fury

[edgy oasis]

Eye and cards.
Cards and pacemaker
Mech, fun house

[remote bobcat]

pacemaker
mechano core amplifier
suspicious energy drink
these are generally the best passive trinkets

[warm crag]

please do not play eye of kezan in m+

[remote bobcat]

eye of kezan is ugly

in keys

[edgy oasis]

Chain pulling for the win.

[warm crag]

you are not chainpulling to the degree that eye of kezan is good

[remote bobcat]

what

[elfin harbor]

wonder why guides never do bis for m+ 😄 or at least mention that. How do i sim for m+ ?

[coarse nest]

2 dinar coins this week right?

Next week we get to buy?

[oblique trail]

Because outside of trinket choices, your bis for raid is practically 1:1 for m+ as well

[remote bobcat]

based banzai take

[elfin harbor]

than mention the trinkets at least 😛

[smoky vale]

i will

[coarse nest]

Just sim for raid and play around with trinkets in keys

Ez

[oblique trail]

House of cards + insert passive trinket that's not eye

[elfin harbor]

dont have inventory space to play around xD

[warm crag]

The guy with the rage comic pfp was right

[remote bobcat]

theres a full list

on wowhead

[oblique trail]

lock and stalk < pacemaker, energy drink, amplifier

[remote bobcat]

coming from bloodmallet

[coarse nest]

Pacemaker op!

[warm crag]

Bloodmallet can we get a pog champ in the chat

[coarse nest]

I’d do that one

[smoky vale]

i dont wanna use pacemaker on my dk anymore

it sucks ass

[warm crag]

You suck ass

[smoky vale]

no

[warm crag]

Drop your warrior logs

[smoky vale]

😦

[remote bobcat]

[eager thorn]

i run eye in m+ cos the game refuses to give me any other trinket :/

[remote bobcat]

dinar

[eager thorn]

spent it on bis

[warm crag]

Simply loot pacemaker and Dinar a hoc

[young zenith]

Slayer simming much higher than thane for me atm.. seems wrong.. but yea..?

[eager thorn]

yea i havent seen a single pacemaker drop this season

[remote bobcat]

in ST slayer has always outperformed thane

since its inception

[eager thorn]

but also now that gally is dead and idc about m+ pushing im kinda just sat in s3 waiting room

[remote bobcat]

come boost ramiell runs again

[eager thorn]

boost gold is dogshit nty

[young zenith]

I mean for AOE too tho

[remote bobcat]

send sims

[dense fulcrum]

whats the best trinkets for OAB mythic figh in ur opinion as thane fury

[remote bobcat]

the same trinekts that we usually grab

[final eagle]

Lock-and-stalk + pacemaker maybe?

[remote bobcat]

hoc, pacemaker, energy drink, mechano core amp, eye of kezan at 6min or longer duration, lockncock, funhouse lens

did i miss any?

i guess viscera can work

[final eagle]

yeah right now on that fight aoe doesnt matters that much

[plush zephyr]

I need to see sims

[young zenith]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8TATasVvbtRcRkwJKAG33Q

[remote bobcat]

yea no thats just a bad sim mate

you're effectively looking at which spec has more burst

obviously slayer

[warm crag]

45 Minute sim

[plush zephyr]

I was making sure I was looking at that right

[undone flower]

Im slayer on oab bc AoE doesn’t matter

[plush zephyr]

I was like tf am I looking at right now

[warm crag]

Its probably an m+ export sim but i cba checking

[sullen dove]

Average weekly +10 no leaver

[final eagle]

yeah

[young zenith]

taking advise on how to sim better then.. also yea its a rookery route

[remote bobcat]

think about what ur actually doing in dungeons, what you want to sim and what you dont want to sim

whats important context giving information for you

I personally do weekly keys, packs dont last 3mins

so i sim aoe anywhere from 40sec to 90sec

on my warr

at least

no BL no raidbuffs

i also check with BL, for generic first pulls

i also check 3min ST sims with BL and without BL

i also run longer sims just for context

And i form an opinion, because quite frankly, m+ is too volatile to have a perfect answer to what gear you want

[young zenith]

yea, i appreciate that, why i was confused as to why slayer was so high

[torn silo]

Fury on mythic sprocket. We're like 130 pulls in or something so I have everything pretty down, but I'm trying to play with small stuff to eke out some extra dps.

Is there an amount of time where it's worth it to hold off bladestorming to wait for avatar/reck for a bigger BS and bigger ramp from brutal finish? After the opener, I get BS up like 10-15 seconds before reck and I'm back and forth on whether to hold or not. I feel like if I hold, I'll probably get 1 less total blade storm over the fight, but they'll line up better with cds so the ones I have will hit harder?

[winter shoal]

Yes you hold BS if reck is <= 18s remaining (which means like 8-10s in reality because AM)

And technically the APL doesn't say you hold for ava with AM but I personally will if ava is like <= 10s remaining as well

[torn silo]

What about the opposite? Is it worth it to hold Ava/reck if bs is coming up soon?

[winter shoal]

No

You pretty much send those on cd unless you're about to have downtime

(or add spawns or damage amp but those aren't a thing on sprocket)

[torn silo]

Okay. And post bs, I'm spamming rb even if rage capped to get the extra % for the fatty brutal finish ramp right?

[winter shoal]

It's an extremely minor dps increase but yeah

[torn silo]

Up to 5 stacks of whatever that buff is I can't remember the name

[winter shoal]

There are other things that still take higher prio as well though like maintaining enrage and your exe conditions

[torn silo]

Okay. I think I'm hitting RB too much. It's my most damaging ability pretty consistently

[tepid cedar]

negative

dont hold it

me and sil did a shit ton of sims one night

with some custom times. dont hold ava.

[winter shoal]

no not holding ava

[sullen dove]

Also Ava and reck are like almost guaranteed gonna be able to fit a bs in them unless you like just used one in the last 20 seconds

[winter shoal]

Holding BS for ava

You never (in patchwerk) hold reck or ava

[tepid cedar]

ahh yea

dont hold BS

for ava

is what im saying

[winter shoal]

Oh word

[tepid cedar]

yep

thats what i though too

[sullen dove]

don’t u mean holding Ava for bs

[winter shoal]

Even after the BS buff the other day?

[tepid cedar]

i re ran it again

if BS is up and ava is stil on cd say 8 seconds

send bs

dont hold it for ava

if i rmember its like <=2 seconds

for a minimal gain

and mainly in MT

however, its super rare to have bs come out and have ava at about 2 seconds

[winter shoal]

Yeah it's usually more like 10-15

Good to know though

[tepid cedar]

and jsut more time managing tbh

thats not super worth it

[winter shoal]

I mean (at least pre-BS buff) it's only like 0.5% anyways

To hold BS vs just sending on cd

At least single target

[tepid cedar]

it was a dps loss

believe it or not

makes no sense

lol

[winter shoal]

wym

[tepid cedar]

this

pore buff

pre

[winter shoal]

Pre buff I think you held BS for like 24s for reck, but just sending on cd was only like a 0.5% dps loss

Sarri updated the APL to hold for 18s for reck

[tepid cedar]

cause thats what i though. lol which led us to custom apling the shit

[winter shoal]

Not sure how much of a dps loss just sending BS is now

[tepid cedar]

yea well 24 is for RA

[winter shoal]

actions.slayer+=/bladestorm,if=buff.enrage.up&(talent.reckless_abandon&cooldown.avatar.remains>=24|talent.anger_management&cooldown.recklessness.remains>=18)

[tepid cedar]

and i think they kept it at 24 for s2

[winter shoal]

24 for RA ava, 18 for AM reck

[tepid cedar]

until they min maxed it to 18 a few eeks ago

yea 18 got ahcnaged a few weeks ago

was 24 as well

[winter shoal]

Yer

[tepid cedar]

i need to sit my ass down and do a custom apl for this loboz build and really see if its worth it. really not sold on it, but be pretty ignorant to atleast get it done and sim it a few times to see what the deal is

[winter shoal]

I think it's bad

But people are trying to force it to be good because like 3 people think it's funny

[tepid cedar]

yea legit jsut playing on rng

look i pressed bt 10 times and got 2 procs on it

[timber hare]

Ive tried it on a few 15s

its fine

can defintely feel its limits

thane just feels safer and more consistent

[tepid cedar]

thats the keyword. consistent

hell to be honest

this pumps

[silk wharf]

But you don't hold for avatar? Is that what I'm understanding? But you should for Reck alone even though avatar grants Recklessness?

[tepid cedar]

and st is crazy

[tepid cedar]

yes. if reck is 18 seconds and less. u hold bs

above 18 seconds send it

[silk wharf]

Yes, since avatar grants recklessness is that included, is what im asking?

[tepid cedar]

rare to have ava come up before bs ig your playing properly

[silk wharf]

Situations happen in practical play that arent covered in sims.

[tepid cedar]

but imo, dont think about it, sent bs b4 ava

[broken kite]

U using this in keys ?

[tepid cedar]

yes

[broken kite]

How much u avg ?

[silk wharf]

I'm going to assume it has something to do with the cooldown cadence being disrupted by holding BS too long while reck is cooldowning.

[tepid cedar]

u can easily get 4m+ overall with good group

but u make it up in prio dmg and bosses

[tepid cedar]

loss of total cd usage

when u start holding shit to long

especialy with AM, when u get some good executes bacvk to back and ur timer just goes boooom

it all adds up

[silk wharf]

yes, I was trying to clarify why you would hold for reck and not avatar, since they grant the same bonuses. Either loses you uses on the overall fight, less with reck of course since its cooldown is so much quicker. But losing the uses with disrupting the similar cooldowns of reck and storm I guess is what puts it over the top.

[winter shoal]

Ava lasts longer so you're likely to still get a BS + BF ramp during ava ig

[broken kite]

Check your dms

[winter shoal]

DMing people in skyhold

[inland flame]

Should rename SKyhold to Atlas is has fewer letters

[glad coyote]

anybody use Mister Lock-N-Stalk for m+? and if so what mode do you use?

[flat river]

I miss 20% UF

[torn silo]

Okay, that was a lot of cool information, this is my main takeaway here.

Hold BS if reck is 18s or less. Send otherwise. Pop avatars regardless of BS.

[winter shoal]

Sounds correct

@tepid cedar lmk if you rerun the sims, I'm keen to see the results

I can run them myself but busy rn and will probably forget later

[torn silo]

Is there a place where stuff like this is aggregated (other than just getting lucky and seeing discourse in here)? Like obviously a lot of this stuff is min/maxey, but goes above and beyond the wowhead rotation. It'd be cool to see a more in depth / conditional version of the wowhead one.

[winter shoal]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/thewarwithin/ActionPriorityLists/warrior_fury.simc

That's what raidbots does, it's generally pretty minmaxed for a sim context (meaning what's best to do on average, assuming you aren't having to play around things like downtime from mechanics, holding cds for fight timings, etc)

What's in the wowhead guide is basically the stuff from there that's important, but things that are particularly minor dps gains at the cost of high cognitive load are generally excluded

[torn silo]

Which makes 100% sense

But that's really cool actually

So, I could grab that, pull out the slayer stuff and find pretty much the ideal min/maxey rotation

[winter shoal]

Yeah

[torn silo]

Super neat.

[winter shoal]

It's kind of confusing to read though and contains stuff that's not particularly relevant (e.g. having all the conditions for CB/BB if you're playing RA), so a good first step would probably be pruning down the things that don't play

apply*

Then you can start parsing through all the conditions

[torn silo]

So like reading that, if ashen jugg buff has less than a GCD left, execute takes prio over pretty much everything.

[winter shoal]

Exactly

[torn silo]

Super weird circumstantial shit, but my brain maybe would've said if i like didn't have enrage up, that would've been a higher prio maybe

Er higher prio to ramp than exe and lose ashen

Yeah this is SUPER neat to read

[winter shoal]

@modest condor do you know how simc handles precedence of logical operators? I was looking at udk earlier and it had

actions.san_st+=/festering_strike,if=
(debuff.festering_wound.stack=0&cooldown.apocalypse.remains<variable.apoc_timing) |
(talent.gift_of_the_sanlayn&!buff.gift_of_the_sanlayn.up|!talent.gift_of_the_sanlayn) & (buff.festering_scythe.react|debuff.festering_wound.stack<=1)

is that
(apoc | gift) & (scythe | wound.stack)
or
apoc | (gift & (scythe | wound.stack))?

[plush zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-math-math-cat-numbers-cat-funny-gif-13385485103134761656

[winter shoal]

Real

Reading APLs written by non-warriros hurts my brain

Arma is too smart for me

[plush zephyr]

going into a 17 wish me luck

[modest condor]

| starts a completely new condition, so
(debuff.festering_wound.stack=0&cooldown.apocalypse.remains<variable.apoc_timing)
and
(talent.gift_of_the_sanlayn&!buff.gift_of_the_sanlayn.up|!talent.gift_of_the_sanlayn) & (buff.festering_scythe.react|debuff.festering_wound.stack<=1)
are 2 seperate conditions

and
(talent.gift_of_the_sanlayn&!buff.gift_of_the_sanlayn.up|!talent.gift_of_the_sanlayn)
would be either
talent.gift_of_the_sanlayn&!buff.gift_of_the_sanlayn.up
or
!talent.gift_of_the_sanlayn

[winter shoal]

Okay so

actions.san_st+=/festering_strike,if=
(debuff.festering_wound.stack=0&cooldown.apocalypse.remains<variable.apoc_timing) |
(talent.gift_of_the_sanlayn&!buff.gift_of_the_sanlayn.up|!talent.gift_of_the_sanlayn) & (buff.festering_scythe.react|debuff.festering_wound.stack<=1)

is functionally identical to

actions.san_st+=/festering_strike,if=
(debuff.festering_wound.stack=0&cooldown.apocalypse.remains<variable.apoc_timing)
actions.san_st+=/festering_strike,if=(talent.gift_of_the_sanlayn&!buff.gift_of_the_sanlayn.up|!talent.gift_of_the_sanlayn) & (buff.festering_scythe.react|debuff.festering_wound.stack<=1)

?

[modest condor]

yes

[winter shoal]

Got it ty chief

[modest condor]

and the 2nd part is either of the first conditions and either of the second conditions, so there are 4 possible ways that one could happen

[winter shoal]

Right, 2^n branches where n is the number of | in the line

correct?

[modest condor]

idk man

[winter shoal]

The original thing with the first | broken into two lines, then like you said the second of those lines can break into 4

times 2 from the first line

idk if I'm explaining it well, also kinda doesn't matter

[modest condor]

talent.gift_of_the_sanlayn&!buff.gift_of_the_sanlayn.up&buff.festering_scythe.react

talent.gift_of_the_sanlayn&!buff.gift_of_the_sanlayn.up&debuff.festering_wound.stack<=1

!talent.gift_of_the_sanlayn&buff.festering_scythe.react

!talent.gift_of_the_sanlayn&debuff.festering_wound.stack<=1

if you're talented into gift of the sanlayn you do it only when the buff is up, if you're not talented into it you just do it whenever

[winter shoal]

Yeah I mean a lot of it is just simc shit that doesn't really matter bc you're never not going to have that talent

[modest condor]

it's like how we have checks for <35 with massacre or <20 if not massacre

[winter shoal]

But the main idea is | will implicitly put () around the conditions on either side of it right? e.g.
a & b | c & d is the same as (a & b) | (c & d)

a & b & c | d & e === (a & b & c) | (d & e)

[modest condor]

yes

but it's easier to read if you just put the brackets there anyway

[spare steppe]

what is math doing in fury

that looks like arcane barrage math

nobody wants that

[winter shoal]

That's what I'm saying but eslint + prettier always removes them because it's "superfluous"

[plush zephyr]

Tbh arcane is pretty simple atm

[spare steppe]

arent there 18 different consideration of when to use arcane barrage?

or something silly?

[plush zephyr]

Mmm not at the moment

It’s quite simplified

I’d argue Sun fury is more complicated atm considering pooling

[winter shoal]

Me when the fire mage combustion line literally has a horizontal scroll bar

actions.ff_combustion=combustion,use_off_gcd=1,use_while_casting=1,if=buff.combustion.down&(action.fireball.executing&action.fireball.execute_remains<variable.cast_remains_time|action.meteor.in_flight&action.meteor.in_flight_remains<variable.cast_remains_time|action.pyroblast.executing&action.pyroblast.execute_remains<variable.cast_remains_time|action.scorch.executing&action.scorch.execute_remains<variable.cast_remains_time)

Okay nvm arcane is way worse

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/thewarwithin/ActionPriorityLists/mage_arcane.simc#L69

Get these mfs out the kitchen

[compact knot]

i was like 5m then it went down a lot

cause boss didnt die at right time

in a better group it can be HELLA high i think

[sour tundra]

has anyone grouped up for visions? how is the scaling?

ive always just ran it solo which seems easier

[mild vector]

done some as duo, each cleared one side and we met up for last boss

was pretty chill

[brittle crow]

i miss fury

is fury or arms gonna be better next tier someone give me their future sight

[modest condor]

yes

[whole yacht]

ARMS

[olive wraith]

Honestly. Did a few keys today as fury and i vibe

Overall might be lower but keys are still timeable

[weary mango]

wasn't able to find an answer but if you can't get myth track Capital Punisher and Best-in-Slots, are hero track still the go-to over anything else?

[modest condor]

no

[weary mango]

what would the bis be instead then? polearms from DFC?

[modest condor]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

whichever myth track weapon you can get your hands on

and otherwise crafted ones

[weary mango]

alrighty thanks

[feral ivy]

which would be better for BIS+HOC for intro of the raid boss fight. all cd+BIS and then 2nd reck+BS+HOC orrrr all cd+HOC then 2nd reck+BS+BIS

[chilly fractal]

fuck Stix... My meme heroic parses have that eyesore

[cosmic sundial]

HOC goes with Ava

the timing is synced

I tend to save bis for second reck

[feral ivy]

tyty never thought about that

[fiery flame]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cqxiK8uqab7UiKcswbrZmk

[modest condor]

that's with 60% uptime which is giga low

in my experience my uptime is usually around 85% or so

[winter shoal]

The context is they were saying earlier their uptime was low bc gally prog

Still within margin of error tho and duskthread keeps you marginally safer

[modest condor]

oh

[fiery flame]

idk which one to choose

ill keep up with the duskthread

for now

[winter shoal]

Yeah that seems best imo

[fiery flame]

thanks man

[winter shoal]

o7

[slim coral]

Odens fury is so back

[feral ivy]

whats a counterfeit dealers chip?

[slim coral]

transmog

[cinder wren]

I'm sure this a dumb question, but do I need to resign myself to not doing really good overall as fury specifically slayer? I don't think my dmg is bad but holy shit so I get taken do gapplebees by ele sham or demo locks

[thick fossil]

You sniping all the pad adds?

[slim coral]

in keys?

[feral ivy]

ahh tyty

[slim coral]

[cinder wren]

Yeah m+ forgot to edit

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/wink-alonzo-training-day-you-know-what-i-mean-denzel-washington-gif-3880790992928319831

[slim coral]

yes fury basically does no damage in keys

[cinder wren]

I thought I was hot shit for a sec on swampface, keeping up with the lock but then I saw the overall and I crie

[sinful spoke]

deserved for playing fury

[modest condor]

dont worry next season we'll get an uncapped tierset and we can actually compete in m+

[sinful spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/geheimakte-2-puritas-cordis-secret-files-2-puritas-cordis-deep-silver-fushionsphere-systems-video-game-gif-5644808065261750627

[opal monolith]

I thought I opened my discord app not my porn app

[tepid cedar]

i heard next season, all fury warriors get GM rings

[opal monolith]

What's GM

[tepid cedar]

game master rings

[opal monolith]

Oh probably as likely as us getting some form of uncapped aoe

On a little sidenote, can anyone post a build with OF, or is it already on wowhead?

I'll overcome my lazyness and check

[timber hare]

CgEAO9DBjZzKcjSu6RJDto0RCCAAAAAAAAA0YYGbMDzsMmZswMzMzMMDjttZGzMzGzMjxMMjFbzwMmBAAAix2yALgJYGmAD2A

what ive been using

[opal monolith]

Honestly it doesn't seem worth it right, another button for barely a net gain?

[timber hare]

nah not really worth it

[frank dawn]

it's not really worth it no, it's just fine to use if you really enjoy it now

[timber hare]

but if you feel like playing slayer its fine

[tepid cedar]

im still waiting for fury warrior (mid) i mean end of season article

we last on the charts and last on the review

lolol

[opal monolith]

Thanks guys might try it once for the funnies

[fiery edge]

loboz build?

[timber hare]

yis

[tepid cedar]

fuck that loboz build

[fiery edge]

it was fun at the start, then it shrank

[storm birch]

One more for resil 17’s. Getting a group for floodgate is miserable

[timber hare]

just did a 15 DFC with it

was fun

[storm birch]

How I can have every other 17 done and not get inv to the last is wild

[modest condor]

soft capping OF at 5 was dumb

[tepid cedar]

sfuck of

[fiery edge]

[modest condor]

also everything else got buffed by like 40% but OF is not even back to the same level it was when TT still procced an OF

[tepid cedar]

buff raging blow by 40%

.<

[dense elbow]

OF only need another 60% ish, its coming soon

[fiery edge]

we having bunch of RB nodes, but not using and pressing feels off

[dense elbow]

[tepid cedar]

they refuse to change furys gamnestyle. so fucking embrace it and buff the shit to the moon lol

[opal monolith]

Thing is they don't need to tho

[fiery edge]

buff to the trash can

[tepid cedar]

lolz

[opal monolith]

Just add a few targets to ww cleave and everything effectively is the same, spec plays smoothly nothing changes on st

Ah well no point repeating what has been said 383636179 times

[timber hare]

lmao

hes becoming self aware!

[opal monolith]

A warrior with self awareness

What the hell is this timeline

[timber hare]

BAN HIM

[fiery edge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1125012783277289522.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[opal monolith]

I swear it's because of that mage in my group who accidently put int buff on me it's only temporarily

[fiery edge]

magic swordsman

[timber hare]

Ah good

youll return to smooth brain soon enough

[opal monolith]

Zug zug?

[fiery edge]

testing slayer agaain

[tepid cedar]

mugzy 8% wipe, was about to go to the moooonnnn jsut popped a tempered too lolol

[red berry]

without TT odyn, odyn by itself really does need to be a lot. stronger.

i wish they'd also make it eight targets again

[frank dawn]

they might make another raid with most of the fights having shitty adds that align exactly with its cooldown tho

so they can't ever buff it properly

maybe by the time Last Titan releases we will have paid for our Nerubar Palace sins

[winter shoal]

@tepid cedar ran some super quick numbers on the ava/BS stuff
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jDkbMbu7d2ec6VeuwL4aEr

Simc profile still doesn't have turbo boost gear but yeah -0.3% for either sending BS asap or holding for ava

[sullen tendon]

your problem is your are doing mechanics

[winter shoal]

It looks like all of them have 10.95 BS casts so I have a feeling I bungled something with the sim

[cosmic sundial]

Other than when I have two stacks of tblast, should I just send tblast for damage or wait till I use all of my meat cleaver?

[winter shoal]

Use it for dam

TBlast fuk gud

[cosmic sundial]

[inner zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/875594407892647956/1339360918215196794/98jg1s.gif

[modest condor]

tblast top prio if you're enraged

[winter shoal]

You should also use it even if you don't have 2 stacks, although if you aren't dropping ww stacks or losing blast procs it doesn't really matter

[cosmic sundial]

yeah I'm not losing procs, still using them

just didn't know if should hold if I have one stack of ww remaining or just send

I usually just send

[winter shoal]

Yeah just send that shi

[dense elbow]

Quick check, no warriors in the MDI ye?

[winter shoal]

Not since Noxiv afaik

Haven't watched Chinese cup tho

[dense elbow]

ty

[tepid cedar]

Yea. The best number is got was 2 seconds and only in mt

[winter shoal]

Was that even an increase? Or just neutral

Vs baseline not holding BS for ava I mean

[tepid cedar]

On my it was a small increase holding bs only if ava was 2 seconds or less lol

[fiery edge]

waited 30mins for a pug to mess up key

ofc it's tank dh

[frank dawn]

tank dh are pure yolo about half the time

you never know what you're gonna get

[tepid cedar]

Problem is that all the good dhs are doing 17-18+++

Anything under is all shit meta andies

He’ll possibly even 17s bc of their class. You get invited enough your bound to time 1

[fiery edge]

bro overpulled and didn't aggro enough

healer couldn't keep up

[cosmic sundial]

Call me crazy. Call me bad. But I'm liking OF in MT build

[fiery edge]

elaborate

[cosmic sundial]

Been testing this out on mountain thane build

it's dumb

I know not how to minmax, but having OF to push a little more aoe is fun

[fiery edge]

oh nvm, if it's fun

[modest condor]

that looks really cursed on st with no hns or wrath and fury

[fiery edge]

my gawd, delete this dem crit nodes

[cosmic sundial]

I can't get to OF without it

[winter shoal]

Sin rogue levels of empty gcds

[cosmic sundial]

Eh not really

[modest condor]

i mean you can probably make it work by prioritising bt

[cosmic sundial]

simply ww if you have to

plus if you get Burst of power you can dump your bts for rage if needed

[olive wraith]

Do we not just remove VC points for it

[cosmic sundial]

I wanted to keep it

but most builds I've seen posted do that

(the removing part)

[cold cape]

Are there any fights where House of Cards is a clear winner over Lock N Stalk?

[smoky vale]

ribot bud

[cold cape]

Ribot?

[smoky vale]

sim yourself

[cold cape]

Oh I see

[smoky vale]

0 point guessing when we have something to do it for you

[summer quail]

stix and vexie

[cold cape]

I. was just curious since I saw a lot of top parsers use it over House

[summer quail]

maybe oab

[cold cape]

House of Cards with adds/cleaving right

Lock N Stalk for pure ST

Basically

[smoky vale]

i mean it just depends on your character

and killtimes

like

there is no definitive answer

you can sim the kill times

but

[limber oar]

CE wahoo

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pPrCqf2kW9vyTt6m?fight=42&type=damage-done

[remote bobcat]

insert loboz build

[timber hare]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Qfg7hH4RAYDy3w61?fight=last&type=damage-done

loboz rookery i just did

[remote bobcat]

[tender seal]

What was that on details ?

[remote bobcat]

should be around 3.8

[timber hare]

spot on king

[remote bobcat]

active dps modifier on wcl never disappoints

[cosmic sundial]

Other than meadery and rookery what's the third most aoe intensive dungeon? Flood?

[remote bobcat]

priory

priory has more aoe than rook

[cosmic sundial]

fuck how did I forget priory

I'm dumb

[remote bobcat]

ur pepega

[cosmic sundial]

Kronzo please

[remote bobcat]

whatt

ah yes i missed the way this map was made

[cosmic sundial]

lmao

old world map go crazy

[acoustic zodiac]

Hey guys. Probably been asked 100 times, and i do apologize, but do we have data, regarding recent buffs, that opens up new builds and such. Doing keys in the 10-12 range so nothing crazy 🙂 I ask out of curiosity since i know i can play none-optimal builds at my lvl

[remote bobcat]

recent changes make it so the meta stays exactly the same - you can easily pad more in lower keys using odyns fury though

people have been enjoying OF slayer builds

and it performs quite well in lower keys like 12s

[acoustic zodiac]

Awesome... Have to try it 🙂 What we sacrificing to get OF in the slayer build? This greedy dude want it all 😄

[cosmic sundial]

Just had a bdk touch adds during Ipa fight, say gg focus adds next time and leave. Thing is he didn't touch already spawned adds, it was a new one that just spawned kekw

[radiant plank]

VC

[remote bobcat]

calling it "touch" is crazy

[cosmic sundial]

I mean the boss touches the adds and it gains a shield and does aoe no?

[acoustic zodiac]

Thx for the reply !!!

[remote bobcat]

u said the BDK touched adds

[cosmic sundial]

yes, during ipa, which I would think would have you think "ah the boss mechanic"

[olive wraith]

Grippy hands?

[cosmic sundial]

not I'm some weirdo calling grips, "touches"

[remote bobcat]

thats exactly what u are

[cosmic sundial]

for wording sake and so kronzo doesn't lose any more braincells, "he ran over the adds"

[remote bobcat]

:>

[olive wraith]

Damn taking shots from nowhere

[olive wraith]

Unfortunate. Gg go next

[cosmic sundial]

it is, I'm trying to actually test this Thane build with OF I had a feverdream about

[olive wraith]

Dropping rb talents is sus imo

[cosmic sundial]

First pull I did get to 14.6mil

but I feel that's not great

[cosmic sundial]

what can I say, I like BT during exe

I will run one more with rb talents though

[untold steeple]

Hello, for M+, i sim Dungeon Slice or Patchork?

[remote bobcat]

Think about what ur actually doing in dungeons, what you want to sim and what you dont want to sim. Whats important context giving information for you?
I personally do weekly keys on my warrior cause thats my raid character, packs dont last 3mins so i sim aoe patchwerk 5targets or 10targets anywhere from 40sec to 90sec (no BL no raidbuffs)
i also check with BL, for generic first pulls and 3min ST sims with BL and without BL and then I run longer sims just for context, so i can then form an opinion, because quite frankly, m+ is too volatile to have a perfect answer to what gear you want

Dungeon Slice is very limited in what it provides for you

[timber hare]

what a handsome man giving you such a detailed response

[modest torrent]

"oh yeah with 90%+ parses I'm sure to do more dmg than them...." (#daily rant)

[gleaming siren]

Comparing to the 2 best overall specs is crazy work

[modest torrent]

i am a believer

[rain thicket]

@tepid cedar but if we play slayer in m+ shouldnt we prio BT over all in AOE? Reap is our only strong AOE so we should press Raging Blow a lot less and pickin talents for it aren that much useful?

[remote bobcat]

if ur running the RB talents then you do want to RB over BT in 5 target (and less) situations

as soon as u hit proper aoe, spam BT

[gleaming siren]

what if I play Loboz build

[remote bobcat]

try it

[gleaming siren]

no

[remote bobcat]

doch

[bitter palm]

weak

[hardy cargo]

It owns

[remote haven]

Tried it a few times in 10-12 keys when its bigpulls all the way it feels better than normal slayer definetly 😄

[flat river]

Loboz cooked ngl

[radiant coyote]

Loboz build so goated im gonna play it in raid

[random raptor]

is anyone having success using odyns? been away a few days and was wondering if its good in keys or not

[south kayak]

I was playing playing my rogue and got so many td procs

[remote bobcat]

10% is crazy

[south kayak]

yeah this isn't normal at all

first time ive seen it proc this many times

now this is bfa TD

[earnest canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/gaming-flygon-among-us-the-game-when-the-gaming-gif-23690969

[flat river]

i reached till bug part with 8 masks

then died

gg

[remote bobcat]

go there first

[flat river]

is that the strat?

i always go left first

true actually

if i know how to do left

i should start with hard first

i died actually not because stun

it was because disorient

xD

[thick fossil]

I only had 2 masks unlocked so far. I got the greater corruptions and haven't really bothered to look back.

Was still able to clear all areas with the 2 with zero issues.

[flat river]

oof

[slim coral]

What was his build again

[flat river]

bolstering + multitudes is big dmg

[flat river]

the BT build

[slim coral]

Really hope they fix warrior sometime soon

[flat river]

CgEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA0YYGbmZYmlxMjFmZmxMMDjttZGzMzGzMjxMMjFbzwMmBAAAix2yALgBMDTgBbA

[slim coral]

I understand from their pov it functions but man is it not fun

[south kayak]

too bad

[undone flower]

Go rexxar first

[flat river]

yes chef

[undone flower]

The 2 packs before him are why you will fail, so just do it first

[gleaming siren]

The worst part is

It's optimal to just skip all the trash in Rexxar wing

[undone flower]

Go slayer, bs them to oblivion

[gleaming siren]

By going right side through water and abusing leap

[undone flower]

I guess you can do the skip / I just went slayer, bs the pack before miniboss, do miniboss for cd, bs the last pack

[gleaming siren]

Doing last pack is just grief

You always leap skip it if you killed the miniboss

[flat river]

i have 1 min till bladestorm

before the 2 packs

should i wait

40 seconds now

[undone flower]

Not if it dies in 1 sec

[gleaming siren]

You can just pop 2 orbs in that area and easily finish the rest

[gleaming siren]

Yes even then

[undone flower]

Yes

[flat river]

oki

[gleaming siren]

Cause you could just be burning Rexxar with that CD set

[undone flower]

Wait bc you don’t care about sanity

[flat river]

ill use an orb

[undone flower]

Don’t burn Rexxar

[flat river]

im half sanity

actually wait

yeah i will

xd

[gleaming siren]

This sounds like a Warriorbrain move

Adds die in 2 GCDs

They never cast just blast the boss

[undone flower]

Yep, I prefer to be safe

[flat river]

I DID IT

[undone flower]

Since sanity doesn’t matter, I had 3 orbs on thrall

[flat river]

now rexxar

gg

i died

[undone flower]

You burned rexxar?

[flat river]

gahdamn boars quilspray me

[undone flower]

Boar is 80%-70% and 2 with 50%? I just lowered rexxar to these and placed myself for boars

[flat river]

does he summon them only once?

[undone flower]

Yes only once

[flat river]

ok ill wait on BS then

lol

[undone flower]

1 - 1 and then 2

[flat river]

easy peasy

[south kayak]

i play devastation

and bosses die so fast during my burst

[slim coral]

Did y’all do your 8 mask clears yet

[flat river]

remove yourself

[south kayak]

press 2 engul

f

boss dead

[undone flower]

I did 8 masks Wednesday on reset

[flat river]

who asked though

[slim coral]

Hell yeah

[south kayak]

Nobody did

I inserted myself

into this conversation

[slim coral]

The belt in 11.1.7 should be fun

[south kayak]

Why

[gleaming siren]

The trick to making Rexxar ultra safe is to engage him then just pop an orb

[slim coral]

Cause it’s cool

Has fun stuff

[mystic hill]

LESGOOOO

[gleaming siren]

Even if you get skill issued and let Quills go through youre safe

[south kayak]

gz

[undone flower]

Gg

[flat river]

huge

now its my turn

ITS THIS RUN BOIZ

[mystic hill]

honestly, i sat down and meant to bash head against it until i did it

and i got it done first run today

lucked out and gut the damage buff and haste buff tho

[gleaming siren]

There's legitimately one point in the entire run you can die

That's Rexxar wing

[undone flower]

That’s the zug way

[mystic hill]

the pull b4 rexxar was OMEGA sketch

[gleaming siren]

And the funny mob that throws you for -150 Sanity

[gleaming siren]

Yea that's a skip

Or Bladestorm

Either/or

[mystic hill]

but i was lazy and wanted the teleport so i wated a minute till all cds were up and then just send it

[gleaming siren]

Skip is nice you get coolies for Rexxar

[undone flower]

Funny mob was orb if I’m not full when I pull

[mystic hill]

yeah that guys stinks

[gleaming siren]

Yea just pop orbs on Rexxar (charge->orb)

And the funny guy

And then one safety orb on Thrall

[mystic hill]

and i thought it would be funny to stand in the funny red swirlies of the other elite in that area

[gleaming siren]

Oh yea those are what

-300?

[mystic hill]

killed thrall with sub 100 sanity

[mystic hill]

yuppers

[gleaming siren]

Funny

[undone flower]

Yeah beside rexxar, you die by trolling bc you are butterfly happy you killed rexxar

[gleaming siren]

Well yea, everything else is easy

[undone flower]

So you eat a -300 random shit

[gleaming siren]

And Rexxar wing isn't hard

It's just bs

[mystic hill]

@undone flower your name just made be VERY sad

[slim coral]

I miss expedient 3

Bring it back

[mystic hill]

actually made me happy for a second and checked the vendor for my hpal

[undone flower]

I miss TD

[slim coral]

It’s already back

[undone flower]

I play it but I know it’s not real

[slim coral]

Can’t miss something that’s back

[undone flower]

TD on gally is fun

[south kayak]

I still haven't checked it out

what's the name of it

[south kayak]

Have you seen my TD damage on my rogue

I got lucky here

[undone flower]

I saw, rogue doing rogue stuff with proc effect I guess lol

[south kayak]

nah this isn't common

[undone flower]

Outlaw, it is common for random proc being great

[slim coral]

Idk can’t remember tested it on ptr

It’s too long of name

[south kayak]

well this is the first time it procced this much since i got it

[undone flower]

(Why first boss trinket is rly good on outlaw)

[south kayak]

so it's not common

[flat river]

oh no

[south kayak]

uh oh

[flat river]

i pulled too much

ITS THIS RUN GUYS

[mystic hill]

so i can buy and send hero gear now?

[undone flower]

You know back then there were spec that played infinite stars just because they procced it way more

[undone flower]

Nop

And just do 5 masks with your alt

[south kayak]

YEPGE

[south kayak]

DH

[ember apex]

ive been in here for 5+ hours, what the F am i doing wrong (i didnt play BFA)

[undone flower]

They are piss easy when you remove 400% sanity loss, -50% sanity and more trashs mask

[south kayak]

Outlaw doesn't proc it more, it's just that it does more damage for them because of high versa/crit

[ember apex]

i have every single battle pet

but 5/8 of quest items, i jsut want my helm enchant

whats the secret

[mystic hill]

the alts i play dont rly need it, just thought it buy a weapon for offspec on alt

[ember apex]

were u guys able to get greaater helm enchant?

[mystic hill]

u dont need any mask, just do the 2 outer wings

[undone flower]

Yeah I did on 2 fresh alts because it’s free 2-3 hero pieces

[ember apex]

really??

[mystic hill]

the item drops from the boxes u get for killing them

ye

[undone flower]

^

[mystic hill]

well i did 1 mask everytime so im not 100% sure if u can do 0 mask

[undone flower]

No need for masks for the quest

[ember apex]

does the mask reduce drop rate???

[mystic hill]

no

[ember apex]

ive been doing full clears

i have the 4 mask 4 wing achievement

[undone flower]

Or just activate 1 mask to be sure (the easiest one)

[slim coral]

Have yall played dk this tier

It’s really fun

[ember apex]

ive done it prob 10 times now

[mystic hill]

i like pressing 3 buttons on onholy

[slim coral]

Obliterate Frost dk is what arms should be

[ember apex]

ive no joke spent 5 hours in here grinding this place

[mystic hill]

my condolences

[ember apex]

ok so do 1 mask 2 wings?

[south kayak]

Saddk

[ember apex]

plus boss or skip boss

[mystic hill]

just do the 2 "harder" wings and thrall

[flat river]

aight i need a break or ill get mad

xd

[ember apex]

what are the 2 harder wings org seems all easy idk

[mystic hill]

want a secret?

[ember apex]

the ones in the back iguess?

[flat river]

nuh uh

[mystic hill]

rexxar and uuuhthe one where u need to kill many mobs for boss spawn

[flat river]

its not a secret if you're going to say it in the warrior discord for everyone to see

[ember apex]

ok got it, ill do that right now w/ 1 mask and report back

[flat river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807809192537882647/1314343015258656829/togif-1.gif

[eternal sundial]

Identity theft

[eternal sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/rigbycat-rigby-cat-shadow6736-iamrigbycat-funny-gif-2985618463653699699

[flat river]

we here are proud fury warriors

we only play fury

[mystic hill]

id swap my irl name if possible

[eternal sundial]

L

[mystic hill]

i fucking hate horses

[eternal sundial]

Yo gang

Fuck horses

[flat river]

u L

[eternal sundial]

(lilia League of Legends 🤤)

[undone flower]

Did you know udk plays with a pet, Saddk didn’t know until the last boss of workshop

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/susge-stare-pepe-sus-gif-6983445641596872640

[eternal sundial]

Brb

[mystic hill]

BASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASED

[slim coral]

Ain’t no way

[south kayak]

HOW?

that's insane to me, that you didn't know that

[undone flower]

dam’ why i can’t dark transformation for 15 min

[south kayak]

did you think you were transforming your character

[undone flower]

Going dark

[undone flower]

I know they do, I just forgot to summon it when I was finally playing udk

[slim coral]

It’s ok I did not know runefoeging was actually important for dk the first tier I played it during fated

I thought runefoeging was a classic thing lmao

[south kayak]

lol

fallen crusader enchant is insane

[slim coral]

Tbf the game doesn’t really point out how important it is

Or that it’s still relevant

[undone flower]

I was bdk for first 4 bosses, I forgot to change rune weapon bc it’s not the same for raid, -8% dps loss

[slim coral]

W

[heavy sparrow]

Fury would definitely be excellent in m+, if the majority of the aoe was not hard capped, even a soft cap at 5 would make it quite good

[slim coral]

Nah 5 target caps need to go

Unless the spec is doing like double the damage of other classes at that cap

[heavy sparrow]

I advocate for every 5 cap spec to be at least 8

And i mean soft cap, hard caps should just not exist

[undone flower]

I advocate for fury nerfs

I see myself on the details of gally and sometime first, it needs to stop

[ember apex]

WTF bro this strat just yielded 2 of them

wth?

theres literally a lower drop rate for 4 mask vs 1 mask

[sullen tendon]

Runeforging isn’t that important really. It should honestly just be baked into the class at this point. Frost uses crusader and gargoyle over razor ice because razor ice stacks apply from howl and killing machine and they just want to stack str, unholy uses crusader, and blood uses either crusader or sanguine. They more or less have no impact on the gameplay of the class anymore and are just something you have to enchant for every new weapon purely for stat increases.

[slim coral]

Actually frost uses razor ice in raid

Oblit build too strong

[sullen tendon]

Still it could just be baked into the class

[south kayak]

Only Breath builds use Gargoyle

[sullen tendon]

Or allow dks to just runeforge without having to teleport to archerus every time

[south kayak]

The other one uses razorice

also fuck breath

[sullen tendon]

Theres still no point in having it be an enchant still if there’s ways to apply it through talents already. Just up the stacks on the talents.

[slim coral]

Yeah it should be like rogue poisons

[sullen tendon]

Just one of those things that is left over from previous expacs

[sullen tendon]

Rogue poisons are a different story cause they actually affect combat in different ways. Runeforging just increases stats or makes your death strike hit slightly harder.

[south kayak]

what if you summon a small runeforge infront of you

instead of having to go to acherus

[sullen tendon]

If they made razor ice stacks do anything other than increase frost damage it would be justified

But it’s literally just a talent that is stuck on an enchant at this point

Same for the others

[iron portal]

Easy fix

Just cut off your power cable

[karmic fiber]

Do you guys do gaul duty at mugzee mythic?

[undone flower]

I do second and third yes

I was originally on the first too, but not anymore

[south kayak]

Classic mage players

[undone flower]

Classic Reddit post*

[karmic fiber]

I was curious since im on all gauls but cds line up somewhat bad, not that it matters at this point really

[undone flower]

Which one ?

[earnest canyon]

no 3 dps class should ever have all specs shite though surely? cos i cant just tank or heal

[undone flower]

Bc second, you don’t have cds, and third I just send on the gaol dude (I was on front right)

[karmic fiber]

First one you get reck up when you are going in, 2nd one you get avatar in a clunky spot since we bl around half way in gauls too

[undone flower]

But second, raid hold dps

You should not send your CDs in a dps pause

I can’t help if you BL while ppl are in gaols, that’s criminal

[karmic fiber]

We bl around halfway of it id say, to skip frostshatter i guess

[undone flower]

You can CD the add then

Bc the point of not killing it early is to not be targeted by frost boots

[karmic fiber]

Yeah thats what i do but it feels like a waste, since there are other classes without 1.5mins that can line their cds better

[undone flower]

Your raid doesn’t care about wasting boss damage

They BL while ppl are in gaols

Idk when I killed him we stopped dps until the finger gun, so I was sitting def stance since 45-47% boss hp

[small dome]

your comments just show you dont play DK very well

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-tea-sipping-gif-24277205

[warm crag]

mage has been bad enough to only bring to buff the raid no

[flat river]

[thick fossil]

Nah, there is always a flavor of it that has something to handle/trivialize an encounter.

[flat river]

everyone unanimously hates mage

i like that

[flat river]

except blizz ofc

[thick fossil]

Except blizzard and mage mains.

[flat river]

real

[thick fossil]

And I'm not 100% sure on mage mains. They could self hate.

[random raptor]

Does fury or arms have better prio damage?

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[summer quail]

Fury

[strange gulch]

There is no difference if you do it with masks or without masks. Just do two "more black" zones and you get it after killing Thrall.

[fading sky]

Arms for 2 targets in raid id say, 3+ fury esp like. Rik and such bosses

[rain thicket]

@remote bobcat but why would we press RB at all? isnt it only good when we fight enemy solo? BT even becomes stronger with 35% <

[tepid cedar]

anyone knows what this maint and small update actually did?

[modest torrent]

trading post

[weak moon]

Hey hope some one can help me.
I play fury when i run around the world farm shit and sometimes some m+ but not alot
and prot in delves 11 just to do it faster 😄
What trinkkes or rings should i take from PUZZLING CARTEL CHIP

[smoky vale]

what do you have

also you could sim what gives the biggest gains

[weak moon]

i have 2x craftet 681 2hand so dont need the wep

[sour niche]

guy in mountain thane fury when we put two points in DE vs 1in DE 1inUF ?

[weak moon]

its says "The Jastor Diamond" but that not good for solo what i can read about ?

[modest torrent]

Any details pro here who could give me a quick tip on how to avoid having to check those 2 boxes every 5 minutes?

[sullen tendon]

Literally all runeforges do is increase damage by a % increase, str, and empower death strike. They could all be turned into talents or flat out passives and replaced with actually impactful utility like rogues have. Rogue poisons have other uses besides just damage like slowing and decreasing healing and reducing attack speed and stuff like that that affects the enemies. Runeforges literally do nothing other than increase stats and damage of the dk which could just be baked into the class itself rather than an enchant that is mandatory every time you get a new weapon.

[sour niche]

basically when to 2 points in [Deft Experience] or 1 and 1 point in [Unbridled Ferocity]

[fiery edge]

ugh, which ever sims higher

[remote bobcat]

RB makes BT stronger and rampage stronger, it's more valuable than getting tblast/reap at 5 targets

at least its more valuable than the chance for it

[whole yacht]

Is there a vendor somewhere i can get like 630-640 gear from?

[fiery edge]

even in cds?

[remote bobcat]

yes

at 5 or less targets

[fiery edge]

ah

[remote bobcat]

BT is prio'd over RB at 6+ targets

or in VC range

or above 80% crit chance

[fiery edge]

delve vendor or vision?

[remote bobcat]

nightfall event i guess (?)

[whole yacht]

I haven't been paying attention to wow. What is nightfall event

[remote bobcat]

in hallowfall, left side

starts on the hour every hour

u get an item that lets u buy exactly 1 piece of champ gear

[whole yacht]

Oh that.

[remote bobcat]

636

[summer quail]

ye but no one really talks about prio damage for raid

[smoky vale]

prio damage when doing tank damage lol

[fresh mango]

in the M+ tp room

[winter shoal]

Mutou is OAB a slurry or thane angle

Reverb bug doesn't apply with only 2 targets for reel assistants so I feel like it's a slurry angle

[summer quail]

i mean it does. you can hit them and the boss

just stand in between

[fickle cedar]

yeah blast has a huge range

[winter shoal]

Hmm big if true

Does the ww cleave still hit the assistant tho

If you're like halfway between two assistants cleaving off boss, are you hitting the far assistant with cleave?

[whole yacht]

bless you sir. i have geared my druid in 3 minutes

[summer quail]

no

[winter shoal]

Seems like bait then

[fresh mango]

was totally unaware about this until this week

[whole yacht]

i havent gone in that room since week 2 of the season lol

no reason to. i dont want to lower my key, and i dont need the portals

so i didnt know there was even another npc other than key lady

[quiet breach]

anyone have any tips for trialing and the guild you are trailing has bosses on farm that your previous guild hasn't even got to yet?

how do I perform well on bosses I haven't done yet basically

ofc I am gonna watch videos beforehand

[clever belfry]

ask for vods of their farm kills

[quiet breach]

big suggestion, thanks

that would actually be huge

[remote bobcat]

ur not supposed to perform well, ur supposed to adapt quickly.

they wont expect u to be giga on a boss they have 100 more pulls on

than u do

[winter shoal]

Yeah not dying and being in good spots to not cause other people to die are probably priority #1

[smoky vale]

ask questions and take accountability

[winter shoal]

As long as your damage isn't in the literal bin

[remote bobcat]

being well prepared is a big plus

[winter shoal]

Watch critcakes vods and set your personal reminders to have cd timings and stuff

Also yeah if you can get vods of their kills, set reminders for movement etc

[smoky vale]

i watched liquid gally guide got nothing, watched critcake found out boss is just bait frontals and move with melee

[quiet breach]

ok I messaged the guy he said they aren't reclearing anymore.

can I still get CE if I haven't killed sprocket or Stix and I start on OAB?

[smoky vale]

[oblique trail]

CE is just killing the last boss

[smoky vale]

why wouldnt you reclear lol

[remote bobcat]

a CE guild not reclearing anymore is crazy, thats basically a death sentence for that guild no?

[smoky vale]

bosses just die

[stark ginkgo]

guild probably exploded

[oblique trail]

If they're still progging, and if they're a 2 day guild, then they just value prog time over everything

[remote bobcat]

on our very first reclear we killed every boss except sprocket

[quiet breach]

its a 2 day guild

[oblique trail]

And at this point, regardless of your prog boss, you will kill bosses and gear not be the issue

[remote bobcat]

with 4 trials

like its so free

[oblique trail]

You have infinite damage from the raid buff, on top of the increased ilvl from the turbo boost, before even accounting for raid nerfs

[gleaming siren]

There's literally no point in reclearing

For prog

And it was objectively correct for most guilds to extend after Lockenstock

[winter shoal]

Think it's mostly for sales/trials atp no?

[remote bobcat]

reclear for trialing

[winter shoal]

No reclear = no trials = probably dead roster next tier

[oblique trail]

Some guilds prefer trialing people on prog bosses

[stark ginkgo]

^

[quiet breach]

the guild was 6/8 last tier, they are pushing for CE this tier

[remote bobcat]

big big risk

[oblique trail]

And it's a risk that for some guilds work

[gleaming siren]

[oblique trail]

I don't really see the issue in doing so

We've many times had trials in for difficult bosses

[quiet breach]

what's risky about that (not questioning you genuinely curious)

[iron portal]

I knew somebody would post it the moment i saw fury warrior there

[quiet breach]

that they suck and hold the raid back?

[oblique trail]

See how they perform in a prog environment, and not just reclearing when the rest of the raid knows exactly what to do

[remote bobcat]

if you trial someone who's genuinely shit, you have to sit them eventually

so you end up being back to square one

[gleaming siren]

Happens

[remote bobcat]

and worst case - u have roster issues

u might not even make 20man rosters

[gleaming siren]

If you spend half your raid time reclearing you're not gonna get CE anyway

[grand condor]

We had a trial on his first day in our our CE kill last night lmao

[winter shoal]

Schmidi when is my trial with NS

[oblique trail]

That's a crazy jump

[winter shoal]

I'm coming for your raid spot bud

[gleaming siren]

Idk go apply I'm washed

[oblique trail]

One person being replaced does not bring you back to square one of a fight

[gleaming siren]

I tanked a red circle on Gally and died to greed uptime

Was about to crash out at myself

[remote bobcat]

goat

[winter shoal]

I'm 4/8m rn and don't have an EU character so I should have a good shot I think

[fiery edge]

huge, time to smash a TV

[winter shoal]

Also I can only raid M/T/W hope that's okay

[gleaming siren]

On the flipside I lived being melee'd twice by Mugzee in a pull

Funny spec

[winter shoal]

What da tanks doin?

[gleaming siren]

Well one of them the bear got knocked into a second bomb while Pally was bubbled

One was just intermission boog

Love intermission boog

[smoky vale]

apply to btc

[winter shoal]

No

[smoky vale]

why does mugzee melee you randomly during the charges

[gleaming siren]

Because boss is bad

[smoky vale]

[gleaming siren]

It just melees someone after third charge

[oblique trail]

Bosses have sometimes done this in the past as well

Pretty sure Sylv had something like this happen?

[frosty scroll]

do we use odyns fury nowadays for m+ or still no

[gaunt loom]

DONE

[oblique trail]

Maybe something along the lines of repositioning from an ability, into just prioritising the nearest target and not the highest threat

[gleaming siren]

Gg

[remote bobcat]

gz gz

[gaunt loom]

ty

[gleaming siren]

I'm just a stupid little warrior trying to stay afloat

[remote bobcat]

cant parse mugzee cuz my guild is holding 20sec because we dont wanna push early as that wouldnt allow our disci to ramp for last mines apparently

[gleaming siren]

Low IQ

[remote bobcat]

i got a blue mugzee parse

[smoky vale]

jus thave someone else cover?

[winter shoal]

If you want, you gain ~1% aoe for the cost of ~1% single target

[remote bobcat]

believe me i've argued as much as possible but my rlead said he wont budge until 2-3 reclears

[smoky vale]

lol

[gleaming siren]

I mean

Yea

Why be idiot

To parse

It's so bad

There isn't a single Migzee strat that doesn't require holding EXCEPT

[remote bobcat]

BL on pull

[gleaming siren]

You let the Goons in cages cast for a bit 🙂

[gleaming siren]

Doesn't help

[remote bobcat]

BL on pull

[gleaming siren]

Sorry

[remote bobcat]

skip 2nd goons

it does

[gleaming siren]

We already do this

With 4 healers

We still have to hold

We're too fast

Imagine we had 3 healers

[remote bobcat]

hold for what

[gleaming siren]

Paladin bubble

🤷‍♂️

[remote bobcat]

[gleaming siren]

We would legit push at 80% energy

Legitimately the best way to not hold on Mugzee

Is letting goons cast

xdd

[remote bobcat]

im not convinced we cant just insta phase mugzee 3x to skipp all mechanics

for the sake of pushing

[gleaming siren]

I mean

If you 4 heal lust pull

You can kinda do that

But for what

[remote bobcat]

you can just 3heal non lust

[smoky vale]

hi what if you 2 heal

:3

[gleaming siren]

Then you can't swap so often

[remote bobcat]

Fair.

[remote bobcat]

suicide

[gleaming siren]

Honestly 2 heal speed strat might happen

[remote bobcat]

2heal is possible

[smoky vale]

2 heal in buyer

[remote bobcat]

but everyone needs to use potions/hs actively

[gleaming siren]

Of course no buyer

[remote bobcat]

for heal absorbs

[smoky vale]

idk

18% healing

lol

these bosses are just turbo dying

[remote bobcat]

18% healing wont make up for a missing healer