target capped with 2 exceptions that are uncapped aoe.

those uncapped aoe abilities also happen to hit hard af, and do most of their dmg

[fading sky]

So buff roar and buff + uncap of

And we are basicly mm🤣

[sour frigate]

ww has some buttons hard and some 5+

[rotund ginkgo]

no?

[rotund ginkgo]

thats what i mean yeah

[fading sky]

No?

[rotund ginkgo]

thats not healthy though because if any of these abilities get nerfed/roar is on cd you'll just do dogshit dam again?

[fading sky]

Plz dont be a flatliner

[rotund ginkgo]

+youd have to buff the shit out of them

[fading sky]

The thing about burst

Is outside u do less dmg

And not rly a shit ton

Uncappin of would help it a lot

Vs where we at now

[queen panther]

Give us DF roar back

When it was all our damage in big pulls 😂😂

Fuck that we’d get hit with the nerf hammer so hard

[steel wagon]

wait is there more buffs 😮

[heavy galleon]

big up next week

source trust me

[remote bobcat]

lets collectively gaslight people who barely visit skyhold into thinking we have new buffs

[dire vigil]

Wait what? We have new buffs??

As of when?!

[frank dawn]

only buffs to the amount of copium being inhaled

[flat river]

I GOT IT GUYS

LETS GOO

[verbal garden]

Does anyone know of a good general WA pack that scales well and easy to read?

[remote bobcat]

publiks is good - dont use luxthos

but its best to make ur own

Nod

[frank dawn]

gotta wait for end of expansion for the scaling tho

[chilly fractal]

At least it reminds us Battle Cry exists

[olive wraith]

What’s wrong with luxthos

[remote bobcat]

he includes stuff that dont affect gameplay causing information overload or confusion especially for fury beginners

[south kayak]

MoP fury PoV

[whole yacht]

was fury any good in mop? i didnt play it

[south kayak]

It was good in siege

[toxic jewel]

it got good in siege, arms is really fun tho

[south kayak]

Maybe even with good tot gear

[south kayak]

So is fury

More fun I’d say

[toxic jewel]

oh ofc, i'm just saying i'd play arms until ya got siege gear

[south kayak]

Right

[toxic jewel]

and that arms is fun, so you wont be bored on warrior

[south kayak]

40%+ crit chance is poggers

[toxic jewel]

them big storm bolt crits were super fun on fury lol

[south kayak]

For fury

You can enrage every BT

Which means you always get raging blow

[chilly fractal]

MoP was the xpack where if you really wanted to do damage you played tank… or warlock

[south kayak]

Not the case until siege for warlocks

Tot actually

[toxic jewel]

fury was just below warlock in siege, but yeah, i solo tanked m garrosh as blood dk lol, top dps by a lot

[south kayak]

But tanks doing damage doesn’t mean dps don’t

Vengeance is crazy and my opinion is that I hate tanks doing dps damage

Fuck vengeance

[toxic jewel]

i think the only bad dps in mop was unh dk and ret pally lol

[south kayak]

I don’t think so

Those were good

[toxic jewel]

when i say bad i mean they're towards the bottom compared to everyone else

they'll do good dam but most other specs were better

[chilly fractal]

I had a very horrible work schedule at the job I had during MoP so I just did LFR most of the xpack for the legendary quest line

[south kayak]

I wonder if there’s too many tanks in mop because everybody wants to top dps lol

[frank dawn]

Vengeance took things too far for sure, but the current balance this season I think is too low

And all the trinket/enchant nerfs for tanks/heals was dumb

[tired root]

anyone have a clue how to not die charging on mugzee p2 when he spin? seems like 1st charge is ok, 2nd always put me inside of him and i die in spining

[junior gale]

wait for him to finish moving

then charge

[undone flower]

@coarse nest

[coarse nest]

Let’s gooo!!! Grats king

[whole yacht]

Grats

[undone flower]

is it good ?

[whole yacht]

No

Trash

[undone flower]

[whole yacht]

(Gotta keep em humble)

[coarse nest]

Do I fix arms log since I ree leaped into rockets early or do I get fury logs going on reclear

I got a capital punisher for the off hand on first kill

[tired root]

i did and got cought in his beam

[junior gale]

then dont charge into his beam

[chilly fractal]

This week or next week

[tired root]

but i didnt i waited him to stop then charged but travel time right when i reach him into beam

[coarse nest]

Next

Kill was last night

[junior gale]

you know what angle hes gonna beam just move and charge at a different angle. if for whatever reason you cant charge just use leap or just walk man

[tired root]

gonna try, ty !

[light shadow]

Question regarding the upcoming belt, will we need to safe a S.A.D. for it?

[coarse nest]

No it comes with a socket now they changed it

[chilly fractal]

well go into a new week with another 3% buff... so Arms parses should have a good nudge

your best week for it is either next week or the week we get 18%

if you just want to fix your best parses for arms that is

[coarse nest]

Probably just play arms haha

[chilly fractal]

there you go

[whole yacht]

fury all the way.

[frank dawn]

Fury is more fun for sure

[indigo quarry]

parse logging

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-robin-wtf-face-gif-25677645

[edgy widget]

delete the log and pretend it never happened

[coarse nest]

This is the way

[mossy pelican]

zomg the moment we've been all waiting for fury article is up

[proud leaf]

link

[slim coral]

@edgy widget based thank you king

[feral ivy]

reading that paragraph made think why does druids and DK do not have a target cap? they are so much burst dmg

[tepid cedar]

HOLY FURY BALLLSACCCC

[plush zephyr]

Archi

[tepid cedar]

we got a article

lolololo

[feral ivy]

made me laugh

[edgy widget]

There's a lot I could say on the subject, but tried to keep it relatively short - already quite a lengthy article as is

[plush zephyr]

Thank you very much.

[feral ivy]

it was a great article to read

[slim coral]

I look forward to hearing your thoughts on spiteful serenity for Arms

Whenever that one gets posted

[edgy widget]

tbf I don't say much about it specifically, but it is listed as one of the undesired talents to iterate on

[frank dawn]

Good write up on Fury. Hopefully some decent changes next season

[edgy widget]

there's not much to say about it, really

[junior gale]

Arms retrospective will only be 2 words

delete jugg

[slim coral]

I just don’t know where they expect arms to ever take it at its current iteration

If the damage reduction wasn’t there it’d be sick

[real thistle]

Great write, I'm curious about why nothing was mentioned about Improved Whirlwind + Meat Cleaver, isn't that something they can completely wipe and re design for multi target fights?

[celest sierra]

Just finished reading it . Do blizzard devs actually read these tho for feedback and try to do things surrounding these “officiall” articles or is that a pipe dream

Also Archi I love that you mentioned CONDEMN lmao I tried to make Venthry Fury work so badly in Shadowlands before finally swapping to Bastion

[slim coral]

I miss the nightfae ability too

[junior gale]

Blood of the enemy

[fickle cedar]

wasnt venthyr bis until night fae took over ?

[celest sierra]

I don’t actually remember the nightfae one for fury . I know maldraxes was the banner right ?

[celest sierra]

Believe it was BiS early on but for M+ spear of bastion was too good at the time . Which honestly is kind of sad to see the state spear is in now compared to when it was introduced

Spear + bladestorm at the time 😍

[oblique thistle]

Fantastic article Archi, thank you

[flat river]

ah yes play fair

my item lvl is 1

[junior gale]

shoulda played nice

[flat river]

truly a fair match

[celest sierra]

The idea of combining Wrath and Fury with Crualty also very well received Archi loved that

[edgy widget]

I'm not sure why it needs to be completely wiped and redesigned - there's already a point about target caps (mainly how mismatched target caps create balancing issues within the game), but that doesn't mean there's necessarily a problem with Fury's cleaving mechanics

[edgy widget]

technically went Venthyr -> Kyrian -> Night Fae, but there was a lot of tuning in between

[edgy widget]

Ancient Aftershock

[mossy pelican]

aftershock was goated

[edgy widget]

That was actually @young swan's idea, but I too am a big fan (assuming it can be done right)

[mossy pelican]

i only played arms, don't know if anyone took it for fury

[sour tundra]

back when fury actually did damage

[mossy pelican]

bring back soulshape

[flat river]

BRO IM WITH MY HUNTER FRIEND AND HIS MAX ILVL IS 619

THIS GAME IS RACIST VS WARRIORS

[calm swallow]

This 100%

[calm swallow]

Bro I miss Soulshape lol

[mossy pelican]

blink blink leap charge pull aggro die

[calm swallow]

Charge->Whirlwind->Release Spirit

[mossy pelican]

speaking of warrior utility i did a few keys as h pala with blinding light and i can't look at shockwave the same anymore

[undone flower]

being able to aoe costing 2 points gives balance imo

[chilly fractal]

They’ll do this then make a final boss we only take down to 45% again

[woven valley]

I love that the second comment on Archis post is “um akshually, warriors were good in season one ☝️” like yeah? It was talked about in the post?

Doesn’t change we are hurting lol 😂

[little saffron]

Honestly it's well put in the article I'm not a fan of how we are this season but we could be in a much worse state the fact you brought up , another rng proc being thunderblast. I feel this season with the alchemical chaos pots, thunderblasts etc were way too rng based atleast more then I would want. That's my opinion but I enjoyed your wishlist not hoping for a drastic change just for some quality improvements next season tbh

[winter shoal]

You think people read the article before commenting?

[woven valley]

I mean I’m a warrior, I can’t read and I still read the article

https://tenor.com/view/winnie-the-pooh-i-cannot-read-gif-10549564367608169258

[edgy widget]

I think calling for dramatic sweeping change is kind of setting yourself up for failure

For one, Blizzard is almost never going to take community suggestions en masse; even if any kind of majority of players were all on the same page, they simply don't have the same metrics, goals, or expectations that the developers do

so you're basically just saying "change everything" which is... really broad and open-ended, not to mention there's no guarantee that even if they were to change everything, it would necessarily turn out better

[winter shoal]

"For one, Blizzard is almost never going to take community suggestions en masse" @dapper goblet say the line

[edgy widget]

So instead, I like to color between the lines, which is especially true when it's something I genuinely enjoy, and Fury is enjoyable; a few targeted adjustments can go a long way

[little saffron]

You misread haha I said "not hoping for a drastic change just for some quality improvements next season" lol maybe I should start using commas 😂

Like the ones listed on ur wishlist

[edgy widget]

TBF that's completely fine when you have choices; Arms could go Colossus, Fury can go Thane, you could spec into TRoar instead of Condemn, etc

it's only a problem when your entire kit revolves around a single niche or gimmick, with no other alternatives

[edgy widget]

no I was agreeing with you, just expanding on why I don't join the bandwagon of all the other people saying "overhaul everything" with no clear objective in mind

[proven hornet]

Rework odyns fury and add df s3 set as capstone 🙏🏿

[little saffron]

Ahhhhh 100% I just hate rng based stuff. Like if I wanna do that I'll play enhance shaman. I'm really hoping they give odyns fury a little love I really think they did it wrong this season

[little saffron]

Exactly

[celest sierra]

Personally I don’t think Fury needs a complete rework. I think it just needs some “tweaking” . Like you suggested in your article Archi, combine some of the talents that don’t need to be seperate talents . Remove SMF already, it’s not good and I wanna say wait sub 1% even ever use it for anything .

2nd: just better tune us . Don’t wanna uncap us ? That’s fine increase our cap to 8. Don’t wanna do that either , then better tune us around 5 target blast . And as mentioned above combine talents that don’t need to be seperate and change some to give us variety instead of every talent being based around RB and BT

[edgy widget]

some amount of RNG is fine and even welcome, but there's definitely positive RNG (when something exciting happens) and negative RNG (when something not happening keeps you from doing something exciting); it's kind of a fine line tbf

[feral ivy]

make ralley lust in m+ and health for raid

[woven valley]

I do feel like thane is currently the latter with thunder blast procs. But that’s me. Not getting procs consistently feels horrible and makes you do pool noodle damage

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-gif-24395495

[olive wraith]

I’d be more down if rally had damage reduction

[little saffron]

Yeah some is ok but the pots this season I can't stand man. I wish we had just more options that weren't so negative for us if we used them. And I honestly don't mind mountain thane I really don't but as you said give us some more wiggle room for different builds and personalization instead of you have to use this build with these talents or enjoy the -3% damage

[sand crest]

archi cooked except the "reintroduce condemn" part where it shouldve been "reintroduce "

[plush ravine]

Do classes have individual developers or teams? Is there a Warrior dev, and do we know who it is?

[woven valley]

Begone useless banner

[sand crest]

>>>>

[spare oriole]

I think the article is well written and trying hard not to perma-doom, which would be unfair. I'm not sure I agree about some of the things, like Spear tether; I just can't see it being that useful (a budget Ursol's Vortex) this needs someone else to knock the mobs for it to be useful, though maybe this could work with adjustments once making it a full utility ability.

I personally would like to just see some talents go to allow space for new abilities and ideas. That's probably the kind of thing that would only happen between expansions. So in the interim, some of the suggestions are really good. I was disappointed that having to take Thunder Clap as a talent was not mentioned. TC really feels like it should be a baseline warrior ability as it's a core ability for Prot and obviously mandatory for Thane.

[winter shoal]

I know at one point there was a dedicated rogue dev (Realz) who was pretty engaged with the community, but has since either stepped back from rogue class dev or from community engagement or both. No clue for warrior

So maybe?

Realz was a pretty cool guy though, I chatted with him a couple times

[dapper goblet]

5 bucks i'll tell you who

[plush ravine]

Our developer might be an intern or something.

[celest sierra]

To be honest I think Blizzard gave them selves a good foundation with the Hero talents trees.

Design prot around Thane (let Thane be prots esthetic permanently)

Let colossus be Arms estectic. Design arms around thst

And Slayer for fury . Design fury around Slayers estectic

[woven valley]

I’d rather have ancient aftershock, I miss enemies falling over

[winter shoal]

Going out of your way to identify a single person just so you can insult them is certainly a choice

[sand crest]

you rly miss pressing one button and seeing every nameplate turn red?

[fathom wolf]

Just being better in m+ somehow and having an execute phase where I use execute would be nice. Gameplay now is pretty good.

[sand crest]

tbf that also happened with bladestorm back then

[olive wraith]

This current season has a lot of scenarios where the mobs are knocked back or jump

[plush ravine]

It’s not an insult. Just doesn’t seem that our developer is doing a good job.

[woven valley]

I miss it stopping casters in their tracks more than anything else

Plus was funny to see enemies banana peel onto their face over and over

[celest sierra]

H leap should knockdown targets when we land

[sand crest]

ye my main issue with aftershock is it always feels terrible when tanks have to drag the pack out of it

but it was pretty cool

I just prefered banner

[winter shoal]

For a brief period of time in DF alpha/beta there was a talent that made leap act like gorefiends grasp but it was removed because that would be very degenerate

Imagine not being able to use your mobility because you needed it for utility later

[spare oriole]

Yeah that's fair, I was being a bit narrow for interrupts etc. There are some scenarios that it would be nice for.

[edgy widget]

I have strong feelings regarding banner

[celest sierra]

Lmao how does that even make sense ? Do I grab the mobs and leap with them or do they get knocked towards me when I land

[celest sierra]

Was never a fan of banner

[woven valley]

Easy fix is just make it an aoe around the warrior and follow you, but yeah I agree putting something on the ground can suck when tanks do whatever

[sand crest]

I know, I remember we talked briefly about it back when the ravager follow on node did essentially the same thing as banner in DF

[winter shoal]

The latter I believe, I didn't have beta access so I never tested it myself

[edgy widget]

on the one hand, banners are visually cool and thematically I love the idea of dropping banners and buffing everyone up

on the other hand, I lived through MoP Skull Banner and Shattering Throw rotations, and I know exactly how shit it feels to use your major CD for someone else's benefit

Blizz actually tried to add Skull Banner back during DF development and got a big hell no in response, so they scrapped it

[plush ravine]

@edgy widget Is there any interaction between the class development team and this Discord? Do they ever solicit feedback?

[celest sierra]

If they do give us a banner I prepare they give us just one and not flood us with different types

Prefer **

[sand crest]

well, banner doesnt have to be a cd for the sake of others right, they could just keep the group slow prevention it had in SL for example, and then anything dmg related is only for fury

[edgy widget]

but also this, in terms of a personal Skull Banner, Ravager.... kinda already does that

• Skull Banner generated X rage per second and increased your primary stat
• Ravager generates X rage per second and (previously) increased primary stat (now replaced with Unhinged, which is ulimately still "more dam")

[sand crest]

but then I guess the theme of the banner makes less sense?

[celest sierra]

I mean make a banner a passive ? Periodically we spawn a banner at our location that increases or damage or something ?

[edgy widget]

there are devs in this discord, and no I won't tell you who they are

[celest sierra]

And not make it some gcd ability

[edgy widget]

So I'm hearing you want more RNG?

[sand crest]

agreed, for me the main diff is that banner could be extended, rather than have its cd reduced, which I know is functionally the same thing, but it doesnt feel as fun to me personally

[winter shoal]

I mean tbf 99.9% of the yappage in this discord would be actively detrimental for the devs to listen to/engage with anyways

[edgy widget]

I mean if you wanna cosmetically tie a banner to Recklessness or something, that could be a cool glyph option

[celest sierra]

Doesn’t have to be RNG base it around our enrage or something maybe or X amount of rampages used drop the banner

[winter shoal]

More cosmetic glyphs (not just for warrior but all classes) would go brazy

[edgy widget]

Devs read a lot more community feedback than you'd think, most of them are also players so they also engage in these discords just to talk about the same stuff we do

[celest sierra]

One of the biggest things I think they should do is combine Recklessness with RA make it one talent

[edgy widget]

I know devs who are active in class discords not as actual developers, but just to talk about the current season, theorycraft builds or routes, ask questions, etc... just like everyone else

[woven valley]

i mean i still say that during ravager or bladestorm random lightning strikes should happen constantly hitting things around said aoe. would be super thematic and more damage in single target and aoe. (by random i mean what it hits not when it happens)

[celest sierra]

So then RA+ Reck will feel like we popping a CD

[cerulean badger]

Hello guys! Is there any situation in m+ (thane) where we prio RB over BT?

[celest sierra]

Less then 5 targets RB

[edgy widget]

I don't know that I agree with this, I think RA being a separate choice from AM feels good, or would if we ever actually wanted to use both - the real failure is that one usually wins everywhere, whereas if AM were best in MT and RA were best in ST, I think it'd be a lot more interesting

[winter shoal]

Yeah single target and technically low-target aoe (I believe 4 or fewer) but tbh I just BT > RB in any aoe

[plush ravine]

I just wonder what the devs are thinking about how Fury has been implemented. Seems a big disconnect.

[cerulean badger]

Ty guys!

[winter shoal]

idk I think most people are pretty happy with fury gameplay, just some missed opportunities for design and meta viability

[edgy widget]

I don't think so - Fury is still really popular, generally enjoyable, and plays pretty much as designed

there are a few issues and areas of improvement, just like there are and always will be for every spec, but that's to be expected

the main complaint currently is just being unhappy with the state of tuning (mainly in M+), but Fury is also doing quite well in raid, so it's not all bad

[plush ravine]

Yes

[winter shoal]

Also rally is beans

@ any devs reading this

[sand crest]

would be cool if we had something like condemn back, and the follow on nodes could be avatar getting extended along with reck, and sudden death chance to trigger massively increased

to have potential for actual exec builds

not thinking about balance here just the fun aspect

[edgy widget]

I think Condemn, with a pair of interesting follow-on nodes, could lead to some really interesting competition with Thunderous Roar for all three specs

[winter shoal]

Does SD triggering more really solve anything?

[woven valley]

yeah m plus is the big pain point atm like yeah overall might show us close but our highs arent half as high as most other classes atm can leave ya feeling wimpy af

[upbeat plume]

it would be nice to have a truly ST option in the class tree

[edgy widget]

I think Slayer already handles that

and Condemn, by its nature, already leads to using "execute" more, so adding more SD on top is rather redundant

but there are plenty of other things that follow-on talents could do

[sand crest]

I think so yeah, I remember in sl sometimes getting only 1 or even 0 SD procs outside of exec windown, and in those cases you feel like you got cucked by rng, but at the same time it is redundant to have sd proc more inside exec phase

so idk

[edgy widget]

That's true, but SL was also two expansions ago, and a lot has changed since then

I wouldn't necessarily look at it through the same lens, is all I'm saying

[sand crest]

yeah thats definitely true, I guess for me since SL was my first expac I remember those times pretty fondly

nostalgia lens

[mossy pelican]

yo i miss in SL when no upgrade tracks

[sand crest]

I miss SL when no covenant change so venthyr m+

[winter shoal]

I will admit I'm pretty cooked in terms of class design, but what I see as the problem with SD/exe is that you don't actually want to press exe when SD procs. As long as you don't waste SD procs, it's correct to delay exe as long as possible (MFE notwithstanding)

Now the reason for that is largely because jugg exists, and also because other buttons have so much power tied into them (bloodcraze, SS, etc.). Even if exe did 10x the damage of RB, you still would optimally delay using your SD proc as long as you didn't end up wasting it

You could argue that that's just healthy skill expression, but I'd argue that one of the primary synergies your hero tree is built around should be relatively intuitive, and getting a proc and your exe button glowing but explicitly NOT wanting to press exe is far from intuitive

[modest condor]

still better than we are now

[winter shoal]

Now maybe there's some stuff they could change with MFE to work around that, like SD procs give you instant 3xMFE or something so that you DO want to press it asap, but idk

Delete jugg

[upbeat plume]

the pre nathria arms/fury condemn dungeons were stupid fun lol

[fathom wolf]

Condemn add on node with legion jugg?

[upbeat plume]

and theres the legion jugg mention lol

I got bingo

XD

[modest condor]

show the card

[upbeat plume]

eats instead

[modest condor]

understandable

[spare steppe]

i just wanted to share that I enjoy playing fury

[upbeat plume]

XD

[sand crest]

yeah I mean I defo agree, but in a world where it's condemn and not exe, you might want to press it insta to make sure you dont waste a proc, since the procs cant stack, and condemn has value not just for dmg but for extending cds, making it closer to what rb is currently

[fathom wolf]

Better times will always be reminisced upon during hard times.

[spare steppe]

its just fun

[sand crest]

venthyr m+ was the real fury prio dmg

[upbeat plume]

I mean raid wise fury is more or less fine, m+ is the true pain point atm

[sand crest]

x)

[modest condor]

im pretty sure the strongest prio we've had was df s3

[edgy widget]

tbf this is more for Arms than Fury, but I agree with the concern in general

[spare steppe]

I just want MT to want to push execute and not just by accident

[edgy widget]

I think that's something that needs to be addressed anyway, with their impending addon/WA changes

[random raptor]

Fury in m+ has been great this week for me, disabling details and pretending I'm doing damage has been awesome

[flat river]

they need to make execute actually deal damage for fury

[edgy widget]

they need to nerf RB then

[spare steppe]

is that a bad thing though?

[modest condor]

joining +12s so i can top the meters and pretend my spec is good in m+

[flat river]

i dont care how they do it i just want our execute to do something

[edgy widget]

See, I don't - I think Slayer focusing on Execute and Thane not creates good contrast and more diverse strengths/weaknesses

and it isn't like Thane doesn't ever want to use Execute, it's still a good filler that generates more rage than RB, but it definitely shouldn't override other buttons the same way

[winter shoal]

tbf I didn't play SL so I don't really know how condemn works - I think it's just exe is default usable 100-80 just like it normally is 20-0? But I think part of Archi's article is also that you don't really press exe from 20-0 currently anyways

[random raptor]

What are the chances we get another class tuning patch before season end?

[edgy widget]

Basically yes - it also dealt Shadow damage instead of Physical (though that part was mostly tuned out) and a few other supplementary effects

[modest condor]

it's magic damage usable above 80% and makes you absorb damage from the target you used it on

[edgy widget]

unlikely at this point, think they're putting all in on 11.2 development

[spare steppe]

i can agree with that. in the end, yall know the ins and outs of the class so much moreso than me so i trust the judgement

[modest condor]

the absorb effect was huge on sire denathrius

[sand crest]

yes but when I think condemn I think legendary power that came with it, which is condemn extends your active recklessness by X seconds

think it was 2?

[random raptor]

Oh well, I'll just do the best I can with the current state of fury and hope it's enough for title range

[edgy widget]

FWIW, if Condemn were to come back as a capstone, I don't think it would include the absorption

That said I do like the effect, and I actually argued that it should be Slayer's defensive talent in place of Death Drive

[toxic jewel]

i know we'll never see fury get uncapped, i just want it to be capped at 8 or turn that improved whirlwind from 55% to idk... anything higher than that.

but the only thing fury is good at is boss damage, which is really the only reason to bring a fury warrior in any high key

[winter shoal]

Make rally a shield instead of temp hp amen

[dense fulcrum]

guys is there any log nerd that can help me out understanding what im doing wrong if i link the log of my raid tonight? (OAB Mythic) because i feel i start decent but then i fall off in term of dmg pretty soon. We doing the fire first, if i post in #449510248579858432 can someone reach me out ? 🙂

[silk wharf]

Honestly an under the hood change where the target cap stayed but it hit the highest hp targets would be huge.

[winter shoal]

I feel like this as a capstone would maybe encroach on UF design space but if it's in class tree as opposed to spec tree idk

[celest sierra]

Honestly , overall I think duty plays well just tuned down right bad

Fury *

[spare steppe]

I want them to fix onslaught

[upbeat plume]

unbridled fury is kind of shit atm

[sinful spoke]

taeshalach or fyralath

[modest condor]

jaithys

[toxic jewel]

Fury feels so good to play, i really enjoy Slayer, Thane is kinda meh but yeah

[random raptor]

Taeshalach

[sinful spoke]

i dont have m jaithys

[winter shoal]

I have not pressed 2 all expansion 🙂

[sand crest]

if UF stays at 6% proc chance, I dont feel like it encroaches on anything xD but I get ur point, it is slightly redundant

[flat river]

cause u dont play pvp

[winter shoal]

mickey mouse ahh game mode

[sand crest]

THE PRISON BLADE

[winter shoal]

(I'm bad and pvp stresses me out)

[sand crest]

double jaithys was goated

[flat river]

makes sense

[celest sierra]

See how come blizzard doesn’t make weapon procs into talents lmao . Make the jailor wep proc a talent

I want ma souls

[sand crest]

just go buy Varruth's guillotine on AH

great tmog

I actually farmed it

was hell

[sinful spoke]

that things like

500k gold

[winter shoal]

Nahhhhhhhh

I'm good

[sand crest]

yeah

thats a lot cheaper than it was back then x)

[winter shoal]

Does look kinda sicko mode tho

[modest condor]

just use one of the recolors you got from torghast

[sand crest]

couldve sold it for 900k ish but kept it

[sinful spoke]

i played sl in eu

until s4

[silk wharf]

The key is really quick to farm in zerith mortis.

[sinful spoke]

so i dont have all that

in na

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-smacking-credit-card-on-table-gif-21340324

[sinful spoke]

[winter shoal]

That's also where the lightsaber 1h are right

[silk wharf]

The desert key? I forget what its called.

[winter shoal]

Some crazy weapon mogs in SL man

Shame the expac was doodoo

[silk wharf]

lol

[flat river]

it had so much potention

[modest condor]

there's a lightsaber 1h in tazavesh

[flat river]

like at the start it was good

[sand crest]

it wasnt doodoo!!

😦

[silk wharf]

yea, the swords that look kinda like liquid.

[flat river]

liek first half of season 1

was banger

[sand crest]

(it was kinda bad)

[undone flower]

That’s what I use as prot, some are painful to get

[silk wharf]

I think I killed that rare nexus guy like 20 times.

before he dropped it

[modest condor]

didnt one of those lightsabers spawn a ghostly npc that walks towards you?

[flat river]

i got it first try

skill issue

[sinful spoke]

chat will we be using the new belt

or is it mid

[silk wharf]

yea, but I think only with the actual item equipped.

[flat river]

we will

[undone flower]

There is one that spawn once every couple days in random hours if I remember

[sinful spoke]

gala ily but i feel like ur lying for fun

@modest condor 🎤

[flat river]

i would never 👉👈

[undone flower]

I use this one

[sand crest]

am I the only one who feels like gala is literally zenitsu irl

[modest condor]

yes

[flat river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/818896684087640114/1363642063979024616/RDT_20250420_043048777263686207374999.gif

he just like me fr fr

[sand crest]

bro is just a cute lil guy

:3

[undone flower]

uwu

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-zenitsu-agatsuma-demon-slayer-kimetsu-no-yaiba-flowers-gif-17636946

im just a silly little guy

but when i lock in

https://tenor.com/view/lock-in-parasyte-hold-up-gif-6616384397279042321

[winter shoal]

Exterminate weebs

[toxic jewel]

rate dat mog

[winter shoal]

(ingame)

[sinful spoke]

got it

[sand crest]

come exterminate me uwu :3

[brittle frost]

Hello guys, if I have BiS and HoC how should I use them for the burst? Because of the cd between them

[winter shoal]

After raid daddy chill

[sand crest]

fair, parses > bitches

[winter shoal]

Trinket with ava, BIS with your reck outside ava

[brittle frost]

Ty ❤️

[winter shoal]

If you play RA I got no fuckin clue

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/a-weeb-anime-fucking-weeb-smile-hug-gif-15463123

[winter shoal]

Probably BIS with BS?

@tepid cedar how did you use bis when you were testing RA for keys? Send with BS between ava+reck?

[undone flower]

I just macro BiS on the CD button

[brittle frost]

It's only for raid, i play arms in M+

thanks

[winter shoal]

Based but also wrong

We clappa in here

If it's not the lightning ? I send it back

[brittle frost]

[young swan]

very basic

[sand crest]

nothing worse than tblasting in dfc cart phase and the adds become slower than the cart so you cant hit them without carrying a candle

and ofc the cart

like

never stops?

that thing has a mind of its own

[young swan]

that dungeon blows

[winter shoal]

I wish the cart never stopped in my groups

[flat river]

GAS GAS GAS

[winter shoal]

Mf stops on every lil critter scuttling around

[sand crest]

yeah dfc is straight ass cheeks

fr

[winter shoal]

It's a good thing I only do mickey mouse vault keys or else it'd make me upset

[toxic jewel]

what i'm rockin now 😮

[random raptor]

Anyone tried slayer in m+ with something like this? also is there anything I'm missing that's crucial that I missed?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kRib5B7E2mAyWHEJJzK6tX

[winter shoal]

What weapons are those?

[toxic jewel]

hidden artifacts from legion

[undone flower]

When I try to do cart event in 2 pulls, there is always this dude who just takes aggro but stays near the cart

[toxic jewel]

with the fire enchant

[winter shoal]

Yeah you're missing the part where you spec thane

idk AJ feels like it'd be kinda bad in keys

But I'm not slayerman

[flat river]

slayer > thane

[winter shoal]

Not taking cruelty seems very bad

Same with no HnS

[random raptor]

I'm bored of thane and trying new things until I want to push more, unless I find a slayer build that competes

[undone flower]

No > Yes

[winter shoal]

@modest condor what slayer build did you play in that 19 priory, just regular slayer aoe raid spec?

[sand crest]

all respect to the cute lil guy but thats an L take if ive ever seen one

[flat river]

huge W

[sand crest]

stop it im blushing

:3

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/ju-fufu-ju-fufu-side-eye-zenless-zone-zero-ju-fufu-zzz-zzz-gif-1081283867394367547

[sand crest]

gala as a zenitsu vtuber

thats what I need in my life

or maybe I just need to touch grass

who knows

[random raptor]

I'm not sure what I could drop for hns/cruelty, this is what sim'd the highest for me

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-kid-black-umm-mahmoud-gif-11362661

[undone flower]

Did you lost the ability to recognize real and fake grass with touch ?

[winter shoal]

Drop AJ, maybe one in DE, titanic rage probably not very good

[sand crest]

idk about all that but I can recognize a display port cable from an hdmi cable with touch

[modest condor]

#fury message

[winter shoal]

@random raptor

[random raptor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v6uD7wSscskTb1gFjCuVxk

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kF6L65ZjSXjbMfdqyW4xdQ

I don't know how to feel about it, maybe it's worth trying in a high key

[winter shoal]

You can use top gear to sim talents directly compared to one another btw

[random raptor]

wait really

[winter shoal]

Ye

[random raptor]

[modest condor]

i was playing it for prio damage

[random raptor]

hahaha well I'll check that out

[modest condor]

if you want aoe just go thane

[winter shoal]

Just click whichever ones you want to compare, can also copy them if you want to change whatever talents

[random raptor]

I'll test the builds ST against each other, give me 1 minute

[winter shoal]

I feel like AJ is lying to you in those sims

Chances you drop stacks between packs is very high no?

[random raptor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2ybUGQqr5pinhXgySqkjjt

[edgy widget]

Yeah keep in mind that there's a lot more dynamic downtime in a real dungeon

[random raptor]

oh the ST is a massive difference

interesting, so theres no world we can take odyns without losing too much - at that point just go thane

am I understanding that correctly?

[winter shoal]

I feel like OF itself isn't a huge loss

I wouldn't take titanic rage as well tho

[undone flower]

You can also sim talents combinations

[winter shoal]

(I haven't run the numbers on it, that's pure feelycrafting)

[tepid cedar]

are u using HoC?

[winter shoal]

Assume yes

[tepid cedar]

so, i send HoC with avatar first obbviously. when BiS is usable use it.

then trhough out the fight.

if avatar has less than 20 seconds. i hold it

if more than 20 send it

[feral ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/demo-mesa-delak-gmod-keyboard-hands-gif-23293583

this is what i feel like in gally mythic to get a 1.5m CD into 30ish seconds

and if u get a blaze ur just screwed

[oblique trail]

Unless you get a turbo bad blaze, how are you screwed

[feral ivy]

because im shit.. when reck comes back up adds are half health or less on p1 (havent got to p2 yet)

[oblique trail]

I haven't done the fight since like 1st week of April, but timers should not have changed since then regarding add spawns, unless you instantly interrupt after you break the shield, which I don't see why you would

And back then, it was very feasible to consistently have Reck for every add set

Are you consistently peeling off the boss if you have blazes

And it'd only really be the 2nd add platform that would have Reck be tight, the rest of the timers you should be able to have Reck for assuming you slightly save it

One thing you can try, though I'd only do it if you're comfortable keeping an eye on the cast timer and puddles, is that you can keep hitting Gallywix when you would move away for suppression, and get an extra Rampage off before you'd leap towards the 2nd adds

(Ultimately none of this matters because adds should die regardless, so playing safe > playing risky for a gain that's not really needed)

[winter shoal]

Is there any difference between leaping vs jump+leaping over mines on mugzee? Or will you pop it either way

[edgy widget]

the only reason Reck is tight on Gally is because you're kicking out of the shield too soon - there's no reason it shouldn't always be milked down to ~4s since the boss does nothing other than some raid-wide damage

so tell whoever is kicking, or whatever tank is using Avenger's Shield, to sit on their hands a bit

[oblique trail]

It pops either way

Speaking from experience

[winter shoal]

Bet thank you for your sacrifice

I would give you a balls emote if I could

@junior gale I did a pug raid with someone from your guild and told them to tell you balls and they said I should tell you myself

[feral ivy]

we have a pally tank dont pallys have a auto avender's shield?

[oblique trail]

It's from their divine toll

[junior gale]

who was it so I can call them balls

[winter shoal]

Divine toll will proc more avenger's shields for like 10s after it's cast

[winter shoal]

Warr named chunkybeef or something

Was an alt run

[feral ivy]

is it auto or hes casting it ? idk how to check logs on it

[edgy widget]

they can stop attacking

their damage means nothing

[oblique trail]

He casts it and then it continues casting for a while

[edgy widget]

your cooldown alignment means a lot more

[oblique trail]

Idk if they got a buff for it but they likely do

Haven't played prot pala in a while

[feral ivy]

oh their auto is casting it

[edgy widget]

there's zero reason to be interrupting the boss early when the whole raid can just milk free damage

they can stop auto-casting it

[winter shoal]

Sorry their name was chuckbeef, also I windmill dunked on them

[junior gale]

Retired raider who mostly plays ff14

[winter shoal]

HOLY

[feral ivy]

oh ok i do remember my RL getting annoyed by the kick

[winter shoal]

Insane L

[junior gale]

Balls

[oblique trail]

Tell your pala to spec out of Divine toll, problem solved 👍

[feral ivy]

tyty this helps a lot

[winter shoal]

Me when I have to change talents for a final boss (I am very upset)

[oblique trail]

(They shouldn't talent out of it)

It'll suck for them but it's just what has to be done for the sake of the other 19

[winter shoal]

Me when I have to make considerations for the good of the raid instead of my own personal gain on a final boss

(I am still upset)

[junior gale]

yee prot pallys are banned from pressing toll during intermission

[edgy widget]

they don't even need to talent out of it, just literally don't use Divine Toll there

it's really not that complicated

[oblique trail]

Of course it's just a joke

[edgy widget]

I know, just sayin, it's not a random proc or anything, it's 100% controllable

they might be able to use it immediately on the pull, idk how fast the shield breaks anymore

[oblique trail]

No clue eithrr

Haven't been there for 2 months

But even back then it was fairly fast

[junior gale]

for us it breaks after like 10 or so seconds

[edgy widget]

or maybe you can cancelaura it, idk, but worst case just don't use Divine Toll there and it's fine - getting the whole raid a lot of free damage and better cooldown alignment is worth way more

[edgy widget]

yeah but they're still progging so idk if they're necessarily as speedy

[oblique trail]

When you're still getting used to the rotation moving then it takes a bit

[junior gale]

theres been an amount of times our prot pally has accidentally brain turned off pressed avengers shield ending the cast early

[red berry]

i really love the idea of thunder blast being given by crits as opposed to RNG

[edgy widget]

that was an early suggestion I made, tying Thane to Bloodcraze, and making Bust of Power give a big crit buff instead of just BT dam

[winter shoal]

Bust of Power

[edgy widget]

basically a crit-oriented Fury; fun idea, but maybe a little too difficult to swap between

[plush zephyr]

Daaaang mage discord pfp goes hard

[junior gale]

Archi can you spoil me on arms is there gonna be a whole section on jugg

[marble schooner]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wVuvwU3Ao1ZSTVGViznrVc

Pog

[gleaming crag]

this game is hilarious

[covert coyote]

CE achieved

[marble schooner]

if gally shield on open is popping too fast is it worth it to prepop reck so it aligns better with adds?

like pop reck 5 secs before pull

[winter shoal]

[undone flower]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-twerking-ratchet-dancing-throwing-ass-gif-13893121

[undone flower]

Why the shield popping fast is an issue ?

Or ppl insta kick the boss ?

[covert coyote]

my guild was milking shield pretty hard and it was still like a 50% chance if reck was up in time for the first ads, i'd still think not worth to pop early

[marble schooner]

nvm Im just gigaspamming ramp now I barely get reck back

[winter shoal]

Sheild popping doesn't matter, kicking early does

[marble schooner]

ye we are instakicking afaik

[undone flower]

Yes maybe it’s what they do

[winter shoal]

Why

Explain

[covert coyote]

insta kick i think isn't the move

[marble schooner]

cant

[undone flower]

Your guild knows you can remove 5%+ boss hp with gally doing nothing

[marble schooner]

i will ask later

[undone flower]

But for cd timing, you might have reck issue on adds, but you’re here to kill the boss
You can reck the boss

[marble schooner]

true true

do I always save BS when I get it back for next set of adds on P1?

or can I greed a BS in between

[undone flower]

Idk I used cds on cd, I held bs for adds after third bomb, and intermission adds

I didn’t held reck for adds after third bomb, I could reck before, have it almost full reck with adds alive, bc avatar comes up again, and reck+ bs again the boss, and reck bs again the adds of intermission

[marble schooner]

aight I get you

I guess depends on how high is add damage for the comp

[lapis spoke]

Hey anyone getting an issue on mythic mugzee transition where charge is putting them underneath the boss?

Seems to happen on like 1/5 pulls

[compact knot]

this is normal

[undone flower]

Press S

[lapis spoke]

Am I just charging too close? I’m strafing away from boss every time I charge in

[undone flower]

Idk it happened to me the first times, but after I stopped moving inside him after the charge / charge when he finished his travel time, it never happened again

Third boss charge, I leap

[marble schooner]

the far charge is leap ye

I sometimes do both, leap and charge

[covert coyote]

yeah first 2 I just run, 3rd is a leap angle

[lapis spoke]

Yeah like I said most pulls it’s completely fine I charge first two pulls and we lock portal the third

Just no idea what’s causing me to go under

[marble schooner]

charging too early

you have to wait for mug to finish his charge

before you charge him

[lapis spoke]

Aight gonna test that

[dapper goblet]

@sullen dove EVERYONE SAY GRATS TO SWORDISH ON KILL MYTHIC MUGZEE

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-oh-spongebob-confetti-gif-13772176

this went kinda hard

[dapper goblet]

type @ everyone no space for an easter egg

[junior gale]

@ everyone no space

[sullen dove]

dont think u got easter egged

[junior gale]

it didnt work

[sullen dove]

must be previous knowledge

(i am also aware of the knowledge)

[chilly fractal]

Need that final dinar item for my sim DPS OCD

[undone flower]

goober swordish shouldnt be allowed to buy bis gear from a boss he didnt suffer on

[hollow elk]

man one armed bandit mythic folded in under 100 pulls

[dapper goblet]

preach

[sudden tusk]

smorbsmish victory

soon he will earn his dinar purchase from the boss he has defeated

[compact knot]

bait trinket

oh

sim dps ocd