fury

[remote bobcat]

@sudden tusk play loboz

[fiery edge]

shit im scared of testing slayer in rookery

[remote bobcat]

? just do it

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-gif-25783770

[remote bobcat]

all that typing just to post a GIF

[fiery edge]

hate the 2nd boss, hate dem mobs with blackholes

[remote bobcat]

they cant kill you if you burst them down with slayer loboz build YEPPERS I LOVE REEEAP

[fiery edge]

i ran kitty modified loboz build

[remote bobcat]

me as tank

anyway

[fiery edge]

shit tank dh just joined

[sudden tusk]

i was gonna type:
1 From full clearing
1 as a pickup in stormwind with 1 mask
4 from doing a full clear with 1 mask on
1 from nemesis shards hogger gammon
1 from killing every single enemy in a visions visit

for all 8

[remote bobcat]

hogger gamon

[sudden tusk]

i forgot i typed the full clear one already

oopsie

[compact knot]

this is just false btw

i think

[remote bobcat]

loboz build doesnt have RB resets

so u end up pressing whirlwind a lot

[compact knot]

i dont even think its a loss in prio damage

i think the only downside is you just dont have cds every pull

[remote bobcat]

loboz build doesnt run RA

[compact knot]

yeah ik

AM is worse ST i think

i end most boss fights 2.3 - 2.5 usually

[fading sky]

Am is same st

Or we would ra in raid

[remote bobcat]

prayers

[compact knot]

i might try it on vexie after this tft game

[fading sky]

Maaybe ra could work y

[compact knot]

bro

loboz build has to be fucking stupidly broken on vexie (with RA)

HELLO??

nah i have to go test it

[fiery edge]

mage died then left

what a run

[maiden valley]

how is raging blow higher prio than bloodthirst for thane?? bloodthirst gives you thunderblasts??

[remote bobcat]

raging blow buffs BT and Rampage, thats why its better at 5 or less targets

[fading sky]

Rb gives u bigger bt

[remote bobcat]

and the prio swaps over to BT as soon as you have VC targets anyway

[fading sky]

And u send bt with enough crit

Over rb as well

[remote bobcat]

yeop

[maiden valley]

ok so 6 or more bt is higher prio. wowhead guide doesn't mention that

[fading sky]

Tbh in aoe i just prio bt over rb

[maiden valley]

yea i mean that'd make sense you get more thunderblasts

[fading sky]

Loss is miniscule cba to count mobs

[remote bobcat]

indeed

[fading sky]

But rb is better by a small margin if pull is 5 or lesd

Thing is most pulls are bigger

[maiden valley]

gotcha. ty gentlemen

[fading sky]

And once theres 5 left ften they in vc range

Fury is fun in keys, set details 2 interrupts flip over after key is donw

[compact knot]

lets see how loboz performs on vexie

[jolly parrot]

im fullsending loboz build in 16 workshop fuck it

[remote bobcat]

link that shii after

[compact knot]

first group had no dps and we didnt even lust intermission

badass

oh man that group was really bad lol

6 people in a 30 man raid above 2m dps

cant get to execute fast enough

i need like 2 conditions for it to be good, if those 2 conditions are filled i think its a easy rank 1 lmao

[remote bobcat]

did u end up getting smth

@compact knot

[jolly parrot]

men i want a corruption that goes boom

not this sissy ritua lshit

[nimble delta]

when did we lose our condemn animation on execute? havent played since DF s2 ?

[remote bobcat]

??

execute doesnt have condemn animation because its not condemn

or wdym

[nimble delta]

my Execute doesnt have the condemn animation anymore but i had it during DF s1 and s2 ?

it did have it one of our talents gave us the condemn animation

i think massacre did

[last nacelle]

condemn animation doesn't move on San'layn DK ?

the animation on their new spell remind me exact same animation

[nimble delta]

no san'layn still has the condemn animation on vamp strike

[last nacelle]

i don't remind the name of the spell but yeah it is this spell

he got the condemn animation

[nimble delta]

sooo ass that blizzard would just remove the condemn animation for no reason from execute

[last nacelle]

bring back condemn as talent haha

(with slayer it doesn't make any sense but will be fun)

[nimble delta]

i just started playing fury again been playing unholy this xpac and i noticed that execute doesnt have the animation anymore

sooo ass from them to remove it

[nimble delta]

please do i hope they do

[last nacelle]

yeah !, replace Spear and bring back condemn

or fae

[nimble delta]

lmfao spear.........

[last nacelle]

personnaly i hate this spell 😦

really haha

[nimble delta]

we are still target capped, no condemn animation, and we still have spear for somereason, we clearly matter in blizz eyes

[nimble delta]

me too! boring ass ability that doesnt feel like it belongs

[last nacelle]

yeah :x

[remote bobcat]

i mean we dont use spear

so its ok

[nimble delta]

i mean i think having a useless ability like spear which is generally not liked since SL is a big problem that blizzard just brushes to the side instead of replacing it and giving us an actual usable one

neither slayer nor MT builds really use it

[fallen rune]

i miss banner im ngl

[nimble delta]

only good use of spear is pvp to lock someone down and burst him

man i just want legion remix to come out quick so i can play legion fury again

[fallen rune]

if its like mists remix its just legion with current class design

[remote bobcat]

both spear and onslaught are shit talents that no PvE player likes to use gameplay wise, but both buttons exist because they are either useful in pvp or they are thematic options in casual play and roleplay

so that warrants them keeping it

[tall rampart]

Damn, I miss the cool S1 Necrotic Wake meat hook chain trinket. Should make that a default ability for warrs

[nimble delta]

i would be inclined to agree with you if the abilities actually get usage but they dont and even in PVP spear isnt essiential nor crucial so keeping it just dont make sense no matter how it is spun

just my opinion

[remote bobcat]

yea thats fair

Does anyone know if Archi gave an ETA on the spec review wowhead posts? I dont wanna bother him by asking him directly since hes probably working on it

[hardy bluff]

wowhead isnt posting them when they are done they are spacing them out

they are just using them to fill empty spots

[latent leaf]

hello im 650 ilvl, im wondering what to pick with cartel chips, it should be jastor over anything right ? but in my sims jastor is -1% with circlet and house of cards is simming way higher

[hollow bramble]

hey guys which is priority mythic BIS weap or house of cards

[fading sky]

I mean spear nowadays aints bad

We dont even have to stay in a circle

[tight roost]

i'd be inclined to trust sims, but are you using droptimizer?

[remote bobcat]

you are more likely to get the house of cards trinket by simply playing the raid

[remote bobcat]

both are very coveted, I'd sim it if i was you

Best-in-slots is probably better for you

but sim it to be sure

[trail bane]

Is it just me or is the Orgrimmar vision way worse than the Stormwind vision for melee?

Cant remember it being like this in bfa

Might be the multitudes mask, but it feels like i get stunned on almost every pack in the lost areas

[remote bobcat]

i find it to be incredibly chill and easy

[lethal gate]

Idk. I closed it with 8 mask

I think storm wind is harder

With slow etc

[vivid moat]

akir section is so ass, wiped several times in 8 mask attempts there

[plush zephyr]

Soon, said it would be one of the last

[remote bobcat]

that much is clear, i was just wondering if there was an ETA

[heavy galleon]

Blizzard just don't care of war class design

Even the buff this week feel so useless

ofc it's better than nothing but... I lost my hope

[sly crane]

Warriors will pay for their sins of being op in vanilla

[chilly fractal]

Blizzard did that when they gave Arms the raid buff

[toxic plank]

i didnt noticed buff that was hapening yesterday or its just ilvl? 668

[obtuse glen]

That buff won't change much for fury. It's like a drop of water in the desert

[remote bobcat]

the buff wasnt very big and 668 is very low ilvl for todays standards

[smoky vale]

too many factors to know

[toxic plank]

nah just start gearing it but seeing how muchj rest of specs smoke me in same ilvls is just sad they really kileld fury with that 5 nerfs in row in s1

[mighty wharf]

Its sad because fury rotation is SUPER funy imo hope that will be competitive again soon

[remote bobcat]

those nerfs have essentially been reverted.

#fury message

click on this @toxic plank

[toxic plank]

so slayer better then thane in curent state?

[sullen tendon]

They need to fix our niche. We’re supposed to be the 5 target king but even on 5 target pulls we get destroyed by other classes half the time.

[remote bobcat]

no.

but slayer is closer to thane now than it was

Ok

[toxic plank]

this is my curent setup to that meter tho thinking getting rid of signet for house since it line up better to cds

[remote bobcat]

eeeew priory trinket

[sullen tendon]

They reverted the numbers of bs and of but they didn’t revert the changes of target count or tormented kings back. Also slayer strikes and some other slayer talents were nerfed before but not sure if they were reverted

[toxic plank]

so idk what to buy with that 3 dinars from beginign if myth pacemaker or house or jastor

hc jastor and hc house

[remote bobcat]

those changes had essentially no effect on our m+ success

[sullen tendon]

????

[smoky vale]

gm

[remote bobcat]

why arent u using cyrces circlet

[sullen tendon]

Of activating on avatar and of hitting 8 targets instead of 5 didn’t affect our m+??

[remote bobcat]

Thats titans torment

[toxic plank]

is it better? and what gems

[remote bobcat]

not tormented kings

or anything of that sort

[smoky vale]

sim yourself bud

[remote bobcat]

hola

[sullen tendon]

Whichever used to activate of

One of the capstone in class tree

[smoky vale]

if you do not know how to sim yourself

please ask

🙂

[remote bobcat]

I guarantee you, without even having to look at a sim, using a cyrces circlet with stormbringer, windsinger and fathomdweller outperforms in every single scenario

[stoic loom]

The perpetually unhelpful "sim yourself" when you know perfectly well cyrces is a massive upgrade for him

[remote bobcat]

over ur shitty 658 rings

[smoky vale]

well yeah to show him how big it is

[stoic loom]

And with the same gems everyone else uses

[smoky vale]

and then he can apply it to other times he has to check gear

wow

[remote bobcat]

why are you letting someone you dont know ragebait you

[smoky vale]

[remote bobcat]

gio

when talking to me, did you ever consider the fact that i have a thick accent

[smoky vale]

no

[chilly fractal]

Thicc Cat @remote bobcat

[toxic plank]

but which one of the ring to change the haste master or versa crit?

[remote bobcat]

casein nitrate

[smoky vale]

say jt to him

[remote bobcat]

versa crit

[smoky vale]

or i will explode

[remote bobcat]

or just sim it

[remote bobcat]

jt?

[smoky vale]

it

[chilly fractal]

JT

[remote bobcat]

what ?

what

[smoky vale]

#fury message

[remote bobcat]

ah

real

clueless~1

[chilly fractal]

RIP JT… Stabbed in the back by some ginger dude

[remote bobcat]

I asked my rlead if im allowed to do the mythic gallywix melee tech

big mistake

he said he'll sit me immediately

[smoky vale]

the not going out

[remote bobcat]

yea

[smoky vale]

just do it anyways

ask for a sac

lol

[remote bobcat]

he said he will literally call a wipe and immediately bench me

for reclear

boss

[tepid cedar]

lol, i tried in it heroic for when i startr m ghally. it did not work lolol

[smoky vale]

lol

[remote bobcat]

i think u just trolled it no?

[tepid cedar]

is the hitbox bigger in mythic?

[smoky vale]

i did it 2 times

i lived one time

i lost a crank

[tepid cedar]

nah, i was outside supression, and jsut were i could swing. popped SR and boom dead

lol

[smoky vale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jqLmdzCKv3VnFWkg?fight=38&type=deaths&death=8

[hardy shuttle]

I lived heroic with no reflect or d stance

[remote bobcat]

yea in hc u can legit jsut stand there

[smoky vale]

how much was the overkill

i cant see

[smoky vale]

no i was like 5-10 meters

like 3s of walking

[remote bobcat]

why are u getting hit by supression tho

[smoky vale]

lol

I WAS HITTING THE BOSS

[remote bobcat]

watch ur feet ?

like

KEKWait

[smoky vale]

no

boss was about to die

[remote bobcat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1179738834808881212/1204229772851417088/IMG_1114.gif

[smoky vale]

what was the overkill

i cant see

[smoky vale]

lol

[remote bobcat]

yea

[smoky vale]

sac or dstance

[remote bobcat]

dont get by suppression

[smoky vale]

boss was dead on my screen bro

[remote bobcat]

heroic btw

[chilly fractal]

Gotta get revenge bro

[smoky vale]

if i healthstone or soemthing i love

[remote bobcat]

ok lets talk about the real questions

im aiming D3

[modest nimbus]

E5 😎

[remote bobcat]

oh hell nah

that shit splishy splashy asf

[devout totem]

G14

[remote bobcat]

rip cat

[glad coyote]

c5 or b5 for me

[whole yacht]

C4

Or d2

[dense elbow]

2E, but I struggle to get a depth and form scan

Also, that cat is judging and hard

[remote bobcat]

not anymore since n3r0t said hes pissing on the cat

[dense elbow]

mods

[smoky vale]

its a metaphor for you exploding

[fickle cedar]

G13

[hardy shuttle]

[dense elbow]

hi :3

[smoky vale]

today is not a good day

[dense elbow]

I am sorry to hear that, but don't fear. There are always cat videos on the internet

[smoky vale]

if i see a cat

you will explode

[dense elbow]

K

[iron portal]

You are all in need of help

[cosmic sundial]

Man what’s it like to get to just stand and hit the boss

[remote bobcat]

you are able to do the same

so its like

shrug

[cosmic sundial]

No

I am designated bomb runner

I proved I have more than 2 braincell

[frank dawn]

See there’s your problem

[heavy galleon]

what are spec similar to fury ?

[sonic shoal]

Outlaw rogue

[pure breach]

Frost DK

[robust basin]

There any build changes with the new buffs? Odyns Fury pop up anywhere?

[pure breach]

Still playing with the same talents

[frank dawn]

I think the non-OF builds for both Slayer and Thane are still best, but you can certainly play OF for essentially no loss (or gain) if you want

[cosmic sundial]

If I didn’t start doing the bombs we’d still be progging gally. Mage kept dying during it, they tried the ret pally but somehow doesn’t have a sense of direction and ran into frontal

So here I am leaping the bomb around

[frank dawn]

warrior utility poggers

[merry imp]

Is there any reason I haven’t got a spark in like 3 weeks? I was looting the previous weeks spark in dungeons and raid bosses but I am no longer

[frank dawn]

maybe you're caught up?

if you're at the current cap they'll stop dropping, and you can only get the current week spark by doing the associated world content quest

[plush zephyr]

There’s also a way to check in game but idr how

[coarse nest]

It’s a slight ST loss for an equal AoE gain to play with OF

Basically pick your poison

[modest torrent]

Is that a fair simplification to say that Fury rotation, aside from offensive cds usage, is basically trying to cast as many rampage as possible, while using Thunder Blast before it cap at 2, and filling with Raging Blow while pressing Bloodthirst only when > 85 crit (or 35 during VC) ?

[gilded pawn]

thats the gist

[winter shoal]

That's pretty much exactly correct for thane, for slayer there's a little bit of extra nuance with when to use execute, but there are weakauras that will handle that logic for you

So you basically just replace "press thunder blast" with "press exe when the weakaura says to"

[hardy shuttle]

Id say sending bt on cooldown is good now as thane in aoe. Fishing for more blast procs has been feeling really good

[winter shoal]

RB is still above BT on up to 5 targets as thane, although the difference on 2+ targets is small enough that it's generally easier to just BT > RB in any aoe situation

[modest condor]

bt overtakes at 4 targets now

[hardy shuttle]

Yeah up to 5 I haven't changed much. Just like in the first pull of FG and CB I've been hard prioing BT and I feel like my damage has gone way up

[winter shoal]

I thought you said 5 the other day Madge

Doesn't matter bc I do it on 2

[smoky vale]

what about vampiric strike

[modest condor]

that was before the bug was added to sims

krispy checked after and it was better at 4

[winter shoal]

The fact you keep vamp striking whether you have wounds on the target or not makes me so sad

What a dogshit design for a spec

[smoky vale]

if there is at lwast one wound

you vs

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[winter shoal]

Taeznak disagrees

[smoky vale]

i mean aoe

[winter shoal]

cluegi

[smoky vale]

its not there

[winter shoal]

I mean obv scythe but the VS condition doesn't actually check for wounds

[smoky vale]

oretty sure its simplified on wowhead vs apl

[winter shoal]

I would refer to the APL but arma and taeznak are too big brain for me and I can't decipher this shit

[smoky vale]

and do +6 targets

[winter shoal]

Only thing that changes is epidemic vs dc

[stark ginkgo]

of still shit?

[winter shoal]

It's fine

Gain a little bit of aoe, lose a little bit of ST

Not going to make a huge difference

[stark ginkgo]

What's the build?

[smoky vale]

at like 18t with 0 wounds you epidemic again

something like that

its just basically press vs

but there is a number

[winter shoal]

Drop VC for OF #updates-midnight message

idk I let hekili take the wheel on dk

cba learning another class

brain off just do dam

[fading sky]

Man dk free

[smoky vale]

bro you do t need hekili

like

whya is there to learn

[fading sky]

Coil +vamp in cds

[smoky vale]

press red and sd

like

[fading sky]

Keep file up

[smoky vale]

class plays itself

[fading sky]

Yeah

[winter shoal]

Don't need it but why not use it?

Not like I'm trying to minmax or anything

Just messing around in low keys

[fading sky]

Like m+ just

[smoky vale]

addon memory

fps loss

[winter shoal]

Some of us play the game on real computers and not ti-84 calculators

[fading sky]

Ive never actually used. I just look website

[smoky vale]

yeah my pc wants to die

[fading sky]

Play a key

Look website

Play better

But brains dont work equally

[winter shoal]

I mean I absolutely could learn dk, I learned frost last season just to make a point about the process of learning a new class

Just cba

[fading sky]

Hekilii just fries my brain

But as said ppl are different

[winter shoal]

tbh hekili isn't too different from how my UI is set up for warrior anyways

I basically have the APL built into glow conditions

[atomic sphinx]

Off topic: Ik SMF isn’t meta, but any fury warriors have a smf build? Not pushing keys or raiding, just trying to get into delves, thought it could be a challenge

[smoky vale]

pick a talent you dont like

put it into smf

[wispy bridge]

Can I leap over the electrified dividers in the last 2 phases of mythic Gallywix?

[tight idol]

Anyone know what weak aura/ addon that is? The boss timers?

[winter shoal]

https://wago.io/RaidAbilityTimeline

[nimble sphinx]

Boss ability timeline

[tight idol]

Good looks twin

[plush zephyr]

Same. I like it for a bit but once I understand what I’m doing I get infuriated with it and trash it. Very “I KNOW WHAT IM DOING MOOOM GAWD” energy.

[quiet breach]

bro ong the unholy dk wowhead guide makes it look like the most 5head calculus spec of all time

[final birch]

Not really

Tells you to use cds and then spam 2 buttons unless you proc scythe

[final birch]

16t

[cosmic sundial]

instructions unclear, got ghoul stuck in ceiling fan

[smoky vale]

close enough myrtu

myrtu are you doing 21s yet

or

[final birch]

Uh

We had a 21 ml last week but didnt get to play it

Im tiny bit scared of 3rd boss but should be fine if they do it on tr with lower ilv

[smoky vale]

are you tanking

or uh

[final birch]

kind of tanking

friends r missing a tank so im stepping in

on my dk ive been to a 20 max and havent timed above 19

[thick fossil]

The spinning beam, haven't tried. On the ground moving electricity, yes.

[fiery edge]

TB feels quite nice with the bug, until blizz does sth

[sullen tendon]

How long are they going to hold back the arms and fury mid expat retrospective

Are they afraid of the backlash

[modest torrent]

they should do like the beast mastery one: "i'm not payed enough to write novel so here you are" (tbh it's the only one i've read entirely)

[winter shoal]

P sure Archi is just busy

It's not that deep, the wowhead writers are just people and sometimes they have other stuff they need to work on

[sullen tendon]

Archi said he had no idea when it was coming out. Thought that meant he wasn’t writing it

[winter shoal]

Idk who else would be writing it, p sure the rest of them have been written by their respective spec guide authors

But also it'll come out when it comes out /shrug

[sullen tendon]

Doesn’t nomer write warrior articles too? Or is he only arms?

[winter shoal]

He writes the prot stuff

[frank dawn]

They use the retrospectives to fill the gaps on slow content days xd

[young swan]

hes only prot, archi does both dps specs

[fading sky]

Ngl i also think it looks super complicated until u start reading

[heavy folio]

would you play OF after recent buffs on M gally?

[fading sky]

If it aint archie imma rebell

[gilded pawn]

Archi works for wowhead

Some of the other writers do it as a side gig

[thick fossil]

You can, but considering how many other classes are competing for the pad damage may make it more useful with normal build.

[languid marsh]

its a paid weakaura specifically, the free one does have amplifier spawns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIM36xo3ud4

[remote bobcat]

thats not what that is mate

timelinereminders is a personal reminder addon where you can get manually added timers onto your screen

for e.g. cooldown usage

or movements

or similar

that is not what's show in the screenshot

[winter shoal]

I think MRT also has personal reminders built in now

[coarse nest]

Yes it does

[remote bobcat]

yea but mrt timers are awful to use

way too finnicky

[languid marsh]

thats what people in critcakes discord told me when i had the same question

cause i was looking for one that had the barrel spawns listed on rik

[remote bobcat]

uhm..bigwigs ?

dbm ?

[languid marsh]

i tried both and they dont have it?

the weakaura doesnt even work unless you have one of those 2

[remote bobcat]

yea thats the entire point

[languid marsh]

???

and they dont have the barrel spawns included in the timers

unlike the screenshot

unless they added it within the past 2 weeks

[sinful spoke]

the weakaura uses the addon

[remote bobcat]

My guy ive been using bigwigs since day 1 of this season

[sinful spoke]

the game doesnt have that

[remote bobcat]

it absolutely has barrels

[sinful spoke]

the game doesnt track the boss timers

u need an addon for it

and the addon feeds the timeline weakaura

thaty they listed

[remote bobcat]

its literally right there

[sinful spoke]

this guy is saying the weakaura doesnt work without the adodn so he prob doesnt have ti installed lol

[remote bobcat]

thats not what hes saying

hes saying that hes been looking for timers that include add spawns

because he didnt see the barrel timer in bigwigs/dbm, whether shown through the weakaura or not

so he ended up asking around and he was told to get timelinereminders i suppose

[languid marsh]

wtf was that there day 1? cause a month ago i went into the same page ur on and manually checked for barrels but didnt see it

[remote bobcat]

yea man its kinda the most relevant mechanic on that boss, would be really sad if they didnt

and i remember holding/using cds based on my bigwigs barrel timer

since day 1

so yea its been there

[languid marsh]

crazy

i had no idea dbm was considered the worse weakaura until we started progging on stix

[remote bobcat]

bigwigs has eclipsed dbm all the way back in shadowlands i think

[languid marsh]

thought it was better cause it had more downlads

[remote bobcat]

thats where i noticed people moving over to bigwigs

[languid marsh]

just checked an old recording from late march, this was what dbm had me seeing

yeah im team bigwigs now 100%

[remote bobcat]

i have solid reason to believe dbm has the options but it just has them unchecked

[languid marsh]

i checked earlier and dbm has it now but it should have been there day 1

[buoyant island]

can someone send me the weak aura for using execute on time please

link

[remote bobcat]

check #dps-faq

[forest owl]

is there anyway to check damage to shields on logs for a raid fight?

[buoyant island]

thanks man

[fast mural]

[remote bobcat]

ZAMN

[quiet breach]

my timers only show 8 seconds in advance, I want it to show 20 seconds 😦

I'm gonna have to look thru my DBM settings to see if I can make that happen

[undone talon]

so Odyn fury is good at M+?

[remote bobcat]

its solid

[sinful spoke]

who needs jastor

lol

[fast mural]

still getting jastor next week

[celest sierra]

does odyns fury work well with mountain thane and if so what would we give up for it?

[fiery flame]

does elemental focusing lens has any viability on M gally?

[plush zephyr]

I need this for my Vulpera so I can spin every time 😡

[winter shoal]

IIRC it's pretty deece for single target but doesn't really gain any value in aoe, but other embellishments (namely ascension and duskthread) do gain value in aoe and are pretty similar single target, so there's no real reason not to use them

Obviously caveat of that's all on average, your specific gear might change the relative strength of one embellishment vs another

[fiery flame]

we just started progging on this boss and im barely above 80% health, I was thinking about the wep enchant but I already wasted my sparks, only thing that came to mind was this one

[winter shoal]

You can recraft embellishments without using sparks

I'm like 99% sure

[fiery flame]

i dont have the spark to craft a weapon, thats what I meant, sorry. Yea about the embellishment I know that, but what if someone already tested

i might sim myself

[winter shoal]

Yeah probably a sim angle

But also embellishments are pretty minor at this point

And chances are the adds are getting omega nuked by other specs anyways

[graceful dock]

IT DROPPED

[light copper]

Has anyone looked into the belt that will be introduced in 11.1.7 or is it early yet? Is it worth getting belts from vault atm?

[winter shoal]

You can sim yourself with different duskthread uptimes btw, check your logs to see what your effective uptime is so far from your prog pulls and plug that into raidbots

[winter shoal]

Last I saw the numbers were super wacky so I assume lots more tuning to be done - probably hold off on investing super heavily into a belt for now

[hardy shuttle]

Or just blame the healers for your dps

Ezpz

[fiery flame]

ty

[heavy sparrow]

Slaughtering strikes should probably just be removed

[willow cradle]

It's kinda whack how sometimes you get all the stacks in a row and it feels smooth on one pull and then the next you go dry.

[winter shoal]

?

Slaughtering Strikes happens every time you RB

[willow cradle]

Oh you right, I dunno why I was thinking of the Slayer strike thingy

[winter shoal]

Slayer strike rng is also a little cringe tbf

Usually not too big of a deal tho

[light copper]

oki, thanks :D

[willow cradle]

Yeah, it's just those big lows you get that feel awful but it doesn't happen too often thankfully.

[south kayak]

Alt time

[winter shoal]

For context, by "super wacky" I mean literally 1m dps between best and worst belt powers (at least as of a few weeks ago when it was first added to simc)

[winter shoal]

In many cases you'll hold BS briefly to line up with ava/reck so small differences in cdr tend to even out and you BS at more or less the same time regardless

[frank dawn]

still several weeks for the delve belt release, makes sense tuning is kind of all over the place

[heavy sparrow]

The problem with slaughtering is that it favors rb too much, it makes it difficult to balance execute, bt and rb together, and also, it brings nothing fun to the table

Which is why i think it should just be removed

[frank dawn]

they can nerf Slaughtering a bit while still leaving it as an option for those who prefer the heavy RB playstyle

just currently, there are not really any competing options

[quiet geyser]

Honestly i kinda like the rotation of rb/bt the way it is now, with rb being the main rotation abilitiy which builds up to the big BT used so often

[frank dawn]

even if they did nerf it lol

[quiet geyser]

The bigger issue is just execute being bad

[keen kindle]

Just give fury legion execute

Just without jugg

[frank dawn]

eh, I don't think it becoming a spender would help anything - even if it did damage appropriate for that cost

[keen kindle]

I honestly just think exe dosent fit into fury

Evrey time blizz does something with it it just falls short

[south kayak]

I think SS should be nerfed but it should be buffed from BT/RB and Execute

Execute is 2x stacks

both BT RB 1

[frank dawn]

Id prefer you simply be able to skip the talent point to open up diversity

That means you have to have other actual good talents, which we don't have much of at the moment

but ideally

[quiet geyser]

I think the issue lies in how slayer dominance stacks, and sudden death not being that rewarding on its own. The 3 stack thing is lame, wanting to wait until you have that big 1.

I feel like sudden death, or atleast some slayer talent should make it so when you get a sudden death proc, that execute specifically deals like 50% extra damage or something, so you basically want to use SD procs right away

Proccing SD should feel instantly rewarding lol

[south kayak]

Rather it not be specific to Slayer but hte actual spec

I want Execute to be #1 prio outside of rampage

no matter what

[quiet geyser]

Then build it into the normal sudden death talent and make it more rewarding

[keen kindle]

And i don't think that fits fury

[frank dawn]

Slayer has the easy out there, by just making the crit chance/crit damage bonus apply to all Sudden Death from Show No Mercy

[quiet geyser]

Its just lame not wanting to use SD basically on use

[frank dawn]

but Execute still needs to be baseline better

[keen kindle]

I think fury would be better off without exe

[quiet geyser]

Well that's a hard no

[frank dawn]

fury doesn't exactly have a lot of buttons as is, if execute disappears we have even less. I think there are a whole lot of options to make execute interesting

[quiet geyser]

Fury historically is actually the execute spec. Its only been the last few expansions that its switched to arms

[south kayak]

I think Ashen Jugg should be crit chance and crit damage

[south kayak]

Fury hasn't been the execute spec since legion

lol

9 years ago

[quiet geyser]

Hence why I said last few expansions

But if we're looking at the whole timeline of WoW

Fury has been a big execute spec

Longer than it hasnt

[south kayak]

I don't remember it being the execute spec in MoP either

or WoD

Cata either

so it was just classic/tbc and wotlk

and then legion

[frank dawn]

Execute was just a little stronger than Raging Blow in MoP, but it had the benefit of guaranteeing your Colossus Smash window be smoother/filled with hard hitters

[south kayak]

So if anything fury has been an execute spec way less than it has been otherwise

[south kayak]

I know that you literally skipped 4p in MOP SoO

even though it gave you sudden death lol

it was bad

[frank dawn]

yeah it wasn't strong, just had a small rotational benefit

[south kayak]

Yeah execute needed to eb a lot stronger than RB

but it was only slightly so

[keen kindle]

I mean at this point fury needs a face lift

[south kayak]

especially since it cost a lot more rage than RB

[quiet geyser]

Point of the matter is, fury also has history of being strong execute lol. This idea that arms NEEDS to be strong in execute and fury not is bogus

[south kayak]

I don't think it does, the fundamentals are there

rampage spender

builders

but a lot more exciting stuff should be added

[keen kindle]

Yeah keep the fundamentals

But so much work needs to be done to make it actually exciting

[quiet geyser]

Fury needs better/stronger capstones, and target cap fixing

And it's sitting pretty nice

[keen kindle]

Also plz just rework fury aoe completely

[modest condor]

fury had a stronger execute in shadowlands

[south kayak]

wasn't that from VC

[modest condor]

no

[south kayak]

ok

[quiet geyser]

Venth fury ❤️

[modest condor]

it was because fury's sinful surge was way stronger than arms'

[south kayak]

are you talking about condemn

[south kayak]

Sylvanas

[quiet geyser]

Dont care how good or bad it was

Venth fury was fun as hell

[frank dawn]

Yeah I enjoyed Venthyr Fury

for the little I played that expansion

[remote bobcat]

lets be real, covenants felt like hero talents but way more restrictive

[flat river]

i played nightfae

but i used to play tank back then

so it was good

[quiet geyser]

Essentially ya. Blizz messed up by forcing them into m+ comps

[south kayak]

me when I get a new legendary to help with execute

[flat river]

the idea was good

[south kayak]

last boss of raid can't be executed

[flat river]

xd

[south kayak]

I actually played a lot in that expansion lol

[quiet geyser]

Venth fury on halondrus tho

❤️

[south kayak]

Oh man

Necrolord in Sepulcher

Blizzard devs have it out for fury man

[quiet geyser]

That was xeos's fault

[south kayak]

it wasnt' even gonna be that good

[flat river]

hello box

[south kayak]

hello galastronk

[junior gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8CwiCBM55s&ab_channel=Dratnos

Daddy dratnos throwing us a bone at 4:10

[flat river]

sorry for late response was mid-pull

bandit prison

[frank dawn]

[chilly fractal]

[south kayak]

Sprocket prison

here

[flat river]

gg

[quiet geyser]

Respect for drat just went up 10 points

[junior gale]

Fury gets hard named and all the other hard capped specs go unamed

😎

[south kayak]

I'm glad he specifically named fury and showed that

maybe it helps get to someone at blizzard

[sour tundra]

life as a fury?

[frank dawn]

That Dratnos video is pretty on point across the board

[quiet geyser]

Im sure blizz knows it's an issue.. but drat actually kinda hit the point; if furys gonna be hard capped, it should be absolutely king at what its capped at

Which it isn't lol

[frank dawn]

and never has been******

[south kayak]

The problem is that fury has other aoe soft capped abilities but they're not strong enough to carry being 5 target capped most of the time

it was a bit better in S1 but our damage still went down outside of cds anyway

gotta be 8 capped for WW

or soft

[quiet geyser]

Theres a lot of routes blizz can go. 8 target cap, increasing WW cleave so we're godly in 5 target

[frank dawn]

if our cooldowns are good, and rampage is soft capped while ww buff is active I think there can be a healthy placed reached there

[quiet geyser]

Just uncap everything

[frank dawn]

but if they are going to leave all of our cooldowns as dog shit, they're gonna have to come up with a different answer

[south kayak]

That's a good idea but hwo do you make that work

the rampage being soft capped

I like that one

[frank dawn]

just build it into the spell "while ww buff is active rampage also strikes all nearby targets for X% damage. Reduced beyond 8"

it also lets that tuning knob be different from the capped ww cleave

which I think can be ok on rb/exe/bt to help those abilities stay strong on single target, and I generally like the flow of ww/cleave gameplay

it's just not strong, currently

[south kayak]

I agree

I also think we need to get rid of TR and Spar

Spear

less AoE cds

BS and OF will suffice

[coarse nest]

we’re happy with the current state of all warrior specializations

[south kayak]

[frank dawn]

I don't have any strong attachment to Roar/Spear

[frank dawn]

[south kayak]

I hate them

[frank dawn]

I hate spear lol. I kind of like Roar just because it's a nice AoE spell to line up with Avatar and one of our only options to hit all targets

but they can solve that desire plenty of other ways if Roar goes away /shrug

[coarse nest]

Them buffing whirlwind by 100% for ARMS tells you all you need to know.

[south kayak]

Not really

I think there's a good reason they did it, it was falling way behind, even on 2 targets with FoB

[winter shoal]

something something warbringer aoe

[south kayak]

I'm not saying Arms doesn't need a buff

but fury needs a lot more help

[frank dawn]

that one is a bit of a head scratcher, the obvious argument seems to be they wanted not taking Cleave to be an option I guess. But like...I'm not sure there is any build where whirlwind is even on the same planet as cleave for multi-target stuff lol

[south kayak]

Wouldn't it be close with FoB? at 2 targets exactly

unless im wrong

[frank dawn]

I couldn't tell you, haven't dug into arms sims really

[south kayak]

since you can pick another point instead of cleave

[winter shoal]

Think Fishy simmed it and WW was like 20-25% worse than cleave

in 5t

[south kayak]

yeah but imagine how much worse it was without the buff

[coarse nest]

Oh cool now we can filler with whirlwind instead of slam in the raid build as long as 3? targets are present

👏

[south kayak]

2

[winter shoal]

Only if you spend a talent point on fob 🙂

[frank dawn]

xd

[karmic fiber]

Any "tech" to not go into mugzee when hes charging if you charge at him? Is it while hes moving where you have to charge?

[coarse nest]

Wait for him to stop moving

Then charge

[winter shoal]

Ye charge hitbox detection is super fucky with moving targets, once he's finished moving you should charge to the edge of his hitbox as normal

[karmic fiber]

Might aswell just run at that point 😄

[coarse nest]

Charge is good just let him stop moving before you charge

Just don’t charge into a stun pool

That’s not a fun time

[quiet geyser]

And fury got 4x the amount of buffs lol. Not very good 1s (outside of TC/TB), but again, I'm sure they're aware

[coarse nest]

Don’t worry they’ll fix the bug that makes these “buffs” buffs and then you’ll be right back to where you were

👏

[south kayak]

They got something cooking for us next patch

[hushed gust]

hey, take advantage of that OF buff. it's only a 1% priority damage downgrade, and already have- okay ish priority anyway

[quiet geyser]

I actually wouldn't be surprised if they do. Or just coping

[frank dawn]

lose 1% prio damage for 1% aoe damage

ultra poggers

huge

immense

tremendous

[coarse nest]

Insane!

[hushed gust]

when most pulls in 12+ are doubles and triples, that extra burst in the 45 second beat is more useful than you think.

[south kayak]

honestly OF needs another 60% buff

i'm not joking

[hushed gust]

or just give us the old Titan's Torment

[quiet geyser]

And blizz needs to create adds for raid that dont die in 2 seconds

Problem solved

[frank dawn]

nah that's fair. Like sure OF is usable now lol, but it's still just barely

[south kayak]

please no

that just brings back the issue

[coarse nest]

I actually really liked Ava proccing OF

[south kayak]

I did not

[coarse nest]

But I recognize how it limits options

[south kayak]

I'm not saying it wasnt dopamine fun

but it wasn't really good

[quiet geyser]

I didn't like how it often made you hold ava for some AoE phase in raid

[hushed gust]

Fury is an AoE burst spec with low ST loss. taking away that second OF, IMO, removed some of our identiy.

[frank dawn]

now that we've been without it, it was a reasonably interesting interaction for Ava to use OF - but also honestly 95% of the time you'd just double send it

[quiet geyser]

Ava is better when it's launched on cd

[frank dawn]

There is something to be said that old Titan Torment made you think occasionally about how to use Avatar, but meh

doubling the damage of OF and half of that being off gcd is always going to cause problems

[south kayak]

true

[frank dawn]

obviously the new titan torment is also beans

but ya know

lol

[hushed gust]

well, the old one had a reduced effectiveness, so it wasn't a true double.

it was closer to a 1.6 or something

[south kayak]

To me, it seems like they just had to replace it with something so they just made something quickly

wasn't really thought up well

[frank dawn]

I...don't think that's correct? Am I high, pretty sure the OFs were full power. It was just the reduced Avatar duration

[south kayak]

What do you call this

I think I mean to say Bandaid

it was a bandaid

OFs were full power @frank dawn

reduced effecitiveness was fake news

[hushed gust]

then that's my bad, yeah. bad verbiage on the tooltip i guess

it read like the bonus on either side were reduced

[frank dawn]

yeh the tooltip wasn't super clear

[south kayak]

imagine if it was 50% lol

[thick fossil]

Holy shit, Dratnos actually shitting on Blizzard for the target cap situation.

[south kayak]

Surely they'll do something aobut now

[frank dawn]

Dratnos video was hella on point really

[thick fossil]

He is kinda up their ass most of the time.

[coarse nest]

Dratnos where?

[frank dawn]

but double bonus points for his target cap section

[south kayak]

Im glad he specifically picked fury lol

[thick fossil]

https://youtu.be/h8CwiCBM55s?t=398

[south kayak]

now make it the thumbnail

xdd

put fury icon somewhere in there

along with Whirlwind icon

[remote bobcat]

how the fuck am i supposed to parse on mugzee when im supposed to fucking damage hold for TWENTY SECONDS or some shit cuz mug is at 42% right as prisons are cast

FUUUUUUUUk me man

[south kayak]

skill issue

@frank dawn are you excited for MoP

[remote bobcat]

i got a fucking blue parse

on that shit boss

FacePalm

[junior gale]

tell your guild to do the lust on pull strat

[south kayak]

first kill?

[remote bobcat]

no

[south kayak]

ok

F

[fast mural]

just wait 2 more weeks and we gonna skip those jails

[remote bobcat]

they refused

[junior gale]

then ur not parsing

[remote bobcat]

bro idk man

[junior gale]

best your gonna get is an orange

[frank dawn]

unsure lol. Do I want to play it? Yes. Do I want to pay or level a character in order to do that? No.

[remote bobcat]

pisses me off

its jsut so dumb

[south kayak]

You can level up rn with 50% xp buff

and cata is fairly fast

compared to wotlk

[frank dawn]

[coarse nest]

Ahh yes I’ll have to listen to it during my commute

Ty

[south kayak]

You hate leveling that much?

I tried some classes on the mop beta

especially fury

having shit crit % chance is actually pain lol

can't be enraged

therefore can't proc RB

[frank dawn]

pretty sure you'll play arms early on, because yeah that final fury design was based on high crit lol

[south kayak]

weird shit

you could get 50% crit in SoO

but even then fury wasn't that good

tbh nothing is that good compared to aff lock

that spec is insanely broken

[frank dawn]

I feel like I recall fury being pretty damn strong in SoO, but I could be wrong

[south kayak]

I wonder if they'll do something to nerf aff maybe because it was that egregious

[elfin tinsel]

can som1 recomend a mountain thane build for visions?

[hushed gust]

i hear Feral had a pretty big hayday in MoP too

[south kayak]

Wanna see a log website for a MoP pserver? it's the best one rn and pretty safe

[hushed gust]

take the one on the WoWhead fury page

[frank dawn]

feral was huge in MoP

iirc

[south kayak]

https://tauriprogress.github.io/tauri/raid/Siege of Orgrimmar?class=&difficulty=6&faction=&realm=&role=&tab=0

here's the overall logs for SoO in a private server

[elfin tinsel]

thanks

[south kayak]

Outside of tanks with high vengeance, it's either aff lock or destro lock lol

this is where the fury rework is

[frank dawn]

I really want to believe they have something cooking for us lol

but we've said that since like 10.1

[south kayak]

did you see the link I showed, just wondering

[frank dawn]

yeh I looked a bit, was kinda surprising but not that surprising I guess.

[south kayak]

I am leveling a troll warlock

[mystic hill]

dickhead dead

[south kayak]

gz

[mystic hill]

well, dickheads

[flat river]

they cooking huge nerf

[south kayak]

poggies woggies

[flat river]

gz

[mystic hill]

cringe dps stops

[south kayak]

reminds me of KT in SoD

Why is DPS being stopped for mugzee?

[flat river]

why u ded though

parse gone

[south kayak]

80%+ of the raid is dead lol

[south kayak]

is THAT 1220 tempered pots? lol

[mystic hill]

bought like 2k at the end of last tier for dirt cheap

[mystic hill]

to get proper phase timing for intermission

[flat river]

only t2? pfft

[mystic hill]

im spamming them in keys

aintnoway im using r3s in weekly keys

[flat river]

did i ask if you were

[warm crag]

galastronk what is the last mythic boss you have slain

[south kayak]

i think its sprocket

he's on oab

im on sprocket

[mystic hill]

i was benched oab 😦

[south kayak]

F

[quiet geyser]

Tell your guild to do the other strat

Lust on pull and just full send

[south kayak]

does warrior suck on oab or what

[quiet geyser]

Yes

[warm crag]

on rwf yes

[flat river]

sprocket

[warm crag]

for most guilds it doesnt really matter especially after all the nerfs

[flat river]

we on bandit now

[south kayak]

there's no reason to bench warriors on oab at this point lol

[flat river]

F

[warm crag]

if you got benched for oab your guild thinks you're shit lmao

[south kayak]

he's #2 dps on mugzee kill

idk

[mystic hill]

well, considering im in on gally andf mug i dont think thats the case

[warm crag]

idk man cucking you out of spending your dinars on hoc/bis tells a different story

[south kayak]

yeah idk what kind of weird decision that is, to do that to a warrior that has 2 bis items on that boss lol

[mystic hill]

i dont disagree on the cucking but they benched both warriors and made the ret play dh, idk if thats weird planning by guild or sometihng else

[flat river]

idk man im doing good

[remote bobcat]

did u just not read messages after that one orr

[quiet geyser]

I did not

[south kayak]

what % is that

[flat river]

i dont remember

like 50%

58%

i parsed 99

[south kayak]

not bad

[remote bobcat]

yea ur group is complete ass

so u get to pad

[flat river]

im on boss like 24/7

[remote bobcat]

dont get me wrong, i believe u play well

but

[flat river]

i use ww and cleave when tank pulls boss close to add

[remote bobcat]

ur group is ass

[flat river]

secret to 99/100 parses

[feral ivy]

Idk how yall do that much dmg by the time I can get to it it’s halfway dead lol

[graceful dock]

👀

looks like im making another warrior

[flat river]

wdym

[feral ivy]

by the time i throw my ravanger its halfway dead and i save ravanger for each add phase.. tbh we only had few pulls in before kill so i couldnt time everything perfectly

we got lucky imo of killing OAB

[flat river]

why are u playing ravager

[mystic hill]

still have yet to loot a single house on any character

only got them on alts with dinars

[feral ivy]

both are good slayer/mt

also my tank couldnt keep the boss on add correctly so i would lose dps from switching targets non stop

[graceful dock]

oufff

itll come 🙏

[flat river]

did u play fury or arms

[mystic hill]

since he said slayer/mt id say fury

[flat river]

who the hell plays slayer fury with ravager

[jovial heart]

is there a discount for crafting a 2nd 2 hander

[mystic hill]

well u play mt with rav

[feral ivy]

fury

[flat river]

but its slayer

you always play bladestorm slayer

especially on fury

on arms i understand execute phase

cause also slower bladestorm

[junior gale]

after bladestorm buffs rav slayer arms is dead

[flat river]

but fury is hasted

[mystic hill]

yeah ik, but he talkewd about both mt and slayer

[vocal frigate]

Is war back after buffs guys?

[winter shoal]

Better than it was, still not meta

[low marten]

its one of the specs

you can do anything as any specs

[edgy widget]

you can preplace ravager

pool a blast charge, preplace Ravager, then Blast -> Ava -> Blast for big deeps

[iron portal]

Hey it is Stronkmon

I have seen that name somewhere

[remote bobcat]

@flat river

pinging u just to get the point across

despite u already being mentioned by his reply

@flat river

[iron portal]

Ok dont overdo it now

[unreal bloom]

hey guys , i believe the question has been asked 1 million time but if you want to try odyn's fury what talent do you change to get it ?

[flat river]

bro

u cheated

u had immunity

for 10 seconds

after u reached 1 hp

i basically won

[remote bobcat]

vc

[iron portal]

[unreal bloom]

this one ?

[remote bobcat]

yup

[unreal bloom]

we just take odyn's fury not the talents under ?

and ty :)))))))

[remote bobcat]

i assume it would be something like this

but like

shrug

[unreal bloom]

it's meh ?

[remote bobcat]

the non-OF build is probably better

still

you gain a little aoe but u lose ST

its a tradeoff, there is no clear buff

to use OF

[unreal bloom]

hmmm okay i see

make fury great again 🙏

[remote bobcat]

or sorry, there is no clear *benefit to use OF over not using OF

but yeah

[frank dawn]

OF still bad, but useable if you want

Maybe has a decent place farming 10-12 level keys where the burst can matter a bit more

[bitter palm]

fury lmao

[frank dawn]

[warm crag]

eh of is fine or

[remote bobcat]

odyns fury has the spec's name in its own name so it has to be shit

its just the way of life

[warm crag]

being used to parse gally

holy why is there a public echo log

[mossy fox]

p sure a buyer logged an echo boost

right @celest anchor

[warm crag]

revvez pressing avatar 30 seconds into pull my king

[sullen dove]

forbidden cook

[mossy fox]

maximum dps

i just use on pull i cba

[remote bobcat]

seems like it, buyers name is Darkening, log uploaders name is d4rk0

[sullen dove]

Wrecking throw must be buffed by 20% yesge

surely buffed by avatar

[warm crag]

i dont get why you'd do that (the delayed ava)

[summer quail]

what a legend

[sullen dove]

100 Ilvl

[summer quail]

[mossy fox]

maybe he actually boosted echo

[summer quail]

only 3 people got 100ilvl and he was one of them

[warm crag]

2 people picked OF on gally !!!

[summer quail]

i'm gonna try thane on our prog for a bit. surely not overcooking

[warm crag]

u are overcooking

dont do that

[remote bobcat]

adds dont live long enough for thane

yea

[elfin harbor]

When do i switch to aoe and when to single target with lock trinket? How many enemies for aoe?

[warm crag]

you can swap to aoe mode with 2 or more

aoe mode is not very good tho it kind of just is an ST trinket

[elfin harbor]

ya but in m+

i shozld doe aoe aswell ^^

[remote bobcat]

lockncock isnt a very good m+ trinket

i'd just run ST variant in m+ ngl

for boss dam

are u able to change the mode mid dungeon reliably?

i dont have the trinket, no cluegi

[warm crag]

ye

should still just be worse than farming out a pacemaker

or just buying a hoc with dinar

[remote bobcat]

im boutta buy that myth jastor next week

shits gonna slap

💯

[warm crag]

i will be buying my bis and finally recrafting everything for arms

[remote bobcat]

BIS was my first buy

peepoCute

[warm crag]

i didnt have a jastor at all so getting it at all is just the biggest inc i could get

[remote bobcat]

fair fair

spongie whats ur sim dps

?

[warm crag]

idk havent simmed in a month or so

[edgy oasis]

Yes but too many other trinkets are better in M+

[oblique trail]

5 dps

[smoky vale]

goat

[oblique trail]

spongie only tells lies

[warm crag]

turns out equip highest ilvl gear is good enough most of the time

[smoky vale]

what a surprise

[oblique trail]

he sims on a daily basis to figure out any increase, and when he sees anything that's even just within margin of error he swaps to it

[remote bobcat]

the benefits of a primary stat user

[elfin harbor]

which are the two for m+ i play mainly this

[warm crag]

hoc/funhouse + pacemaker/mechanocore seems most popular

hoc pacemaker is semi farmable and best so shrug