fury

[red berry]

yes

[oblique trail]

yes

[remote bobcat]

damn

[oblique trail]

But you can play a decent amount of it free

[sullen dove]

unfort ye but it has a nuts free trial

[woven valley]

I must ponder the orbs

[oblique trail]

Arguably a lot more than wow

[sullen dove]

literally like hours and hours of gameplay

[remote bobcat]

swordish

[sullen dove]

fym arguably wow takes u to like lvl 20 doesnt it

ff u go to 70

[remote bobcat]

swordish

[sullen dove]

can do 2 whole expansions of story + base game

kronzo

aysccv

[remote bobcat]

you talk like you enjoy watching oreimo

[sullen dove]

oh hell naw

[dense elbow]

We cant even win the "best of the worst"

I am mad

[remote bobcat]

gio is my new fav NA warrior

[dense elbow]

Gala57 is my fav NA/EU warrior

[sullen dove]

galakitty57stack goes hard

[red berry]

but yeah no its a buff for slayer

thunderclap/blast need more then 25%

and if the numbers are gonna stay that low, they need to be 8 targets

[remote bobcat]

im confident that loboz build is better than thane build in keys lower than 15

for overall

[hardy bluff]

what is monk doing in there

[red berry]

i think starting tuesday

iit might be, maybe

[dense elbow]

One day OF will do enough dam that VC just doenst step over it valuewise, or perhaps, SS and the hundred RB talents wont dominate the tree

Who knows

If we ask for our nodes to be worth taking, I see a world where everything is just so much worse than now - that we take them. To be more likely than a world where they make the nodes so good that we would want to grab em, at current tuning.

VC gutted to 10-20%, SS gutted to 1% per stack, so on and on.

Actually, VC down to 5-10%

They should make me a dev, I will make the talent tree so uber boring, that I will get a raise

[remote bobcat]

funky

i appreciate you man

[dense elbow]

And I you, other catman

[remote bobcat]

the cat in my pfp is named casein nitrate

Ok

[red berry]

i think it'd be nice if the capstones for odyn were actually decent enough to consider

making it so the bleed scales with more targets

maybe make it cast whirlwind instead of just giving you the stacks

thats not a BIG damage increase or anything but

[dense elbow]

=_= lets not bind OF power against another ability, yeah?

Yeah.

Lets not.

[red berry]

i mean the capstone already gives whirlwind stacks

[dense elbow]

Yep

[red berry]

it also casting whirlwind wouldn't be anything but a meager buff

[dense elbow]

Then what if they make WW do more dam?

[lavish pecan]

I'm remembering the 11.1 patch notes where they said that they like how fury plays and where it was at and then also made large changes to how fury plays

[dense elbow]

Well, OF value then goes up too

Making OFs value also based on WW value

WW goes down? OF needs then a buff?

No, please no.

OF is OF

not TT

not WW

[red berry]

i cant imagine it ever being that deep

[dense elbow]

OF

[red berry]

i see the logic mind i understand

its just not that big of an ability

[iron portal]

[red berry]

the 10% damage buff it offers is

pathetic, anyway

if it increased how long the dot lasted it would be a different story. that's also another way to buff it

and it makes it gain value in AoE

[dense elbow]

🏃‍♂️‍➡️

They just need to instead of buffing OF baseline over and over, think to themselves. "Hey, OF is kinda strong as a 1pointer, isnt it? What if - we move that 50% buff to OF it needs into TR? Making it a power for point investment?"

That dev then got shot, hung and burnt on a pyre, for saying something that makes sense.

[sour frigate]

[dense elbow]

3.7k yet?

[sour frigate]

Lfg simulator

[dense elbow]

Dont worry, we are rooting for ya, we believe

[sour frigate]

Havent played a single key for progress in past 3 days

Helped mates a bit

And i went totally mental created dh @dense elbow

[remote bobcat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1375663730318119015/big2.gif

this u

[chilly fractal]

I wonder how cheap Mythic clears are gonna get this tier...

[sour frigate]

No

I tanked 3 muscles in brew no issue

[remote bobcat]

muscles are dangerous because they kill the dps and heal, not the tank

<.<

unless super high key

then ouchies

[sour frigate]

They hit tank like a truck either

I was 641 gs in 8th brew

[remote bobcat]

i tanked cinderbrew 10 as a 620 vdh we pulled double muscle, chewie and a bunch of other shit

that shit is chill

as the tank

vdh cant die

but like the other mates fall over

[sour frigate]

Vdh is dog

Pref havoc

[chilly fractal]

you telling me all the vdhs I've played with that die immediately were actually Havoc?

[remote bobcat]

i mean vdh takes a second to set up defenses

has to make a decision, either play defensive or play for threat

[sour frigate]

Ye also can kite easily

[remote bobcat]

most play for threat and fall over

just tell ur idiots to chill 5 sec

and ur fine

esp when low gear

[sour frigate]

I dunno

The demon surge thing

[remote bobcat]

you can also pull from 10 miles away with the hunt

just cancel it with vengeful

and ur set up

[sour frigate]

Real estate for threat

[remote bobcat]

i play aldrachi

not the other one

[sour frigate]

I dont have 4 pc

[remote bobcat]

fair

whats ur vdh's name

Bobbydh?

[sour frigate]

"evilbad"

[remote bobcat]

in russian?

[sour frigate]

Its mostly havoc but had to play vdh to get invited

[sour frigate]

Yes

[remote bobcat]

man

Weirdge

someone needs to teach you how to be more drippy

@dense elbow

teach him the ways

[dense elbow]

nein

[remote bobcat]

doch

do it man

[sour frigate]

Chicken tmog btw

[remote bobcat]

female elf

yep

lemme guess ur warr is an elf too?

[sour frigate]

My war is dracthyr

[remote bobcat]

🤏

this close to an elf

in its visage form

[sour frigate]

Human

[remote bobcat]

at least it has more taste than elf basic bitches

[chrome python]

With Brutal Finisher, do you try to cast Raging Blow before Bladestorm at all? Or after only?

[remote bobcat]

generally we rampage > bladestorm

or rampage > troar > bladestorm

and then RB after

potentially irrelevant idk

[chrome python]

I'm trying to max Slaughtering Strike stacks

[sour frigate]

Its not essential

[remote bobcat]

dont think about slaughterin strikes except for after bladestorm

[chrome python]

Started practicing today and Enrage keeps dropping if I use Raging Blow too much before hand.

[remote bobcat]

for a juicy .4% optimization

[sour frigate]

[chrome python]

That's my question lol, ok so just play normal, hit Bladestorm then spam Raging Blows until they're out or Enrage is about to end.

[sour frigate]

Drop enrage here and there for juicy -5% optimization

[remote bobcat]

just rampage > (troar) > bladestorm > rb

[chrome python]

Cool thanks

[flat river]

human rein supreme

[remote bobcat]

send a screenshot of ur char

[hollow bloom]

That`s literally me in any game

Human reigns supreme

[flat river]

ok sec

[hollow bloom]

Feel like garithos in warcraft 3

[undone flower]

race swap to prove a point

[brazen veldt]

SHould I macro Reck and Rav together for M+? Ive noticed I'm starting to have random desyncs because Im not pressing them right every time. Should I either get good or is it normal to just macro them

[flat river]

choose your pic

which is better

[remote bobcat]

i dont recommend macroing them together but if you are incapable of remembering to use them together then yea i suppose you can macro them together

[remote bobcat]

Clap

[flat river]

mogs look best on humans

they make mogs on human model

except demon hunter armor

[remote bobcat]

heavily disagree

[flat river]

its on nelf

[brazen veldt]

Honestly it's not the memory part its more keybinds

[remote bobcat]

Please 👏 put 👏 cooldowns 👏 on 👏 the 👏 same 👏 modifier 👏

[remote bobcat]

zero chance this is true

[brazen veldt]

Like as in same location? So not Shift 1 and then like Q for 2 CD's?

[remote bobcat]

female orc looks better, dwarf looks better, draenei looks better

like

[last sparrow]

dwarf doesnot look better

[remote bobcat]

some idiots think female elves look better (they are wrong)

[last sparrow]

human or orc for me

actually zandalari if your toes werent on display

[remote bobcat]

My CD's are shift Q shift W shift F and so on

its insanely easy to press them together

some people have cds like

roar on 2

and reck on F3

[brazen veldt]

Yeah okay see mine are mouse buttons and thats where the compliaction is coming from for me

[flat river]

list goes human > nelf > belf > velf > rat > everything else

[remote bobcat]

and ava shift W

[remote bobcat]

Weirdge

im busy clapping cheeks

[brazen veldt]

I have Rav mouse side 1 and Roar on X, but I would have Rav on Z but I have overlap complications because of Arms keybinds

I might just ditch Arms muscle memory for better placements

[tranquil jetty]

imagine unironically playing sub rogue

[flat river]

ava is shift R wdym

[tranquil jetty]

oh

[flat river]

heroic strike

[remote bobcat]

dont talk

if you're clueless

[flat river]

nuh uh

[tranquil jetty]

i only play outlaw

[south kayak]

He’s playing sod

That’s sudden death rune proc

[remote bobcat]

my guy we are in a warrior discord

who cares about rogue ?

[tranquil jetty]

i got banned from the roguecord cause i said that ion should be executed

[south kayak]

Cast Killing Spree

[remote bobcat]

deserved

ngl

[south kayak]

[tranquil jetty]

i did deserve it

[south kayak]

Tbh that’s not something you should say lol

[remote bobcat]

@flat river play with me

[flat river]

are u EU?

[remote bobcat]

yes

sod is really easy to get into

and 150% bonus exp

since everyone is at end game

[flat river]

i played sod before

[south kayak]

I played a hunter on sod but I wanna try warrior

[flat river]

i have a level 25 warlock tank

then i stopped playing

[remote bobcat]

play warrior

[flat river]

deul me in dornagal

[remote bobcat]

mate

[flat river]

if u win ill play

[remote bobcat]

sudden death proc

[flat river]

if u lose i wont

[remote bobcat]

is wings of death

[south kayak]

Interesting segue

[remote bobcat]

its so sick

[flat river]

DEUL ME

[remote bobcat]

sudden death proc execute while at full rage

[flat river]

MAK'GORAH

[remote bobcat]

oneshots

enemies

execute

HITS HARD

[flat river]

I DONT CARE

DEUL ME NOW

IF U WIN

I PLAY

IF U DONT

[flat river]

I DONT

[remote bobcat]

gala

i dont care enough to duel you to make u play

either you feel like it or you dont

its up to you

[flat river]

you gotta work for it

[iron portal]

I will duel you

[flat river]

are u EU

[iron portal]

Yes

[flat river]

come

im on RN

whats your name

and realm

[iron portal]

Razones-Silvermoon

[remote bobcat]

livestream it

[flat river]

fuck

i lost

[flat river]

how tf were u immune

[hardy bluff]

its a mindset thing

the lion doesnt take damage

[flat river]

CHEATER

[iron portal]

I stormbolted fuckin target dummy lol

[flat river]

I GOT HIM TO 0

AND HE WENT IMMUNE

[iron portal]

i mean

I cant control it

Ok

[flat river]

nah he cheating bro

[iron portal]

This one was fair

[flat river]

nope

[woven valley]

I love bulwark for world pvp

[iron portal]

lol

I just outplayed your ER

With disarm

[woven valley]

Seeing people flounder as they can’t figure out why you aren’t dying

[flat river]

no i removed it lol

with trinket

[remote bobcat]

so u come sod now?

[iron portal]

😄

Tbh i beat you twice

First one though doesnt count

That is indeed not fiar mechanic

[flat river]

i beat u first time

[iron portal]

I have no way to remove it though I didnt think it procs in duel

[flat river]

since i procced it

[flat river]

mmm

send me link to the glyphs for warrior

[iron portal]

Haha

Got him

[flat river]

technically the deal was for kronzo to win

we didnt agree that u would fight in his place

[iron portal]

Ah well

Then as gentleman

I will say we are equal

And you are not bound by deal to make any decision

[flat river]

@remote bobcat send me the link to the glyphs

[remote bobcat]

glyphs?

oh u mean runes

just hop on

i will show u

u can buy them now

[iron portal]

But im keeping this for my personal archive btw

[remote bobcat]

@flat river whats ur bnet

[flat river]

ill DM u

[eternal sundial]

Gandalf#25446

[remote bobcat]

mate

[warm crag]

adding ty

[undone flower]

A new friend

[clever belfry]

gandalf < andalf

[sudden tusk]

Philliam

[remote bobcat]

omg hiii madox big fan of the target cap

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-gif-18148683

me when target cap

[wheat lantern]

seems pretty close , but what yall rockin , echoing void or void ritual

[remote bobcat]

void rit

[inner zinc]

void rizz

[undone flower]

It took me 15 min

[red berry]

echoing void seesms

[verbal shale]

Damn just watched mad ox video on the fury warrior buff he broke it down enough to make me realise it’s a weak buff and odyns fury still probably not worth taking 🥲

[remote bobcat]

@sudden tusk mentioned

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pillow-bite-angry-angry-cat-gif-25541136

[modest condor]

did you mention the seismic bug in the video?

[sudden tusk]

no

[modest condor]

smh

[remote bobcat]

bro

[sudden tusk]

fury is over performing rn

[remote bobcat]

kekW

[sudden tusk]

and we still suck

lmao

[remote bobcat]

the TLDR of seismic is that we get 70% instead of 30% no?

[modest condor]

yes

that's not just the tldr that's literally it

[verbal shale]

Haha your the man for breaking it down for us simps 🤣

[remote bobcat]

+1 madox for yellow

say it with me

for

yellow

👏

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/can-we-tempt-you-can-i-tempt-you-tempt-cat-cat-gif-cat-gif-15432872057513694522

[remote bobcat]

madox whats ur fav cheese

[undone flower]

Im listening

[sudden tusk]

hmm

ngl might be like a ricotta cheese in lasagna

[undone flower]

https://tenor.com/view/ponke-ponkesol-solana-monke-monkey-gif-9277508150881632018

[remote bobcat]

mild cheese > salty cheese

[plush zephyr]

Feta

[remote bobcat]

fk no

[plush zephyr]

Tbh the only cheese I’ve had that I hated was brie

[undone flower]

i had to google wtf it is

[remote bobcat]

mild is a descriptive word for taste

mild is the opposite of strong taste

[burnt kelp]

bro likes weak cheese, smh

[undone flower]

it's more i never considered ppl were dividing cheese other than soft/hard etc

i like pavé d'affinois and reblochon btw

[plush zephyr]

Kinda like how there’s dry wine but it’s a liquid

Riesling is the way to go

[undone flower]

i don't like white wine tbf

(riesling come from where i live)

there is also the GEWÜRZTRAMINER, you might like (it can be really sweet tho)

[honest sundial]

is that all specs or just fury

[flat river]

LMAOOO

Solo leveling got anime of the year

[earnest canyon]

What is solo levelling about?

[summer quail]

story is pretty bad. just turn off brain and enjoy the action

[thorny peak]

got all my 12s got called good by a warlock... had to deal with 7 mechagons and crazy demon hunter tanks it was a day

[inner zinc]

so basically we cooked if blizz decides to fix it

[remote bobcat]

if

they are doing it

[summer quail]

i wonder if slayer would be the play if they fix it. it's only bugged for tc/tb

[modest condor]

just mountain thane afaik

[honest sundial]

thank you

there is always a reason to nerf fury
it's doing too much dmg - nerf it
it's doing too little damage - nerf it

no difference at all

[vast haven]

I recently read that smf daggers isn’t a meme but I cant find much on it. I want to play smf knowing Im taking a 5-10% dps loss, does playing daggers make it worse?

[remote bobcat]

I mean you either play for fun and theme or you play for competitive value

[modest condor]

smf daggers is definitely a meme

[vast haven]

I have never raided mythic, nor have any intentions to do so.. but for normal/heroic, I do like to try to be in the top 10 for the particular boss fight. Is that expecting too much

Ahh crap

Glad Ive been working towards getting a second dagger 😆

[chilly fractal]

I know! We should at least run Golden Knuckles /s

[silk wharf]

There are str daggers? Not only is smf just less giving up 10k str seems a little overboard.

[tepid cedar]

Don’t lie to them. It’s how we do 30 mil pulls

[oblique trail]

There aren't str daggers no

[tepid cedar]

.<

[vast haven]

I wish for new players to fury that there was more truthful context and not as much sarcasm

I thought it was an alternative, even asked directly, and was told it was

[dense elbow]

Banezi trying to hide the fact that str daggers are OP again?

Classic skyhold

[tepid cedar]

If ppl found out they would nerf us

[tepid cedar]

No smf is not a meme build but a build to have fun and enjoy

[mild ravine]

If you care about doing the most DMG you can, you won't play smf. If that's not a concern, knock yourself out.

[opal monolith]

you see guys we might not bring the most dps but we bring the aura to the party

high test fury gaming

[dense elbow]

Pretty sure they just know we hurting and as such give us random compliments to make our day less gloomy

[opal monolith]

dont give me those reality checks i just had a little dopamine spike because compliment

[dense elbow]

Didn't say it wasn't a true compliment

[opal monolith]

[tepid cedar]

lol this is very true

Was told the other day I did great damage for a fury warrior and they felt bad 😂😂😂😂

[thorny peak]

:*(

[earnest shuttle]

question, did something happened to the "use" best in slots macro?

when I try to run it, it doesn't use it

I have it like this:

/cast Blood Fury
/use House of Cards
/use [combat] Best-in-Slots

so basically is to use either house of cards or best in slots with cds

[oblique trail]

Change it from Best-in-Slots to just 16 (or 17 if it's in your offhand)

[earnest shuttle]

I did, still doesn't work

[oblique trail]

But either way it should never work like that, because it'll keep trying to use the trinket instead

It reads top to bottom, and wont go past the House of Cards line if you have it equipped

[earnest shuttle]

I've removed it from the macro and just left recklessness/avatar and use of 16

and still, not working, not sure why

[oblique trail]

And you're sure you have BiS in your mainhand if you've put it to 16

[silk wharf]

Two things that sound so silly but could help here:
Sometimes macros get a space input into them and just stop working. You can try remaking the macro, from scratch (don't use the existing macro)
And second, you are obviously in combat when trying to use the macro. (because it has the combat clause)

[earnest shuttle]

yeh...seems like I will have to do that, thanks

yeah, it used to work before but broke when I changed from slayer to MT

[silk wharf]

Also, in this case, if you didn't know. Trinkets and BiS share a small internal cooldown so they cannot be used together at the same time.

[earnest shuttle]

and yeah, I did re-enter the macro on my keybinds

I know that, this macro is to use cds with either house of cards OR BiS

I know the 20-sec delay

[broken kiln]

does anybody else use SMF?

[earnest shuttle]

I re-did the macro, it works now

[silk wharf]

Huzzah!

Who knows for sure. An errant invisible space has borked so many macros over my time in wow I just toss it out there as a possible macro solution.

It's essentially the equivalent of turning a macro off and on again.

[vast haven]

I do but it’s understood that your dmg will suffer.

[dense fulcrum]

Pog bottom B tier https://prnt.sc/wdiCHmpFVFQs

that's a W

[broken kiln]

About how much of a loss is it? And can you link your build?

[fiery edge]

A tier in season 3

[lone zinc]

fury buffs!!! 😄

[chilly fractal]

ight time to do this 5 mask for the memes

[noble elm]

How is the bm and sv only 3090

That can’t be right

Oh that’s all keys

[fiery edge]

oh damn enhance shammy doing good so far

[gleaming siren]

Your life becomes better when you stop looking at dogwater data aggregation sites

[smoky vale]

nah

[unreal onyx]

Where's that from? Also tierlists kek

[fiery edge]

loboz S tier no sweat

[chilly fractal]

EZ game

[muted pulsar]

y is rallying cry so dogshit

[fiery edge]

https://tenor.com/view/trash-gif-10264089649545211664

[silk wharf]

Because, like a lot of warrior things, it was once almost good and got nerfed to the ground.

Amz, prevents 20% of a huge magic hit to the entire raid. Totally good. Rally giving 15% hp has to go.

[fading sky]

Tbh both hunter specs do more.dmg

[toxic pivot]

Will we run Odyns Fury after next update?

[fading sky]

No

Or well i read it as a 1.5st loss for mby 1.5aoe gain in some cases

%

[smoky vale]

gn madox :3

@sudden tusk

[gleaming siren]

"Almost good" and comparing it to a spell that hasn't even come close to smelling the same air as Rally since Nathria is crazy

[sudden tusk]

not bedge but gonna try to rat my rogue into a keyge

[smoky vale]

i can run it

@junior gale awkae?

[sudden tusk]

ohgood lord

[silk wharf]

I'm looking now but can you cite a source that amz no longer applies its full prevention % amount to a hit that would exceed its absorbtion amount?

[gleaming siren]

Checking logs?

It's been this way forever

it does it person by person

as soon as the absorb runs out it stops doing anything

I.e. half your raid doesnt benefit from it

on any relevant size hit

[compact siren]

This capy boy be spittin

[silk wharf]

On a simultaneous hit? It literally wasn't that way and why it was so powerful.

[compact knot]

it was so strong in early DF

if i remember correctly

Also the cata version of it is stupid lmao, my guild runs 4 arms warriors and we have rally up for such a long time it lets us just sit in mechanics as a raid and heal through it.

now the retail version is just so awful, does very little, most fights im just using it to save someone i see that gets low to try and save them so a healer can heal them in time

[gleaming siren]

Rally is still very strong honestly

The content is just so weak by the time most guilds prog it that it doesn't help as much

[compact knot]

i mean

surely amz currently is just a mile better than rally

[smoky vale]

nah

[compact knot]

20% dr and absorbs like 20m damage

[unreal onyx]

Just use SR

[compact knot]

ig rally gives like 1-1.5m hp to everyone in your raid

[gleaming siren]

It is not even close

especially DPS AMZ

[compact knot]

there is not a single person in this game that uses SR more than me in raid

[unreal onyx]

I use it almost on cd

[gleaming siren]

I have SR macro'd to every ability in the game this is impossible

[compact knot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/W8Dmcgp2hCTYnjqG?fight=61&type=casts&source=5

[unreal onyx]

Can you see how much dmg you mitigated with sr in logs?

[compact knot]

uhh

yeah hold up i know a way

[compact knot]

yeah that

[unreal onyx]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tFKw8yrDCTQZmqMG?fight=33&type=casts&source=13

Get CPMd

[gleaming siren]

german is so unserious

Toben

Toben or not Toben

[compact knot]

avatar is just avatar

[unreal onyx]

Torben

[compact knot]

kinda crazy how close arms apm is to fury apm

dont count exhilirating blows

[unreal onyx]

Sprich Deutsch

[muted pulsar]

Im just switching to warrior this patch fury is nice but the utility is kinda meh but the CC is pretty nice

[muted meteor]

Random question not related to fury but where do i look for a guild i want to get into mythic raid... never looked for a guild kinda looking for a bit of guidance to find smthng 🙂

[oblique trail]

Wowprogress and/or Raider.io

[muted meteor]

Will check it out 🙂 thx

[gleaming siren]

technically also Warcraftlogs

though I'm not really a fan of their UX for it

[oblique trail]

Yes but no self-respecting individual will use that

I don't think it's nearly as developed or handy as the two other options

[gleaming siren]

Banezi would use it

[oblique trail]

True for I do not respect myself or my time

[muted meteor]

And like do i look for smthing and apply or would i just put myself up for looking for guild or smthng?

[oblique trail]

Both

[gleaming siren]

if you dont know people and you have no credentials

I would start applying to guilds

[muted meteor]

I got nothing 😂

[gleaming siren]

but you might have some people hitting you up if you set yourself looking for guild on Wowprogress/raiderio

[oblique trail]

Your best bet is to setup your own application for people to find you, in case some would be interested, otherwise just send rapid fire applications to guilds that fit you

It's not unusual for people to apply to multiple places, and then if a few message back, to then talk and pick the place that suits you the most

[gleaming siren]

Speaking from very recent experience

very much expected and (by semi-competent guilds) respected

[muted meteor]

Tysm 🙂

[unreal onyx]

When I was looking for a guild in late SL I used wowprogress, just set myself as looking for raid and got like 7 "applications" in 3 days

I didnt go out towards any, they messaged me

[gleaming siren]

Depends on where you're at too

[compact knot]

@muted meteor i watched a video today of a guy going through the same thing as you, was a pretty interesting video for me to watch ngl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKPweYtoUN0

[gleaming siren]

I watched that

[compact knot]

also ended in a pretty wholesome way

[unreal onyx]

I saw that vid too

[gleaming siren]

crazy guild

[muted meteor]

Ayy ill have a look!

[unreal onyx]

But he's going for top100 NA and is a pretty high m+ player iirc

[gleaming siren]

What he had is very much not a normal experience

imo

but it's interesting

[oblique trail]

Top 100 NA (WR approx 500)

[unreal onyx]

Cant believe WR500 guilds have that much "mandatory" guild stuff to do

6/7d a week dedicated to wow

[gleaming siren]

They generally dont

Which is why I'm saying definitely not normal

[compact knot]

to be fair the video was posted and they got wr300

this tier they did worse though

[unreal onyx]

Even for WR500 that much effort seems excessive

[compact knot]

its crazy they raid that much though

[unreal onyx]

But im also a casual CE raider

[remote bobcat]

my group made wr550 or something and we do 7hrs of raid

and we dont have prodigies

so idk man

[gleaming siren]

Levels

but I mean

not everyone can prog like that

Skill diff is crazy

[remote bobcat]

we werent particularly good either

lol

we had a rough tier

[gleaming siren]

Yea I mean

my old guild had a pretty bad tier

we ended WR 150 then exploded

kabumm

[unreal onyx]

F

[gleaming siren]

And now I'll raid uhh

around twice as much

[compact knot]

damn that guy is like crazy good at mythic+

rank 3 assass

[remote bobcat]

heres whats funny

i was talking to my friend

co-watching the video on stream

he's an assa main

he was flaming the guy for his misplays perma

in all the dungeon footage

absolute_cinema

[unreal onyx]

Sounds like cope

Unless your friend is R2 or R1

[remote bobcat]

something something why deathmark and then switch targeet

i dont play assa so idk

or sub?

[compact knot]

I mean i watched noxiv in raid and experienced the same thing

[remote bobcat]

dont remember

[compact knot]

which video did you watch

[remote bobcat]

.

or no

part 2

sry

[compact knot]

oh that one?

[remote bobcat]

part 2

[gleaming siren]

That is part 2

it's renamed

[remote bobcat]

wait he changed the title

yea

[gleaming siren]

But let's be real there's a lot more to being good than pressing buttons

Which doesn't mean it's not important

[remote bobcat]

i mean yea of course

[compact knot]

i dont think he was the greatest player in season 1, he improved a lot since though

[remote bobcat]

high keys is more about surviving while being good on dam, not exclusively being good on dam

[compact knot]

so its footage of him not really knowing what he was doing, also i dont think there was any high key dungeons showcased in that video

the highest key i saw was a +7

ok there is a 18 dawnbreaker i lied

[remote bobcat]

yea

this part

with dawn 18

my lad was all like

why is he switching target after applying death mark

or sum

really funny

[unreal onyx]

I also think dividing the raid comp from 40% performance to 60% social seems not really realistic for tryhard guilds

But I never was in one so idk

I would guess like 75% performance 25% social, you wanna prog and not find your bff, no?

As long as everyone presses their buttons correct

[oblique trail]

Depends entirely on the guild

Some care for you being more than just a quiet raid logger

Others only care if you show up consistently and play somewhat humanoid, relatively speaking

[sour tundra]

Just saw a post from someone saying "if target caps are so bad" then why is fury timing +20 mythic + key

[oblique trail]

I've failed a trial once because I didn't follow the social requirement from the guild

[sour tundra]

Unreal how braindead people are

[unreal onyx]

If I was a tryhard raidlead I would not mind having ppl raidlog, do their keys however and just perform well, then logging off

Prog is prog, no matter how you achieve it

But I also get the point of not only having muted names in a call for 3h straight

[remote bobcat]

imma be real

if your raider is a raidlogger

and ur trying to be a motivated high ranking tryharding guild

[gleaming siren]

Trial failer

[remote bobcat]

replace him

asap

[oblique trail]

hm

So I should've been replaced in Sabotage

Unlagi

[remote bobcat]

no

because you put in the effort

[gleaming siren]

Yes

[remote bobcat]

outside of logging into wow

[gleaming siren]

What is a raidlogger in your opinion

[remote bobcat]

obviously different

[gleaming siren]

Cause I'm a raidlogger

[remote bobcat]

A raidlogger is someone who doesnt get involved with the game at all unless it's for the raid or the most basic prep before raid, aka weekly keys

[oblique trail]

So me

[unreal onyx]

4 10s per week and log in for raid is all I do nowadays

[remote bobcat]

no not you

banezi you're literally talking in a wow related discord rn

[oblique trail]

I certainly did not bother with m+ outside of my weekly keys, and I otherwise only logged in to raid

[gleaming siren]

Idk I do like 24 keys per week but aside from that I basically only log in to raid

[remote bobcat]

did you grind gear beginning of season?

[gleaming siren]

Logged out

Huh

[oblique trail]

That is certainly a mentality

[gleaming siren]

You're speaking about literal 0-effort gamers

[remote bobcat]

you might not be logged into the game but ur doing something related to the game

[gleaming siren]

Instead of raidloggers

[remote bobcat]

a raidlogger is a 0 effort gamer to me

[lost saffron]

I mean

if you do the required things

thats enough

[unreal onyx]

Do weekly keys, log in for raid is perfectly fine to me

[lost saffron]

Yeh

[unreal onyx]

"You better be renown 20 before season starts to show you care about our prog" - WR700 ahh statement

[remote bobcat]

idk i think that IF you are going for a strong rank

dont slack

[lost saffron]

What does that have to do with slacking

when you do what your guild requires

[unreal onyx]

I'd argue the majority of higher-end raiders does nothing besides weekly keys and log in for raid at some point

[fading sky]

Time constraints are true for many raiders

[lost saffron]

Weekly keys take like

3 hours

over the whole week

at this point

[fading sky]

Which raid loggers do?

[unreal onyx]

What else are you supposed to do to prep tho

[lost saffron]

I mean at a certain rank you need to do raid prep

but thats outside of the game anyways

[fading sky]

As in?

Guides? Plannin?

[lost saffron]

What guides

[unreal onyx]

Watch a 10-min dratnos guide

[oblique trail]

Spend a bit of free time looking up a fight and what your class does on it, and the general need-to-know knowledge of it

[lost saffron]

Schmidi raids at a rank where there is no dratnos guide when he reaches the bosses

[remote bobcat]

there isn't necessarily more raid prep, it's just that you'd much rather want a raider who's actively involving himself in the game instead of someone who brushes off the rust every 3 days or whatever

[oblique trail]

I don't think anyone expects everyone to know the entire fight the moment you get there, but try to be in the know

[lost saffron]

I mean

yeah

[fading sky]

I think thats a minimum for every1 🤣

[oblique trail]

It really isn't

[fading sky]

Also i try to plan my mythic keys to align for raid dayd

[lost saffron]

I think you and banezi consider being in the know a different thing

[fading sky]

So i brush of rust

[lost saffron]

watching a dratnos guide is not being in the know

[fading sky]

I usually watch timers. Mechanics, logs i can find

[lost saffron]

Most people dont do that

[fading sky]

But i raid later so that shit is available for little effort

It takes like 10m

[unreal onyx]

I look at lorrgs the day of a new boss to see if I hold CDs somewhere, thats all I need to know for me

[lost saffron]

Then even less people in your guild will do that

Yeah thats not really the important thing if you go for a strong rank

[fading sky]

Oh i know

[remote bobcat]

yea but thats also kind of a skill in its own right

[lost saffron]

if you raid at a really strong rank thats like the basics of the basics

[remote bobcat]

which you dont really find in higher ranking guilds

in my group there are people who certainly arent in the know

[fading sky]

Because its planned for ya

[unreal onyx]

RL team prepares setup/assigns, I look at it 15min before raid and im good

[remote bobcat]

but its different the higher you go obviously

[lost saffron]

In my current guild i definitely notice a difference

I went from r15 -> about 200

And there is a huge difference

[remote bobcat]

i imagine wr200 has a bunch of dads

[lost saffron]

my guild is mainly people not wanting to raid more than 2 days

and not have alts etc.

because they all prefer to play other games as well

[unreal onyx]

I feel like WR100-200 has the sweatiest tryhards

[lost saffron]

The tryhards that try at the wrong things yes

[unreal onyx]

Too bad to be top10, too proud to be casual

[lost saffron]

Idk, there is also a difference in how fast people pick up things

[unreal onyx]

Mentality

[lost saffron]

That is a great meme

shame its not true sadly

[unreal onyx]

In what way

[lost saffron]

The middle guy says hes doing those things but cant pull them off

the right guy does them but says hes just pressing buttons

[fading sky]

When juggernaut stacks drop of as arms just b4 execute

Im middle guy🤣

Or u get a cs parry on opener

[lost saffron]

idk you still get a good parse

cs cant be parried anymore

[fading sky]

I know but i feel like that guy

[lost saffron]

see this what i mean

😛

This is kinda the difference

[fading sky]

Isnt it wb?

[lost saffron]

Its good that you know

But most people think they are good but dont know anything

[fading sky]

In gen though kill timers matter

So who u play with matters🤣

[lost saffron]

Yes it does matter in getting you a 99/100 between you getting a 97 or a 96

not more

[unreal onyx]

Timers and mechanics you get account for 50% of your log imo

[lost saffron]

They really dont

xD

[oblique trail]

Getting a bad sprocketmonger mine set didn't destroy your entire parse

[remote bobcat]

I still remember playing an arguably perfect sikran according to everything i know about it and i got a 97, one ID later i played pretty much identically strong and it was rank 1

[fading sky]

Id say from 90+ it matters

[remote bobcat]

procs and fight length do alot

aint gon lie

[fading sky]

Gettin an 80+ is u

[lost saffron]

It definitely makesi t worse

[unreal onyx]

Surely me having to soak the far mines at sprocket only influenced my log by 3

[lost saffron]

but it doesnt make a difference of 20%

[unreal onyx]

Or rolling twice on stix

[lost saffron]

Rolling twice on stix is on you

[fading sky]

Stix is not a fight id measurw though

[lost saffron]

it means people in your group messed up

or rather, its on your group

not you directly

[unreal onyx]

Getting ice thing on mugzee

[oblique trail]

What does that matter

[unreal onyx]

Downtime

[oblique trail]

Unless the boss is horrendously tanked, it will not make you lose uptime

[unreal onyx]

How are you supposed to hit the boss when hiding behind a wall

[fading sky]

Aint there yet. But i promise if ingey there

Leap late

[remote bobcat]

every now and then i got the opposite side arrow hiding spot assigned, i assume due to multiple melees but unsure

[oblique trail]

You hit the boss because the tanks drag the boss to the wall

And past it

So the melee can still hit it

[fading sky]

Wtf thats sick tanks

[remote bobcat]

thats normal

not doing it is grief

[oblique trail]

That's called having a tank that is able to have slightly more brain activity than 1 brain cell at a time

[unreal onyx]

How, the tank frontal leaves pools

[remote bobcat]

you have 2 tanks mate

frontal first, then arrow after

[unreal onyx]

Yes

[remote bobcat]

frontal happens, other tank taunts

arrows

tank moves mugzee to metal side prison where arrow targets hide

where problem

[unreal onyx]

1st set of arrows

One prison right, one left

[remote bobcat]

yea

[unreal onyx]

Boss between

[remote bobcat]

yes

[unreal onyx]

Tank frontal towards wall

[remote bobcat]

yes

[unreal onyx]

Leaves pool

[remote bobcat]

yup

[oblique trail]

If tanked correctly, through all of this you can maintain uptime

[unreal onyx]

Is the tank supposed to stand in the pool?

[remote bobcat]

what?

the boss isnt staying in the middle mate

during arrows the boss moves

with the arrow targets

[unreal onyx]

You have 4 targets

But only 2 on each side

[oblique trail]

Not once in all our Mugzee pulls were I ever assigned the far jail

[remote bobcat]

https://youtu.be/MLBSkxbJLnw?t=103

[unreal onyx]

So if you're right side it's gg

[remote bobcat]

watch.

ranges get assigned opposite side

melees get assigned metal side

[unreal onyx]

Is it always 2 ranged 2 melee?

[remote bobcat]

no

sometimes unlucky things happen

i was assigned the opposite side like once every 30 pulls

and i think i was lowest in the list

thats negligible

[unreal onyx]

I got it like every 5th or something

[remote bobcat]

maybe your raidlead didnt understand it

to be fair this is something that didnt work properly for my group so i actively communicated it with both tanks to make sure we really got the arrow uptime movement down

[unreal onyx]

We're on prog on mugzee rn, hopefully killing it today

So idk how much "routine" it takes, but I definetly have downtime when I get arrow

[remote bobcat]

if u get arrow you shouldnt have downtime

mugzee shouldnt be on the add while it has a shield up

mugzee only needs to hug the add during the cast/while shield is down

mugzee should be on the arrow target

[unreal onyx]

Whenever arrows come tanks take him on the add, slightly behind it to the left

[remote bobcat]

should look like this kinda

this is right as the arrows are preparing to shoot

mugzee has no business standing on top of the add long before the frontal comes out

[sudden tusk]

ty for da help mr @smoky vale

have good gn

[smoky vale]

gn

i need a big key sesh with xeno

but that guys schedule is just fucked

[unreal onyx]

Yea ok I get it, our prisons are too close to the wall I think

[remote bobcat]

a lot of people hide in that very corner towards the wall but that is only really necessary if you didnt pre-step onto the fight

maybe you have a vod of your pulls to look over it

peepoCute

[unreal onyx]

I gotta check, our RL streams he might have a vod

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2464691447

Does that work?

I would've checked for a specific pull but im at work on my phone

[remote bobcat]

all good i'll have a look

damn i dislike your raidleads calls

yea look where mugzee is being tanked - your tanks are positioning mug directly on top of the add, making it dangerous for arrow targets to reliably hit him

the tanks should move him more towards the top of this POV here, closer towards the metal wall

and then once arrows are done, they can easily position him for the frontal and add cleave

@unreal onyx

[unreal onyx]

Yea I see. I thought we did it correctly thats why I was confused on how to hit him during arrows

Ty

[remote bobcat]

but also i dislike how your raidlead (or someone else) isnt counting down for the last person to move over. It's all up to the last person to do it - highly dangerous

could cause wipes

might be something to mention

[unreal onyx]

Yea the call is "go over" abd thats it

The last person is dedicated to be the last tho, so he always has that role

[remote bobcat]

yea thats normal

its just that imo there should be a countdown for that last person

so he doesnt have to focus on 3 things or w/e

avoids mistakes

that might become relevant especially during reclears

havent done the fight in a while > oops

[eternal sundial]

It's linked to his thing idk man

[remote bobcat]

play warrior

[iron portal]

Daily reminder that @flat river lost duel to me

[flat river]

Bro you cheated

💀

I technically won

[golden hare]

🤓 ☝️

[flat river]

I got him to 1 HP and he procced cheat death

And was immune for 10 seconds

[oblique trail]

[golden hare]

your honor,
clever use of game mechanics

[golden hare]

[remote bobcat]

i was there

[flat river]

no

[remote bobcat]

yes i was

[flat river]

no

[remote bobcat]

he screenshared it to me

i was

[flat river]

nuh uh

fake news

[remote bobcat]

yuh uh

oh ?

are u on mugzee yet

[flat river]

nuh uh

xd

[remote bobcat]

x.x

[indigo sable]

Hey guys I currently main a lock , used to main rogue and war . Was wondering is warrior an easy class to parse good with ? I really enjoy ranged but I feel I was just a better melee player and come to the conclusion I enjoy being good more than anything else

Just wanna have nice parses lol

[sour frigate]

Ehm

If u want good parses u gotta git gud

Works for every spec

[indigo sable]

Yeah ofcourse I understand that I’m talking more about doing damage and getting the dps out

[sour frigate]

I think fury is pretty simple

More complicated than it was in df but still

[indigo sable]

Yeah currently I play all lock specs depending on fights , lock also seems so bad in m+

[sour frigate]

Demo and destro perform well from what ive seen

[iron portal]

I have screenshot of TWO duels i won

Explain that

[eternal sundial]

bro i dont have a sub or game install

[eternal sundial]

pwned

[rain crag]

Sanity check me... Items on this side are bis PRE Gally, right?

[remote bobcat]

in heroic fury is hella simple to farm 95+ logs on, mythic raiding is a bit more dificult. But you do have to actually learn and understand the spec to perform well, just like any other spec in the game

[remote bobcat]

yea logical mistake was made here

[rain crag]

Awesome, thanks 👌

[golden hare]

🎦

[flat river]

cheater in both

[iron portal]

How was second one cheating

[flat river]

you won

[iron portal]

Now you just coping

[flat river]

thats cheating

[iron portal]

Hahaha

Fair

[gleaming siren]

Stronkmom

[flat river]

yes

@gleaming siren what

[split crater]

hey guys, how much crit should I have as fury? im usually seeing almost none crit, around 10-11%, is that right?

[gleaming siren]

Did you do 5 mask

[flat river]

nope

[gleaming siren]

Pathéthique

[flat river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807809192537882647/1314343015258656829/togif-1.gif

[gleaming siren]

@smoky vale i will stop saying you're galastronk if you do 5 mask

[flat river]

if i DO 5 mask?

aight im not going to do it

[oblique trail]

did you do 7 mask?

[flat river]

dayum

got u there

[gleaming siren]

8mask lined up

[karmic fiber]

Does the extra bloodthirsts from bladestorm go to the immune ads on mugzee mythic if you are close to them?

[pure breach]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-cute-cat-gif-15060173

[remote bobcat]

why are you bladestorming while the shielded adds are on top of mugzee? :)

[hardy bluff]

only if you target them

[karmic fiber]

Im just asking if it goes or not, why would you not bladestorm if its off cd?

[karmic fiber]

Ty

[hardy bluff]

it prefers your target if its in range

[karmic fiber]

So it doesnt randomly send a few if you only target mugzee yeah?

[remote bobcat]

mugzee only ever stands on top of the shielded add if hes about to use his frontal which breaks the shield, so you're naturally supposed to hold bladestorm for a few seconds such that you can gain extra bladestorm value

[remote bobcat]

thats how unhinged is supposed to work ye

[karmic fiber]

With current gear those ads getnpopped in 5 seconds

Id rather not hold my bladestorm for any amount of time when the ad damage is not relevant atnall

[upper mica]

is it worth stacking BT crit to 100% before using again or do we still go ramp into RB into BT?

or should i spam ramp / RB until 100% crit and then BT

[remote bobcat]

the ST you gain by doing that is ST someone else loses by going on the adds

except warlock

[karmic fiber]

No one goes on ada lol

They just die from cleave

[remote bobcat]

yea

cleave

not every class has sweeping strikes

or havoc

[karmic fiber]

Brother you need to hold bs for 5 or kore seconds sometimes

[remote bobcat]

that auto cleaves

[karmic fiber]

Maybe 10, depending on procs

They die to natural cleave, no one turns to them, there is no dps loss lol

[remote bobcat]

you start clicking BT over RB whenever the BT crit chance is above 80%

[stone merlin]

As a fury main I tried out frost death knight and wow. Feels pretty similar? I like it alot too

[remote bobcat]

there's always a dip in dps to mugzee whenever the add shield gets popped, you're coping out of your mind

check your logs

[upper mica]

so just avoid BT unless its filler or above 80%?

[remote bobcat]

yea or 6+ targets

or VC range

[karmic fiber]

You sre coping when you thibk passive cleave classes cant kill ads with this gear level and rep buff

[upper mica]

doing sprocket.. ST lol

[remote bobcat]

then think about VC range

[remote bobcat]

shrug

[upper mica]

yeah so past 35% BT takes prio even without the crit

[remote bobcat]

VC range changes it to like 40% or smth crit to prio BT over RB i think but that's not something you need to think about because you hit that shit due to BT's cooldown giving you chances to RB anyway

[upper mica]

aaa makes sense.. hit the proc RB and then back into BT

[remote bobcat]

we arent playing opportunist so the proc RB isnt that relevant

it's just..filler RB

cuz we're in VC range

Ok

[upper mica]

hahaha spam all the BT and RB filler

occasional ramp

[remote bobcat]

rampage at 100 rage

yeppers

[upper mica]

otherwise hold to 80% and hit BT

or BT as filler and rinse repeat

[remote bobcat]

I mean BT usage is not that big of a deal

if you dont want to think about it just grab the weakaura

remove the % feature

and just click BT when it lights up

or as filler

Shrug

[upper mica]

im used to doing the ramp RB BT rinse repeat

just wanted to see if that was still the go to or i should be holding

[remote bobcat]

well dont do that

shit habit